This latest ad from Ned Lamont uses Joe Lieberman's own words against him. (More on the ad from Sirota.) There will be a debate today among the CT Senate candidates beginning at 1 pm ET — you can get details on the debate here or watch live here.
Any doubts on where Lieberman's loyalty lies should end here:
Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, a lifelong Democrat and student of politics, blanked when asked if America would be better off with his party regaining control of the U.S. House of Representatives.
A Democratic victory would immeasurably boost the influence of two Connecticut friends, U.S. Reps. Rosa L. DeLauro and John B. Larson, and provide a counterbalance to the Republican Senate and White House.
"Uh, I haven't thought about that enough to give an answer," Lieberman said, as though Democrats' strong prospects for recapturing the House hadn't been the fall's top political story.
He was similarly elusive about the race for governor. Is he voting for John DeStefano Jr., a Democrat and mayor of the city where Lieberman has lived since the 1960s?
"I'm, uh, I'm having," he stammered, then laughed and said his decision would remain private….
"Running as an independent, as you well know, was not my first choice," Lieberman said Friday in an interview. "I honestly now look at it as a kind of, oh, I don't know, a blessing."…
"I am fighting to change the way things are done in Washington. There is too much partisanship and not enough problem-solving," Lieberman said. "There's too much political game-playing and not enough patriotism."
I'd say that is Joe Lieberman giving a big F-U to the Democratic establishment, sucking up to the GOP consituency on which he is now dependent to pull out a win on November 7th and to whom he will owe a debt of gratitude. Any questions as to whether Karl Rove and his cronies are the sort of folks who do favors for free without negotiating beforehand exactly what favors will be expected in return? Any doubts at all?
You know who deserves the vote of the people of Connecticut? This man — Ned Lamont:
In less than 30 days, the people of Connecticut will face a choice.
It’s a choice that’s bigger than party or politics – a choice that asks you to think hard about where this country has been and where you believe it should go.
America, after all, is a dream that does not happen on its own. It takes the hard work of its people, the concern of its citizens, and the courage of its leaders.
In my travels around this state, I have witnessed that hard work in the struggles of middle-class families trying to make ends meet, and I have seen that concern on the faces of full-time workers who still can’t pay their bills, of parents who wonder why their children are fighting a war without end, and of people who don’t understand why no one in Washington is listening.
Because for all the American people are doing to keep this country strong, it is only our leaders in Washington who seem to be missing in action. Health care costs skyrocket, gas prices rise, jobs disappear, terror spreads, but only Washington remains stubbornly still – or worse, going in the wrong direction.
This is the Washington of George Bush and Joe Lieberman. It is the Washington they have defended together, the Washington they have protected together, and the Washington they will settle for if you give them the chance.
If you like this Washington, if you think that it’s serving you well – if you believe that this is the best America can do – then you have yourself an experienced candidate in Joe Lieberman who will give you six more years of the status quo.
But if you’re tired of the same – the same broken promises, the same failed leadership, the same can’t-do, small-time politics year after year after year, then you have another choice on November 7th.
I entered this race not because I’m a career politician looking for a job, but because I’m a concerned citizen looking for a change. I grew up listening to lively political debates at the dinner table, and it’s led me to serve my community by standing up for what I believe and fighting for a different direction when things aren’t going right.
. I may not have the experience that comes with sitting in Senate committee hearings or listening to lobbyists peddle their pet projects, and I’m proud that I’ve never taken a dime of their special interest money in my life.
But I do have the experience of building a business from scratch, working in my community, listening to my fellow citizens, and sharing your concerns that this country desperately needs leaders who will stop thinking about themselves and start thinking about the people they’re supposed to represent. And that’s the experience I’ll bring to Washington if you give me the chance.
As a business owner, I know what it’s like to balance a budget and provide health care for employees when the costs keep rising every day. I have seen the challenges facing our education system from a school that can’t afford to provide after-hours programs for its kids. And I have looked into the eyes of a mother who has only asked why – why this war, why her son, why the same failed strategy that’s taking more sons and daughters from more mothers with each passing day….
Ned Lamont is going to be a fantastic Senator for the great state of Connecticut. But he could use your help to win – even five bucks is a statement that you believe in Ned, and that you want him fighting for CT — and all of the rest of America — in the Senate. Feel free to visit our Blue America page and let Ned know that we're fighting for him in these last few, critical days before election day on Nov. 7th.
The Journal-Inquirer reports today that a BFF of Karl Rove is backing a conservative 527 group that has started airing anti-Lamont commercials in CT. I don't know what it is about Mr. Swift Boat Robert Perry and his weird use of names that include the letters "E" "F" "F" — but this group is called the "Free Enterprise Fund" (not to be confused with the other current 527 Perry-backed conservative hit group "Economic Freedom Fund" which has been running ads in WV and other states where Democratic legislators were on the Tom DeLay get even list — Perry and DeLay are also BFF. Nice crowd you are hanging with, there, Lieberman. Taylor has a great story on EFF today at the Patriot Project.)
Ned needs your help to combat these GOP smarm tactics. Don't let the swift boaters and the GOP money men control the debate in CT — help Ned fight back. Every little bit helps!
Or let one of our other Blue America candidates know you support them as well — at this stage, your five or twenty or fifty bucks could mean the difference between getting a mailer out or not — every little bit helps to get out the vote. And every vote we get puts us that much closer to accountability for the Bush Administration.
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OT: Watch what you write on your luggage
DAVID GRIMES
As if you needed further evidence that airport security has gotten out of hand, a Wisconsin man was detained at a security checkpoint for about 25 minutes because he had written “Kip Hawley is an Idiot” on his toiletries bag.
Kip Hawley, it turns out, is director of the Transportation Security Administration, the same federal bureaucracy that determined that Prell shampoo is a bomb risk.
http://www.ocala.com/apps/pbcs…..52/OPINION
Get Out the Vote: This means YOU
Yes, every little bit helps. I had my family donate to Ned instead of getting me birthday gifts.
There are lots of creative ways to help raise money for the candidate of your choice.
Totally OT:
Is this really Foley in Austin (via HuffPo)?
http://www.txbra.org/misc/body…..toryID=527
Does anyone know how long the debate is today? Is it an hour or 90 minutes?
RE: donating to Ned
numbers are really important, they show that support is broad-based. So if you’re thinking that $5 is not meaningful, it is, so if you haven’t given and would like to make a gesture of support that would be a great thing to do.
Another reason to get out the vote: Feds Raid Curt Weldon’s Daughter’s House! It’s about time! Go Sestak!
Holy moly, LindyH at 8 — they must have some stack of information on her, because they don’t generally do something like that this close to an election unless they think evidence might be in danger of…um…disappearing or something.
LindyH @ 8
Heh! This would be for the investigation that isn’t taking place and is just a Dem smear tactic, right?
We are here in debate central. The debate goes live at 1pm, off at 2pm local time. Some changes — press is allowed in the ballroom, but are seated alongside the stage, so can’t see the candidates. We’re in the press room upstairs with Ann Kornbluth from the NYT and Dan Baltz from the WaPo just went downstairs.
Spazeboy, CGG and I will be blogging and Tim is handling the official Lamont Blog Debate Central.
Keep your eye on Spazeboy he is uploading a video you will love.
Is FDL live blogging the debate? I’m at work so don’t have access to C-Span
Since I am on disability, I don’t have any money to donate. My disability check barely covers food because my co-pays for four of my medications are $39, and my co-pays for each of two specialists are $35 each. But when the Democratic party called and asked if I had any desire to volunteer, I figured that at least I have a little energy and some spare time, so I volunteered. I’ve been making calls for our Senatorial candidate, Pederson. As Christy mentioned earlier, not only are most people not offended by my calls, I have actually been thanked for the work I’m doing. One said, “Oh, thank God for your work!” It’s really gratifying to talk to other Democrats at this time of need. I recommend it; it’s almost therapeutic. Good luck to all!
Thanks for the update Kirby.
Please give Ann K. a big fat raspberry for me.
dab from CT at 12 — I’m going to try and live blog as I can during the debate here in the comments for everyone.
Any Firedoglakers wish to comment on Arianna’s latest re the state of the Lamont campaign?:
“Remember Ned Lamont? He was that guy who came out of nowhere to beat Joe Lieberman in the Connecticut Democratic primary in 2006, only to turn around and lose to him in the general election when he got too cautious and stopped running the hard-charging campaign that had excited everyone in the first place.
I really thought he was going to win there for a while. He probably could have, but, hey, hindsight is 20/20 — too late to do anything about it now.”
That’s not a real quote — yet. But if things keep going the way they’re going in the Senate race in Connecticut, you’re likely to hear many variations on it in the years to come. Which would be too bad — especially because it’s so preventable. . . “
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..31755.html
I hope Ned follows TRex’s advice and AAAATTTaaacks! The downer press Ned’s been getting is worrisome.
I don’t know why the Dems aren’t out there telling the voters Sore Loser’s not one of them. Are they that deluded, or just cowards!
PWT @ 16
Dan, is that you? :)
Schlesinger, Lieberman and Lamont — debate starting.
Schlesinger begins by castigating the media for failing to discuss issues beyond the Iraq War.
Joe thanks everyone and what a “thrill this is to be here in this city for this debate…” Now going on ad nauseum about how government conducts itself in Washington. (Note to Joe: you’ve been a part of the problem for 18 freaking years…)
True GOP candidate talking now. Lieberman for Lieberman candidate won’t support Democrats in congress which is weird, I didn’t know the L4L party had any candidates in those races.
Joe now giving his standard “I’m Mr. Bipartisanship” stump speech.
Live blogging – No opening statement, lol. Joe has been going on for 4 minutes on question 1. Partisan gridlock, yadda, yadda.
American dream is alive and well, if you’re Joe Lieberman.
Jacqrat @ 18
once staunch democratic ally?
I want some of what you are smoking!!
And how about the once Democratic candidate Liberman siphoning money and energy that could hae been better spent elsewhere when he lost the nomination?
Dan-grow up and see reality!
God I hate Joe.
lieberman is making me cringe… the only other person who’s voice affects me this way is bush’s.
do you think it could be contagious? something lieberman caught by “the kiss”?
L4L candidate praising GOP governor Jodi Rell now.
L4L candidate praising John McCain now.
Democrats who think L4L candidate will surely caucus with Democrats — are you listening?
OMG!! L4L candidate quoting TRex!! ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK!!
What a fucking scumbag! You guys watching this? Unbelievable.
Attacks him, and then says we cant attack.
Hi billyjoe – you must be new around here because we discussed her piece in detail last night.
As someone who’s been involved in the campaign from day one – I don’t really agree with her assessment though I wish the campaign would hit Joe harder.
A regular commenter here at FDL, scarecrow, made some great points last night which I happen to agree with:
———————
This is only half right. Ned Lamont is the same great guy today he was at the beginning. He hasn’t changed, and that’s a good sign. We shouldn’t wish otherwise.
The question is whether an inherently decent man can win against a determined, self-centered and dishonest man, because that’s what Lieberman has shown himself to be. Beating Lieberman requires others to do some things that have not yet been done. so instead of writing Ned’s concession speech, or asking him to speak from the heart, our efforts would be better spent helping to design the themes and ads that need to be created to respond to the persistent lying of the Lieberman campaign. There are not enough campaign appearances for Ned to respond to all of these lies, and it’s not in his nature to be mean. Instead, the pattern of lying needs to be described by bloggers and fed to the media, who, based on Hartford Courant articles this weekend, are starting to see this too.
So help write the ads, frame the message. There’s nothing wrong with the candidate; it’s the campaign message that needs help.
Heads up!
It’s on CSPAN too!
Ned — thanks everyone, good afternoon — this is a race about right and wrong. Government in Washington is making bad decisions. It’s not negative to say I’m going to stand up and fight for social security. Joe’s been standing there with Bush. Not negative to talk about the Cheney energy bill. Not negative to say we need to change the course in Iraq…it is not making us safer.
This is a race about the issues — and we should talk about the issues of the day.
Ned sure didn’t have the same amount of response time.
The kiss float is back, y’all.
http://www.spazeboy.net/2006/10/debate-01/
Joe is using up his 17 min. fast. He’s going to be awfully quiet at the end of the debate (I hope).
L4L candidate big crybaby, can’t take the heat, doesn’t like it when people say mean things about him.
WAAAHHHHH!!!
People trust this guy to be tough on national security? He can’t take a couple of insults. No wonder he sends others to do his fighting for him.
Thin skinned little WATB.
PWT, a “staunch democratic ally,” what does that mean?
Please PWT, where in the bluest of blue states has Joe been staunch about anything except his own popularity?
Did you see Hegel and Warner cutting to the left of Joe on Iraq? PWT are they “staunch democratic allies,” too?
What about habeus corpus, upon which the entire Bill of Rights depends, has Joe been a “staunch democratic ally” there?
PWT, do you believe the earth is flat too?
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e…..ociety.htm
Spazeboy!! Kiss float back!!!
spazeboy @ 32
That is beautiful!! Brought a tear to me eye…seriously
How does Ned look? Relaxed, tense, disgusted?
And please tell me his suit fits.
Jacqrat @ 18
I hate it when people steal my Dangerstein jokes. You’re pretty quick, Jacqui.
Tom Monahan, L4L reporter pal, lobs a softball to Joe on N. Korea. Joe says “both parties, both Administrations” have failed to stop Kim Jong Il. Joe wants to depend on China to fix things — disagrees with Administration that we shouldn’t talk to the N. Koreans, but he wouldn’t do it now — we should wait until the Chinese fix things for us.
Ned hits Bush’s “Axis of Evil” attack of Iraq, while leaving N. Korea on the sidelines…and now N. Korea has a nuclear weapon. Quotes JFK on hard-headed diplomacy backed by sanctions.
Have to deal with homeland security, our ports, where we are most vulnerable. Hits cuts to funding on HS issues in CT. Lieberman is senior Dem. on HS in Senate, and yet he missed key votes, and CT funding got cut.
Schlesinger says N. Korea’s nukes didn’t happen overnight. Takes wingnut stance on N. Korea. Why has Joe Lieberman not been there on this issue? Mr. Lieberman, you had more moral outrage on Mr. Clinton’s indiscretions than you did about nukes being built by N. Korea. (CHS: Mwahahahaha…)
Schlessinger gets in a good one on Joe…
For those who missed the debate rules, each candidate gets 17 minutes plus a closing statement. When they’ve used up the time, they’re done till the closing statement. Will be very interesting
Ha, ha, Joe – everyone hates you.
dab from CT @ 38
Tense. Suit fits great. Joe jabs him with snide comments every three seconds.
Joe now going through the “I passed ports legislation” bi-partisanship blahbity-blah.
Ned says funding has been cut in CT by 86%. Joe missed key vote — should have been there.
Best thing about this debate: Schlesinger doesn’t look like an idiot. Watch his poll numbers soar after today as Rs come home to the real GOPer in the CT-Senate race.
Ned talking about RGJoe missing “key vote” on Homeland Security.
Oh Schlessinger is going after L4L candidate hard for being sanctimonious bastard and caring more about Clinton’s BJ than homeland security. Now he’s whining about Schlessinger attacking him.
I’m sending my five bucks to Schlessinger.
L4L candidate now praising Republican Susan Collins.
Democrats are you listeing?
kirby @ 42
That is the best rule I’ve ever seen. So obvious!
“Purity Of Essence” … Mr. Perry is a fan of General Ripper!
Talking about comments that a Ned supporter made. Ned apologizes for tone of comments to Lieberman — says we should look forward to what needs to be done.
Schlesinger says this is another example of inane bickering. Says this is what happens when you bring Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson — says that both of the other candidates have tried to court their support.
Joe is getting squirmy.
Urban Pirate @ 43
Getting comfortable & less tense. Especially appreciate Ned keeping his cool with both these turkeys.
haha. so glad schleshinger is here.
Wow!! Schlessinger got a real bug up his ass.
Who brought up the comment? Ned, Joe or Alan?
Or was it Joe’s buddy, the moderator
Joe now whining about distortions about him.
L4L candidate cannot accept an apology.
Oooh, Joe is lying his ass off here. Hit him HARD Ned!!!
Schless just got on the wacko train. Everybody’s gonna die–vote Republican.
TeddySanFran @ 46
That’s really the key here – enough Republicans voting for thier own party.
God, Joe is so smarmy. Hit him Ned!!!!
GOPer#1 talks about “not bringing divisive people” into CT for this race, like Sharpton and Jesse.
uh-oh, GOP#1 getting hot and bothered. Stay cool, Schlesinger.
RGJoe: Alan’s made a good point. Apology accepted from Ned.
Joe is keeping track of the number of attacks on him during the debate. He’s such a whiny baby. Ned smacking him now about his record on social security — Joe was for privitization before he was against it.
Jane Hamsher @ 53
Wouldn’t you know that Dubya is keeping close watch on his former guy…
Surely, it’s been 17 minutes?
Ned does look great — and the suit is perfect. No more deer in the headlights — remember, every Republican who sees and likes Schlesinger is one less voting for Joe.
Oh L4L candidate is lying his ass off about Social Security privatization once again.
OOOHHH!!! Audience booing L4L as he tries to keep counts of tough points he’s too thin skinned to take.
Schlessinger is definately going to win some votes (from Joe) today! Oh man, I don’t know if I could send five bucks to him but I like your thinking Jane. *g*
Ned: “You know where Ned Lamont stands on Social Security.”
GOP#1: Both these men stand for SS and Medicare bankruptcy. “Iceberg” and deck chairs!! Go GOPer#1 !!
Schlesinger now calling the US Senate the “ostrich club” on social security. Talking about the demographic baby boom — and calling Joe on comments on social security.
Okay, watching Joe getting it form both sides is pretty fun!
LindaR @ 64
Like the joke about married men living longer than single men – “It just seems longer.”
Alan’s getting tied up in his double & triple negatives about SS, I think. He’s a little “hot” for the teevee, I think, but he’ll bring some GOPers home for sure.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 67
I was tweaking the Red Staters the other day for letting Lieberman poach their territory when they wouldn’t do anything about it. Good for Schlessinger for running L4L candidate off his lawn.
This Schlessinger guy is funny. Wouldn’t vote for him, but he’s fun to listen to.
i love that joe is getting it from both sides. and he can whine all he wants about being “ganged up on” but that’s what happens when you try to be all things to all people, you just end up being everyone’s target.
kristinejoy @ 70
I am liking this a lot.
Schlesinger says that Joe drank the kool-aid and is just as disingenuous as the other politicians in Washington. Joe looks like he wants to smack him.
Alan: When I retire I want cash, I don’t want an IOU from Joe Lieberman
LOL!
I can’t find Schlessinger’s web page. Anybody got it?
Noooo! Don’t invest in real estate!
Nice to not watch a “politician”, now Ned needs to hit Joe hard from the other side.
Schlessinger is speaking with the voice of truth of a man that has absolutely nothing to lose.
I like it!!
RGJoe blah blah blah about SS, deficits, Clinton=good, Bush=bad. Won’t the GOPers be confused?
Joe now assuring seniors that there is enough money in the SS trust fund to pay benefits for 30-odd years. And then brings up the lockbox – the Clinton administration surpluses in the budget – and the Bush budget deficits and their budget failures (that’s not going to make the GOP voters excited to run out there for L4L, now is it?)
Jane Hamsher @ 75
So, what are you, Joe? A Dem or a Rep? Come on…
Jane, Krugman did a great piece on Joe’s games re: the Social Security votes. He’s smarmy and disingenuous, as usual.
Anyway to post that so we could use the spotlight function?
Ned says we have a fiscal imbalance and says that it is unconscionable that we are leaving this deficit for our kids to clean up. We need a change in Washington.
Liarman4Liarman:
CLAIM: “I have not supported the Bush administration’s social security privatization plan. The record shows I have been against it during the entire Bush administration…I’m never going to do damage to SS…I concluded it was a terrible idea in the 1990s. Ever since then throughout the Bush administration I’ve been against it.” – Joe Lieberman, 10/16/06 senatorial debate
FACT: In 1996, Lieberman voted for Social Security privatization. In 1998, Lieberman said privatization “has to happen.” In 2000, the New York Times reported that “Lieberman has suggested that he could support allowing workers to invest a portion of their payroll taxes in the private markets. That is Mr. Bush’s position.” In 2005, Lieberman told the Hartford Courant it is “great” that President Bush was pushing privatization. In March 2005, NY Times columnist Paul Krugman noted that Lieberman “gave the administration cover by endorsing its fake numbers” pushing privatization. [Sources: Senate Vote 149, 5/23/96; Copley News Service, 5/4/98; Hartford Courant, 1/9/05; NY Times, 3/15/05]
Jane Hamsher @ 79
via ctbob:
http://www.schlesinger2006.com/
Ned talking about lobbyists, bridge to nowhere, MedPartD, Bush/Cheney energy bill, subsidies to Exxon/Mobil. Unconscionable debt for our kids, need somebody who can balance a budget.
Alan challenging RGJoe’s “SS running out in 35 years.”
Gotta love this RGJoe sandwich!!
Alan: “miracle of compounding interest.” NOW he’s talking GOPer talk!!
Haha, Jane. I see you were commenting on it as I was.
http://www.schlesinger2006.com/
There’s also a video up at CTBob of an interview he did with Schlesinger over the weekend. Share with your Republican friends
Lookie those eye blink! Is this Chimpy debate, part Deux?
Alan is a real candidate for Connecticut’s Republicans. He will pull at least 10% of the electorate in the election if he keeps this up.
Lieberman is getting nailed from both sides and he deserves every bit of it.
Christy Hardin Smith @
76
Ah, Joe likes to give a nice little smack to a lot of Republicans….
Check your allotment of minutes: from moderator. Ned needs to use more minutes!
Schlessinger says “Alan Greenspan!” like Richard Mulligan said “Liv Ullman!” in S.O.B.
Schlesinger says to Joe — try being honest to the voters of CT
what a jerk Joe is
RGJoe claiming credit for the USSenate’s c omprehensive immigration bill.
I hate joe so much that I don’t care who scores point against him! Go Schlesinger!
Jane, your 10:30 Fact versus Claim, is absolutely huge.
Joe can’t outRepublican Schlessingger without losing all the Democrats.
The beautiful thing here is that it demonstrates that Joe stands for nothing except maintaining his own power.
And now Lieberman doesn’t even know who he should pander to because there are better alternatives flanking him on either side.
It’s great to Joe on the record with all this stuff. He’s not making any friends with Goopers today, thats for sure.
My guess is next up will be “I’m not for stay the course, yadda yadda”
RGJoe talking about inspectors going to companies to penalize those who hire illegals. That won’t go down well in Greenwich!
Joe says some fences are good for immigration and more money for border guards, and a guest worker program once people get into the US. The big controversial question: what do you do about the app. 11 million undocumented workers? You can do the political thing, arrest them all and get them out. Punish companies who give these people jobs. Second choice — give them a path to become American citizens. (CHS: jeebus, Joe is walking both sides of the political line on this — and hard core GOP voters aren’t going to like this, although the GOP in CT is much more on the progressive side of things…)
*xyz @ 103
Beautifully stated.
Man, that’s a deep refence, you must be as old as I am! Now, if we could see Joe out in the ocean on a flaming Viking long ship!LindaR @ 98
OMG – Joe wants a lame duck session of this congress! He’s a dangerous idiot.
Ned: Senator Lieberman is half right.
Part-time teacher in Bridgeport. Best kids, American dream, no scholarships. America needs these people. Blaming employers for exploiting labor.
From a Krugman column:
The column is called Talk Show Joe
Man, that’s a deep reference, you must be as old as I am! Now, if we could see Joe out in the ocean on a flaming Viking long ship!LindaR @ 98
Joe looks like a washed up snake oil salesman who’s down to selling coyote piss as a cure-all.
Ned talking about the kids he taught in Bridgeport — kids who were immigrants in a lot of cases. Says that you need to push on the employers who tempt the illegal immigrants to come across. Bush Administration has stopped enforcing a lot of the regs on employers — this is too much of a temptation for people to try for a better life for their families — should punish the people who are making the problem, the employers who are violating the laws.
Talks also about health care and need for some coverage for all Americans, with a more efficient delivery system.
raven316 @ 109
One of the best movies ever about the movie business!
Ned using some of his time to talk about health care bankrupting USA, baby boomers. Need a new health care system. Basic right, universal, everybody has coverage.
Core benefit.
Schlesinger said that his polling shows that 20% of Connecticut likely voters are going to vote straight party-line R with a popular candidate for governor. From here on out, polls will be very unreliable here — when people get in the booth and see Alan on the R line and Ned on the D line, it’s a whole different ballgame
Alan: “Here you go again, Ned!”
YAY — now when RGJoe sez it, it’ll be a retread.
I heart ALAN!!
liberal, a left, ah liberl
Alan: I’m running against these two liberal democrats.
Schlesinger advocating the Pat Buchanon apporach on illegal immigration. Right now, Lou Dobbs is doing a happy dance.
How are those armadilloes tasting out there in the middle of that road, Joe?
Schlesinger is just doling out the red meat to his base.
Lieberman cannot match him as a Republican.
And Lamont stands as the only real Democrat alternative to Schlesinger.
The voters of Connecticut are getting some clarity here.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 122
Actually, Lou Dobbs is closer to Ned Lamont: He advocates going after the employers — in fact, Lou Dobbs calls them “illegal employers.”
Joe now sucking up to the Schlesinger immigration perspective faction. That whole middle of the road thing is looking awfully pandering at the moment for Joe.
TeddySanFran @ 121
hahahahaha
ok joe answer that!
Alan– Don’t listen to Joe’s rhetoric, look at his voting record…
hahaha
mwehehe
Ned going after the inefficiencies in health care — emergency room should not be the fall-back for basic health care, yet that is what a lot of Americans have to use.
Republican Congressman Curt Weldon’s daughter’s house is raided by the FBI.
All in the Corrupt Family.
-GSD
Talking about having nothing to loose, Schlessinger is hitting on all cylinders. According to Arianna – this would make a great concession speech
Lol, the gooper wants to “touch the peoople”
Oh. God. I. Hate. Joe. Lieberman.
Schless: I alone can touch the people.
Um, isn’t that the problem with the repugs?
No touchie.
Urban Pirate @ 131
Republicans have been doing a lot of that lately….
Schlesinger is either a bigot or he figures those are the only folks who will vote for him. His answer on immigration implies that people are just coming here because they’re too lazy to do it in their own country, and they want to come here to burn our flags.
For a guy who hates being “attacked” Joe certainly likes to get in the digs. Jesus, he’s a sanctimonious SOB.
I alone can bad-touch the people.
It’s the GOP 2008 platform!
60% of uninsured workers work for small biz.
The other 40% work for Wal-Mart.
Lieberman attacking Ned about business. HoJoe is a great liar.
Alan Schlessinger. What a nutbag. I hope this helps him steal votes from HoJoe.
Joe has a health plan? Must be a hell of a plan if it took him all these years to come up with it.
Flyin’ by, hope this isn’t redundant OT, but the Newsweek website has an article up on the Selling of Wars, featuring Clint Eastwood, whose movie on the Iwo Jima survivors should make compelling moviegoing this weekend.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15…../newsweek/
And in the Dept of the Tipping Point Has Been Reached, at B&N I spotted this new release by Gerry Spence: Bloodthirsty Bitches and Pious Pimps of Power. Add in David Kuo’s new book and just about all the bases are covered now, if the sheeple can be persuaded to pull their fingers out of their ears and open their eyes.
Cujo359 @ 135
Why is this an either/or? I’d say both/and after watching this performance.
Didnt Joe insert a health care provision that would kill small businesses back in the Hillary days?
Ned now asked about the Joe ad that lied about his business record. Starts by saying to Joe “talk about apologies being due” — says that Joe’s facts are inaccurate and that he’s very proud of the business.
Schlesinger says he built himself up from scratch. (Hits Lieberman for being in state politics for a few terms before going to Washington.) Says that he is the one standing up there who has built himself up from a very low position, and that Ned can’t really claim to understand the “little guy” issues.
Joe says he’ll explain about the inaccurate ad — and then starts talking about Joe and his own record. Then says they got the information from the NYTimes (so it’s the Times fault — wrong — also inaccruate, Joe.) Then goes on to talk about health insurance plans — and says it is a mandate on small businesses to cover workers (Joe uses the GOP talking points on health insurance).
Ned hits back — Sen. Lieberman, you’ve been saying that for the last 18 years. And for the last 18 years, our health insurance system has been broken. Ned now going on to Joe’s record. You weren’t there on Homeland Security votes. You weren’t there on the Medicare-D vote — and now our seniors are dealing with a horrible donut hole. We are 49th out of 50 in funding. We are second worst in the US — you have to show up for work, you have to be fighting for CT every day.
Is there a count down clock on the 17 minutes?
C-span keeps timing out every time Ned starts to talk. Sigh.
Joe “can’t not answer that”? When does Joe out of time?
1:49pm and Joe is out of time.
Shut up Joe! Your outta time!
Oh, but Joe doesn’t need to play by the rules — as usual!
Primordial Ooze @ 123
I wish I could give you a 4 for that comment.
Oooh. Lieberman said not “per capita, there are richer people in CT.” Like in New Haven, Hartford, etc. Joe?
Joe now saying that he missed votes because of the VP nomination. “In the end, part of life is showing up, but part of life is what you do.”
Ned says that while Lieberman was in the Senate the amount of money CT gets back has gone down.
Moderator has to tell Lieberman that he is out of time and has to stand back. Lieberman continues to try and speak. Again. (Does he ever follow the debate rules?)
Schlessinger says: Joe, your time has run out, no pun intended.
Joe again steps up to the mike to talk.
“joe, your time has run out, No PUN INTENDED”.
lmao!
It’s the debate equivalent of parking in the handicapped spot.
L4L doesn’t accept either desire of CT voters to get out of the race or the desire of the moderators to observe the time limitations.
Ned hits back — Sen. Lieberman, you’ve been saying that for the last 18 years. And for the last 18 years, our health insurance system has been broken. Ned now going on to Joe’s record.
Joe claims his record of attendance is as good as Lamont’s on the city board. (93%). I’d ask what that record would be over the last couple of years, not the last eighteen. He certainly missed critical votes. Why? Joe’s response pretends to answer, but it doesn’t.
Schelinger. “most republicans are all for me.”
LindaR @ 146
Joe has to be over his limit. wt heck?
The rules apparently don’t apply to Joe Lieberman. He’s better than the rules.
Schlesinger points out that Joe’s run out of time. “Literally”.
Schlessinger: “I got thrown under the bus. But here I am baby.”
Unreal, who is this moderator!
Jane Hamsher @ 155
What, they couldn’t get *ilson (”… and then I disappeared him”) to moderate the debate?
Liberal internet bloggers!
“A debate framed by internet bloggers…”
Oooh, Jane. He’s talking about you. ;)
Closing statements now:
Schlessinger — A kiss from George Bush versus a hug from Al Sharpton. Brings in liberal bloggers. If you are a conservative voter, you are probably afraid of Ned Lamont, but Joe Lieberman is not your friend either. He votes 90% of the time with liberals, and told you that he plans on voting and caucusing with Dems. Votes like Hillary and Ted Kennedy.
Doesn’t make sense to vote for Joe if you are a conservative or a moderate.
OH GO ALAN!!!
Slamming Lieberman on the stuff he was boasting about before the primary.
Drive by media!
raven316 @ 163
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH!!!
SUCK IT, JOE!
You don’t know the powaaaaaaahhh…
Jane Hamsher @ 168
Love it.
“they’re lazy and they burn flags” — that’s the entire GOP subtext on illegal immigration.
Gee, if “they’re lazy” then we don’t have to worry about them taking “our jobs,” do we?
This is so much fun!
Ned’s closer:
This debate, this campaign is all about change. Things are fundamentally broken in DC, and more of the same will not fix it. I’m running against a career politician who says “stay the course.” Talks about business experience — when you see a problem, you don’t kick it down the road, you fix it. I’m going to stand up to the Bush/Cheney Administration. I’m going to stand up to the lobbyists. It wo9n’t take me 18 years to stand up for real health care reform. I’ll stand up to the two oil men int he WH and put in place a plan for real energy reform.
After 18 years, now you are part of that problem. Time is up. People in CT want people to stand up for people here — I’m going to fight for tyhe people of our state. My name is Ned Lamont, and I’d sure appreciate your vote.
Schlessnger: “Joe thumbed his nose at any conservative initiative.” Whaaaat? Like the all the faithbased/media purity crap, social security privatization, Iraq,Alito, Clarence Thomas . . . Alan must be in the outer limits of the lunatic fringe, if he thinks Lieberliar is moderate.
let’s see if Joe gets to go over his time?
Yea Ned !!
Thank you, Joe! Keep talking about Ned in your closing statement. We appreciate it.
Joe “Ned’s criticising me because I’m not partisan enough” Puhhleez.
All right they cut his sorry ass off!
Joe’s closer:
Joe begins by saying that this debate has showcased what the campaign has been about — then goes on to whine about people saying that he’s wrong, including Ned. (CHS: So does that mean the campaign has been about Joe whining that people are mean to him? Waaaaah — no one understands me.)
Lieberman goes on about port security (why did it take 5 years, Joe?) FEMA — we did a hard-hitting investigation (why did it come only AFTER Katrina, Joe?). End the war in Iraq…
Ooops, Joe went over his time. Debate over.
I didn’t see the whole debate, but I hope Ned made a point about Lieberman being lobbyist, special interests beholden.
I wish Joe would stop talkin about partisanship.
L4L-I’ll be stronger now as a Democrat running as an independent…
WTF is he talking about?
And Joe gets cut off to end the show . . . Now there’s a metaphor for you!
OMG – Joe said “to end our war in Iraq” is that a first?
Oooh, at the end, Joe said he was running as a Democrat. All Ned had to do in this debate was say “You go, Schless!”
raven316 @ 10:59 am (#179)
Apparently, my CSPAN Internet stream is on a delay. I’m reading about some of this stuff before it happens.
I have to say, I think Joe came in third.
Joe admits “things are broken”. Well, YOU BROKE IT, Joe.
Joe says we have “partisan gridlock”, lol. We need to give more to the goopers so they can “get things done”.
What a tool. I’d imagine Joe lost 10 points to Schleshinger and Ned today.
He’s the ultimate panderer in a year where we have very little tolerance for that.
That jagoff’s whole raison d’etre is “I’m better”. I’m better than the real Republican and I’m better than the real Democrat.
“No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise
the other.”
Take that and shove it Joe!
Thanks very much for the live blogging!
Joe was a real punchbowl turd in this debate…
Can Holy Joe be any more whiny and depressing?
Joe just came up the back stairs while every one else is downstairs in the ballroom for the post-debate spin. Of course he wasn’t going to meet with the press after that performance.
Sure he can, on election day!
beth meacham @ 191
If I was living in Connecticut, I’d almost be tempted to vote for Alan Schlesinger.
Obviously Holy Joe is a douchebag, but Alan more than held his own at this debate.
I still support Ned Lamont, and will continue to do so, but I’d be more worried about him than the real Republican, Joe Lieberman.
Is there a poll where we vote for the winner?
I sure hope Nutmeggers are watching. It will be interesting to hear how local news edits this debate.
dex @ 190
And yet, you’ll be reading somewhere soon about how he kicked ass, I’m sure.
I agree with John Casper–thank you all for the ongoing commentary. Much appreciated. It sounds like I should look for the CSPAN rerun.
Naturally, the debate was immediately followed by an interview with a Republican political analyst who declared that Joe topped them all. No need for spin.
Have you seen this? It was just linked through Yahoo.
http://www.connpost.com/news/ci_4499515
Talks about the pharm lobbying and Joe.
Commentator after the debate is Republican (according to his introduction) and he took the opportunity to indicate Joe won debate and stick several digs into Lamont while laughing off Schlessinger. Unfortunately that will matter almost as much as the debate itself.
Frankly Lamont didn’t shine. Not terrible, but not great either. But Schlessinger probably will boost his poll numbers some (which is good).
I bet Alan (Real GOP) will be up to 20 after this debate airs. He did great. So did Ned — great suit, great points, great debate.
But Alan was the star. Lotsa GOPers coming home to the R lever after today. None of them will vote for a liberal Democrat, no matter what Karl sez they should do.
hopefully this debate will be most illuminating for all those republicans who have been telling pollsters they were going to vote for joe.
The L4L Party doesn’t have a GOTV machine, does it?
Joshua Xalpharis @ 194
Joshua, Schlessinger is pulling between 4 and 6% of the vote. The rest of the GOP is voting for Joe. We’re counting on Alan to siphon off some of Joe’s GOP support.
My two cents: Schlesinger might have picked up a few votes from Lieberman. Ned neither lost nor gained ground. Maybe Joe did worse than I could perceive by mostly listening and then only watching them on a thumbnail-sized screen. God, is he whiney!. I’d vote against him just for that if I lived in CT.
TeddySanFran @ 203
Agreed.
OT: CSPAN1 is now showing a U.S. Commission On Civil Rights hearing on voter intimidation. Might be a bit late to do anything about this election? Donna Brazille is on the commission.
Did anyone see the Times article on Ned’s wife?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10…..f=politics
He’s from a wealthy family,” said Catherine Chalmers, a classmate of Ms. Lamont’s at Stanford University, “but she’s been the breadwinner.”
Cozumel @ 204
Not that I know of, he’s going to have to buy whatever he can.
kirby @
193
Kirby!! How was the sense of things in the room?
c-span1 rebroadcast of the debate is scheduled for 11pm tonight.
Alan talked about Rell (CT-GOV) supporting him, and the CT-GOP chair sending a letter to all the GOP town committees telling them to support him. Has that really happened?
Ed*ard Teller @ 206
I only saw the second half of the debate, but my impression is the same as yours. I don’t think Lamont will pick up much support, the main question appears to be how much Republican support Schlessinger will take from Lieberman.
Aren’t there supposed to be more debates for this race?
Whoa…
The filings show that $54 million to $193 million of the family’s wealth stems from Ms. Lamont’s work at Oak Investment Partners in Westport, Conn., while $1 million to $5 million is traced to Mr. Lamont’s stake in his Greenwich-based cable television company, Lamont Digital Systems. Roughly half the family’s assets are in Ms. Lamont’s name, and about 5 percent in her husband’s name; the rest is held jointly by the couple or in trusts for their three children, ages 19, 15 and 13.
OT: Robert Pastor: “Voter IDs are part of the problem, not the solution”.
From that voter intimidation hearing.
Joshua Xalpharis @ 195
Really Joshua? Please explain why you’re worried about Ned?
TheOtherWA @ 183
TeddySanFran @ 214
As far as I know, NO. Rell asked him to drop out of the debate. She pretty much said she supported Joe during her deabte with DeStefano. But c’mon the guy’s a cardshark. So what do you expect.
I watched, I think Schlesinger won the debate. His policies are abhorant and terrible, but on performance–he won. Joe tied for second with Ned. If Ned doesn’t go for the throat he’s going to lose.
If he wants to play the game, he’s going to have to get sweaty and begin blowing things up and let the dust settle, some of it on him. Time to play rough, or lose.
Good luck Ned, God Bless you.
Are there more debates scheduled?
I have no doubt that Ned can (and should) defeat Joe Lieberman. This is paired with the virtual non-entity that is Alan Schlesinger.
What worries me is that Alan is right. While he was busy leaving handprints across Joe’s ass-cheeks, he was the only one to come out and say that the money just isn’t there when it comes to social security.
Lookie here:
http://www.newhavenindependent…..bate_1.php
“The ghost of Crazy Eddie was channeled Monday by a man who would be Connecticut’s next senator — and whose name is neither Lieberman or Lamont.
This candidate’s name is Alan Schlesinger. He is the official candidate nominated by the Republican Party to replace Joe Lieberman in the U.S. Senate. He trails both Lieberman — who’s now running as a “Connecticut for Lieberman” candidate — and Democrat Ned Lamont by far in this fall’s Senate race; Republicans are overwhelmingly backing Lieberman instead. Schlesinger has been drowned out by all the attention on the other two candidates.”…
Fresh thread, gang.
From the New Haven Independent – lol, calls Schlesinger “Crazy Eddie”
The article ends with:
“Schlesinger’s emergence would work in Lamont’s favor. If he can rise to 15 percent of the vote from his current 4 percent standing in the polls, he’d probably swing the election to Lamont.
WORKS TOWARD NED….”
Holy shit…I want Schlesinger.
Just kidding, but he did an excellent, excellent job and can only hurt Catfish Joe. Can’t wait to see the next polls…I’d be suprised if he doesn’t p/u 5-7% of Joe’s base, the Rethugs.
I thought Ned was nervous at first, speaking a little too fast, but he settled in quite nicely as the debate continued and landed some especially hard blows at the end.
Joe’s attempt to innoculate himself against Ned’s talking points at the beginning of the debate seemed fairly effective until Schlesinger kicked his ass to the curb.
I loved Ned’s comments to Schlesinger toward the end regarding fighting the establishment and running on his ideas and principles. Wonderfully effective tactic in isolating the Catfish where he can’t fight.
Most telling point of the debate and wonderfully indicative of Joe’s character: The asshole just would not STFU after he had run out of time.
“Buh..buh.., But, I’m not finished, and I’m Joe Lieberman and I need to tell you more and I,I, I’m scared that I won’t have a job anymore and I NEED THIS!!!
What a fuckboy.
Oh please stop saying Schless was the star of the show. He was carni-esque. Two words: wack job. Go Schless!
It’s amazing that the Repub power structure is letting this dude screw up their deal, I smells a rat.
mui @
228
Teddy at 220 — there are two more debates scheduled, I think. Any best on whether Lieberman is bitching at his staff for getting him to agree to three debates? *G*
The moderator, Tom Monahan has worked at Ch30 for decades. He is still good friends with John Rowland(R felon ex-gov) Not exactly a Lamont supporter, as is the case with most of the CT media.
Just watched the last half of the debate… haven’t had time to read all the comments… headed to work… but my 2 cents; Joe’s many years as a career politician gives him an edge on polish, etc.; somehow need to capitalize on Schlesinger’s potential to pull republican votes away from Joe; Ned needs to use that old Reagan trick — “there you go again” and smile more. Substance alone doesn’t win these things…
What do you expect from a guy who owes William F. Buckley for his senate seat?