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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/24/this-kiss-a-match-made-in-washington-update/#comment-348280</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-348258&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;A.Citizen @ 107&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Still a lot of folks living in a dream world about what the ‘Democrat’ Party as exemplified by &lt;a href=&quot;http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/oakland/archives/2006/07/arrogance_entitlem_1.html&quot;&gt;The Boxer Short&lt;/a&gt;, Kerry, Schumer, Emmanuel and all the rest of the DCCC crowd are all about. They &lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;luvs&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/b&gt; them some ‘Liarmann’…they hate the netroots. Whoops, almost fergot ‘Big Dog’ and his bitch; they campaigned fer ‘Rape Gurney’ Joe did they not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you see them up in CT campaigning for the Democratic Party nominee?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nope.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And you ain’t gonna neither.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s why I wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/oakland/archives/2006/05/why_we_must_move_a.html&quot;&gt;‘Why we must move ahead.’&lt;/a&gt; months ago.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where you’all been.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s a lotta trash in the Democratic Party we gotta throw out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope we start with ‘Liarmann’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whether we do or we don’t I say the trash removal process needs to start Nov 8.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;according the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/09/28/kerry_to_campaign_for_lamont_in_connecticut_senate_race/&quot;&gt;boston globe&lt;/a&gt; from last month, kerry will be in ct tommorrow for ned.  credit where credit is due.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-348258"><em>A.Citizen @ 107</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Still a lot of folks living in a dream world about what the ‘Democrat’ Party as exemplified by <a href="http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/oakland/archives/2006/07/arrogance_entitlem_1.html">The Boxer Short</a>, Kerry, Schumer, Emmanuel and all the rest of the DCCC crowd are all about. They <b><em>luvs</em></b> them some ‘Liarmann’…they hate the netroots. Whoops, almost fergot ‘Big Dog’ and his bitch; they campaigned fer ‘Rape Gurney’ Joe did they not.</p>
<p>Do you see them up in CT campaigning for the Democratic Party nominee?</p>
<p>Nope.</p>
<p>And you ain’t gonna neither.</p>
<p>That’s why I wrote <a href="http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/oakland/archives/2006/05/why_we_must_move_a.html">‘Why we must move ahead.’</a> months ago.</p>
<p>Where you’all been.</p>
<p>There’s a lotta trash in the Democratic Party we gotta throw out.</p>
<p>I hope we start with ‘Liarmann’.</p>
<p>Whether we do or we don’t I say the trash removal process needs to start Nov 8.</p>
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<p>according the <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/09/28/kerry_to_campaign_for_lamont_in_connecticut_senate_race/">boston globe</a> from last month, kerry will be in ct tommorrow for ned.  credit where credit is due.</p>
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		<title>By: A.Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Still a lot of folks living in a dream world about what the ‘Democrat’ Party as exemplified by &lt;a href=&quot;http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/oakland/archives/2006/07/arrogance_entitlem_1.html&quot;&gt;The Boxer Short&lt;/a&gt;, Kerry, Schumer, Emmanuel and all the rest of the DCCC crowd are all about. They &lt;b&gt;&lt;em&gt;luvs&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/b&gt; them some ‘Liarmann’…they hate the netroots. Whoops, almost fergot ‘Big Dog’ and his bitch; they campaigned fer ‘Rape Gurney’ Joe did they not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you see them up in CT campaigning for the Democratic Party nominee?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nope.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And you ain’t gonna neither.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s why I wrote &lt;a href=&quot;http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/oakland/archives/2006/05/why_we_must_move_a.html&quot;&gt;‘Why we must move ahead.’&lt;/a&gt; months ago.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where you’all been.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s a lotta trash in the Democratic Party we gotta throw out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope we start with ‘Liarmann’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whether we do or we don’t I say the trash removal process needs to start Nov 8.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still a lot of folks living in a dream world about what the ‘Democrat’ Party as exemplified by <a href="http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/oakland/archives/2006/07/arrogance_entitlem_1.html">The Boxer Short</a>, Kerry, Schumer, Emmanuel and all the rest of the DCCC crowd are all about. They <b><em>luvs</em></b> them some ‘Liarmann’…they hate the netroots. Whoops, almost fergot ‘Big Dog’ and his bitch; they campaigned fer ‘Rape Gurney’ Joe did they not.</p>
<p>Do you see them up in CT campaigning for the Democratic Party nominee?</p>
<p>Nope.</p>
<p>And you ain’t gonna neither.</p>
<p>That’s why I wrote <a href="http://drinkingliberally.org/blogs/oakland/archives/2006/05/why_we_must_move_a.html">‘Why we must move ahead.’</a> months ago.</p>
<p>Where you’all been.</p>
<p>There’s a lotta trash in the Democratic Party we gotta throw out.</p>
<p>I hope we start with ‘Liarmann’.</p>
<p>Whether we do or we don’t I say the trash removal process needs to start Nov 8.</p>
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		<title>By: klyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>klyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-348009&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Biggus Diggus @ 16 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Richard Nixon means nothing to today’s voters.  Many of them weren’t even around when he was president.  Move on and nail Joe on being Joe.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You’re wrong I couldn’t even vote when Tricky Dick was prez and I remember him and his gang. The fact that a couple of his minions the vile liddy and the faux christian colson are still around and stalwarts of the rethug party is evidence that nixon wasn’t that long ago.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p>Richard Nixon means nothing to today’s voters.  Many of them weren’t even around when he was president.  Move on and nail Joe on being Joe.</p>
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<p>You’re wrong I couldn’t even vote when Tricky Dick was prez and I remember him and his gang. The fact that a couple of his minions the vile liddy and the faux christian colson are still around and stalwarts of the rethug party is evidence that nixon wasn’t that long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Blank Kludge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blank Kludge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’d hazard some O’Brien staff, including perhaps phone operators.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-348138&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;MarkusQ @ 103&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Pop quiz…anybody remember the name of the woman who’s office was bugged in the bungled burglary?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i fail…. but, i’m curious - will you tell me the answer?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-348138"><em>MarkusQ @ 103</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Pop quiz…anybody remember the name of the woman who’s office was bugged in the bungled burglary?</p>
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<p>i fail…. but, i’m curious &#8211; will you tell me the answer?</p>
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		<title>By: MarkusQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkusQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-348019&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;scarecrow @&lt;br /&gt;
                23              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-348013&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Christy Hardin Smith @ 18&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Biggus at 16 — not true when you are talking about senior citizens, who do vote regularly.  And who have substantial memories of both Nixon and the attempt to corrupt the political process in a win-at-all-costs Presidential campaign.  But Joe’s mendacity needs to rest on Joe’s actions — the comparison to Nixon is merely one device among several to make that stick in the minds of voters.  Personally, I prefer the comparison to the lies and machinations of George Bush and Dick Cheney — especially since Joe has been their go-to guy for far too long.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, the comparisons with Bush/Cheney are also important.  But Lamont’s campaign (and last night’s debate) have already made the link clear.  So why go back to Nixon?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;IMO, Ned is closing the loop — Nixon (liar about the war, impeached, resigned in disgrace, lost the war) = Bush (liar about the war, impeachable, should resign in disgrace) = Lieberman (liar about the war, enabler of those who should disgraced)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is even more to it than that.  The Nixon administration isn’t just some distant historical parallel or some chance circumstantial similarity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Many of the people we are fighting now were part of the Nixon administration, or are the children or protoges of people who were.  It isn’t like we’re fighting an eerily similar enemy, &lt;i&gt;it’s the same damned “Imperial Presidency” gang, still at it&lt;/i&gt;.  Cheney, Rove, Bush, the Cubans in Florida, the Ratfuckers, even the secret slush fund paid out in cash right before the election, the race bating, Rumsfeld, secret bombings, warrantless wiretaps, CIA infighting,…this isn’t a new battle, it’s a continuation of the battle which has been going on unabated for decades.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;*sigh*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;–MarkusQ&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;P.S. Pop quiz…anybody remember the name of the woman who’s office was bugged in the bungled burglary?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-348019"><em>scarecrow @<br />
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-348013"><em>Christy Hardin Smith @ 18</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Biggus at 16 — not true when you are talking about senior citizens, who do vote regularly.  And who have substantial memories of both Nixon and the attempt to corrupt the political process in a win-at-all-costs Presidential campaign.  But Joe’s mendacity needs to rest on Joe’s actions — the comparison to Nixon is merely one device among several to make that stick in the minds of voters.  Personally, I prefer the comparison to the lies and machinations of George Bush and Dick Cheney — especially since Joe has been their go-to guy for far too long.</p>
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<p>Yes, the comparisons with Bush/Cheney are also important.  But Lamont’s campaign (and last night’s debate) have already made the link clear.  So why go back to Nixon?</p>
<p>IMO, Ned is closing the loop — Nixon (liar about the war, impeached, resigned in disgrace, lost the war) = Bush (liar about the war, impeachable, should resign in disgrace) = Lieberman (liar about the war, enabler of those who should disgraced)</p>
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<p>There is even more to it than that.  The Nixon administration isn’t just some distant historical parallel or some chance circumstantial similarity.</p>
<p>Many of the people we are fighting now were part of the Nixon administration, or are the children or protoges of people who were.  It isn’t like we’re fighting an eerily similar enemy, <i>it’s the same damned “Imperial Presidency” gang, still at it</i>.  Cheney, Rove, Bush, the Cubans in Florida, the Ratfuckers, even the secret slush fund paid out in cash right before the election, the race bating, Rumsfeld, secret bombings, warrantless wiretaps, CIA infighting,…this isn’t a new battle, it’s a continuation of the battle which has been going on unabated for decades.</p>
<p>*sigh*</p>
<p>–MarkusQ</p>
<p>P.S. Pop quiz…anybody remember the name of the woman who’s office was bugged in the bungled burglary?</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-348126&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sparcatus @ 101&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-348048&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;jeffreyw @&lt;br /&gt;
                50              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;In fact, five years ago, after Saddam ejected the UN inspectors, John McCain and I gave up on containment and introduced the Iraqi Liberation Act, which, when it became law, made a change of regime in Baghdad official US policy. You might therefore say that, when it comes to Iraq, President Bush is just enforcing the McCain-Lieberman policy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.acronym.org.uk/docs/0302/doc12.htm&quot;&gt;conference speech&lt;/a&gt; given by Joe.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hate to say this, but if this was during the 2004 presidential election, the 5 years ago reference is to legislation during Clinton administration.  Doesn’t change the fact that making overthrow a national policy is idiocy and that Joe’s got a lot of responsibility for the Iraq debacle. But we should be clear eyed about the situation to avoid a Gotcha that let’s Joe off the hook.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’m pretty sure it’s from feb 2003 and referencing 1998. yes during clinton’s presidency, and yes it was a bad bill - see my (and other’s) comment above.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-348048"><em>jeffreyw @<br />
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<blockquote><blockquote>In fact, five years ago, after Saddam ejected the UN inspectors, John McCain and I gave up on containment and introduced the Iraqi Liberation Act, which, when it became law, made a change of regime in Baghdad official US policy. You might therefore say that, when it comes to Iraq, President Bush is just enforcing the McCain-Lieberman policy.</p></blockquote>
<p>From a <a href="http://www.acronym.org.uk/docs/0302/doc12.htm">conference speech</a> given by Joe.</p>
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<p>I hate to say this, but if this was during the 2004 presidential election, the 5 years ago reference is to legislation during Clinton administration.  Doesn’t change the fact that making overthrow a national policy is idiocy and that Joe’s got a lot of responsibility for the Iraq debacle. But we should be clear eyed about the situation to avoid a Gotcha that let’s Joe off the hook.</p>
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<p>i’m pretty sure it’s from feb 2003 and referencing 1998. yes during clinton’s presidency, and yes it was a bad bill &#8211; see my (and other’s) comment above.</p>
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		<title>By: Sparcatus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sparcatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-348048&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;jeffreyw @&lt;br /&gt;
                50              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;In fact, five years ago, after Saddam ejected the UN inspectors, John McCain and I gave up on containment and introduced the Iraqi Liberation Act, which, when it became law, made a change of regime in Baghdad official US policy. You might therefore say that, when it comes to Iraq, President Bush is just enforcing the McCain-Lieberman policy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.acronym.org.uk/docs/0302/doc12.htm&quot;&gt;conference speech&lt;/a&gt; given by Joe.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hate to say this, but if this was during the 2004 presidential election, the 5 years ago reference is to legislation during Clinton administration.  Doesn’t change the fact that making overthrow a national policy is idiocy and that Joe’s got a lot of responsibility for the Iraq debacle. But we should be clear eyed about the situation to avoid a Gotcha that let’s Joe off the hook.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-348048"><em>jeffreyw @<br />
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<blockquote><blockquote>In fact, five years ago, after Saddam ejected the UN inspectors, John McCain and I gave up on containment and introduced the Iraqi Liberation Act, which, when it became law, made a change of regime in Baghdad official US policy. You might therefore say that, when it comes to Iraq, President Bush is just enforcing the McCain-Lieberman policy.</p></blockquote>
<p>From a <a href="http://www.acronym.org.uk/docs/0302/doc12.htm">conference speech</a> given by Joe.</p>
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<p>I hate to say this, but if this was during the 2004 presidential election, the 5 years ago reference is to legislation during Clinton administration.  Doesn’t change the fact that making overthrow a national policy is idiocy and that Joe’s got a lot of responsibility for the Iraq debacle. But we should be clear eyed about the situation to avoid a Gotcha that let’s Joe off the hook.</p>
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		<title>By: rwcole</title>
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		<dc:creator>rwcole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have no idea what “bi-partisanship” means. If it means “horse trading” (OK I’ll vote for your bill if you’ll vote for mine)- well then it’s a necessary and important part of the political process.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most pople know that when you go to the polls- you aren’t going to have a chance to vote for a “dream candidate” in most elections. You are going to vote for the person who will do the least damage.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea what “bi-partisanship” means. If it means “horse trading” (OK I’ll vote for your bill if you’ll vote for mine)- well then it’s a necessary and important part of the political process.</p>
<p>Most pople know that when you go to the polls- you aren’t going to have a chance to vote for a “dream candidate” in most elections. You are going to vote for the person who will do the least damage.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;MayDaze (85) and John Casper (90), thank you.  A Lieberman win is a bigger threat than the elected Dems seem to realize or they would be “pulling out all the stops” as Kerry wants us to do.  Why they let the bad guys like Joe and Dick have the upper hand is quite beyond me and that’s what they’re doing by supporting Joe or hanging back from supporting Ned.  The Clintons and Gore need to show up in Connecticut.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MayDaze (85) and John Casper (90), thank you.  A Lieberman win is a bigger threat than the elected Dems seem to realize or they would be “pulling out all the stops” as Kerry wants us to do.  Why they let the bad guys like Joe and Dick have the upper hand is quite beyond me and that’s what they’re doing by supporting Joe or hanging back from supporting Ned.  The Clintons and Gore need to show up in Connecticut.</p>
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