The debate was very high temperature from the get — take a look at the YouTube of Lamont supporters marching with the Kiss Float beforehand. There were people in the debate hall who were singing and distrupting both Lieberman and Lamont, and they were evidently Lyndon LaRouchites, but Persecution Complex Lieberman of course blamed Ned (it was actually Lamont staffers who tried to kick them out of the hall). The Last Honest Man owes both Ned and his supporters an apology, but nobody is holding their Joementum.
The Channel 8 live stream was buggered so I only got to see a portion of it, but it was nice to see that when Joe called Ned a liar once again, Ned had finally had enough.
Vote for who you think won the debate .
UPDATE: Evidently after the debate Lieberman walked up to Ned and said "You goddamn sonovabitch," and something to the effect of "how dare you run those direct mail pieces accusing me of voting for the energy bill in 2005 because of campaign contributions from the oil companies." Joe's losing it.
UPDATE II: Don't know what Joe's so angry about. He should be proud of that record-breaking $15 million dollar war chest, and the things he's done to raise it:
LIEBERMAN REWARDED FOR HIS "BIPARTISAN' ANTI-ENVIRONMENT VOTES WITH ENERGY INDUSTRY CASH: Lieberman has cashed in from his willingness to cast key votes against the environment. In the last year and a half alone, he has received more than $72,000 in corporate PAC contributions from the energy industry – that's almost $1,000 in energy PAC contributions per week since 2005. Since 2000, he's raked in more than $285,000 from the energy industry. This includes PAC contributions from, among others, Texaco, Conoco, British Petroleum and Occidental Petroleum. It also includes contributions from the natural gas industry that will benefit from Lieberman's support of stripping Connecticut's ability to regulate the construction of natural gas terminals in Long Island Sound. Specifically, Lieberman has received contributions from the American Gas Assocation, Consolidated Natural Gas and the Interstate Natural Gas Association of America. Meanwhile, Enron lobbyist Michael Lewan (also formerly Lieberman's chief of staff and a top fundraiser for John Rowland) continues to hold K Street fundraisers for Lieberman in Washington, D.C. [Sources: Center for Responsive Politics, Lieberman report, 2001-2006 Center for Responsive Politics, Lieberman PAC report; Hartford Courant, 8/4/06.
Update III: And then there was this:
Joe Lieberman said in 2005 that “The health of the Long Island Sound is crucial to our region’s economy, quality of life and heritage.” Yet just a few months after saying that, he was the only Democrat in the New England to vote for President Bush’s Energy Bill – a bill that strips Connecticut’s right to prevent Long Island Sound from being the site of potentially hazardous liquid natural gas terminals. After casting his vote, Lieberman was rewarded with more than $50,000 in campaign contributions from the energy industry – a ten-fold increase in energy contributions from what he had received in previous years in the same time period. That included Lieberman recently being the guest of honor at a lavish fundraiser sponsored by, among others, Edison Electric and the American Gas Association – both energy special interests that will make a fast buck from Lieberman’s vote to sell out Long Island Sound.
Why who would ever think that there was any quid-pro-quo going on? The nerve.
Feel the Joementum.
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Go Ned! He helped himself even more tonight.
Nedmentum!
I was listening to KO slam the Republicans’ terror campaign and the end of the debate at the same time. Whew! Very complementary, in a weird sort of way.
SLO-MO. (and of course I spilled my entire box of Good ‘n Plenty on my keyboard as I started to type)
we want Ned! we want Ned!
Urban Pirate @ 352
I am getting a lot of hiccups with refreshing and reloading FDL this eve… on DSL… anyone else?
Valley Girl @
7
no disruptions here
Ned, Ned, Ned, Ned!
I missed the debate. Dish firepups! Did Hans Blix show up looking for the Wealth Of Mass Disbursments?
From Wikipedia
His critics in the US regard him as a conspiracy theorist, crackpot, attention-seeker and political extremist, while Chip Berlet, Dennis King, and others have described him as a fascist, a cult leader, a homophobe, and an anti-Semite. [6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13] He has also been labelled an “unrepentant Marxist-Leninist” by Lt.Gen. Daniel O. Graham, former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, along with other high-ranking U.S. intelligence officers. [14]. LaRouche denies all of these characterizations.
Lieberman is such little boy. I see his kind on the playground everyday at school.
Did they show RG Joes face when Ned called him on his crap?
VG…I was having a few Refresh Comments moments that took forever too.
No but Google is down!
punaise @ 8
Well, in the course of this debate I learned what “Code Pink” is and who Lyndon LaRouche is.
But that is really neither here nor there. The important thing is the Lamont won tonight and the war in Iraq was discussed extensively.
Lieberman closed with a defense of his WSJ editorial and blamed all of the problems there on a single event, the explosion of a mosque, rather than on the mistaken decision to invade Iraq and the subsequent mismanagement by the Bush/Lieberman leadership.
Lamont’s team should seize on this bizarre effort by Lieberman to once again sidestep accountability.
What is it about the Lamont candidacy that makes me want to jump up and shout?
I’ve never been as passionate as I am about Ned and trying to help get him elected.
When I saw the parade I was so energized!
GO NED. ROCK THE BOAT!
That was some bodacious live blogging tonight, folks. My win98 machine wouldn’t play the stream.
Marky got epu’d so I’m bringing him upstairs:
marky @
364
And Chris Shays can watch.
Ned put on his best performance by far – clear, forceful, passionate. Not oily smooth, but “real”.
Valley Girl @
7
It may be a tad slower than usual because so many folks have been jumping in to comment?
I’m glad it wasn’t Code Pink. I don’t know if anybody remembers the Code Pink member who crashed the GOP convention and had to be dragged out. I was holding my breath that they wouldn’t do anything that would hurt Ned. Glad to hear it was loonie Larouche folks.
What the hell are they doing up in CT? Don’t they belong in VA?
I think Ned could help himself with a little extra dose of righteous indignation towards Joe.
Get out there and demand that Joe take back his charge.
OK, I’m really lovin FDL but I’m pretty new, what’s epu please?
http://nedlamont.com/blog/1919/debate-notes
~~~Debate notes
Two quick points before I head down to the post-debate conference.
1.) Joe dug his heels in on Iraq. Remember during the June debate when Joe said things were getting better in Iraq? Well… different story tonight.
2.) Charles, a campaign staffer and LamontBlogger, is actually the guy who helped physically remove the heckler from the hall. Our staffer.
More coming soon. ~~~AND more comments already in this article at lamont site
Urban Pirate @
6
someone please put us out of our misery? I missed most of it, having been dropped at some point and not able to get back.
KO….
Worst Person in the World, Rush Limpbaugh.
Yep. That’s a quote! LOL
Franco @
13
Yeah. It got all “squidgy.”
Sha @ 17
I know. I feel the same way. Each time I meet him my support for him grows stronger.
He’s the real deal.
The fucking pipers were awesome! Very motivating!
no mention of petty cash issue in the debate,as far as I heard
Larouche nuts would naturally oppose the incumbent. Clever spin by professional victim Joe to make everyone assume they were Lamont people. Anyone who has seen Larouche supporters in action know they operate outside normal behavior – I have even heard rumors that they show signs of being under hypnosis while agitating in public.
Lamont improves every single time I see him. If only there could be more debates. I know Joe gave lip service to the idea, but we all know what his so called support means, so I’m not counting on it.
I read one book in the late 1990s, the biography of Gertrude Bell, and I KNEW Cheney’s great adventure would be a massive failure. One book, available at Borders’ stores nationwide.marky @ 22
At this point, Ned needs to take every opportunity to highlight just how delusional this man is.
Any bets on whether there’ll be another debate?
raven @ 24
EPU= Evil Parallel Universe (one of our commenters), was always being left behind in the previous thread. He’d post this great comment, not realizing everyone had moved on.
EPU= short for evil parallel universe- regular commenter who had a gift for making comments at the end of a thread, just as a new one came up- and thus, his comments got left behind. Thus, EPU’d = getting comment left behind.
raven @ 24
I’m kind of a newbie too, but as I understand it epu is “evil parallel universe” from a commenter who used to be the last on a thread when nobody mentioned there was a new post upstairs. Am I anywhere close, FDL oldtimers?
oops, preview should be my friend…sorry.
Ned talked about “integrity” tonight, after Joe called him a liar.
That’s the right word to use. Joe has no integrity, at all.
Not with his Nixonian Iraq defense, and not with his Nixonian $487,000 slush fund for vote buying.
Thanks, I did that for the first 10 minutes of the debate till I figured out I was the only one there. Damn, gottta lot to learn!
LindyH @ 34
Twisted Martini @ 30
Oh, there’s NOTHING like the sound of the pipes to get my attention!
Weigh in on the WTNH blog regarding who you think won the debate
http://wtnh.tv/blogs/index.php…..input_need
BTW, where the heck is *ilson?
Thanks for all the news, folks! I’m on DSD (Damned Slow Dialup) here in the sticks, and can’t stream or even download anything. Sounds like Ned did really well.
punaise @ 31
Well, no question was asked, and only 90 seconds for a closing statement. Makes it tough to bring up a new topic, no?
OOH!!!
UPDATE: Evidently after the debate Lieberman walked up to Ned and said “You goddamn sonovabitch,” and something to the effect of “how dare you run those direct mail pieces accusing me of voting for the energy bill in 2005 because of campaign contributions from the oil companies.” Joe’s losing it.
dab
I want to thank you for sticking with me and explaining more about Ned when I went to runnin my mouth after Huffington’s letter.
dab from CT @ 41
Jane at 45 — OMG! Were the mikes still on?
What just confuses the hell out of me is why Joey the Whiner thinks advertising “bipartisanship” in a fuckin’ political campaign (which is, by definition, partisan) is a good idea.
Anyone who’s got an ounce of common sense these days can see that anyone in Congress screaming about the need for bipartisanship–in the middle of a goddamned campaign–after having been raped by the Repugs for twelve years is either a quisling or a fool.
dab from CT @ 22
the rnc action wasn’t anything like the heckling tonight. i didn’t think it was code pink, because it would have been so out of character. glad to know i was right.
In the world of the irrelevantly powerful (you figure it out!), I wonder if Arianna Huffington watched Ned — and if she is going to recant her Lamont Concession Speech Invitational.
Wouldn’t that be the “fearless” thing to do?
This was Ned’s best debate performance so far. He hammered Joe with the war in Iraq and successfully hung the albatross – George W Bush – around Joe’s neck!!!
‘My wife does not have a fur bioshield‘
;>)
punaise @
8
I was stuck at one point in the last thread. I’d hit the refresh comments button and it would just spin.
Ended up closing the browser and coming back in.
Jane Hamsher @ 45
GOOD! Keep hitting him until his eye twitches and the mask gets completely ripped off.
UPDATE: Evidently after the debate Lieberman walked up to Ned and said “You goddamn sonovabitch,”
Jane Hamsher @ 45
Maybe Lieberman will challenge him to a duel next.
Zell Lieberman.
He is pathetic.
marky @ 23
Damn fucking right! The freakin’ media ought to cover the fact that those were LaRouche supporters and not Ned’s.
I’m SICK of this Lieberman victim act.
I watched every second of the debate and I think Lamont delivered a knockout. Lieberman lost badly. I have never seen Lieberman looking so desperate and defeated. Lamont is on his way to Washington!
Jane Hamsher @ 45
Oh my goodness ; )
Jane Hamsher @ 45
holy shit! please tell me there’s a recording?
Jane Hamsher @ 45
Jane – did anyone get it on tape, vid or audio? Please tell me YES!!
dab from CT @ 41
Thanks for the link. Went there, did that…
Hmm… was Lieberman auditioning to replace Cheney with that swearing? :)
Did “slush fund” Joe mention Hadassah’s cloth coat and his dog “Dreidels” tonight?
Am looking for links of Joe’s energy company campaign contributions. If anyone knows where to lay their hands on them let me know.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 47
I hope its that “no man’s land” situation where C-Span leaves the camera on and follows the candidates around while they do the chit-chat thing…
8pm can’t come soon enough here…
Valley Girl @ 42
Actually, I’ve wondered that too.
Jane Hamsher @ 45
???????
Really??
Jane, did you check open secrets.org?
Jane Hamsher @ 45
Ned tells the truth and Joe thinks its hell!
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006…..ort-1.html
~~~Post Debate Report 1
The singing that disrupted Joe’s speeches was from the Lyndon LaRouche people, who are now standing in the lobby of the theatre, singing and holding a sign equating Bush and Lieberman with Goebbels and Himmler. Bob shot video and will have it up later.~~~
According to CT Bob –
Ned and Al said they would like to barnstorm the state, continuing debates, with questions from the public in each congressional district. Joe declined.
This would be a win/win for both Ned & Alan
Joe shouldn’t get so upset that people might find out his votes are for sale. Didn’t he just buy a lot of them himself from his slush fund?
Sharoney @ 61
Yup. It lacks the joie de vivre of Bob Dole’s “Stop lying about my record!”
If there ever was or will be one, that’s gonna be Joe’s Made For YouTube Moment.
Just pucker up and say goodbye.
darkblack @ 52
FABULOUS!!! Sadly true, but fabulous nonetheless.
Lieberman is the lead traitor in our party’s midst.
Matt Stoler
http://www.mydd.com/
Here’s a little tidbit. After the debate, Lieberman went up to Lamont and said “You goddam sonovobitch!” And then he went on to said something along the lines of ‘how dare you accuse me of voting for the Energy bill because of campaign contributions?’…
Jane Hamsher @ 65
Energy/Nat Resource $292,144 $83,265 $208,879
http://www.opensecrets.org/pol…..cycle=2006
I posted this in the other thread, but I am really interested in hearing opinion on this.
I want to ask a question as someone who has never posted here (or on any political site, really), but I don’t want to get jumped on as a “concern troll”.
I’m a registered Democrat in Maryland, so I don’t have any constituent stake in the Connecticut race (although I recognize the stakes at a larger level). I read new media far more than newspapers, and I don’t watch cable TV anymore (it’s insipid), so I consider myself well informed on the issues, the races, etc.
The question I have is why is everyone so exorcised about this particular race? The races between Allen and Webb and Ford and Corker and Talent and McCaskill–-all of those are much closer, and just as critical to the balance of the Senate.
And yet I come to FDL every day, and I would bet one-third of the stories are Lieberman related. And in reading them I can see that Joe Lieberman causes absolute, unalloyed, teeth-grinding anger in people–-and people not from Connecticut!-–like no other race.
Although I don’t think it makes a lot of sense, I’m not criticizing that view, that passion. I’m just curious what it is about this race that drives people the most. I am reminded of the race Harvey Gantt ran against Helms, and the passion that stirred, but this feels different.
Someone lay it out for a smart guy from MD. Help me understand.
Oh, and on the debate, just from a debate tactic sort of view: Ned seemed a wee bit shaky and slightly green. Schlesinger was court jester, the man with nothing to lose and the freedom to show it, so he was…entertaining.
But Lieberman seemed really whiny on some things. He seemed exasperated, as if he couldn’t understand why he had to be standing there to explain himself to people, and then, when he did, he sort of phoned it in. He looked tired and irritated at having to defend the crown. That’s an awful attitude for a man seeking votes. It’s very entitled. Very Crocker Jarmon.
Anyway. Thanks for your insight.
Told you it was German!
Valley Girl @ 71
Hey guys!
I finally get a chance to come back home here (the Lake!) only to discover that these videos won’t play for me. When they DO start up at all, I get the visual but no sound. Wonder what that’s about.
OTOH, if it’s a symptom arising because of huge interest on the part of the public overwhelming the system, then I won’t complain a bit, nosiree! The more people who see Joe for who he is, the better.
GO NED! Clean up all that dirty slush!
Good to see everybody here, still fighting like hell.
Ned stayed on message – the disaster that is the Iraq war!! The questions were pretty good, too, and they all helped Ned deliver the blows to Joe!!
dab from CT @ 72
Now that’s bipartisanship-a discussions of ideas and let the best man win. Make Joey crash the party with his whiny bullshit.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 76
It wasn’t clear to me whether or not Lieberman agreed with the idea of additional debates. Does anyone know?
If Lieberman says no, it is a great development for Lamont (and Schlesinger). If he says yes, it is still a damn good development for Lamont and Schlesinger, because the more Connecticut sees of Lieberman, the less they will like him.
Valley Girl @ 71
Well. If that’s what they’re saying you ALMOST have to agree with them! {Just kidding…}
I’m new to FDL and I posed similar questions last week. I think the main reason for the lask of interest in the Virginia race is that Webb is not a progressive and this is a progressive blog.
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T. Atkinson @ 79
Eureka @ 76
I think a lot of folks were posting stuff like that on the blog.
The more Schlesinger gets out there, the more he appeals to the wingnuts in CT. We may not be a red state, but we still have our share of wingnuts.
And, of course, the more people see Ned, the more they love him.
It would generate a lot of buzz.
dab from CT @ 72
And for the voters, too. Makes me think of JFK and Goldwater’s plan to barnstorm the USA in ‘64 in as many debates as they could manage… even traveling together in one airplane.
Johnson took another approach with the daisy commercial — which this country is still paying for every damn election cycle.
Go Ned! Go Alan! And just go ‘way Joe.
Does anyone think Joe is sufferring from from Stockholm Syndrome?
raven @ 86
Welcome to FireDogLake! If you keep reading, I’m sure that there are a number of people will be more than happy to tell you why the Connecticut Senate race, in particular, is of such great importance to Democrats and Progressives. I would do so myself, but I am too busy running around trying to get more info on the recent debate! Again, welcome!
Joe did say something audible to Lamont when Lamont went to shake his hand. I couldn’t make it out, but it was audible. I hope Ned’s people will restore that SOB remark and put it up on their website.
old gold at 89 — no, I think Joe is suffering from Cartman syndrome. (As in “Don’t question my authoritay.”)
JF @ 50
I think Arainna was just trying to scare the crap out of Ned’s team.
There’s nothing to fear, but fear-of-losing itself.
Will the debate be replayed anywhere? Will it be uploaded to Youtube?
old gold @ 89
I don’t think so.
But there’s ever so much reason to believe he’s Duhya’s Stepford Wife.
T. Atkinson:
Very short answer:
1. Lieberman has been perhaps the primary abetter of Democratic weakness in the face of Republican crimiality. The list is long.
2. This is the primary front in a warlike struggle between two political machines. One machine is the establishment Dem machine that has failed and assisted the Bush Republican regime at every turn. This is essentially the DC insider establishment. On the other hand, there’s a new, ascending machine made up of grassroots activists outside of DC, Internet activists, Howard Dean’s DNC and new coalitions of progressives who are not about single issues, and Lamont is part of that budding new machine. Accordingly, Lamont is our guy, not only for this Senate race, but for the longer term reclamation of the Democratic Party for different policies, and a fighting stance based on progressive principles.
T. Atkinson @ 79
I think it is first because Joe was not only seen as an unreliable Democrat, he provided cover to the Rethugs “See? I got bipartisan (Joe) support.” After the primary he refused to abide by the will of the party that had rejected him. Like the ‘Skins petitioning for another quarter because they couldn’t beat the Giants in regulation.
Arrogance ignorance stupidity = hubris, and Holy Joe’s go it in spades.
I wish Joe would suffer from survivor guilt over all the deaths he has helped cause in Iraq.
Anyone want to bet that Lieberman’s friend Dr. Schwartz issues another bogus poll in the next few days to “prove” that the debates have had no impact?
RagingGurrl @ 93
You Tube can only host 10 minutes, max.
Funny that KO’s Special Comments are just under that ; )
T. Atkinson, I’ll let other FDLers who have been around longer than I and who may even be in CT delve into this deeply for you. I care about this because Joe Lieberman has shown himself to be a closet Republican, lost his own party’s primary, and still insists on his God-given right to be in the Senate. He needs to go home and spend a LOT of quality time with Hadassah… (well, if she can tear herself away from her lobbying duties for Big Pharma…)
old gold @ 89
Umm, no. Joe is suffering from Hemorrhoid Syndrome. He’s the boil on his own butt.
Oh, and I would add, I live in VA, and I’m phone banking for Webb. Ned’s politics are clsoer to mine, but I’m supporting and campaigning for Webb.
In another angle on your questions, we don’t try as a blog to do or cover everything, but we do focus on Ned’s race for the reasons I stated above.
Ragingurrl at 93 — I believe it will be replayed on C-Span this evening at 11 pm ET.
Joe did say something audible to Lamont when Lamont went to shake his hand. I couldn’t make it out, but it was audible. I hope Ned’s people will restore that SOB remark and put it up on their website.
The debate is on c-span at 11. it’ll be interesting to see if they cut off the sound or play it.
Joe looked very, very bad tonight!!!
He took his cue from the chimp – making faces, etc. I can’t stand the guy!!
*xyz @
16
Thanks for all your good reporting and whoo hoo – just ran into my house after being stuck working since early morning – and caught in traffic without radio reception throughout the entire debate.
Hope & trust Cspan reruns it soon. Hooray for Ned!
I’m really concerned that the MSM is already in the process of blaming Lamont supporters for the disruption. I hope CT Bob has that video up soon and we have a FDL post to spotlight it.
Hope & trust Cspan reruns it soon. Hooray for Ned!
It’s on at 11 Eastern time.
I don’t know if someone already posted it, but here’s an Energy contribution link from opensecrets.org: Top Recipients: Energy
Why didn’t Ned say anything about the petty cash issue- it was his one chance to raise it for free and force Joe to comment on it. Not saying anything makes no sense- what’s up with that?
Brownandserve –
Thank God for CT Bob. The MSM might want to hold a pity party for Lieberman, but because it’s on video – they can’t.
Instead they’ll have to talk about the loonie LaRouche folks – and hopefully comment on the Lamont people trying to drag them out of the debate area.
Also, re: Webb v. Allen, I think that race only caught fire after the CT primary with Allen’s foot in mouth disease. And Webb is very popular here.
Lieberman undercuts Dems CONSTANTLY. Whenever Dems stand up to the administration, there’s Joe wagging his finger at Democrats, telling them it’s so DANGEROUS to counter the “commander-in-chief” in a “time of war.”
Everytime the administration wants to claim it has “bipartisan support” for its evil policies, Rove and his minions cast their eyes first and foremost to Joe. Then Joe goes on Fox TeeVee and says “tsk-tsk” to those “scary” so-called extremists, like every Republican’s bugaboo, Nancy Pelosi.
Joe betrays not ONLY his party, but this entire beloved nation of ours, all for the sake of his own selfish needs.
That’s why we focus our laser light of truth ON HIM.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 103
Thank you, Thank you.
T Atkinson @79, Joe Lieberman is not an asset to our country. He is on committees that affect every state in the Union and I, for one, am NOT happy with his voting record, his lies, his kissing up to this administration and his campaigning tactics.
rwcole @ 109
I think it would have been a very bad thing to do. Ned needs to stay above that sort of stuff. Let Swan and the former chair of the Dem party handle it.
raven @ 86
I can’t speak for the ladies, but we railed against Joe for mon ths, and when a fantastic candidate stepped up to unseat him in the primary, we all hopped on the bus. Since Loserman needs to have a stake stuck in his fucking cold heart, we’re making sure we finish the job.
Webb is a fantastic candidate, and Allen is equally reprehensible, but since I’m local, and personally “invested” in Lamont, it’s the race I’m most into.
Webb is progressive in many ways, and I’ve donated to his race as well.
*xyz @
16
Yes! And as Matt Stoller points out at MyDD, Lieberman’s excuse that everything changed in Feb 2006 is contradicted by his optimistic statements during the primary that progress was being made in Iraq.
I think Lamont was prudent in not mentioning the petty cash issue. There’s not enough information out there for him to make statements himself. It’s conceivable that the Lieberman campaign has a good explanation for the expenses, in which case Lamont winds up with egg on his face if he brings it up in the debate.
Any chance of getting Slush Fund Joe to kick some money in for Democratic candidates who need some cash infusions?
-GSD
Why didn’t Ned say anything about the petty cash issue- it was his one chance to raise it for free and force Joe to comment on it. Not saying anything makes no sense- what’s up with that?
I’m glad that he didn’t. His campaign manager is taking care of that, beautifully, imho.
The war in Iraq is the most important issue on the minds of the voters and Ned went after Joe relentlessly. It was a not Joe’s night!
Some new BS from Tammy schmuck;
the new BS from Tammy Sun, “We’ll release our petty cash log when Ned releases his tax returns”
Do you believe this ?
Jane — is there a link for the Update II quote?
rwcole @ 109
I don’t see that as a big deal. Stay on the issues. The media will run with the petty cash issue if there’s a there, there
Jane- here’s a start at least:via CTBob
http://www.fileden.com/files/2…..inal_2.pdf
Sorry, this has taken me a while to convert part into text. the .pdf has side by side comparisons of Lamont and Lieberman.
Cheney Energy Bill:
Lamont Would have voted against bill which gives billions to the oil, coal, and nuclear power industries; weakens environmental regulations; does far too little for fuel economy, conservation, and alternative energy; and limits CT’s oversight authority for the proposed Long Island Sound LNG terminal.
Lieberman Supported the Bush Administration by being the only New England Democratic Senator to vote for the Cheney Energy bill. Received campaign contributions from Enron, an LNG industry company, utility companies, and other energy industry companies.~~
Article on the debate is already up in the NH Independent:
http://www.newhavenindependent…..etty_c.php
*xyz @ 84
It looked to me like he gave a non-committal, “sure.” Pretty much like he said it just to appear like he’d actually go through with it, but in the end will find numerous off-camera reasons as to why he can’t.
T. Atkinson @ 6:36 pm (#79) – Can’t answer for anyone besides me, but the reason I think that this race is so important is that Lieberman is so unrepresentative of the state he represents. In addition, he’s done so much that people have already mentioned here to undermine his own party and progressives in general that we’re much better off without him, and we can get a true progressive elected in his place.
Jane Hamsher @ 45
Question Ned can use at a future debate: “Joe, do you kiss your Preznit with that mouth?
Dang, I missed the fireworks. Glad to see C-Span will show it soon.
Scheduled before the CT debate broadcast is the FL Senate debate with Nelson and Harris. Not sure my stomach is strong enough for that one but it’s sure to be pretty amusing.
Sharoney,
That’s the kind of mouth you kiss ass with, silly!
Check this out…the Thugs are losing their minds!
Via Rawstory.com
Sharoney @ 128
You should be writing Ned’s debate responses.
By the way, these Larouchites are quite creepy. And they like to infiltrate and recruit in all sorts of places.
Back in the day, Larouche would buy a half-hour time slot on prime time teevee (not a cheap proposition) to peddle his theories. Once I saw him do that on teevee here in the states just a week before I moved back to Germany. The week I arrived in Germany, I managed to catch a half-hour prime time show on German teevee, which featured Larouche’s German wife (IIRC, her name is Helga, I think) spouting his theories there, a week before the German elections.
Then after moving back to the states I engaged in a “war of the posters” with some Larouchites at the university where I was teaching and doing graduate work.
Someone would put up a poster on our department’s bulletin board, inviting everyone to some chamber music and a “cultural talk” at the so-called “Schiller Society.” I knew, however, that the Schiller Society (named for German author Friedrich Schiller) was a front group for Larouche, so I would rip it down.
They would put it back up. I would rip it down. Repeat. Repeat.
Finally one day I showed up at the deparment very early, around 5 a.m., and left my office door open so I could hear anyone come in. Caught ‘em red-handed, and read them the riot act. Told ‘em I’d call the police next time, since they’re not part of the university and didn’t have the required permission to post on that board, and they were trespassing. That was it. No more posters — except for mine (approved by the dept chair), which said simply, “The Schiller Society is a front group for Lyndon LaRouche.” That was that.
But they’re creepy, all right.
LIEBERMAN IS A LIAR VIDEO – HIS NOSE IS GROWING!!!!!!
http://www.liebermeforme.com
LaRouche supporters ? – thought they all caught a ride on Hale-Bopp
David Olsen @ 6:32
you had me at “Dreidels”
VG and others,
believe *ilson is managing a local campaign – unless he’s finally gone and joined the Zapatistas
*xyz @ 125
If someone here has a typekey account, maybe they could be kind enough to add a comment describing who was doing the heckling.
liebermeforme @ 134
That is brilliant!
Sharoney @ 128
Question Ned can use at a future debate: "Joe, do you kiss your Preznit with that mouth?
Very Funny!!
Brownandserve #136 – done
The New Republican Party-we hate blacks, gays, women and we’ve added the sick and disabled to our hate list this late in the game.
Now they have Don “The Strangler” Sherwood and Barbara ‘The Slapper’ Cubin.
I hope the Tidy Bowl man can throw these creeps a live preserver, they’ll need it.
Also, looks like things just a little tougher for Chris Shays in CT.
-GSD
T. Atkinson @ 79
On The Importance of Being Ned:
A win for Lamont is a DIRECT hit to this administration. His win would provide a momentum for change that is desperately needed and could be the harbinger of things to come. That’s why Cheney, Rove and Republican leaders are rallying to support Lieberman – they have to defeat Lamont. They understand what a Lamont victory would mean.
I’m wondering if our Democratic leaders have a clue how high the stakes are in CT.
Lamont has a “D” next to his name, he is the people’s choice so I’d like to see Obama, Bill, Hillary, Chuck clear their schedules – get to CT, and show some support for one of our own.
RagingGurrl @ 141
Superb and concise statement. Kudos.
RagingGurrl @ 141
RagingGurrl – Yes! As you know, I couldn’t agree more.
I will also argue that a Web victory would not only be a slap in the face to Bush but knock that varmit Allen out of contention for a presidential run.
*xyz @ 125
RagingGurrl @ 141
Ok, I hope someone have a video of the sonovabitch online too. i want to see how juicy it is.
GSD says:
October 23rd, 2006 at 7:08 pm *
I hope the Tidy Bowl Man can throw these creeps a live preserver, they’ll need it.
Tough life for the Tidy Bowl Man…always a full moon…
JEC @ 145
I’ve got my prayer wheels spinning…
GSD –
Love your comment @ 140.
Although I don’t think Santorum actually spouted threats of physical violence, the debate between him and Casey was uproariously funny.
Santorum’s blood pressure (and his VOICE) kept rising, and rising, and rising. And Casey just grinned at him and quietly repeated the same question (”why don’t you give back the money to the PA school district?” is what it was, I think) which had lit his fuse in the first place.
I thought Santorum was going to EXPLODE all over the stage, leaving behind a disgusting mess of…uh, Santorum…for others to clean up.
These thugs are going to be going ever more increasingly BONKERS in the days to come.
Watch out. Time to don a protective pith helmet, eh?
http://www.myleftnutmeg.com/sh…..iaryId=750
Joe Lieberman is a “Big Oil Republican”
by: thirdparty
Wed Mar 29, 2006 at 08:52:29 AM EST
Here’s the content of Lieberman’s radio ad via the Courant:
Facing a challenge from the Democratic left, the first commercial of Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman’s re-election campaign casts him as a fighter of “big-oil Republicans.”
Lieberman began airing a radio commercial Tuesday addressed to environmentalists, an important voting bloc in a Democratic primary.
Patty Pendergast, an environmentalist, talks in the commercial about Lieberman’s opposition to drilling for oil in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
“The Republicans, all they want to do is drill oil and they don’t see the ecosystem consequences,” Pendergast said. “Joe Lieberman had no problem standing up to the big-oil Republicans. He was the leader on the arctic refuge.”
Joe Lieberman voted for George Bush’s energy bill, which provided huge tax cuts to the same oil companies now reaping obscene billions in profits on the backs of consumers.
Joe Lieberman’s ninth largest campaign contributor this cycle is an energy company that California’s attorney general has called “Enron’s twin brother” and is being sued for $2 billion for ripping off California’s consumers.
Joe Lieberman came out against the Broadwater LNG proposal months after almost every other politician in the region from either party, and convieniently, right after Lamont’s challenge began to look like it was for real.
He votes for a damaging Republican energy policy that benefits Big Oil.
He takes over $40,000 and a private flight from a company that makes their profits ripping off energy consumers.
He’s wishy-washy on preserving Connecticut’s envirnonment when other politicans from both parties aren’t.
Joe is the “Big Oil Republican.”
I have to say my impression is one of being sorely let down by the Clintons regarding them not going to CT. to support Senator Lamont. But… it is not too late Hill and Bill.
http://lamontblog.blogspot.com…..empra.html
~~~Lieberman’s Ethics Problem: Sempra
On September 11th, 2005, the fourth anniversary of the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, most Americans’ minds were elsewhere: on the human suffering we had all witnessed on the streets of New Orleans and throughout the region in the preceding days.
Joe Lieberman’s mind was at least partially somewhere else entirely that day: on raising money for his campaign warchest. That day, Sempra, a California-based energy company that is Lieberman’s ninth largest campaign contributor this cycle with a total of over $40,000 in donations, flew Sen. Lieberman on a corporate jet from a 9/11 memorial event in New Jersey to Minneapolis so he could attend unspecified political fundraisers in Minnesota. Sempra was later reimbursed $1,271 for the expense, but before the end of the month, Sempra Trading (the company’s Stamford-based trading arm) and their executives subsequently donated tens of thousands of dollars to Lieberman’s campaign, in part by funneling $10,000 through an employee-associated and funded PAC ($5,000 for the general election as well as $5,000 for the primary).~~~
Just posted on the Lamont blog. There’s just soooo much to use against Lieberman
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To those who think Joe Lieberman was not for privatization of social security that Bush recommended, here are the words of former Senator Dan Coats who served with Lieberman on the Armed Services Committee:on August 7, 2000.
“First of all, Joe Lieberman’s a terrific fellow, and I’m a good friend. It’s hard to say anything negative about him, but I do think it raises the question about Al Gore, why he chose Joe Lieberman, because their positions on some of the key issues in this campaign, Social Security reform, education, national defense—Joe Lieberman’s much closer to George Bush than he is to Al Gore and how he’s going to finesse that or answer that I’m not exactly sure.”
“Well, as I said, on the fundamental issues of this campaign, Social Security, the privatization aspect of it, to allow individuals to set up private savings accounts, that is a position that Joe Lieberman and Governor Bush have taken.”
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb…..ss_8-7.htm
Oklahoma kiddo @ 7:17 pm (#150)
As is mine. You’d think after Ned visited Hill and Bill and managed to stay seated on that ski-slope couch of theirs, that the least they could do is show up for one or two campaign stops.
OT
If anyone comes across a clip of Olbermann’s highlight reel tonight of Bush saying ” Stay the Course” let me know. It was sweet . We’ll see if Jon can do better …… this one was pretty good.
Drop it in the ATTA BOY box here :
http://thank-you-keith-olbermann.blogspot.com/
T. Atkinson @ 6:36 pm (#79) for me, this race is the epitome of the political insiders against the people they represent. Joe had lobbyists up in arms against Ned, who simply had people trying to get their voice heard. Joe is supposed to represent Democratic voters, yet he thumbed his nose at them by running independent.
I have supported webb financially. It’s not as passionate for because Allen’s not a member of my party. I expect him to ignore me.
Cujo359 @ 153
I am disappointed in the Clintons too, but I do believe she’s hosting a fundraiser for him this week in manhattan.
Did anyone catch “sonovabitch” on tape?
Is that too much to hope for?
UpUptownNYChick @ 156
A fundraiser, in my opinion, is below the minimum of what Hillary and Bill should be doing for Ned.
President Clinton had time to go to Connecticut to campaign for Lieberman, why can’t he do it for the actual Democratic nominee, Ned Lamont?
Here’s the link to the full debate video. The audio is also available.
Franco @ 121
Oh, *I* see! They’re in a position to blackmail Ned by withholding what’s lawfully required until something that’s not lawfully required is produced. Makes perfect sense in an Orwellian kind of way.
COLORADO BOB @
154
Bob, are you talking about the one already up at Crooks and Liars?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 150
I’m no Hillary fan, BUT…. She did say she would do anything the Lamont campaign asked of her. So did they ask? Just sayin’
Negative Ads
http://nedlamont.com/blog/1920/negative-ads
~~~CLAIM: “Ned’s ads are lies and distort my record.” – Joe Lieberman, 10/23/06
FACT: The New Haven Register reported on 10/22/06 that national political advertising expert David Mark, author of “Going Dirty: The Art of Negative Campaigning,” said: “I would say that I think the Lamont attacks are absolutely fair game. There is a lot of hypocrisy on Lieberman’s part. [Source: New Haven Register, 10/22/06]~~~
grandmatoo:
That was an interesting list of big recipients of largess from Big Energy: the only non-Rs were Bingaman (D) and Lieberman (I).
Brownandserve @
136
All you have to do is type in your name and e-mail address, then type your comment.
1,313 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Firepups and other patriots:
Larouche spent time in prison for some kinda fraud or bunko fund raisin stuff. There have been theories that he got his quite substantial funding base from the CIA…it wouldn’t surprise me if Rove and the Scaife folks hooked ‘im up and recharged ‘im to disrupt the debate and take the focus offa Joe Limpdick’s poor performance.
KEEP THE FAITH AND WATCH THE RATS DROWN IN THEIR OWN JACUZZIS
scarecrow @ 165
I realized that eventually. Duh. Oh well, thanks to those who posted.
Brown&Serve – the Independent article identifies the hecklers are Larouche folks … they do good reporting and have run into the Larouche crazies before.
MikeCT –
Thank you VERY much for the link to the full debate. I had to miss it and now I can watch it when I can set aside time for that purpose. Much appreciated!
RBG –
Thanks for the Crooks and Liars link!
[Although, I’d like to suggest that everyone (also) go to Keith’s page here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/
From there, whenever you choose one of his special commentaries, you have a choice to “email this” — in our house we like to do that, email it around, and also download it, so that MSNBC can see just how popular Keith’s comments are.
Just an alternative suggestion.]
T. Atkinson, I think that’s a fair question. I started reading FDL becuase of the Plame affair, and back when that was fresh, Red and Jane had the best commentary that was easy on the bandwidth. I was firewalled at work, so I read with my cellphone and focused on pages that were heavy on content and light on fluff and advertizing. Kos was out, rawstory was too. But FDL and TNH both were guaranteed to have daily updates about Judy’s perfidity and guesses about whose name was redacted from the court papers that Fitzgerald filed that day, and in those days there were no blogads or anything else, because we were all still over at blogspot.
That’s where this blog started, folks- the Plame affair. But this Lamont push has taken on a life of its own- and I for one can’t give a for-sure answer why. Perhaps this is a demonstration of how the Legistature can move faster than the Judiciary, and why it’s better to have conservative courts and activist Congress? (The implied answer is: becuase it takes so damn long for anything to happen in the courts, that it doesn’t matter in the end which way the judges lean).
Anyhow. Liberman is the poster-child for the DINO faction of Congress- and here’s another tutorial for you. DINO = Demoncrat In Name Only, and Rape Gurney Joe is the blue-ribbon first-place winner. I think it was his vote for cloture on Scalito that pushed the FDL community right over the edge. Since then, the consensus is, that bitch is dead meat.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 150
You are in in fine company Oklahoma Kiddo – including we California dems who continue to beg DiFi to head to CT and give Ned some support. No point at all to ask Boxer for she made it shamefully clear she loves her some Joe Liarman. Aghhhhhh! Its their party and they just let us pretend they give a hoot what we grass roots constituents think. All the more reason to cheer Ned Lamont on as we rebuild our poorly served party.
*xyz @
84
It looked to me like Joe shrugged and sortof implied yes but didn’t say anything. Basically, he left wiggle room and we know how that works with him.
KEEP THE FAITH AND WATCH THE RATS DROWN IN THEIR OWN JACUZZIS
Norske, luv –
You’re one of the few who manage to SIMULTANEOUSLY motivate me deeply and crack me the hell up.
Thanks!
RagingGurrl @
141
Exactly. Maybe even more so. It would also be a direct hit to the complacent and the collaborators in the Democratic party. The insiders are shaking in their beltway.
The problem with Joe is only in part the fact that his voting record sucks at representing “the will of the people” (both Republicans and Democrats routinely attack his record); a much greater problem his how well his voting record aligns with the will of his paymasters.
Joe is an iconic sell-out, and taking him down will send a much needed message to all the other sold out polls and wananbe sellouts. This race isn’t really even Republican vs. Democrat (witness the debates); it’s deeply corrupt fat cats vs. their actual bosses, the American people.
Guess which side most of us are rooting for?
–MarkusQ
Clinton, who has already contributed $5,000 from her political action committee to the Lamont campaign, offered to host a fundraising event for Lamont and help out with other fundraising. No date or location was set for the fundraiser, Wolfson said.
“She’ll do whatever works for the campaign,” he added.
http://www.boston.com/news/loc…..Boston.com / News / Local
Stephen King aint afeared of Al Qaeda, but an unfettered Bush gives him the frights.
-GSD
My view remains that Establishment Democrats will continue to do nothing or next to nothing to help get Lamont elected. Seriously, whose position on Iraq is closer to that of Hillary or Schumer? Lieberman or Lamont. On economic issues, is Big Dawg more like Lieberman? (Hint: Yes) And for all of his backstabbing ways, Lieberman is still a member of the club of 100, which is also why Harry Reid and Barbara Boxer make all nice with him. That he is likely to kick dirt in all their faces if he gets elected doesn’t matter. It should but it doesn’t. Hey, they wouldn’t be DINOs if it did.
Cozumel @ 162
One thing that does cross my mind is the seemingly divergent views of Senator Clinton concerning continuation of the Iraq war and Lamont’s perspective on the matter. So perhaps this might factor into the minimal interaction between Hillary and Ned. However, politics sometimes does indeed make for strange bed fellows. I still would conclude that visits, certainly by former President Clinton, would have been, and would be of great help to Mr. Lamont. Support for Lamont from the Clintons has seemed tepid at best.
http://www.myleftnutmeg.com/sh…..aryId=4045
OT debate, OnTopic Lieberman- worth a read- just the intro snippet here- details follow in the post–
~~~Do a little midday phone banking to seniors and you’ll quickly discover that many Connecticut seniors do not know to what extent Joe Lieberman has deserted them and the extent to which his all-important ties to the big drug companies work directly against their interests.
I would like to encourage you to make a special effort to reach out to seniors in your neighborhood to educate them to the many and varied ways, through sins of both omission and commission, Joe Lieberman is screwing them.~~~
Valley Girl @ 163
Wow, that deserves a larger post and spotlighting to the CT media.
RBG @ 161
HOT DAMN! That’s got to be the best one he’s EVER done.
Down here in the deep red states I had no idea that they had recovered more remains. I grieve again for the lost.
ha ha, Kos is down right now from Qwest in Oregon. Guess their load-testing must have hit the failover point again.
P J Evans 164 — heh. I see you noted Lieberman’s position in the Top 20 energy-money recipients, too.
In 2006, Joe’s #17 out of 20 — that’s ALL RECIPIENTS.
Includes the entire Congress and any presidential campaigns that might be opening up.
scarecrow @ 180
Scarecrow- I went and found the original article, and this quote is buried at the bottom, amidst a lot of other stuff- pro and con, so alas, I don’t think it would make for good spotlighting, much as I wish it were so.
Interesting. Since the loooonnggg question posed at 79 by T. Atkinson a number of folks have left responses. I don’t recall seeing his/her response to any of them… Just noticing…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 178
I’m of the opinion that Lamont being down in the polls is somehow the Clinton’s fault is bunk. Appearances may, and probably do, help with fundraising, and that’s it. In the end, It’s Lamont running against Lieberman, period
Disclaimer: I donated to Lamont, twice.
Don’t get EPU’d: new thread upstairs
smiley @
170
If I had to give a reason as to why we chose to focus on the Lamont/Lieberman race you would have to go back to the Alito fight.
Lieberman and Chafee were key in putting Alito on the bench. We’re a blog primarily run by women who care a lot about choice and women’s issues. If Stevens retires and nobody made Joe or Chafee pay a price for their cloture votes, we’d wind up with a 5-4 court and choice going down.
We thought we’d be mired in the Chafee race at this point but the Club for Growth did it for us. That leaves Lieberman (challenging Ben Nelson was stupid, Susan Collins hopeless).
Here’s a little homework assignment for FirePups; I think there’s more energy-related money than that indicated in the excerpt in Jane’s II update. Do any of you recognize any of these companies as energy-industry vendors?
Joe’s Top Contributors (PAC’s)
Lehman Brothers $144,250
United Technologies $133,650
Purdue Pharma $92,000
Aetna Inc $75,950
Citigroup Inc $73,450
Hartford Financial Services $72,100
UBS AG $70,300
Irell & Manella $69,200
Sempra Energy $60,050
Goldman Sachs $54,900
Guardsmark Inc $51,200
Wise Metals Group $49,000
Plastech Engineered Products $46,000
National Westminster Bank $44,500
St Paul Travelers Companies $43,319
Kleiner, Perkins et al $39,600
Credit Suisse Group $36,350
Duty Free Americas $36,000
Schiffrin & Barroway $35,550
Merrill Lynch $35,150
Seems to me that United Technologies is a double-play, for example; UTC has not only substantive interests in military equipment, but in power production.
Can any of you see similar connections in any of the other top contributors?
Valley Girl @ 184
Sorry, I wasn’t clear. If Christy or Jane do a post on this particular point, then we can spotlight their post from here. Or those of us with kos diaries can put up something and then spotlight that from kos, using the Spotlight link. I didn’t mean we would try to spotlight the entire original article itself, cause there’s no way to do that. Spotlight only works an a limited list of progressive blogs.
What worries me is that Kerry won ALL three debates and Stupid (who was wired) still won the election.
Ah…Sempra Energy looks like it might have been a merger of San Diego Gas & Electric Co. and Southern California Gas Co.
Wonder if those were Enron’s clients/vendors?
Hmm.
Marion in Savannah @ 185
Not even a thank you from Mr. Atkinson? hmmmm – you’d think a Marylander would have better manners – being a southern state and all – oh wait maybe he said he was from Virginia – still southern.
T. Atkinson #79,
My answer would be that Joe Lieberman has come to symbolize everything that’s wrong with the Democratic Party. Instead of being an opposition party and a voice raised against the most extensive assault on our rights and our intelligence by the most corrupt, criminal, and incompetent Administration in our history, Democrats rolled over like a dog wanting its tummy rubbed. And of all the Democrats who enabled and gave cover to this madness, Joe Lieberman was number one. With whiny sanctimony, he castigated Clinton’s peccadillos but for Bush’s trashing of the Constitution and his endless litany of disasters, he has had nothing but praise. He represents the elected official who remembers he has constituents only around election time and only as much as is necessary. He stands for nothing outside his own desire to retain his office, an office to which he feels entitled. He has an 18 year record which he is running from, not on. He feels free to lecture everyone else about their morals but never questions the morality of his own win-at-all-costs philosophy. He is the epitome of the hollow man and the sickness that afflicts the Democratic Party, our politics, and our country.
Rayne @ 189
They’re all interrelated in some way or another–the financial services and banks and brokerage houses all have a stake in energy deregulation–particularly with the repeal of the energy services holding companies law (which was part of the 2005 energy bill). Wise Metals is a supplier to the industry. Guardsmark supplies guards to a whole host of industries–and has a particular interest in privatization of government operations and anti-union legislation. Sempra is an energy and energy trading company.
It’s all of piece. Joe’s always been on the side of business–that’s why Republicans in his state support him to a higher degree than Democrats. Joe’s a whore for anyone in the establishment.
Rayne @ 189
Well, obviously Sempra — which owns Southern California Gas company, the gas distributor in LA and San Diego; San Diego Gas and Electric Company, the local gas and electric utility in San Diego (and a former client). But Sempra has also purchased power plants in other states, including New England, and has electricity trading operations in New England — hence, their interest in New England congresscritters.
There are also some financial houses on the list who also get involved in financing, and sometimes owning energy facilities, including power plants in New England. These folks would have been interested in those sections of the Energy Bill that dealt with FERC and the NE ISO capacity payments issue (remember Joe’s claim in the pre-primary debate about saving $800 millions?)
But more important, Sempra is also a strong advocate of LNG facilities — it owns gas distribution utilities — so the LNG facility in Long Island Sound would have been their interest. I don’t follow LNG, but what the LNG folks wanted was to make sure that the federal regulators (FERC), not state regulators, had the final say on LNG terminals, and that’s exactly what the Energy Bill did.
The rest of list seems dominated by financial/insurance and/or pharma corporations, and Joe’s always been involved with pharma an insurance insterests in his state.
In addition to multiple blog confirmations, The Day confirms that the hecklers were LaRouche nuts.
Jane’s next thread on the debate is now up, and there is also a Late-nite thread. Take your pick.
Jane’s next thread on debate
David Olsen @
64
lol
LOL
Rayne,
This is interesting.
http://www.corpwatch.org/artic…..mp;type=14
United Technologies
“The name sounds like they make light bulbs, but UT, a.k.a. Sikorsky, sells Black Hawk and Comanche helicopters and various missile systems designed to inspire terror in civilians from Palestine to Colombia to Somalia and beyond.”
They had a plant here in this area, automotive division, but it was moved to Mexico, iirc.
Christy Hardin Smith @
92
Yesssssss!
No way I can catch up on this thread, plus there’s LateNite upstairs, so I’m just gonna say I think NED won this debate hands down, Alan did really well, and RGJoe is drowning in his own suckitude. I posted more comments on the WTNH blog, since those might get checked by the local journos.
But, oh what crappy questioning! If you’re gonna ask about a particular mailed piece, dude, read what the piece sez.
And was that really George Steph, or just a holographic projection? Oddest stage lighting on a short person I’ve ever seen.
More debates, with a cardboard cutout — or maybe the KISS Float — onstage with Ned and Alan if RGJoe won’t show.
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Had The Fuck Enough Connecticut?
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ya know I’m really starting to wonder if Joe was bought and paid for in 2000 and helped throw the election in favor of the Neo-cons and Herr Bush
Why hasn’t Ned made an ad attacking Joe Lieberman for rubberstamping Michael “Heckuvajob” Brown’s appointment as deputy FEMA director?
Holy Joe even had plaudits to say about Brownie.
Then Brownie was made boss and he contributed to the debacle of the Katrina Disaster.
Holy Joe was asleep at the wheel when he approved Brown and a great American city suffered because of it.
Ned, lose the milquetoast Democratic consultants/strategists that have failed so many times in the past and just be yourself!
the pipes! the pipes! Courage to our warriors and confusion to our foes!!!!
Hope my laptop has a new power source tomorrow so I can watch the whole debate.
We’ll never know of course, but I’d love to hear what Ned says to Lieberman when he calls to concede, after Lieberman called him a sonuvabitch to his face.
Would be great to get confirmation on Lieberman’s quote (to Ned).
Interesting how “nice guy” Joe turns into Dick “Go Fuck Yourself” Cheney when someone challenges him on his record.
Hey Joe, cry us a river, you hack.
Rayne @ 189
Goldman Sachs owns a company called Magellan, which operates a gasoline distribution facility(large group of tanks where ships unload, tanker trucks load) on New Haven harbor.
I grew up off of Long Island Sound. The thought of heavy petroleum industry off of what I consider home… go fuck yourself, Joe, and the lobbyist you rode in on.
“You goddamned son of a bitch, how dare you accuse me of voting for the Energy Bill because I got a contribution.”
– Joe Lieberman to Ned Lamont, after losing another debate, Oct. 23, 2006
In addition to the financial support that Lieberman’s anti-Lamont campaign is getting from the Friends of Karl Rove — reclusive Texas Republican billionaire, Robert J. Perry (who also funded the Swiftboating of John Kerry), Florida Republican centi-millionaire drug-treatment magnate and ex-Bush Ambassador to Italy, Mel Sembler, former Oklahoma Republican Senator Don Nickles, and Joseph Allbaugh, the 2000 Bush-Cheney Republican National Campaign Manager (and former head of FEMA), Joe is also getting hefty corporate donations from Energy, Defense, Insurance, and Pharmaceutical giants — Bechtel, Raytheon, Honeywell, Constellation Energy, AT&T, American Bankers Association (remember the bankruptcy bill?), MetLife, John Hancock, Allstate, Farmers, GlaxoSmithKline, Pfizer, and yes, the Northeast Utilities Employees.
Guess what, those people didn’t have to buy Joe’s vote. They just put the corporate green in his campaign pockets and Joe voted his “conscience” and his “principles”. Strange how those business interests just happened to coincide with Joe’s thinking on those same issues. Now, Joe takes mortal umbrage and bitches and whines that anyone could even suggest that there might be a connection between campaign contributions and his votes (or, for that matter, what political party he chooses if he wins). Methinks the Senator doth protest a bit too much.
For the record, Joe Lieberman was the only “Democratic” Senator from the Northeast to vote for the Cheney-Bush Energy Bill. Coincidence? I think not.
Dems screwed it up completely immediately after the primary in not beating up Joe a lot harder to pull out. They then screwed up again by not yanking Joe’s seniority. That gave Joe some credibility to stay in the Senate as a Democrat. Maybe they can still fix it without looking like idiots, but it would have been better much earlier. Unfortunately they are triangulating weenies and they wanted Lieberman re-elected, or at least were afraid to piss him off in case he did get re-elected.
For the folks asking why this race is so important– see this diary for the “netroots” angle:
http://dailykos.com/story/2006/10/20/14058/627
In more pragmatic terms, JL was constantly undermining the Dems in public, with his Faux News appearances and so forth. If reelected he will be a right-wing Republican.
The Lieberman hubris factor is way off the charts. How dare anyone question his actions and motives? Next thing you know, his camp will be proclaiming that he “works in mysterious ways.”
Yes. I know!
*xyz @ 143
My notes on the debate.
(1) I am glad Ned got angry. The questions were a just a wee bit biased and played into Lieberman’s field. & watching Lieberman stand there in his smug passive aggressive manner was too much for me. He’s an embarrassment to CT and people need to realize that.
(2) I watched the debate with a group of people of many different backgrounds and Alan Schlesinger’s comments about terrorist threats came off as racist. He did all but mention “Mexicans” as part of the war on terrorism.
(3) Notice how Lamont had the only sane comments on Iran. Do Lieberman and Schlesinger really think they can do an Iraq on a country that is China’s fuel supplier. I think not. If they do they are crazy and a danger to this country.
(4) Lieberman’s body language. Did anyone see Lieberman blink when he lied about his record on social security, habeus corpus etc.? I thought liars were supposed to blink. I noticed he was working his jaw a little when Alan Schlessinger was giving one of his performance art pieces, but I couldn’t make heads or tale out of what that meant.
Jacqrat @ 2
How about Lamontum??
John @ 215
I think Joe just got “NEDucated”. And I’m all for the public getting more “Neducation”…
OMG-the video! It’s like a mid-19th century torchlight parade. Is Joe going to be tarred and feathered next?
“T. Atkinson #79″
I’m English, I’ve been around a lot of blogs for quite a while, pre-Chimpy even.
I’ve always been fascinated by the American zeitgeist and the way it can be catapulted into blowback.
It has been obvious from the start that the fix was in, events since have merely reinforced the blindingly obvious.
I have observed signs of an awakening from the reverie and in a sense the Nomentum to Joementum exemplifies that.
I have taken more than a casual interest in this character for quite a while, more so after I was stunned to discover he was actually going to be a VP candidate, and not for GWB.
I use him as a touchstone, in my opinion he denotes the very worst aspects of ‘politicians’.
All politicians masquerade, it’s part of the game; however, pretending to be A when you’re actually Z, or more appositely ME, and being proud of that duplicity, well…
I discovered FDL through following his ‘progress’. You cannot begin to imagine my astonishment when he petulantly refused to accept the results of the Primary and yet he is still in the race.
My astonishment is obviously NOT because Joeicide petulantly refused to accept the result of the Primary.
There is so much darkness over there that over here any little light is hope that our American friends will pull back from the abyss.
That’s it, he’s emblematic, let’s hope his defeat becomes symbolic.
I have tried several times to look at the COMPLETE list of Joe’s financial supporters. I am not so much interested in the corporate as I am in the individual ones. Is there anyone at FDL who can provide the link for this information and would they kindly do so? I went to the FEC but I couldn’t get the information I need.
By way of introduction, I am a big supporter of Ned–I have sent him money and will be spending time with the campaign for the last 10 days. Regretably, I could not commit more time to him–but I live in Massachusetts.
Ned’s campaign did 2 things wrong after the primary–he went off to Maine and he brought in “consultants from DC”. I am 57 years old, and I have been on some of the biggest campaigns in this country, and I am convinced that it is a waste of resources to turn to consultants. They have their own agendas–which is usually a very large consulting fee and they bring little or nothing to the candidate.
Running a campaign is exhausting–but Ned should have kept going.
I know he is very tired but you have to keep the tension and momentum going. Had I been on the staff I would have advised against it.
Ned needs to get Bill Clinton and Al Gore in to the state ASAP. He should also pour as much money as possible into the race with ads about the energy bill. I cannot stand Lieberman–he needs to go.
Thanks for allowing me to express my opinion. I look forward to meeting some of you on the campaign trail.
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’sconset, welcome to FDL. We love hearing about campaigns and what works and what doesn’t. You won’t meet me on the campaign trail this year – I live in Kulifohnia (damn, I wish he’d learn to pronounce it right) – but you will meet many others.
Come back soon.
g1lgam3sh @ 219
It’s very interesting to read your point of view from the outside, thanks for sharing it.
I’m not sure Joe is just a politician. There is something darker going on here. An unyielding blinded support of zionism mixed with an steady march toward totalitarian rule(tired of partisan politics = one party). Joe’s sources of financial and political support are troubling.
“I’m not sure Joe is just a politician. There is something darker going on here. An unyielding blinded support of zionism mixed with an steady march toward totalitarian rule(tired of partisan politics = one party). Joe’s sources of financial and political support are troubling.”
Quite.
“Joe’s losing it.”
Yeah right. He’s pulled so far ahead Lamont will be lucky to get 35% Congratulations, Netholes, on making Lieberman even more self-righteous, and even more powerful.