The debate was very high temperature from the get -- take a look at the YouTube of Lamont supporters marching with the Kiss Float beforehand. There were people in the debate hall who were singing and distrupting both Lieberman and Lamont, and they were evidently Lyndon LaRouchites, but Persecution Complex Lieberman of course blamed Ned (it was actually Lamont staffers who tried to kick them out of the hall). The Last Honest Man owes both Ned and his supporters an apology, but nobody is holding their Joementum.
The Channel 8 live stream was buggered so I only got to see a portion of it, but it was nice to see that when Joe called Ned a liar once again, Ned had finally had enough.
Vote for who you think won the debate .
UPDATE: Evidently after the debate Lieberman walked up to Ned and said "You goddamn sonovabitch," and something to the effect of "how dare you run those direct mail pieces accusing me of voting for the energy bill in 2005 because of campaign contributions from the oil companies." Joe's losing it.
UPDATE II: Don't know what Joe's so angry about. He should be proud of that record-breaking $15 million dollar war chest, and the things he's done to raise it:
LIEBERMAN REWARDED FOR HIS "BIPARTISAN' ANTI-ENVIRONMENT VOTES WITH ENERGY INDUSTRY CASH: Lieberman has cashed in from his willingness to cast key votes against the environment. In the last year and a half alone, he has received more than $72,000 in corporate PAC contributions from the energy industry – that's almost $1,000 in energy PAC contributions per week since 2005. Since 2000, he's raked in more than $285,000 from the energy industry. This includes PAC contributions from, among others, Texaco, Conoco, British Petroleum and Occidental Petroleum. It also includes contributions from the natural gas industry that will benefit from Lieberman's support of stripping Connecticut's ability to regulate the construction of natural gas terminals in Long Island Sound. Specifically, Lieberman has received contributions from the American Gas Assocation, Consolidated Natural Gas and the Interstate Natural Gas Association of America. Meanwhile, Enron lobbyist Michael Lewan (also formerly Lieberman's chief of staff and a top fundraiser for John Rowland) continues to hold K Street fundraisers for Lieberman in Washington, D.C. [Sources: Center for Responsive Politics, Lieberman report, 2001-2006 Center for Responsive Politics, Lieberman PAC report; Hartford Courant, 8/4/06.
Update III: And then there was this:
Joe Lieberman said in 2005 that “The health of the Long Island Sound is crucial to our region’s economy, quality of life and heritage.” Yet just a few months after saying that, he was the only Democrat in the New England to vote for President Bush’s Energy Bill – a bill that strips Connecticut’s right to prevent Long Island Sound from being the site of potentially hazardous liquid natural gas terminals. After casting his vote, Lieberman was rewarded with more than $50,000 in campaign contributions from the energy industry – a ten-fold increase in energy contributions from what he had received in previous years in the same time period. That included Lieberman recently being the guest of honor at a lavish fundraiser sponsored by, among others, Edison Electric and the American Gas Association – both energy special interests that will make a fast buck from Lieberman’s vote to sell out Long Island Sound.
Why who would ever think that there was any quid-pro-quo going on? The nerve.
Feel the Joementum.
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Go Ned! He helped himself even more tonight.
Nedmentum!
I was listening to KO slam the Republicans’ terror campaign and the end of the debate at the same time. Whew! Very complementary, in a weird sort of way.
SLO-MO. (and of course I spilled my entire box of Good ‘n Plenty on my keyboard as I started to type)
we want Ned! we want Ned!
Urban Pirate @ 352
I am getting a lot of hiccups with refreshing and reloading FDL this eve… on DSL… anyone else?
Valley Girl @
7
no disruptions here
Ned, Ned, Ned, Ned!
I missed the debate. Dish firepups! Did Hans Blix show up looking for the Wealth Of Mass Disbursments?
From Wikipedia
His critics in the US regard him as a conspiracy theorist, crackpot, attention-seeker and political extremist, while Chip Berlet, Dennis King, and others have described him as a fascist, a cult leader, a homophobe, and an anti-Semite. [6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13] He has also been labelled an “unrepentant Marxist-Leninist” by Lt.Gen. Daniel O. Graham, former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, along with other high-ranking U.S. intelligence officers. [14]. LaRouche denies all of these characterizations.
Lieberman is such little boy. I see his kind on the playground everyday at school.
Did they show RG Joes face when Ned called him on his crap?
VG…I was having a few Refresh Comments moments that took forever too.
No but Google is down!
punaise @ 8
Well, in the course of this debate I learned what “Code Pink” is and who Lyndon LaRouche is.
But that is really neither here nor there. The important thing is the Lamont won tonight and the war in Iraq was discussed extensively.
Lieberman closed with a defense of his WSJ editorial and blamed all of the problems there on a single event, the explosion of a mosque, rather than on the mistaken decision to invade Iraq and the subsequent mismanagement by the Bush/Lieberman leadership.
Lamont’s team should seize on this bizarre effort by Lieberman to once again sidestep accountability.
What is it about the Lamont candidacy that makes me want to jump up and shout?
I’ve never been as passionate as I am about Ned and trying to help get him elected.
When I saw the parade I was so energized!
GO NED. ROCK THE BOAT!
That was some bodacious live blogging tonight, folks. My win98 machine wouldn’t play the stream.
Marky got epu’d so I’m bringing him upstairs:
marky @
364
And Chris Shays can watch.
Ned put on his best performance by far - clear, forceful, passionate. Not oily smooth, but “real”.
Valley Girl @
7
It may be a tad slower than usual because so many folks have been jumping in to comment?
I’m glad it wasn’t Code Pink. I don’t know if anybody remembers the Code Pink member who crashed the GOP convention and had to be dragged out. I was holding my breath that they wouldn’t do anything that would hurt Ned. Glad to hear it was loonie Larouche folks.
What the hell are they doing up in CT? Don’t they belong in VA?
I think Ned could help himself with a little extra dose of righteous indignation towards Joe.
Get out there and demand that Joe take back his charge.
OK, I’m really lovin FDL but I’m pretty new, what’s epu please?
http://nedlamont.com/blog/1919/debate-notes
~~~Debate notes
Two quick points before I head down to the post-debate conference.
1.) Joe dug his heels in on Iraq. Remember during the June debate when Joe said things were getting better in Iraq? Well… different story tonight.
2.) Charles, a campaign staffer and LamontBlogger, is actually the guy who helped physically remove the heckler from the hall. Our staffer.
More coming soon. ~~~AND more comments already in this article at lamont site
Urban Pirate @
6
someone please put us out of our misery? I missed most of it, having been dropped at some point and not able to get back.
KO….
Worst Person in the World, Rush Limpbaugh.
Yep. That’s a quote! LOL
Franco @
13
Yeah. It got all “squidgy.”
Sha @ 17
I know. I feel the same way. Each time I meet him my support for him grows stronger.
He’s the real deal.
The fucking pipers were awesome! Very motivating!
no mention of petty cash issue in the debate,as far as I heard
Larouche nuts would naturally oppose the incumbent. Clever spin by professional victim Joe to make everyone assume they were Lamont people. Anyone who has seen Larouche supporters in action know they operate outside normal behavior - I have even heard rumors that they show signs of being under hypnosis while agitating in public.
Lamont improves every single time I see him. If only there could be more debates. I know Joe gave lip service to the idea, but we all know what his so called support means, so I’m not counting on it.
I read one book in the late 1990s, the biography of Gertrude Bell, and I KNEW Cheney’s great adventure would be a massive failure. One book, available at Borders’ stores nationwide.marky @ 22
At this point, Ned needs to take every opportunity to highlight just how delusional this man is.
Any bets on whether there’ll be another debate?
raven @ 24
EPU= Evil Parallel Universe (one of our commenters), was always being left behind in the previous thread. He’d post this great comment, not realizing everyone had moved on.
EPU= short for evil parallel universe- regular commenter who had a gift for making comments at the end of a thread, just as a new one came up- and thus, his comments got left behind. Thus, EPU’d = getting comment left behind.
raven @ 24
I’m kind of a newbie too, but as I understand it epu is “evil parallel universe” from a commenter who used to be the last on a thread when nobody mentioned there was a new post upstairs. Am I anywhere close, FDL oldtimers?
oops, preview should be my friend…sorry.
Ned talked about “integrity” tonight, after Joe called him a liar.
That’s the right word to use. Joe has no integrity, at all.
Not with his Nixonian Iraq defense, and not with his Nixonian $487,000 slush fund for vote buying.
Thanks, I did that for the first 10 minutes of the debate till I figured out I was the only one there. Damn, gottta lot to learn!
LindyH @ 34
Twisted Martini @ 30
Oh, there’s NOTHING like the sound of the pipes to get my attention!
Weigh in on the WTNH blog regarding who you think won the debate
http://wtnh.tv/blogs/index.php.....input_need
BTW, where the heck is *ilson?
Thanks for all the news, folks! I’m on DSD (Damned Slow Dialup) here in the sticks, and can’t stream or even download anything. Sounds like Ned did really well.
punaise @ 31
Well, no question was asked, and only 90 seconds for a closing statement. Makes it tough to bring up a new topic, no?
OOH!!!
UPDATE: Evidently after the debate Lieberman walked up to Ned and said “You goddamn sonovabitch,” and something to the effect of “how dare you run those direct mail pieces accusing me of voting for the energy bill in 2005 because of campaign contributions from the oil companies.” Joe’s losing it.
dab
I want to thank you for sticking with me and explaining more about Ned when I went to runnin my mouth after Huffington’s letter.
dab from CT @ 41
Jane at 45 — OMG! Were the mikes still on?
What just confuses the hell out of me is why Joey the Whiner thinks advertising “bipartisanship” in a fuckin’ political campaign (which is, by definition, partisan) is a good idea.
Anyone who’s got an ounce of common sense these days can see that anyone in Congress screaming about the need for bipartisanship–in the middle of a goddamned campaign–after having been raped by the Repugs for twelve years is either a quisling or a fool.
dab from CT @ 22
the rnc action wasn’t anything like the heckling tonight. i didn’t think it was code pink, because it would have been so out of character. glad to know i was right.
In the world of the irrelevantly powerful (you figure it out!), I wonder if Arianna Huffington watched Ned — and if she is going to recant her Lamont Concession Speech Invitational.
Wouldn’t that be the “fearless” thing to do?
This was Ned’s best debate performance so far. He hammered Joe with the war in Iraq and successfully hung the albatross - George W Bush - around Joe’s neck!!!
‘My wife does not have a fur bioshield‘
;>)
punaise @
8
I was stuck at one point in the last thread. I’d hit the refresh comments button and it would just spin.
Ended up closing the browser and coming back in.
Jane Hamsher @ 45
GOOD! Keep hitting him until his eye twitches and the mask gets completely ripped off.
UPDATE: Evidently after the debate Lieberman walked up to Ned and said “You goddamn sonovabitch,”
Jane Hamsher @ 45
Maybe Lieberman will challenge him to a duel next.
Zell Lieberman.
He is pathetic.
marky @ 23
Damn fucking right! The freakin’ media ought to cover the fact that those were LaRouche supporters and not Ned’s.
I’m SICK of this Lieberman victim act.
I watched every second of the debate and I think Lamont delivered a knockout. Lieberman lost badly. I have never seen Lieberman looking so desperate and defeated. Lamont is on his way to Washington!
Jane Hamsher @ 45
Oh my goodness ; )
Jane Hamsher @ 45
holy shit! please tell me there’s a recording?
Jane Hamsher @ 45
Jane - did anyone get it on tape, vid or audio? Please tell me YES!!
dab from CT @ 41
Thanks for the link. Went there, did that…
Hmm… was Lieberman auditioning to replace Cheney with that swearing? :)
Did “slush fund” Joe mention Hadassah’s cloth coat and his dog “Dreidels” tonight?
Am looking for links of Joe’s energy company campaign contributions. If anyone knows where to lay their hands on them let me know.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 47
I hope its that “no man’s land” situation where C-Span leaves the camera on and follows the candidates around while they do the chit-chat thing…
8pm can’t come soon enough here…
Valley Girl @ 42
Actually, I’ve wondered that too.
Jane Hamsher @ 45
???????
Really??
Jane, did you check open secrets.org?
Jane Hamsher @ 45
Ned tells the truth and Joe thinks its hell!
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006.....ort-1.html
~~~Post Debate Report 1
The singing that disrupted Joe’s speeches was from the Lyndon LaRouche people, who are now standing in the lobby of the theatre, singing and holding a sign equating Bush and Lieberman with Goebbels and Himmler. Bob shot video and will have it up later.~~~
According to CT Bob -
Ned and Al said they would like to barnstorm the state, continuing debates, with questions from the public in each congressional district. Joe declined.
This would be a win/win for both Ned & Alan
Joe shouldn’t get so upset that people might find out his votes are for sale. Didn’t he just buy a lot of them himself from his slush fund?
Sharoney @ 61
Yup. It lacks the joie de vivre of Bob Dole’s “Stop lying about my record!”
If there ever was or will be one, that’s gonna be Joe’s Made For YouTube Moment.
Just pucker up and say goodbye.
darkblack @ 52
FABULOUS!!! Sadly true, but fabulous nonetheless.
Lieberman is the lead traitor in our party’s midst.
Matt Stoler
http://www.mydd.com/
Here’s a little tidbit. After the debate, Lieberman went up to Lamont and said “You goddam sonovobitch!” And then he went on to said something along the lines of ‘how dare you accuse me of voting for the Energy bill because of campaign contributions?’…
Jane Hamsher @ 65
Energy/Nat Resource $292,144 $83,265 $208,879
http://www.opensecrets.org/pol.....cycle=2006
I posted this in the other thread, but I am really interested in hearing opinion on this.
I want to ask a question as someone who has never posted here (or on any political site, really), but I don’t want to get jumped on as a “concern troll”.
I’m a registered Democrat in Maryland, so I don’t have any constituent stake in the Connecticut race (although I recognize the stakes at a larger level). I read new media far more than newspapers, and I don’t watch cable TV anymore (it’s insipid), so I consider myself well informed on the issues, the races, etc.
The question I have is why is everyone so exorcised about this particular race? The races between Allen and Webb and Ford and Corker and Talent and McCaskill–-all of those are much closer, and just as critical to the balance of the Senate.
And yet I come to FDL every day, and I would bet one-third of the stories are Lieberman related. And in reading them I can see that Joe Lieberman causes absolute, unalloyed, teeth-grinding anger in people–-and people not from Connecticut!-–like no other race.
Although I don’t think it makes a lot of sense, I’m not criticizing that view, that passion. I’m just curious what it is about this race that drives people the most. I am reminded of the race Harvey Gantt ran against Helms, and the passion that stirred, but this feels different.
Someone lay it out for a smart guy from MD. Help me understand.
Oh, and on the debate, just from a debate tactic sort of view: Ned seemed a wee bit shaky and slightly green. Schlesinger was court jester, the man with nothing to lose and the freedom to show it, so he was…entertaining.
But Lieberman seemed really whiny on some things. He seemed exasperated, as if he couldn’t understand why he had to be standing there to explain himself to people, and then, when he did, he sort of phoned it in. He looked tired and irritated at having to defend the crown. That’s an awful attitude for a man seeking votes. It’s very entitled. Very Crocker Jarmon.
Anyway. Thanks for your insight.
Told you it was German!
Valley Girl @ 71
Hey guys!
I finally get a chance to come back home here (the Lake!) only to discover that these videos won’t play for me. When they DO start up at all, I get the visual but no sound. Wonder what that’s about.
OTOH, if it’s a symptom arising because of huge interest on the part of the public overwhelming the system, then I won’t complain a bit, nosiree! The more people who see Joe for who he is, the better.
GO NED! Clean up all that dirty slush!
Good to see everybody here, still fighting like hell.
Ned stayed on message - the disaster that is the Iraq war!! The questions were pretty good, too, and they all helped Ned deliver the blows to Joe!!
dab from CT @ 72
Now that’s bipartisanship-a discussions of ideas and let the best man win. Make Joey crash the party with his whiny bullshit.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 76
It wasn’t clear to me whether or not Lieberman agreed with the idea of additional debates. Does anyone know?
If Lieberman says no, it is a great development for Lamont (and Schlesinger). If he says yes, it is still a damn good development for Lamont and Schlesinger, because the more Connecticut sees of Lieberman, the less they will like him.
Valley Girl @ 71
Well. If that’s what they’re saying you ALMOST have to agree with them! {Just kidding…}
I’m new to FDL and I posed similar questions last week. I think the main reason for the lask of interest in the Virginia race is that Webb is not a progressive and this is a progressive blog.
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T. Atkinson @ 79
Eureka @ 76
I think a lot of folks were posting stuff like that on the blog.
The more Schlesinger gets out there, the more he appeals to the wingnuts in CT. We may not be a red state, but we still have our share of wingnuts.
And, of course, the more people see Ned, the more they love him.
It would generate a lot of buzz.
dab from CT @ 72
And for the voters, too. Makes me think of JFK and Goldwater’s plan to barnstorm the USA in ‘64 in as many debates as they could manage… even traveling together in one airplane.
Johnson took another approach with the daisy commercial — which this country is still paying for every damn election cycle.
Go Ned! Go Alan! And just go ‘way Joe.
Does anyone think Joe is sufferring from from Stockholm Syndrome?
raven @ 86
Welcome to FireDogLake! If you keep reading, I’m sure that there are a number of people will be more than happy to tell you why the Connecticut Senate race, in particular, is of such great importance to Democrats and Progressives. I would do so myself, but I am too busy running around trying to get more info on the recent debate! Again, welcome!
Joe did say something audible to Lamont when Lamont went to shake his hand. I couldn’t make it out, but it was audible. I hope Ned’s people will restore that SOB remark and put it up on their website.
old gold at 89 — no, I think Joe is suffering from Cartman syndrome. (As in “Don’t question my authoritay.”)
JF @ 50
I think Arainna was just trying to scare the crap out of Ned’s team.
There’s nothing to fear, but fear-of-losing itself.
Will the debate be replayed anywhere? Will it be uploaded to Youtube?
old gold @ 89
I don’t think so.
But there’s ever so much reason to believe he’s Duhya’s Stepford Wife.
T. Atkinson:
Very short answer:
1. Lieberman has been perhaps the primary abetter of Democratic weakness in the face of Republican crimiality. The list is long.
2. This is the primary front in a warlike struggle between two political machines. One machine is the establishment Dem machine that has failed and assisted the Bush Republican regime at every turn. This is essentially the DC insider establishment. On the other hand, there’s a new, ascending machine made up of grassroots activists outside of DC, Internet activists, Howard Dean’s DNC and new coalitions of progressives who are not about single issues, and Lamont is part of that budding new machine. Accordingly, Lamont is our guy, not only for this Senate race, but for the longer term reclamation of the Democratic Party for different policies, and a fighting stance based on progressive principles.
T. Atkinson @ 79
I think it is first because Joe was not only seen as an unreliable Democrat, he provided cover to the Rethugs “See? I got bipartisan (Joe) support.” After the primary he refused to abide by the will of the party that had rejected him. Like the ‘Skins petitioning for another quarter because they couldn’t beat the Giants in regulation.
Arrogance ignorance stupidity = hubris, and Holy Joe’s go it in spades.
I wish Joe would suffer from survivor guilt over all the deaths he has helped cause in Iraq.
Anyone want to bet that Lieberman’s friend Dr. Schwartz issues another bogus poll in the next few days to “prove” that the debates have had no impact?
RagingGurrl @ 93
You Tube can only host 10 minutes, max.
Funny that KO’s Special Comments are just under that ; )
T. Atkinson, I’ll let other FDLers who have been around longer than I and who may even be in CT delve into this deeply for you. I care about this because Joe Lieberman has shown himself to be a closet Republican, lost his own party’s primary, and still insists on his God-given right to be in the Senate. He needs to go home and spend a LOT of quality time with Hadassah… (well, if she can tear herself away from her lobbying duties for Big Pharma…)
old gold @ 89
Umm, no. Joe is suffering from Hemorrhoid Syndrome. He’s the boil on his own butt.
Oh, and I would add, I live in VA, and I’m phone banking for Webb. Ned’s politics are clsoer to mine, but I’m supporting and campaigning for Webb.
In another angle on your questions, we don’t try as a blog to do or cover everything, but we do focus on Ned’s race for the reasons I stated above.
Ragingurrl at 93 — I believe it will be replayed on C-Span this evening at 11 pm ET.
Joe did say something audible to Lamont when Lamont went to shake his hand. I couldn’t make it out, but it was audible. I hope Ned’s people will restore that SOB remark and put it up on their website.
The debate is on c-span at 11. it’ll be interesting to see if they cut off the sound or play it.
Joe looked very, very bad tonight!!!
He took his cue from the chimp - making faces, etc. I can’t stand the guy!!
*xyz @
16
Thanks for all your good reporting and whoo hoo - just ran into my house after being stuck working since early morning - and caught in traffic without radio reception throughout the entire debate.
Hope & trust Cspan reruns it soon. Hooray for Ned!
I’m really concerned that the MSM is already in the process of blaming Lamont supporters for the disruption. I hope CT Bob has that video up soon and we have a FDL post to spotlight it.
Hope & trust Cspan reruns it soon. Hooray for Ned!
It’s on at 11 Eastern time.