
According to Bob Geiger (from whom I pulled this lovely graphic), George Bush has dubbed this "National Character Counts Week." Oh…really?
– This morning, George Bush signed into law the Republican Pro-Torture, Anti-Constitution, Anti-Bill of Rights bill. The ACLU sent along this statement from Anthony Romero, its Executive Director (and also took out a full-page ad in the WaPo today on this issue):
"With his signature, President Bush enacts a law that is both unconstitutional and un-American. This president will be remembered as the one who undercut the hallmark of habeas in the name of the war on terror. Nothing separates America more from our enemies than our commitment to fairness and the rule of law, but the bill signed today is an historic break because it turns Guantánamo Bay and other U.S. facilities into legal no-man's-lands.
"The president can now – with the approval of Congress – indefinitely hold people without charge, take away protections against horrific abuse, put people on trial based on hearsay evidence, authorize trials that can sentence people to death based on testimony literally beaten out of witnesses, and slam shut the courthouse door for habeas petitions. Nothing could be further from the American values we all hold in our hearts than the Military Commissions Act."
More, as always, from Marty and Glenn. And Froomkin has more as well, in yet another superb column today.
– George Bush in 2000 and again in 2004:
"The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into," said Bush, to Larry King, while running for president in 2000. Of course, we know what's happened since — gotta pay those debts to the Religious Right — because there was Bush in February of 2004 saying "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife."
And then this past week, Condi and Laura Bush:
A week ago today, and just six days before the religious right's anti-gay hullabaloo, Liberty Sunday, Condi Rice swore in a new U.S. Global AIDS Coordinator, Dr. Mark R. Dybul. The ceremony also featured a very curious group of people for a high-level Republican affair; from the State Department's website:
"I would like to extend a special welcome to the First Lady. Mrs. Bush… a number of Ambassador Dybul's family members joining us on this auspicious occasion. They include: partner, Jason Claire; mother, Claire Dybul; father, Richard Dybul; and mother-in-law, Marilyn Claire. Please join me in extending a very warm welcome to all of our distinguished guests."Dr. Dybul is gay, and is, ostensibly, "married" to Jason Claire.
So, let's see — gin up the evangelical base by pretending to be anti-gay, using dog whistle speech in front of your hand-screened GOP crowds, all the while acting in a completely different way within your Administration when folks may not be looking.
Note to evangelicals: if you didn't already get the memo, you've been had by a two-faced con man and his snake oil salesman, Karl. (H/T to JayAckroyd.) You can watch video of the lovely ceremony here on Alternet. Frankly, I'm pleased that the Bush Administration is openly supportive of a loving, committed gay couple like this — but I bet James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Tony Perkins, Gary Bauer and the whole "hate the gays" crew isn't so cheery. For the Bush Administration, it has always been about leveraging whomever or whatever it took to gain power — including Jesus Christ. How's that for family values?
Wonder if Chris Matthews will ask David Kuo about this during his interview on Hardball today? Hmmmmm…
– Nope. No civil war here.
Families fled in search of safety Monday as open warfare raged for a fourth day between Shiite militias and armed Sunni men in Tigris River towns north of Baghdad. Militias allied with Iraq's Shiite-led government held sway in Balad city, forcing out Sunni families and leaving the bodies of slain Sunni men to rot in the streets, according to police, residents and hospital officials.
The Iraqi government deployed still more reinforcements to try to calm the embattled towns and hold open the main roads, Interior Ministry spokesman Abdul Kareem al-Kinani said in the capital. But local police officers accused Shiite-dominated government police forces of working alongside Shiite militias in executing Sunnis and appealed for more help.
In a statement Tuesday, the U.S. military said it had provided assistance to Iraqi forces to calm the violence ''at the request of the Iraqi civic and military leaders.'' It did not say when the request came, or at what point in the four days of attacks U.S. troops began intervening.
Coordinated efforts had achieved a ''marked decrease'' in the violence there over the last 24 hours,'' Lt. Col. Jeffrey Martindale, the local commander in Balad, was quoted as saying in the statement.
The escalating violence in the Tigris River towns in many ways serves as a microcosm of the daily violence roiling Iraq. Sectarian attacks have increased more than tenfold since the start of the year and now claim more than 100 victims a day, according to the Iraqi government.
In the continuing failed Whack-A-Mole strategy mess in which our military finds itself mired in Iraq, we previously shifted military personnel to Baghdad to quell increasing violence in the capitol city for election time, only to see violence in the Sunni triangle re-ignite while our soldiers were busy elsewhere. So guess what we have to do all over? Again…Swopa and Juan Cole have more.
– How much are you tanking as the Republican President when you have to take time out of your day to court the very wingnut mouthpieces that your party put on the radio specifically to rev up the base in the first place?
– In case you were wondering, even the Bush Administration says that Afghanistan and Iraq are failing at democracy. Heckuva job, Bushie.
Sick of the rubber stamp Republican Congress? Ready for some accountability? Had enough? I know I sure as hell have.
Related posts:
- The Anti-Bush, Or Bush Lite?
- Republican Gubernatorial Candidate Brags That Bush DOJ Wasn’t Corrupt Enough For Him
- Bush Punted on GM and Chrysler — But Not Cerberus
- Disgraceful: In 8 Years, George W. Bush Never Greeted Fallen Troops
- Scahill: Blackwater Rent-an-Assassin Service Integral to Bush Counterterrorism Plan





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Fitz!
Why is Bush such a ninny?
Mrs. K8 @ 122
Explanation for this last post — I got EPU’d in the last thread, so I just “quoted myself” as the easiest way to copy over the text and html code quickly.
Sorry for being so self-referential! ;-)
We need a Fitz hit.
Jack
EPU’d:
NY Times has September Fund’s new ad.
Talk to the shrub.
A friend of mine is having a big garage sale tomorrow. I made up little booklets of threads and posts from various websites to give away…best way to get to the Dems!
Mrs. K8 @ 4
so does that make you Mrs. K16 (x2) or Mrs. K64 (8 squared)?
Mrs. K8 -
It really is a great ACLU program; too bad there won’t be any right wingers listening.
Just finished the Woodward book. It paints a very bleak picture of this administration. They don’t work together or even communicate- Rummy’s out for Rummy- Condi’s out for Condi- and Cheney’s out to lunch. They’re all in agreement about giving GW Clusterfuck what he wants to hear- which is just about nothing. I studied organizational behavior first hand for years- and this is as bad as it gets.
Iraq is a bloody mess. Clusterfuck would need to double the troop commitment in order to have a chance at improving the situation- but that would require him to admit that he’s been wrong on the war since the beginning- so it ain’t gonna happen.
These guys are worse than you think- MUCH worse.
George Bush signed into law S3930 the torture and kangaroo courts bill today. There was no signing statement. There was no need of one. When asked if the President had gotten everything he had wanted in the bill, despite the talk of compromise, Tony Snow said yes. Here is the initial paragraph of the speech accompanying the bill’s signing followed by various snippets with comments.
[There is no evidence of this and much against the efficacy of torture, not to mention its morality, its endangerment of our people if they should be held by our enemies or now even our own government, its potential to recruit new terrorists, and its shredding of our international reputation.]
[Immunizes torturers for committing torture]
[This is quite simply a lie, period.]
Democrats who voted for S3930 in the Senate: 12, and yes, Joe was one of them.
Carper (D-DE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Stabenow (D-MI)
I will repost the names of the 32 House members who voted for S3930 in a following comment.
Invoking victims of 911 to justify torture and kangaroo courts is just obscene.
Full text of remarks here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..017-1.html
punaise –
Omigod no!!! I put on weight while in a wheelchair following my accident and am having trouble exercising off the last of it, but jeez Louise –
Mrs. K64 — yikes!!!
I just refuse to be that large.
No thanks.
Clusterfuck doesn’t have the patience or the courage to learn the truth- about Iraq- or about anything. He thinks that his job is to model confidence to the american people- so he deliberately avoids learning anything that is less than optimistic. He’s fucked up- WAY fucked up. He has no business running ANYTHING- let alone a country.
punaise –
And furthermore (!), Mrs. K64 doesn’t come close to my name phonetically, unlike Mrs. K8 (hint, hint).
But you’re a sweetie nonetheless, trying to multiply me, imagine that!
Hugs to you, hope you are well.
Isn’t Bush’s signature on the Torture bill too late? Didn’t he “pocket veto” it by failing to sign it within 10 days of Congress ending it’s session where they passed the bill?
It’s obviously just a political stunt. But it would be nice to see someone challenging how important the “law” was when it can be pocket vetoed.
KATE….
As promised above, the House Democrats who voted for S3930 the torture and kangaroo courts bill: 32
Andrews________Gordon
Barrow_________Herseth
Bean___________Higgins
Bishop (GA) ____Holden
Boren__________ Marshall
Boswell_________Matheson
Boyd __________ McIntyre
Brown (OH) _____Moore (KS)
Chandler________Peterson (MN)
Crame __________Pomeroy
Cuellar__________Ross
Davis (AL) _______Salazar
Davis (TN) _______Scott (GA)
Edwards_________Spratt
Etheridge________Tanner
Ford____________Taylor (MS)
I also think those brave souls who didn’t vote should also be recognized for their courageous lack of effort and absence of conviction.
Not Voting: 12
Burgess_______ Lewis (GA)
Case_______ Meehan
Castle_______ Ney
Evans_______ Strickland
Fattah_______ Thompson (MS)
Foley_______ Wilson (SC)
HeirofCongress –
What’s that you say? Are you saying Clusterfuck just destroyed this “law” he signed?!?
What is this “pocket veto” you speak of? Must get me over to Wikipedia to check it out….
If so, do you think anyone in the media will bother pointing it out?
Hmmm.
[Sorry if my questions were addressed elsewhere already. I’m jumping in here today blind, as I’ve had scarcely any time, sadly.]
HeirofPatriots #15,
The President has 10 days to sign a piece of legislation upon receipt of it. The White House asked the Congress to mosey in delivering it thus allowing Bush to sign perfectly legally and constitutionally this piece of cr*p.
ccmask –
You’re a smartie!
Shhhh. It’s a secret.
;-)
I’m sorry if this has been posted here before, but I thought some of you might be amused by this song, “Stick Magnetic Ribbons on Your SUV”:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmsOIjzQ1V8
Mrs. K8 @ 12
my bad! no aspersions were cast in the making of that comment…
and besides, pretty soon one of the math wizzes will point out that the “K” should be squared too.
Hugh –
Oh no! Say it ain’t so! Keith Olbermann went on a rant recently about how long it’s been sitting on his desk waiting for a signature.
Where is the information about Congress bringing it over this late? I thought I remembered hearing at the time the evil deed was done that the bill had been sent to the White House!
HeirofPatriots @ 15
I believe that the technical rule is that POTUS has 10 days from when the printed copy of the bill hits his desk.
The Rethugs had the Government Printing Office drag their feet getting it to him so that it could be signed within the ten day limit on 10/17, a date the importance of which I am not aware of.
punaise –
No aspersions on your part detected anywhere. Just my (silly) attempt at humor — yet my efforts are so much more ham-handed than your own light touch!
“K squared” — oh dear. And here I don’t know how to make a superscript number here on my end of the toobz…
From the Senate’s website
It doesn’t say anything about when a preznit gets the bill.
Lieberman urges Dems to alter their ways
NEW HAVEN, Conn. – Sen. Joe Lieberman, running as an independent after losing the Democratic primary, said Tuesday he hoped Democrats seize control of Congress — with one caveat: a Democratic-led Congress, he said, must change its ways.
“It won’t represent progress that’s real,” Lieberman told reporters while stopping at a transportation forum in New Haven. “It’s not going to be much of a step forward if there’s a new Democratic leadership that doesn’t change the tone in Washington.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..NlYwM3MDM-
Kuo explains how it works (in the case of an honest evangelist, anyway) (via Froomkin):
You could see how an honestly faithful person (like Kuo himself) could fall into this trap. But, as I noted in the previous thread, the power of access to the white house is often illusory. You get a picture, and a pen and a story to tell that makes you seem important to others. Meanwhile, they eat your lunch.
Now with national evangelical leaders, I seriously have my doubts about the sincerity of their faith. They make way too much money, and live way too high on the hog to persuade me that Jesus comes first.
Here is a current case of Canada dealing with a suspected terrorist.
A Canadian judge has refused to allow Mahmoud Jaballah to be deported to Egypt where he might be tortured. He is being held for possible involvement in the bombing of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.
Security detainee can’t be deported to Egypt, judge rules
Canada’s law regarding indefinite detention is
Security Certificates under the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act
According to this act (which is currently under judicial review):
1.) Ministers of PSEPC and CIC to sign a certificate is based on security or criminal intelligence information and other information obtained in confidence.
2.) Once signed, the certificate is referred to the Federal Court of Canada. The judge examines the information and evidence in private, in the absence of the person named in the certificate and their counsel. Upon examining the information and evidence, the judge determines what information cannot be disclosed for reasons that its disclosure would be injurious to national security or to the safety of any person.
3.) In order to enable the person named in the certificate to be reasonably informed of the circumstances giving rise to the certificate, the judge provides to the person a summary of the information and evidence which does not include anything which, in the opinion of the judge, would be injurious to national security or the safety of any person if disclosed.
4.) The person named in the certificate is given the opportunity to provide evidence and be heard in open court in relation to their inadmissibility. During the Federal Court proceeding, the person named in the certificate, if eligible, may make an application for a pre-removal risk assessment (PRRA).
These cases are subject to review every 6 months.
This Act is quite controversial here and may be declared unconstitutional.
Still, it seems to me to be a whole lot better than the Military Commissions Act
The first order of business when the Dems take hold of the next Congress is to impeach the
President.
Crimes cannot get any higher
He is a fucking dsgrace to America.
Jack
If the K were to be multiplied, she would be KKKK8, which has lots of verbal and visual possibilities, or KKKK64 which isn’t as much fun.
Perhaps the most glaringly unconstitutional provision of Bush’s Torture Indemnity Act:
_____
Military Commissions Act of 2006 (S 3930):
Section 6(3) INTERPRETATION BY THE PRESIDENT.—
(A) As provided by the Constitution and by this section, the President has the authority for the United States to interpret the meaning and application of the Geneva Conventions…(pg 33)
United States Constitution: Article III
Section 2. The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority…;
______
Now, I’m not a lawyer, and I did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but some things are pretty clear, if words are to have any lexical meaning whatsoever. SCOTUS, not the Boy King, interprets the meaning and applicability of treaties, e.g., Geneva.
_
Please do read the newsweek interview with Kuo that I linked to in 28. He comes across as very sincere, honest, and without axes to grind.
windje @ 24
I believe October 17th was chosen to sign the torture and kangaroo courts bill because of its historical significance. It is both the day that Al Capone was convicted of tax evasion in 1931 (and so can be seen as the salute of one criminal conspiracy to another) and the day Huey, Dewey and Louie first appeared in a comic strip in 1937 (celebrating the awful cartoonish nature of this Administration).
Note: I leave it to you to decide which duck Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld mostly closely identify with.
Hey Gnome!
In the back of my mind there tickles the notion that there’s an old song, where the name is sung in stuttering fashion, “K-K-K-Katie” or some such. Am I hallucinating or this that true? (Only got 2 and a half hours of sleep last night, so I think this could go either way, hee hee….)
But let me state up front, sheets with hoods are NOT a part of my wardrobe…all those extra K’s can make a girl nervous! :-)
Mrs. K8 @ 35
“ch-ch-ch-ch-changes” David Bowie
jayackroyd –
Thanks for the link! Kuo comes across that way on teevee, too, IMO.
It ticked me off yesterday when Kuo was on CNN, and Wolfie kept interrupting him every time Kuo was TRYING to answer Wolfie’s stupid talking-point questions. Blitzer was being a grade A jerk, while Kuo was being sincere.
Mrs. K8, yes there is a song or something that ran through my head when I was playing with all those K’s. And the triple K was there as well. See? Just so much fun to be had.
I listened to Baker and Hamilton on Hardball last night. They would not even deal with the
question of how we got into this fucking mess.
(fait compleat).
They have no balls to say that the President fucked up and lied to us… they try to sugarcoat the obvious.
Wait til after the elections, hell we know the answer… Iraq is IN Civil War…. most Americans can see this!….
Junior is an idiot.
Jack
Hugh @
11
Hmmm. There had to be a reason for Bush holding it for as long as he did before signing, especially considering the rush they were in to get it passed. Might be worth someone’s time to watch the Federal Register for the next few days. After as much exposure as the subject has had, thanks to Charlie Savage’s reporting, they may think it wise to slip one under the door a few days from now.
Gnome de Plume @ 38
My mom used to sing it to us all the time:
“Jimmy was a soldier brave and bold,
Katy was a maid with hair of gold,
Like an act of fate,
Kate was standing at the gate,
Watching all the boys on dress parade.
Jimmy with the girls was just a gawk,
Stuttered ev’ry time he tried to talk,
Still that night at eight,
He was there at Katy’s gate,
Stuttering to her this love sick cry.
K-K-K-Katy, beautiful Katy,
You’re the only g-g-g-girl that I adore;
When the m-m-m-moon shines,
Over the cowshed,
I’ll be waiting at the k-k-k-kitchen door.
K-K-K-Katy, beautiful Katy,
You’re the only g-g-g-girl that I adore;
When the m-m-m-moon shines,
Over the cowshed,
I’ll be waiting at the k-k-k-kitchen door.
No one ever looked so nice and neat,
No one could be just as cute and sweet,
That’s what Jimmy thought,
When the wedding ring he bought,
Now he’s off to France the foe to meet.
Jimmy thought he’d like to take a chance,
See if he could make the Kaiser dance,
Stepping to a tune,
All about the silv’ry moon,
This is what they hear in far off France.
K-K-K-Katy, beautiful Katy,
You’re the only g-g-g-girl that I adore;
When the m-m-m-moon shines,
Over the cowshed,
I’ll be waiting at the k-k-k-kitchen door.
K-K-K-Katy, beautiful Katy,
You’re the only g-g-g-girl that I adore;
When the m-m-m-moon shines,
Over the cowshed,
I’ll be waiting at the k-k-k-kitchen door.”
Mrs. K8 @ 35
The song is K-K-K-Katy. The chorus goes:
K-K-K-Katy, beautiful Katy,
You’re the only g-g-g-girl that I adore;
When the m-m-m-moon shines,
Over the cowshed,
I’ll be waiting at the k-k-k-kitchen door.
K-K-K-Katy, beautiful Katy,
You’re the only g-g-g-girl that I adore;
When the m-m-m-moon shines,
Over the cowshed,
I’ll be waiting at the k-k-k-kitchen door.
(totally cross-posted!)
rawstory – Bi-partisan poll: Even more dire outlook for GOP… Soon…
It will be interesting if the Dems take over the House or Senate if they can nullify or amend this piece of crap. Or indeed, if they have the spine to even try. I can’t believe they’ve done away with habeas corpus for certain classes of people with scare tactics. Of course 90% of habeas corpus issues have been precluded for years if they are not raised at the pre-trial or trial level.
Mrs. K8 @ 37
Blitzer interrupts everybody and his “talking right hand” gestures while he’s talking is beyond annoying. What’s up with that?
Hugh @ 34
…(and so can be seen as the salute of one criminal conspiracy to another)….
Great line.
HeirofPatriots @
26
The Senate website ain’t the Constitution:
Now, as to whether there has ever before been a deliberate delay in “presenting” a bill purely for political purposes, that’s a question worth investigating!
Speaking of great lines, did you see Atrios’s “Four Republicans of the Apocalypse” post? Famine, War, Pestilence and Cheney were present at the signing ceremony.
I would attempt a link, but my left index finger was smashed in a door this morning by a dog chasing a cat (both mine) and typiing is not going so well for me right now.
Mrs. K8 @
35
Indeed, WWI vintage, written in 1918. Lyrics here.
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rwcole:
“These guys are worse than you think – MUCH worse.”
They’re not worse than I thought there, big guy, but it’s not about how bad these rats are… it’s about how powerful and isolated the ruling oligarchy is that it can send out a platoon of third rate criminals like this led by one of their privileged sons and not only get away with it, but protect themselves when the thugs are caught red handed. You understand the power dynamics of this ruling elite better’n most here rw, so I think it’s incumbent upon you to share a bit of that knowledge and explain to the rest of us just how irrelevant this kabuki dance of “free elections” and constitutional principles is to the real economic and social power in this country.
KEEP THE FAITH, THEY AREN’T GUNNA QUIT JUST BECAUSE WE WIN AN ELECTION!!!
When the GOP leadership sees evangelicals, they see people who will believe anything: the earth was created in 7 days, Rapture, the inerrancy of the Bible as a historical record, dinosaur bones are a trick played by Satan. So can you blame them for taking advantage of these people to get into the Whitehouse?
Here’s my take on these people.
http://karavans.typepad.com/ka…..the_f.html
Blitzer even interrupts Blitzer. His long-winded questions/accusations (for Democrats) are infuriating. I wish he would eat a heavier breakfast than what he says he eats. That might make him want to snooze a little through his gosh awful interviews.
Patrick and Beth –
You guys are great! Thanks for giving full evidence that I really WASN’T hallucinating. I could even hear the tune in my head, but the words were missing, and now you both filled them in. Proof that we can always count on someone at the Lake to fill in the gaps of one person’s knowledge.
And Patrick — my mom sang to us, too, but somehow never THAT song. On the other hand, are you familiar with “I’m a Lonely Little Petunia in an Onion Patch“? (That song’s a hoot and a half!) I can remember mom singing it while holding the thermometer in my mouth when I was sick, to make the 5 minutes go by more quickly. Moms are so great like that.
Hmmm. Before I take this thread even FURTHER off-track I should probably do something about the fact that I got next to no sleep last night, like take a nap.
Juan Cole was on The NewsHour last night along with some former Bush mouthpiece to talk about the Iraqi government’s chances of survival. I was reminded of why I don’t pay much attention to the details any more. It’s so predictable now. The Iraqi government isn’t going to try to negotiate with the Sunnis as long as the U.S. military is there to protect them. Cole made that point, again, and had to make it repeatedly because the ex-Bushie didn’t want to acknowledge that was what was being said.
The ex-Bushie went on, of course, about how you can’t just pull up and leave, which wasn’t what either Cole or anyone else is proposing. Also sadly predictable, and yet the interviewer didn’t pick up on this, as they always seem to avoid doing.
The only thing that seems to change is the particular Iraqi town that’s in uproar and the casualty figures. They fight in one place for a while until our army shows up and stops it, then they do the same thing somewhere else. Nothing else has changed for months.
BobbyG @ 32
I’m not sure what part is the most unconstitutional, but this part is the clearest case of overreach by one branch of government that I can remember, and I’ve seen some whoppers, like the AUMF. It’s one of several reasons I’m astonished that this bill got more than a handful of votes in either house of Congress.
Gnome –
Take good care of your smashed finger. Application of ice off and on, 15 to 20 minutes at a time.
Also important — try to keep it elevated above your heart. This will help prevent/relieve the worst of the swelling.
Sounds painful. And what a dear you are to try to keep posting in spite of it! But do take care of yourself, your wild animals need you, after all.
;-)
HotFlash –
Thank you for the link! That seems like a neat website for oldies trivia, lots of fun.
Mrs. K8 at 56 — lovely to see you!
Just how many closets are there in that Republican log cabin anyhow?
-GSD
am considering becoming a comedian with all the horribly funny nonsense being spit out. would call myself the “sociopathic comedian” and just make death and killing look good, and probably be real popular at the koolaid luncheons.
there must be a substantial number of sick people in our society. mental illness beyond, far beyond what we envision. forget the homeless poor ill, they are just trying to survive. the ones that are living typical american dreams. on tranqs, mood elevators, alcohol, depressants, anti psychotics, anti depressants. I wish that it could be explained to people that their lifestyle is the cause of these drugs, and before they experiment with either, the lifestyle or the drugs. It might save a few folks from making horrible mistakes.
if you have any doubts, look at our leaders. we should be allowed to know what medication that effects their mental state they are taking, and even more importantly, what they are prescribed that they are not taking
Mrs. K8 @
53
No Lonely Petunias, but there was this:
“Let’s all sing like the birdies sing
Tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet
Let’s all sing like the birdies sing
Give yourself a treat
Let’s all warble like nightingales
Life can be so sweet
Now you know all the words
So let’s sing like the birds
Tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet, tweet”
GSD @ 58
Dobson said a congressman has told him that several other gay Republicans will be “outed” in coming days. He said he doesn’t know who they are, but, “They say it is going to be worse than anything that has happened so far.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
Now, thanks to our President’s latest signature stroke providing another souvenir pen for some breathless collector of trivia today on spreading his freedom to endlessly imprison and torture at his whim — like the whims of his of shoving explosives in small animals to display his finely honed empathy for all God’s creatures –
The nations around the world are providing Travel Warnings to their citizens against visiting and spending their billions on our shores — seriously. More importantly, business men from other nations are warned off.
Pretty soon, like other nation’s despots are wont to receive, we’ll probably be put on the Axis of Evil list as we have not disarmed our nukes, sell them and build more and then have sanctions against us too….what would America do without it’s Made in China products!
…..One can expect….due to the fact that some waitress in some tacky chain restaurant might call in the American Gestapo because her customers speak a foreign language and she didn’t get the tip expected for the simple reason she’s too stupid to know tips are included in the EU’s bills and/or the EU visitor may forget that being distracted by his little rugrats excitement to get in line at Orlando’s amusement parks ……. their little kids dreaming and excited antics for the rides at Orlando might result in them becoming the next “sex play” mates at GITMO or some other black ops spa retreat.
Welcome to Amereich!
Put to rest those fears that the other shoe in the page scandal would be a Democrat.
(R)Kolbe being investigated.
Coz, must be some sleepless nights at casa de Drier and Mehlman.
-GSD
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales will host “Ask the White House” on Wednesday at 4 PM ET to discuss the Military Commissions Act of 2006. This bill, essential to winning the War on Terror, will preserve the tools needed by our military and intelligence professionals to help stop attacks and save American lives.
Ask a question here
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Mrs. K8:
My beautiful wife’s name is “Kate”… they don’t give that name to just anyone do they??!!
It is great to hear from you again…please tell us you are safe and healthy and Mr. K8 is also.
KEEP THE FAITH ALL THE BASTARDS HAVE IS THE MONEY!!!
Mrs. K8 – I always forget about that ice thing. I should do it – there! – it feels better already. Fortunately it is just the end that got it. The joint is OK. It was my eight month old “enthusiastic” labradoodle that caused this accident. Animals make for great distractions against the insanity of DC.
In line with what BobbyG said above, here are some selections from S3930 The Torture and Kangaroo Courts Act of 2006:
The principal importance of this definition is that it allows American citizens to be designated as unlawful enemy combatants. Purposeful and material support in practical terms can mean virtually anything. And who will make the determination of this vague, amorphous bar has been met? A tribunal set up by Bush and Rumsfeld. With this, if you have a copy of the Constitution, you can start using it for toilet paper because that is about the only use left for it.
Individuals tortured by us shall have no grounds for a claim in a US court and torturers and those who condone and order torture are immunized.
manner as other administrative regulations.
The Geneva Conventions/torture mean what Bush says they mean.
See above. If you are declared an unlawful enemy combatant, even if you are an American citizen, you shall have no right to challenge your detention. This means that Bush et al can throw anyone, including American citizens, deemed an “enemy combatant” by their cardboard panels into a deep, dark hole never to be heard from again. This section effectively negates any reason for trial by Military Commission/kangaroo court. Only non-US citizens are subject to trial by Military Commissions. But even if tried and acquitted, these aliens can still be held forever because even after a trial they still have no means to question any further detention. It’s Kafkaesque. Americans citizens can not be tried by these Commissions but they can be held forever without charge or trial.
Christy –
Christy Hardin Smith @ 57
Thank you, dear lady. Of course, from what I see on my teevee — and from what I read here of your heart and mind — you are loveliness itself.
I always regret the days when real life keeps me from active participation here. But I’ll always, always be back. You have made this place such a warm home where hope can keep burning intensely — for so very many of us. I haven’t said it in a while, but deep thanks to you and Jane, and all the guest posters and mods, and all the other Firepups who keep despair at bay in dark times.
Here’s hoping my naptime dream includes happier days to come, of patriots and pupsters (and kitties, too!) engaged in celebration of Liberty around the Lake…
twolf1 @ 12:16 pm (#64)
The only questions I can think of are rhetorical, as in “Haven’t you wiped your asses with the Constitution enough times already?”
GSD @ 63
GSD,
LOL Those are the same two names I was thinking. Bring it on.
I just got back from the protest at the White House and waiting for some friends to be released from the US Park Police station. We had a decent turnout at the White House. Mostly church-group folks against torture, Code Pink, Grannies for Peace, World Can’t Wait, Torture Survivors. Just wanted you all to know that Firepups were represented (although I haven’t been hanging around here much lately). I haven’t seen any photos out yet. Usually The Progressive is one of the only outlets that prints photos of relatively small protests. We’ll see.
As far as signing statements go, they are not attached at the time of signing. They tack them on later, and hope that Charlie Savage doesn’t notice.
Yesterday’s The Nation Magazine had two interesting articles about Afghanistan and the Bush Administration’s Afghanistan (Policy?). The situation in Afghanistan is the proof positive of the total arrogant stupidity of the Iraq invasion. Discussion over.
peace,
jim
P.S my daughter’s name is Kate.
Such teasers…..
Bi-partisan poll: Dems lead in Republican districts… Soon…
http://rawstory.com/
Heh, they must be lurking, reading here….
Poll: Democrats lead in Republican-held districts
RAW STORY
Published: Tuesday October 17, 2006
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A bi-partisan poll of 48 congressional races believed to be competitive shows an even more uphill battle for Republicans in coming weeks than previously thought, RAW STORY has learned.
NPR commissioned the poll from Greenberg Quinlan Rosner and Public Opinion Strategies.
With just three weeks until election day, the survey found Democrats running with a commanding lead in districts currently held by Republicans, and just 44% of voters planning to support the GOP.
snip
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._1017.html
Again with signing statements, Tony Snow said today there wouldn’t be one because the White House got everything it wanted in S3930. Those Republican Senators stood tall just before they bent over for Bush. Way to go Warner, McCain, and Chuckleberry Graham and special hat tip to Harry Reid who worked so assiduously with Bill Frist to see that this bill was passed before the election.
Darth Cheney on the Rush ‘Pills’ Limblough show this AM:
“If you look at the general overall situation, they’re doing remarkably well.”
-via Thinkprogress.com
The darby1936 @ 44
The 18th Amendment (Prohibition)was repealed, after all. We just gotta get the votes into Congress.
A certain irony to this NYTimes article, given the times… of Kuo’s disclosures. And the ratcheting up of gay-bashing by Rush lately. One wonders two things:
Is it time to dig deep into ol’ Rushie’s closet? Or at least his suitcases down to the Caribbean?
And, are the conservative radio voices being pimped the same way the conservative evangelical leaders have been?
Follow this link on Huffington Post for the whole article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10…..mp;emc=rss
Bustednuckles @ 12:31 pm (#74)
Interesting. Many months ago I made a statement in the comments here that I thought that a five-point difference in approval between the two parties would typically translate to a one percent difference in a typical federal race. Of course, that was a very rough guess. It could easily be four to one or six to one, or even ten to one. Nevertheless, that’s about what I thought it would be. So, here we have this bit from the article you linked:
Pretty good for just pulling a number out of my butt, huh? ;-)
Norske, my sweet! — Sad to say, I’ve had to cope with a relapse in the pain department and increased swelling (lymphedema). Just had another appt this morning discussing another treatment option. Still slugging it out with the exercise, though.
Have had a couple bouts of searing emotional pain for sundry reasons (above and beyond the pain I’m always feeling for this country I love so much), but oddly enough they seem like storms which must be weathered and will soon enough be gone. Lessons learned, and all that! Not to worry.
It’s ALWAYS good to see you. Please give my regards to your very own Kate, keeping some for yourself, of course.
Gnome –
Ahhh, good, that ice.
About our dear animals — the more I weather my own personal storms, it seems that my pup crawls even closer to comfort me. Some days I swear the two of us are psychic. I see her thoughts on her face as clearly as if she spoke them, and she sees what I need even when I’m wordless. What a blessing they are, our beloved creatures! A sign of the “peaceable kingdom” to come, I like to believe, when faith and hope and love endure.
All my best to YOUR very own little Kate.
Cujo359 @ 79
Wanna go to Vegas?
Christy,
I wanted to clarify a comment GrandmaJ made on the last thread, which you challenged. It was something to the effect that the Lamont campaign was not using ads.
I’ve been commenting that the Lamont campaign doesn’t think ads have much lasting value and therefore they are not a big part of the strategy. I’ve also commented that I don’t necessarily agree. I think that might be what GrandmaJ was referring to.
Basically the campaign had three ads released in August/September while Joe was hammering away with negative ads – bought by his Republican war chest. I think this was reflected in the spate of disappointing polls.
That being said, the campaign has released some really good ads lately, and another one today. I hope they keep it up for the next 21 days.
Here’s the latest: Results
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5TRxYRiqeo
Bustednuckles @ 12:46 pm (#81)
As the psychics and other charlatans would say, my powers don’t work that way.
An interesting poll out today:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/…..index.html
Yes, 65% are against the war, but a hopeful stat is 7 in 10 women are. Women are the swing voters. If there is going to be a landslide, it will be because women stood independently on their own feet (without a blunt object shoved in their back).
OT: Sort of. TPM Muckraker has a rundown of the spending and fund raising in the most competitive Congressional races. Looks like the R’s have more cash on hand in 41 of the 60 closest races.
http://electioncentral.tpmcafe…..ouse_races
As many folks have observed, part of the Republican retrenchment on things like the Ohio Senate race is that they’re concentrating resources where they’ll do the most good.
Bustednuckles @ 81
I do! I’m flying there tomorrow for a trade show ; )
http://www.supplysideshow.com/west/
My very own “little” Kate is 5′10″ now and beautiful and all grown up. She would beat up anybody that called her Katie. Were you like that?
She sent me an article this morning by Jackson Katz about the ongoing crisis of men’s violence against women wrt the recent spate of school shootings. Once again I plead incapacity to link, but I can send it to anyone who is interested.
Cozumel at 12:58.
Put a buck on 4 and 20. *g*
Bustednuckles @ 88
OK, what game though? I don’t gamble (much), but…
This fdl donation is for…surprise…Marcy’s book.
Tiny little plea for thermometer movement? To encourage us out here? I know it’s a busy time.
Renee from Ohio: Have you heard about Blackwell’s supporters bringing down Strickland over the issue of where he lives versus where he says he lives, or some such thing? Can this really be happening? Someone please tell me this is BS.
Cozumel,
Roulette….Red 4 or 20 for Cujo on the numbers and Christy for the color. ;)
Cozumel @ 89
It could be roulette, but you have to pick colors, too. Craps doesn’t have a twenty.
Wait, the spirits are speaking – they say just go to the restaurant. Good buffet at Gilly’s.
Bustednuckles @ 92
Consider it done ; )
Bonnie-
that’s a cute video. I especially like the opening ditty.
Speaking of spirits, Joe Wilson speaks from PFAW in a new thread. Once my previous comment is released from moderation jail, this comment will make more sense.
The Bay State Librul @ 30
Me and my friends had an interesting discussion about this topic late last night (after a fab performance by the John Ellis Quartet – playing tonight at Yoshi’s!).
Anyways, as much as I’d like to see Bush impeached AND Cheney, I’m beginning to think it would be too damaging to Democrat long-term interests. While The Cabal fully deserves impeachment, they are lame ducks (esp with a Dem House and/or Senate). It would distract time and resources away from building a strong party which I think can be better accomplished through the dismantling of the GOP machine once and for all.
Bring on Henry Waxman! Let his 6 years of lonely investigations come to fruition under a Dem House. Show the country (I’m talking to you fiscal conservatives, values voters, and rule-of-law Constitution believers!) exactly what the GOP has been up as govt controllers. Bring out the full Abramoff/K Street scandal, show them the wide-scale corruption, the voting irregularites, the politicizing of policy. Let the public see exactly how this machine has operated and thrived, and then promise to fix it and abide by it.
Impeachment will divide, investigations will educate without all the pomp and media circus. Just my $.02.
Bustednuckles @ 92
And don’t forget, BN fixed Christy’s heat the other day.
On that note, I am emboldened to quote my EPU’d post from the Chicks Vote thread to be EPU’d on this thread:
HotFlash @
108
Yeah, I meant to say “bring on Waxman AND Conyers.” Subpeona the fuck out of these criminals. Each and every one of them, all the way to the top.
I’m a registered Dem and understand now is not a good time to be too harsh on them, but I’m having a real hard time with any of them who voted Republithug on the torture/kangaroo legislation. I could puke. Didn’t they hear Teddy Kennedy on the Senate floor reminding them after World War II we gave war criminals 15 years hard labor for waterboarding their American prisoners of war? What’s not to understand about Habeus?
I don’t live in any of those Democratic senators’ or congressmen’s states or districts, but if I did I’d be up their ass. In the past, for years I emailed my Senator, Diane Feinstein, before her website even had a category for the Iraq war, complaining bitterly to her of needless blood being spilt and the putrid stain it is leaving on our nation’s soul and psyche. I notice her political mailings now show great displeasure and concern with the Iraq war. When the politician I voted for in 2000 for Vice President loses his primary in Connecticut and tells the Democratic voters of his state and the entire Democratic Party to go fuck themselves, and one of the vice-chairs of the DSCC continues to support Loserman, I was on the phone to to their office and Mark Pryor’s (D-AR) office. The DSCC has a “hall of shame” link on their website. I sent individual letters by express mail to every leader of the DSCC suggesting they add their own vice-chairman Senator Mark Pryor to their website’s hall of shame. Notice any similarities between the lists of those Democratic senators and congressmen who voted for torture and continue to Support Lieberman? I intend to politely remind Diane, Barbara, Nancy, Harry and my terrific Congressman, Henry Waxman, what I think of these “Democrats” treachery and request they do what they can to exclude them from any caucus/committee leadership posts.
Hugh @ 11 & 17, Amen.
When you click on the picture accompanying this story, Someone in the middle looks like they really didn’t want to be recorded for posterity
Is that the lovely lindsey?
Questions for Gonzales, hmmmm
1. So how’d you get the nickname Abu?
2. Did you let the CIA practice with your own children before you turned them loose with suspects?
3. What is the quota for innocent Canadians that can be kidnapped, drugged and shipped to Syria for torture and as related questions,
a) do we get to up it if all we can get them to say after torture is “eh?” and
b) do we have a good enough phone system to handle all our phone in torture orders for Syria, Egypt, Bagram and all those other places and
c) how much to supersize a beating with razored testicles order?
4. So like dude, what about that German prosecutor dude? Are you gonna tell him “nuh uh, u can NOT be prosecuting my homeboys, I’m all MCA now dude or like, what if, u know, he’s all like, “nuh uh, I can TOO be prosecuting them” then like, will we like bomb Germany?”
and the beatings go on …
The Kuo saga just keeps continuing and it is an important issue so at Faithful Democrats we will be posting all week on this book and the manipulation of the Bush administration of the faith vote.
rat bastahd @ 97
What I’m hoping is that they dig up every detective, living and dead, and put them to work. I’m betting that there’s something so ugly, that no one knows about, that impeachment would not be an option–there would be a general outcry once that bit of shit was revealed.
oldtree @ 59
err…oldtree
Global epidemiologic catchment area surveys conducted over the last twenty years have demonstrated that rates of major psychiatric disorders (”mood disorders” including depression and bipolar disorder; “thought disorders” including schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorders; “anxiety disorders” including panic disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder) are relatively inviariant.
A myriad of studies (many focusing on hapless pairs of biological twins raised separately) demonstrate very strong genetic bases for the severe psychiatric disorders above as well for alcoholism and other forms of substance abuse.
Thomas Szasz’s facile theorizing that there is no biological basis for psychiatric disorders preceded modern genetic analysis and functional cerebral imaging.
Functional cerebral imaging employing both positron emission tomography and magnetic resonance imaging both demonstrate very specific, localized regions of abnormal patterns of neuronal activity highly correlated with very specific diagnoses. These observations have proven to be highly replicable, demonstrating specific anatomic regions in the central nervous system appear to be associated with specific diagnoses (when the neurons in those areas function abnormally).
Oh, yeah. Descriptions of the symptomatic pattern connsistent with major depression have been known since antiquity.
The hypothesis that severe psychiatric disorders are the result of psychotropic medications would be amusing if it didn’t hurt so many people.
I spend half the work week with chronically mentally ill patients who – when they stop taking their meds – show the symptoms they developed before they were ever medicated – and then require re-hospitalization.
Can psychotropic meds cause side effects? You betcha, lots. Can antidepressants engender manic episodes in bipolar patients who are not taking mood stabilizers? Absolutely – and with 90% of antidepressants prescribed by non-psychiatrists, a lot of people with undiagnosed biploar disorder have awful experiences when prescibed antidepressants by uniformed clinicians.
Does environmental disruption appear to increase the risk of psychiatric illness? Yes. Is there evidence that rising rates of autistic spectrum disprders are associated with pollution resulting fro our toxic effluvia? Yes.
My fellowship – my additional training after my specialty training in psychiatry – was in consultation liasion psychiatry. That’s the branch of psychiatry dealing with the mental health needs of patients receiving medical and surgical care. I ended working with surgical trauma teams, transplantation teams, and oncology teams.
The sad fact of modern high-tech medicine is that our tools are immensely powerful, and when they cause injury, the damage can be enormous.
Misdiagnosis is the most effective way I know to ensure treatments will be at best useless. Inept treatment of the correct diagnosis is another great way to hurt patients. I saw of more the consequences of both than any lay person can possibly imagine. (Our academic hospital drew from a very large region, so we got to see a lot of what passes for care in many offices).
I share your belief that national office holders shold be open with the public about diagnoses that may affect performance of their official duties.
As long as the Scientologists and the likes of Tom Cruise open their wallets and schedules to fund the disinformation campaign regarding the central nervous system diagnoses, I doubt the US public will have the understanding required to assess needs for mental health treatment in anyone.
Depression currently causes a greater hit to work prodcutivity in the US than does cardiac disease.
A century ago people were ashamed of heart disease. Social stigma, predjudice, and ignorance caused suffering and death.
Half a century ago people were asahamed of cancer. Social stigma, predjudice, and ignorance caused suffering and death.
Today people are ashamed of brain diseases known as psychiatric disorders. Social stigma, predjudice, and ignorance cause suffering and death.
Currently a patient correctly diagnosed with unipolar depressive disodrer (major depression) is more likely to respond to the first trial of (appropriately chosen) medications than is a patient with hypertension.
From the doc’s point of view, that means treating depression is pretty easy – but only if I and the patient will admit it is there in the first place.
Prejudice and ignornace make that a lot less likely.
While I commend your evident desire to reduce suffering, I am not at all in agreement with the inaccurate information and conclusions you stated regarding psychiatric illness.
I hope that the information I provided above will assist you in providinng more accurate information in the future.
Does environmental disruption appear to increase the risk of psychiatric illness? Yes. Is there evidence that rising rates of autistic spectrum disprders are associated with pollution resulting fro our toxic effluvia? Yes.
References, please?
On th topic at hand: No matter how hypocritical these people are – unless this fellow is from Massachusetts and these two men are in fact legally married, “Marilyn” is absolutely NOT this man’s mother-in-law! Is Condi going to piss off the fundies “needlessly”? She could have just introduced her as Mrs. (or Ms.) Marilyn Claire, and be done with it.
Can’t say I know anything about psychiatric references, but the official State Dept. website has this:
Maybe Condi’s just trying to bat from both sides of the plate?
Tlazolteotl @
106
Glad you asked. Here are two references – the first from a large study in Texas demonstrating specific association with mercury pollution (produced in coal-burning power plants, among other sources – kjm).
The second reference demonstrates an association with general urban “air pollution” in urban areas. The text below is from an LA Times article – the study was conducted by the California Dept of Health.
Many more refs can be found with a search on medline or even google…..
(Pairing search terms “autism” and “pollution” yielded the above on the first three google pages…. happy hunting!)
(1)
Environmental mercury release, special education rates, and autism disorder: an ecological study of Texas
Raymond F. Palmera, Corresponding Author Contact Information, E-mail The Corresponding Author, Steven Blanchardb, Zachary Steina, David Mandellc and Claudia Millera
aUniversity of Texas Health Science Center, San Antonio Department of Family and Community Medicine, 7703 Floyd Curl Drive, San Antonio, Texas 78229-3900, USA
bDepartment of Sociology, Our Lady of the Lake University, San Antonio, Texas, USA
cUniversity of Pennsylvania Center for Mental Health Policy and Services Research, USA
Accepted 1 November 2004. Available online 17 February 2005.
Abstract
The association between environmentally released mercury, special education and autism rates in Texas was investigated using data from the Texas Education Department and the United States Environmental Protection Agency. A Poisson regression analysis adjusted for school district population size, economic and demographic factors was used. There was a significant increase in the rates of special education students and autism rates associated with increases in environmentally released mercury. On average, for each 1000 lb of environmentally released mercury, there was a 43% increase in the rate of special education services and a 61% increase in the rate of autism. The association between environmentally released mercury and special education rates were fully mediated by increased autism rates. This ecological study suggests the need for further research regarding the association between environmentally released mercury and developmental disorders such as autism. These results have implications for policy planning and cost analysis.
Keywords: Mercury; Special education; Autism; Environmental toxins; Ecological
Corresponding Author Contact InformationCorresponding author. Tel.: 210 358 3883.
Health & Place
Volume 12, Issue 2 , June 2006, Pages 203-209
(2)
Study Links Air Pollutants with Autism
Bay Area children with the disorder are 50% likelier to be from areas
high in several toxic substances. Scientists say more research is
needed.
By Marla Cone
Times Staff Writer
June 23, 2006
Children with autism disorders in the San Francisco Bay Area were 50% more
likely to be born in neighborhoods with high amounts of several toxic air
contaminants, particularly mercury, according to a first-of-its-kind study by the
California Department of Health Services.
The new findings, which surprised the researchers, suggest that a mother’s
exposure to industrial air pollutants while pregnant might increase her child’s risk
of autism, a neurological condition increasingly diagnosed in the last 10 years.
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The study compared 284 children from six Bay Area counties
who were diagnosed as having so-called autism spectrum disorders — which
include a less-severe syndrome called Asperger’s — with 657 children from the
same counties without the disorders. All were born in 1994.
The scientists reviewed data for 19 hazardous air pollutants that are known or
suspected neurotoxins: chemicals that have a toxic effect on the brain.
They found that the children with the autism disorders were 50% more likely than
the non-autistic children to be born in areas with higher estimated levels of three
metals and two chlorinated solvents: mercury, cadmium, nickel, trichloroethylene
and vinyl chloride. No significant link was found with 14 other solvents and
metals, including compounds such as lead, benzene and chromium.
The national autism rate is six children per 1,000, so a 50% increase would
elevate that rate to nine per 1,000.
[cut]
The biggest increase came with heavy metals including mercury, a pollutant from
power plants, factories and mines that can disrupt brain development.
The Bay Area was chosen for the study because extensive data are readily
available there because of a federally funded program to count and track autistic
children. The region’s toxic air pollution is considered typical for urban areas.
San Francisco County had the highest estimated levels of metals and solvents,
including mercury, and Marin County had the lowest of those studied. But the
researchers did not compare autism prevalence by county.
In their report, published online Wednesday in the journal Environmental Health
Perspectives, the authors said their research “suggests that living in areas with
higher ambient levels of hazardous air pollutants, particularly metals and
chlorinated solvents, during pregnancy or early childhood, may be associated
with a moderately increased risk of autism. These findings illuminate the need for
further scientific investigation, as they are biologically plausible but preliminary
and require confirmation.”
Gawd, even Bush’s special weeks are confusing. Is it “national character” counts week or national “character counts” week? What is the national character and, if it counts, can it spell too?