
I've always maintained that the lefty blogosphere appears to be more cohesive than it actually is because we've been united together in opposition to the mind-numbing irrationality of people who think a petri dish full of blastocycts is worth more than the life of a two year-old child, or someone suffering from Parkinson's disease, or that over half a million dead is an acceptable price to pay for a bungled war if they happen to be Iraqis who did not greet us with flowers.
But if in time there is some sort of pendulum shift and we do switch into a mode where it's possible for Democrats to take a proactive stance rather than just play defense, our differences will become more apparent. And battle lines will start to emerge over stuff like this:
One thing to keep your eye on is emerging tensions inside the Democratic Party which find their locus in the persons of Nancy Pelosi and Rahm Emmannuel. Essentially, the way the centrist side of the argument is trying to set things up, insofar as the election returns are in some sense disappointing, this will be blamed on Pelosi, Leader of the House Democrats. But insofar as the election returns are encouraging, credit belongs to Emmannuel, Architect of the Great Victory. Damned if she does and damned if she doesn't, in other words. This Bull Moose post gives you a good example of the genre. He's expecting big things for the Democrats, and hails the wisdom of the House Democratic leadership, with said leadership comprised apparently of Emmannuel and Steny Hoyer. Pelosi, a liberal who thought invading Iraq was a bad idea before it was cool, who also happens to be the actual leader of the caucus, doesn't come into play.
Hoyer was a major proponent of the bankruptcy bill, and someone whose position on Iraq was sculpted by political calculation. According to a recent profile in the Washington Monthly:
Unlike Pelosi, he voted to authorize Bush to invade Iraq. Then, last November, after Murtha—a longtime Pelosi ally who had run her whip campaign in 2000—called for an immediate withdrawal, Hoyer and Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) urged Pelosi not to join Murtha, arguing that doing so would hurt Democrats politically. The leader’s camp reacted angrily. George Miller, Pelosi’s best friend in Congress, accused Hoyer of trying to undermine her. Murtha ordered Rep. Joe Crowley (D-N.Y.), a close Hoyer ally, “tell your friend Hoyer” to stop stirring up trouble, then gave a speech in which he defended his call for withdrawal, saying he was more concerned with saving lives than with playing politics, and “looking right at Hoyer,” according to a Democratic aide quoted in The Hill. Pelosi did ultimately back Murtha, but Hoyer, voicing the concerns of more conservative Democrats, prevailed on her to allow members to come up with their own positions on the issue. And on the day that Pelosi announced her support for withdrawal, Hoyer released a statement of his own, declaring that “a precipitous withdrawal of American forces in Iraq could lead to disaster, spawning a civil war, fostering a haven for terrorists and damaging our nation’s security and credibility.”
I don't know how the power structure will shake out in the House, but I'm going to invoke Bill Maher here (video at Crooks & Liars). He was talking about think tanks, but I think the same thing goes for politicians:
Maher: And finally, new rule in two parts: (A) You can't call yourself a think tank if all your ideas are stupid; and (B) If you're someone from one of these think tanks that dreamed up the Iraq War and who predicted that we'd be greeted as liberators, and that we wouldn't need a lot of troops, and that Iraqi oil would pay for the war, that the WMD's would be found, that the looting wasn't problematic, that the mission was accomplished, that the insurgency was in its last throes, that things would get better after the people voted, after the government was formed, after we got Saddam, after we got his kids, after we got Zarqawi, and that whole bloody mess wouldn't turn into a civil war, you have to stop making predictions.
Lord knows there aren't many of them, but I would like to begin looking for leadership from the members of the party who got it right. I know it's a novel idea, but really, I just don't understand why we want to be led by someone responsible for that kind of collosal fuckup, who really just ought to cop to awfully bad judgment and STFU about Iraq.
I am aware, however, that there are those who admire these men for their "political pragmatism," and I can see over time that these differences could start to define us. Bush was often times right when he called himself a "uniter not a divider," though perhaps not in quite the way he meant.
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Jane!
Howard Dean!
I seem to recall a Dilbert cartoon explaining that the bigger the fuckup you are responsible for, the more you are prized for your “experience”.
Shorter Late Night: Throw out the deadwood.
I agree.
That is one classic smackdown from Maher. Damn!
Eli @ 2
That wasn’t Dilbert, it was Michael Brown.
Pelosi/Dean ‘07
Someone has to take over after Impeachment…!
EvilDrPuma @ 6
Life imitates ‘bert.
Swopa @
5
It was pretty righteous. It was a stretch but I had to work it in.
Getting Republicans out of office is just the beginning. We have lots of work to do. We must thoroughly obliterate the conservative agenda, which has sickened and destroyed everything it’s touched. Weak-kneed “centrist” Dems need to get the message that they must uphold progressive values in order to win re-election. Conservative Dems who engage in behavior that undermines our progressive cause must be ousted from the party.
Is it just me, or does Bull Moose have much more bull about him than moose….?
I loved Howie’s comment on an earlier thread as to how the House candidates who had been hung out to dry by Emanuel hated him… I think he did used that word- and come the time that they get elected… I am certainly gonna watch the fallout from that…
Marion in Savannah @ 11
At risk of treason to my biological sex:
That’s what testosterone does.
From EPU — David Brooks, behind tomorrow’s NYT wall, worries that we’ll weed out the “moderate” Repubs too.
Gosh, I’m gonna miss Shays’ tortured insights about Abu Ghraib.
Valley Girl @ 12
As you should.
EvilDrPuma @ 15
Same to you!
Rahm just sucks. No spine whatsoever. Classic politician, leans whichever way the wind blows. And Bill Maher is underwhelming, let’s too much republican bullshit propaganda through on his program. I’m not asking him to support us, just to call bullshit when required.
Politics is in the cliche called the art of compromise.
But really it is knowing when to compromise, when to capitulate, when to storm the castle and when to put the shiv in your erstwhile compatriot.
Compromise worked for a while under Bush I. The DLC won in their time with capitulation and overplayed their hand. Now the blogosphere and the rest of the vast unwashed left are storming the gates.
The next step is evident.
The sequence plays out in all politics from the most revolutionary to the most genteel. It just shows its teeth in different ways.
There is nothing new under the sun.
EvilDrPuma, I seriously doubt it’s a testosterone issue. I think it’s much more of a “stupider than shit” issue… I’ve been around WAY too much intelligent testosterone in my life to blame Bull Moose on testosterone!
Story about Hoyer. Back in something like 1988 I was very active in the movment to oppose the political use of psychiatry in the then Soviet Union. A personal friend of mine had been in one of these hell holes for four years.
As part of detente, a group of Soviet Psychiatrists were invited to the US. Not just any Soviet Psychiatrists, but those personally involved in the infamous Serbsky institute. One of them had personally supervised the torture of my friend. In other words, he would have come to the US with the blood still wet upon his hands.
At that time I lived in Maryland so I went to both Sarbannes and Mikulski’s officies. Their aides were absolutely aghast that such a thing had been arranged, especially Mikulski.
Hoyer’s aides were all for the visit. They just dismissed my friend’s concerns, or the suggestion that there were not the sort of Soviet bureaucrats who should get an all expense paid trip to the US. Hoyer’s office thought such visits could gradually moderate Soviet behavior.
In the end, through the efforts of Mikulski and Sarbannes the visit was delayed and the man who tortured my friend was ultimately tossed off the all expense paid tour of the US.
After that I didn’t have much use for Hoyer.
paul @ 18
Yup. Sometimes compromise is tantamount to treason. For examples, look at the last six years.
From the sound of it, there’s going to be a battle royale for Speaker if the Dems do take the House. Emmanuel and Hoyer against the world.
Emmanuel’s tried to turn his Dem election office into a cash machine, so, if he prevails, I would expect him to do the same with the Speaker’s office.
Just what the country needs–a cheaper-suit version of cheap-suit Denny Hastert.
Marion in Savannah @ 19
Intelligent Testosterone is just religious libidinalism wrapped up in scientific jargon. I much prefer the Darwinian struggle of hormone vs. hormone. May the strongest gland prevail!
Dear Jane, this post strikes me as exactly the kind of “partisan frenzy” that RGJoe hopes to free our party from.
More please!
Patrick 4/4 @ 23
{Snort. Howl… } Thanks!
montag @ 22
Remember Butch and Sundance? We could only hope it goes that well for Rahm and Steney. (Rahm and Steney…wasn’t that a cartoon about fifteen years back?)
AdNag gets to write a story suggesting Dems wary of getting over confident:
Guardedly, Dems are beginning to believe
Valley Girl @
12
Did not see that VG — where is it?
I was sorry I was on a plane and missed the Blue American session this morning. Looks like Jay Fawcett and Joe Wilson both showed up. I did get to speak with Kirsten earlier though and she’s a great candidate.
This is a little OT but this is a MUST READ for anyone who supports Ned Lamont. Learn something about his ancestry, strong and stirring stuff:
http://www.prospect.org/web/pa.....leId=12104
Thanks Jane for an, as always, great post.
Wrt Iraq, IMHO, the easiest talking point for Dems to make is that they are “old fashioned.” We believe in the Powell Doctrine (also known as the Powell Doctrine of Overwhelming Force,) is right and the Rumsfeld Doctrine (Just enough troops to lose) is
fucked upwrong)Going forward, whatever, we do has to fit within the parameters of the Powell Doctrine. Bush has tried to shimmy around the Powell Doctrine by shoehorning Iraq’s political needs into military objectives. The military blows stuff up. They practice killing people. That’s what we pay them to do and we want them to be very good at it. In the U.S. we have a Posse Comitatus Act, because we understand that military objectives are NOT political objectives.
Fuck Rahm and the white horse he rode in on.It must piss him off to hear all the free publicity that Nancy Pelosi is getting from Karl.TeddySanFran @ 24
I’ve heard Hoyer described as the “Joe Lieberman of the House.”
‘Nuff said.
Sarbanes is going out quietly. He was a good doobster, even way back in the Tricky Dick days.
-GSD
EvilDrPuma @ 26
Hmm. A Democratic House as 1880s Bolivia. :)
Geez, it seems as if it’s been a long, long time since 1994….
Rob Zuber @
10
Keep in mind though, that a lot of Conservative Democrats (Lieberman is NOT a Democrat) are elected from rather conservative districts, so it may be better to deal not from right and left but as Elliot Spitzer says, right or wrong.
Republicans could have governed responsibly (Look at Bill Clinton!) but they chose the sleazy money instead. It’s hard to think of how bad it is, but these days I’m almost wishing we had Reagan again. At least he put a happy face on his atrocities.
I hope the DLCSCCCCC holds the illusion that the roots will just go away after the elections, no matter the size of the victory. It will make the targets of progressive wrath all the easier to spot. Anyone who comes to the table willing to speak their truth will be heard in this Party. We’ve merely become Bullshit Intolerant.
But on the other side, Rove just looks too smug for our own good lately, and you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany than between his ears. We must be cautious…
Twisted Martini @
17
Maher uses randomness to simulate independence, much like a game developer uses a random number generator to simulate intelligent monsters.
Other examples of this are Daniel Patrick Moynahan, John McCain and Kevin Drum.
Oh, is that the Beltway C.W. this week?
His ‘tactical’ approach, the old play-it-safe ‘all things to all men’ triangulation vs. Dean’s 50-state grassroots strategy which Emanuel has disparaged, perhaps even undercut?
The only thing providing the thin tissue of cover that Emanuel enjoys is the lengthening chain of Republican miscues and peccadillos. Without those, he might have to contrast his record with that of Dean’s using a little more honesty.
EvilDrPuma @ 26
Yeah, it came on after ‘Liebis, a Butthead‘ on Nick At Nite, IIRC.
;>)
Oh yeah, rumors are flying that Fox News is literally dialing it to the left more and more as of late. Staying just ahead of the crest.
Murdoch is a ruthless old bag who knows how to make money.
-GSD
GSD @ 35
When I see Donahue taking over O’Reilly’s spot, then I’ll believe the rumors. :)
Well, I was *finally* able to post at Blogger again–just before beddy bye time.
http://howardempowered.blogspot.com
And here’s the recent Raw Story article about Charlie that gives some background about why help is needed.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....ent-335711
Howie Klein says:
October 14th, 2006 at 1:41 pm
NorskeFlamethrower @ 130
montag @ 36
William Donohue? Not such a stretch.
GSD @ 35
It doesn’t give one much hope for the media, does it? I don’t think that having the press kowtow to people I agree with constitutes doing their job any more than kowtowing to Der Shrubbenfuhrer ever did.
Not to worry.
There’s consensus on Pelosi’s hundred hours legislation. Popular legislation that is at the core of the democratic message has been bottled up. Just getting those bills out and on the floor, forcing republicans to choose between their corporate clients and their constituency will be enough to keep everybody busy.
And there’s also the odd investigation or two to be had. I’m hoping the focus will be on the politicization of regulatory agencies, rather than presidential malfeasance. A drumbeat exposing corruption and illegal behavior at the EPA, the FTC, the USDA, FDA and so forth will be more effective at exposing the republican’s selling out of the American people than will tendentious attempts to point fingers over the war.
And, besides, there’s no need for hearings on the war for folks to know who is to blame. Support for the war is gone. Even Hoyer has to recognize that at this point.
Phil Donahue or that wacky Catholic William O’ Donahue?
-GSD
I hope the distaff side of our party — longtime rank-and-file, voters, activists, Congresswomen, and Senators alike — will rise up in a rage against these efforts to deny Grandma Pelosi the Speaker’s gavel, should Democratic efforts to retake the People’s House succeed. Much more than anti-SanFranciscanism, this anti-Pelosi movement is simply another expression of men unsure a woman can hack it — and that she should not be their Speaker.
And all of us must fight this blatant discrimination. It is another example of the glass ceiling in action in politics, with “liberal views” and being “controversial” just hackneyed codewords for “Ladies Need Not Apply.”
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Had Enough?
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I totally agree, but I wish to God we had a better leader than Pelosi. She has shown up utterly unprepared on too many sunday talk shows already, and she’s an easy mark for the screeching monkeys.
Patrick 4/4 @ 39
Uh, that wouldn’t exactly be a lateral shift to the left. :) That would be more like a vertical shift on the insanity index. :)
Jane- I went and found Howie’s comment and it is what I remember AND more- quoted above at 39. You may need to refresh- when I first put it up it was not clear that it was Howie responding to Norske’s question.
recap Howie said:
Rahm says he’s leaving the DCCC after the race. He’ll try to take credit for grassroots-won races and catapult himself into a leadership position. Let’s win November 7 and fight for progressives after that. I can tell you one thing– all the candidates I’ve talked to hate Rahm more than they hate Republicans. I mean really hate him. He lies to everyone and treats them all like crap. He won’t be getting any votes in the caucus from any of our people.
montag @ 45
The all-encompassing lunacy means you can go in any direction.
Eli @
3
An old business school legend:
It’s bullshit. Any of these bozos could have used feedback to alter their process at any time. They wait until it’s “safe” politically and advantageous for acquiring and keeping power.
I agree—the Democratic Party will fight tooth and nail to determine who holds the keys to the executive washroom. Maybe our roll around here will shift a bit toward trying to keep this thing intact after the election. We’ve got decades of hard, coordinated work to fix the mess we’re in.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00056.html
the dems sure are starting to believe
A little off topic, this was an excellent, very short post at correntewire.
Why al sadr took kut al Amara
al sadr told us he could make make our exit a helluva lot tougher, or cut our supply lines. Bush is setting the best land forces we have, Marines and Army; up for a Dunkirk like catastrophe, if we’re lucky.
The British guard our only supply lines down to Basra, because Turkey won’t let us use theirs (because they are very pissed off about what we’ve given the Kurds) and the British want to go home.
marksb @ 48
I don’t know the timeline, but i know it needs to not end. I think decades of progress - slow sometimes, but progress - and a once unassailable Dem majority put too many of us to sleep. If we forget how we got here and how we’ve just started to put the brakes on, shame on us.
Actually this piece makes me feel a little better in that Lamont isn’t the only one being stabbed in the back.
Let me preface this by saying that canvassers for Lamont today got very, very positive responses - lots of support. People are really angry and disgusted at Lieberman. Quite frankly this is the first time I’ve seen such outspokenness.
I saw Ned again today, shook his hand and got to say a few words. He and his staff (and some of us canvassers) were at Western Conn State University. He is just such a down to earth, nice person - the polar opposite of Lieberliar.
And the Kiss Float showed up. It’s even better in person than in pictures. Everyone who sees it laughs.
I am praying that we still pull this off, in spite of all the forces against us. Things are very positive on the ground.
But in line with Jane’s piece above - apparently this conversation took place on Lou Dobbs yesterday:
DOBBS: What about Nancy Pelosi? The stories that she’s not going to be supported for speaker should the Democrats win.
ZIMMERMAN: That’s what you call a nonstory and a Republican tactic.
GOODWIN: She’s at an undisclosed location.
ZIMMERMAN: She’s actually front and center and she has got strong support across the board, as Joe Lieberman does amongst Democrats as well, I might say.
DOBBS: It’s amazing how you people have come back to the fold around Joe Lieberman. It’s wonderful — it’s wonderful to watch. I love unity, solidarity.
DOBBS: Nothing succeeds like success. Thank you very much, Robert Zimmerman.
WTF?????
I am beyond disgusted at Rahm, Chuck Schumer, the DCL, and each and every Dem consultants, etc. And they are using our energy & our money and then stabbing us in the back.
What in the world can we do to change this? It doesn’t appear enough that we are capable of overthrowing and intrenched and compromised incumbent.
I’m fuming.
I bet after the election if Dems gain control of the House, David Obey (D-WI) will rehire all the investigators fired by Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-soon to be indicted) this week. Cuz it’s not as if we need to keep track of almost a billion dollars a year going through the Appropriations Committee, or anything.
Yup, he fired 60 investigators looking for waste and fraud of our taxpayer money being spent in Iraq and on the Gulf Coast, among other things.
(I haven’t been online nearly enough lately, so if this has been discussed to death, my apologies.)
Citing “arrogance” and “stupidity” by US, State Dept official says we need to talk to Iraq insurgents.
US Stupidity
Always great to read your wisdom, Jane. Lucky us, home on a Saturday night so we get first dibs!
Jane Hamsher @
9
And good on you Jane - fascinating stuff and thanks for reporting the Murtha Pelosi friendship for it cheered me immeasurably….giving me some sweet respite from my furies with Boxer.
Conventional wisdom from Dan Balz, on A01 of tomorrow’s Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01047.html
This article about Democratic chances to take the Senate, incidentally, completely overlooks Virginia’s having elected two Democratic governors in a row; has no discussion of Lieberman being a wildcard for Senate control should he be re-elected; omits mention of the stem-cell initiative in Missouri; and describes Tom Kean’s son as “hard-charging.” For this tripe, apparently, Balz draws a salary.
Speaking of arrogance and stupidity in Iraq, I watched most of Frontline this week, The Lost Year in Iraq. It’s about the first year of the occupation and all those early, stupid decisions that made a shaky situation into a catastrophy. Quite depressing.
dab- here’s a hug and some love from me for all of your work for Lamont, and for your report today. Any discussion on the ground about Courant’s endorsement of all Dem House contenders? My BF (best friend) who is working as a precinct captain for House Dem canvassing in CT will be delighted. Stomach churns to see who Courant will endorse this time around for Senate race. I assume they are waiting til after the last debate.
It just pisses me off so much that Lieberman just lies, and lies and lies.
marksb @ 48
One of the things I think everyone should be prepared for is that the complexion of the House Dem bloc isn’t going to change dramatically because of a shift of fifteen seats. Remember that 34 fuckin’ idiots voted for the MCA (Murder-Cruelty-Aberration) bill, and most of them will be back. The Dem caucus, in general, is even more conservative than it was in 1994, and it was getting pretty conservative then.
The two clear advantages to the shift are in gaining subpoena power and control of what legislation reaches the floor, but when it comes to actual votes, there’s a very conservative contingent that will vote with the Repugs at least as often as they will with Dems.
dab from CT: thanks for the CT update. Hang in there.
Jane Hamsher @ 31
Jane,
You’ve written over a hundred kickass essays here, and this is one of the best. But it certainly is the most courageous of yours I’ve read. And you’ve been one brave, bold blogger.
dab from CT @
54
Nice to hear about the view from the ground in CT. Thanks for all you’re doing.
And fuck Lou Dobbs.
dab from CT at 8:54; you are terrific!
Jennifer Medina in the NYT’s and Andy Miga from the AP fucked Ned over real good by putting the Q poll number in their stories.
Brian Calame, the NYT’s ombudsman is going to get a very polite letter from me that will be very nasty to Ms. Medina. She quoted a poll that is wrong by at least more than double.
We have lightyears to go and the TM is no longer covering up how bad it is in Iraq. As I know you know, Lieberman4Lieberman had to declare all that PAC money from outside CT.
Too many Balz on Dan’s chin.
-GSD
Jane- posted Howie’s comments in full above. Good to see you doing Late Nite. And fuck Lou Dobbs too!
I agree with newspaperbrat,
It’s nice to know smart people in congress help each other out. Kinda like here in the progressive blogosphere. ;)
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lovin’ your reports from the field, please keep it up, this CAN happen!
Did Al Sadr choose Al Kut for any symbolic reasons?
-GSD
Also, are most Mexicans Catholic? Apparently the Muslims aren’t the only fellas with the head chopping thing going on.
-GSD
http://nedlamont.com/blog/1893/part-of-the-problem
~~Part of the problem
Joe Lieberman has at least $380,000 in unaccounted for disbursements in his latest FEC report. He calls it “petty cash” in the document.
That’s one of out every 12 dollars he spent during the reporting period.
We listed $500 in petty cash.
One buys pizza for volunteers, the other buys cynicism in the political process. What’s Joe hiding? What was Joe buying? Who was Joe buying?~~~
http://nedlamont.com/blog/1894/petty-cash
also see above link $135,000 disbursement from petty cash on 08/04/2006- visual, with info on the actual accounting rules…
Hey Jane—in just three more months we could be listening to Murtha do the Dem’s response to the SOTU. Better late than never?
Re Pelosi, from one of my favorite Glenn Greenwald posts:
Glenn on Pelosi and Gingrich
I loved the quote in the WaPo on Saturday about Grandma Pelosi:
Oh, like Hastert’s “reached out” to Democrats????
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....v=hcmodule
The SAT wapo.com “front page” had a story
about how “blue dog” DEMS and “moderate and
centrist” DEMS would be holding back the “libs”
from moving issues or agendas too far “left”
should DEMS actually take control of House or
the more remote shot of Senate control.
As one reads such “reporting” it is numbing
to reach the conclusion that the deception of
having real “political choices” is a central
tenent of the “two-party” politics of USA.
It is very difficult to see the social and
economic makeup of America being ever improved
or rampant,arrogant militarism that pervades
American foreign affairs ever being curtailed.
Pragmatism may be good but this idea that all
DC politics must somehow not move the needle
ever too far from somewhere right of center is
why USA wallows and remains mired in fiscal,
social and ethical going-no-wheres.
DC is infested with a virulent strain of
centrist thinking and if changing out one
group of bad actors only brings back the flip
side version Americans have been grossly
underserved once again.
Chuck,Rahm and Harry seem to have shown the
cards they are playing with Joe Lieberman well
enough. That example clearly illustrating the
worse of “centrist” thinking and action taken.
The DEMS may get lucky on November 7th but
that may not matter much if they fall into the
same old DC craven money and powerbroker games
and prevail of ordained outcomes.
Valley Girl @ 61
Thanks VG - I think most canvassers throughout the state were pleasantly surprised at how many people offered, today, the fact that they were going to vote for Lamont. Up until now, I’ve run into a lot of Undecideds. Today was different. I think the debates did make a difference, as have all of Lieberman’s negative, slimey ads.
That said, if behind the scenes the Dem “leadership” is sucking up to Lieberman, then who knows. It makes me ill.
On the bright side, it looks like Murphy may just topple Johnson, which would be a godsend. And I do think Diane Farrell might just oust Shays. She gave the Democratic response to Bush’s Saturday radio talk and she did a great job (I love her voice).
Quite frankly, I can’t imagine the Hartford Courant endorsing Lieberman - he’s just too dirty and they are going to town exposing things like his $385,000 unaccounted for petty cash line-item. And they seem disgusted by all the tainted money he’s received.
http://www.courant.com/news/po.....s-politics
But I have no idea whether or not they will endorse Lamont.
The NY Times will probably save the CT Senate race and the Farrell/Shays race until next week.
Everyone is waiting for the results of Monday’s debate.
Valley Girl @ 68
Thanks, VG. That’s a great quote. And thanks, ET, for your work on Diane B. May she win and be one of those “nay” votes Howie is talking about.
Valley Girl @ 70
Seems to me that an amount such as that had to be for the out-of-state help he got from the Repugs, the $160/day (or thereabouts) help he got passing out campaign lit and such.
Rahm has the smarmiest damn smile I’ve seen in some time.
Okay, cards on the table, I really don’t like his attitude toward Howard Dean, and toward bloggers in general.
But that still *is* one smarmy-lookin’ face.
Jane says
“but I would like to begin looking for leadership from the members of the party who got it right.”
This is the key. Success needs to be rewarded and failures abandoned quickly. In the investment world the maxim is to run with your winners and cut your losses.
The DLC, centrist, triangulators have lost every election based on their thesis of appeasement. The vote to authorize the Iraq invasion was a classic appeasement strategy and all that did was increase Dem losses in 2002. Now they have gone with appeasement again with many of the centrist Dems gutting the constitution and American values by supporting the Military Commissions Act. If the grassroots and many candidates had listened to these folks then there would not be a Lamont, Tester or Webb as winners in the primary and unafraid to directly challenge the Repubs on national security and Iraq. As Tester said we should repeal the Patriot Act. Would an Emmanuel or Hillary or Hoyer stand for principle with guts? I am afraid not.
That’s why we in the grassroots/netroots should push hard for those winners who stood for American values and principles when it comes time to elect the DC leadership.
Subway Serenade @ 34
I’m OK with that. That’s why I said conservative Dems who undermine our progressive cause should be ousted. That means things like going on national TV talk shows and blaming liberals for everything. We need to make it very clear to these folks that they should focus their energies on defeating Republicans, instead of trying to portray the Dems as just another conservative party.
The conservative agenda itself is wrong. It does not work. That’s what I want to hear progressive Dems saying.
There is much work to do. Even after President Feingold takes office in January 2009, firedogs will need to keep up the fight. :)
Democrats who voted for the war, for the bankruptcy bill, against habeas corpus etc. need to take a time out and go stand in the corner until at least 2009.
PEACE IN THIS EMERALD DREAM
This is why I love Code Pink…
While the national media gathers in New London, CT, to cover a Senatorial debate between Lamont and Lieberman, a coalition of groups is gathering thousands of women’s and children’s shoes to present a powerful image that represents the unspeakable pain and suffering this war has inflicted on the Iraqi people. Please join us as we present this image to the world.
We need volunteers throughout the day on Sunday, October 22nd, and Monday, October 23rd, to bring shoes and help tag them with the names of Iraqi dead. We will be at St. Francis House, 30 Broad Street, New London, CT all day on Sunday and Monday. (Some thrift stores are letting people borrow their shoes, check in with a thrift store near you, bring them with you, we can send you home with them.)
The main demonstration will take place on Monday, October 23rd, at between 5 p.m. and 8 p.m. Please join us at St. Francis House, 30 Broad Street, New London, CT. For questions contact Kelly Osborne 1-469-955-4971 For more information on our WALK IN THEIR SHOES campaign, click here.
In New York shoes can be dropped off at Sunday October 22, 11am to 5 pm at Brooklyn Peace Fair in Downtown Brooklyn, 1 University Plaza (Flatbush and DeKalb Avenues) The Veterans for Peace Bus will pick them up and take them to New London, drop off at the CODEPINK booth.
In solidarity,
Andrea, Anedra, Dana, Farida, Gael, Gayle, Jodie, Laura, Liz, Medea, Nancy, Patricia, Rae, Samantha, and Sonia
P.S. Pledge to Give Peace a Vote and pass it on.
http://www.democracyinaction.o.....;t=GPV.dwt
WaPo Lead Editorial Sunday sez Stay the course, not so much:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00832.html
Huh?
Renee in Ohio @ 80
When we were in the Bill Clinton meeting, Big Dog told us all that we should be working in unison with Rahm, that we had a lot in common, that he was a fighter just like us. There was an awkward silence around the room and then the Nicest Blogger You Have Ever Met pipes up and says “he treats us like shit and he was really rude and dismissive to us on a conference call.”
I will leave it to said blogger to identify themselves but just let me say, that was the end of the Rahm conversation.
Brian Boru @ 83
Quote of the day.