I think my worst date ever was with a gay Republican (not counting my last date with a woman, when we went to see Titanic: quite the metaphor, eh?).
The time: spring or summer of 2000. I was single in those days, and trying to move beyond the bar and club scene to meet some people for good, old fashioned dating. I'd set up a profile on one of those online singles sites, where I'd been contacted by what seemed to be an attractive guy a few years younger than me in his late 20's. Judging by his picture, he even reminded me of the first guy I dated, which for some reason I can't recall, I took at the time as some kind of a plus.
The first guy I'd ever dated was someone I'd already come to refer to among my friends as "the Hologram": he looked like a person, but there was nothing really there. Granted, since he was my first boyfriend, I had been ready to commit my life to him on the first date. I was at the time a total rookie, having wasted years of my life trying to think away the gay. Delayed adolescence is a bitch. My first boyfriend was a perpetually nervous, Tagamet-popping type who never could make up his mind about a breakfast order at a diner, let alone about anything related to dating: a pattern many local wags had observed in him even after our "relationship" went busto. I was a piker, but he was a wanker.
Did I mention that first boyfriend was a gay Republican with a political patronage job for the local Republican mayor, having worked full time as a volunteer and then a paid staffer for said mayor's campaign? He was out to his friends but oh-so-discrete around his Ashcrofty, wingnutty family in Missouri. Anyway, back to my Worst. Date. Ever.
I get this guy's email and the link to his profile. He has a master's in. . . something, I forget what. Nice. His picture looked very attractive. Nice. I don't remember what the profile said but it seemed promising enough. I should have noticed how long that profile had been active: I don't remember exactly, but it had been a looong time. If he was all that, I should have realized he would have been snatched up by now, but dating means always hoping, right?
So, we chat on the phone, yadda yadda, and set up a first date for dinner (more on that tactical error later). But he did not live far away, and his building was not far from a bunch of restaurants I knew, so I told him I'd pick him up and we'd head out. He liked American grill type food, and I knew just the place.
When he came out of the building, I experienced the whiplash all too familiar to veterans of online dating: YOU are the person in THIS picture?!!
Okay, maybe he just really, really photoshopped photographed well. He didn't look bad, he just did not look like the beaming hottie in the picture. I was in a place where I was trying to get past surface hotness to get to know people better, so hey, it's a date, roll with it, keep an open mind. Right? Right?
During the ride to the restaurant I learned he was really into politics. A Log Cabin Republican, in fact. Friends with Rich Tafel, then the LCR president or whatever his title was. Into the political junior high of who's-in, who's out, not of the closet, but of the kool kids klub at the gay Republican lunch table. For Bush over Gore in the coming election, blithely spouting all the Washington Post talking points about Gore being a humorless, hapless phony. I learned all this in the .55 mile ride from his condo building to the restaurant. Oy.
Now, at the time, I did not have much of a political consciousness to speak of, but I knew I was for Gore over Bush. I knew Bush was a liar and an idiot, chock full of shit and no friend of the working girl gay. But it was a date, and I was working on not prejudging people, so I met these revelations with a non-commital but generally empathetic series of statements like, "Oh, really?", "You don't say?", "Well, I never would have thought of that!"
Evidently, I must have done a good job of making him feel safe, safe enough to unleash his true self by the time our waiter, a wonderfully dishy ex-drag queen whom I'd never known to suffer bouts of speechless self-restraint, came to take our drink order. Here's what happened:
Waiter: Can I get you anything to drink?
My date: (Bill Clinton voice) I'll just have a ruummm and coke.
I heard it. The waiter heard it. He was doing a Bill Clinton impersonation, in that kind of semi-gravelly southern sweet chocolate milkshake kind of voice, the way all the late nite teevee comedians of the time had done when impersonating the finger wagging, "I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky" thing. As impersonations go, it was good enough to be recognizable, but just off-key enough to be unspeakably dorky, not to mention about as socially appropriate as a loud, long, wet fart: FFFFFTTTTTTHHHHHHBBBBBBBBTTTTT!. It was like the wingnut version of a dweeby Ninja Turtle yell or something. I faked careless amusement as my date beamed back at me, eyes locked on mine, exceedingly pleased and impressed with himself. This, I knew, was his claim to fame among the Log Cabin Republican set. Oy.
Waiter: (Deadpan) Okay, rum and coke it is. . . And you, sir?
My drag queen waiter friend shot a look at me like he'd just totally busted me, read me out up and down in .07 seconds flat, daggers in his eyes, but outwardly an air of forced, professional detachment. Brutal.
Me: Ah, I'll have a Ketel One on the rocks, with lime.
My date: (Bill Clinton voice) That sounds real good! (snorts and guffaws).
Me: Uh, two limes, please. Make it a double.
Exit Waiter, turning smartly, never looking back.
My date kept up with the Clinton impersonation throughout the meal, explaining that, indeed, it was a riotous hit among his friends. He kept at it. It was like a date with the ventriloquist's dummy. This guy could not get out of "character." I ordered a Caesar salad with grilled chicken, quickest from the kitchen. He foiled me by ordering. . . something else that took longer, I forget what. I was busy visualizing rolling surf and soothing beaches, trying to escape the nightmare gay Republican nerd-o-rama sitting directly across from me. After dinner, I made up a lame excuse for making an early night of it and stayed sober enough to get his crazy ass home right away, .55 miles at 60 mph. And then I stopped home long enough to change into a trashy, tight muscle tee before heading to the clubs.
I learned a few things from this. First, always, always, always set up a first date for drinks or coffee, not dinner, so you can make a quicker escape if necessary. Second, never, never, never date a gay Republican. They harbor a deep core of shame and self-hate, and must compartmentalize their lives to such a degree that they by definition lack emotional health and integrity:
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hello, pups!
Fitz!
dating? relationships? what mean you by these words?
Pachacutec!
Hey, what’s wrong with Titanic?
Twisted Martini @ 5
Nothing. Just a kind of parable for my heterosexual career.
I love that your last experience with women was seeing Titanic. Though I would rather date a woman than a Republican myself.
Jane Hamsher @ 7
There were some hot guys in that theater, too.
What a schmuck I was. She was a nice, if clueless, woman.
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That describes the beginning of many dates I’ve been on. They almost never end well.
Meeting for coffee instead of a meal is now required. Learned that one the hard way too.
Dating sucks.
Pachacutec @ 6
I really hope that doesn’t mean you threw the jewelry overboard!
OT-I’ve updated to Firefox 1.5.0.7 and have lost the “refresh comments” and “preview” buttons.
Softail @ 11
Ship = my ego/identity. Iceberg = reality (”you’re a big homo”). I kept my jewels.
TheOtherWA @ 12
I’m on that version on windows with no problems. Try clearing your cache Tools=>Clear Private Data.
Dating is scarey. Mostly all dates. Scarey. I guess dating might be sorta safe if one is a theropod, but not really sure.
bg @ 15
Maybe, but there’s still the chance that she/he is going to mock your tiny little arms…
On my worst date ever, my date ordered corn on the cob, and when he bit into the juicy ear, it sqirted me in the eye. Being the good-natured soul that I am, I laughed it off. But when he could just not get over the faux pas, I quickly got over him.
Oops, Pach, not a theropod.
Oh, I tried a Republican once too. Definately will not try that again.
bg @ 15
Yeah, you’re never too old to feel like you’re 16 again.
I guess that depends on whether your date is bigger than you.
Jane Hamsher @
7
Can I watch?
Softail, that worked! Thank you.
I almost married a Republican (shudder) in 1993. If I wouldn’t have killed him in 2000, I surely would have in 2004.
I can top “Titantic”. For 10 years, I used to think of myself as “the Gerald Ford of gay dating”.
Hi, Pach, great story and Bonne Anniversaire to you both!
My introduction to the Gay GOP Mafia happened after the moving van pulled away from our newly rented Fifth Street honeymoon cottage on Capitol Hill, revealing my Mustang’s North Carolina plates to the cross-the-street neighbor. He flounced across the street, hand on hip and martini shaker in hand, asking “Where are y’all from anyway?” Turns out he was a low-level staffer in Jesse Helms’ office, and there were lots of them (us?) working for The Devil Himself at that time (early eighties). Never understood it; still don’t.
By the way, where’s Mehlman when we need her? She’s certainly kept a low profile, post-Foley.
EPU’d from the last thread, if ET is here, I gotta message for him:
Ed*ard Teller @
30
Hey ET, I remember Howie telling you on the Blue America thread to have Kris email him at his DWT/AOL account, which can be accessed directly from his blog.
I’ve had other misadventures, but this is the only rated G one I could print.
Pach, joy and blessings on your love and the anniversary you both share….
My worst date ever – no, it’s too close to bedtime.
I’m single – and if this week’s date (this month’s date? this autumn’s date? this year’s….) is any sign, I’d better embrace my inner amoeba….looks like I’ll be single for a long time.
Nothing like meeting someone for the first time and hearing about ex-spouse and ex-partner – all of eight days ex….
Oh, yeah – and the dissociative disorder. What’s a dissociative disorder? Well, outside of soap opera plots, they’re quite uncommon. But just in case you encounter one, dissociative disorders are the group of severe psychiatric disorders which include multiple personality disorder (when people have more than one “self” – what lay people think of as “split personality”), fugue states (where people can travel without memory of their actions or behavior), and other severe conditions.
My date seems like a nice person and a devoted mom – but the long dissociative episode she exhibited while we were dining – the long episode in which she was staring into infinite space, with an unstoppable flow of recollection of episodes of physical, emotional, and sexual abuse – that long episode felt like I was sitting with a patient, not a potential partner.
After the meal, my date very tearfully revealed her anguish from severe herpes – the recent short-term relationship had left her with her first outbreak.
With one third of women and roughly one quarter of men being survivors of sexual abuse, my date wasn’t the first person I’ve dated who later revealed a history of dissociative events….
but she was the first to bring it up on the first date.
I’ve fallen in love (and stayed in love) with a lovely person with dissociative symptoms from childhood sexual abuse. I wish we were still together (not because of her suffering, but because of the person she is).
Having said that, we had several dates (and lots of face time in the hospital where we both worked) before any symptoms came out.
My take home lessons:
(1) Hmm – most of my relationships started in huge academic medical centers. We’d get to know each other on the floors and then decide to know each other better.
I currently work in a tiny community clinic. Unless I change my dating habits or workplace, I’ll be single forever.
(2) Remember all the agony aunts’ (advice columnists’) hand-wringing over how many dates to have before the first kiss? (or cuddle or….)
How many dates should optimally pass before the first episode of overt dissociation?
Jeebus, amoeba have it easy…..
Did this, from the LATimes about Bay Area “invaders” in Pombo’s and Doolittle’s districts, get posted here earlier and I missed it?
http://www.latimes.com/news/lo…..-headlines
In four years, I can count on my two hands the number of days when this relationship felt like work. Yay, us!
Um, have fun, honey. No relationship, gay or straight, is like that in the long run.
In the long run, working at it keeps people together. Not working at it ends up in a selfish turn away by someone, eventually. And that’s as good an argument for gay marriage as I can imagine! Social stability comes with commitment (yes, darlings, the Constitution is a suicide pact, and that’s why we trust it).
If you love him/her, then you commit to it even when there are times that it’s going through the motions. And honestly, that’s what real love is.
(signed, a very straight married male who considers the alternatives, unless they involve seeing Titanic)
Pachacutec @ 9
Pach, there was only one book there that I don’t already own…through the FDL link, of course.
kirk murphy- how do you feel about older women? (just kidding- but I am a big admirer of yours)
TheOtherWA @
12
That’s the version I have and I have buttons.
OT: I’m sorry, but Bill Clinton is a fucker and a serious problem. Nice of him to rehabilitate the Republican brand in the wake of all these scandals, just before an election:
He’s fucked over Ned Lamont behind the scenes and has been AWOL with real support, and it could cost Lamont the “low information” Dems he needs to close out the election.
The Clintons and the consultant machinery of the party are one and the same, and they are not progressive.
TeddySanFran @ 28
ohhhh, I love it! “There is a concerted effort to nationalize the elections,”
complainedwhined Doolittle, interviewed after the Bush fundraiser at the Serrano Country Club in suburban Sacramento. “You’ve got a lot of them being bused in here from the Bay Area — left-wing, antiwar activists.”The Republicans like their gays in the closet. Remember the book, “What Liberal Media?”
Written by the Republican A-lister til he could no longer do the dissociation (speaking of which. . .)
Yep, I’d kinda say my worst date ever turned into years of stalking by the dissociater I made the mistake of “seeing.” Shoulda’ known better.
It really is a whole different life-style, world-view, entire way-of-existence thing to be a Republican. Not to mention the self-satisfied nerdy factor.
I learned that when my friends and I first began mentioning politics and our affiliation sometime back in the late 90’s. Turned out that all but a handful of friends were Dems. Clearly we had self-selected for reasons other than politics, but those same fundamental principles and interests guided our political views.
My own new motto–don’t cultivate the friendship of a Republican. There’s nothing there that I want. (And yes, I know of an exception or two. But they really are exceptions, not to mention being exceptional people).
Date a Republican? Shudder
I have an embarassing relationship story.
Every woman I ever got close to burst into flames.
Pachacutec @ 33
Pach,
You nailed it, amigo. They will not forgive us for pumping up the base in a way they find hard to control.
Worst Date ever? Naw, don’t want to get into that. But when I get back from dinner I might be tempted to tell you about the 42 year old Bi-polar woman I dated when I first came out, at 19.
Hint: Her name was “Beautiful Rainbow Spirit”, and she was very upset that I was moving from Southern California to go start at San Francisco State. Really upset…
JT @ 29
Love is a choice you make every day.
Valley Girl @
31
Well, the neuroprotective effects of estrogen mean they’ll be able to find things when i can’t remember where I left them…
like – well – cat brushes….
On the other hand, I’m in my mid-forties and a part of me would like to be a parent (if I’m not too old).
On the third hand (the amoeba grew it for me) my life is an odd combination of grown-up stuff (friends looking at life in prison on the “green scare” eco-persecutions; educating medical students) and really playful little kid stuff (laughing and playing under the stars with forest activists; peak moments amidst chaos and tear gas in Seattle and elsewhere, snuggling kitties in the sun….).
I’m probably not competent to figure out ideal age ranges – don’t seem to have found my own!
Pachacutec @ 33
Sorry Pach, but if you read Dawg’s comment again, he is right. We hate it when we are pigeonholed with generalizations; we should avoid being those guys.
Great diary about our friend Joe Wilson’s appearance tonight for terrific Democratic House candidate Darcy Burner in WA-08:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/14/235811/47
I keep getting set up with lawyers. Living in NYC there are about 4 lawyers to every single person in the city. They say they are liberals, they prove it by telling which dem. they gave money to and that they phonebanked or volunteered for Kerry. Then they talk about how they are defending banks in the Enron lawsuits or are setting up offshore tax shelters for Repugs.
The worst? Met for a play. He spent act one on his Blackberry. Act II he fell asleep and started snoring – so loud people two rows ahead were turning to look as I kept elbowing him. He woke up and said “lets get out of here.” I was grateful for the exit and stunned when he thought I was so impressed I’d sleep with him.
Dating sucks.
There was an Earth Charter Summit here in Columbus today. Diaried here.
Balrog @ 42
No, he’s campaigning against “extremists,” while saying Republicans are really nice people not to blame for everything that’s happenend under their active sponsorship. Right before an election, of all things.
You know who else he thinks is an extremist?
You.
The Clintons and the DC insiders are against the grass roots.
Pachacutec @ 33
Softail @
19
Oh, yeah.
Balrog @ 42
They (the rank-and-file Republicans) allowed themselves to be controlled, Balrog. There was no surrendering of free will…They chose power over morality, and thus must share complicity for what has occured.
As for Clinton…After what Lieberman said about him, repeatedly, and he still showed up to campaign for him – Should we expect any better?
I don’t think so, and the fact that Clinton appears to be disinterested in campaigning for the Democratic senatorial candidate from Connecticut…History will be the judge.
Oh god…I only wish I was together enough to date other men.
Pachacutec @
46
Um, me?
I have never known what they mean about work in relationships.
In the first week I knew this relationship was going to last forever, when we had already totally confused our finances.
It’s now almost 23 years and has never once felt like work.
Work feels like work. Raising two kids and paying a mortgage feels like work. But there’s too much love to make anything feel too laborious.
Now if you asked my partner, the story might change. I am definitely not the easy one to live with.
I feel sorry for my kids, 14 and 20, who have to figure all this dating stuff out. It’s so hard and scary.
BTW, this blog is so wonderful. You get to catch up with people you know a little bit while talking about the relationship of the Clintons to the progressive movement.
Too cool.
But we all knew that already.
Hillary gave a miserly 5000 bucks to Ned…….it doesn’t absolve her or the Dawg from doing NOTHING behind the scenes for Lamont. The Cintons know how important the Lamont race is, they have their fingers in everything and ears and eyes everywhere. I don’t care what the early polling shows in the primaries for Prez….Hillary is toast, burnt toast….I like Peter Daou but he is being used, Clinton KNOWS what he is doing…I wonder what this latest statement means….maybe they are afraid of a Dem takeover…..it might be better for Hillary and her run if the ReTHUGS are still in power(I know tin-foil hat time)……let’s not forget the latest stories concerning the trolls Mike McCurry and Carville!!!!!!!!
Hmn. I really was lucky in my loves.
Met my lover/hubbywhatever for the last ten years, we immediately had wild sex, and went on to commit to a long term permanent relationship in which we never had a single fight, (disagreements yes… but there’s that whole communications silliness that we insist upon having).
I was lucky. He’s a die-hard liberal who actually feels that humanity has a snowball’s chance in hell of survival and he’s helped me to curb my cynical (as in, not a snowball’s chance in hell of humanity surviving) attitudes.
Keep up the relationship and flog yourself once a decade for the near mistake you made with the poor helpless Log Cabinite.
I just noticed my mail from today has a flyer for every registered voter at my address:
New Mexico HAS HAD ENOUGH.
I have FOTFLMAO on now. Because I totally have HAD ENOUGH.
‘Nite all.
The GOP slime machine is pumping out millions per day toward districts they think they can hold. And the Democratic Party machine dithers along. I guess dithering is morally superior to sliming, but, hey, If you want the best investment in an upset in the US House race, Diane Benson is it. The national Dems have come into the state, but Diane has gotten zippola from the apparatchiks Pach is talking about on this thread.
Diane Benson, like Cindy Sheehan, is one pissed military mom on a mission. Check out Diane Benson’s website:
http://bensonforcongress.com/
If you like Benson, send her five bucks or whatever. You can also donate to Diane Benson here and boost the bragging rights of egregious, one of the lead dogs on the fdl team:
http://www.actblue.com/page/egregious
Balrog @
51
This is another generalization that supports my point.
Worst date ever? It had nothing to do with politics. He seemed like a nice guy when I met him, maybe just a tad too interested in being thrifty but there are much worse attributes in a date right? Oh no, most definitely not right at all. He picked me up on time (big plus), was nicely dressed in a scruffy kind of way (small plus), didn’t smell bad (major plus) and was taking me to his favourite bar (neutral – nice that he wanted me to meet his friends, bad that I would be on his turf). OK, so I couldn’t help myself. I counted as we drove. He managed to point out an average of 9 bargains to the mile. “You can get a good meal at that soup kitchen and it’s only 20 cents!” By mile 2 my teeth were grinding. Mile 2.5, I burst, nicely suggesting that it would be a lovely idea if he were to just STFU about money. Somewhat offended he countered that, were if not for his thrifty habits, we might not be about to enjoy a scintillating night of beer consumption at his favourite bar where it was apparently “Half Price Friday”. I jumped when we stopped at the next intersection, raced across the road to the bus which had just pulled in and, by a miracle was headed in my direction. An hour after we’d left I was back at home, in my favourite PJs, eating ice cream and giggling like a loon at the whole situation. I never saw him again, though I half-expected to find a bill from him in my mailbox. (Puts me in mind of that Ben Folds breakup song “Give me my money back (you bitch!)”)
Moral of the story: all the pluses in the world wont counteract that gigantic, ugly minus, no matter how much you try to ignore it.
Does anybody know how moveon.org decides what candidates to support?
Tonight I drove 30 miles from home to attend a home party screening of Iraq for Sale. When I got there I learned that they wanted us to do an hour of cell phone banking before watching the film. moveon had sent calling lists to the host. It turned out the district we were calling into was not ours, but Mark Foley’s (I live in the Midwest). After reading about Tim Mahoney on Howie’s thread today, I was not happy. He doesn’t sound like much of a Democrat, but I made the calls.
I just wonder about their strategy.
oo-whee! An Evening with the Dixie Chicks on the PBS station tonight… they are blowing me away! hair standing on ends, socks rolling up and down…
I tell ya’ – ain’t no bad date in that group!
Balrog……Here is the point….The Clintons are BAD news for the progressive movement…..plain and simple?
Worst date ever had me making out with this guy for the first time when he went to run his fingers through my hair, but on the way accidentally plowed his middle finger into my eye. The cornea got scratched and my whole eye swelled up til it was shut and then began to stream tears like a faucet.
I had to go to the emergency room, but couldn’t drive because I had no depth perception. So there we were, sitting in the ER until 2:15 in the morning with him apologizing profusely and me just wanting to clock him to make him SHUT THE FUCK UP.
There was no third date.
neurophius @ 60
neurophius,
that’s even creepier than dinodog’s #63. Phone banking scams by moveon.org. At least what they had you do was legal, right….?
Oh gee, For G rated disappointing dates. The time I finally got a date with a woman I had been interested in for a few years. We went to a concert of her choice and she cried (loud sobs)through the entire show over her ex beau. Or the time I had ring side seats for cirque du soleil, back when the show was still one ring in a tent, and my date slept through the performance.
I couldn’t make myself date a Republican with a bag over my head.
I am with Pach, yet again, on Clinton. Both Clintons have their eye on the prize ‘08. Whatever they do has that date in mind and they will coddle or choke anyone to acheive that goal. Not for the Good of our Country. Maybe we should start a list of victims and send little triangulation awards out to them as they fall to the way-side over the next two years. Was Warner the first?
TRex @ 63
At least I never had a date so bad that I ended up needing medical attention. A good therapist, yes but no MDs
“You cannot blame the entire Republican party for this reason. The entire government of the United States, the Congress, the White House and increasingly the courts for the last six years has been in the total control not of the Republican party but of the most ideological, the most right wing, the most extreme sliver of the Republican Party.’’
What is wrong with that statement?
I would suggest it is the fact that “the most ideological, the most right wing, the most extreme” segment of the Republican Party today is NOT just a “sliver;” not just an aberration that the next round of primaries will clean up; that phrase describes what has become the mainstream of the Republican Party. That IS the Republican Party. It is not by being a “sliver” that they have come to control the “entire government of the United States, the Congress, the White House and increasingly the courts for the last six years.” The greatest portion of the party itself really is that bad. A generalization? Sure, why not?
So what Clinton is doing is telling undecided voters to ignore everything that is wrong with the Republican Party, and attribute its negative aspects to only a small “sliver.” He is saying that, hey, Republicans [except for that sliver] are really good people. He is saying, “don’t vote against someone just because they are a Republican. They probably aren’t a part of the “sliver.” Don’t treat being a Republican as a red flag. They’re probably OK. Really.”
That is doing the Republican Party’s work for them.
That is unacceptable.
Then there was the guy who spent the night, and then the next morning he started trash talking my Tracy Chapman poster. His exact wording eludes me, but it was something along the lines of, "How come you’ve got that nigger dyke on your wall?"
I don’t think I’ve ever been quite so terrifying to anyone as I was for that next eight to ten minutes, which was how long it took for him to plunge his legs into his pants, dive under the bed for his shoes, and limp out the door while dodging the various domestic missiles (glass ashtray, shoes, beer bottles) that I was hurling at his head. The ashtray hit him, too. He was bleeding from a cut on his ear when the door closed behind him. Stupid fucker.
I think that may be the scariest I have ever been while not wearing any pants. Ever. My (poor, straight, completely clueless) roommate came running when he heard the shouting and breaking glass and found me standing naked in the middle of the living room, still shouting, red-faced and panting, standing in a pile of broken glass with drops of blood on the floor leading to the door.
"Should I call the police?" he said.
"I’m the goddamn motherfucking cops today. Go back to bed."
I’m so terrible at chosing people to date, that my friends sat me down and told me I could only ever go out on group dates. Me, the date, and at least 4 of my friends. Whatever they say about the person goes.
Like 2 stalkers, a violently jealous guy, and an alcoholic show a pattern of bad decisions…
scary little theropod
Ed*ard Teller @ 64
E. Teller–I don’t know any reason it would be illegal. We weren’t claiming to be in Florida, and in fact if anyone had asked, I would have told them I was making the calls because I believe George Bush and his rubberstamp Republican Congress are destroying our country, and every vote by a House member for new leadership in Congress is important to me. We even said we were calling for moveon. I just would have really been calling for one of Howie Klein’s candidates, for instance, or for my own. I understand Mahoney switched parties to run for Foley’s seat. How do we know we can trust him to vote with the Democratic caucus?
TeddySanFran @ 70
I forgot to mention that I had been up for two days on drugs, didn’t I?
TRex @ 72
just a minor detail, i’m sure…
My partner keeps thinking about date stories but he won’t post them. Lame, eh?
Pach, should we issue a double dog dare?
neurophius,
Interesting. I guess we’ve got to fight with whatever tools are put in our hands.
just a minor detail, i’m sure…
It was 1992, a year in which the street value of the contents of my bloodstream only rarely fell below the hundred-dollar line. Not a happy time for TRexes.
Actually, he and I have a lot more trick stories than date stories.
I could tell you about the crazy puerto rican guy I dated for a short time who called me to blame me for the crabs he found that he actually got from someone before we met, but the details on that one are a bit too. . . graphic.
Correction:
I just would have really rather been calling for one of Howie Klein’s candidates…
My worst date ever was with a little rich girl looking for excitement on the wrong side of the tracks. By the time that we finished the meal that cost me most of a weeks pay, I was truly annoyed. I’m afraid that that I was quite petty in my reaction. I “developed” a problem with my car and took her home on my bike. Forty miles on the freeway in mid-november.
Helpless Dancer @ 80
Hah! You funny.
ah, 1992…. good times!
ET, did you get the message about Howie upthread ?
Suzanne @ 73
nonetheless, good to hear of a gay man standing up for a sister…
met Tracy Chapman once (many zillions of years ago) in a women’s bar in MA and was far too shy to do more than mumble, “hello”… gorgeous!
Goodnight, folks.
OT: We had a screening of Iraq for Sale with out Alexandria Drinking Liberally tonight, and Robert Greenwald was good enough to talk with us about it on a conference call afterward.
If you have not done it, I highly highly highly recommend getting the DVD and hosting a screening.
‘night, Pach – thanks…
sleep well, Pach – happy anniversary!
Night, Pach! Throw a virgin in the volcano for us!
worst date ever- an ER physician, at dinner, on the cel phone, asking if “she had any formed stools” in a very nice restaurant
Coffee Only from now on
Sheldon Whitehouse- looking good!
Yup, learned at 19 not to be talked out of coffee or lunch first. He insisted on dinner and a movie and I do believe that was my worst date. Couldn’t find a thing we had in common, he was probably 12 years older and he loved country–I didn’t even know what that was. I was appalled by his sudden, forced, and stiff kiss while in the parking garage elevator. And finally was dismayed by his choice of movie–Midnight Express which absolutely horrified me. In hindsight he was probably a rethug too. Yup, dating sucks–but dang if not enticed to keep trying by that awesome feeling when it works! Sure willing to hear those hints on making it last. My longest success only lasted 16 years.
George W. Bush and hecklers.
-GSD
Abramoff/Mehlman? via LATimes:
Getting a Grasp of His Reach
http://tinyurl.com/y8q6j4
What’s really dispiriting is when you go on a date and you work really be hard to be nice to the person, even though you don’t really like them at all. You know, just to make things go smoothly until you get safely home again. And then they brush you off in some really rude and annoying way. And you think of all the niceness you wasted on that person when you should have spent the bulk of your time together trying to set them on fire and laughing maniacally.
TRex @ 93
Absolutely, love that idea. But that is what girlfriends are for–to help purge it later.
Steve Gilliard’s analysis of why the dems lost.
Worst date: a man who recounted the agony of his family’s disappointment in him when he had an affair and got engaged—and he was a priest at the time. And then she dumped him.
LindyH @ 95
Steve is a very smart man and this is a very good analysis…
jinny @
92
and a glimpse of their Reich
for the GOP’s master – obscene wealth – laws are playthings. As are economies, communities, nations, our service men and women, and your kids, parents, and grandparents.
If you are an obstacle to maximum profit, the GOP Reich will serve their corporate masters – and try to destroy you.
And they’ll call US the radicals
while they shred the Constitution and throw us in dungeons
because a bunch of bigots in caves hated us.
Yep, four decades of “cold war” with foes who can turn us all to lumps of glass before my cat can wash behind both ears.
And – every second of every day, long after the Berlin Wall was carted off in triumph and commerce – can still turn us all to lumps of glass before my cat can wash behind both ears.
We kept – with struggle – our Constitution. We expanded our freedoms and our national community.
And now the GOP Reich tells us we have to trash our Constitution, our religious liberties, our personal freedoms…..
because the GOP Reich couldn’t beat a bunch of bigots in caves.
They want to sacrifice our freedoms and two hundred and thirty years of America on the funeral pyre of their despair and ambition.
And they call us the radicals.
I hope Mehlman and Abramoff are sentenced to be shackled together as they tour every indigenous community in the US and US territories admitting their crimes.
With the same meal and bathroom privileges they forced the Marianas workers to endure.
And I hope they have to do it in body stockings*
(*unless they like that. If we find Ken a really tight bodystocking – like a really tight squeeze in a small closet – he probably will.
Uhh – W there?)
Margot @ 96
Nothing but guilt, which was why she most likely dumped him. Celibacy has to be the worst idea that the catholic church has ever had. Suppressing natural urges leads to strange behavior.
Margot @ 96
oh.my.goddess.
compared to that, i’m grateful for my date this week….
I love the confessional aspect of blogging. I can, for instance, confess that I am gayer than a pink Christmas tree by revealing that while listening to Total Eclipse of the Heart (Nikki French version, of course) I realized that a rather humorous title for the saga of the soon to be purged GOP staffers would be “Living In A Powderkeg and Giving Off Sparks”.
On dating, I have to say that my worst date was a massage therapist who was also Republican. I thought he would be interesting. Life then, as it often tends to, so thoroughly proved me wrong.
kirk murphy @ 100
I should point out that he was working in the medical field when I met him, and I had no idea he’d ever been a priest. Total surprise. I think my dog nipped him on the ankle, too. That was one perceptive doggie.;)
THANK HEAVENS, I’ve never had to endure dating a Republican…I must be lucky in this respect.
Gay Republicans: WTF?!??!!
Worst date ever:
It’s a tie between the broad who enjoyed ‘distending’ patooties with her toys, with whom I watched GODFATHER III, and the dear soul who became my girlfriend and promptly relapsed, after we met seeing NAKED LUNCH.
I don’t see many movies, anymore….
“Give me back my black tee shirt…”
:)
A night, somewhere on Laurel Canyon Blvd above Mulholland that turned to dawn…and all I got was cab fare home.
Loser.
;>)
OldCoastie @
97
I thought so too.
Worst date ever? The one that I thought turned out good, so good in fact that we eventually married. Did I mention he was an evangelical republican who is currently happily living in utah?
Worst. Date. Ever. Only I didn’t realize it at the time.
Let me state my position clearly: there has to be a discussion on mini-nuclear devices. The great problem with the NOKO test is that they were aiming for 4 kilo tonnes and, yes, only achieved 0.55 kilo tonnes. That is bad news indeed, and no discussion. They were clearly striving for a mini-nuclear device and succeeded. Okay. Fine. Discussion is in order. Let’s make it clear, American scientists invented this stuff. Look at the research on the issue following 2001. For example, the horror in the US government intelligence community at the release of this information following 2001. I refer to postings of Steven Aftergood. American scientists invented this stuff and the American people will reap the whirlwind.
Margot @ 102
Hmm… my dear mother still harbors a hope that my occupation would somehow have a favorable impact on potential partners.
She hasn’t been in the dining room for those vignettes (well, until I was in school…..).
When my colleagues (never me ;) aren’t grossing people out, my specialty (psychiatry) tends to scare them….
Dogs like me, though.
sigh.
Time to cultivate my inner amoeba.
To boldly go where no eukaryote has been -
for at least 1.6 billion years or so….
If Senator Allen can regress from liberal West Coasty to racist faux Old Virginian, then I can turn back the clock, too.
Hello, de-evolution.
Just someone please stop me before I regress to a gooper, OK?
jinny @ 92
I guess it’s about time Mehlman will be officially outed, in a Foley-esque manner. You know, shiny things and all…
Le Jackal @ 108
looking on the bright side, “blowback” seems likely to grow the US export sector for the foreseeable future -
a future so bright, we oughta wear shades.
Le Jackal @ 108
I doubt that they were aiming for just a 4kiloton blast. With plutonium devices timing is super critical. The test was most likely a squib. If the detonators do not produce a good simultaneous squeeze, the reaction will be sub-optimal.
kirk murphy @ 109
error – please delete
*happy birthday to me*
Ah, Kirk Murphy, it’d take more than regression to turn you into a gooper. That, my friend, takes mutation.
Suzanne @ 115
Happy birthday, Suzanne! You reached 21 yet?
Boy I thought this thread would’ve devolved into “bad experiences in Republican sex” by now. That means either:
a) you guys are too classy
b) nobody wants to cop to that, or
c) TRex has gone to bed.
The point is that is – an utterly foolish hope. Want me to get really gloomy?
Happy Birthday, Suzanne!!
Jane Hamsher @ 118
I pick a). :)
Jane, I talked about marrying a republican. Does that count as Republican sex?
Persiflage, many many years ago but thank you for carding me. That hasn’t happened in a long time.
Well Jane, it’s kind of hard to have sex while holding your nose. Though, a well-equipped Republican partner would have a supply of those nose-clips that synchronised swimmers wear.
In other words, we ain’t that desperate.
Persiflage @ 116
A successful mutation requires an advantage for reproduction. On that point, I think that jury is still out.
Jane Hamsher @ 118
I have never knowingly had sex with a republican.
Thanks TRex.
Jane, I love your prose (when I’m big enough to see it) -
but isn’t this redundant?
“bad experiences in Republican sex”
amoeba formerly known as kirk
i’ll testify to that!
Suzanne @ 115
Happy, happy Suzanne!
Hope the cake is sweet… :)
[and the frosting is an optimal growth medium…]
Jane, there is an importamt distinction between I can’t and I won’t. I would if I could. I assure you I will keep trying.
Helpless Dancer @ 124
Good point Helpless Dancer. I guess, for a while there, “Hey girls, well yes, that is a gun in my pocket but the bulge in my pants is a whole batch of Congressional earmarks just for you” might have worked, just a bit.
Good night, everybody. It’s after 3:00 here. Time for all good TRexes to be in bed.
And me, too.
Le Jackal @ 119
Why get gloomy? The failed test means that they used up plutonium that could have been exported. Let’s hope they waste a bit more with more tests.
I have a theory about why Bush let little Kimmie slide all this time. It is a combination of admiration and envy. Admiration for the way he runs his country and envy because he is leading the life that Bush wants to live. After all he thinks that it would be better if he was the dictator.
Suzanne @ 122
You’re very welcome. On my 40th birthday, my husband arranged for the staff at the hotel where we had pre-dinner drinks as well as the restaurant where we had dinner, to all ask me for proof of age. I felt 16 again, what a great night. What a lovely (very liberal) husband.
Nite Rex! Night Ned TFK!
I think I had sex once with a libertarian but it was sorta hard to tell.
Nite Trex and Happy Birthday Suzanne!
Siun @ 135
Really? I thought that was only a republican affliction.
Thanks, Siun.
Helpless Dancer @ 133
I would say, on the available evidence, that Bush has no envy of Kim. Bush is living the life of a dictator, and a dictator of the biggest economy in the world. NK is just small change to Bush.
Bush is just a simpleton trying to run the world, y’know. If anything, Bush is laughing his preppie laugh at Kim, sure that Kim is just screwing up….
Aloha Folks… G’nite TRex. Just finished reading post so I haven’t read all above comments but the last fewing are hollerin’ “G’nite” at ya so I thought I’d chorus in real quick!
Suzanne … nodding, I suspect it was quite similar to repub sex …
worst date – a persistent young fellow who wanted to take me out though I was old enough to be almost his mom, who then talked about his parents all night and ordered only like 6 pieces of nigiri for the two of us for dinner … that was the end of my ever considering a date under the age of 40.
montag @ 138
He hasn’t quite achieved the status of a dictator yet and he never will. Whether he realizes it yet or not, he is just a puppet dancing to the tune of the people who control the capital.
Helpless Dancer @ 124
Persiflage @
116
Thanks Persiflage!
With Nixon creating the EPA and the decades of Republican moderates expanding it, I’ve never understood why today’s Rethugs trash the environment.
Today’s Rethugs subsidize contamination of our food and water with extremely potent toxins.
Today’s Rethugs trash the agencies and officials entrusted by Federal law to protect our food, air, and water.
And now I know why.
It’s why the Rethugs re-write laws to increase our daily helping of poisons.
For the children.
Today’s Young Repuglicans are the mutations of the mid 80’s.
No wonder goopers always have the hots for nuclear power.
amoeba fkak @ 142
So basically you are saying that they are cockroaches.
Helpless Dancer @ 141
Umm, as I said, on the evidence. I would say that someone–on his own self-described authority–who has assumed the power to spy on citizens without warrant, killed hundreds of thousands in wars of choice, imprisoned declared enemies and citizens alike without due process for indeterminate periods, authorized torture, discarded law, used the mechanisms of government to reward his cronies and thrown elections is getting pretty close to the commonly understood textbook definition…. (!)
So basically you are saying that they are cockroaches.
Cock-somethings.
Now, really, good night!
well pups … time to sleep here too …
what a day at the lake, eh?
sweet dreams all!
Iraq for Sale with out Alexandria Drinking Liberally tonight, and Robert Greenwald was good enough to talk with us about it on a conference call afterward.
If you have not done it, I highly highly highly recommend getting the DVD and hosting a screening.
GRANDDAD DELBERT @ 147
Greenwald say anything about an upcoming theatrical release?
Cheers.
montag @ 144
As long as we have the forms of democracy, he isn’t there quite yet. Little Kimmie doesn’t even bother with elections. However, trust in our electoral system is rapidly going by the wayside.
back for a second … was turning on my nightly bbc radio stream and ran across this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisda…..533131.stm
On this day in 1969: Millions march in US Vietnam Moratorium
I suspect I’m not the only one here who remembers that day well …
g’nite
GRANDDAD DELBERT @ 147
IVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH PEOPLE WHO SEEM TO NEED A PLACE TO HOST A SCREENING OF IRAQ FOR SALE. I’M DESTITUTE BY MANY STANDARDS, GETTING BY ON FIFTY DOLLARS A WEEK RETIRED, DIVORCED, CLEARING BILLS AND SWIMMING TO DAYLIGHT — BUT — THIS IMPORTANT FILM CAN BE HOSTED IN MANY CITY LIBRARIES, FOR A SMALL CROWD,IN COMFORT, SAFETY, INCOMPARABLE COMARADERIE. AND SHOWINGS REPEATED SEVERAL TIMES. ALSO AN INQUIRY OF A SENIORS’ HOME — FOR THOSE WHO CLAIM POLITICS AN INTEREST. BUT MAY NOT BE FREELY MOBILE,IT IS A INSIDERS VIEW THAT’S NEEDED AND SHOULD BE EXPLOITED THE CLOSER WE GET TO NOVEMBER 7TH — //AND ASK SOME REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE AN OPEN MIND. THERE MUST BE SOME…WE CAN TRUSS AND LOAD AND HAUL IN TO AVOID THE PARTISAN CHARGES. YA THINK /
Suzanne @ 154
Thanks Suzanne!
My reply wafted up to 152.
I’m guessing Brownian motion nudged it “up-stream”….
Disappointed I was misquoted. But then look above!
Helpless Dancer @ 133
amoeba fkak, your subfamily link returns with this:
Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name
Helpless Dancer @ 149
The forms of democracy mean absolutely nothing if they don’t work, or if they exist only for show. Remember the rubber stamps? That was to remind people in Congress of precisely that fact. And, a few months later, nearly two-thirds of the Senate and House voted to give Bush even more power. They bought off on his legislation to give him the authority to suspend the Constitution on his sole prerogative and to exclude the courts in that determination.
What is that but using the trappings of democratic government to further subvert it?
I know, there are some people who will not believe that such a dictatorial state exists so long as they’re not trapped in their homes by martial law and curfews, or have not been the victim of state-sponsored kidnapping and torture themselves. Nevertheless, we are living in a de facto dictatorial state at the moment.
That such a state is aided and abetted by a political party with a figurehead installed with cotton-wool for brains doesn’t change the reality of what has happened in the last nearly six years. Bush has been behaving dictatorially–he’s both seized that power unilaterally and has been given it by his party–using those same forms of democracy which you suggest have thus far denied him that status.
The upcoming election and the next two years may prove you right. I hope they do, and that your assessment is correct, and that I’m just an alarmist. But, I’ve always believed that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like one….
Cheers.
montag @ 155
I do hope that I am correct, but in the meantime I don’t have a lot of hope for our country. I have said this in the past and I hope it won’t be true, but thank god for the NRA. It just wouldn’t do to bring words to a gun fight.
Suzanne @
154
oops – my bad.
let’s try: Scarabaeinae
ewwwwwwww, amoeba fkak
It’s bedtime for me. See you on the flipside.
Completely OT: Freddy Fender died today.
Steve, I’ve held a fondness for his Wasted Days, Wasted Nights.
Suzanne @ 158
oh merde – now the bit of Lieberentymolgy that inspired (?) the whole matter has dropped off….
i seem to have devoured my own comment – hungry amoeba!
methinks the microbe doth protist too much
and with the zings and errors of such outrageous poor puns…
i’ve embarked on well-deserved self flagellation.
I should be across the slide and under the cover slip for bed in – oh – several hours.
G’night, fire pups. Fun to splash about in the drop of water with y’all.
amoeba fkak, it was, however, very accurate
Suzanne @ 163
thanks! i’m just not certain if he’s a dweller or a carrier.
i tried to look it up on sporeslist’s “microbial encounters”, but i was diverted
some of the listings on tonight’s “protists seeking protists” were – um – very appealing.
excuse me – I gotta split.
The long winds of the failing season blow across the lake. The jackel noses the air and dismisses it. Too contrived.
mbk{?
Seriouly.
omfg I have your attention. What?
Le Jackal @
167
is that, like, serially? ;-)
bye
Le Jackal @ 170
‘bye-serially!
Twisted Martini @
5
It couldn’t go down fast enough! Uh, the ship in the MOVIE I mean…
montag @
138
Bush needs Kim Jong Il, and Sadam, and Osama. He thinks they make him look good. Is there anyone else around, except maybe Robert Mugabe, who is “worse”?
Yer starting to make me laugh. In a Slim Pickens way!
Bush envies Kim, I think, because Fuckwad has to work harder to get to be a dictator. Not much, but some. He would like to spend as much time in Crawford as he is now spending in the White House, and vice versa.
Let me say flatly I am being misquoted on firedoglake.com.
Whatever???
fahrender @ 173
There’s something to make your stomach go flip-flop a couple of times–Robert Mugabe with nuclear weapons. In that way only, it’s a good thing he’s ruining Zimbawbe’s economy. Less chance of him getting them.
But, in the larger sense, none of those characters have or had the resources available that Bush has–and that’s what makes him so particularly dangerous, and always has.
Good Morning, Firedogs,
Light frost here in central NJ. We’ll be having another clear cool day today. Only the sugar maples and sycamores have turned colorful shades of orange and yellow, but haven’t started loosing leaves. Oaks are still green. I’m cleaning up the garden today, pulling out what’s left of the tomato and cucumber vines, and trimming back the ivy. Planting bulbs next weekend.
Time to make a big pot of coffee. Anybody stirring this early?
Good morning, nj.
No way do I have recent dating disaster stories because last night is typical of my Saturday nights: I was asleep by 8:30.
But I honestly think I was another’s worst. date. ever. In a bar, it’s rare to have a group conversation at an extra-long, tightly packed table, but there we were. He ostentatiously licks his forefinger, presses it to my shoulder and says, “Why don’t you come back to my place and let me get you out of those wet clothes?”
I lifted the fabric, frowned, and replied, “If you think that getting me wet here is what counts, I completely understand why you have an ex-wife.”
I wasn’t upset that he ducked out the back on the pretext of going to the bathroom because I had won twenty bucks betting that he would.
I met Mr. NJP while I was in grad school, working a part-time job for a public opinion and market research company. Our first date was dinner at 8:30. We talked about everything, including how we hated big weddings [we had each been in someone else’s big wedding that summer]. We laughed and ate and laughed and drank, and at 12:30, our waitress asked if we would be leaving soon, because her shift was ending.
And reader, I married him [two years later]. All of the previous dates have faded [well, all except that really terrible blind date with the albino when I was in college].
I am not interested in reading about someone’s awkward dating experiences straight or gay on this site especioally with 20 something gay republicans.
I understand that this is a virtual community and the late nights are often for OT and lighter subjects. But frankly I really don’t give a damn about someone’s personal dating mishaps… or even the joy of their anniversary milestones. Isn;t this stuff better left to off line personal interations?
I do recall the death of Jane’s mother and the ourpouring of support and love for Jane. This too was an example of the intersection of the personal and the public. But it seems a lot different that opening your dating life to the entire internet. Why?
Whilst I believe that everyone has the right to the lifestyle they choose, these sorts of “discussions”, to me, do nothing to further the rights of people with alt lifestyles who may suffer discrimination. Who really benefits from knowing about our first date?
What is the value of these sorts of personal memories being shared with a “political” based web site community? Really… what’s the deal here?
Mornin’, Lago de Perro y Fuego!
Pach and Dixie both have fine worst date stories, but most of all I like Pach’s ending because it resonates for me as well. My wife and I have the similar hands-counting relationship (well, we’re together many years longer, so maybe the hands of two people are needed, but just barely).
It ain’t work when you are with the right person.
But what is work is turning out the vote.
Not persuading people that the Republicans have thoroughly f*cked up the country. I think they are getting that. But getting the right people to the polls.
Back in my Republican years (they were 38 years ago, so don’t worry) I sat in a campaign headquarters across the street from a poll location in New Haven, Connecticut, and watched in envy as the Democrats and unions drove car after car to the polling station with old people, handicapped people, people who didn’t have transportation. Those Democrats really know how to get out the vote, I said to my colleague.
Now the worm has turned. The R’s got it down pat, and the D’s are playing catchup.
Read this article Associated Press from yesterday, Dems Facing Proven GOP Turnout Machine , and start out depressed.
But by the time you get to the end, you’ll start believing we have hope this year. Then get out and make it happen. Get Out The Vote.
DJ,
I think Pach’s point was that each of discovers what are our personal core issues and values by how we interact with people who don’t share those values.
For me, that moment came on the job rather than through dating. I was asked by the director of a small nonprofit to discriminate against someone I was considering for part-time employment, on the basis of race and disability. I said I wouldn’t do it, and went to a board member of the nonprofit. The board member told the director, who then fired me. Now I won’t work any place that doesn’t have my values.
Good morning to those of you just waking up. We’re having a warm, sunny afternoon here in Munich.
But it’s especially beautiful because…. I received my overseas ballot! Yeah!
Prior to 2004, I had no trouble, but I didn’t receive one the last two elections and I was starting to feel like I’d never be able to exercise my right to vote again.
So I’m very, very excited!
Good Morning, and a shout out of love and support for Tommy Yum and his family. Go Esten! Love, OS
Pf
I spent a wonderful 10 days with a friend in Munich when I was in grad school. It’s a lovely place. She lived out in one of the suburbs, and we would go into town on the S-bahn or by bike [great bike lanes, with their own traffic signals!].
How strong is the anti-American sentiment in Germany these days?
NJP, glad you enjoyed Munich! The answer to your question is a bit complicated, I think, and I need to think for a minute or two so that I’m not too wordy! I’ll get right back to you.
OS, if you’re still here, were you and others able to organize some help for Tommy Yum and Esten? I remember at least one comment about marrow donation.
NJP, I’m having a hard time answering, because it really is a matter of personal perceptions and experiences.
I think I should compare how it appears to me today, with how it felt when I arrived here 8 years ago.
Back then, the only “visible” anti-Americanism was of the sort that made fun of Americans thinking they could do everything better or joking that Americans had no culture or were loud or fat….
It was benign and I didn’t feel self-conscious being American.
Then came Bush and the Iraq war and torture….
Now the expressions of disgust that one hears are not so benign and, if I introduce myself to someone, I always wonder what they are thinking as they find out I’m American! I’ve become very self-conscious.
But I personally have never ever had anyone treat me rudely because I was American.
Actually, NJ, I didn’t hear anything about marrow donation, but I think that conventional chemo is pretty successful for this condition. I am not here at the Lake as much as previously, but Imm and I exchanged emails and talked about books for Esten. I suggested that books to the Children’s Cancer Unit might be nice, but Tommy did say in his comment that a donation to Leukemia Research is the best solution in this case. Selfishly, I lack time to organize anything just now, especially given the complexity of our community here, but if Tommy cares to let us know where Esten will be treated, I will gladly send along some books as well.
LT. CMDR. Swift on the Hamdan case, right now on C-SPan’s Washington Journal.
Terrific writing, very funny and charming.
As usual, late to the party. Here’s my gay republican date horror story. I met a guy through an on-line dating service as well, who was a low-level operative in the Republican mayor’s administration (this was in my NYC days).
After several really bad dates I had learned the “coffee only” rule already, so we met at my favorite neighborhood coffee shop. After placing our order my “date” decided to take issue with the attitude of the counter person and started into a racist diatribe “You people think…” I was so horrified I was frozen to the spot.
Until he decided to try to jump over the counter at the woman, at which point I existed post-haste. Turned out her boyfriend was sitting over at the nearest table and a melee ensued.
As the other patrons whipped out their cell phones to either call for the police or share this horror with their friends and loved ones I sat in the pizza joint on the corner ruing the loss of my favorite coffee hangout forever. I never did have the nerve to go back in there.
DefJef: This is one way to BUILD community — by sharing common experiences and laughing together at our lessons learned. Not every damn post has to be about empowering. Sounds to me like this embarrasses you and you fear negative reactions from homophobes on the other side. Get over it.
Jane, I can’t bring myself to share the x-rated “sex with Republicans” story I have because it makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit even today, all these years later. Let’s just say that it echoes T-Rex’s crazy date and mine pulled out a switchblade and started ranting about those “crazy damned liberals that are ruining my f-ing country!” He was an ex-marine. Thankful I survived that one and I learned my lesson….
fwiw, I have never knowingly dated or had sex with a Republican…
Great story. Yeah, I dated a lesbian republican. ONCE! And only ONCE! Was a continual vibrating ball of anxiety. (no surpise, eh?).
I get the bad lesbian merit badge: OUT THEM, every single one, who helps the haters stay in office. I’ll shed no tears. Lie down with dogs, ya get up with fleas–if you’re lucky.
My worst first date was when a guy took me to the Playboy Club. Hahhaaaa, he didn’t know me too well. Public tittilation has never been my thing. He was so polite when holding the door for me, at dinner, then when we got to the club area, he bolted in first, I think so he could lead me to a love seat, probably knowing I would have gone to a table. Ah well, that was the last time I saw him.
Ok, your stories are very nice and all, but here’s my question:
Are there no other single gay liberal guys in Phoenix? I need a date here, people. Anyone? Anyone?……. Is this thing on?
[…..crickets……]
Being 59 I’m from a completely different gay era, Pach.
Never dated. Just had lots of sex.
So… in the three hours that have elapsed since my previous post, where I lamented the lack of single gay liberal guys in Phoenix, a phenomenon so obvious that it makes me laugh to reduce it to words— in the intervening three hours, I went on a coffee date.
Yes, my craigslist ad asked for no closet cases, and yes it asked for no conservatives, so who do I get?
A closeted Republican builder here, who was also not entirely honest about his age, although that was more of a sin of omission. Do Republicans think that NOBODY will ever ask them questions?
Honestly, I just sat and listened to a guy who’s working to re-elect Jon Kyl. Actively.
Ew.
Ed*ard Teller @ 64
I hosted one of these parties. It’s not a scam at all–the parties were very clearly advertised as people phoning for about an hour, followed by watching the movie.
I think MoveOn randomly assigns you a district that they’re targeting in their time zone unless you’re in a targeted district. I’m in Boston and we called Ohio for Sherrod Brown (senate).
Deek @
200
Zoinks!
My sympathies, man.