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Kevin Drum on the new NYT article/chart :
The theory behind it, I guess, is that the political climate when you're age 20 affects your party preference for your entire life. The hypothesis would go something like this: popular presidents produce a swing among 20-year-olds to their own party, and unpopular ones produce a swing in the other direction.
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It looks to me like the Christian right's social neanderthalism is causing the Republican Party to lose a generation forever.
I came of age politically during Carter/Reagan, and I remember walking around muttering "Ronald Reagan is the devil" like that was as bad as it could get. Little did I know the plans others were laying to compete for that title at that very moment. Here's hoping that BushCo. has so radicalized a whole generation that they are willing to stand up and say "never again" for decades to come.
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Pach!
Pach, I reread some of our disagreement on Clinton from last night. I see from whence you were coming and tend to agree.
Yep, VietNam.
BTW, I should have known I would get EPU’d- but I just left a post here:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200.....ent-336658
I wish I had lot’s of $$$ for give for worthy candidates, but sometimes I just don’t.
But, ET’s article was great, and she (Benson) looks like a great candidate.
Double up!!! Okay, here’s a modest proposal- I will put $20 into the Benson pot at egregious’s ActBlue page- when someone *who has not already donated* does the same- just drop me a note here on this thread (Face the Snark), then donate, and I’ll do the same. I can only match one donation at this point tho!
I came of age politically during Carter/Reagan, and I remember walking around muttering “Ronald Reagan is the devil” like that was as bad as it could get. Little did I know the plans others were laying to compete for that title at that very moment.
Yep, same here. I couldn’t imagine that many of the folks who were behind the Reagan era would lay low for 12-15 years and then come back to finish the job, discarding what few scruples they had left along the way.
Swopa @
4
I like Swopa because he gets my Robin Trower jokes.
The same reason I finally decided to start dating men my own age.
Karl Rove…”Say Bye, Bye”
“How sweet it is”
But, there will always be ‘Roves in our midst’.
“The theory behind it, I guess, is that the political climate when you’re age 20 affects your party preference for your entire life. The hypothesis would go something like this: popular presidents produce a swing among 20-year-olds to their own party, and unpopular ones produce a swing in the other direction.”
When I was twenty, I supported the Vietnam war. Things have changed. I have changed.
Jane Hamsher @ 5
“Jokes”? Plural? How many jokes about Robin Trower can there be?
The first campaign I followed was Henry Wallace (not George). He lost to Truman (I was six at the time). I’ve been picking losers ever since.
Living in NY there is no chance that my vote will matter so I always try to support a minor party candidate so that the range of political viewpoints being expressed will be greater.
One of the problems these days is that the difference between the two parties on the core issues like militarism or “free” trade is almost the same. Neither side is prepared to deal with looming raw material shortages, over population and climate change. So getting ideas from Greens or the like might inject some fresh ideas into the political arena.
Swopa @ 7
Oh I can do 10 minutes on Bridge of Sighs alone.
I was born in 1947. What a year! The HUAC hearings, Chuck Yeager flies into outer space, Good News, Desert Fury, and Gore Vidal summers in the Bahamas with boytoy supreme Harold Lang.
I came of age in the era of the Great Golfer and was in High School during the Kennedy administration. In 1962 he played brinksmanship with the Soviet Union and nearly brought the world as we know it to an end.
Consequently I wasn’t upset when he was offed in Dallas. The sonofabitch tried to kill me — fuck him!
Came out in High school (Communist Martyrs High, Class of ‘64) and neevr looked back. Got into gay politics right after Stonewall.
Met my boyfriend Bill in ‘71 and we’ve been together ever since.
Me, I wasn’t old enough to vote against Goldwater, who I thought was a dangerous lunatic (you had to be 21 then, I missed by a year) and I was raised by a Rock-Ribbed-Maine-Republican mother. I’m not sure where that puts me. I know my mother was a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat by the time she died, however. I doubt that the “when were you born” chart means much at all. I’d much rather see a “how many years were you in school” chart, or a “how many kids do you have to raise” chart, etc., etc., etc… …
Jane Hamsher @ 5
As opposed to older men or younger? :)
Swopa @
4
I’m of the same generation you both are. A couple of years ago, I realized that Rove and his buddies are those humorless young Republicans I used to laugh at on campus. Little did I know that the same fools who annoyed me then would grow up to try to dismantle the Constitution and establish a morally bankrupt shell of a theocracy.
Jane Hamsher @ 9
(*cowers in corner*)
Damn, if TRex knew that, he’d realize that tasering him was downright merciful.
In my 20s I reacted to Kennedy and then Vietnam by moving very far to the left. I am slightly less left now, but not much. My kids have come of political age during Bush era and are also now confirmed in their left views in response. How could anyone with even a breath of hope regarding the world’s collective future not react in horror to what this regime has done to the world.
This generation of Americans is negative on Bush and the right, but the rest of the owrld (I live in Canada) is horrified, the negative reaction is almost universal, any age, any position on the ideological spectrum.
Could Baby Jesus love us that much? One can only hope.
(BTW, Jimmy Carter signed my first driver’s license… not literally though.)
I was a communication major, a freshmen in college when Bush/Reagan came into office. I was appalled by his “evil empire” speech and completely undone by his taking credit for the changes in the soviet union. I had been a big follower of Armand Hammer and all his work with many “hostile” countries. I think what he did and our undercover cia did, had a lot more to do with the fall of the soviet union that anything Reagan did. But so many people bought it. Also he did the same crap as Bush in that he hurt the little guy in the interest of corporate america. He pretended to be a christian as he literally took food out of the mouths of babes. It affected me deeply. The Clinton years were such a reprieve from that trickle down era that never trickled down.
Let’s swing this thing and make life better for everyone!!
egregious @
12
Uh….ask Pach.
He does a good analysis of how this reflects all my narcissism and control issues.
(Note to self: number of shrinks on staff probably sufficient.)
If truth be known, I came of political age around the dinner table about the age of 12 or so. Listening to the folks discuss JFK, unions and the Democratic party. Oh yes. And how bad the Republicans were. The old folks were right then, and as it turns out, they’d be right tonight.
Valley Girl @ 3
And we are waiting for your contributions here at:
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We can DEFEAT these Abramoff/Marianas forced abortion/forced labor monsters. Give generously to help offset travel expenses for Diane Benson to travel to all of Alaska! The whole state is one gigantic Congressional district.
Thank you for your help.
Swopa @ 4
Reagan? Try Nixon-Ford*. The same bad apples, back once again. Let’s get the stake THROUGH the heart this time, ‘kay?
*unless you want to count GHWB and November 1963. History will not be kind to the Bush crime family. You think we are exaggerating when we speak of crime. But no.
Mine was not a generational thing. I liked Carter when I was a kid. Voted for Daddy Bush once. Voted for Clinton twice and voted for Gore and Kerry.
I never became actively involved until the shock in 2000 that George W was going to be president. I had always hated him because I thought he was a lying, silver spoon fed, coward and of course I he had to prove me correct without a shadow of a doubt.
As Jane said…George W and his minions are as bad or worse than anything Satan has produced…IMHO.
Thanks egregious!!!! I’m still awaitin’ someone to take me up on the “double up” offer. Yeah, I could have just put in $40, but I thought I’d try this out as a way to coax donors (a donor) out of the closet!!!! ;) We’ll see
My first ever vote was for Jimmy Carter in 1976… I was so very proud…
I actually choked up for a moment during Reagan’s funeral… as if somewhere deep in my heart I felt nostalgic for those days when I only thought he was the devil… before I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt what ghouls the next generation of Republicans had in store for us…
Recent history has taught me to remain vigilant and not celebrate their demise prematurely, but slowly but surely, I’m starting to believe we’ll bury these assholes once and for all this time… or perhaps I should say, we’ll bury them with a great deal of assistance from… well… them…
Online, everybody seems focused (rightly or wrongly), but in real life I typically run into twentysomethings who have grown up acclimated to such a dumbed-down world of ideas that they’re seriously blinkered and disconnected from the dangers taking place around them. Mainstream news is a joke and education is being shifted away from analysis-based learning with every complaint made by reactionary parents objecting to their kids having to consider new ideas.
The young people I speak to have a vague sense that’s something’s not right, but don’t seem to have developed the habit of probing for detail. We have to create a framework where nuance can be appreciated, since the Republicans have certainly exploited the benefits of simplistic arguments long enough.
egregious @ 21
Yes, I didn’t realize that until much later, too…
Valley Girl @ 23
VG-
Does it count that I made my first donation to Diane Benson last night at egreege’s ActBlue page?
katie Jensen @ 17
What I am happy to admit: Reagan had little to do w the fall of the Soviet Union. They collapsed of their own internal rot [remember I work there and have talked w a lot of people.] What is more painful to admit: I was totally wrong about Communism. Always thought their evil was being hyped for political reasons. Well it was, but in fact Communism, in how it was expressed in the Soviet Union, WAS IN FACT EVIL. I saw with my own eyes the soul-killing and nation-killing effects of Communism. So I was wrong.
The truth: often complex, often painful. Let’s remember that when Democrats or even progressives go astray in the future. Have some sympathy for conservative true believers who are starting to feel like Martin Luther. Be kind to them as they blindly stumble back towards the light.
dr nobody @ 16
Mine too!!!
I’ll never forget seeing Jimmy Carter enter the Omni in Atlanta as Governor being lead to his seat at the Bob Dylan/Band concert…
persiflage & piffle @ 27
Where’s egregious’ Act Blue page? I’ll donate.
persiflage & piffle @ 27
Good for you!!!! But right now, I’m trying coax another donor (some reluctant donor) out of the closet. But Benson is a great candidate, and you did well. xxxooo
Never again.
Jane Hamsher @ 30
http://www.actblue.com/page/egregious
at http://mcegregious.blogspot.com
usually a home for rants about mental illness and politics.
How about you?
Well Jane, I’m 52, but I’m in…
Valley Girl @ 31
Valley Girl @ 31
I’m in…
http://www.actblue.com/page/egregious#11475
Jane!!! Did you make the first offer? Text is sorta scrambled… Let me know…
whoopee- do we have two? Thatsinger, and Jane? Okay, if so, despite what I said about only one, I’ll match 2 this time, bec. Benson is a great candidate!
p.s. just let me know when you’ve completed the transaction(s)!!!!! And then I’m good to go. xxooo.
Jesse was my first vote for Prez I was still in highschool, unfortantly my county gave more votes to David Duke.
Above all, when Arianna speaks, I do listen. She tells us:
Remember Ned Lamont? He was that guy who came out of nowhere to beat Joe Lieberman in the Connecticut Democratic primary in 2006, only to turn around and lose to him in the general election when he got too cautious and stopped running the hard-charging campaign that had excited everyone in the first place.
I really thought he was going to win there for a while. He probably could have, but, hey, hindsight is 20/20 — too late to do anything about it now.”
That’s not a real quote — yet. But if things keep going the way they’re going in the Senate race in Connecticut, you’re likely to hear many variations on it in the years to come. Which would be too bad — especially because it’s so preventable.
Yes, hindsight is 20/20. But that doesn’t mean we can’t also have clear-eyed foresight. It would be a shame if Ned Lamont lost. And not just for Lamont. Returning Joe Lieberman to the Senate would be a loss for all Americans — and a loss for the Constitution (see Lieberman’s disgraceful vote in support of the recent torture bill). And yet I fear that’s exactly what’s going to happen if Lamont doesn’t regain the passion and purpose that propelled him to his victory over Lieberman in the primary.
It is bitterly ironic that instead of building on that momentum by continuing to make his case against Lieberman, Lamont has let himself become enmeshed in the same consultant-driven culture of caution and blandness that has produced a steady stream of modern candidates more worried about stepping on the land mines laid out by their opponents’ campaign teams than stepping forward to lead. The addition to the Lamont campaign after the primary of Democratic insiders Howard Wolfson, Doug Schoen, and Stephanie Cutter has been part of the problem. According to their poll-driven culture, one must move to the center and appeal to those in the middle. And, as a result, once-promising politicians are insidiously encouraged to lose their moral bearing — and the authenticity that made them so compelling in the first place. In the attempt to appeal to everyone, they end up losing their appeal. As Bill Curry puts it in the Hartford Courant , “Inundated with insider advice, [Lamont] grew more cautious; his message became blurred and ineffective…Three televised debates in the next eight days may tell the outcome. To win, Lamont must come off the ropes and go on the attack.
egregious- do the page totals $$ update automatically? Time lag?
I came of age during the Reagan/Bush era. Disliked them both. The midwest was turning into the Rust Belt at that time, with all the manufacturing jobs being shipped to Mexico. I saw then only the rich did well and knew conservatives were full of crap.
I love that graphic, and really, really hope it’s true. Wouldn’t it be ironic if Rove’s election engineering to get Bush 43 in office set up the dynamics to get R’s out of power for decades? :)
When GWB ran in 2000, he tried to appear moderate, then after the selection by the court, hired all of Nixon’s leftovers! After the mess is cleaned up, we must make sure Americans all know HOW the mess was made. Pardons will not wipe away the stains on our country left by these fools.
They’re called Millennials and go here for an overview of who these kids are today:
http://www.generationsatwork.c.....enials.htm
I was a young teen during Viet Nam but started to pay attention during Watergate. To this day I can remember Judge Sirica demanding Nixon turn over his tapes. My father was stunned.
From that day on I was a news junky.
there’s the problem Jane, I ALSO couldn’t stomach Reagan and ALWAYS thought he was dim witted
for some reason I CANNOT understand, the raised a generation of republicans…my generation LIKED him, and I just couldn’t get it.
I saw the middle class turning into nothing, stores closing every single weak, rich people getting more wealth while lower class were getting turned into the street
mom and pop stores open for two generations being closed down
it was SICK but my generation turned into republicans because of that idiot
right now, for some unknown reason, people who’s intelligence I USED to respect think this whole hate thing for bush is “liberal media”, they REFUSE to hold him to account for ANYTHING
everything that has ever happened bad was “Clinton’s fault”, and everything that looks even remotely good is “see”..I TOLD you things were going GREAT”
this president has created a division that I never ever thought I would see among Americans
he has created ” a great divide”
though I always thought Reagan was a TERRIBLE “communicator”, for some reason the media tagged him “the great communicator”
I think we should tag Bush;
“the great divider”
kind of catchy
My first vote; Shirley Chisholm.
My political hero, Lawton Chiles, Mr government in the sunshine.
But looking at the Graph the Dems should never lose, but Karl knows how to get the most out of the least.
We have a long way to go.
me to me @ 44
Valley Girl @
38
Okay VG I did it. Just gave $$$ to Benson via egregious.
Hey thanks you two!!!! I just did my $40 matching contribution to Benson at
http://www.actblue.com/page/egregious
Online shopping really IS fun!!!! xxooo
Jane Hamsher @ 47
Jane- thanks- also saw another $20 (thatsinger, I assume) so I matched them both.
Back in 2000 after the debacle know as the election, I was saying give Bush 2 years and he’ll destroy the Republican party once and for all.
I was a little optimistic with the 2 year window.
katie Jensen @
17
Ah, trickle down economics. I remember it well. The memory trigger for a cascade is the image of Ronald Regan standing on the Empire State Building, pissing into the street.
me to me @
44
Reagan almost destroyed the English language and we have not yet recovered. When he began calling missiles “peacekeepers,” as an English major I almost put my head through a wall. Twisting language into a pretzel and subverting meaning to political ends became the art of the modern Republican party.
Everyone who contributed to spreading the notion that Reagan was a “great communicator” should be wearing sack cloth and ashes. He’s a great communicator like Howie Mandel is a great communicator. They’re both actors, and just barely. They read their lines effectively. The end.
Jane Hamsher @
5
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Jane Hamsher @ 52
I wonder if they might have meant nonverbal communication. Reagan was very good at conveying an affable, benevolent vibe, which served to sugarcoat his awful policies.
Of course, “The Great Obfuscator” probably would have been more appropriate…
here’s the platform the next democratic candidate for President shoudl use
it takes a little from gincgrich, it takes a whole bunch from roosevlet;
“America’s Deal and our promise to American’s”
1) In the future, there will be profit in self defense ONLY when we are not at war, at time of war the defense industry federalizes and produces for our soldiers at cost
In this way it will be in big bussiness’s best interest to maintain the PEACE, not in there best interest to promote war
2) a man who works 40 hours a week;
Should be able to raise a family without using public assistance and when he needs public assistancce for everyday family expenses the middle class is subsidizing the company that hires this individual
that has to stop, corporations have to pay their OWN bills WITHOUT relying on the middle class to fend for the corporations workforce
NO WELLFARE FOR PROFITABLE CORPORATIONS
there will be exceptions, for instanuce unincorporated bussiness would be able to hire according to what the market will bare
a man who works 40 hours a week should be ably to put healthy food on the table without using pubic assistance
He should be able to afford health care for his wife and children, without using public assistance
He should be able to get his kids teeth fixed, without using public assistance
He should be able to put all of his children through college if they are eleigable scholastically, without using public assistance
He should be able to take a vacation once a year, without using public assistance
If ANY company pays so little that these needs have to be assumed with public assistance, that company is STEALING from the middle class and contributing to the great divide
if a company uses foreign labor for their workforce and there is no collective bargaining agreement in that country a tarriff will be added to the price of the goods so that Americans do not promote child abuse, starvation and slave labor.
it’s a work in progress, feel free to contribute
Eli @ 53
The first scream, of many hearts breaking across the internets . . .
Organic George @
45
Me too! But it was in my 9th grade straw poll. :-)
I watched the 1968 Democratic Convention and that did it for me. Martin Luther King Jr. made a huge impression on me…so many events of the time had an influence, I’m sure.
BTW, Jane, can you fix the link to the larger version of the graphic? The “ht” in the “http” is missing.
Thanks.
here’s an idea!!!
how about a “ten things we need to do as the next president of America”
we’d make a GREAT friggin list the progressives could use in their campaigns
I remember when Reagan pranced out onto the GOP Convention stage in his ice-cream-man suit to make Nixon’s 1968 nomination unanimous — watching on teevee with my dear gramma, who turned to me and said, “If that man ever becomes President, we’ll have to leave the country.”
Well, he did and we didn’t.
I will never forgive him and his horrible wife for their stalling on AIDS — allowing a catastrophe to become a disaster, now a global shame. I’m just glad to see Nancy denied her precious stem-cell research. This is how it feels, lady.
I joined the navy in 1961. When the Cuba ballon went up I was on a submarine, in port, with all the main diesel piston liners pulled and sitting on the weather deck waiting to get surveyed.
We were underway and and 20 miles at sea within 12 hours. JFK was the man, with integrity to spare, and I still think so after all these years.
I never got to Vietnam and I didn’t support any war over there, but I would have gone. Not much use for submarines in Vietnam. In fact I voluntered for dive school and EOD, which unbeknownst to me at the time would have put me there. I didn’t go because I was on new construction. Mere chance.
Bush is a jerk, and a dangerous jerk at that. I’ve never thought otherwise.
Jane, you’re so right about how we thought Reagan was the worst thing ever back then. Being in the punk scene, there was a *lot* of talk about that. Well, there was a lot of talk about how bad US government in general was, but Reagan in particular. I remember a comment by Biafra (in Slash magazine, as I recall) about how Carter was evil (”You can tell by his eyes…”). I think I need to ask him about that the next time I see him, heh. Little did we know just how bad it could really get. There’s times when I look back on George HW Bush’s admin. and think that it wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought at the time. Of course, it *was* really bad, but nothing compared to what we have now. While I do think that the era of Reagan made many (then) young people into firm anti-GOPers, I’m ocassionaly surprised by finding out someone has gone over to that side. Though it seems like most of them are recent (as in post 9-11) converts, so there is *that* explanation. They were scared and bought into the fear-mongering that the Republicans do so well.
Eli @
53
Only because you’re taken and don’t think I didn’t take that into consideration, Eli.
I turned 20 during the first Bush administration, but I was a Democrat long before that. For as long as I can remember, in fact - going back to at least age 11, and possibly age 7.
hey guys, I could SWEAR in the run up to the war there was a bush quote;
“this isn’t about regime change it’s about wmd’s
is that quote just a figment of my imagination?
Jane Hamsher @ 64
Well… okay. Jeez, you women are picky.
Jane Hamsher @ 52
I think you can thank people like Peggy Noonan for that pretzeling of the language. Reagan, as with a lot of actors, wasn’t exactly a wizard at writing his own lines. But, he could hit his marks and read those written by others.
The real problem, I suspect, was that he was a bit ornery about having his ideas translated into the speeches and, given his thought processes, there was, therefore, no hope of the prose coming out in anything resembling standard English.
Kent State -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
4 Students
killedmurdered by their government, 9 Wounded. . . doing exactly what my 17 year old self was doing the day before
Jane Hamsher @ 47
Yay Jane! Yay VG! Yay ThatSinger! This site is offered for your political consumption, since Benson is not on the BlueAmerica list. Am not trying to be in competition with fdl, not having a death wish, but simply offering alternatives for (1) friends of mine who don’t know fdl well (2) candidates not on BlueAmerica like Walz, that guy in Minnesota whose ad we all loved, and Diane Benson, with luck the next Congressional Rep. for the entire state of Alaska.
Re men one’s own age, I have always gone for the younger men, as they appreciate independent and strong-willed women. Thank you gentlemen of any age for your willingness to appreciate us as PEOPLE. You WILL be rewarded :)
Howard C. Kveck @ 63
That is so funny that you mention that, Howard, because that was the first thing I thought of when I saw that chart — how Biafra & I used to bitch about how bad Jimmy Carter was. History would certainly provide strange context for those sentiments. Remember all that Jerry Brown/”California Uber Alles” stuff? It all seems like a dream world.
Jane Hamsher @ 64
Eli is taken? Now I’m depressed.
I think the operative verb is not “compete” but “complete”. Everything we’re seeing now started under Reagan — with the involvement of a lot of the same people. It’s rather like the First World War and the Second — two interconnected periods of insanity and atrocity with a brief respite in between…
egregious @ 72
And you should be. Eli’s hot.
Jane Hamsher @ 74
I know, I was online when he posted rare photos of himself. Lucky girl.
I supported Nixon in 1960, and Goldwater in 1964 — but as child born into a family of Lincoln Republicans, and seeing how I was 14 in ‘64, I have an excuse.
In High School, I subscribed to the news magazines, National Review, and TransAction. In my junior year reality began to intrude, and I came over to to the bright side of the road after Tet.
I became a Democrat, and supported McCarthy, Kennedy, and Humphrey — but in November 1968, I was old enough to die, but too young to vote.
Jane Hamsher @
9
OK, go
…After that comes the Mahogany Rush monologue, right?
;>)
darkblack @
77
You stole my encore!
egregious @ 75
All this objectification of the male form is rather sexist.
(*G*).
Carry on, ladies….
Bill Clinton was at the end of his first term when I was 20.
Those were great times.
My children will never know such times. And that’s sad.
Valley Girl @ 41
Not sure about a lag, but earlier today it was $2,495 and now it’s $2,665. Yay us!
egregious @ 75
I’m pretty sure you both must have me confused with someone else…
Jane Hamsher @ 78
Hey, I saved you Bachman Turner Overdrive
;>)
Jane Hamsher @ 52
At the end of his last presidential debate, Reagan blithered off into incoherence. It was clear then and there that he had alzheimers syndrome. The man all but drooled on himself. Yet the press talked as though he had had delivered a virtuoso performance.
Unfortunately, America’s press is every bit as compliant as were Pravda and Tass. And they are ten times more dangerous, since Soviet citizens knew of that their press was compliant. But the U.S. press is so cleverly controlled that even the participants don’t get it. They are like a school of fish. Each fish individually has full freedom of action, but never chooses to exercise it. (Reminds me of my uncle, who insisted that he could walk on the ceiling any time he felt like it.)
I’ve long believed tthat the blogs and vlogs will have to drive traditional news media out of business before there can be real reform, but I have to admit that Stewart, Colbert, and Olberman may have found another way.
egregious @ 81
And now it’s $2,715. Keep ‘em coming, folks! OUT with the forced abortion people! Regardless of your position on abortion, I think we can all agree that FORCED abortions in the Marianas, and coverup by the committee headed by incumbent Don Young-R Alaska, are TRUE EVIL. The Bible kind of evil.
http://www.actblue.com/page/egregious
FIGHT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!
From Les Payne:
“Let’s go to the body count. President George W. Bush doesn’t like numbers - or fancy words for that matter. At his ah-shucks press conference Wednesday in the Rose Garden, he declared: “Nobody has accused me of having a real sophisticated vocabulary.”
This “Ozark Ike” shtick by our 43rd president has run its course. This wayward scion of one of the ranking ruling-class families has made a career of getting himself underestimated, then collecting on his family name big-time. Every job coming his way unduly, from Air National Guard lieutenant to owner of the baseball Texas Rangers, has been squandered. Now, this middle-aged Prodigal Son, who “wasted his substance in riotous living,” has been empowered to oversee the ship of state, its treasure, honor and the future of its young.”
http://www.newsday.com/news/op.....-headlines
Oklahoma kiddo @ 85
Did you see the NY Daily News story about the war between Bush I and Bush II staffers?
darkblack @ 83
(*runs screaming from room due to attack of traumatically repressed memories*)
Robin Trower
egregious- re: Benson- I see this as an extension of FDL, not competition. If I didn’t know you and P*** M***** via FDL, I might not have paid attention to Benson. And, that does not prevent me from supporting ActBlue candidates. Howie has been incredible in finding and writing about great candidates for ActBlue, but geez, he only has so many hours in a day, and he is amazing with that! I can’t help but imagine that all things being perfect, Benson would have been an ActBlue candidate. And, I have to confess, I am *slightly* biased towards giving the $$$ to really good female candidates.
Swopa @ 87
Just as long as we stay away from Emerson, Lake & Palmer lyrics, I should be okay…
yes Eli - caught it over at your place - along with that hilarious and indeed prescient SNL sketch - had never seen it - thanks !!!
http://multimedium.blogspot.com
egregious @ 81
egregious- I think it does update automatically- could have answered that question myself- I was watching the totals, and saw them go up by $40 (2 $20) and again by $40 when I added my match. As I said, online shopping is fun!
Valley Girl @ 90