Comments on: A Little Morning Deja Vu http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 10:52:54 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Gentleman Jim http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-342651 Gentleman Jim Fri, 20 Oct 2006 14:00:25 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-342651 <p>Just a historical note on the Tet Offensive.</p> <p>However bad you think today’s casualties are from Iraq, the Tet Offensive was truly staggering at the time, I remember it vividly. The U.S. lost approx. 650 soldiers (killed) per week for 6 weeks straight for a total of 4,000 dead service men in a month and half. Their were approx 80,000 American wounded in the same six weeks.</p> <p>If those numbers came out of Iraq today, the public would freak-out big time.</p> <p>I especially remember it because Gen. Westmoreland had just testified before Congress and said it was going great with his infamous comment; “there’s light at the end of the tunnel”</p> Just a historical note on the Tet Offensive.

However bad you think today’s casualties are from Iraq, the Tet Offensive was truly staggering at the time, I remember it vividly. The U.S. lost approx. 650 soldiers (killed) per week for 6 weeks straight for a total of 4,000 dead service men in a month and half. Their were approx 80,000 American wounded in the same six weeks.

If those numbers came out of Iraq today, the public would freak-out big time.

I especially remember it because Gen. Westmoreland had just testified before Congress and said it was going great with his infamous comment; “there’s light at the end of the tunnel”

]]> By: powwow500 http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-342021 powwow500 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 23:19:32 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-342021 <p>DAMN RIGHT I’VE HAD ENOUGH!</p> <p>Am voting straight DEM ticket this year!</p> DAMN RIGHT I’VE HAD ENOUGH!

Am voting straight DEM ticket this year!

]]> By: mightymouse http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-341923 mightymouse Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:10:22 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-341923 <p>“Fire in the Lake” by Frances FitzGerald is a good Viet Nam book.</p> <p>What’s sad is that defeat in Viet Nam was an opportunity for Americans to learn something. But since discussion of the war is not really encouraged in the public square, its lessons remain unlearned by too many.</p> “Fire in the Lake” by Frances FitzGerald is a good Viet Nam book.

What’s sad is that defeat in Viet Nam was an opportunity for Americans to learn something. But since discussion of the war is not really encouraged in the public square, its lessons remain unlearned by too many.

]]> By: bruce http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-341794 bruce Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:03:41 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-341794 <p>Thanks for the classic Buffalo Springfield. Fun to see the boys playing with the lip-synching game…</p> Thanks for the classic Buffalo Springfield. Fun to see the boys playing with the lip-synching game…

]]> By: David Rieser http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-341743 David Rieser Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:18:28 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-341743 <p>Bush’s reference to Tet is Conservative code for liberal betrayal. Someone wrote some months ago comparing the conservative meme of liberal betrayal in Vietnam and fascist betrayal myths, most prominently, the German myth that Germany was stabbed in the back to lose WWI. So when Bush or anyone else throws down this talking point, they are not analogizing Iraq to Vietnam, they are reminding their base that they need to act to prevent another betrayal. It’s another way of playing the cut and run card but more subtle and sumbliminal.</p> Bush’s reference to Tet is Conservative code for liberal betrayal. Someone wrote some months ago comparing the conservative meme of liberal betrayal in Vietnam and fascist betrayal myths, most prominently, the German myth that Germany was stabbed in the back to lose WWI. So when Bush or anyone else throws down this talking point, they are not analogizing Iraq to Vietnam, they are reminding their base that they need to act to prevent another betrayal. It’s another way of playing the cut and run card but more subtle and sumbliminal.

]]> By: prostratedragon http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-341727 prostratedragon Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:56:23 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-341727 <p>Phi-test: Φ</p> Phi-test: Φ

]]> By: BobbyG http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-341719 BobbyG Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:44:05 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-341719 <p>Let’s alienate ALL Muslims!!!<br /> _____</p> <p><b>Denied Entry<br /> U.S. security officials have prevented an influential Islamic scholar from attending a conference in New York.</b><br /> WEB EXCLUSIVE<br /> By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball<br /> Newsweek</p> <p>Updated: 3:54 p.m. PT Oct 18, 2006</p> <p>Oct. 18, 2006 - A leading member of Britain’s Muslim community, headed to New York for an academic conference, was forced to leave his transatlantic flight without explanation by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security earlier today.</p> <p>The removal of Kamal Helbawy, the 80-year-old founder of the Muslim Association of Britain, came just minutes before his American Airlines flight was due to take off from London’s Heathrow Airport. The incident is the latest instance in which U.S. security officials have denied prominent Muslim leaders entry to the United States.</p> <p>The move startled officials at New York University Law School who had invited Helbawy to be a featured speaker at a conference the organization is sponsoring Thursday night on the Muslim Brotherhood movement. “He’s a really respected guy,” said Paul Cruickshank, a fellow at the law school’s Center for Law and Security, which had organized the conference. “He’s very influential within the Muslim community in Britain and his name is recognized throughout the world.”</p> <p>Spokesmen for the Homeland Security Department and FBI declined any immediate comment on why Helbawy, a British citizen with a valid passport, was removed from the plane. A senior U.S. government official, who declined to be identified talking about sensitive matters, said he was puzzled by the incident because there appeared to be no intelligence reporting linking Helbawy to terrorism…</p> <p>URL: <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15320752/site/newsweek/">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15...../newsweek/</a></p> Let’s alienate ALL Muslims!!!
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Denied Entry
U.S. security officials have prevented an influential Islamic scholar from attending a conference in New York.
WEB EXCLUSIVE
By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball
Newsweek

Updated: 3:54 p.m. PT Oct 18, 2006

Oct. 18, 2006 – A leading member of Britain’s Muslim community, headed to New York for an academic conference, was forced to leave his transatlantic flight without explanation by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security earlier today.

The removal of Kamal Helbawy, the 80-year-old founder of the Muslim Association of Britain, came just minutes before his American Airlines flight was due to take off from London’s Heathrow Airport. The incident is the latest instance in which U.S. security officials have denied prominent Muslim leaders entry to the United States.

The move startled officials at New York University Law School who had invited Helbawy to be a featured speaker at a conference the organization is sponsoring Thursday night on the Muslim Brotherhood movement. “He’s a really respected guy,” said Paul Cruickshank, a fellow at the law school’s Center for Law and Security, which had organized the conference. “He’s very influential within the Muslim community in Britain and his name is recognized throughout the world.”

Spokesmen for the Homeland Security Department and FBI declined any immediate comment on why Helbawy, a British citizen with a valid passport, was removed from the plane. A senior U.S. government official, who declined to be identified talking about sensitive matters, said he was puzzled by the incident because there appeared to be no intelligence reporting linking Helbawy to terrorism…

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15…../newsweek/

]]> By: Christy Hardin Smith http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-341703 Christy Hardin Smith Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:29:15 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-341703 <p>Beth at 114 — I haven’t been in a few years since I got pregnant with The Peanut. San Jose was the last one that I attended (I was two months along then, and put on bedrest for the duration shortly after returning home, due to an almost miscarriage…yes, I have always overdone it.)</p> <p>I miss it. I do have a newsgroup on sffnet, but I’ve been so busy here that it hasn’t been very active.</p> Beth at 114 — I haven’t been in a few years since I got pregnant with The Peanut. San Jose was the last one that I attended (I was two months along then, and put on bedrest for the duration shortly after returning home, due to an almost miscarriage…yes, I have always overdone it.)

I miss it. I do have a newsgroup on sffnet, but I’ve been so busy here that it hasn’t been very active.

]]> By: beth meacham http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-341687 beth meacham Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:14:45 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-341687 <p><a href="#comment-341612"><em>Christy Hardin Smith @ 91</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>(If you have a familiarity with the science fiction community, you know what I mean.) </p></blockquote> <p>Yeah, just a little. :) I don’t think I’ve ever run into you, though.</p> Christy Hardin Smith @ 91

(If you have a familiarity with the science fiction community, you know what I mean.)

Yeah, just a little. :) I don’t think I’ve ever run into you, though.

]]> By: timr http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-341680 timr Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:09:51 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/10/19/a-little-morning-deja-vu/#comment-341680 <p>One more book about Vietnam(I participated for several years) which I have always thought was quite good is this one<br /> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Lake-Vietnamese-Americans-Vietnam/dp/0679723943">http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Lak.....0679723943</a><br /> About face is good, and there are almost 150 others that I have in my library that I could recommend. Vietnam was a war that we never should have gotten involved in. 2 more are Street Without Joy, and Hell in a very small place. Books on the first Indochina War that our top Generals(and LBJ) should have read before getting us into that quagmire. Lots of soldiers wrote about their experiences in Vietnam, and I expect that in the years to come books about the Iraq war will come out. This war is so much like Vietnam, from the different religions, and tribes to the fact that we went in with our eyes closed and our ears blocked, unable to both see and hear what we should have.<br /> Fiasco, State of Denial, and Hubris are 3 good books on Iraq. My war library expands.</p> One more book about Vietnam(I participated for several years) which I have always thought was quite good is this one
http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Lak…..0679723943
About face is good, and there are almost 150 others that I have in my library that I could recommend. Vietnam was a war that we never should have gotten involved in. 2 more are Street Without Joy, and Hell in a very small place. Books on the first Indochina War that our top Generals(and LBJ) should have read before getting us into that quagmire. Lots of soldiers wrote about their experiences in Vietnam, and I expect that in the years to come books about the Iraq war will come out. This war is so much like Vietnam, from the different religions, and tribes to the fact that we went in with our eyes closed and our ears blocked, unable to both see and hear what we should have.
Fiasco, State of Denial, and Hubris are 3 good books on Iraq. My war library expands.

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