Epu’d:

Good news for Minny. Wetterling ahead 48-40 in latest Strib poll. Second poll in a row that had her leading.

Wanna see why?

http://tinyurl.com/yyubot
http://tinyurl.com/yn235u
http://tinyurl.com/ykzd57
http://tinyurl.com/yj3vdt
http://tinyurl.com/ksfvy
http://tinyurl.com/y5mv5x

1. Some like it hot
2. Fool for Christ
3. Michele gets hot
4. Evolution
5. Global warming
6. Schiavo

Morning all.

Morning, Balrog. Morning, Christy. Glad to hear you are toasty again.

AAAAACCCKKKK! I hate it when I watch crazy vlog gal – I get her stuck in my brain and she just won’t leave, sometimes for days. Are there people, seriously, who actually watch her for a reason other than the sheer, jaw-dropping inanity?

When you’ve sunk as low as a man can go…Hey look, it’s Joe!

Great catch Christy!
Schlesinger really had an impact.

Mommybrain @
3

Morning, Balrog. Morning, Christy. Glad to hear you are toasty again.

AAAAACCCKKKK! I hate it when I watch crazy vlog gal – I get her stuck in my brain and she just won’t leave, sometimes for days. Are there people, seriously, who actually watch her for a reason other than the sheer, jaw-dropping inanity?

Balrogs, of course, are always toasty. For one reason or another.

I’ve heard rumors on the internets that Dodd will be doing a commercial for Lamont. If true, now is the time to do it! Dodd is a popular Senator – get his message of support out to the voters of Connecticut pronto!

*xyz at 6 — this move by Turncoat Joe is such a screw you to Dodd. I’ve heard throught he grapevine that Joe was piiiiissssssed that Dodd would have the audacity to think that he should abide by the will of the voters after the primary — and that Joe has been nursing a big, fat grudge ever since. What a selfish brat.

Bachmann won the bronze on Olbermann’s Worst Persons last night. Good to see she is getting some richly deserved attention on cable.

Christy, just a side-note, I am still amazed that Lieberman stabs his own party in the back by running as a “Connecticut for Lieberman” and then takes it personally that his Democratic colleagues are supporting the Democratic nominee!!!

He thinks it is fine for him to be disloyal to the very party that supported him for eighteen years and a vice-presidential campaign, but he still expects personal loyalty from everyone in the Democratic party!

Message to Joe Lieberman: Your time is up.

ironranger @ 9

Bachmann won the bronze on Olbermann’s Worst Persons last night. Good to see she is getting some richly deserved attention on cable.

God called her to tell her to run for Congress. She and her husband fasted and prayed.

Somethings even Balrogs are afraid of.

It’s amazing how much Bachmann resembles Katherine Harris in looks and deeds.

Ick.

Christy-

From TPM:

My congressional district WV-02 is suddenly looking a whole lot less secure for the Republican incumbent, Shelley Moore Capito. The RNCC did a poll in mid-July (around the time of a Bush fund-raiser) but there’s been no public polls for this race.
Reading the tea leaves, this is a sleeper race that is more competitive than generally given credit.

Most Telling

1) I was polled by Venture Data a week ago (Monday, October 9) prior to the first candidate debate (10/11). The poll bordered on a push poll when it tested out several lines of attack on the challenger (Mike Callaghan). After testing out those attacks it inquired about the impact of the Foley scandal. It was obviously a Republican funding poll. Their biggest fear: Foley keeps Republicans home.

2) The next day, Capito rolled out her first ads directly attacking Callaghan. An incumbent in a safe seat never mentions their opponent by name. For her to go on the direct attack means the polls must not have looked so good.

3) Later in the week the RNCC disclosed funding for THE TARRANCE GROUP, 10/12/2006, $8,235, for a PRO-Capito survey. This is perhaps a different poll to test the impact of the attack ads and the first debate.

Since you are there in WV, do you have any take on the competitiveness of this race?

I sure hope that if Lieberman runs over his time in the next debate either Lamont or Schlesinger nails him again with the “your time is up” line. It cannot be repeated often enough.

I’d also love to see some people outside of the debate tomorrow with posters saying the same thing.

Joe Lieberman: Your time is up.

Iiikkk. It was bad enough visualizing Bolton and Pam together, but now with Joe in the mix, I may not be able to keep my breakfast down.

I live in Patty Wetterling’s district (MN 06) and as I wrote last night, “Patty has found her groove.” She has been passionate, animated, and aggressive. They (the repuke 527s) are flooding the district with negative ads and Patty is fighting back.

I actually read Patty had more money than Bachman. Can’t quite believe that but with Patty getting aggressive, she will pull in some more. Her race is now about the only one, aside from Ned now and then, that I have been donating to.

OT again -
From here http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10…..diplo.html

comes this:

The plutonium that North Korea exploded was produced, according to intelligence estimates, either during the administration of the first President Bush or after 2003, when the North Koreans threw out international inspectors and began reprocessing spent nuclear fuel the inspectors had kept under seal.

Unlike the Clinton administration in 1994, the current Bush administration chose not to threaten to destroy North Korea’s fuel and nuclear reprocessing facilities if they tried to make weapons.

Who looked the other way?

MayDaze at 13 — I don’t, actually — Shelley doesn’t represent my district. And there hasn’t been much information on the race. Callaghan has energized a lot of Dems in the district, and I know that union and traditional Dem groups are working on GOTV efforts statewide — but it’s really tough to tell without hard numbers how things are going. And I don’t have a contact within the Callaghan campaign to give you any sort of inside look…sorry. We do see some advertising here for the district but, to be honest, not a lot. I’m in Mollohan’s district, and almost every ad buy on our local stations has focused on that race and on Byrd’s Senate race.

There was a debate recently out in Martinsburg, WV (eastern panhandle area, near DC), and I heard from several folks that Callaghan did well — and that Capito got at least one question about the Foley mess. She has had a habit of dodging any accountability for any GOP scandal — Abramoff, DeLay, etc. — and I think that is starting to catch up with her, since WV tends to be a fairly plain-spoken state. But she has a substantial fundraising advantage, from what I know. I did hear on Sunday that the RNC was pulling funding out of the Mollohan race because his GOP opponent (who is an idiot, IMHO) isn’t polling well at all — but I don’t know if that also goes for Capito or not. I’ll see if I can find something out…

Joe must be choking on the latest numbers from two of the CT House races
From MyDD by Chris Bowers
Mon Oct 16, 2006 at 07:28:19 PM EST

New House Polls Continue To Show Democratic Gains

Some new internal polls from the DCCC:

* CT-04: Farrell (D) 44%–41% Shays (R)
* CT-05: C. Murphy (D) 45%–40% Johnson (R)
……

It is important to take partisan polls with a grain of salt, since campaigns and parties only seem to release polls when the polls look good for the campaign or party that conducted the poll.

Anyone heard from Schumer lately?

sorry to be the ’slow kid’ but I thought Bolton nomination was ‘dead’ and would have t/b formally nominated to next congress – anyone ?

cbl @ 21

sorry to be the ’slow kid’ but I thought Bolton nomination was ‘dead’ and would have t/b formally nominated to next congress – anyone ?

That’s what I thought too.

cbl at 21 — as of now, it is dead in the foreign relations committee in the Senate. Joe raising this issue now is a two-fold backstab for Democrats: (1) it threatens to re-open an issue that was dead, dead, dead for the lame duck session between the elections and January; and (2) it signals that Joe would vote for Bolton, which reshuffles the WH calculation (see #1). Jackass. As usual, it’s all about Joe, and to hell with the consequences for the Democratic party and the nation.

Bolton can be re-recess- appointed by Bush with no nomination, but the government will not be allowed to pay his salary. That is how I understand it.

cbl, I think you’re substantially correct: John R. Bolton From Wikipedia

President Bush installed Bolton as Ambassador to the UN via recess appointment. The appointment will last until a new Congress convenes in January 2007, or until Bolton is renominated and confirmed, whichever comes first. He previously served as Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security.

sofistic @
15

Iiikkk. It was bad enough visualizing Bolton and Pam together, but now with Joe in the mix, I may not be able to keep my breakfast down.

to complete the tableau: Joe needs his strap-on Bolt-on

thanks all !

o/t
about that Overall Voter Suppression thingy . . .

(raw story)
Note Warns Calif Hispanics Voting May Be Illegal

http://www.examiner.com/a-3477…..oting.html

pigs

Christy Hardin Smith @ 18

MayDaze at 13 — I don’t, actually — Shelley doesn’t represent my district. And there hasn’t been much information on the race.

…

I did hear on Sunday that the RNC was pulling funding out of the Mollohan race because his GOP opponent (who is an idiot, IMHO) isn’t polling well at all — but I don’t know if that also goes for Capito or not. I’ll see if I can find something out…

Thanks for the response. Didn’t mean to give you an assignment, just curious. I’m trying to figure (as best I can) the changes wrought by Mr. Foley on marginal races.

punaise at 26 — oh GAWD! It is waaaaay to early for that image. Where’s the bleach…

punaise @ 26

sofistic @
15

Iiikkk. It was bad enough visualizing Bolton and Pam together, but now with Joe in the mix, I may not be able to keep my breakfast down.

to complete the tableau: Joe needs his strap-on Bolt-on

Oh, god, you are really mean. I didn’t really want my breakfast on my keyboard.

(sorry ’bout that….)

Ken Blackwell is trying to rule that his opponent, Ted Strickland, is ineligible to run for governor in Ohio.

NY TImes today

Ted Strickland, the Democratic nominee, is leading Mr. Blackwell by as much as 28 points, according to one recent poll. In their panic, some Blackwell supporters have hit on the idea of trying to prevent the election from occurring. One of them filed a complaint alleging that Mr. Strickland, who is a member of Congress, does not live in the apartment where he is registered to vote. Mr. Strickland owns a condominium in another part of Ohio, and the complaint alleges that he actually lives there. If Mr. Strickland was not a qualified voter, he would be prohibited from running for governor.

Blackwell has quite a bag of tricks.

1,306 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Firepups, citizens and patriots:

ALERT!!Atrios has a link to a post by Arthur Silber, “The Dynamics of Rising American Fascism.” Everyone who enjoys the right to live in our society simply must read Silber’s writing.

I promise I will not post again this mornin’, in return for that favor, please go read Silber’s post…I really don’t mind sayin’ “I told you so” but I don’t want to be sayin’ it from behind the barbed wire of the concentration camp fence.

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…IT MAY BE TOO LATE FOR US BUT WE CAN STILL SAVE THE CHILDREN!!!

Matt Stoller:

That last line is wrong. Lieberman voted against Bolton twice, in fact. Actually, it goes further than that, since Lieberman voted against cloture twice. That’s a more extreme position against Bolton, which he has now reversed now that he’s trying to win Republican voters…. It must be tough for Lieberman, now that he’s running in a Republican primary.

Any new polls on this race. It will all be over in three weeks- and perhaps much sooner.

Balrog:
God “speaks” to the Bachmanns & then they are miraculously transformed into deified mortals. Astonishing mental justifications and spiritual arrogance.
It’s infuriating & mystifying to me that these nuts want to change our state Minn that has valued education & quality of life into a red state clone. Family values in many of those states don’t seem to be working out very well considering they have some of the highest divorce rates, high school dropouts, Illegimate pregnancies, early marriages, incarcerations, & obesity.

for Nate -

Calif. Rep. Doolittle paid lawyer to talk to Justice Dept. in Abramoff probe

http://www.signonsandiego.com/…..ittle.html

ooh and I see from Charlie Brown’s website he has received Modoc County Record endorsement – very big deal – those folks might as well be from Wyoming

jayackroyd thanks.
Here’s a link to Stoller’s MyDD piece quoted above at 9:12

ironranger @
36

Balrog:
God “speaks” to the Bachmanns & then they are miraculously transformed into deified mortals. Astonishing mental justifications and spiritual arrogance.
It’s infuriating & mystifying to me that these nuts want to change our state Minn that has valued education & quality of life into a red state clone. Family values in many of those states don’t seem to be working out very well considering they have some of the highest divorce rates, high school dropouts, Illegimate pregnancies, early marriages, incarcerations, & obesity.

She is SO wrong for this state. Patty Wetterling seems so right. I will fight Bachmann until the end.

http://www.dumpbachmann.com

wow, these people just have no limits (salon.com War Room):

As the Washington Post reports this morning, Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback has put a hold on George W. Bush’s nomination of Janet Neff to serve as a district court judge in Michigan. The reason? Conservative activists spotted her name in a 4-year-old New York Times “Weddings/Celebrations” announcement that described a “commitment ceremony” for two gay women. Brownback says it’s important to know whether Neff engaged in an illegal act of marrying and that he’s not letting her through the Senate until he knows for sure.

As the Post says, it’s not clear whether Neff even presided over the ceremony and that there shouldn’t be anything wrong with it if she did. “A commitment ceremony is not a marriage; it has no legal force whatsoever but is a private expression of the love and devotion of two people,” the Post says in an editorial. “The idea that such a ceremony could be ‘illegal’ is deeply offensive; Americans are entitled to gather, speak, celebrate and worship as they see fit.”

rw, I’m not aware of any new CT Senate polls. I think Joe’s appearance in the NYDN today confirms how shaken he was by Schlesinger. He felt as though he had to do something fast to shore up his GOP support.

OT, interested in your opinon on CA-50, it sounds like Busby really has a chance.

cbl @ 37

for Nate -

Calif. Rep. Doolittle paid lawyer to talk to Justice Dept. in Abramoff probe

http://www.signonsandiego.com/…..ittle.html

ooh and I see from Charlie Brown’s website he has received Modoc County Record endorsement – very big deal – those folks might as well be from Wyoming

Boy, you are right about that endorsement. Us Earthlings over on the coast think of that region as another planet.

Jeebus H. Christ, what will it take before the Democrat Beltway Bozos will quit turning the other cheek? [ed. by CHS:  picture something really, really horrible here that Joe might do in a hyperbole, over-the-top sort of context.] Or would that not be enough? Big Dog, Howard, Murtha, Russ, somebody, where the hell are you? Go in there and give Ned the help he deserves!!!

200 Reasons Not To Vote For Joe Lieberman, from DailyKos.

Personally, I found reason number 78 somewhat… poignant.

;>)

Maybe Joe wants some,ahem,personal one on one time,ahem,with Scary Pammy over at Atlas Shrugged. She lurrrrves John Bolton ya know,got to interview him and everything. Pammy’s sure to notice Joe now since Bolton is her epitomy of manliness and she keeps track of Bolton like she’s wired into his GPS or something.(ewww,yuck,ewwww,ewww)

Republican Senator Joe LIEberman. That IS what he is. It’s this self important entitlement bullshit that’s the problem,what an arrogant spoiled brat.

What pisses me off about this most is 1)Wingnuts think that everyone(except the “in”crowd of course)is stupid and 2)the sheer contempt they all have for Americans. They hate everything and everyone not exactly like them. They hate the Constitution,they hate our form of government,they hate women,they hate kids,gays,minorities. They hate nature and the environment and want to turn the world into a lifeless,toxic lump. They’re scared of EVERYTHING,from Halloween costumes to science,they hate learning/education. They hate US,their fellow citizens,and their religious loonies have declared”spiritual”war on the rest of us.

Seriously,is there anything they have done right,that’s actually made this a better,safer,happier country? Is there anything they don’t hate(besides their own clique)? I’d even have to argue they hate Jesus,they act completely the opposite of what he taught and how he lived. I’m not a Christian,but I live far closer to a “christian life” than most of these so called “values”folks live.

My last Bachmann post, but a doozy.

Bacchanalia

It should have been very clear to everybody long before now. Simply: Joe = Neocon.

It’s remarkable that he could fool so many people for so long by hiding behind the Democratic label. Just like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bolton, Wolfowitz, etc. pretending to be Republicans.

For Joe to pretend to be a Democrat, he had to do two things: 1) call himself a Democrat; 2) vote with the party most of the time, when it was convenient. But he was also a solid vote and voice for PNAC/AIPAC on the critical issues.

The Neocons have been working the system from the inside for 30-40 years now. Clearly they have major influence over the Republican party, in fact complete control with respect to foreign policy. It would be foolish to imagine that they don’t also have operatives inside the opposition party.

Why have the Democrats been so spectacularly ineffective in opposition? Look no further than Joe and a few other moles (they are not hard to spot). A handful of individuals whose role was simply to divide and fragment the party any time it seemed they were beginning to present a consistent message.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 23

cbl at 21 — as of now, it is dead in the foreign relations committee in the Senate. Joe raising this issue now is a two-fold backstab for Democrats: (1) it threatens to re-open an issue that was dead, dead, dead for the lame duck session between the elections and January; and (2) it signals that Joe would vote for Bolton, which reshuffles the WH calculation (see #1). Jackass. As usual, it’s all about Joe, and to hell with the consequences for the Democratic party and the nation.

I’m willing to give Lieberman some credit: I think endorsing Bolton has much to do with what he really stands for as it has to do with personal political gain. Note when I say that that what Lieberman’s actions say he stands for makes me want to hurl chunks.

John–On Busby–Yeah that latest poll was a shocker- but it may have been one done for her- I’m not sure. I’d love to see her win- but I’m not holding my breath. She is a terrible campaigner- still hasn’t even gotten many signs out.

Angry Old Broad at 45: Tell us what you really think.

Oh dear. Have I been immoderate?

John– just checked- the latest poll was Survey USA- done for a local TV station- so I guess it’s legit. Hard to believe she’s that close- as far as I can see she’s done NOTHING.

OT – over at rawstory – Republican sources tell Raw House GOP losing hope, believe Dems have new ‘October surprise…’ Soon…

Norske at 9;10,
Could you be so kind to put up a link for the Atrios piece?

twolf1 @
53

OT – over at rawstory – Republican sources tell Raw House GOP losing hope, believe Dems have new ‘October surprise…’ Soon…

The world is turning on its head.

-GSD

sofistic – my Dad’s people are Modoc County – Lookout, Alturas – so I’ve had lots of time up there –

I see Sac Bee has endorsed Charlie Brown and frontpaged the $40K Doolittle Legal Fee today, but am trying to find endorsements for Charlie in Susanville, Honey & Eagle Lakes, Plumas County in general – that’s the ticket

one other good thing about Modoc endorsement – country demographics trend Seniors who vote !

BWAAAAHaaaaHaaa. Good one.

Republican sources tell Raw House GOP losing hope,
believe Dems have new ‘October surprise…’ Soon…

Emphasis mine.

http://rawstory.com/

Sorry Twolf1 and GSD,Must’ve been typing.

For all you Barbara Comstock watchers – she shows up in a TalkingPointsMemo article today regarding the Harry Reid smear by the AP:

TPM Reader AM asks …

Does someone at the AP have it out for Harry Reid? Seems like they are pushing minor rule misinterpretations up to full scandal type stories. Is there a central figure behind this?
In a word, yes.

AP reporter John Solomon. We reported on this fairly extensively when Solomon first got cranking on this in June.

I know a number of people who know or have worked for Solomon. And I’ve never gotten the impression that Solomon has any political or ideological ax to grind. His rep is as an easy mark for oppo researchers peddling their wares — and from both sides.

Here’s what one former colleague of Solomon’s said last week: “I worked [X] years in the same office as Solomon, sometimes with him. The consensus: he’s lazy, and takes hit jobs handed him on a platter by opps research teams (and anyone will do.) And doesn’t do much to clean it up. I also know one of his fave and frequent sources is Barbara Comstock, former DOJ spxwoman and GOP attack dog.”

I’ve heard the same from numerous oppo researchers and journalists. (Here are some thoughts on legitimate and illegitimate ways journalists use material from oppo researchers.)

If you’re interested in finding out more about this, you might also look at this 2004 article in The Atlantic Monthly about how oppo researchers get their goods into articles. Look at the articles referenced and then go back and see the bylines.

On Reid, I think it’s a combination of two things. One, as I said, he’s an easy mark for oppo researchers peddling stuff that other journos didn’t think met the laugh test. And two, he hasn’t really landed a punch yet and Reid’s fought back. So now it’s a bit personal.

Oh, also it looks like the other congressional page shoe to drop is a loafer landing on the GOP.

Looks like the latest investigation surrounds Kolbe, the only openly gay Republican who is stepping down this year.

This is a mixed blessing, it reaffirms the Repubs as corrput but it also fuels the fire of the Christian far-right and their “don’t trust gays” mindset.

-GSD

I don’t know if anyone’s mentioned this yet, but I’m busy as hell right now so I’ll just ask that you please spell Alan Schlesinger’s name properly. It seems that a lot of people put an extra “S” in there, and that might make it difficult to find info on the web.

His website is:

http://schlesinger2006.com

Thanks!

Now I’m off to battle the 527 groups that are jumping into our state’s election. More later.

Balrog: Patty is great. I”m going to try to contribute to her again. Tough with college tuition bills…Thanks a bunch, Pawlenty.
Pawlenty had the nerve to say at the Humphrey Institute not long ago he would hold back tuition hikes if reelected, not a word about rolling back the huge increases since he took office. On a recent Iron Range visit he said this on the education system, “we need to reform the whole cabal.”
Many school districts are hurting for $ & having to put up referendums, including the one in my area. He also just loves the Lake Vermilion area & has been looking for property up here. Great. He’s already been such an ASSet to our area, it will be interesting to see how he is welcomed as a resident.

Hey Bob at 61 — thanks. I’m seriously typo-impaired this morning. Appreciate the heads up. If you need info on the Perry-backed 527 group, check with Taylor Marsh. She’s been doing some great research on his efforts this campaign season.

Reid and Pelosi better watch out.

Something wicked this way comes.

I get skeeved out when the Pentagon starts up with the anthrax innoculations again.

Remember when Pat Leahy and Tom Daschle “cut and ran” in fear when they were terrorized with anthrax letters?

Nope, because they stayed in DC and didn’t run away.

-GSD

We would still be hearing stories of bravery and derring do if the antrhax attacks had hit Republicans.

GSD @ 55

twolf1 @
53

OT – over at rawstory – Republican sources tell Raw House GOP losing hope, believe Dems have new ‘October surprise…’ Soon…

The world is turning on its head.

-GSD

I don’t know which is better, the Democrats having an October surprise, or the Repubs simply “believing” that the Dems have one.

Either way, it freaks the GOP out.

And that’s a good thing.

bolten Joe has left and gone away, hey hey hey

punaise @ 40

wow, these people just have no limits (salon.com War Room):

As the Washington Post reports this morning, Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback has put a hold on George W. Bush’s nomination of Janet Neff to serve as a district court judge in Michigan. The reason? Conservative activists spotted her name in a 4-year-old New York Times “Weddings/Celebrations” announcement that described a “commitment ceremony” for two gay women. Brownback says it’s important to know whether Neff engaged in an illegal act of marrying and that he’s not letting her through the Senate until he knows for sure.

I think this one:

In his latest daily message to supporters, Perkins complains that during the swearing-in ceremony for new global AIDS coordinator Mark Dybul, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice recognized Dybul’s “mother-in-law” as among the family members in attendance. The problem? The “mother-in-law” in question would be the mother of the Dybul’s “homosexual partner.”

is even more interesting (from the same salon article). Apparently there’s a picture of Bush and Laura smiling behind Dybul as his partner holds the bible for the swearing-in.

The WaPo has a piecepiece about the reaction the Kuo’s book about DC Republican disdain for the religious right. While Dobson continues to pretend to drink the KoolAid, Perkins is a little more forthright:

“I have no misconceptions about how people in the Republican Party and the establishment view social conservatives. They are dismissive. I see how they prefer to work with fiscal conservatives,” he said. “Having said that, I see it really as a marriage of convenience. We are not without significant gains by working with this administration.”

It’s hard to know which is the better strategy for these collaborators to continue suckering in the religious right.

day old article in the SF Chronicle:

Can Pelosi and Bush get along?
They will need each other’s help if Dems win House, analysts say

[…]
So if Pelosi’s party wins control of the House for the final two years of Bush’s presidency, can the new Democratic speaker and the Republican chief executive put aside their rhetorical disdain long enough to forge a productive relationship?

“They’ll be thrown together in kind of a shotgun marriage where they will have to cooperate on a number of things,” said Norm Ornstein, a congressional scholar at the nonpartisan American Enterprise Institute. “And they are probably not going to get through this campaign and be in a mood to be warm and compromising.”
[…]
As speaker, Pelosi would probably be Bush’s most visible opponent until Democrats settle on a presidential candidate in 2008. She would have a critical role in deciding how deeply the House should investigate the administration, though she has insisted that she has no appetite for impeachment.
[…]
The White House dismissed the premise of a question regarding how Bush might work with a Speaker Pelosi.

“The president fully intends to maintain control of the House and the Senate and looks forward to working with (Republican) Speaker (Dennis) Hastert,” White House spokesman Peter Watkins said. …

Lieman is just being a good business whore, I mean person.
Let him who is without schizophrenia throw the first stone.

punaise,

am certain Speaker Pelosi will be all about burying the hatchet. . .

cbl @ 69

punaise,

am certain Speaker Pelosi will be all about burying the hatchet. . .

right between the rhetorical shoulder blades….

The timing of the 527s’ arrival in CT appears to mirror the GOP pulling out of the PA and Ohio Senate races.

ducttape @ 69

Lieman is just being a good business whore, I mean person.
Let him who is without schizophrenia throw the first stone.

BWAhahahahahaha!

I’ll try to couch this in the most careful and judicious language that I can muster. Virtually every decision and position that Lieberman takes on foreign affairs which grates most on the average Democrat/progressive, I believe, is related to Joe’s devotion to the right wing in Israel, and his support of Bolton is no exception. The war in Iraq was destined to be a cock-up–almost any rational person reviewing the evidence could see that–but Lieberman has defended Bush right down the line on it, likely because it removed an Arab leader in the region who was antagonistic to Israel, even though that leader was no longer a threat to anyone.

Now that Bolton is the blunt instrument being used by the US in the UN with regard to Iran, Hizbollah, Hamas and the Palestinians, Lieberman is all for Bolton.

The senator in question should be very mindful of George Washington’s remarks in his farewell address:

In the execution of such a plan, nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations, and passionate attachments for others, should be excluded; and that, in place of them, just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another a habitual hatred or a habitual fondness is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable, when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence, frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill-will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity, and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times it makes the animosity of the nation subservient to projects of hostility instigated by pride, ambition, and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty, of nations, has been the victim.

So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

It was good advice in 1796, and it remains good advice now. There is little difference between the right wing in Israel and the right wing in this country. Both believe in war as a solution, where, in fact, war has perpetuated the problems of the Middle East. The US suffered great harm to its reputation throughout the world for its insistence upon rearming and resupplying Israel during its recent attack on Lebanon and on allowing the attack to continue until it became obvious that Israel was not succeeding in its ambitions.

I think Lieberman’s fondness for another nation, on personal and religious grounds, has blinded him to the damage his affections are causing his own. He supports the right wing in this country in matters of foreign policy because the American right wing is closely aligned with the right wing in Israel.

If that is the case (and one cannot determine that for sure unless Lieberman himself says so, which I doubt he would), Lieberman needs to think deeply on Washington’s admonishments to his nation on the subject of divided loyalties.

Way OT –
I’m late to the party today and just now read the post post below with the YouTube about Jim Webb.

Gen. Clara Adams-Ender is a friend. I e-mailed her that I was really down about the terror/torture bill and the Democrats’ wimpy response, but eventually I’d get back with the program.

She said that she couldn’t believe that many Americans are still in the dark and full of fear as they were two years ago — and she was doing everything she could to turn that around.

Then she said, in huge letters:

GET BACK WITH THE PROGRAM!! WE’VE COME TOO FAR TO STOP NOW!!

Still a trooper…

Great one punaise at 9:50.

Tony Perkins Is A Flip Flopper-

We are not without significant gains by working with this administration.”

really ???

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, said that apart from confirming two conservative judges to the Supreme Court, “core values voters” did not feel that Congress was advancing their interests.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4815912.stm

punaise @ 70

cbl @ 69

punaise,

am certain Speaker Pelosi will be all about burying the hatchet. . .

right between the rhetorical shoulder blades….

I hope you are right. I’d like to see her like a Newt on steroids.

Balrog @
1

Epu’d:

Good news for Minny. Wetterling ahead 48-40 in latest Strib poll. Second poll in a row that had her leading.

Wanna see why?

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http://tinyurl.com/yn235u
http://tinyurl.com/ykzd57
http://tinyurl.com/yj3vdt
http://tinyurl.com/ksfvy
http://tinyurl.com/y5mv5x

1. Some like it hot
2. Fool for Christ
3. Michele gets hot
4. Evolution
5. Global warming
6. Schiavo

GREAT news!!!! Now, we have to cheer for Wendy Wilde who is taking on Jim Ramstad in MN CD03. I noever hear anything about this, my district. Ramstad used to be a moderate, but has turned to the right and is now in Bush’s back pocket! Ugh!

Kathie

I am pretty sure Jesus would pimp-slap Tony Perkins were Jesus to return today.

Plus how a guy that used to dress in his mothers clothes and stab women in motel showers became a religious leader is beyond me.

-GSD

Punaise @ 68, “…Norm Ornstein, a congressional scholar at the nonpartisan American Enterprise Institute.”

Funny, that sounds to me just like fair and balanced Faux News.

Look at all these nonpartisan scholars!

OT – Note Warns Calif. Hispanics on Voting

The state attorney general’s office is investigating a letter received by some Southern California Hispanics that says it is a crime for immigrants to vote and tells them they could be jailed or deported if they go to the polls next month.

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 79

Punaise @ 68, “…Norm Ornstein, a congressional scholar at the nonpartisan American Enterprise Institute.”

Funny, that sounds to me just like fair and balanced Faux News.

Look at all these nonpartisan scholars!

yikes: Marc Sandalow, a generally solid political reporter, needs a mulligan on that one.

quite a group, with a special guest in “Lieberman position” at the bottom of the list: John Yoo

If you consider the spirtual home of the neo-con movement a “non-partisan” place, then the AEI is non partisan.

-GSD

Huh. Well, these don’t seem to be desperation moves on Joe’s part though, do they? I mean, the few polls I’ve seen show him with a substantial lead over Lamont. Or am I missing something?

GSD @ 85

If you consider the spirtual home of the neo-con movement a “non-partisan” place, then the AEI is non partisan.

-GSD

AEI: “We’re not partisan; we’re just right.”

Joe Lieberman is learning a very important lesson – Republicans only coddle you if they want something from you.

If you are in their way, you will get run over.

Right now, Joe is standing directly in the way of Republican Alan Schlesinger, and there is no amount of kissing-up that Joe can do to evade Schlesinger’s political assault.

Peterr @ 87

GSD @ 85

If you consider the spirtual home of the neo-con movement a "non-partisan" place, then the AEI is non partisan. -GSD

AEI: "We’re not partisan; we’re just right."

Reminds me of the name of a young Republican’s newspaper column I just saw: "Too right to be wrong" Also, look at these numbers in the Iraq war. These are casualties that are not listed when you hear the stats of "wounded" in Iraq. Diseases – Medical Air Transport Required Army/ Navy/ Marines/ Air Force/ Total *15,323 *460 *1,117 *762 *17,662 That makes the total number this: TOTAL – NON-MORTAL CASUALTIES TOTAL – NON-MORTAL CASUALTIES 44,779

Joe’s trying to thread the needle- keep the dem voters he got in the primary and add enough gooper voters to win the thing. So far it seems to be working- 13 points up in the latest polling.

cbl at 76

This represents a real crisis for the national religious right leaders. You’d have to be a naive fool to believe that they are not very well aware that the republican establishment in Washington does not reflect the family values that they espouse. Moreover, they–the republican DC establishment–is pretty clearly part of the “homosexual agenda.”

One strategy is Dobson’s–keep running out the line and assume you can keep snowing them. Another strategy is Perkins’ new one–say the republicans are the only game in town. As you point out (via Perkins) there recently have been rumblings from the religious right that they haven’t gotten anywhere near what they’ve been promised.

Neither of these are optimal, obviously. I assume there are other wingnuts out there who would be willing to denounce the Dobsons and the Perkinses and try to get hold of the money that comes with being a national evangelical figure. They’d give up the illusion of power that Dobson in particular seems to crave–access to the White House.

I don’t see a good end to this for the current national evangelical leadership.

The first indication will be the success or failure of the Rove’s GOTV effort.

DrBB @ 86

Huh. Well, these don’t seem to be desperation moves on Joe’s part though, do they? I mean, the few polls I’ve seen show him with a substantial lead over Lamont. Or am I missing something?

Yep, you’re missing something.

montag @ 9:54

it would be interesting to know how many israeli jews and how many american jews believe the U.S. has followed a good policy as regards israel. i have no idea how the numbers would break down. i sometimes feel that the statistics would not be as favorable as is generally supposed. i am pretty sure that a goodly number of jews, world-wide, are fully against what has happened over the past twenty years.

i believe that both countries would be better off if a greater distance were to be brought about and the “passionate
attachment” were to cool off. the way things are now and have been for far too long can only be described as disfunctional.

rwcole @ 90

Joe’s trying to thread the needle- keep the dem voters he got in the primary and add enough gooper voters to win the thing. So far it seems to be working- 13 points up in the latest polling.

Or 8 points up, depending on which latest polling you prefer.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 63

Hey Bob at 61 — thanks. I’m seriously typo-impaired this morning. Appreciate the heads up. If you need info on the Perry-backed 527 group, check with Taylor Marsh. She’s been doing some great research on his efforts this campaign season.

Christy, thanks. I only mentioned the typo because the link to the other Schlesinger article was spelt that way, and I felt that there was a chronic misspelling issue here. :)

I will contact Taylor Marsh. I’m about to unveil a new website that deals solely with Joe’s use of 527-groups to influence the election, and I’m gonna need all the help I can get. (Emails welcome with sources.)

Joe’s campaign is turning nasty. It’s very ugly to see. He’s not going to go quietly.

It’s incredibly ironic….

Bolton went to Florida in 2000 to stop/hinder/harrass the counting of votes which, if it had continued, would have made holy Joe VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

hizzhoner

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 94

rwcole @ 90

Joe’s trying to thread the needle- keep the dem voters he got in the primary and add enough gooper voters to win the thing. So far it seems to be working- 13 points up in the latest polling.

Or 8 points up, depending on which latest polling you prefer.

Any poll conducted before yesterday is already obsolete. Joe will take a MAJOR hit because of his dismal performance.

I would imagine those little Q-pollers are dialing their li’l fingers off right now!

(…and yes, I know they don’t actually have to DIAL the phones; but it’s a cute image.)

ifthethunderdontgetya @
94

rwcole @ 90

Joe’s trying to thread the needle- keep the dem voters he got in the primary and add enough gooper voters to win the thing. So far it seems to be working- 13 points up in the latest polling.

Or 8 points up, depending on which latest polling you prefer.

do you know who “Survey USA” is? they keep showing a bigger gap between HoJo and Ned than the other polls….

“Well, these don’t seem to be desperation moves on Joe’s part though, do they?”

Telling the NYDN’s today that he likes John Bolton, appears to be a very speedy reaction to Schlesinger. It doesn’t sound as though Joe is all that confident in his GOP support and his lead.

from punaise’ quote:
…”“The president fully intends to maintain control of the House and the Senate and looks forward to working with (Republican) Speaker (Dennis) Hastert,’’ White House spokesman Peter Watkins said.”
————
THE PRESIDENT fully intends. hmmmm…

Makes me wonder if something will make results another one of those ‘unacceptable’ events. Nullified. I wouldn’t put it past these bastids.
——-
BUT, screw Jozo, Bolton, Bush, Rove and the elephant they rode in on.

GO NED!

jayackroyd

The first indication will be the success or failure of the Rove’s GOTV effort.

Gilliard keeps sayin’ something that makes sense to me – if fundie women (actual boots on the ground) stay home – it’s over – keep looking for evidence – anecdotal or otherwise – of this

off to do lit drops (Hello Ft. Hood!) and map out drive to the polls stuff – catch y’all later !

Have AN FDL Day !

John–Good observation. It’s an interesting race to watch in that it’s rare to have a leader in the middle tryin to hold on between two opponents.

Since the gooper is only polling 4 points or so- you’d think Joe would go a bit to the left to try to pry away some more dem votes- but instead he appears to be moving the other way to protect himself from losing gooper votes. He’s been at this long enough to know what he’s doing I guess- but that’s a bit surprising.

I guess the best analysis is that he’s ahead and playing defense.

New thread, all.

MayDaze at 102 — not yet — I hit publish too early — sorry — still had a couple of things to add in and hit publish instead of save. Will be up in a bit…

rwcole – based on your past comments, it would appear that you are hoping Lieberman wins. Is this correct? I just want to get a feel where you are coming from in your analysis. Thanks.

twolf1 @
53

OT – over at rawstory – Republican sources tell Raw House GOP losing hope, believe Dems have new ‘October surprise…’ Soon…

here’s the link: GOP sources say party losing hope of victory

OT,
Find out how powerfull your Senator is.
H/T FARK.

http://www.congress.org/congre…..;submit=GO

xyz–

“Hope Lieberman wins”

Hell no- I hope he loses. I try to keep my hopes separate from my analysis though- otherwise one ends up like GW Clusterfuck- in denial.

Christy Hardin Smith @ 103

MayDaze at 102 — not yet — I hit publish too early — sorry — still had a couple of things to add in and hit publish instead of save. Will be up in a bit…

Does this mean my zero doesn’t count? Damn.

rwcole @ 90

Joe’s trying to thread the needle- keep the dem voters he got in the primary and add enough gooper voters to win the thing.

actually, a sizable block of joe’s support is coming from the gop. the real republican has only been polling in single digits. i don’t know that there is really much more ned can do among democratic voters. joe needs to loose his support from the right, which is why schlesinger’s performance in the debate yesterday was so important.

1,305 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Bustedknuckles:

I’m sorry, I’m a ‘puter dinosaur and don’t know how ta link…jest go ta Eschaton and scroll down and make the connection, if ya think it’s worth while then give the FDLers the link.

The point of this is, however, that we have already had the fascist takeover (since Iran Contra and the seeds of the Gingrich takeover)…we must create a broad based anti-fascist and anti-Iraq War movement that will, once and for all finish the job our forefathers walked away from in 1877 and disenfranchise the oligarchy. The thing that needs to reach public consciousness, though, is the size and strength of the corporate mercenary militia now trainin’ in Iraq.

KEEP THE FAITH THIS IS MORE THAN JUST AN ELECTION, THIS IS WAR!!!

rwcole @ 107

xyz–

“Hope Lieberman wins”

Hell no- I hope he loses. I try to keep my hopes separate from my analysis though- otherwise one ends up like GW Clusterfuck- in denial.

Understood. Thanks for clarifying this. CT Bob is right about the polling, by the way. This race will likely see some major poll number shifting in the next three weeks.

Hizzhoner @ 95

It’s incredibly ironic….

Bolton went to Florida in 2000 to stop/hinder/harrass the counting of votes which, if it had continued, would have made holy Joe VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

hizzhoner

Nice catch.

fahrender @ 92

montag @ 9:54

it would be interesting to know how many israeli jews and how many american jews believe the U.S. has followed a good policy as regards israel. i have no idea how the numbers would break down. i sometimes feel that the statistics would not be as favorable as is generally supposed. i am pretty sure that a goodly number of jews, world-wide, are fully against what has happened over the past twenty years.

i believe that both countries would be better off if a greater distance were to be brought about and the “passionate
attachment” were to cool off. the way things are now and have been for far too long can only be described as disfunctional.

This is why I try to emphasize that this a problem with the right wing, in general. There was a poll done by, I think, The Forward a few months back. The results were quite interesting–2.7% of voters in the US are Jewish. Almost 70% of those are Democrats. Not coincidentally, an equal number, about 70%, were against the Iraq war. Almost as great a number, about 65%, were in favor of an equitable solution to the problem of the occupied territories.

That would suggest that groups such as AIPAC and JINSA more represent the right wing in Israel and the US than US Jewish voters as a group. Lieberman has taken about a quarter of a million dollars from such groups over the last decade or so. From that, I would guess that he is willing to promote the interests of the right wing, generally, as regards Israel, even when–such as with his endorsement of Bolton–those interests are harmful to this country. Hence, my quotation of Washington’s remarks.

Cheers.

Here is Norske’s link.

http://powerofnarrative.blogsp…..scism.html

rwcole @
101

John–Good observation. It’s an interesting race to watch in that it’s rare to have a leader in the middle tryin to hold on between two opponents.

Since the gooper is only polling 4 points or so- you’d think Joe would go a bit to the left to try to pry away some more dem votes- but instead he appears to be moving the other way to protect himself from losing gooper votes. He’s been at this long enough to know what he’s doing I guess- but that’s a bit surprising.

I guess the best analysis is that he’s ahead and playing defense.

The trouble is that Joe can’t just look to voters. He’s gotta look to the people who are supporting him now, with money, with, presumably, organization. I’ve believed from the outset of the general that Joe would find it very difficult to skate his way through this. Unless Ned blew up in some way (he’s a tyro after all), Joe’s inability to address ANY issue in the race has been a serious liability.

All he’s got is pork, fake piety and voters who’ve been flipping the lever for him for years. That might be enough. There are people in my family who vote pretty much entirely on pork (”Olympia kept them from closing the Ironworks.”), and I don’t think they are atypical voters.

But his inability to answer even no-brainer questions like whether he supports democratic candidates for Congress reflects his need to keep his handlers happy. And he should keep them happy. They’ve done a much better job than his primary staff did.

Finally, I never did and never will believe that a republican at the top of the ballot is going to poll in the single digits. Can you think of a single contested race where a major party candidate polled under 10 percent?

Repeat – not using ads in these last weeks is not going to help Ned win anything. I am so discouraged – o.k. I know I shouldn’t be – that is what the republicans want. And the D.C. dems. Just watching the money pouring in is really overwhelming.

And even if we take back the house – the media are still against us so the media will suddenly discover their adversary tactcis and go after the dem leadership like they DID NOT DO with the republicans. And Clinton and Joe and Schumer are no where to be found in this fight. Did the dems issue any press release about the signing this morning being all about supporting torture and that torture does not work? Noooooo…

Jayack

“Can’t just look at voters”

Have to admit that line of thought doesn’t make any sense to me. If people are giving him money- it’s because they want him to win- so they should be perfectly happy that he does and says what it takes to get votes- or so it seems to me.

Pleasing your contributors and winning are the same thing to a politician.

Harold Ickes group – The September Fund – has a new ad out that fits the national campaign theme.

The NY Times has it here: Talk to the Shrub

Jayack- Agree that it’s damned odd to have a gooper polling so low and you have to wonder if it will hold up- obviously Joe needs it to.

I believe that there are going to be some numbers released on Friday that will clarify the amount of funding disadvantage dems will have for the last two weeks of the campaign. Important numbers

1,305 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Bustednuckles:

Thanx Nuckleman, my hope is that we can use the “F” word and the corrpution of our constitution as the “closer” for this election…we will never again have an opportunity to throw the bums out and keep ‘em out like this one. If we don’t put ‘em down now, we’re doomed and we’ll take most a the rest a the word with us.

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…THE SENATE IS A CLUB, A BIG HEAVY CLUB!!!

Excuse me for just popping in with an OT announcement:

Live on C-Span right now:

The ACLU conference session/discussion on “Law, American Values and the National Interest”

Featuring John Dean, that hero (former Chief Counsel of the Navy) Alberto Mora (he fought desperately against torture policy), Steve Shapiro (top ACLU legal honcho), Katrina van den Heuvel, NPR’s Jackie Northam, and some other guy I don’t recognize.

Discussion on the overstepping of executive power, torture, erosion of the Constitution. [Dean right now discussing the authoritarian personalilty in these contexts.]

A 1-1/2 hour program — we’re about half way through now. It’s most excellent!!! I imagine they’ll replay it (I hope!) at some point, or maybe feature it on their website, in case you can’t watch now.

I’m all by myself over on the new thread….

GrandmaJ at 116 — who says Ned isn’t using ads? Hell, he’s had two great ones debut in the last week — hitting Joe with his own words. We’ve featured them here on this blog. Who told you Ned wasn’t running ads?

New thread, gang!

No problem Norske.
here is the easiest way I know to post a link;
When you are at the article you want to link, go to the top of your monitor in the long rectanglewhere the address shows put your cursor there and hold down the left click. Slide over the whole address. It will turn blue.
Then hold down the control button and hit the letter ‘C’ at the same time.Then go to the comment section here and click on it. Then hold down the control button again and click on the letter ‘V’ .The link will automatically appear. Good Luck. And try it. It’s acually pretty easy.

Lieberman said when he was first elected he would serve 3 terms max.

Joe. Live up to your promises ok? Quit your whining. I hope you fall flat on your face – nobody likes a liar.

Louis @ 128

Lieberman said when he was first elected he would serve 3 terms max.

Joe. Live up to your promises ok? Quit your whining. I hope you fall flat on your face – nobody likes a liar.

He just wouldn’t be “our” HoJo if he lived up to his promises. It would totally deconstruct our world view!

HoJo’s looking for another smooch.

Deacon Blues @ 43

Jeebus H. Christ, what will it take before the Democrat Beltway Bozos will quit turning the other cheek?[ed. by CHS: picturesomething really, reallyhorrible here that Joe might do in a hyperbole, over-the-top sort of context.]Or would that not be enough? Big Dog, Howard, Murtha, Russ, somebody, where the hell are you? Go in there and give Ned the help he deserves!!!

What, endorsing Bolton doesn’t count as over the top?

So I wonder what Joe Lieberman thinks of this?

You see, former UNSCOM inspector Scott Ritter went to Iran recently. Here he shares his thoughts with Amy Goodman, in an interview which you probably will never see referenced by any major US newspaper or radio/TV network:

AMY GOODMAN: Can you talk about the difference in approach the U.S. takes to North Korea, which has, according to their own reports, set off a nuclear bomb, and Iran?

SCOTT RITTER: Well, the only thing that the Bush administration’s approach towards North Korea and the Bush administration’s approach towards Iran have in common is that the endgame is regime change. Other than that, what you see — I guess the other thing they have in common is the total incoherence of their approach. Look, North Korea and Iran, you can’t compare; it’s apples and oranges.

North Korea is a declared nuclear power. They even declared their intent to have nuclear weapons. They haven’t hidden this from anybody. They withdrew from the Non-Proliferation Treaty in total conformity with the rule of law. They put the world on notice. They said, we will not participate. They gave them the appropriate timeline. They invited the inspectors out. And then, surprise, surprise, despite the fact that the Bush administration said, “Well, they’re just bluffing,” well, they’re not bluffing. They just popped one off. And guess what. If we continue to push North Korea irresponsibly — because again, what are we talking about here?

What do we want to achieve in North Korea? Do we really care about the North Korean people, want human rights to — no, regime change. This is all about regime change. This is about the United States being able to dictate the terms of coexistence with everybody else in the world. Do people understand that our policy towards China is regime change? Do they understand what the ramifications of that is? That’s what’s going on with North Korea. And we shouldn’t be surprised that they did exactly what they said they were going to do.

Now, we take Iran. Iran is a nation that says, “We don’t have a nuclear weapons program. We have no intention.” In fact, when North Korea exploded their device, the Iranians condemned it. They said nuclear weapons cannot be part of a global equation. And yet, we continue to try and lump them together as if North Korea and Iran are part and parcel of the same policy. Well, maybe they are part and parcel of the same incoherent approach that the Bush administration has taken to dealing with nuclear proliferation.

So does Joe Lieberman really approve of the Bush Junta’s and John Bolton’s incoherent non-policy towards North Korea and Iran?