
The Center for American Progress is hosting a conference for Democratic leaders under the rubric of "Securing the Common Good." Former President Bill Clinton is currently speaking on MSNBC as the conference keynote, and the talking heads on the network have been building the speech up quite a bit this morning.
Bill Clinton mentioned an Andrew Jackson philosophy early on in the speech: "opportunity for all, special privileges for none." Which got me thinking about how far away from that we are at the moment. I don't think that we have ever, as a nation, been in a spot where Americans genuinely lived in a society where everyone had an opportunity to live out their dreams, or where the haves weren't getting more while the have nots were wondering how to stop getting less.
But at the moment in George Bush's America, there seems to be a vast gulf between the two extreme ends — perhaps exemplified most clearly in the vast salaries that many CEOs are paid today, and the need that so many Americans have to work two and three jobs just to have heat and food.
I don't advocate a sort of social redistribution of wealth, but isn't it about time that we all, as Americans, started thinking about our own individual responsibilities for each other? Getting away from so much "me," and heading toward a little more "we."
There are fundamental differences between conservative and liberal philosophies, but a lot of the end goals tend to intersect — it's the means to get there that cause the disputes, often times. On the one hand, we need more of a clash of ideas on all sides to test these means and ends through the refiner's fire of intellectual challenge. But the other hand is a more difficult challenge: how do we come together in the end to get something done? Is that even possible in the current environment?
I ask myself that a lot, but I haven't come up with anything better than this from Digby:
That "majority of the majority" is especially important when looking at this period of Republican rule. In one of the most cynical decisions of their reign (and there have been many) they consciously governed without any support from the opposition, even to the point of scuttling popular bipartisan legislation rather than allowing the opposition to participate in any meaningful way. There has never been a case of partisanship so severe in American history.
Throughout this period they successfully manipulated and co-opted the media in a thousand different ways. Their decades long project to mau-mau the press about its alleged liberal bias and the emergence of rightwing media served to obscure this story as it was unfolding. The leaders of the political media became ensconced in the new Republican political establishment and reflected their attitudes and biases….
This will, I predict, be the latest fad: bipartisan nothingness. Now that the Republicans have successfully moved the political center so far to the right that they drove themselves over the cliff, we must stop all this "partisan bickering" as if the Democrats have been equally partisan and therefore can ask for and expect the right to meet them halfway, which they never, ever do. That means we must let their most heinous ideas congeal into conventional wisdom, let their criminal behavior go unpunished, clean up the global disaster they've created, do the heavy lifting to fix the deficit they caused. While we're fixing things, they'll count their ill-gotten gains, catch their breath and gear up to trash the place all over again.
Modern bipartisanship can be simply defined as Democrats repeatedly getting taken to the cleaners by Republicans. Until the rules of the game are changed it will remain so whether Democrats are in the majority or not….
This time the stakes are so high and the failures so manifest that we cannot allow this zombie revolution to rise again. No matter how tempting it is to let bygones be bygones and get to work to "fix" the problems, the Democrats must recognize that fixing the problem requires discrediting this Republican revolution once and for all. Until that happens, they will keep coming back and each time they do they destroy a little bit more of our democracy.
After yesterday's Republican torture bill Constitutional shredder fest, I'm not remotely close to declaring bygones. Not by a long shot. Bipartisanship only works if both sides are honestly committed to working together. And the Republican Party has a long, long way to go to earn back any trust from me, thank you very much.
But that doesn't mean that I'm willing to sacrifice my principles for revenge either. Which got me thinking this morning — what is it that motivates me as a progressive? What motivates you? What is it, at your core, that keeps you involved in politics — where do you want to see this nation of ours, your community, all of us — go, in the next few years?
Why are you a progressive?
PS — Here's something amusing (not!) for you. While I was finishing this post, Noron cut away from the speech coverage on MSNBC to talk with two members of Congress, and asked the Democratic member to pledge that the Dems would do no investigation of the Bush Administration if they re-gained control of the House because, as Noron characterized it, it would make the last two years of the Bush presidency "a living hell, so to speak." Jeebus. Talk about a weird juxtaposition as I'm adding in the Digby quote.
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Christy!
Good morning!
While I was finishing this post, Noron cut away from the speech coverage on MSNBC to talk with two members of Congress, and asked the Democratic member to pledge that the Dems would do no investigation of the Bush Administration if they re-gained control of the House because, as Noron characterized it, it would make the last two years of the Bush presidency “a living hell, so to speak.”
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It’s like saying you shouldn’t open a murder investigation so that you can spare a jury the horror of seeing the crime scene photos.
Just sent back 2 of the many requests for money from the Clintons. Again, they will get $$ when they show up for Ned. Everyone gets tons of mail from Bill and Hill. Maybe if we all made a statement…
Love the photo, by the way. Any idea when we’re going to build a wall around her?
and Noron just broke back in for another little bit of the President’s speech after saying that “you know he talks for a long time…”
guess they only like soundbytes unless the chimp is prevaricating in staccato bursts of gibberish.
sheesh.
…Noron cut away from the speech coverage on MSNBC to talk with two members of Congress, and asked the Democratic member to pledge that the Dems would do no investigation of the Bush Administration if they re-gained control of the House because, as Noron characterized it, it would make the last two years of the Bush presidency “a living hell, so to speak.”
I sure as hell hope the Dem didn’t bite on this…
I think I posted this at the Digby comment Christy quoted, but I’ll say it again; We need to destroy the Republican brand. By this I mean that people will equate “Republican” with “New Coke with arsenic in it on Firestone tyres.” If we can get BushCO into orange jumpsuits in the next two years, hopefully they’ll be reduced to the level of the British Conservative party-long term (10 years plus) opposition.
Oh please.
“Don’t tell Mommy.”
Thats exactly what I want. Pass the popcorn.
Re: the Noron commentary, I wish the member would’ve tossed it back at her with something along the line of “Are you suggesting that there’s nothing worth investigating, or that we should ignore any allegations of impropriety because it would hurt the President’s feelings?” Yes, I understand the potential problems to the party with doing such a retort, but jeebus indeed…
Legal question here. FBI agents seem to be finding a pattern of Mark Foley chatting up 16 and 17 year-old boys with sexually explicit IMs and then having sex with them after they turn 18. My initial thought was that this was technically legal, but the people in the story pointed out that, if you’re telling a 17 year-old that you’d like to have sex with them, but not until they turn 18, you’re STILL soliciting sex from a minor. It’s the age at which they’re being solicited that’s important, not the age they’ll be when you actually have the sex. Is this correct? The story said that some prosecutors would have already indicted him by now.
“I’m Not ready to Make Nice”
We (they) wasted how many years of the Clinton presidency investigating anything and everything? And now they don’t want any investigations…too bad! Act like grown-ups with values and they wouldn’t have any worries. Instead they pushed partisanship to the extreme AND broke so many laws that the few good reporters can’t keep up.
Assuming at least a victory in the House, I believe the best way to dismantle the Gooper machine for good is through fully transparent investigations that show America the real values of this regime.
I don’t want to hear that it will slow business to a trickle of leave us unable to provide security. Bullshit. The Dems need to stand unified in passing no-nonsense common sense legislation that the majority of the majority will agree with: securing the Homeland, lowering the deficit, protecting our soldiers, and sane health care policy. They can this and still investigate the crap out of the illegalities, the Constitutional destruction, the K St. money machine, and the Iraq war fiasco.
The above will keep me fighting the good fight after the election. Strong leadership, unity, action. If they pull a “meet them halfway” Digby scenario they’re going to again see disenfranchisement of the left in huge #’s.
FishGuyDave @ 10
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I’d be even more blunt than that: “Are you suggesting that we should NOT investigate child sex predators?” If they want to try to spin it as, “That’s the Republican Congress, not the Republican White House,” it’s fine with me.
punaise @ 12
Ed Zachary.
Frank Probst @
3
touche. the opposit of “no harm, no foul”
‘I don’t advocate a sort of social distribution of wealth…’
Well, why not? The repugnants have enacted a social distribution upwards ever since Bush showed up. It has been their policy for as long as any one can remember. So why not the opposite? The tax system has always been the means of determining who gets what. No matter what, the tax system will ultimately decide who is rich, less rich, poor, more poor. Every politician distributes wealth up or down. We are hardly living in the cozy, rural world of the thirteen original colonies anymore where stalwart yeoman tilled and prospered. Just one example: when the tax system allowed people to deduct their mortgage interest from their income tax many, many people were able to buy houses for the first time in their families’ history, that is, wealth being redistributed. Get with it, money is not a sacred gift from a deity. It’s life and blood, taxes and wealth, the U.S. and its people.
There’s a credible outing of a Republican Senator up at http://www.blogactive.com
There’s a less credible outing of another Republican Congressman up at http://www.waynemadsenreport.com
I’m having trouble keeping track of them all.
Bustednuckles @ 15
isn’t he the new bass player for the Dixie Chicks? :~)
Frank Probst @ 11
I think the age of consent would figure in also. The most interesting point here is that he was violating his own legislation (although he may have done so only before it was enacted).
Why? Because I’m a patriot. Not that I use the term the way the Limbaughs and Savages and Coulters of the world use it.
I was in junior high school when Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy were murdered, but they and others like them were my formative political heroes. I hear King recite the Declaration of Independence from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, or Kennedy say “I dream of things that never were and ask why not”, and tears come to my eyes just like they did so many years ago. I believed in my teenage heart that these “why not” things would surely come to pass, and my generation would see to it.
My dream was stolen, and I want it back. That’s why I’m a progressive.
Nice piece Redd. Good stuff at WP on the issue of partisanship vs. doin what’s best for the country.
Supposing that the dems win at least one house- they will have many immediate decisions to make- including “Do they continue the rules developed by goopers to minimize the impact of the minority party- or do they set the clock back to a bi-partisan rule set?”
GW Clusterfuck will also have to decide whether to harden his partisan warfare approach or to try to get some things done during his last two years with dems in power.
Ironically, dems winning could save his historical legacy. It would provide cover for him to back off some of the worst of his decisions and actually get some things done on a bi-partisan basis that most americans want.
He worked pretty effectively with a dem legislature in Texas- so he knows how to do it- but it would crater his image with his neandrethal base.
rat bastahd @ 13
Oh please yes!! That would do very well for me too.
(I’ll consider forgiving them after that, if, IF, they admit that they’ve done wrong to everyone else in the country
and that they are, as a group, racist homophobic religious bigots.Frank Probst @ 11
It looks to me like he threaded the needle on this, legally. He knew exactly what he was doing, legally, IMO “Talking up sex” is very different than soliciting. I’ve yet to see one legal talking head cite any law that he may have broke. Remember one of the IM’s asking the guy when his birthday was?
Why are you a progressive?
liberty and justice for all.
wherein justice encompasses fairness and equality of opportunity.
“opportunity for all, special privileges for none.”
Sounds great but…….reality rears its ugly head:
http://vids.myspace.com/index……=935607276
Here’s another Bobby Kennedy quote that today’s progressives should keep in mind:
“Few men are willing to brave the disapproval of their fellows, the censure of their colleagues, the wrath of society. Moral courage is a rarer commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential, vital, quality for those who seek to change a world which yields most painfully to change.”
Noron cut away from the speech coverage on MSNBC to talk with two members of Congress, and asked the Democratic member to pledge that the Dems would do no investigation of the Bush Administration if they re-gained control of the House because, as Noron characterized it, it would make the last two years of the Bush presidency “a living hell, so to speak.”
I don’t know how the Democratic member responded, but I would say this to Noron:
“The last six years have been a living hell precisely because there have been no meaningful checks and balances on the damaging, extremist policies of the Bush regime. In order to fix our country, Congress has to perform its oversight duties so that it can help repair the damage that’s already been done by the ruling regime, and prevent future damage from occurring.”
And if I was being really snotty, I’d add:
“The press should also resume its traditional role of exposing wrongdoing in government no matter who or what party is in power. While there have been some encouraging signs during the past year that the press has started awakening from its long slumber, for the good of the country, it should not revert to its previous role as lapdog for the Bush regime. Because it refused to do its job as a watchdog for America, the press bears much of the responsibility for turning the early years of this century into a living hell.”
ReneND @
4
Thanks Renee for such a fine idea – duh and all this time I’ve been pitching these pleas for money in the recycle bin.
I am a progressive because I have a heart, and believe no human should be forced to live in abject poverty.
Because I’m grateful for what I have been able to achieve, and like to give back.
Because I instinctively root for the underdog.
Because I believe that a meritocracy benefits us all much more than an aristocracy.
Because I believe our environment and natural resources belong to all of us, not simply those with the power or contacts to buy them below market value.
Because I believe America’s greatness is based on it’s “bottom” 80%, not “top” 20%.
Because my god isn’t short of cash, and teaches me to enjoy, respect, and champion diversity.
Because guys like Ken Lay, and his family, laugh all the way to the grave, and beyond.
Because 45 million Americans (including me) are uninsured.
Because I like to look myself in the mirror.
I hate the phrase “under the rubric of.” Sorry it just had to be said.
Other than that another great piece.
I want the truth(s) to come out about George Bush. I want this president to take responsibility for his actions while “serving” in the public domain. It will perhaps be the first time in this man’s entire life that he his been forced to take responsibility for his behavior. Most of all, I want our children to notice we grown-ups were concerned about the difference between right and wrong. And did the best we could to make things right. I want the world to cease thinking of us for what we have become. Gross hypocrites.
Cozumel @
23
I agree Coz, although whether Foley was ultimately that disciplined, remains to be seen. Showing up drunk at the page residence hall, doesn’t inspire confidence that he stuck with his plan.
Hastert, Boehner, Reynolds, Shimkus…, however, are in a legal ditch of their own making. They have all said, repeatedly, they didn’t know anything. That’s because they didn’t investigate and didn’t document. This is all taking place under Federal sexual harrasment law. It sounds to me as though they have all provided excellent evidence that they failed to provide a “safe” workplace.
Why am I a progressive?
Probably because my Republican parents taught me the value of honesty, hard work and tolerance. They were raised and lived through the WWII period in Chicago, so they took their suspicion of Dem machine politics with them when they started a family in the Pacific Northwest. I grew up in an affluent part of Seattle, where you could be a progressive Republican.
My experience in the Army during the Vietnam War was fairly early on – ‘65-’67, and I associated my experience then with LBJ and his Dem administration. When I got out and helped draft dodgers get to Canada, I was initially helping them get out of an injustice overseen by Dems. But Nixon’s election didn’t help. At all. Eventually, though remaining a Republican until 1982, I found myself voting for more Dems than GOPers. When the Godsquad showed up at GOP central in ‘82 – Falwell and his crew – I left the party entirely, and can’t remember voting for a Republican since.
After the Exxon Valdez, I turned Green, but still mostly voted for Dems instead of my own party. I stayed with the Greens for fifteen years because the Dems dithered or sucked up to corporate needs on the most crucial issues involving the environment. But like a lot of Greens, I’ve joined the Dems now, hoping that this election cycle will re-open the Dems to a true progressive agenda, like the better aspects of JFK, LBJ and Jimmy Carter.
I’m progressive now mostly because it is where the honesty, hard work and humanity my Republican parents (who eventually in the late ’80s turned Dem) taught me resides. The Greens are useless, and the GOP are on a deathride to destroy any evidence that the human experience has been good for the planet.
I heard that Noron comment about investigations, too. Well, booooo-fuckin’—hoo, Noron, and KKKKKKarl, and Laura. We have had enough of you.
Enough of the media “cleaners” coming in to do the wetwork of enabling covering up Republican/Bush crap. Lousy decisions, criminality, whatever the final judgement, history won’t make it if we just cover it up.
Yep, I’ve had enough.
p.s. if we don’t learn from history, we’re destined to repeat it.
I don’t want to repeat this debacle of the BushCo years.
Why am I a progressive?
Because I believe that my well being is tied up in the well being of my community.
Because I believe in workplace safety regulations, environmental protection laws and procedures, and laws to keep the marketplace fair and even.
Because I believe that a legal system in which everyone deserves to see the evidence against them, deserves to confront their accusers, deserves to know on the basis for their detention, deserves to have competent counsel at trial, deserves to have an impartial judge, and deserves to have access to a full appeal of any judgments against them is not just good, but essential to a free and open society.
Because I believe that a foreign policy that uses engagement and diplomacy is an essential part of making the world a safer and saner place.
Because I believe that science matters.
Because I believe that a nation is ultimately measured by its treatment of those on the margins – the poor, the infirm, the very young and very old, the social outcasts, and others left to the side of the road.
Because I believe that as great as this nation is, it can always be better – and that starts with me.
We owe history a thorough airing of where America went wrong, so that we can get back on track again and not ever again become so complacent that these thugs can regain control.
/rant…
Gooper congresscritter Phil English is the latest supposedly closeted gay gooper to be outed. He is one of the only gooper congresscritters in Pa. who is NOT currently in deep political trouble. He’s also one ugly motha- so whatever his sexual orientation- he’s probably not gettin any.
Is Noron Norah O’Donnell? If so, I love it. Not that she is a moron, but that she chooses to act like one.
“Why are you a progressive?
PS — Here’s something amusing (not!) for you. While I was finishing this post, Noron cut away from the speech coverage on MSNBC to talk with two members of Congress, and asked the Democratic member to pledge that the Dems would do no investigation of the Bush Administration if they re-gained control of the House because, as Noron characterized it, it would make the last two years of the Bush presidency “a living hell, so to speak.” Jeebus. Talk about a weird juxtaposition as I’m adding in the Digby quote.”
Why am I a progressive?
I demand accountability and responsibility from elected public officials. I expect honest debate between the left and the right. I trust a country built on the rule of law so that those who are guilty of breaking it pay the appropriate penalty.
Jeez, you’d think I was a conservative.
Election 2006: The Fix is Already In
How Rahm Emanuel has Rigged a Pro-War Democratic Congress
Urban Pirate @ 30
Thanks Urban Pirate. My thoughts exactly.
Peterr @ 36 said it better than I could.
From the Washington Post today:
By Peter Baker and Michael A. Fletcher
Updated: 5:33 a.m. CT Oct 18, 2006
On desks around the West Wing sit digital clocks counting down the days and hours left in the Bush presidency, reminders to the White House staff to use the time left as effectively as possible. As of 8 a.m. today, those clocks will read 825 days, four hours. But if the elections go the way pollsters and pundits predict, they might as well read 20 days.
At least that would be the end of George W. Bush’s presidency as he has known it. If Democrats win one or both houses of Congress on Nov. 7, the result will transform the remainder of Bush’s time in office and dramatically shift the balance of power in Washington. Ending a dozen years basically passed in exile, congressional Democrats would have a chance to help steer the nation again — following a campaign spent mostly assailing Bush’s vision rather than detailing their own.
Lou Costello — holy crap, that was some awesome rant you linked. Jeepers, never heard Carlin that raw before, which is saying a lot. People are laughing like cackling hens, and he is dead-f*cking-serious.
“…it’s called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.”
Wow.
Sophist –
Rahm = AIPAC
I want Rahm’s seat on the target list for a primary run — especially if we don’t win the majority in the House.
One way or another, Iraq will be off the table by 2008. Goopers aren’t going to live with that albatross around their necks through yet another election cycle. We will be on our way out with a withdrawal plan that has been endorsed by both parties. If Clusterfuck doesn’t aqree, Goopers will assassinate him.
Why are you a progressive?
FOR – Separation of church and state
AGAINST – Hypocrisy
That pretty much eliminates the Republican Party ; )
Sophist at 42 — with Murtha running for Majority Leader? Um…something doesn’t add up.
Cozumel @ 49
Saw a great bumpersticker in a church parking lot last Sunday: “How about trying the separation of church and hate?”
Quentin @ 17
I agree, but we have a tough row to hoe in getting the message out. Thanks to Reagan and his followers, anything remotely resembling redistribution is challenged as “socialist” – just as Social Security was when it was proposed. So we need to move the debate to the point where that charge is no longer a deal-breaker for most Americans. The right has been doing this with their issues by presenting and discussing views that had hitherto been considered “beyond the pale”. See the Overton window for a complete discussion. I know the author is a wingnut welfare recipient, but he has some good analysis.
The best issue to start with? Universal health care, of course.
I guess I hit the magic word that gets your post sent to moderation.
MayDaze at 53 — there is nothing in moderation at the moment, so perhaps your post didn’t make it through…try refreshing your screen and see if it’s already posted above before re-typing it.
rat bastahd @ 13
i was thinking the same thing. no action of the clinton administration was to obscure to go under the gop spotlight, but now they cry like babies at the thought that the boy king might get his bottom spanked. yeah, payback’s a bitch, isn’t it.
John Casper @ 33
True, John. Gotta go catch a plane.
Viva Las Vegas ; )
Re: Harry Reid and Lamont
Remember our discussion of Harry Reid’s inexplicable cowardice with regard to Lieberman yesterday.
Well it appears Reid may be starting to get our message.
Here is an email that Reid recently sent out. It is posted over at the official Lamont blog:
(Soon to be Majority Leader Harry Reid sent this out earlier today. Use the link in this email on your blogs when asking folks to volunteer down the stretch for Ned’s campaign—Tim)
As a former boxer, I see the kind of fight in Ned Lamont that we need in Washington to change the course of the country.
He will stand up against Bush Republicans and work alongside Chris Dodd and I for meaningful accountability and oversight in Congress.
There’s less than one month until election day.
Will you visit Ned’s website and sign up to volunteer for his camapign down the stretch?
http://www.nedlamont.com/page/s/emailsignup
Ned Lamont’s background as a successful entrepreneur promises to bring with it a fresh approach to solving the problems created by a Republican-controlled Congress.
Will you sign up at Ned’s site and get involved with the GOTV effort over the final twenty days?
http://www.nedlamont.com/page/s/emailsignup
This campaign is going to be won on the ground, and it’s going to take an army of volunteers.
Are you up to the challenge?
Harry Reid
- by Tim Tagaris | 10/18
Here’s the link to the Lamont blog with the Reid letter:
http://nedlamont.com/blog
Heads up! You may be hearing about today’s CT Senate debate sooner rather than later. It appears that the media was clamoring to be let in on this while WFSB TV was trying to keep it as their exclusive. From the Hartford Courant, again (man, they’re full of stories on this race today):
Why are you a progressive?
Because I’VE HAD ENOUGH!
Why don’t you support “a sort of social redistribution of wealth?” Do you really think that we can create a more equal society with the current imbalances of wealth and power?
Under 1% of the population owns 40% of the wealth in this country. Can we even pretend to be a democracy or an “opportunity society” as long as so few have so much?
This used to be a basic of progressive thinking. How on earth can you call yourself a “progressive?” This is sad.
Oklahoma kiddo, 9:26am: I too have two countdown clocks on my desk, one set for 11/7/06, one for 11/4/08, but doubt the faceplates I made for them would be White House approved: “Rubber Stamp Republicans. Their Time is Up.” “A President, Not a King. Restore Balance of Powers”. “While Bush runs out the clock, the Country runs out of Time. Had Enough?”. “We the People. Taking Back Our Country One Seat At A Time”.
It gives me great satisfaction to watch the time run out for Bushco and Co.
Get Out The Vote!!!!!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 54
Sorry, Christy. It’s the first time my message didn’t show up right after I hit “submit comment”. Occasionally the “refresh comments” doesn’t work (I’m on Internet Exploder) so it may be the same type of thing. It’s there now (#52).
This email from Reid is a major sign that he is feeling the pressure from real Democrats to take a stand for Lamont in the Senate race.
Let’s keep the pressure on Reid to go all in, with a public statement that Lieberman will NOT retain his seniority if he wins on November 7. If Reid is willing to write emails for Lamont, he can be pushed to weigh in on Lieberman’s seniority.
Here’s Reid’s DC office number. Call it. Tell Reid his email is a start, but he absolutely must speak out clearly on the seniority issue, immediately.
DC Phone: 202-224-3542
And here’s his Reno phone:
775-686-5750
John Casper @ 9:14 am (#33)
That’s a good point. Alcohol abuse usually is accompanied by self-destructive behavior and lack of discipline, at least during the times one is abusing. Alcohol’s desired effect is to loosen inhibitions. It doesn’t discriminate between desirable and undesirable inhibitions, a fact I’m sure most policemen are familiar with.
I am a progressive because I do not believe in comforting the comfortable while afflicting the afflicted.
What do I believe in? The government proactively attempting to keep the playing field level and ameliorating the circumstances of those who have not prospered under our capitalistic system.
If this requires a certain amount of redistribution of wealth [and i/m/o it does], so be it.
Since we’re discussing phrases we don’t particularly like in this thread, I’ll weigh in with my pet peeve: it’s JUDGMENT, not judgement. No “e” after the “g”.
Clusterfuck butchered 10 troops yesterday in Iraq. His total butchery count war to date is now 3019 (total coalition casualties).
Headlines today proclaim that US must change strategy within days or the war may be lost.
GW Clusterfuck- fuckin military genius!
Karen—You sure about that one? Doesn’t look right to me.
O/T -
Fitzmas???????????
Have we given up on Fitzmas?
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rwcole @ 38
Link via Jesus’ General. Craig is a Republican Senator from Idaho.
Senator Larry Craig…. What’s with the gay bashing?
BobbyG @ 70
Yes.
rwcole @ 68
It’s a number. Just a number.
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what would Jesus do?
he would champion the poor and the disenfranchised.
he would heal the sick.
he would chastise the wealthy, especially the selfish ones.
he would render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and render unto God the things that are God’s.
he would feed the hungry.
he would cast out the money changers from the Temple.
he took a dim view of hypocrites.
Jesus was a Liberal.
i don’t really call myself a Christian but the Republicans that do should wonder where their party has gotten to.
Judgment. No “e” is correct.
karen, do you know if the Dems have anyone anyone running against Boehner in OH-8 (Cincinatti)?
Why am I a progressive?
Because I choose to live in the real world, deal with real problems and try to make the best of the future.
BobbyG at 70 — No — we’ve just been so swamped on election issues that I haven’t had time to do another update.
BobbyG @ 72
That sure is quite a list of ZEROs, especially when you realize even the French fought in Vietnam. *wink
As long as we’re critiquing spelling…
It’s Cincinnati, not Cincinatti.
:-)
It’s a number. Just a number.
uncomfortably number
bumper sticker seen last eve~When Jesus said Love your Enemies I don’t think he meant killing them….
U.S. Soldiers 58,239 KIA, Vietnam
3,019 = 5.2% of 58,239
‘Judgement’ is a variant spelling (check your dictionaries, folks).
Some of us also think that it’s unpronounceable without that ‘e’ in the middle.
Thanks Dr. Bong.
Usage note
Judgement, abridgement, acknowledgement, and lodgement are sometimes written with US spellings: judgment, abridgment, acknowledgment and lodgment
What makes me a progressive?
The injunction to “BE the change you want in the world.”
Compassion.
To do a little bit to help move humanity further out of the Stone Age.
Compassion. Nonviolence.
Did I mention Compassion?
Patriotism. We are “Constitutional Patriots,” in that we recognize that our country is our shared values of liberty, and not the Regime du Jour. . . and don’t let any false “patriot” bully us around about that.
If all of this is gettin’ you down, I stumbled over something this morning that’s sure to pick you up :
Spencer Davis Group 1966 … “Keep On Runnin’ “
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Qug2TH5lU
John Casper @ 82
Talk to Kissinger about that:
http://i39.photobucket.com/alb…..1406_e.jpg
Lou Costello @ 79
Has anyone else here noticed there’s been no further coverage of last week’s attack on Camp Falcon in Iraq? The video of that attack and its horrific munitions explosions make me doubt that the current figures we’re being given for the killed and wounded in the war. The military press release said no one was killed or injured in this attack — an assertion that’s impossible to believe watching the video.
Our MSM has been completely silent on this and it “smells” to me of a pre-election coverup of really bad news.
with sincere respect for the human kindness that it the heart of fdl, these next few weeks are going to be as ugly as it gets. rove announced he is unleashing $100 million for a nationwide blitz in the run-up and, needless to say, we can expect the worse: these people are cornered and desperate. we cannot afford the luxury of being unprepared, or worse, meek. we all know in advance that these people are amoral, play dirty and will stop at nothing to win: lie, smear, cheat and steal (or worse). although it’s been said many times by many others, i wouldn’t be at all suprised is they drag out osama and chain him (or his dead body) to a flatbed and parade it across america. if cheney didn’t need him alive and on the loose as his universal villain, i’d bet money on it.
we have been warned. if it is ever appropriate to be angry, driven and tough, now is the time or we will, once again, be licking our wounds come november. we have something to be passionate about and we better act now before it’s too late.
We progressives have been pulled so far to the right that we are in an unusual position of standing up like old conservatives and asking for a return to the good old days ( with habeas, diplomacy, higher education for poor folks, employee dignity). I sincerely hope the new congress demands campaign finance reform because the big pharma, insurance, energy, defense etc. will continue to successfully divide primarily through greed any hope of bipartisan representation of the people.
from the post Digby
This will, I predict, be the latest fad: bipartisan nothingness. Now that the Republicans have successfully moved the political center so far to the right that they drove themselves over the cliff, we must stop all this “partisan bickering” as if the Democrats have been equally partisan and therefore can ask for and expect the right to meet them halfway, which they never, ever do. That means we must let their most heinous ideas congeal into conventional wisdom, let their criminal behavior go unpunished, clean up the global disaster they’ve created, do the heavy lifting to fix the deficit they caused. While we’re fixing things, they’ll count their ill-gotten gains, catch their breath and gear up to trash the place all over again.
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Is this a suggestion of what to do or is it snark?
Without some conventional facts on the table or accountability no real change will occur. People will believe in larger numbers this is how to get ahead in the world. Everyone else be damned. It’s not revenge so much as (justice) simply unacceptable to allow such high levels of criminal behavior to go unchecked. Accountability and oversight are how this next congress will be able to define itself and the partys within, or not.
I want a lot of things but most of all on this day I want an open fact filled public discourse. I am tired of secrets and lies for my security and so called freedom.
The final stretch of this election is getting brutal.
Here in New England we have been inundated with the soft-race baiting tactics of (R)Kerry Muffy Healey in her attacks against Deval Patrick, Dem for Mass Governor.
The subtle spin is that “those people”, Patrick is black, are criminals to the bone.
But listening to WBZ last night seems a lot folks are fed up with the gutter efforts and haven’t seen a shred of positive self indentification from Muffy Healy.
Heretofore “moderate” Republicans are melting under the heat and “nice guys” like Chris Shays are dredging up 37 year old tragedies (Chappaquiddick)to obfuscate the issues.
The mind-fuck option is being put out too. A “confident” Rove and a “certain” Bush are telling the faithful that all will be fine. Sort of like Deadeye Dick Cheney saying that Iraq is “really doing well” on a day that 10 US troops were killed and dozens of Iraqis massacred.
They want to destroy our confidence, make us all think that the system is gamed beyond redemption.
Our job is to make this so damn lopsided that no shennanigans can interfere.
Put on your flack-jackets, fill some sand bags and fire at will…(Metaphorically speaking).
-GSD
Jane {NYC } …… That’ll leak out. To many camcorders floatin’ around.
I am a progressive because I am pissed off by the Iraq war. Not only did this war bring out the worst in our government, but it also diverted financial resources from critical social government responsibilities such as education, environmental protection, energy independence and health care.
I value the right to privacy strongly and am abhorred how our government is shredding this right.
Either CNN or MSNBC did report it last week briefly and just said nobody was hurt; they did show a bit of video at the time.
Since then, total silence. It stinketh.
Cujo359 @ 64
I’m still not convinced he successfully threaded the needle. The FBI has found a pattern of sexually explicit IMs to underage males, followed by sex with some of them after they turned 18. I think they’ll have little trouble proving that he was soliciting sex from boys under 18. Much of this occurred across state lines, which makes it a federal issue. Age of consent at the state level might not matter. Congress can (and has) made it illegal in some cases to cross state lines in order to engage in a legal activity (minors and abortions come to mind). Foley may wind up being prosecuted at the federal level for soliciting sex from minors, even if it would have been technically legal for him to actually have sex with them at the state level. The feds are planning on interviewing all of the male pages from Foley’s entire term of office. That’s a lot of field work. I find it hard to believe that they’re not going to hit him with SOMETHING to justify their time.
Frwcole @ 86
Further clarification: judgement (and the other examples) is British usage, and judgment (and other examples) American
This election still has three weeks to go and goopers are goin to saturate the airwaves with millions of dollars. Dems haven’t won ANYTHING yet. Best we can do is to put money into the races that dems have the best chance of winning. Missouri is crucial in the senate.
Why am I a progressive?
Because we live on a small delicate planet, which is rapidly being overpopulated.
Because the disparity of wealth and resources between people in this world is obscene.
I live, by American standards, a fairly simple life. I rent a farmhouse, drive an old car, wear old clothes. And yet the abundance of my life compared to the lives of most people in the world is staggering. Consider any aspect of my life – for example availability of food. The choice and abundance that is available to me, while so many are barely able to survive, is deeply troubling.
We need to live together on this planet. We need to nurture life and protect the health of this world.
Instead what we have is a regime with a rape and pillage mentality. They have got to go.
Thought I would throw in a little Thomas Jefferson for your enjoyment.
Jane, I saw a Youtube video filmed by US soldiers online. The explosions were big and all and they were a safe distance it seemed. I don’t know if they had been members of that troop or not.
From what I have read and heard, the actual base was a relatively small one, manned by around 100 US troops.
The fire was triggered by a mortar attack from an unknown insurgent.
I would gather that the US has been in the game long enough to keep the large volatile stockpiles of ordnance far enough away from troop concentrations that such an incident could occur without massive loss of life.
That being said, we know the miltary lies and propagandizes and obfuscates as well and that Bushco is all politics all the time and would indeed try to keep a fiasco under wraps.
My two cents.
-GSD
John Casper @ 83
and how many deaths (vietnamese/cambodians/loatians) did we cause?
Leaving aside the vast improvements in battlefield medicine that have resulted in fewer soldiers KIA (but more wounded) and the systematic undercounting of action-related mortality by the Bush administration, we have (not up to date) this data:
TOTAL – NON-MORTAL CASUALTIES: 44,779.
From the Wikipedia entry you cite, in Vietnam we had 128000 WIA.
44779 = 34.98% of 128,000. So, what’s your point?
GSD @ 101
Agreed, but did you see the SIZE of that major explosion at 3:58 into the video? It made a mushroom cloud!
Waccamaw – belated thank you. I appreciate the info.
via AmericaBlog:
We WILL have a late Fitzmas…
It’ll be in January, close to the 17th…
Save us Fitzy…
Jack
Frank Probst at 10:19 am
I agree. Age of consent for males is 16 in DC, 18 in FL. As soon as this broke, FBI was in FL. I think Coz was just making the point wrt what evidence exists right now, as well as the fact that Foley apparently attempted to skirt the law as narrowly as possible, leveraging his intimate knowledge of the laws that he wrote.
salon.com front page story:
punaise @ 107
Great catch punaise.
I bet Fred Hiatt is pissed.
Frank Probst @ 10:19 am (#97)
I suspect I have an odd view about this, but if they didn’t find anything, as a citizen I wouldn’t find that to be a waste of time. If they did all the things they should have done and don’t find anything, well maybe there was nothing to find. In any event, the potential for serious crime is certainly evident; if it turns out no crime was committed, I don’t see that as being wasteful.
I’m not disputing your take on what the FBI might think, it’s just how I look at these things.
the move from “we” to “me” can be laid at the feet of Ronald Reagan, who based his presidential campaign. questions like “is our country better off today than four years ago?” or “are we headed in the right direction?” were replaced by “ask yourself, are You better off today than you were four years ago?”
America dies after long illness, succombing to the cancer of the National Security State.
Don’t sxpect this court to revive it. It is up to us to do so before the dissapearences begin.
Jane(nyc) @ 89
Good thing we have all those embedded reporters or else we’d have to rely on soldiers home movies:
http://video.google.com/videop…..pr=goog-sl
Why am I a progressive? I keep trying to answer that question and all I come up with is cliches. Well, here are the two that work best for me:
I think that we’re stronger as a community than as individuals.
I think an honest day’s work should net an honest day’s pay.
Biologically, we’re apes with advanced language skills. We can choose to continue to be animals, or we can embrace the one really admirable trait we possess, which is that we can care for each other and progress through cooperation. The former way is the way of social conservatives, and all the rationalization in the world won’t change that. Cooperating to make life better is what being a progressive is about.
Another thoughtful and thought-provoking post, Christy. One line, though, sticks out for me:
I could be much more good-hearted if I believed this, but the evidence I’ve seen indicates just the opposite. Whenever I write an op-ed piece for local papers, for instance, challenging fundamentalist Christians to honor Jesus’ command to care for the less fortunate, I am barraged with e-mails saying (I wish I were making this up), “Jesus was not a Socialist.”
If there’s common ground at the end of this surreally divided conservative/progressive road, I’d like to know more about it so that I can help it come to pass.
Karen’s right on judgment – although I like it better with an “e” in it too. I like it even better yet with a W in it.
Although that is probably the same delusional land where Paul Bremer lives. Bremer’s closing thoughts on the Frontline episode were that Americans could be proud of our noble efforts in Iraq (naked pyramids of innocents people are something that you can’t pull off just anywhere) and he left things in just spiffy order, if someone will just get that little security problem under control.
As Gen. Franks, man who lost Bin Laden and is managing to lose Afghanistan after he left and who lost Iraq before he went, has said about getting that little issue in order – “If it costs 500, that’s OK, or 5000, OK, or 50,000, that’s OK with me. “
Pace is really a worthy successor isn’t he? If it takes the UCMJ, the last shred of decency and honor in the US military, violation of treaties, descent of military recruiting to sociopaths, idiots and zealots, loss of ability to defend the homeland, and a few failed states with their neckanchor of military failure as well – to make sure Bush can have a smilely signing statement day —- well sure.
Heck, for Bush to have a smilely day, our JCoS would be happy to sacrifice several thousand of other people’s children. They’re just considerate that way.
Why am I a progressive? Well, it was 1974 and I had just completed my masters thesis on long term inequality in the US labor force, and I went from being a plain vanilla democrat to a progressive, or more accurately, socialist-leaning. What I found, and have followed ever since outraged me.
Redistribution of wealth? Absolutely, it is the price of admission for being an American. Thomas Jefferson proposed universal education, paid for by a geometric tax rate on wealth. He wanted free education for every citizen from primary school through graduate school. Good enough for me.
Same for health care…
OT/ via americablog
John Tester has officilly driven conrad Burns crazy.
Yay!
Most obvious joke: “Like the first years of his presidency were heaven?
So many of you have said it better than I ever could. But my progressiveness started at age twelve—1964 or so—when I took my confirmation class at Grace Lutheran Church in Covina. I studied and fooled around like every other kid and then, one day, I ‘got’ the core teaching, the mystery: Love and Spirit are one quality, and that quality is behind everything. Compassion is the manifestation of love/Spirit. My experience from 1968-on with reading and political activism, military service from 70-74, working and raising family, moving to Buddhism…that all underlined this concept as my core value. Love is all, compassion is the expression of love, freedom means freedom from oppression and unfair policies designed to provide power to one class or race of people. Thus: Progressive. For me, this is the political movement that expresses *real* compassion: love in action.
Joe Max @ 21, your post re: the Kennedys, King, et al, brought tears to my eyes. You encapsulated my own political history better than I could have.
“My dream was stolen, and I want it back” is one of the best lines I’ve heard in a long, long time.
GSD @ 102
There are several videos about but check the dates. There are several taken by Marines (?) and uploaded in May 2006 so must be the April 13 explosion. I only know of one video of the Oct 11 explosion, that is from Al Jazeera TV and is here. There is a thread at Democratic Underground that is watching this story here.
And darkblack found this as well, he noted that it is a non-canonical source.
The repud notion of liberty has been the idea of being free to amass wealth and not be fettered by laws. They worship at the alter of wealth and the power it brings (to gain more wealth).
That is not the freedom that the founders had in mind. It is a perversion of what freedom is all about.
My own progressive views are informed by a view that people need to share in the good and the bad and not possess obscene amounts of wealth. I oppose things like “inheritance” beyond a minimum amount.. everything else is returned to the people. I oppose all tax shelters etc. We need universal health care, ALWAYS better schools, the environment can never be “clean enough”… and everyone needs a decent interesting job and wage and comfortable housing with some decent time to pursue liesure activities.
We need to end racism and sexism… and keep religion completely out of the public square.. and that would include the prohibition of veils and other in your face expressions or religion. You wanna play dress up for god? DO it in church or at home.
I could go on and on… but these are pretty progressive or radical ideas… and would involve completely re calibrating the laissez fair capitalism which seems to have replaced the consititution as the soul of america.
Money is the root of all evil…
I haven’t gone through the posts upthread, but at the risk of being EPU’d down here, I concur wholeheartedly with Digby and Christy on the need to avoid being blackmailed by the let’s not bicker group. That theme was sounded by the Republicans in the 90s who in fact were the source of the bickering. Like Rove’s ‘cry wolf’ campaigns (on several axes), this one is wearing thin. The Democrats should investigate, promote a progressive agenda, and smoke out the Reactionary Republicans. This has got to be done fast, before they have a chance to regroup.
Our role in this — I speak as an outsider to the day to day politics — is articulating a position that provides justification for significant redistribution of wealth as a correction to an excess. For all its flaws, this was at the heart of the progressive programme of the early twentieth century, which did not look for once-for-all answers, but took the pragmatic view, buttressed by faith in the good sense of the American people — that problems would be tackled and solved as best we could as they came up. We need to get back to that.
GSD @ 102 wrt Camp Falcon.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20…..raqblastus
http://hotlineblog.nationaljou….._more.html
Has this been mentioned here?
~~~October 17, 2006
DNC Takes Out Loan For DSCC
The DSCC’s optimism about winning the Senate is apparently contagious as the DNC is going to pony up an extra $5-10M for the Senate committee, according to sources familiar with the previously reported arrangement between the two campaign orgs.
While the DNC doesn’t have $10M to just toss around to another campaign committee, the DNC apparently has decided to go into debt to come up with the extra cash DSCC Chair Chuck Schumer has been pleading for from DNC Chair Howard Dean. The actual amount of the loan the DNC is taking out is not known as the committee holds out hope they can raise nearly everything they need before the election. But a line of credit has been opened. ~~~
new thread: “The Odor from Capitol Hill”
Valley Girl @ 128
i hope the DNC doesn’t give it to schumer to distribute. that would seriously piss me off.
angie @
127
Whew….so much for the accurate reporting about that being a “small camp”.
-GSD
Snuffle .. snuffle .. snuffle. Follow the scent of a new thread.
John Casper @ 83
If you factor in such things as the 8:1 survival rate with 50% total disability versus the 3:1 ratio of Vietnam and I would venture to say the 5% is a bit too low.
This video is purported to be also from the Camp Falcon explosion.
Again, I would caution prudence regarding source and content.
“No, Norah, we’re going to spend the next two years investigating YOU….”
“…as Noron characterized it, it would make the last two years of the Bush presidency “a living hell, so to speak.”
About six months ago, I told daddybrain to write this down, date it and put it in an envelope.
I think Bush is fragile. You say maybe not. I say if the investigations get going, they’re going to dig up some pretty bad stuff and Georgie Peorgie’s rats will desert the stinking ship. Georgie will not let himself live to see the outcome (or shortly thereafter). (Is that put it delicately enough without attraction NSA attention?)
I’m a progressive because I respect all people, value the differences among them and deal with them in the way we want to be dealt with. I’m a progressive because of my core moral values: I believe in personal responsibility, fairness and equality, freedom and courage, fulfillment in life, opportunity, community cooperation and trust, honesty and openness. I’m also committed to the ideals on which America was founded and believe in the core principle of equality, that if you work for a living, you should be able to support yourself and your family and in government for the people–ALL PEOPLE. I want my children to have fair and equal treatment and fulfillment in life. Fulfillment requires freedom, freedom requires opportunity and opportunity requires equality.
The current conservative ideals appear to be based on the strictest authority which decrees that life is difficult; that there are winners and losers; and that children are born bad–they want to do what feels good, not what’s right–and have to be made good. A strict father is needed to protect and support his family, and to teach his kids right from wrong through painful punishment for children so they learn the internal discipline necessary to be moral. Discipline will make them prosperous if they act on their self-interests and no one interferes. If you apply this observation to our nation then you have the conservative notion of a strong authoritarian president who is the only one who can defend our nation. Under this model social programs are immoral because they give people things they haven’t earned, makes them dependent and less able to function morally. Prosperous people are the good people vs. people who aren’t prosperous deserve their poverty. Taxes take away the rightful rewards of the prosperous. Wrongdoers should be punished severely. Government should get out of the way of people seeking their self-interest. You must obey the president since he is the ultimate authority on what is right or wrong, his authority should never be questioned. In foreign policy, he has absolute moral authority and needs no advice from lesser countries.
The so-called “moral issues” raised by the progressives are affronts to strict-father morality. Strict-father marriage cannot be gay; it must be between a man and a woman. For the women in his family,if the wife and daughter seeksan abortion its an attack on the control of the strict-father. These issues are symbolic of the entire strict-father identity as applied to all spheres of life. That’s why they are so powerful for conservatives.
I believe by exercising my core values contributes to my family, my community and my country and are acts of patriotism and it seems to me that when I share my values with others, it forges a connection between us and makes me believe that there are more progressives than conservatives, which gives me hope that we can take back our country and undo most of the damage that has been wrought by the current corrupt regime.
“There are fundamental differences between conservative and liberal philosophies, but a lot of the end goals tend to intersect”
Fuck! Name one!
Don’t be a sucker. There are no conservative philosophies or goals that intersect with liberalism – that’s just the marketing plan hiding their true nature. Conservativism is founded on fear and insecurity. It is all about…ALL ABOUT assuaging the individual’s fear of…EVERYTHING; fear of: sex, technology, death, anything dissimilar to them. It is 100% about self – there is no community, no humanity in conservativism.
** “Tough Love” – that’s an excuse, not a solution to help anyone
** “Compassionate Conservativism” – yea where? Name one thing compassionate that has occurred under conservativism.
** “Trickle down economics” – another excuse not to help.
** ‘unregulated capitalism and privatization’ – a policy of mass corruption and corporate ripoffs; a health and environmental disaster; devastation of the working class and the disadvantaged.
** ‘smaller government’ – a big fat lie to mask shifting wealth from the middleclass to the wealthy.
** ‘faith-based initiative’ – government funded proselytizing
** ‘strong on security’ – nothing but taxpayer funding of fat cat robber barons, i.e., the lords of the military industrial complex. Wasting wealth for little or no return. They cut soldier benefits at every opportunity. The lost opportunity cost of wasting the earth’s wealth on destructive military hardware instead of improving people’s lives the world over is staggering.
Intersecting goals my ass – nothing could be further from the truth. Conservatives are all lies all the time. They are power mad and live by might makes right. They twist and distort reality and truth to fit their purpose. They know nothing of what Jesus taught – they live exactly the opposite. Their ignorance and venality are manifest. They are the embodiment of hypocrisy.
Liberalism (true liberalism not some bullshit non-existent, twisted liberal-hawk crap) and liberal goals are exactly the opposite of conservatives and conservatism.
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The question I have is, why is a supposedly objective, non-partisan JOURNALIST acting as an advocate on behalf on the White House?
I think another short, correct answer is:
Two years? Hell– try eight years! Do you think we’ve forgotten the Clinton administration? Or your two-year war against Gore? They’d just better pray that they’re not shown the same mercy that they’ve shown us!
Why would you not advocate a modest redistribution of wealth? That is what taxing the very wealthy does, and it is exactly what it should do. Capitalism is structurally prediposed to become monopoly capitalism. The way that democratic governments remedy that is to break up monopolies, protect competition, create and enforce fair employment standards and labor laws, create rational regulations, and uses taxes as a method of paying for the social infrastructure. Why is everyone so afraid to redistribute wealth? The system is currently skewed to concentrate wealth. Do you think that is good for democracy?