Comments on: Experience http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:44:12 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: J. Powers http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-348174 J. Powers Tue, 24 Oct 2006 18:56:16 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-348174 <p>Perhaps a meme to counter the experience argument: Joe doesn’t have 18 years of experience–he’s had 1 year of experience 18 times.</p> <p>Putting your butt in a chair for 18 years doesn’t make you wiser or smarter unless you actually learn some real lessons from doing it.</p> Perhaps a meme to counter the experience argument: Joe doesn’t have 18 years of experience–he’s had 1 year of experience 18 times.

Putting your butt in a chair for 18 years doesn’t make you wiser or smarter unless you actually learn some real lessons from doing it.

]]> By: mui http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347894 mui Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:16:48 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347894 <p>Ye Gads! Iran is an “Arab” country? And how about the Ottoman empire? That was Arab too, right Joe? That’s offensive to the <i>Persians</i> and the Turks too. No offense to the Arabs, but that is definitely not winnning the hearts and minds of the ME, if he can’t even distinguish the different backgrounds that are a source of historical and cultural pride to some. I mean I doubt Lieberliar would call the English, Irish and v.v.</p> Ye Gads! Iran is an “Arab” country? And how about the Ottoman empire? That was Arab too, right Joe? That’s offensive to the Persians and the Turks too. No offense to the Arabs, but that is definitely not winnning the hearts and minds of the ME, if he can’t even distinguish the different backgrounds that are a source of historical and cultural pride to some. I mean I doubt Lieberliar would call the English, Irish and v.v.

]]> By: jess http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347606 jess Tue, 24 Oct 2006 05:53:02 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347606 <p>The attacks on Holy Joe are back-firing b/c it does not matter if he has been a closet Republican or not, there was a D attached to his name for over 40 yrs. Joe will win the election regardless. Please save our energy for other races. People feel sympathy for Joe and large portion of ppl will vote for Holy Joe. It is over. The battle is over people. Save your energy and money for other races. my 2 cents.</p> The attacks on Holy Joe are back-firing b/c it does not matter if he has been a closet Republican or not, there was a D attached to his name for over 40 yrs. Joe will win the election regardless. Please save our energy for other races. People feel sympathy for Joe and large portion of ppl will vote for Holy Joe. It is over. The battle is over people. Save your energy and money for other races. my 2 cents.

]]> By: DrBB http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347549 DrBB Tue, 24 Oct 2006 05:07:43 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347549 <p>Any hints of a shift in momentum in this race? I’ve read the posts here about how the polls are untrustworthy etc. but I’m afraid it reads like whistling past the graveyard–the kind of thing you have to say when you’re guy is down by double digits two weeks out. </p> <p>Sounds anti-Ned but it isn’t. I desperately want him to pull this one out. But damn. Does every candidate I put my hope (and money!) in have to get taken over by the hypercautious election-killing Demokratic Konsultant Korps? Like having the whole damn party run by concern trolls. Ack. Guess I’ll take my pessimism to bed and hope this post gets EPU’d….</p> Any hints of a shift in momentum in this race? I’ve read the posts here about how the polls are untrustworthy etc. but I’m afraid it reads like whistling past the graveyard–the kind of thing you have to say when you’re guy is down by double digits two weeks out.

Sounds anti-Ned but it isn’t. I desperately want him to pull this one out. But damn. Does every candidate I put my hope (and money!) in have to get taken over by the hypercautious election-killing Demokratic Konsultant Korps? Like having the whole damn party run by concern trolls. Ack. Guess I’ll take my pessimism to bed and hope this post gets EPU’d….

]]> By: Sharoney http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347547 Sharoney Tue, 24 Oct 2006 05:05:49 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347547 <p><a href="#comment-347484"><em>Margot @ 53</em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-347442"><em>dab from CT @<br /> 40 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p>This whole undocumented “petty cash” thing reminds me of wonderful song, Little Tin Box” from a Pulitzer Prize-winning musical, “Fiorello!” about New York City mayor Fiorello H. LaGuardia, a reform Republican who took on Tammany Hall. </p> <p>The musical contains several songs built around a group of machine politicians… </p> <p>In the song a “Little Tin Box”, some Tammany politicians image how they would attempt to explain to a judge that their wealth came from their scrupulous habits of savings. [Snipped for space constraints]</p></blockquote> <p>That’s <em>wonderful</em>! Thank you so much. I’d never heard of this.<br /> Um..my first thought was, Wonder if this is on YouTube? ;) never mind!</p></blockquote> <p>This is one of the best songs ever from an undeservedly obscure musical! Actually, it’s sung by a group of cardplayers/party operatives, led by the great Howard DaSilva, who are gloating over the fact that their political enemies - Tammany Hall - are now on the legal ropes. Kinda like the whole Repug Culture of Corruption thing going on now. You can listen to a snippet of it <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002SOJ/sr=8-1/qid=1161665893/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-9006202-3216925?ie=UTF8&s=music">here</a> (scroll down - Windoz Media only). It has one of those singable melodies you’ll swear you’ve heard before. While you’re there, listen to the other cardplayers’ songs too: “Politics and Poker” and “The Bum Won.” My favorite line from the latter: “Who’d ever guessed that the people would go to the polls and elect a fanatic? People can do what they want to, but I’ve got a feeling it ain’t democratic!”</p> Margot @ 53

dab from CT @
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This whole undocumented “petty cash” thing reminds me of wonderful song, Little Tin Box” from a Pulitzer Prize-winning musical, “Fiorello!” about New York City mayor Fiorello H. LaGuardia, a reform Republican who took on Tammany Hall.

The musical contains several songs built around a group of machine politicians…

In the song a “Little Tin Box”, some Tammany politicians image how they would attempt to explain to a judge that their wealth came from their scrupulous habits of savings. [Snipped for space constraints]

That’s wonderful! Thank you so much. I’d never heard of this.
Um..my first thought was, Wonder if this is on YouTube? ;) never mind!

This is one of the best songs ever from an undeservedly obscure musical! Actually, it’s sung by a group of cardplayers/party operatives, led by the great Howard DaSilva, who are gloating over the fact that their political enemies – Tammany Hall – are now on the legal ropes. Kinda like the whole Repug Culture of Corruption thing going on now. You can listen to a snippet of it here (scroll down – Windoz Media only). It has one of those singable melodies you’ll swear you’ve heard before. While you’re there, listen to the other cardplayers’ songs too: “Politics and Poker” and “The Bum Won.” My favorite line from the latter: “Who’d ever guessed that the people would go to the polls and elect a fanatic? People can do what they want to, but I’ve got a feeling it ain’t democratic!”

]]> By: Eureka Springs, AR http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347536 Eureka Springs, AR Tue, 24 Oct 2006 05:00:21 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347536 <p>T. Atkinson - Welcome to the lake. Next time bring a beach towel and umbrella, stay awhile.<br /> Now you may get an occasional “I could have told you so” or some sand kicked up in a kerfuffle but I am guessing you might enjoy the bbq enough to stick around.</p> T. Atkinson – Welcome to the lake. Next time bring a beach towel and umbrella, stay awhile.
Now you may get an occasional “I could have told you so” or some sand kicked up in a kerfuffle but I am guessing you might enjoy the bbq enough to stick around.

]]> By: TeddySanFran http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347530 TeddySanFran Tue, 24 Oct 2006 04:55:52 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347530 <p>Also, T. (if I may call you T.) there’s a healthily categorized FDL archive on the right upper side of the blog that may help if you’re interested in catching up. You’ll want to recognize that things are moving pretty fast here now — debate night right now, and a fourteen-day countdown to Saving Our Republic starting TOMORROW. So, ‘lakers may seem a little exasperated at catch-up questions if you’ve not dipped into the back issues before posing entirely valid queries. It’s not the questions we mind right now, it’s the limited time we see ahead of us to beat BushCo hard.</p> <p>Again, welcome!</p> Also, T. (if I may call you T.) there’s a healthily categorized FDL archive on the right upper side of the blog that may help if you’re interested in catching up. You’ll want to recognize that things are moving pretty fast here now — debate night right now, and a fourteen-day countdown to Saving Our Republic starting TOMORROW. So, ‘lakers may seem a little exasperated at catch-up questions if you’ve not dipped into the back issues before posing entirely valid queries. It’s not the questions we mind right now, it’s the limited time we see ahead of us to beat BushCo hard.

Again, welcome!

]]> By: TeddySanFran http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347522 TeddySanFran Tue, 24 Oct 2006 04:49:58 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347522 <p>A mighty FDL welcome to you, T. Atkinson. Thoughtful converts will never find themselves shamed at the ‘lake. You’ll even learn that among us we have supporters of Bush’s Iraq Folly, now repentent — and stronger progressives for their journey.</p> <p>No faith like that in a convert’s shining eyes. Looking forward to seeing you around, you’re a ‘pup now!<br /> <b><br /> ========<br /> Had Enough?<br /> ========</b></p> A mighty FDL welcome to you, T. Atkinson. Thoughtful converts will never find themselves shamed at the ‘lake. You’ll even learn that among us we have supporters of Bush’s Iraq Folly, now repentent — and stronger progressives for their journey.

No faith like that in a convert’s shining eyes. Looking forward to seeing you around, you’re a ‘pup now!

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]]> By: punaise http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347517 punaise Tue, 24 Oct 2006 04:45:12 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347517 <p><a href="#comment-347492"><em>T. Atkinson @<br /> 54 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Thank you all for your deeply felt, thoughtful responses. At the outset I have to note that I believe there are other sites where my question would have resulted in me being hounded out as a concern troll, a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and my comments would have been stricken. </p></blockquote> <p>I for one appreciate your thoughtful follow-up (abridged here). Don’t be a stranger - FDL may appear to be stridently progressive, but you’ll find a somewhat broad spectrum of readers and commenters. Civil discourse is generally the norm.</p> T. Atkinson @
54

Thank you all for your deeply felt, thoughtful responses. At the outset I have to note that I believe there are other sites where my question would have resulted in me being hounded out as a concern troll, a wolf in sheep’s clothing, and my comments would have been stricken.

I for one appreciate your thoughtful follow-up (abridged here). Don’t be a stranger – FDL may appear to be stridently progressive, but you’ll find a somewhat broad spectrum of readers and commenters. Civil discourse is generally the norm.

]]> By: Eureka Springs, AR http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347513 Eureka Springs, AR Tue, 24 Oct 2006 04:43:22 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/23/experience/#comment-347513 <p>Well I just finished watching the debate. Interesting to compare live blog to the televised version.<br /> Joe is incompetent and such a nasty little neocon.<br /> Alan is far more interested in fiscal responsibility, immigration control and social security.<br /> Lamont is a clear (reasoned) moderate when juxtaposed with this line up of candidates. I sincerely believe he will work to end the occupation, reform health care and consider the humanity in front of all giant bureaucratic mechanizations of governance.<br /> Trying to put myself in the position of a lower information voter I know I would vote for Senator Lamont. Alan Schlesinger would be better than Lieberman. Lieberman has had his chance, period.<br /> What a fantastic finale for all three candidates to agree on the Gay in the military question!<br /> Only folks who are pro war, have a financial steak in his winning or in some way sympathetic to the idea Lieberman deserves to keep the seat will vote for him, imo.</p> Well I just finished watching the debate. Interesting to compare live blog to the televised version.
Joe is incompetent and such a nasty little neocon.
Alan is far more interested in fiscal responsibility, immigration control and social security.
Lamont is a clear (reasoned) moderate when juxtaposed with this line up of candidates. I sincerely believe he will work to end the occupation, reform health care and consider the humanity in front of all giant bureaucratic mechanizations of governance.
Trying to put myself in the position of a lower information voter I know I would vote for Senator Lamont. Alan Schlesinger would be better than Lieberman. Lieberman has had his chance, period.
What a fantastic finale for all three candidates to agree on the Gay in the military question!
Only folks who are pro war, have a financial steak in his winning or in some way sympathetic to the idea Lieberman deserves to keep the seat will vote for him, imo.

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