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		<title>By: ekppp</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/18/late-nite-fdl-the-view-from-here/#comment-341715</link>
		<dc:creator>ekppp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Already, we’re hearing that their reaction to David Kuo’s book is to demonize and attack Kuo rather than face up to the truth that they’ve been done over by the Republicans.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think they’ll do both.  These are people pathologically averse to admitting they are wrong.  They will expend their dying breath insisting the silver bullet in their lung is plated.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You are quite right, though, it’s amusing as all get out.  We need to mete out unkind justice until the election, then (fingers crossed) pass the popcorn, and the shivs.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Already, we’re hearing that their reaction to David Kuo’s book is to demonize and attack Kuo rather than face up to the truth that they’ve been done over by the Republicans.</p>
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<p>I think they’ll do both.  These are people pathologically averse to admitting they are wrong.  They will expend their dying breath insisting the silver bullet in their lung is plated.</p>
<p>You are quite right, though, it’s amusing as all get out.  We need to mete out unkind justice until the election, then (fingers crossed) pass the popcorn, and the shivs.</p>
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		<title>By: Guitar_Playing_Bastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guitar_Playing_Bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-341227&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;darkblack @&lt;br /&gt;
                273              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-341217&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 263&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;lily-livered&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s not the type of phrase I would &lt;em&gt;normally&lt;/em&gt; associate with a ‘guitar playing bastard’, Mr. Bastard, sir.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More like…’Sh*t-backed father-f**king finch felchers’, I would suspect.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;;&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hey, someone already threatened to ban me once. I could turn the place blue-black but I think the point was made. ;)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have to fight like a pack of wild dogs to win. I wish more “progressives” understood that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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                273              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-341217"><em>Guitar_Playing_Bastard @ 263</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>lily-livered</p>
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<p>That’s not the type of phrase I would <em>normally</em> associate with a ‘guitar playing bastard’, Mr. Bastard, sir.</p>
<p>More like…’Sh*t-backed father-f**king finch felchers’, I would suspect.</p>
<p>;&gt;)</p>
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<p>Hey, someone already threatened to ban me once. I could turn the place blue-black but I think the point was made. ;)</p>
<p>We have to fight like a pack of wild dogs to win. I wish more “progressives” understood that.</p>
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		<title>By: jw</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/18/late-nite-fdl-the-view-from-here/#comment-341675</link>
		<dc:creator>jw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;T -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No doubt this will be lost in the thread, but in case you do read it… you need to pay closer attention to what your reading before responding. No doubt Wildmon is a wild man, but his quote is about a pro-gay “organization” within the Repub party. The idea that there is one is likely just another right-wing talking point (that has gone awry), but he qualified his comments with the recognition that it might be going on, not that it is.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“If you’ve got &lt;b&gt;that&lt;/b&gt; going on, that subverts the will of the people; that subverts the voters. That is subversive activity. There should be &lt;b&gt;no organization&lt;/b&gt; among staffers in Washington of that nature, and if they find out that they’re there and they’re a member, they oughtta be dismissed el pronto.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A pro-gay organization could have both heterosexuals and homosexuals. His point about this being subversive is also valid. If the democrats in the congress who support equal rights for homosexuals were to find an underground coalition of staffers working actively against that agenda, wouldn’t they be acting correctly in rooting them out and getting rid of them?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T -</p>
<p>No doubt this will be lost in the thread, but in case you do read it… you need to pay closer attention to what your reading before responding. No doubt Wildmon is a wild man, but his quote is about a pro-gay “organization” within the Repub party. The idea that there is one is likely just another right-wing talking point (that has gone awry), but he qualified his comments with the recognition that it might be going on, not that it is.</p>
<blockquote><p>“If you’ve got <b>that</b> going on, that subverts the will of the people; that subverts the voters. That is subversive activity. There should be <b>no organization</b> among staffers in Washington of that nature, and if they find out that they’re there and they’re a member, they oughtta be dismissed el pronto.
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<p>A pro-gay organization could have both heterosexuals and homosexuals. His point about this being subversive is also valid. If the democrats in the congress who support equal rights for homosexuals were to find an underground coalition of staffers working actively against that agenda, wouldn’t they be acting correctly in rooting them out and getting rid of them?</p>
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		<title>By: kristinejoy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/18/late-nite-fdl-the-view-from-here/#comment-341670</link>
		<dc:creator>kristinejoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know this thread is dead, but I can’t let go.  TRex, please don’t stop.  For some of us this issue is FUCKING personal.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have been under the most conservative admin in memory for 6 years, and I still don’t fear that I’m going to end up in an internment camp.  I’m raising kids, damnit, out and open without fear.  When you protect the closet, you spit in the face of all of us with the courage to be authentic.  The closet is homophobia institutionalized.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Out the fuckers.  Everyone.  Whatever pain it may cause to a lying self-hating individual so be it.  I want this to be a better world for MY children, and I will not compromise.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this thread is dead, but I can’t let go.  TRex, please don’t stop.  For some of us this issue is FUCKING personal.   </p>
<p>We have been under the most conservative admin in memory for 6 years, and I still don’t fear that I’m going to end up in an internment camp.  I’m raising kids, damnit, out and open without fear.  When you protect the closet, you spit in the face of all of us with the courage to be authentic.  The closet is homophobia institutionalized.</p>
<p>Out the fuckers.  Everyone.  Whatever pain it may cause to a lying self-hating individual so be it.  I want this to be a better world for MY children, and I will not compromise.</p>
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		<title>By: kristinejoy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/18/late-nite-fdl-the-view-from-here/#comment-341634</link>
		<dc:creator>kristinejoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-341188&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;HopeSpringsATurtle @ 242 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Kirk at 99 says:”err - I’ve only been in SF three years…and with that shallow a connection I’ve met very reliable academics who happen to be lesbian and refer to Condi as the “dyke with the dick” (as Bush’s Sec of State).
&lt;p&gt;Apparently San Francisco is closer to Palo Alto than the ex-Provost believed.&lt;br /&gt;
The ex-Provost was described as “stern, but switchy”.&lt;br /&gt;
Wish she’d take the flogger after Shrub’s sorry behind - she’s said to be good with it.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wouldn’t trust a bunch of dykes outside the Lexington anymore than I trust dubya. It has a name, it’s called ‘gossip’ Most do it. Kirk I’m disappointed that you would too.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A bunch of dykes?  What the hell?  Now I’m offended.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-341188"><em>HopeSpringsATurtle @ 242 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><blockquote>Kirk at 99 says:”err &#8211; I’ve only been in SF three years…and with that shallow a connection I’ve met very reliable academics who happen to be lesbian and refer to Condi as the “dyke with the dick” (as Bush’s Sec of State).</p>
<p>Apparently San Francisco is closer to Palo Alto than the ex-Provost believed.<br />
The ex-Provost was described as “stern, but switchy”.<br />
Wish she’d take the flogger after Shrub’s sorry behind &#8211; she’s said to be good with it.”</p>
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<p>I wouldn’t trust a bunch of dykes outside the Lexington anymore than I trust dubya. It has a name, it’s called ‘gossip’ Most do it. Kirk I’m disappointed that you would too.</p>
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<p>A bunch of dykes?  What the hell?  Now I’m offended.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Tomkins</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/18/late-nite-fdl-the-view-from-here/#comment-341623</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Tomkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Night of the Long Knives&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s an especially bad time for these folks to be having their little “resolution of contradictions within the Party”, because their Leader has just gotten habeas corpus suspended, and can eliminate anyone he finds inconvenient.  It’s true that the immediate effects of the Enabling Act that the Reichstag passed after the Reichstag Fire, was that a lot of Social Democrats were rounded up.  But, several months later, Hitler found it necessary to have hundreds of his own supporters from opposite wings of his movement, the SA leaders and von Papen, summarily executed.  More moderate folks at the time tended to take heart from the Night of the Long Knives, as if a policy of “let one reptile devour another” was a firm basis for sensible governance, yet those official murders were only the first of many.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Night of the Long Knives</p>
<p>It’s an especially bad time for these folks to be having their little “resolution of contradictions within the Party”, because their Leader has just gotten habeas corpus suspended, and can eliminate anyone he finds inconvenient.  It’s true that the immediate effects of the Enabling Act that the Reichstag passed after the Reichstag Fire, was that a lot of Social Democrats were rounded up.  But, several months later, Hitler found it necessary to have hundreds of his own supporters from opposite wings of his movement, the SA leaders and von Papen, summarily executed.  More moderate folks at the time tended to take heart from the Night of the Long Knives, as if a policy of “let one reptile devour another” was a firm basis for sensible governance, yet those official murders were only the first of many.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter in Hastings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter in Hastings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a point of order, you can’t have “thousands” of gays (doubtful) and call them “token”.  “Token”, by definition, is “a few”.  These aren’t “token” gays, they’re self-loathing or self-deluded or quisling gays. They’ve knowingly sided with the Republicans because:&lt;br /&gt;
1) They’re repressed and don’t want to acknowledge their gayness  OR&lt;br /&gt;
2) They buy into the economic and military platform planks and swallow their pride regarding the social issue planks that deride gays  OR&lt;br /&gt;
3) They’re driven by blind ambition, swallow their pride, and push on ahead.&lt;br /&gt;
Or a combination of all three.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have always been struck at how gay male Republicans live up so much to a stereotype of repressed gays from the 1950s. They’re quoiffed in a certain way, carry themselves in a certain way. It’s very much a classic Mormon-esque gay uniform as much as the jeans and white t-shirt and baseball cap Christopher Street uniform of my local gay population. I realize some may be offended by the stereo-typing here, but I’m telling you, there’s something to this. It’s like somewhere in the nexus between repression/politics/subverted homosexuality is Buttoned Down Hyper Slick Playing-Straight Gay Man (Huffington, Mehlman, Foley, all of them).  At first, kind of amusing. But then, just a little creepy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a point of order, you can’t have “thousands” of gays (doubtful) and call them “token”.  “Token”, by definition, is “a few”.  These aren’t “token” gays, they’re self-loathing or self-deluded or quisling gays. They’ve knowingly sided with the Republicans because:<br />
1) They’re repressed and don’t want to acknowledge their gayness  OR<br />
2) They buy into the economic and military platform planks and swallow their pride regarding the social issue planks that deride gays  OR<br />
3) They’re driven by blind ambition, swallow their pride, and push on ahead.<br />
Or a combination of all three.</p>
<p>I have always been struck at how gay male Republicans live up so much to a stereotype of repressed gays from the 1950s. They’re quoiffed in a certain way, carry themselves in a certain way. It’s very much a classic Mormon-esque gay uniform as much as the jeans and white t-shirt and baseball cap Christopher Street uniform of my local gay population. I realize some may be offended by the stereo-typing here, but I’m telling you, there’s something to this. It’s like somewhere in the nexus between repression/politics/subverted homosexuality is Buttoned Down Hyper Slick Playing-Straight Gay Man (Huffington, Mehlman, Foley, all of them).  At first, kind of amusing. But then, just a little creepy.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peterboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;so when does pumpkin head ask Ken: Ken, you are gay. It is not something you hide in Washington. How do you square that with serving a party that runs on an attack-gay-lifestyle program in many states, and opposes gay marriage?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so when does pumpkin head ask Ken: Ken, you are gay. It is not something you hide in Washington. How do you square that with serving a party that runs on an attack-gay-lifestyle program in many states, and opposes gay marriage?</p>
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		<title>By: FishGuyDave</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/10/18/late-nite-fdl-the-view-from-here/#comment-341385</link>
		<dc:creator>FishGuyDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Okay, heading over to new thread…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, heading over to new thread…</p>
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		<title>By: RevDeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevDeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 12:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;closing words&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Repugs have to come home and vote for more repugs so we can stack the court more.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Repugs have to come home and vote for more repugs so we can stack the court more.</p>
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