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	<title>Comments on: Where&#8217;s the Journal, Joe?</title>
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		<title>By: Joan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/22/wheres-the-journal-joe/#comment-346535</link>
		<dc:creator>Joan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-345703&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Anne @ 54 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;John Casper, with all due respect, I think you are really reaching on the vote-buying thing.  Joe’s run a terrible campaign, he’s got some real jerks working for him, but checking with the precinct to see how someone voted?  You can’t even be serious that a campaign would actually leave a trail of breadcrumbs right up to the voting booth - and please, tell me how someone from the campaign would be able to access a person’s vote, and do it in a way that the precinct judges and elections supervisors wouldn’t know it was being done.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And you can’t tell me that not even one person who was given cash and told he or she had to vote for Joe would not have blabbed to the media about it by now - or even on primary day.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sorry, just not buying it, at least not the way you’ve laid it out.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jon Corzines 2000 Senate campaign in New Jersey bought votes with cigarettes.  This kind of money - $387,000 - wasn’t spent to get people to go into the voting booth.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This kind of slush fund gets paid out in amounts like $5,000 or $10,000 to local pols and “community leaders.”  It is bribe money.  Is there any solid reason to believe the money went out right before the primary rather than right AFTER the primary in order to keep certain people on board with Lieberman?  Is there any reason to believe it was all given out rather than kept as a slush fund to be paid out as needed?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And if people (pols and community leaders) don’t like those implications, let them call a press conference demanding a thorough investigation to clear the air of suspicion.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-345703"><em>Anne @ 54 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>John Casper, with all due respect, I think you are really reaching on the vote-buying thing.  Joe’s run a terrible campaign, he’s got some real jerks working for him, but checking with the precinct to see how someone voted?  You can’t even be serious that a campaign would actually leave a trail of breadcrumbs right up to the voting booth &#8211; and please, tell me how someone from the campaign would be able to access a person’s vote, and do it in a way that the precinct judges and elections supervisors wouldn’t know it was being done.  </p>
<p>And you can’t tell me that not even one person who was given cash and told he or she had to vote for Joe would not have blabbed to the media about it by now &#8211; or even on primary day.</p>
<p>Sorry, just not buying it, at least not the way you’ve laid it out.</p>
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<p>Jon Corzines 2000 Senate campaign in New Jersey bought votes with cigarettes.  This kind of money &#8211; $387,000 &#8211; wasn’t spent to get people to go into the voting booth.  </p>
<p>This kind of slush fund gets paid out in amounts like $5,000 or $10,000 to local pols and “community leaders.”  It is bribe money.  Is there any solid reason to believe the money went out right before the primary rather than right AFTER the primary in order to keep certain people on board with Lieberman?  Is there any reason to believe it was all given out rather than kept as a slush fund to be paid out as needed?  </p>
<p>And if people (pols and community leaders) don’t like those implications, let them call a press conference demanding a thorough investigation to clear the air of suspicion.</p>
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		<title>By: gchaucer2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/22/wheres-the-journal-joe/#comment-346033</link>
		<dc:creator>gchaucer2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let’s just say that a “volunteer” was paid $100 per day for 14 days — that person is not a volunteer, rather an independent contractor and should have been specifically listed as such, rather than receiving pay out of a slush fund.  Other contractors are listed in the filing.  This stinks.  I hope Schlesinger bites him in the ass with it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let’s just say that a “volunteer” was paid $100 per day for 14 days — that person is not a volunteer, rather an independent contractor and should have been specifically listed as such, rather than receiving pay out of a slush fund.  Other contractors are listed in the filing.  This stinks.  I hope Schlesinger bites him in the ass with it.</p>
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		<title>By: mui</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/22/wheres-the-journal-joe/#comment-346020</link>
		<dc:creator>mui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-345954&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;RevDeb @ 97 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;When we worked for Ned we were given $5. on election day for lunch. We had to sign for it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hey man, I’d rather drink Ned’s Dunkin Donuts coffee *anyday* than eat HoJoe’s sushi.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-345954"><em>RevDeb @ 97 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>When we worked for Ned we were given $5. on election day for lunch. We had to sign for it.</p>
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<p>Hey man, I’d rather drink Ned’s Dunkin Donuts coffee *anyday* than eat HoJoe’s sushi.</p>
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		<title>By: kohodog</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/22/wheres-the-journal-joe/#comment-345985</link>
		<dc:creator>kohodog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-345727&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Greg @&lt;br /&gt;
                75              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Looking at the math, it’s interesting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;$75,000 equals 750 person days at $100/day.&lt;br /&gt;
$135,000 equals 1350 person days at $100/day&lt;br /&gt;
$387,000 equals 3870 person days at $100/day.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, if you have 387 people on the staff spending $100/day, you could have them for 100 days? (And that’s at the MAXIMUM of $100/day. At say, $50/day, we’re talking 1500, 2700 and 7740 person days…)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know what the logistics are, but that seems pretty wild to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyone have a better feel for how many people for how long?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-Greg&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;OR, Could it be 3870 “voulnteers” who happened to vote for Joe?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-345727"><em>Greg @<br />
                75              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Looking at the math, it’s interesting.</p>
<p>$75,000 equals 750 person days at $100/day.<br />
$135,000 equals 1350 person days at $100/day<br />
$387,000 equals 3870 person days at $100/day.</p>
<p>So, if you have 387 people on the staff spending $100/day, you could have them for 100 days? (And that’s at the MAXIMUM of $100/day. At say, $50/day, we’re talking 1500, 2700 and 7740 person days…)</p>
<p>I don’t know what the logistics are, but that seems pretty wild to me.</p>
<p>Anyone have a better feel for how many people for how long?</p>
<p>-Greg</p>
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<p>OR, Could it be 3870 “voulnteers” who happened to vote for Joe?</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“egregiously violating federal law…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oooh!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And good morning.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“egregiously violating federal law…”</p>
<p>Oooh!</p>
<p>And good morning.</p>
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		<title>By: RevDeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevDeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When we worked for Ned we were given $5. on election day for lunch. We had to sign for it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we worked for Ned we were given $5. on election day for lunch. We had to sign for it.</p>
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		<title>By: pseudonymous in nc</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/22/wheres-the-journal-joe/#comment-345952</link>
		<dc:creator>pseudonymous in nc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EPU’d, but could someone wear a Johnny Cash t-shirt to the debate with ‘JOHNNY’ pasted over with ‘PETTY’?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;mailto:troll@93:&quot;&gt;troll@93:&lt;/a&gt; remind me never to eat your apple pie, because it’s bound to be stuffed full of oranges.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EPU’d, but could someone wear a Johnny Cash t-shirt to the debate with ‘JOHNNY’ pasted over with ‘PETTY’?</p>
<p><a href="mailto:troll@93:">troll@93:</a> remind me never to eat your apple pie, because it’s bound to be stuffed full of oranges.</p>
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		<title>By: deandra</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/22/wheres-the-journal-joe/#comment-345942</link>
		<dc:creator>deandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 10:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Where did the $15  million raised come from Joe?  Exactly WHO are these unidentified contributors?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did the $15  million raised come from Joe?  Exactly WHO are these unidentified contributors?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Steckel</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/22/wheres-the-journal-joe/#comment-345930</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Steckel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-345649&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Balrog @&lt;br /&gt;
                5              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Spotlight is doing it to the $387K.  Showing up as 7K.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All fixed. Sorry for the problems.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-345649"><em>Balrog @<br />
                5              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Spotlight is doing it to the $387K.  Showing up as 7K.</p>
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<p>All fixed. Sorry for the problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Snookie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/22/wheres-the-journal-joe/#comment-345911</link>
		<dc:creator>Snookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 07:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And yet there’s never been an full accounting of FDL donations…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Firedog Lake: Where irony is never in short supply.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet there’s never been an full accounting of FDL donations…</p>
<p>Firedog Lake: Where irony is never in short supply.</p>
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