Comments on: To Heroes, Past And Present http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 06:47:38 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Adie http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-344208 Adie Sat, 21 Oct 2006 20:12:35 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-344208 <p>db 137</p> <p>thanks for that lil’ postscript.</p> <p>figured, from yer nice ;-)<br /> & t’was legit opining even w/o same, no?<br /> I AM a flaming partisan, especially this year*g*</p> <p>LOVE your art, BTW! Always look fwd to it.</p> db 137

thanks for that lil’ postscript.

figured, from yer nice ;-)
& t’was legit opining even w/o same, no?
I AM a flaming partisan, especially this year*g*

LOVE your art, BTW! Always look fwd to it.

]]> By: Danny L. McDaniel http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343518 Danny L. McDaniel Sat, 21 Oct 2006 02:08:00 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343518 <p>The Mideast era for the United States is over. Many of the same mistakes the U.S.were made in Vietnam, and vowed never to make again, have been made in Iraq. President Bush and Congress have squandered a decade with American blood and treasure. No one wants to make the comparison to Vietnam but here it is:<br /> (1) Both Iraq and South Vietnam were situated in bad neighborhoods where their neighbors were overtly hostile to democracy.</p> <p>(2) American troops are holding and dying for the same ground day after day; not actually a morale builder and discipline maker. Similar to Vietnam</p> <p>(3) The President and the military brass have lost their way and react instead of preparing for the future. Remember LBJ frustration at not being able to control the situation.</p> <p>(4) Overall, the American people have lost their belief in the War and popular support is gone.</p> <p>This will be the biggest embarassment in American history and the Middle East will now become the domain of Iran and Syria. The two countries we wanted to isolate and defeat by proxy in the first place. </p> <p>It was blunder and we now must figure out a new way to conduct foreign and the effective use of military power.</p> <p>Danny L. McDaniel<br /> Lafayette, Indiana</p> The Mideast era for the United States is over. Many of the same mistakes the U.S.were made in Vietnam, and vowed never to make again, have been made in Iraq. President Bush and Congress have squandered a decade with American blood and treasure. No one wants to make the comparison to Vietnam but here it is:
(1) Both Iraq and South Vietnam were situated in bad neighborhoods where their neighbors were overtly hostile to democracy.

(2) American troops are holding and dying for the same ground day after day; not actually a morale builder and discipline maker. Similar to Vietnam

(3) The President and the military brass have lost their way and react instead of preparing for the future. Remember LBJ frustration at not being able to control the situation.

(4) Overall, the American people have lost their belief in the War and popular support is gone.

This will be the biggest embarassment in American history and the Middle East will now become the domain of Iran and Syria. The two countries we wanted to isolate and defeat by proxy in the first place.

It was blunder and we now must figure out a new way to conduct foreign and the effective use of military power.

Danny L. McDaniel
Lafayette, Indiana

]]> By: darkblack http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343319 darkblack Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:35:26 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343319 <p><a href="#comment-343228"><em>Adie @<br /> 135 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p><em>darkblack</em> 116</p> <p><em>“Partisan”</em>? why yes, actually.<br /> Guilty as charged - so far, anyway. Happy to accept the verdict. </p></blockquote> <p>I’m just teasing, Adie…Riffing on the ‘unmutual accusations’ around FDL of late.</p> <p><em>‘In your heart, you know Clinton is to blame’</em></p> <p>;>)</p> Adie @
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darkblack 116

“Partisan”? why yes, actually.
Guilty as charged – so far, anyway. Happy to accept the verdict.

I’m just teasing, Adie…Riffing on the ‘unmutual accusations’ around FDL of late.

‘In your heart, you know Clinton is to blame’

;>)

]]> By: woppppppe http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343230 woppppppe Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:29:05 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343230 <p>That Tillman thing should be read by EVERYONE!</p> That Tillman thing should be read by EVERYONE!

]]> By: Adie http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343228 Adie Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:28:18 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343228 <p><em>darkblack</em> 116</p> <p><em>“Partisan”</em>? why yes, actually.<br /> Guilty as charged - so far, anyway. Happy to accept the verdict. b.e.c.a.u.s.e - Experience tells me I’m right on this one, based on long history watching what the guy DOES, not just what he says.</p> <p>I’s scientist by training, married to same. Therefore, hard to convince either of us any other way. We’ve lived here over 30 years, & seen the career develop. The guy’s a legit. progressive, always has been.</p> <p>If the situation changes such that we lose confidence in him, I’ll let you guys know. Deal?</p> darkblack 116

“Partisan”? why yes, actually.
Guilty as charged – so far, anyway. Happy to accept the verdict. b.e.c.a.u.s.e – Experience tells me I’m right on this one, based on long history watching what the guy DOES, not just what he says.

I’s scientist by training, married to same. Therefore, hard to convince either of us any other way. We’ve lived here over 30 years, & seen the career develop. The guy’s a legit. progressive, always has been.

If the situation changes such that we lose confidence in him, I’ll let you guys know. Deal?

]]> By: russael http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343219 russael Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:22:43 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343219 <p>Christy,</p> <p>Thanks for the beautiful song.</p> Christy,

Thanks for the beautiful song.

]]> By: Mommybrain http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343168 Mommybrain Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:33:57 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343168 <p>oooo, I double second crockpot recipes!</p> oooo, I double second crockpot recipes!

]]> By: KathieinMN http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343164 KathieinMN Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:31:32 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343164 <p><a href="#comment-342974"><em>kirk murphy @<br /> 71 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-342940"><em>Christy Hardin Smith @ 42</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>btw, gang, I’m a little wiped out at the moment, so if anyone has a good suggestion for a “Pull Up a Chair” topic for tomorrow morning…I’d love to hear them. Thanks.</p></blockquote> <p>Here in the Bay Area the autumn harvest is in full glory…</p> <p>is it too late in the year for autumn recipies for, say:</p> <p>(1) road munchies - for the door to door campaigners</p> <p>(2) dining for dollars - home fundraiser munchies…</p> <p>(3) “war room” food - stuff you can leave out all day for grazing while working. Criteria: no utensils needed, not junk food, staff that eat on day #2 or #3 (after serving) won’t get sick(er).</p></blockquote> <p>Yeah - I was going to suggest a food topic as well! How about fall veggies, or crockpot recipes for when everyone is busy on campaigns?</p> <p>My condolences on your loss, Christy.</p> <p>Kathie</p> kirk murphy @
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Christy Hardin Smith @ 42

btw, gang, I’m a little wiped out at the moment, so if anyone has a good suggestion for a “Pull Up a Chair” topic for tomorrow morning…I’d love to hear them. Thanks.

Here in the Bay Area the autumn harvest is in full glory…

is it too late in the year for autumn recipies for, say:

(1) road munchies – for the door to door campaigners

(2) dining for dollars – home fundraiser munchies…

(3) “war room” food – stuff you can leave out all day for grazing while working. Criteria: no utensils needed, not junk food, staff that eat on day #2 or #3 (after serving) won’t get sick(er).

Yeah – I was going to suggest a food topic as well! How about fall veggies, or crockpot recipes for when everyone is busy on campaigns?

My condolences on your loss, Christy.

Kathie

]]> By: punaise http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343133 punaise Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:03:43 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343133 <p><a href="#comment-343042"><em>kirk murphy @<br /> 118 </em></a></p> <blockquote> <p>mommybrain, when I look at troll activities I look for two sets of consequences:</p> <p>1) content </p> <p>2) group dynamic/ group emotional tone</p> <p>[…]</p> <p>FDL and EarthFirst! are very different groups - […] </p></blockquote> <p>great analysis, kirk murphy.</p> <p>sometimes FDL is Mirth First</p> kirk murphy @
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mommybrain, when I look at troll activities I look for two sets of consequences:

1) content

2) group dynamic/ group emotional tone

[…]

FDL and EarthFirst! are very different groups – […]

great analysis, kirk murphy.

sometimes FDL is Mirth First

]]> By: The Nefarious Leslie http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343119 The Nefarious Leslie Fri, 20 Oct 2006 19:41:32 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/20/to-heroes-past-and-present/#comment-343119 <p>I’m sorry for your loss, Christy. Our active military, and our veterans, deserve much better than they’re getting in terms of support for themselves and their families. </p> <p>I just saw, via dKos, <a href="http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20061013/news_7m13bread.html">this story</a> about military families at Camp Pendleton increasingly having to rely on food donations to get by. That is a disgrace. My father served for 20 years, and he didn’t get the lifetime health care for himself and his spouse that the government promised him; but he wasn’t treated as badly as the troops are today, either. We need to do better.</p> I’m sorry for your loss, Christy. Our active military, and our veterans, deserve much better than they’re getting in terms of support for themselves and their families.

I just saw, via dKos, this story about military families at Camp Pendleton increasingly having to rely on food donations to get by. That is a disgrace. My father served for 20 years, and he didn’t get the lifetime health care for himself and his spouse that the government promised him; but he wasn’t treated as badly as the troops are today, either. We need to do better.

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