
Would you want to steal this car?
Eli Lake of the New York Sun sure sucked up to the right people scored quite a scoop yesterday:
A commission formed to assess the Iraq war and recommend a new course has ruled out the prospect of victory for America, according to draft policy options shared with The New York Sun by commission officials.
Currently, the 10-member commission — headed by a secretary of state for President George H.W. Bush, James Baker — is considering two option papers, "Stability First" and "Redeploy and Contain," both of which rule out any prospect of making Iraq a stable democracy in the near term.
. . . Mr. Baker in recent days has subtly been sounding out this theme with interviewers. On PBS's "Charlie Rose Show," Mr. Baker was careful to say he believed the jury was still out on whether Iraq was a success or a failure. But he also hastened to distinguish between a Middle East that was "democratic" and one that was merely "representative."
"If we are able to promote representative – representative government, not necessarily democracy – in a number of nations in the Middle East and bring more freedom to the people of that part of the world, it will have been a success," he said.
What sort of representative, um, non-democracy might Baker have in mind? Consider what David Ignatius wrote in the Washington Post this morning:
As the security situation in Baghdad has deteriorated over the past month, there has been growing talk among Iraqi politicians about a "government of national salvation" — a coup, in effect — that would impose martial law throughout the country. This coup talk is probably unrealistic, but it illustrates the rising desperation among Iraqis as the country slips deeper into civil war.
The coup rumors come from several directions. U.S. officials have received reports that a prominent Sunni politician, Saleh al-Mutlak, visited Arab capitals over the summer and promoted the idea of a national salvation government, suggesting, erroneously, that it would have American support. Meanwhile, top officials of the Iraqi intelligence service have discussed a plan in which Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki would step aside in favor of a five-man ruling commission that would suspend parliament, declare martial law and call back some officers of the old Iraqi army.
Frustration with Maliki's Shiite-led government is strongest among Iraq's Sunni minority, which dominated the old regime of Saddam Hussein. But as sectarian violence has increased, the disillusionment has spread to some prominent Shiite and Kurdish politicians as well. Some are said to support the juntalike commission, which would represent the country's main factions and include former interim prime minister Ayad Allawi — still seen by some Iraqis as a potential "strongman" who could pull the country back from the brink.
Ignatius has often been a mouthpiece for Allawi, so he probably knows whereof he speaks. And a report in the Dubai-based Gulf News on Thursday is an example of the rumors, saying of Allawi (the long-running second-favorite U.S. candidate for puppet dictator, after Ahmad Chalabi) that "Many believe he is the right man to control the deteriorating security situation in Iraq."
On his blog, journalist Robert Dreyfuss responded today to the Ignatius column by saying, "My sources (Iraqi ones, and not pro-Iraqi government) are telling me that a coup d'etat is a live option for Iraq. I'm hearing the same thing from U.S. sources." A week ago, Dreyfuss offered a roundup of hints that the Bushites are indeed grappling with this temptation, between barely-veiled frustration at Maliki's failure to crack down on quasi-official death squads and repeated claims that something dramatic needs to happen by early December:
According to recent reports, the United States appears to have given Maliki a deadline: two months. . . . Vice President Dick Cheney and the battered coterie of neocons might see toppling Maliki as their one last chance to salvage the U.S. enterprise in Iraq.
By the "U.S. enterprise," Dreyfuss of course means not the mission to build an Arab democracy, but installing a government more friendly to American corporations interests. Dreyfuss quotes the recent comment by Republican senator John Warner in the Washington Post:
"I assure you, in two or three months, if this thing hasn't come to fruition and if this level of violence is not under control and this government able to function, I think it's a responsibility of our government internally to determine: Is there a change of course that we should take?" Warner said. "And I wouldn't take off the table any option at this time."
Dreyfuss notes, "By 'any option,' I’m assuming Warner means withdrawal. Others, like Cheney, might see it differently."
The madness of contemplating a coup, though, is that the same Shiite religious hierarchy which swept Allawi out of power through general elections in January 2005 has feared such a coup as their nightmare scenario all along, and so would almost instantly call for a popular uprising that would put the U.S. in helicopters-on-rooftops departure mode. But that's not all. Here's what I had to say two months ago on the subject:
But can they really be fantasizing about an anti-Shiite coup? Aside from the fact that it would multiply the U.S. occupation's enemies well past the ability of our military to handle them, what would be the point?
Since nearly all of the relevant power in the country is essentially outside of government control already, or at best only paying lip service to it, staging a coup in Iraq would be like trying to steal a car that's already been stripped for parts and is sitting on wooden blocks. Or maybe like trying to hijack a flight-simulator game in an arcade.
But as we know all too well, just because it doesn't make a lick of sense doesn't mean the Bushites won't give it a try. If you need any added motivation to vote on November 7th, just think of the importance of putting a leash on these bozos before they do something even stupider in Iraq than what they've already managed so far.
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Diem!
Nice reference, Cliff. :-)
EPU’d:
Did somebody here already note that it has just come out that Curt Weldon is under FBI investigation?
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001 802.php
Well, hey, I guess they figured that the Afghanistan model of government was working so well…
fifth!
http://rasmussenreports.com/2006/State Polls/October 2006/MontanaSenate.htm
~~October 13, 2006 Democrat Jon Tester
As November 7 looms, the reelection bid of Republican U.S. Senator Conrad Burns continues to stall. State Senate President and wheat farmer Jon Tester (D) now leads 49% to 42% (see crosstabs). That’s the same seven-point margin found in the Rasmussen Reports September 20 survey. ~~
http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica#8419
~~He came out very early against the occupation of Iraq (even before Murtha) and he’s on the right side of all the important issues of the day.~~
Valley Girl @ 6
Tester 2006: Not A Batshit Insane Asshole.
I thought it was interesting that Bush in his presser stared referring to something called a “Mideast-style democracy” or somesuch. I remember thinking WTF is that all about? This post answers that question. Thanks, Swopa.
froggermarch @ 8
“Mideast-style” = “Not”?
OT: Did anyone see Governor Schweitzer of Montana on the Colbert Report? I needed the laugh, and his energy policy and ideas rock.
So when do we get to throw all these neo con bastards in jail?
Eli @ 9
Well I think the real interesting question is what kind of style-democracy the nekkid cokehead-emperor wants to see here, in the USA.
Helluva nice suit yur wearin’, shrubbie!
Diane Benson 2006! Here’s another excerpt from my article on Benson which Howie Klein wll host at his site over the weekend:
Latseen Benson, Diane’s son, entered the Army after high school, becoming a trooper in the elite 101st Airborne Division. After deployment to Iraq and Afghanistan, Latseen’s enlistment ended in late October of 2005. But the so-called stop-loss program kept him in uniform for another deployment.
In late September 2005, I listened to Diane Benson deliver the major speech at an anti-war rally in central Anchorage. In a blustery speech on a blustery fall day, she inspired the crowd immensely. Her worry about Latseen’s upcoming involuntary extension showed no more than her concern for our country itself. She was animated as she castigated the flawed policies and inept actions of the White House and Pentagon.
Weeks later, Latseen’s squad was surprised near Baghdad. He lost most of both legs and an arm to a roadside bomb.
Diane was flown by the Department of Defense to a military Hospital in Germany. This is normally done only when a casualty isn’t expected to survive. But Latseen fought hard, as usual, and miraculously survived. He was transferred stateside. Diane Benson later spent time with her son at Walter Reed Hospital. While there, she met dozens of young men who had been grievously injured. She helped Latseen and the others recover.
When she came back to Alaska, in late winter, she ran her dogsled teams, mixed them with her son’s teams. She cried a lot. When she found out the state Democratic machine was unable to present a credible candidate to challenge Don Young, Alaska’s sole delegate to the U.S. House, she focused her rage, rejoined the Democrats, and entered the primary.
downwithtyranny.blogspot.com will carry the entire article over the weekend.
You can donate to Diane Benson – she’s closing on Don Young – here:
http://www.actblue.com/page/egregious
or at Diane Benson’s web page:
http://bensonforcongress.com/
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 12
I’m gonna say… 1970s Latin America-style.
froggermarch >”… something called a “Mideast-style democracy”…”
All Orwell, all the time
“…playin with matches in a pool of gasoline…” – Swamp Mama Johnson
A long while ago, before there was the vicious imperialism of our and other nations, Afghanistan really was a democracy.
I am increasingly of the mind that both America and Pakistan would very much like to see an “empty space” there where Pakistan has more rather than less influence. The Afghan people have endured immeasurable suffering for nearly 3 decades and I fear that they will never see real justice or peace as long as America and Pakistan have power over them.
My dream is that King Zahir Shah and his entourage return to Afghanistan. He knows his people and can lead them. Under his rule, there was a DEMOCRATIC legislature.
Then America, Pakistan, Russia, and Saudi Arabia must pay reparations to the Afghan people– to begin to fix what they have broken with heartless cruelty and imperialistic thuggery.
i’ve been feeling for a while now that the current government in iraq was not going to last. the parliment accomplishes nothing (when they are actually meeting and haven’t canceled because of a walk-out or security threat) and is irrelevant to iraqis outside of the green zone. i would think that the bushies would want to continue to prop it up at all costs, since any sign that it has failed and what little support they still have for the occupation is going right out the window. but then again as has been noted, logic never seems to enter into their thinking.
http://www.stamfordadvocate.co…..-headlines
~~~ U.S. Rep. Christopher Shays was under fire yesterday after saying in a debate earlier this week that the abuse at Abu Ghraib prison was not torture but rather a “sex ring” involving National Guard troops.
Amnesty International officials and Shays’ challengers in the 4th District said it was absurd for the Republican incumbent to call the acts at the Iraqi prison anything but torture.~~~
e.c. @ 17
Also, if their do-nothing irrelevant government falls, it might give people here some… ideas.
NMS @ 19
What the.
NMS @ 19
After the coup we’ll be greeted as liberators with flowers and candy.
ET–Congrats on the spotlight at DWT. I’ll keep an eye out for it over the weekend.
NMS @ 19
I almost started it by joking about giving everyone a nice, light post to kick off the weekend…
OMIFECKINGGOD.
A COUP????
Can’t these morons do anything right? They’re actually thinking of encouraging the overthrow of the government they handpicked and put in place at the expense of nearly 3000 American lives, tens of thousands of American injuries, hundreds of thousands of lives, and BILLIONS of dollars???
For this kind of effort we should have been able to do something far more advantageous to our nation, instead of acquiring a 51st almost-state the size of Texas that we can’t govern.
Jebus. Somebody let me try it for a while, I could surely do better armed with a computer and my chefs’ knives.
OT: except it’s not, really…Going Dirty…The Art of Negative Campaigning from the Daily Show.
I wrote up a couple more parts of the recent church and state forum that took place in Columbus last week. (Posted here.) One part was Barry Lynn (from Americans United for Separation of Church and State) talking about what kinds of voter guides run afoul of the IRS code. I also wrote up the opening remarks of Marcus Owens, who is representing the church that is under investigation because a visiting priest gave an anti-war sermon right before the 2004 election.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljou…..nds_h.html
~~~Sen. Maj. Leader Bill Frist sent the following message to his VolPAC e-mail list. It combines a stout defense of Speaker Dennis Hastert, with an appeal to raise money for Hastert’s re-election campaign.
For many years now in Washington, there has been a strong, conservative quietly shepherding through the Congress President Bush’s policies. That conservative never seeks the limelight and always puts his country first. His name is Dennis Hastert.
From the beginning, Speaker Hastert has championed President Bush’s policies to fight and win the war on terror, keep taxes low and put commonsense health, energy, and education policies in place. He is also a man of strong faith.~~~
Iraq is no longer the focus, Iran is.
Cheney’s made a deal with Israel, in my opinion — Israel strikes Iran late this month, and America/NATO jump in to flatten Iran and Syria when they retaliate.
For two weeks, war fever and Diebold will rule over our electoral process, and the GOP will plausibly, will just barely retain both Houses of Congress. Just barely is 99% of the law, to this crew.
Gawd yes, it will all go to holy shit in all directions very promptly afterwards, but by then Cheney will have even stronger single party rule AND a totally cowed Democratic party — forced to spend the week before Election Day talking about “supporting our President in time of war” for fear of losing votes themselves.
Some severe cracking down may be necessary domestically, but other than that, the Administration can spend the next two years giving the CIA pink slips, giving the Old Guard the Finger, and giving Wall Street mo’ money and mo’ money than they could ever decently hope for.
Away we go, with no functioning democracy in place or in sight. This Administration will spend the next two years — and as many more as they please — reshaping the nation and the planet to serve their enduring glory, legacy and patrimony, insofar as they are capable.
May I suggest statues in every major intersection?
Fresh. Steaming. Piled about this high.
-
http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica
~~John Laesch
IL-14
Denny Hastert may have been an idealistic, albeit very conservative, legislator when he first got to Washington over 2 decades ago. If he was, he certainly isn’t any longer. A highly partisan street fighter bogged down in the minutiae of Inside-the-Beltway bullshit, Hastert has lost touch with Illinois Main Street values. ~~~
I was at the election board and I talked to the Director.
We do have the Evil Diebold Monsters. But the Director was very friendly, open and well-informed. One problem is that he Operating System is from the Evil Microsoft Empire.
I know of at least one actual “back door” to Microsoft
OS, but pirate hackers probably know several. Diebold owns the closed propretary software. I do not understand one thing he said, that the software is in escrow.
Valley Girl @ 30
Valley Girl, I got a thank you letter from Laesch today. My husband keeps bringing up the budget these days, so I economize in other areas. This is so important.
valley girl you mentioned that you are now in GA. Trex lives in Athens, I live in Roswell, how many frustrated Georgians are there on FDL?
Fitz.
I’m a true believer.
I grew up wanting to work for world peace and I now work in the former Soviet Union, speaking of completely impossible dreams.
So dreaming big works for me.
Fitz. And JUSTICE, damn it.
I know this has probably been linked before, but here’s the latest John Laesch commercial-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdXHPp1GAfw
And, thinking of Tommy Yum and family, “Had Enough” (Thanks again Tommy, all the best to you and yours)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAkEdWXwRaE
“Many believe he is the right man to control the deteriorating security situation in Iraq.”
Bastards. Why don’t they just speak the truth: Allawi’s the most ruthless guy willing to function (for now) as a puppet.
.
JPL @ 32
Don’t know! Patrick Rex certainly! Frustrating terrain here, no? But I am so glad to see Max Cleland out there kicking a**.
I don’t know how to define chutzpah, but I know it when I see it (via TPM):
The misery we have wrought in Iraq is gut-wrenching. Think of the children…I think that’s about all that’s left, slowly starving, dying of thirst, disease and war.
Cliff Varnell @ 1
They way all of this is mirroring our disaster in Vietnam is…I really can’t think of a sufficient word here.
{flabbergasted}
Valley Girl @ 34
VG,
Are any “Had Enough” video commercials being shown in TV markets or just You Tube? Anyone know?
punaise @ 37
Bullshit!
VG, The governor’s race is disappointing though. My only involvement in local politics was having eggs tossed at me while campaigning against Newt.
Boner, thinking with the wrong head again! First he tries to throw Hastert under the bus only to find their was not enough clearance, and now he tries this?
Coz- not sure- seem to remember something in an earlier post about a special Sat. Blue America vote as to who would get the funds from BlueAmerica PAC for such ads. I’ll see if I can find it.
Frank33 @ 31
Based on my own limited experience, this usually refers to the source code being held in escrow, so that in the event that the software vendor folds, the software users can get the source code and maintain the software for themselves.
Oilfieldguy @ 38
Same thing happening in Palestine and Afghanistan and Darfur and the Congo.
babies dying everywhere, moms,
dads, grandparents, sisters, brothers, families too.
To the neocon dreamers: lots of luck. Chalabi or any other potential Sunni strongman has as much chance of surviving as today’s snowfall on Bufallo has of lasting to Thanksgiving. This is the last gasp of wishful thinking.
Let me count (just a few) of the ways.
1. The United States can no longer impose its will on Iraq.
2. Sistani (not to mention the more militant Shia’s) won’t stand for a Sunni dictatorship, and have the mans to prevent it (cutting off the US supply line to Kuwait).
3. Iran won’t allow it. Obvious point.
4. The Russians won’t stand for it. They have been counted out but are back in.
That’s enough, but without too much noodling, one can come up with other reasons.
The acronym f0r today, as for several hundreds of day before today, is FUBAR.
Valley Girl @ 44
That’s for radio spots and we’ll vote on that Saturday (I guess) as to where to spend the money. I was wondering about TV? If anyone has picked it up and put it on the tube?
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Citizen Swopa:
As a Viet Nam vet who has come to understand how the corporate oligarchy and US imperialism define life on this planet, I appreciate your reporting. I have said for over 2 years that the purpose of US intervention in Iraq was either partition or the imposition of an American backed strong man. Notice that internal political chaos in the US, US economic weakness, the bankruptcy of the Federal treasury, and the new nuclear arms race among many small third world states all benefit the American corporate empire. No internal political-legal structures remain to control corporate behavior and the only effective and equipped military force in the US is the taxpayer-bought mercenary army currently in training in Iraq.
Unless the Democrats take BOTH houses of congress in 3 weeks, I think we will have reached the end of history for the great American experiment and we will experience a thermador that will make “1984″ and “Brave New World” look like Utopian dreams.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN’ AMMUNITION!!!
Norske, I agree.
;(
Friends of egregious have raised nearly $2,000 this week in support of Diane Benson-D, Alaska, to defeat Don Young-R, Forced Abortions in the Mariannas. Join us!!! And the more you learn about Diane, the more you know she is our kind of woman here at fdl.
Ed*ard Teller @ 13
egregious @ 51
did that this morning, but I forgot to go through your Act-Blue site…sorry!
Cozumel @ 48
Coz- looks like you are keeping track better than I am! Sorry I can’t provide more info.
Cheer up Norske!
There’s global warming!
a coup! surely they’re on crack. you need a functioning military to have a coup. a military capable of controlling the violence. No such opportunity exists in Iraq without massive…massive external intervention.
Once the idiots in charge of the US government broke the china shop, there has always been two and only two possible outcomes:
1) massive external intervention to forcefully and ruthlessly suppress the numerous factions and groups, or;
2) let the iraqis have at it and wait for one group to slaughter the others into submission or oblivion.
both outcomes are massively violent and horrid.
The bushliar-criminal regime and cult of republicanism is the very definition of FUBAR.
.
Afghanistan, on a human scale: my hairdresser said her mother with ELEVEN children WALKED for one week to leave Afghanistan. They cried the whole way, fearing death from bombs or landmines at every step. ONE WEEK. ELEVEN CHILDREN. And we have brought to this nation…peace? Not so much. Democracy? please. A gigantic boom in opium and heroin production? SCORE!!! It pays for Bush Crime Family activities. God forgive us if we do not stop them.
angie @ 16
Hmmm…. Who reads the New York Sun? This sounds like more of the Rovian strategy to lure wealthy Jewish donors away from the Dem. Party.
And, y’know, given that the Bushies have done such a fabulous job of making the Mid. East a safer place so far, it’s quite the siren’s song…
Howie has another great post at DWT
http://downwithtyranny.blogspo…..-tell.html
~~I’ve been mentioning for a couple years that Kolbe isn’t only gay, but that he’s enamored of teenage boys. So major alarms went off last week when his office announced his “heroic” involvement in the Foley page scandal. It was clear to me immediately that having someone with Kolbe’s reputation for forcing his attentions on young men as involved with dozens of teenage male pages was a bad thing.~~~
Valley Girl @ 53
It seems to me to be the perfect confluence, video and music. Hello? MTV? Check out the John Hall “Had Enough” video at C&L. Nice! ; )
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
email from Howie:
Tomorrow at 2PM (est) we’re going to have a “townhall meeting” at FDL and pick a district
In response to: Seem to remember a recent comment about there being a vote as to where the PAC funds would go, but I can’t find it.
punaise says:
did that this morning, but I forgot to go through your Act-Blue site…sorry
punaise, as an actual Christian, in contrast to…never mind…I am required to forgive you! And I do so cheerfully!
Any and all support for Diane Benson to take out Don Young, who was IN CHARGE of the committee “overseeing” the Mariannas, slavery, forced abortions, etc ad nauseum, all such support is on the side of the angels. Hope fdl will add Benson to our list of good people to support.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-334947
Okay- now I found the comment!
~~~Jacqrat says: October 13th, 2006 at 4:45 pm *
Not to bust into Jane’s thread but everybody be sure to show up for tomorrow’s FDL Townhall meeting during Blue America to vote for their favorite Congressional District to win broadcast money from the Blue America PAC!
Howie and Tommy Yum and team have worked their collective asses off and it is almost time to pull the trigger! WOOOOO-F’in Hoooo.~~~
Re: townhall- I’m makin’ a list and checkin’ it twice- BUT- I know already what my vote will be!
Renee in Ohio @ 26:
Thanks for your posts on that event. It’s interesting reading about it. (Yeah, some of the more conservative churcehes are way over the line on politics. They don’t see it that way, though, and I don’t see any way, other than pulling their tax exemptions, to get them to recognize that boundary. Good luck getting that done while the GOP has power.)
Swopa – very interesting post- thank you! I received notes from a few sources including our friend MFI about a very disturbing recent vote in the Iraqi Parliament – the info on this is here: http://gorillasguides.blogspot…..start.html with a link to a post by Badger – and Badger links in a comment to this AP story: The gist is that forces in the Iraqi Parliament pulled off a very questionable, shall we say fraudulent vote *for* "Federalism" which would mean the Kurds and Shia establish separate regional governments, controlling oil wealth, and leaving Sunnis out of the game. It’s feared that this "vote" will set off even more horrors in Iraq – this story is seen by Iraqis as very important. Not sure where it fits withing a coup scenario but things are getting worse (tho I can’t imagine how they could)
(edited to add correct link for AP)
Valley Girl @ 63
Psst, what is it? I won’t tell anyone LOL
On Had Enough videos … here’s the deal:
Multiple versions are circulating and being used by candidates.
Tomorrow Howie’s Blue America will be a discussion and vote to select a district from our list where we will use part of the PAC funds to buy radio spots.
Jacqrat is our media buy guru and has been researching good places to run these radio campaigns.
Some additional districts will get radio campaigns thanks to some specific and quite large donations targeting specific districts.
No one, that I know of, is using the video on TV but Jacqrat and I have been sending press releases, etc to local media in target districts to try and get some pickup by reporters, radio and tv stations. Jacqrat has already had some neat successes on this score.
I think that sums up our current status and I can’t wait for Howie’s Blue America tomorrow.
Cozumel @ 66
I’ll give you a hint- and I guess I’m further than 75 ft. from the polling booths- I want to see Hastert’s ass kicked out of the House. So, that would be er, um, a John Laesch IL-14 victory in November. All of the candidates from BlueAmerica are great, but that particular victory would be sooooo sweet.
What is up with the bad vibes here tonight?
All of these gloom and doom, now or never, Rovian martial law conspiracy posts remind me of what the current admin is trying to do. Scare people.
Put away the Benzos and booze, people. There’s work left to do.
Democracy Schmocracy…Sheesh. Why goof
around? Give Saddam his palace back and let
him go at it again. Heck in a years time he
would have the “troublemakers” either under
control or simply “not around to be found”.
Americans would be wise to figure out that
the American Government prefers dealing with
“strongman” regimes. All that talk and propa
about democracy seeding just so much steaming
fecal matter. Just looking at who we are in
cahoots with in ex-Soviet Union Central Asian
countries illustrates that well enough.
You deal with one guy,no bothersome or often
meddlesome “opposition to contend with. Money
and military bribery is easy. And it is so much
more predictable as to likely outcomes.
Marcos,Suharto, Shah of Iran past examples.
Egypt and Pakistan two current examples of
strongman arrangements in force.
Its always about American expansive capitalism
and corporatism. Money power and
the ever present need for more control and
more wealth power.
China again a good illustration of money
and wealth power trumping how the country is
run. Who cares as long as the wealth is there
to be picked off?
Americans should wise up over the fact that
invading Iraq was about the oil and still is.
Maliki a convenient puppet but if decision is
make he is useless…bye-bye Maliki.
Bush2WH displays little regard for “democracy
in USA” often enough. Iraq is just a oil
patch Americans want control over. So whatever it
takes or whoever it takes will be tried.
The American MSM lead organs never put it
that way. Easier to babble on about meaningless
“American Solutions”.
The American Way is indeed as Chavez pointed
out just recently “the devil” and the hell we
see in Iraq today is a direct result of greed,
ethical void and desire for unbounded control.
G.W.Bush is a liar. The Bush2WH a nest of
liars. American “interests” repeated “Big Lie”.
Siun @ 67
Siun- looks like I spoke out of turn in offering my “pre” vote, in light of what you said. I didn’t realize all of the permutations. Sorry!!!!!
Cozumel @ 40
Carol Voisin in Oregon is showing it on TV and so is Mike McGraw in Georgia. I think Stacey Tallitsch is in Louisiana too, but he can’t coordinate with any campaigns so I’m not 100% sure. Tomorrow at 2 PM (EST) we’ll go into all the races and talk about what’s up with the radio and TV spots.
punaise & egregious,
one of the most difficult aspects of trying to close on Don Young, a congressman who has been in office 34 years and can outspend you 20 to 1, is that travel in Alaska is expensive. It costs the same to go from Anchorage to Barrow, Alaska and back as it does to go to Hong Kong or London and back. Diane Benson has travelled all over the state. She’s ahead in the Bush and Southeast Alaska. Kodiak, Prince William Sound, she’s real close. Fairbanks is in flux. It usually goes handily to Young, but there’s a revolt against the crowd in DC going on there right now for several reasons.
We’re trying to get Max Cleland up here the week after next, which will bring a lot of attention to Diane Benson’s campaign in Anchorage. But at this point we’ll have to cut back on the few radio ads the campaign wants to start running then to afford Cleland’s expenses. So we need a LOT of help, doggies! This doggie is begging!
http://www.actblue.com/page/egregious
http://bensonforcongress.com/
every little bit helps, gang………
Some well-informed former defense people think this whole Jimmy Baker Iraq Hail Mary Group is
a) a smokescreen to look good before the elections to moderate Republicans;
b) irrelevant because the neocons are going to keep running with Plan A anyway.
The cool thing, if you’re a neo-con, is that Iraq is about to partition itself! Look, ma, no hands! Then the neo-cons can claim it was their idea.
The Pentagon has circulated maps that show a partitioned Turkey, provoking a diplomatic incident at a military briefing in Rome. They’re running with the idea that “ethnic cleansing works.” (I’m not kidding: see Blood Borders, Armed Forces Journal, June 2006.)
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Balrog:
I ain’t had Benzos er booze fer over 20 years but I HAVE been workin my ass off poundin the sidewalk fer my local Dems and goin’ broke by inches givin’ money we can’t afford to candidates that may or may not get their votes counted.
The “doom and gloom” is REALITY, son…but don’t take too much at one time or yer head’ll explode.
KEEP THE FAITH BUT BE READY TA TAKE THE GLOVES OFF!!!
We mustn’t let ourselves be afraid — except maybe for some good ghost stories on Halloween.
When I start to get scared about what the antidemocratic tyrannical bastards are capable of, I think of what it must have been like for my ancestors during the Revolution — one of whom was captured by the British and held on a prison ship off the coast of Long Island.
He suffered malnutrition and nasty frostbite — it seems they didn’t exactly HEAT those filthy, disease- and rat-ridden prison ships in those days, and he suffered through a very long winter indeed, watching some of his comrades die.
After being released in a prisoner exchange, my great-great-great-grandfather went back home briefly — and then signed up again with another regiment and threw himself back into the battle.
Until I’ve faced worse than that, I certainly won’t think of giving up.
What about you?
ah Howie – Thank you for clearing it all up!
End of a very very long day here … need sleep!
Howie Klein @ 72
Excellent! Have you had enough, of the hypocrisy? Perfect timing ; )
It’s all happening.
1,303 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Marclord:
You have discovered the insidious brilliance of the chaos strategy of the corporate anarchists. It doesn’t matter how bad it gets…the more chaos and instability the more profit and power to the oligarchy. The only thing that can stop ‘em is a well organized, mass movement and the spiraling chaos makes that less and less possible.
KEEP THE FAITH AND TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER ‘CUZ IT’S GUNNA GET A LOT WORSE!!
NorskeFlamethrower @
75
Actually I was referring to several posts other than yours. I know you’re a fighting Viking. I don’t agree with your opinion that if we don’t win in November we’re doomed to a frozen waste land, but believe you mean it inspirationally. See, I’m a Balrog. My theme song is:
AC-CENT-TCHU-ATE THE POSITIVE (Mister In-Between)
(Johnny Mercer / Harold Arlen)
You’ve got to accentuate the positive
Eliminate the negative
Latch on to the affirmative
Don’t mess with Mister In-Between
You’ve got to spread joy up to the maximum
Bring gloom down to the minimum
Have faith or pandemonium
Liable to walk upon the scene
(To illustrate his last remark
Jonah in the whale, Noah in the ark
What did they do
Just when everything looked so dark)
Man, they said we better
Accentuate the positive
Eliminate the negative
Latch on to the affirmative
Don’t mess with Mister In-Between
No, do not mess with Mister In-Between
Do you hear me, hmm?
(Oh, listen to me children and-a you will hear
About the elininatin’ of the negative
And the accent on the positive)
And gather ’round me children if you’re willin’
And sit tight while I start reviewin’
The attitude of doin’ right
(You’ve gotta accentuate the positive
Eliminate the negative
Latch on to the affirmative
Don’t mess with Mister In-Between)
You’ve got to spread joy (up to the maximum)
Bring gloom (down) down to the minimum
Otherwise (otherwise) pandemonium
Liable to walk upon the scene
To illustrate (well illustrate) my last remark (you got the floor)
Jonah in the whale, Noah in the ark
What did they say (what did they say)
Say when everything looked so dark
Man, they said we better
Accentuate the positive
Eliminate the negative
Latch on to the affirmative
Don’t mess with Mister In-Between
No! Don’t mess with Mister In-Between
1,303 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Mrs. K8:
Bless you dear, yours is one a the only voices that ken sooth this troubled heart tanight…but I’m afraid that we can’t count on havin enough of the “right stuff” like those “giants in the earth” had…I’m afraid that we have despoiled the resources and given away the treasures of history that those folks willed to us.
We’re gunna hafta fight some pretty fierce beasts that those ancestors of ours tried ta keep buried under the mountain…and I don’t know if our generation has enough left ta protect the kids, we surely ain’t done a good job up ta now.
KEEP THE FAITH AND TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER!!
NorskeFlamethrower:
Traders love volatility if they can trade both buy and sell sides at the same time. Especially when they can put the fix in.
Mrs. K8 @
76
One of our family stories is that back in the 1800’s in Germany, as things started to get dicey (what with wars and such breaking out), my great-great-etc took to putting his boys on the boat to America to live with their Uncle, prior to their reaching draft age. There wasn’t enough money to send the whole family at once, so they went one or two at a time. Daughters were sent along as they reached the same age, too. Finally, when the last kid was reaching the magic number, dad, mom, and the little one all went at the end.
We do what we need to do, and we fight our battles in whatever ways possible.
I’m really looking forward to November 8th.
The bloody invasion of Iraq may one day be studied by students at Harvard Business School as a textbook example of weak executive problems. Actually- there were plans drawn up for after the war- they were drawn up by State- and no one else ever saw em. The executive himself apparently never bothered to ask about such plans. He was too busy out talkin out his asshole about how delightful the whole invasion was gonna be.
With a weak executive- the subordinates go bonkers- they assume power that has never been given to them- and in the end- NO ONE is accountable. The weak executive himself doesn’t even know HOW to hold anyone accountable- doesn’t know how to ESTABLISH accountability or how to check for it.
Accountability has to begin at the beginning- or it doesn’t ever exist.
This fucker is the weakest minded manager ever to grace a boardroom- let alone the White House.
I’ve brought the laptop down by the lake where I’ve started a fire in the firepit. I’m brushing my dog out, watching the Burns-Tester debate on C-SPAN via realaudio. What a world we live in. Just got past the point where Burns tried to defend the Patriot Act and the audience erupted in hearty laughter. He’s toast.
And I’m cold! We’ll have our first big frost tonight and I’ve got carrots and beets in the ground. Whistling swans and Trumpeter swans are circling the lake now, seeing if this is where they will spend the night…..
1,303 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
rwcole:
Yes siree, Caligubush is one weak mother but the folks around ‘im who pull his strings and push ‘is buttons are NOT weak…they are amoral sociopathic anarchists who are empowered and protected by the families of wealth who profit from the grand illusion of our economic system.
KEEP THE FAITH, THIS IS THE BEST OF TIMES, THIS IS THE WORST OF TIMES…
An interesting column from Australian cartoonist and commentator, Michael Leunig
http://www.theage.com.au/news/…..57830.html
My favourite bits – the opening sentence.
“The time has come to be honest with ourselves and stop pretending we live in nicey-nicey, happy-clappy land.”
and this, about conscription in the Vietnam era
“it became evident that young men from wealthy, influential backgrounds had developed methods of ducking and weaving to avoid conscription via the miracle of deferments and overseas jaunts. You couldn’t blame them, except that some of these cunning gentlemen later became politicians, academics and media commentators in favour of violent military solutions to humanitarian problems. In America such low-character men are called chicken-hawks – and in Australia they are simply known as “arseholes”.
worth reading:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/co…..oct/13/y3k
Stirling Newberry and what’s going on
ET- you must be watching a C-SPAN archive! FL debate on now…. setting politics aside, your surroundings sound idyllic.
Valley Girl @
90
they are, but Conrad Burns is telling me that if he’s not re-elected there will be meth labs on both sides of my house.
Ed*ard Teller @ 91
On the positive side, when those meth labs explode into flames, you’ll save on your heating bills.
We do what we need to do, and we fight our battles in whatever ways possible.
Yes, Peterr, that’s it, really. During the Revolution there were many who were not, and couldn’t be, on the battlefield. But there were many who each did their bit — there were boycotts of all things British, passive/aggressive resistance against the imperial regime in ways large and small, the housing and binding up of wounds of the battlefield heros (many of whom fought as “guerrilas” and “insurgents”), the passing of messages.
Many unsung heroes did their part. There is a role for everyone who truly loves their country and their sacred (but betrayed) Constitution.
Norske –
I’m afraid that we can’t count on havin enough of the “right stuff” like those “giants in the earth” had
WE MUST BE THOSE GIANTS.
And paradoxically, some of us can still be giants in very small ways. Every bit counts, whatever each one is capable of. More and more people are coming to their senses and realizing just how dangerous the times really are.
Don’t give up! And pass that ammunition, please! :-)
ET—thought you’d like to know that egregious’ page for Diane just went over $2k.
ET and all, just a reminder as to how much Howie has been ahead of the curve- a post from pre-primary- Tester v. Morrison
http://downwithtyranny.blogspo…..inary.html
~~~Now, can he win? The DLC has been running around trumpeting the inevitability of their puppet Morrison because he’s been scooping up lots of cash from wealthy, often out-of-state, donors, while Tester’s strategy has been to fund-raise from average voters inside the state. In the last month, Tester has overtaken Morrison in fundraising, a result of more people in the state getting to know him and also of Morrison’s ethics problems. The momentum is clearly with Tester now and he very much looks like a winner. Polls show either Democrat beating Burns, who is so mired in corruption that people wonder what the chances of his indictment before November are, but at this point the latest polls show Tester surging and Morrison basically holding steady. ~~~
(just a good reminder as to what the DLC is all about)
why does no one question that Bush needs Baker to ride in, reassure the white male Republicans that Daddy will fix it, and possibly recommend a plan which will remain secret until later? Does anyone remember Bill Clinton having to have Daddy’s consigliere ride in on a white horse to calm the waters right before an election?
Strong man govt in Iraq that provides stability at best and god knows what at worst? oh no we never seen that before…..
Persiflage @
92
Yeah, RBG, there can be problems when drugs burn:
OTTAWA (Reuters) – Canadian troops fighting Taliban militants in Afghanistan have stumbled across an unexpected and potent enemy — almost impenetrable forests of 10-feet (three metre) high marijuana plants.
General Rick Hillier, chief of the Canadian defence staff, said on Thursday that Taliban fighters were using the forests as cover. In response, the crew of at least one armored car had camouflaged their vehicle with marijuana.
“The challenge is that marijuana plants absorb energy, heat very readily. It’s very difficult to penetrate with thermal devices … and as a result you really have to be careful that the Taliban don’t dodge in and out of those marijuana forests,” he said in a speech in Ottawa.
“We tried burning them with white phosphorous — it didn’t work. We tried burning them with diesel — it didn’t work. The plants are so full of water right now … that we simply couldn’t burn them,” he said.
Even successful incineration had its drawbacks.
“A couple of brown plants on the edges of some of those (forests) did catch on fire. But a section of soldiers that was downwind from that had some ill effects and decided that was probably not the right course of action,” Hiller said dryly.
One soldier told him later: “Sir, three years ago before I joined the army, I never thought I’d say ‘That damn marijuana’.”
ET- those long italics are really hard to read. You’re too fancy for me!
punaise @ 37
Cue laugh track.
Mmmmm .. impenetrable forests of 10-feet high marijuana plants. Mmmmm. Oh, you were talking to me? Ahem, well, yes, of course I’d be prepared to organise Dopers for Peace to go over there and “clear” these terrible forests.
Mr Persi! Pack my bong, no not “that” sort of pack, I mean put in in my bag, I’m off to save Afghanistan
Ed*ard Teller @ 86
If that’s what you do before commenting at FDL, I can only hope that you don’t post comments here or here. Or here, for that matter.
Goopers now refusing to send any bags of money to Ricky “the loser” Santorum.
Tough Titty Ricky.
rwcole @ 85
And Harvard Medical School will be studying him as a textbook example of Impaired Executive Function. I would love to see a PET scan of the contents of chimpy’s skull. Whatever is left of that frontal lobe must look like hell.
Warner and Godfather Baker are tryin to reassure voters that no matter how stubborn and clueless GW Clusterfuck seems on Iraq, goopers will fix the situation after the election–it’s one of them “trust me” thingees.
“Sure this guy looks dumber than a load a undried bricks- and he IS- but don’t think that we goopers ain’t a gonna take care of ya in the end- just vote “gooper”.
Swopa @
101
I’d heard of Biting Beaver, but first visit. Kung Fu monkey is great, but I’ve never commented there. C&L is tops, but ditto.
Well…it certainly took him a while, but Trex is offering up Late Night.
What the goopers are tryin ta pull off with their dual pronged Iraq message is unbelievable.
Clusterfuck out daily sellin the “stay the course” bullshit and callin dems moral cowards for pointin out that his plan ain’t workin- on the other hand- ya got Baker and Warner out sayin that the plan ain’t workin and that they’re gonna change it. Just ta make it more interestin- Clusterfuck chimes in with “well sure if the plan ain’t workin we’d change it”.
They’re goal is to turn the american voter’s brains into the same species of cabbage that fills Clusterfuck’s cranium. “You can hear anthing ya want at Clusterfuck’s Restuarant (exceptin Alice)”
Two new Clusterfuck polls
Harris–34% JAR
Fox 40% JAR
That’s the long and the short of it.
Persiflage @ 100
Taliban Red, Taliban Red
He’ll steal your woman then he’ll rob your head…
JPL @ 32
Heart of East Cobb, baby!!!
James Baker a cut and runner?! Maybe he can race Tammy Duckworth to the finish line.
Smart Republicans realize that to have any chance in 08 the Iraq war must be a non-issue. And that means the war must be over by spring of 08 at the latest.
So who do you think is going to be pushing cut-and-run? The whole frickin’ GOP is going to demand a rapid exit. Just wait — right after the election the remaining republicans are going to become the peace party.
Because of the politically explosive topic of the Baker commission, the panel has agreed not to release its findings until after the November 7 elections.
complete contempt for the american public