
I've always maintained that the lefty blogosphere appears to be more cohesive than it actually is because we've been united together in opposition to the mind-numbing irrationality of people who think a petri dish full of blastocycts is worth more than the life of a two year-old child, or someone suffering from Parkinson's disease, or that over half a million dead is an acceptable price to pay for a bungled war if they happen to be Iraqis who did not greet us with flowers.
But if in time there is some sort of pendulum shift and we do switch into a mode where it's possible for Democrats to take a proactive stance rather than just play defense, our differences will become more apparent. And battle lines will start to emerge over stuff like this:
One thing to keep your eye on is emerging tensions inside the Democratic Party which find their locus in the persons of Nancy Pelosi and Rahm Emmannuel. Essentially, the way the centrist side of the argument is trying to set things up, insofar as the election returns are in some sense disappointing, this will be blamed on Pelosi, Leader of the House Democrats. But insofar as the election returns are encouraging, credit belongs to Emmannuel, Architect of the Great Victory. Damned if she does and damned if she doesn't, in other words. This Bull Moose post gives you a good example of the genre. He's expecting big things for the Democrats, and hails the wisdom of the House Democratic leadership, with said leadership comprised apparently of Emmannuel and Steny Hoyer. Pelosi, a liberal who thought invading Iraq was a bad idea before it was cool, who also happens to be the actual leader of the caucus, doesn't come into play.
Hoyer was a major proponent of the bankruptcy bill, and someone whose position on Iraq was sculpted by political calculation. According to a recent profile in the Washington Monthly:
Unlike Pelosi, he voted to authorize Bush to invade Iraq. Then, last November, after Murtha—a longtime Pelosi ally who had run her whip campaign in 2000—called for an immediate withdrawal, Hoyer and Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.) urged Pelosi not to join Murtha, arguing that doing so would hurt Democrats politically. The leader’s camp reacted angrily. George Miller, Pelosi’s best friend in Congress, accused Hoyer of trying to undermine her. Murtha ordered Rep. Joe Crowley (D-N.Y.), a close Hoyer ally, “tell your friend Hoyer” to stop stirring up trouble, then gave a speech in which he defended his call for withdrawal, saying he was more concerned with saving lives than with playing politics, and “looking right at Hoyer,” according to a Democratic aide quoted in The Hill. Pelosi did ultimately back Murtha, but Hoyer, voicing the concerns of more conservative Democrats, prevailed on her to allow members to come up with their own positions on the issue. And on the day that Pelosi announced her support for withdrawal, Hoyer released a statement of his own, declaring that “a precipitous withdrawal of American forces in Iraq could lead to disaster, spawning a civil war, fostering a haven for terrorists and damaging our nation’s security and credibility.”
I don't know how the power structure will shake out in the House, but I'm going to invoke Bill Maher here (video at Crooks & Liars). He was talking about think tanks, but I think the same thing goes for politicians:
Maher: And finally, new rule in two parts: (A) You can't call yourself a think tank if all your ideas are stupid; and (B) If you're someone from one of these think tanks that dreamed up the Iraq War and who predicted that we'd be greeted as liberators, and that we wouldn't need a lot of troops, and that Iraqi oil would pay for the war, that the WMD's would be found, that the looting wasn't problematic, that the mission was accomplished, that the insurgency was in its last throes, that things would get better after the people voted, after the government was formed, after we got Saddam, after we got his kids, after we got Zarqawi, and that whole bloody mess wouldn't turn into a civil war, you have to stop making predictions.
Lord knows there aren't many of them, but I would like to begin looking for leadership from the members of the party who got it right. I know it's a novel idea, but really, I just don't understand why we want to be led by someone responsible for that kind of collosal fuckup, who really just ought to cop to awfully bad judgment and STFU about Iraq.
I am aware, however, that there are those who admire these men for their "political pragmatism," and I can see over time that these differences could start to define us. Bush was often times right when he called himself a "uniter not a divider," though perhaps not in quite the way he meant.



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Jane!
Howard Dean!
I seem to recall a Dilbert cartoon explaining that the bigger the fuckup you are responsible for, the more you are prized for your “experience”.
Shorter Late Night: Throw out the deadwood.
I agree.
That is one classic smackdown from Maher. Damn!
Eli @ 2
That wasn’t Dilbert, it was Michael Brown.
Pelosi/Dean ‘07
Someone has to take over after Impeachment…!
EvilDrPuma @ 6
Life imitates ‘bert.
Swopa @
5
It was pretty righteous. It was a stretch but I had to work it in.
Getting Republicans out of office is just the beginning. We have lots of work to do. We must thoroughly obliterate the conservative agenda, which has sickened and destroyed everything it’s touched. Weak-kneed “centrist” Dems need to get the message that they must uphold progressive values in order to win re-election. Conservative Dems who engage in behavior that undermines our progressive cause must be ousted from the party.
Is it just me, or does Bull Moose have much more bull about him than moose….?
I loved Howie’s comment on an earlier thread as to how the House candidates who had been hung out to dry by Emanuel hated him… I think he did used that word- and come the time that they get elected… I am certainly gonna watch the fallout from that…
Marion in Savannah @ 11
At risk of treason to my biological sex:
That’s what testosterone does.
From EPU — David Brooks, behind tomorrow’s NYT wall, worries that we’ll weed out the “moderate” Repubs too.
Gosh, I’m gonna miss Shays’ tortured insights about Abu Ghraib.
Valley Girl @ 12
As you should.
EvilDrPuma @ 15
Same to you!
Rahm just sucks. No spine whatsoever. Classic politician, leans whichever way the wind blows. And Bill Maher is underwhelming, let’s too much republican bullshit propaganda through on his program. I’m not asking him to support us, just to call bullshit when required.
Politics is in the cliche called the art of compromise.
But really it is knowing when to compromise, when to capitulate, when to storm the castle and when to put the shiv in your erstwhile compatriot.
Compromise worked for a while under Bush I. The DLC won in their time with capitulation and overplayed their hand. Now the blogosphere and the rest of the vast unwashed left are storming the gates.
The next step is evident.
The sequence plays out in all politics from the most revolutionary to the most genteel. It just shows its teeth in different ways.
There is nothing new under the sun.
EvilDrPuma, I seriously doubt it’s a testosterone issue. I think it’s much more of a “stupider than shit” issue… I’ve been around WAY too much intelligent testosterone in my life to blame Bull Moose on testosterone!
Story about Hoyer. Back in something like 1988 I was very active in the movment to oppose the political use of psychiatry in the then Soviet Union. A personal friend of mine had been in one of these hell holes for four years.
As part of detente, a group of Soviet Psychiatrists were invited to the US. Not just any Soviet Psychiatrists, but those personally involved in the infamous Serbsky institute. One of them had personally supervised the torture of my friend. In other words, he would have come to the US with the blood still wet upon his hands.
At that time I lived in Maryland so I went to both Sarbannes and Mikulski’s officies. Their aides were absolutely aghast that such a thing had been arranged, especially Mikulski.
Hoyer’s aides were all for the visit. They just dismissed my friend’s concerns, or the suggestion that there were not the sort of Soviet bureaucrats who should get an all expense paid trip to the US. Hoyer’s office thought such visits could gradually moderate Soviet behavior.
In the end, through the efforts of Mikulski and Sarbannes the visit was delayed and the man who tortured my friend was ultimately tossed off the all expense paid tour of the US.
After that I didn’t have much use for Hoyer.
paul @ 18
Yup. Sometimes compromise is tantamount to treason. For examples, look at the last six years.
From the sound of it, there’s going to be a battle royale for Speaker if the Dems do take the House. Emmanuel and Hoyer against the world.
Emmanuel’s tried to turn his Dem election office into a cash machine, so, if he prevails, I would expect him to do the same with the Speaker’s office.
Just what the country needs–a cheaper-suit version of cheap-suit Denny Hastert.
Marion in Savannah @ 19
Intelligent Testosterone is just religious libidinalism wrapped up in scientific jargon. I much prefer the Darwinian struggle of hormone vs. hormone. May the strongest gland prevail!
Dear Jane, this post strikes me as exactly the kind of “partisan frenzy” that RGJoe hopes to free our party from.
More please!
Patrick 4/4 @ 23
{Snort. Howl… } Thanks!
montag @ 22
Remember Butch and Sundance? We could only hope it goes that well for Rahm and Steney. (Rahm and Steney…wasn’t that a cartoon about fifteen years back?)
AdNag gets to write a story suggesting Dems wary of getting over confident:
Guardedly, Dems are beginning to believe
Valley Girl @
12
Did not see that VG — where is it?
I was sorry I was on a plane and missed the Blue American session this morning. Looks like Jay Fawcett and Joe Wilson both showed up. I did get to speak with Kirsten earlier though and she’s a great candidate.
This is a little OT but this is a MUST READ for anyone who supports Ned Lamont. Learn something about his ancestry, strong and stirring stuff:
http://www.prospect.org/web/pa…..leId=12104
Thanks Jane for an, as always, great post.
Wrt Iraq, IMHO, the easiest talking point for Dems to make is that they are “old fashioned.” We believe in the Powell Doctrine (also known as the Powell Doctrine of Overwhelming Force,) is right and the Rumsfeld Doctrine (Just enough troops to lose) is
fucked upwrong)Going forward, whatever, we do has to fit within the parameters of the Powell Doctrine. Bush has tried to shimmy around the Powell Doctrine by shoehorning Iraq’s political needs into military objectives. The military blows stuff up. They practice killing people. That’s what we pay them to do and we want them to be very good at it. In the U.S. we have a Posse Comitatus Act, because we understand that military objectives are NOT political objectives.
Fuck Rahm and the white horse he rode in on.It must piss him off to hear all the free publicity that Nancy Pelosi is getting from Karl.TeddySanFran @ 24
I’ve heard Hoyer described as the “Joe Lieberman of the House.”
‘Nuff said.
Sarbanes is going out quietly. He was a good doobster, even way back in the Tricky Dick days.
-GSD
EvilDrPuma @ 26
Hmm. A Democratic House as 1880s Bolivia. :)
Geez, it seems as if it’s been a long, long time since 1994….
Rob Zuber @
10
Keep in mind though, that a lot of Conservative Democrats (Lieberman is NOT a Democrat) are elected from rather conservative districts, so it may be better to deal not from right and left but as Elliot Spitzer says, right or wrong.
Republicans could have governed responsibly (Look at Bill Clinton!) but they chose the sleazy money instead. It’s hard to think of how bad it is, but these days I’m almost wishing we had Reagan again. At least he put a happy face on his atrocities.
I hope the DLCSCCCCC holds the illusion that the roots will just go away after the elections, no matter the size of the victory. It will make the targets of progressive wrath all the easier to spot. Anyone who comes to the table willing to speak their truth will be heard in this Party. We’ve merely become Bullshit Intolerant.
But on the other side, Rove just looks too smug for our own good lately, and you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villany than between his ears. We must be cautious…
Twisted Martini @
17
Maher uses randomness to simulate independence, much like a game developer uses a random number generator to simulate intelligent monsters.
Other examples of this are Daniel Patrick Moynahan, John McCain and Kevin Drum.
Oh, is that the Beltway C.W. this week?
His ‘tactical’ approach, the old play-it-safe ‘all things to all men’ triangulation vs. Dean’s 50-state grassroots strategy which Emanuel has disparaged, perhaps even undercut?
The only thing providing the thin tissue of cover that Emanuel enjoys is the lengthening chain of Republican miscues and peccadillos. Without those, he might have to contrast his record with that of Dean’s using a little more honesty.
EvilDrPuma @ 26
Yeah, it came on after ‘Liebis, a Butthead‘ on Nick At Nite, IIRC.
;>)
Oh yeah, rumors are flying that Fox News is literally dialing it to the left more and more as of late. Staying just ahead of the crest.
Murdoch is a ruthless old bag who knows how to make money.
-GSD
GSD @ 35
When I see Donahue taking over O’Reilly’s spot, then I’ll believe the rumors. :)
Well, I was *finally* able to post at Blogger again–just before beddy bye time.
http://howardempowered.blogspot.com
And here’s the recent Raw Story article about Charlie that gives some background about why help is needed.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-335711
Howie Klein says:
October 14th, 2006 at 1:41 pm
NorskeFlamethrower @ 130
montag @ 36
William Donohue? Not such a stretch.
GSD @ 35
It doesn’t give one much hope for the media, does it? I don’t think that having the press kowtow to people I agree with constitutes doing their job any more than kowtowing to Der Shrubbenfuhrer ever did.
Not to worry.
There’s consensus on Pelosi’s hundred hours legislation. Popular legislation that is at the core of the democratic message has been bottled up. Just getting those bills out and on the floor, forcing republicans to choose between their corporate clients and their constituency will be enough to keep everybody busy.
And there’s also the odd investigation or two to be had. I’m hoping the focus will be on the politicization of regulatory agencies, rather than presidential malfeasance. A drumbeat exposing corruption and illegal behavior at the EPA, the FTC, the USDA, FDA and so forth will be more effective at exposing the republican’s selling out of the American people than will tendentious attempts to point fingers over the war.
And, besides, there’s no need for hearings on the war for folks to know who is to blame. Support for the war is gone. Even Hoyer has to recognize that at this point.
Phil Donahue or that wacky Catholic William O’ Donahue?
-GSD
I hope the distaff side of our party — longtime rank-and-file, voters, activists, Congresswomen, and Senators alike — will rise up in a rage against these efforts to deny Grandma Pelosi the Speaker’s gavel, should Democratic efforts to retake the People’s House succeed. Much more than anti-SanFranciscanism, this anti-Pelosi movement is simply another expression of men unsure a woman can hack it — and that she should not be their Speaker.
And all of us must fight this blatant discrimination. It is another example of the glass ceiling in action in politics, with “liberal views” and being “controversial” just hackneyed codewords for “Ladies Need Not Apply.”
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Had Enough?
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I totally agree, but I wish to God we had a better leader than Pelosi. She has shown up utterly unprepared on too many sunday talk shows already, and she’s an easy mark for the screeching monkeys.
Patrick 4/4 @ 39
Uh, that wouldn’t exactly be a lateral shift to the left. :) That would be more like a vertical shift on the insanity index. :)
Jane- I went and found Howie’s comment and it is what I remember AND more- quoted above at 39. You may need to refresh- when I first put it up it was not clear that it was Howie responding to Norske’s question.
recap Howie said:
Rahm says he’s leaving the DCCC after the race. He’ll try to take credit for grassroots-won races and catapult himself into a leadership position. Let’s win November 7 and fight for progressives after that. I can tell you one thing– all the candidates I’ve talked to hate Rahm more than they hate Republicans. I mean really hate him. He lies to everyone and treats them all like crap. He won’t be getting any votes in the caucus from any of our people.
montag @ 45
The all-encompassing lunacy means you can go in any direction.
Eli @
3
An old business school legend:
It’s bullshit. Any of these bozos could have used feedback to alter their process at any time. They wait until it’s “safe” politically and advantageous for acquiring and keeping power.
I agree—the Democratic Party will fight tooth and nail to determine who holds the keys to the executive washroom. Maybe our roll around here will shift a bit toward trying to keep this thing intact after the election. We’ve got decades of hard, coordinated work to fix the mess we’re in.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00056.html
the dems sure are starting to believe
A little off topic, this was an excellent, very short post at correntewire.
Why al sadr took kut al Amara
al sadr told us he could make make our exit a helluva lot tougher, or cut our supply lines. Bush is setting the best land forces we have, Marines and Army; up for a Dunkirk like catastrophe, if we’re lucky.
The British guard our only supply lines down to Basra, because Turkey won’t let us use theirs (because they are very pissed off about what we’ve given the Kurds) and the British want to go home.
marksb @ 48
I don’t know the timeline, but i know it needs to not end. I think decades of progress – slow sometimes, but progress – and a once unassailable Dem majority put too many of us to sleep. If we forget how we got here and how we’ve just started to put the brakes on, shame on us.
Actually this piece makes me feel a little better in that Lamont isn’t the only one being stabbed in the back.
Let me preface this by saying that canvassers for Lamont today got very, very positive responses – lots of support. People are really angry and disgusted at Lieberman. Quite frankly this is the first time I’ve seen such outspokenness.
I saw Ned again today, shook his hand and got to say a few words. He and his staff (and some of us canvassers) were at Western Conn State University. He is just such a down to earth, nice person – the polar opposite of Lieberliar.
And the Kiss Float showed up. It’s even better in person than in pictures. Everyone who sees it laughs.
I am praying that we still pull this off, in spite of all the forces against us. Things are very positive on the ground.
But in line with Jane’s piece above – apparently this conversation took place on Lou Dobbs yesterday:
DOBBS: What about Nancy Pelosi? The stories that she’s not going to be supported for speaker should the Democrats win.
ZIMMERMAN: That’s what you call a nonstory and a Republican tactic.
GOODWIN: She’s at an undisclosed location.
ZIMMERMAN: She’s actually front and center and she has got strong support across the board, as Joe Lieberman does amongst Democrats as well, I might say.
DOBBS: It’s amazing how you people have come back to the fold around Joe Lieberman. It’s wonderful — it’s wonderful to watch. I love unity, solidarity.
DOBBS: Nothing succeeds like success. Thank you very much, Robert Zimmerman.
WTF?????
I am beyond disgusted at Rahm, Chuck Schumer, the DCL, and each and every Dem consultants, etc. And they are using our energy & our money and then stabbing us in the back.
What in the world can we do to change this? It doesn’t appear enough that we are capable of overthrowing and intrenched and compromised incumbent.
I’m fuming.
I bet after the election if Dems gain control of the House, David Obey (D-WI) will rehire all the investigators fired by Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-soon to be indicted) this week. Cuz it’s not as if we need to keep track of almost a billion dollars a year going through the Appropriations Committee, or anything.
Yup, he fired 60 investigators looking for waste and fraud of our taxpayer money being spent in Iraq and on the Gulf Coast, among other things.
(I haven’t been online nearly enough lately, so if this has been discussed to death, my apologies.)
Citing “arrogance” and “stupidity” by US, State Dept official says we need to talk to Iraq insurgents.
US Stupidity
Always great to read your wisdom, Jane. Lucky us, home on a Saturday night so we get first dibs!
Jane Hamsher @
9
And good on you Jane – fascinating stuff and thanks for reporting the Murtha Pelosi friendship for it cheered me immeasurably….giving me some sweet respite from my furies with Boxer.
Conventional wisdom from Dan Balz, on A01 of tomorrow’s Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01047.html
This article about Democratic chances to take the Senate, incidentally, completely overlooks Virginia’s having elected two Democratic governors in a row; has no discussion of Lieberman being a wildcard for Senate control should he be re-elected; omits mention of the stem-cell initiative in Missouri; and describes Tom Kean’s son as “hard-charging.” For this tripe, apparently, Balz draws a salary.
Speaking of arrogance and stupidity in Iraq, I watched most of Frontline this week, The Lost Year in Iraq. It’s about the first year of the occupation and all those early, stupid decisions that made a shaky situation into a catastrophy. Quite depressing.
dab- here’s a hug and some love from me for all of your work for Lamont, and for your report today. Any discussion on the ground about Courant’s endorsement of all Dem House contenders? My BF (best friend) who is working as a precinct captain for House Dem canvassing in CT will be delighted. Stomach churns to see who Courant will endorse this time around for Senate race. I assume they are waiting til after the last debate.
It just pisses me off so much that Lieberman just lies, and lies and lies.
marksb @ 48
One of the things I think everyone should be prepared for is that the complexion of the House Dem bloc isn’t going to change dramatically because of a shift of fifteen seats. Remember that 34 fuckin’ idiots voted for the MCA (Murder-Cruelty-Aberration) bill, and most of them will be back. The Dem caucus, in general, is even more conservative than it was in 1994, and it was getting pretty conservative then.
The two clear advantages to the shift are in gaining subpoena power and control of what legislation reaches the floor, but when it comes to actual votes, there’s a very conservative contingent that will vote with the Repugs at least as often as they will with Dems.
dab from CT: thanks for the CT update. Hang in there.
Jane Hamsher @ 31
Jane,
You’ve written over a hundred kickass essays here, and this is one of the best. But it certainly is the most courageous of yours I’ve read. And you’ve been one brave, bold blogger.
dab from CT @
54
Nice to hear about the view from the ground in CT. Thanks for all you’re doing.
And fuck Lou Dobbs.
dab from CT at 8:54; you are terrific!
Jennifer Medina in the NYT’s and Andy Miga from the AP fucked Ned over real good by putting the Q poll number in their stories.
Brian Calame, the NYT’s ombudsman is going to get a very polite letter from me that will be very nasty to Ms. Medina. She quoted a poll that is wrong by at least more than double.
We have lightyears to go and the TM is no longer covering up how bad it is in Iraq. As I know you know, Lieberman4Lieberman had to declare all that PAC money from outside CT.
Too many Balz on Dan’s chin.
-GSD
Jane- posted Howie’s comments in full above. Good to see you doing Late Nite. And fuck Lou Dobbs too!
I agree with newspaperbrat,
It’s nice to know smart people in congress help each other out. Kinda like here in the progressive blogosphere. ;)
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lovin’ your reports from the field, please keep it up, this CAN happen!
Did Al Sadr choose Al Kut for any symbolic reasons?
-GSD
Also, are most Mexicans Catholic? Apparently the Muslims aren’t the only fellas with the head chopping thing going on.
-GSD
http://nedlamont.com/blog/1893/part-of-the-problem
~~Part of the problem
Joe Lieberman has at least $380,000 in unaccounted for disbursements in his latest FEC report. He calls it “petty cash” in the document.
That’s one of out every 12 dollars he spent during the reporting period.
We listed $500 in petty cash.
One buys pizza for volunteers, the other buys cynicism in the political process. What’s Joe hiding? What was Joe buying? Who was Joe buying?~~~
http://nedlamont.com/blog/1894/petty-cash
also see above link $135,000 disbursement from petty cash on 08/04/2006- visual, with info on the actual accounting rules…
Hey Jane—in just three more months we could be listening to Murtha do the Dem’s response to the SOTU. Better late than never?
Re Pelosi, from one of my favorite Glenn Greenwald posts:
Glenn on Pelosi and Gingrich
I loved the quote in the WaPo on Saturday about Grandma Pelosi:
Oh, like Hastert’s “reached out” to Democrats????
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..v=hcmodule
The SAT wapo.com “front page” had a story
about how “blue dog” DEMS and “moderate and
centrist” DEMS would be holding back the “libs”
from moving issues or agendas too far “left”
should DEMS actually take control of House or
the more remote shot of Senate control.
As one reads such “reporting” it is numbing
to reach the conclusion that the deception of
having real “political choices” is a central
tenent of the “two-party” politics of USA.
It is very difficult to see the social and
economic makeup of America being ever improved
or rampant,arrogant militarism that pervades
American foreign affairs ever being curtailed.
Pragmatism may be good but this idea that all
DC politics must somehow not move the needle
ever too far from somewhere right of center is
why USA wallows and remains mired in fiscal,
social and ethical going-no-wheres.
DC is infested with a virulent strain of
centrist thinking and if changing out one
group of bad actors only brings back the flip
side version Americans have been grossly
underserved once again.
Chuck,Rahm and Harry seem to have shown the
cards they are playing with Joe Lieberman well
enough. That example clearly illustrating the
worse of “centrist” thinking and action taken.
The DEMS may get lucky on November 7th but
that may not matter much if they fall into the
same old DC craven money and powerbroker games
and prevail of ordained outcomes.
Valley Girl @ 61
Thanks VG – I think most canvassers throughout the state were pleasantly surprised at how many people offered, today, the fact that they were going to vote for Lamont. Up until now, I’ve run into a lot of Undecideds. Today was different. I think the debates did make a difference, as have all of Lieberman’s negative, slimey ads.
That said, if behind the scenes the Dem “leadership” is sucking up to Lieberman, then who knows. It makes me ill.
On the bright side, it looks like Murphy may just topple Johnson, which would be a godsend. And I do think Diane Farrell might just oust Shays. She gave the Democratic response to Bush’s Saturday radio talk and she did a great job (I love her voice).
Quite frankly, I can’t imagine the Hartford Courant endorsing Lieberman – he’s just too dirty and they are going to town exposing things like his $385,000 unaccounted for petty cash line-item. And they seem disgusted by all the tainted money he’s received.
http://www.courant.com/news/po…..s-politics
But I have no idea whether or not they will endorse Lamont.
The NY Times will probably save the CT Senate race and the Farrell/Shays race until next week.
Everyone is waiting for the results of Monday’s debate.
Valley Girl @ 68
Thanks, VG. That’s a great quote. And thanks, ET, for your work on Diane B. May she win and be one of those “nay” votes Howie is talking about.
Valley Girl @ 70
Seems to me that an amount such as that had to be for the out-of-state help he got from the Repugs, the $160/day (or thereabouts) help he got passing out campaign lit and such.
Rahm has the smarmiest damn smile I’ve seen in some time.
Okay, cards on the table, I really don’t like his attitude toward Howard Dean, and toward bloggers in general.
But that still *is* one smarmy-lookin’ face.
Jane says
“but I would like to begin looking for leadership from the members of the party who got it right.”
This is the key. Success needs to be rewarded and failures abandoned quickly. In the investment world the maxim is to run with your winners and cut your losses.
The DLC, centrist, triangulators have lost every election based on their thesis of appeasement. The vote to authorize the Iraq invasion was a classic appeasement strategy and all that did was increase Dem losses in 2002. Now they have gone with appeasement again with many of the centrist Dems gutting the constitution and American values by supporting the Military Commissions Act. If the grassroots and many candidates had listened to these folks then there would not be a Lamont, Tester or Webb as winners in the primary and unafraid to directly challenge the Repubs on national security and Iraq. As Tester said we should repeal the Patriot Act. Would an Emmanuel or Hillary or Hoyer stand for principle with guts? I am afraid not.
That’s why we in the grassroots/netroots should push hard for those winners who stood for American values and principles when it comes time to elect the DC leadership.
Subway Serenade @ 34
I’m OK with that. That’s why I said conservative Dems who undermine our progressive cause should be ousted. That means things like going on national TV talk shows and blaming liberals for everything. We need to make it very clear to these folks that they should focus their energies on defeating Republicans, instead of trying to portray the Dems as just another conservative party.
The conservative agenda itself is wrong. It does not work. That’s what I want to hear progressive Dems saying.
There is much work to do. Even after President Feingold takes office in January 2009, firedogs will need to keep up the fight. :)
Democrats who voted for the war, for the bankruptcy bill, against habeas corpus etc. need to take a time out and go stand in the corner until at least 2009.
PEACE IN THIS EMERALD DREAM
This is why I love Code Pink…
While the national media gathers in New London, CT, to cover a Senatorial debate between Lamont and Lieberman, a coalition of groups is gathering thousands of women’s and children’s shoes to present a powerful image that represents the unspeakable pain and suffering this war has inflicted on the Iraqi people. Please join us as we present this image to the world.
We need volunteers throughout the day on Sunday, October 22nd, and Monday, October 23rd, to bring shoes and help tag them with the names of Iraqi dead. We will be at St. Francis House, 30 Broad Street, New London, CT all day on Sunday and Monday. (Some thrift stores are letting people borrow their shoes, check in with a thrift store near you, bring them with you, we can send you home with them.)
The main demonstration will take place on Monday, October 23rd, at between 5 p.m. and 8 p.m. Please join us at St. Francis House, 30 Broad Street, New London, CT. For questions contact Kelly Osborne 1-469-955-4971 For more information on our WALK IN THEIR SHOES campaign, click here.
In New York shoes can be dropped off at Sunday October 22, 11am to 5 pm at Brooklyn Peace Fair in Downtown Brooklyn, 1 University Plaza (Flatbush and DeKalb Avenues) The Veterans for Peace Bus will pick them up and take them to New London, drop off at the CODEPINK booth.
In solidarity,
Andrea, Anedra, Dana, Farida, Gael, Gayle, Jodie, Laura, Liz, Medea, Nancy, Patricia, Rae, Samantha, and Sonia
P.S. Pledge to Give Peace a Vote and pass it on.
http://www.democracyinaction.o…..;t=GPV.dwt
WaPo Lead Editorial Sunday sez Stay the course, not so much:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00832.html
Huh?
Renee in Ohio @ 80
When we were in the Bill Clinton meeting, Big Dog told us all that we should be working in unison with Rahm, that we had a lot in common, that he was a fighter just like us. There was an awkward silence around the room and then the Nicest Blogger You Have Ever Met pipes up and says “he treats us like shit and he was really rude and dismissive to us on a conference call.”
I will leave it to said blogger to identify themselves but just let me say, that was the end of the Rahm conversation.
Brian Boru @ 83
Quote of the day.
Renee in Ohio @ 79
Makes one want to wipe it off with a soft, cozy chamois cloth…wrapped around an antique brick.
;>)
Jane Hamsher @ 87
Nicest blogger… It was duncan, wasn’t it?
I’ve met a few bloggers, and you’re swell, Jane, but the Nicest Blogger I’ve Ever Met has to be your prosecutorial sidekick.
Although I can’t imagine her saying “shit” to a former President.
Media Matters catches Sean Hannity urging Dems to stay home on election day, cause our votes don’t matter:
Hannity caught by Media Matters
Actually, I should send an e-mail to him, letting him know I have no plans to vote in MA on election day; [I’ll be in Connecticut for Lamont GOTV. Voting absentee.]
TeddySanFran @ 89
I could imagine her doing that… in 2009. :)
Renee – Rahm would have been a perfect entry for TRex’s thread a while ago asking us to share our crushes on skanky people we otherwise would be embarrassed to admit we had a crush on.
montag @ 79
A guy next to me at the Lamont primary celebration said that he had actually confronted some “Lieberman” supporters from out of state and they fessed up to getting paid (~amount you state, can’t remember) to stand on street corners and pass out literature- sorry I can’t remember the town. And, funny, the “volunteers” were putting the literature in the trash, bec. they couldn’t give it away…
Four more Foley Pages confirmed by WaPo:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01050.html
montag @ 93
S/he might have to go to Paraguay for that. Have I got the right south american country?
TeddySanFran @ 90
That’s what I was thinking!
scarecrow @ 56
So OT, but Scarecrow, who is this Abu Mohammed? Frankly, this whole article has information I’ve never heard about in MSM before. I’m very confused. Is this “Abu Mohammed” representing many people? If so, who? I plead utter ignorance.
Thank you for any light you can shed on this “breaking story”.
Back to your regularly scheduled program.
PerryA
Jane Hamsher @ 87
OHMIGOD Jane, that is hilarious!! (in a sad way- how out of touch…)
anjinsan @ 95
Indeed you do. But, I don’t think the country has any courses on the PGA Masters list of championship golf courses, so Bush would undoubtedly be tempted to sneak away once in a while. :)
dab from CT @ 93
Bwahahaha!
TheOtherWA @
98
I’m not telling.
Jane Hamsher @ 86
Well, whether said blogger identifies or not, I salute said Nicest Blogger You Have Ever Met with all of my heart! ;~)
PerryA — sorry, I don’t know any more about the guy than the AP reporter.
Jane Hamsher @ 87
I LOVE THAT STORY!!!
Be the change and all that- that is speaking truth to power all right!
Thanks so much for sharing that….
Seems to me that Rahm Emmanuel is the Dem equivalent of Tom DeLay – an amoral power monger. I remember Teddy SF telling us a while back when folks were bitching about Nancy Pelosi, that she had the best record in a while of voting unanimity, better than Gephart had.
Rahm has clearly had his career path plotted out from the get-go – get your mitts on the DCCC purse strings, and then everybody’s beholden to you. The Clinton Mafia.
On the bright side, at least it’s nice to be contemplating the power jockeying that comes with being in the majority.
Isn’t the Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs at the State Department where Cheney’s not-lesbian daughter holds her management sinecure?
One more link before I turn in. Just saw this anti- Harold Ford ad this evening.
http://www.plunderbund.com/?p=1121
Whoever did this one almost makes Ken Blackwell look like he’s got an iota of class.
I said “almost”.
the Nicest Blogger You Have Ever Met pipes up and says “he treats us like shit and he was really rude and dismissive to us on a conference call.”
My money’s on Chris Bowers. He looks so permanently sleepy-eyed and sort of lean and langorous like a sloth, but I can totally imagine him saying that.
This month’s Wired magazine jargon watch:
WTF? All the democrats, every single one?
From http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..v=hcmodule
TeddySanFran @ 108
If that’s true, then it’s only a matter of time before someone says, “Alberto Fernandez is not a nice man.”
Wired magazine has dropped the last syllable of our party’s name now, and they also don’t bother to capitalize it??
Okay, that tears it, the GOP is the Republic Party from now on, and their members are Republics. Let’s see how they like losing their last syllable!
I keep thinking Publican would be a good thing to call them. Kinda sounds biblical.
Ok. you caught me. It’s “Democratic party” Yikes.
newspaperbrat @ 104
I assumed it was Jane.
Nope: Liz Cheney, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, Near Eastern Affairs and Coordinator for BMENA (Broader Middle East and North Africa)
TIVO alert, Matt Stoller:
anjinsan @ 116
Not according to Junior. And he’s been reading, don’tcha know. Books, even.
;>)
From remarks by Robert B. Zoellick, Deputy Secretary of State, in Jordan in May 2005:
http://www.state.gov/s/d/forme…../46594.htm
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006…..y-you.html
Oooohhh! CTBob has a nice few words in his latest (above)
~~~”Petty Cash” and “Stipend Volunteer Payments”. Vague to the point of being completely untracable. That’s what is known inside the Beltway as a “slush fund” payment.
And somebody please tell me just how in hell do you PAY VOLUNTEERS? Either they VOLUNTEER, or they’re PAID STAFFERS! By definition, you can’t PAY a frickin’ VOLUNTEER!~~~
anjinsan @ 111
WTF? All the democrats, every single one?
"The Democrat Party?" Proves it was written by a Republican. Or someone from the Lieberman4Lieberman party. Same thing, I suppose.
Front page of tomorrow’s WaPo Style section, worshipful of Rahm:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01049.html
Valley Girl @ 122
LieberYouth!!
Jane Hamsher @ 123
WTF? All the democrats, every single one?
“The Democrat Party?” Proves it was written by a Republican. Or someone from the Lieberman4Lieberman party. Same thing, I suppose.
I’m getting my ass kicked here. Honest mistake. Honest. Wired will probably sue me now. But the WaPo will hire me. Maybe it works out in the end.
darkblack @ 120
Now that is an amazing speech. Bush is now blaming what’s wrong today on McGovern and Dukakis. How ironic, because historians/folks are going to be blaming a lot of awful things on George Bush for the next 50 years.
anjinsan @ 126
I see a bright future for you, anjinsan. You could be Jim Brady’s new best friend.
Not first priority right now (I assume) but geez- the Lieberman accounting statements do seem to violate campaign laws at least on the petty cash account- wondering if anyone is gonna go after him on this one…
Bush’s Library of Horrors – very funny article:
Bush on display
http://tinyurl.com/y2gy93
You could be Jim Brady’s new best friend.
HA HAAAAA HAAA HAAAAA!!
Jim Brady with friends.
That’s a good one.
Tell me another.
Valley Girl @ 129
It looks pretty fishy and illegal to me. Do we know anyone who’s particularly good with this sort of thing?
darkblack @ 120
But he’s still having trouble coloring within the lines.
jinny @
130
Jinny—that article is hilarious. Great find!
TRex @ 132
The only one who comes to mind right now of the “regulars” is Stephen Parrish CPA, though I haven’t seen him around lately- but with hours I’ve been keeping, maybe I’ve missed him. Maybe someone could email him. It would be nice to get a more educated opinion.
But he’s still having trouble coloring within the lines.
I’ve heard that the reason he sat there for so long reading “My Pet Goat” on 9/11 was because he was trying to finish the word he was reading before he did anything else.
BarbaraB @ 133
So he CAN change. He’s stopped eating his crayons! There is hope.
The Bush presidential library needs an Enron room, where the lights turn off and on randomly all day, in honor of the rolling backouts in California.
TRex- this is from http://nedlamont.com/blog/1894/petty-cash It shows a $135,000 petty cash entry. I linked it before, but I (and apparently others) missed the obvious about “volunteer stipends”- took CTBob to point that out! And, alas, I have no idea what 11 CFR 102.11. refers to. (edited- must be “campaign finance reform”- but no idea what the penalties are for violation.
~~From Adam B.
A political committee may maintain a petty cash fund out of which it may make expenditures not in excess of $100 to any person per purchase or transaction. If a petty cash fund is maintained, it shall be the duty of the treasurer of the political committee to keep and maintain a written journal of all disbursements. This written journal shall include the name and address of every person to whom any disbursement is made, as well as the date, amount, and purpose of such disbursement. In addition, if any disbursement is made for a candidate, the journal shall include the name of that candidate and the office (including State and Congressional district) sought by such candidate.
11 CFR 102.11. ~~~
Yeah, when people were calling Bush the CEO president, nobody bothered to mention that they meant Ken Lay.
TheOtherWA @ 138
CFR = Code of Federal Regulations
The latest email for the Liebercamp-
The debate will be broadcast live on WTNH Channel 8 at 8 p.m. and because seating is limited in the Center we will be holding three regional debate parties throughout the state.
There will be free food and drinks, so come out and root for Joe at one of the following locations:
New Haven
Toad’s Place
300 York Street
7:45-9:45pm
Hartford
Joe Black’s
31 Pratt Street
7:45-9:45pm
New London
Hanafin’s
310 State Street
7:45-9:45pm
You don’t need to RSVP, just make sure you bring friends!
(emphasis mine)
I wonder if that’s what all that petty cash is for, food and drinks. Anyone wanna go to these events and run up the bartab? :P
I see a bright future for you, anjinsan. You could be Jim Brady’s new best friend.
Remotely related. The WaPo’s Chris Cillizza has been appearing frequently on Tweety and Olbermann. His boss at the WaPo, John WATB Harris, has a new book out, so he’s been getting some exposure too, but not nearly as much as Cillizza. Looks to me like Cillizza is a lot sharper than his boss.
scarecrow @ 141
Thanks- I just edited my comment- with the the guess (wrong) that it was Campaign Finance Reform. Sorry. I sure would like to know what the penalties are for a violation of the CFR- or how much of a stink can be made by pursuing a case… and how…
scarecrow @ 125
I wonder what history he’s been reading, because he doesn’t cite a single author. And, his understanding of the origins of “Japanese democracy” is completely flawed. The US guided that process very, very carefully to ensure that it got what it wanted (one of the reasons why corruption is commonplace in the Diet). Bush is trying to do the same thing in Iraq, but much more ham-handedly and ineffectively.
But, blaming McGovern and Dukakis for calling the artificially-induced Cold War for what it was (and in Dukakis’ case, he was pretty close to right, anyway–the Soviet Union was coming apart as he ran for president) is typical of Bush. It’s meaningless today, and is meant to cast aspersions very widely–it’s not a policy speech, but, rather, yet another political speech–the Democrats are always cutting and running. That’s the theme, period.
Grandma Pelosi’s planned reward for Rahm, should his “plan” achieve victory next month:
Whoever said Congressladies can’t snark?
I am 100% convinced Ken Lay faked his death because they’ve dropped the charges against him. This is has been your friendly crockpot theory of the day, but stay tuned.
Exactly right, Jane. As is your heads-up on this as the major issue to come. However, you forgot to mention what a creep Rahm looks like, not only in this picture but every picture he appears in. Best to all.
Lamont gives $2M to flagging campaign
HARTFORD, Conn. – Democratic candidate Ned Lamont, trailing Sen. Joe Lieberman by a double-digit margin, dropped another $2 million into his Senate bid in Connecticut on Saturday.
The wealthy cable television executive has tapped his personal fortune for $12.7 million to fund his campaign.
Lamont has about two weeks to catch Lieberman, a three-term incumbent who has pulled to a 17-point lead, according to a recent poll. Lieberman lost the Democratic primary to Lamont and then launched an independent campaign.
http://tinyurl.com/y4umbs
anjinsan @ 137
President Uter, mit der bag of marzipan Joy Joys.
;>)
Renee in Ohio @ 115
It’s better than you know. In Rome, “publicans” were essentially private contractors for public services. Military supply for profit, collection of duties for profit, public construction for profit…sound familiar? In the late Republic and early Empire, they even did provincial tax collection for profit. (Even the GOP hasn’t managed that one…yet.)
EvilDrPuma @ 148
Actually, they have. The IRS was mandated to outsource some tax collection to private collection agencies early this year.
Cheers.
montag @
145
The IRS used to spend .03 on the dollar to collect back taxes using their employees. Now the private collection agencies get paid .24 on the dollar. What a bargain for the taxpayer, huh?
Are consevatives ever going to learn math?
Jinny,
How cute. Maybe we should lend him some of our books. I’ll throw in Fiasco and Conservatives without Conscience.
anjinsan @
147
Ken Lay could be living in Dubai, where paparazzi are shot on sight, under the auspices of the Wealth Protection Progam. You haven’t heard much about Michael Jackson lately, have you? The age of consent in Dubai depends on exogenous factors. As Cyndi Lauper sang, Money Changes Everything.
Late to the gathering….Sunday night of the NZ Labor Day weekend and the Kiwi unofficial start to summer.
Just saw the Michael Fox advert for Claire McCaskill …..he would certainly be effective in the Lamont campaign if that is appropriate…
Valley Girl @ 138
From http://www.washingtonwatchdog……tml#102.11
102.11 Petty cash fund (2 U.S.C. 432(h)(2)).
A political committee may maintain a petty cash fund out of which it may make expenditures not in excess of $100 to any person per purchase or transaction. If a petty cash fund is maintained, it shall be the duty of the treasurer of the political committee to keep and maintain a written journal of all disbursements. This written journal shall include the name and address of every person to whom any disbursement is made, as well as the date, amount, and purpose of such disbursement. In addition, if any disbursement is made for a candidate, the journal shall include the name of that candidate and the office (including State and Congressional district) sought by such candidate.
Valley Girl @40
Maybe they (the DCCC) got my message. Someone called my house from the DCCC with a poll.
The call was being recorded, so I simply told them what I thought. Maybe I’m one of many who’s unhappy with him.
NZ Expat @
157
Not really.
Of course, on the greater abortion issue, well…
And, if Mr. Fox, being an American citizen and entitled to speak, wishes to further his campaign then Lamont may benefit from a firm stance.
Margot @ 159
I hope so! Intersting* that the DCCC is doing polling. (*intersting- my best friend in CT’s son used to say “intersting” ~ 5yo instead of “interesting”- and now we always use “intersting” for something that is especially interesting!)
Great…I didn’t know the Lamont position on this but was hoping for this. I hope Michael Fox is aware of how vital the Connecticut race is.
montag @
101
Hold and build: it will have one soon.
Rahm Emanuel is not a strategist. He is a Clinton-creature with that same attendant focus on those things tactical (as well as monetary).
Rahm, like Hillary, and Bill before her, sharply focus on doing only those things necessary that lead to power. They figure that after attaining power there will be time enough to figure out what to do with that power.
Power is the goal. Not principles nor positions. The idea (and practice) is to avoid stating principles and positions because they get in the way of attaining power.
Ya’ gotta run “lean and mean” without all that unsightly baggage of principles and positions.
Jane’s point of Pelosi versus Rahm Emanuel/Steny Hoyer is only part of the Democratic leadership picture.
The even bigger picture is the Clinton “Power First” machine vacuuming money in hand over foot to stuff the war-chest.
And don’t provide but a lip-service pittance to your Democratic “colleagues” ’cause to Clintonites (like Rahm) “sharing” ain’t considered a virtue.
In the Clinton world, buying elections is cheaper than winning ‘em on the merits. Money runs things and after all, money does grow on trees.
Whereas principles and positions are a dime a dozen and can be acquired second-hand whenever your advisors/pollsters figure the price is sufficiently low not to dent the bank balance.
VG @ 161,
Don’t take my word for it that it was a poll. It may well have been a request for money, and that pissed me off, and the poor phone person was so good at that reflective listening.
“I hear you saying you’re angry…” lol, honey, I’m in OHIO. Yes, I’m angry.
I told her I did not like Rahm and would not give money to them as long as he was connected with DCCC, and as long as they didn’t listen to us, the voters. We don’t have jobs. We don’t have dental clinics, and you want me to give money to Rahm’s organization? Does Rahm have a fancy office and nice dental plan? Good, but no money for him. He’s working AGAINST my interests and he can go @$** off.
I think I closed with, “I have two words for you: Paul Hackett.”
Cspan is showing the Cantwell-McGavick WA senate debate, so I’ll check back in later.
The dem, Cantwell, is likely to win, thank God and Goddesses.
TheOtherWA @ 154
You obviously missed out on that home-schooled wingnutia math, “Faith-based Arithmetic”.
Junya’s an expert! That voice whisperin’ in his ear convinced him at 1 and 1 ain’t never equal to 2.
And trust Junya, you can take that to the Bank!
Now about that ocean-front property in Phoenix…
The north shore of the lake we live on is dominated by a non-denominational Christian camp with great onshore facilities, docks, canoes, nature paths, etc. This week in October usually goes to a youth group from several Anchorage churches. On Saturday nights in years past, they start a big bonfire after dark, and you can listen to enthusiastic high school kids doing their best to mimic the revival thing while they flirt chastely and gossip about the opposite sex in their mostly same sex groupings. Some years the singing has been strangely wonderful.
It may be a sign of the times that this year the bonfire is friggin’ HUGE, a lot of girls are screaming “Leave me alone” and “You can be turned in for that,” and “Get your hands of of me you jerk!” Little groups try to start a song and get laughed into silence.
The parents seem to have left.
My son’s garage band makes less noise. I expect the cops to show if they don’t pipe down by midnight. It is almost as if these Christian kids’ world is under more pressure than their usual stock of rituals can contain………
Ed*ard Teller @ 168
Wow, you just took me back to my overnight church camp when I was 13 almost 14. Ours at the time would be pretty unique.
I was in the Unitarian church which had this incredibly cool camp site in Rowe, Massachusetts. Little groups of cabins that accomodated about 6-8 campers and one counselor.
The kids were often given license to conduct the religious cermonies at this lovely tiny church a pleasant mile hike from the camp site.
I can remember, one time, a friend and I sang the song “Try not to get worried” from JC Superstar for one of the services. Damn, good times. Thanks for the memories.
Has anyone here ever heard of the LRY (Liberal Religious Youth)?
Sharon W,
Maybe a double wow. My youngest brother’s late wife’s Unitarian siblings from Massachusetts have talked to me about camp back home. Maybe it was the same one you are describing? They’re King family…
Ed*ard Teller @ 170
Holy Crap! That would be way cool, if true. I have the most incredibly fond memories of that six weeks of summer.
Rowe is little, teenie-tiny town with a population of under 500 in northwestern MA. It’s nestled in pure country. Our camp must have been a curiousity to the locals at the time. They essentially were invaded by hippies in the summer.
If your family talked of a camp, I can only imagine this was the one. It was available to all Unitarians in Mass and Conn, and maybe other New England states, as far as I know. My memories of campers were of those from CT and Mass.
I wish I could recall last names from back then, but only remember a few. What town are they from? I remember a lot from Springfield.
Okay, this is really a stretch, but sometimes I like to listen to my inner child when it burps up a name out of the blue. Peter King?
SharonW @ 172
bingo…..a double wow now tripled.
bingo…..a double wow now tripled.
Sigh.
I love stuff like that. Just further proof that we’re all a big family.
meanwhile, the “church camp” – as we call it – is getting even louder… go for it, kids – get down like pirates!
TRex @ 174
200 million years worth, bro!
OT
Just ducking in for a sec – terrific ad for Larry Grant via C&L.
Like mcjoan says,
See you all after 11/7.
Hi op!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…../235622/98
Ed*ard Teller @ 173
OH MAN, OH MAN!!!! You have no idea what magic that place creates. There you have it! It’s still working its spell.
Now I’m roaming my brain to remember which person he was and how well I knew him. Tell you what. I’ll set up a little photo album some time, and I’ll upload the group picture taken from that summer. :)
Since all that came flooding back and it had been a long time since I last searched for Rowe on the web, I just did a new search. Dang, if they’re not fully up and running now with their own site.
Check it out:
http://www.rowecenter.org/
And lo and behold, I’ve discovered there’s an alumni register. All thanks to you, Edward! Happiness does run in a circular motion. :)
TRex @ 174
TRex, well if you turn out to be my favorite boss from a real estate consulting firm that I worked for in the 80’s then it’s truly Twilight Zone time. ;)
Honestly, you remind me so much of Paul. I cried when he left the company…in front of him…and all the other employees. Sorta embarrassing.
He was just the nicest, funniest, snarkiest guy I ever met with an intellect to match. There was nothing better than taking a lunch break with Paul.
Alaska Update
Races are tightening. Alaska is less in play than many red states, but the GOP controls everything short of our Supreme Court, so any gain will be notable.
Governor’s race: Sarah Palin the photogenic GOP rockstar in glasses is flip-flopping on how to deal with the North Slope natural gas conundrum. The oil companies have been burning off enough ng to fuel the states of Oregon and Idaho for the past thirty years. Everyone wants a solution, but the battle is between the oil giants’ preference for a convoluted contract to tie an ng line to one going down to Alberta from the mouth of the Mackenzie, and a route which would follow the Alaska pipeline to Valdez (with a spur to Anchorage) for conversion to LNG.
Palin’s Dem opponent, ex-Governor Tony Knowles wants to throw out all previous plans, or so it seems. Knowles is closing on Palin, but probably not enough to pull off a win. He’s down from 17 points behind to between 12 and 15 points.
The U.S. House race is tightening fast, with Diane Benson closing on Don Young over the past two weeks from 30 points down to 16. And that was before this week’s series of three unconnected articles in Anchorage’s daily newspaper highly critical of Young.
http://www.adn.com/news/politi…..6972c.html
http://www.adn.com/news/politi…..0242c.html
http://www.adn.com/opinion/sto…..2957c.html
Unless the cleft between believers in honesty and believers in power is deeper than I’ve perceived, the GOP will retain control of the state legislature.
John Casper @
52
I wonder how fast the Saudis are intending to build their border wall? Caspar quoted from Stan Goff earlier. I’ve agreed all along with what Goff says in that same article, that the war was lost immediately when the invasion was started, mostly because of the impossibility of truly winning an aggressive war with murky and immoral objectives. But in addition, the map and regional geopolitics seemed set up from the start for a textbook lesson in how to lose an army.
Skipping over a lot of earlier bad signs to the problem at hand, to have a successful Dunkirk, the troops have to be able to get to the Gulf, where the Fleet would manage the rescue. Right now, news reports suggest that most are pulled into the Baghdad area, minus about a billion dollars worth of ordnance and armor that they had last week, of course. The rest of the troops seem to be strung along a corridor stretching up to Kirkuk. Below that line is, mostly, Al-Anbar with its long Saudi border and numerous towns from which we made the “strategic” withdrawal to try to secure Baghdad, while on the other side of it in the segment below Baghdad, tight to the Iranian border, is the string of towns the militias—is it just Sadr?—are putting together. I’ve lost enough games of Go that this topology really looks dire to me. I guess the alternatives would be to try an air evacuation (imagine!) or to negotiate a withdrawal (in our dreams!)… This must be what starts Gen. Pace’s tears to flowing …
OnT, thanks Jane for the post, and Alice Marshall for the Hoyer anecdote. I’d never paid much attention to him frankly, but the alert sure sounds warranted. As for Emmanuel, well, he’s enough of a Daleyite that only years of expiation would have a chance to convince an old Chicago hand that his agenda’s any better than the hacks currently in charge, and might not.
prostratedragon @ # 181,
So is this going to be more like Stalingrad, the Demyansk pocket, or the Cho-sin Reservoirs?
TRex, well if you turn out to be my favorite boss from a real estate consulting firm that I worked for in the 80’s then it’s truly Twilight Zone time. ;)
I’m afraid that I was just a high-schooler in the 80’s, possibly the only time in my life I was less qualified to run a real-estate office than I am now.
He sounds like a delightful person, though.
Hey, tonight, I was at a meeting at this kind of convention deal with my very dear friend Alicia. We were sitting there listening to the speaker when this guy walked into the room and sat down and I heard Alicia’s breath catch.
She gently tapped my arm and breathed, “Look at that beautiful man!” into my ear.
Well, after the meeting there was a reception and a huge group of people standing outside, and who should wander by but Mr. Handsome. He looked kind of like a slender, elegant version of Owen Wilson.
My friend has been single for about six months, and I thought she could use a bit of a flirt, you know, just to keep her instincts up. Her last boyfriend was a diiiiiiiick and we’re very glad he’s gone. And here we are, in another town, far away from Evil Ex Boyfriend, so I figured, what the hey?
So, I spent about an hour manuevering it. I watched him and saw who his friends were, all the while eeeeeasing our group a little closer to his, a little closer, just a little closer.
Alicia went inside to make a phone call and I said, “Now, everybody move one giant step to the left. Ready?”
“Why?” asked my other friend Suzanne.
“So when Alicia gets back, we’ll be a little bit closer to that guy she thinks is so cute.”
And we all moved a little closer to Mr. Handsome and friends.
There was an awful ten minutes or so, where it looked like he left. I split off from my group to do some reconaissance (SP?). I didn’t see him, but I did see one of his friends, a cute girl with glasses that look like mine, but more feminine and cat-eye-like.
“I like your glasses,” I said.
“Thanks,” she said, “I like yours.”
And we chatted amiably away and wandered back to where our friends were. Mr. Handsome was back, but Alicia was gone.
DAMN!
But, I got Denise, my new friend, to introduce me to all her friends, including Mr. Handsome, who, it turns out, is named Tim.
So, naturally, when Alicia returned, I said, “Oh! I want you to meet my best friend, Alicia! Alicia, this is Tim, Tim, this is Alicia.”
And oh, thank God for Alicia’s good sense. She’s so cool under fire. She didn’t even bat an eye.
So, first I began to subtly manuever the three of us away from the others. Then, I did everything I could to get the conversational ball rolling and as soon as everyone was laughing and getting on like a house on fire, I announced that I was going in search of the gents’, effectively leaving them alone together.
THREE HOURS LATER, they had swapped phone numbers and are meeting for brunch in the morning(!!!!!). I haven’t seen Alicia this giddy over anyone, ever. HA!! Well, he is very, very, very good looking. But then, so is she.
So, am I the coolest friend ever or what?
And with that, I will bid you all bonne nuit. Sleep well. Enjoy tomorrow. Be happy.
Ed*ard Teller @ 180
They’ve depended upon air power (to a considerable extent, whether publicized or not), so my guess is that it will more resemble the Berlin Airlift. If there’s a decision to abandon the war entirely, or move troops to Kuwait and Qatar, it will probably be done by air. They’ll drop everything and move people, and then abandon bases and equipment to the Iraqis.
That’s the scenario that would most profit defense contractors, so I would guess that’s what they will do….
I should add, on edit, that they really don’t want to give up those permanent-but-not-permanent bases. They want to keep a presence in a place where they have Rumsfeld’s “lily pads.” The only way a flight out of Iraq becomes a reality is if it’s the last political option.
TRex @ #183,
What a story, party and conclusion. Yeah, you’re OK. I’m not so sure about Tim, though.
TRex @ 183
Oh, TRex, you totally rock. Man, I’d love someone like you watching my back. Move the whole group one step to the right?!?! ROFTL! That’s just too cool on several levels.
Edward, darlin’, if you’re still awake and here, sonnovagun if the Rowe alumni site doesn’t have the group picture loaded. See if you can spot any distantly related relatives.
Any other peepers, have a good healthy look at real live hippies in their natural habitat, assuming this goes through. :D
http://rowealumni.org/archive/…..n=14398288
LRY!!! Yea!
Looks like Steny needs a proper primary opponent.
montag @ 185
I have no ideas or projections on how this will turn out. This little bit from a speech I gave in early 2004:
[I am] worried that American forces in Iraq, as the situation would inevitably deteriorate, would undergo their own degradation of morale, morality and effective command and control. Sure enough, Yahoo carried a report on April 3, 2004 of Marines preparing revenge missions to Fallujah. Tank barrels in Baghdad are embellished with slogans like “bloodlust” and “kill them all” (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040402/ts_nm/iraq_hatred_dc&cid=564&ncid=1473) as our troops prepare for the next stage in our efforts to bring democracy to the Middle East.
Twisted Martini @
17
Rahm is a devious bastard is what Rahm is……
I have seen Congressman Rahm’s last name spelled at least three different ways in this thread. The definitive spelling would appear to be Emanuel–one m, one n.
http://www.house.gov/emanuel/
SharonW @ 188
Great picture! Ah, 1972….
Notice the utter absence of early obesity. You would’t see that in this year’s picture. gotta love us some corn sugar…..
On the subject of Bull Moose, how could anyone take an article seriously when the author starts out referring to himself this way:
The Moose ponders the identity of the donkey’s Newt.
The rest of the article was nearly as nonsensical.
Folks, this isn’t just about testosterone, as earlier comments would seem to suggest. Marion in Savannah is closer to the truth. It’s really about the the toxic mix of testosterone and stupid. I can’t imagine a woman, no matter how stupid, referring to herself that way.
neurophius @ 192
thus spake neurophius on the profit Emanuel.
Ed*ard Teller @ 195
I’m sure I have misspelled it various ways in the past. I would note that Jane did not misspell it in the front page story–she did not use it directly–but one of her quoted sources did get it wrong.
Ed*ard Teller @ 195
You have to love any language that has homonyms like that one.
Cujo359 @ 195
Especially in the age of televangelists. :)
montag @ 198
Bless you, my children. Speaking of whom, the kids at the JC camp across the lake (see #168) have settled down and gone off to their oath-of-abstinence bunkhouses.
Why is Rahm Emanuel’s picture posted? Don’t tell me there’s anyone out there that trusts him or even likes him. Someone above said that Emanuel stated he is leaving the DSCC after the Nov. 7th election. Doesn’t surprise me any. He’s some kind of ‘operative’ in the Hillary’s campaign for the presidency. He’s an original and pure Clintonista. Emanuel (with the Hillary’s blessings, I’m sure) trashed Howard Dean at every given opportunity. He’s from the Lieberman school of politics.
DON’T TRUST RAHM EMANUEL!
Good Morning Firepups,
Cool and clear here in central Jersey, with just a hint of light on the horizon. Looking forward to gaining more light in the morning when we switch to standard time in a week.
Just caught up on ‘Lake conversations–lots of news and good ideas on Saturday threads. Won’t be around much today, either. I have a playdate with Mr. NJP–Dylan exhibit at the Morgan Library and a chamber concert.
NY Times is doing several regional endorsements in metro area congressional races. Saw posts about NY & CT endorsements here & at The Great Orange Overlord Kos. In the NJ section of today’s Times there was also an endorsement for Linda Stender in NJ-07, a good progressive Dem running against Mike Ferguson [yeah Linda! you go girl!].
Thinking good thoughts for FDL’s Tommy Yum and his son Esten. Deep condolences to Christy, for the loss of her uncle, who upheld the family tradition of service to the nation. More good thoughts to darkblack, whose ex-spouse has ALS.
Many thanks to all the folks who live in CT, who have been giving frequent updates on the Senate race, and thanks to the many FDL regulars who have gone to CT to canvas and call for Ned. You’re working the most symbolic race in the country, and we all applaud you.
Thanks to all of you who have posted links, suggested language for emails and letters, pulled together talking points for phone calls. A special hat tip for another FDL regular from NJ: millineryman.
And to everyone who has given time and money to help elect Democrats to Congress, to begin the Era of Accountability, thank you from the bottom of my heart. You set a high standard for all of us.
“I would like to begin looking for leadership from the members of the party who got it right.” – J H
Like Al Gore……
Gore/Clark 08
Go Ned!
coming up on c-span1… matt stoller
Matt Stoller is effing perfect.
he dissed KKKarl beautifully!
Morning, all!
Hey, it’s Matt! I just saw him a week ago.
And somebody phoning in just said “Shit”!
angie @ 203
started out a little slow, but boy is he kicking butt now!
Mary Katherine Ham.
Idiot.
Stoller is amazing, even in the face of “sh*t” on the air!
Methinks the Ham has a hairball.
ack, cough, hack, hack.
btw, why do the stoopid people and rethugs say Eye Rack instead of Iraq?
(note to self: no more live blogging.)
Hi selise! (waving madly)
.
howdy angie! (waving back)
p.s. angie – love your live-blogging… please don’t stop!
omg– that caller from PA made me cry!
Ham is a stank.
Stoller is exposing Lieberlierman. Kevin Tillman’s commentary being broadcast now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow. Matt just called the Republican leadership “a malignant cancer”. He’s not pulling any punches this morning.
oh… awesome caller on c-span… ww2 vet saying that this administration, more than any other, has made him fear for the republic – mentions habeas corpus…
and matt then replies with “malignant cancer”
one-two punch.
ha-ha
angie and ctbog – you type (and probably think) much quicker than i do!
Now Jane.
Were you serious when you said someone could blow you?
What would that be like?
Matt is speaking so cleverly on global warmng and authoritarianism.
Ham is a sham.
OT: A shout out for Peace and Justice, and golden healing light for Esten and the others in the Yum family.
matt just keeps getting better and better… now, talking about the people holding their parties responsible and how the republicans are not doing that now.
Old Sow @ 217
yes, thank you OS …. and for marksb too.
Wow, Matt closed strong with the remark about how Republicans thinking is that “stupid” and “racist” may mean a candidate isn’t quite ready for a Presidential run.
I dunno…I was worried that was a requirement for Republicans!
Agree w/previous commenter -
Stoller started out slow but REALLY picked up steam. This session of C-Span another good example of some of the idiotic comments from republic callers in their support of bush. Example: should support the war b/c soldiers are over their protecting “our” (meaning U.S.) freedom. Yeehhhhhhh, now the reason we’re there is protecting our freedom, not theirs.
Ham comes across as support repubs just b/c they’re not dems. Stoller has definitely gotten in some good “gotchas” including mention of Michael Fox ad.
I am stunned.
Matt was brilliant.
David Kuo (Tempting Faith) supposed to be on C-Span2 @8:56 ? 9:00.
Enough of the “Pun-dim-wit’s!”
If you’re wrong on 3 counts, you’re off-the-air. Three strikes and you are OUT!
Enough!!!
PS: If you don’t quite get it, Kristol and Barnes, this means you…
Re: C-SPAN with Matt
Matt was clearly in the best position to better the Ham girl in this mini debate, had the high ground as it were. He kept his cool and had the facts ready to fend off her probes.
Several times he left her with no other retort that to claim that he was “over the top”. Like HST said, “I just tell them the truth and they think it’s hell”. He pointed to the obvious contradictions in her arguments and had her floundering.
The highlight for me was when the old vet called in and dressed Ham down, the look on her face was telling.
Attaboy, Matt!
More like this, please.
Mornin’. Glad to see someone awake enough to take on the liveblog this a.m. Yay Matt S, angie, and selise!
(((((((tommy and esten)))))))
Jane,
You’re always good at this stuff, but this is one of your finest posts since the early Plame days. We can tolerate the usual internal differences in the Democratic Party. We’re used to it. It’s called “democracy.” But there are priorities now, and they aren’t the devisive Religious Right issues.
-They’re about a solid plan in Iraq.
-They’re about cleaning House with K-Street and corruption.
-They’re about open-ness in government.
-They’re about reunifying the American people around our Constitution.
-And they’re about OVERSIGHT – retrospective and prospective.
As noted above (TeddySanFran @124 ) today’s WP has an article on the front page of its “Style” section of Rahm. Pic should be cut out & pasted on dartboards everywhere: you can just feel the arrogance oozing out of him.
Rahm Emanuel was on NPR the other morning, demonsrating why so many of us are fed up with the Democratic machine. He never answered a single ‘yes/no’ question with a simple clear answer. Is it any wonder that the undecided find no comfort in such indecisive and evasive leadership?
Hopelessly late to the party, but…
Hoyer is my rep. He’s been around forever, Since 1980, to be exact. In the past 8 years this district (MD-5) has shifted further and further right, which seems to mean the district is aligning itself more and more with his own ideology. He’s unopposed in the general election. I don’t know what it’d take to beat him in a primary, but there are obviously no takers.
And on 60 Minutes tonight Pelosi pledged that impeachment was completely off the table. She doesn’t need to be so adamant about that, but she chooses to bring it up again and again. Ticks me off.
Poopyman – why don’t you run next time. The real right wingers will be ripe for the pickin in two years. I would do it if I lived somewhere I could run. I’m in Missouri and have a decent ‘congressman and two lousy senatorsl Hoping Jim Talent bites the bullet and sinks like a stone in this election. He’s a nasty little bit of workk. “Bond has been senator for a long time. he looks a little impaired at times and he’s getting up there. Down the road, Ks isn’t selecting a senator this year, but the dems will win almost everything else. “They need to get rid of Pat Roberts – a neocon piece of crap. Nancy Boyda is running in the western part of the state for representative. She commin close. This election is too far away. Bush is capable of much evil between now and then.