Fitz

655,000 times… Deceiver.

>:-(

New poll in the Courant:

http://www.courant.com/news/po…..lines-home

48-40

Preznit Perfect Shitstorm

MayDaze @ 3

New poll in the Courant:

http://www.courant.com/news/po…..lines-home

48-40

There is still a month, the momentum seems to be shifting, and with the new Lamont ads, I think we will soon see a difference.

whoa.

WASHINGTON — When the congressional page scandal broke last month, Democrats across the country saw a chance to lambaste Republican leadership – including Diane Farrell, who called on House Speaker Dennis Hastert to step down.

But when Sen. Edward M. Kennedy came to Connecticut last week to help her campaign, Rep. Christopher Shays hit back.

“I know the speaker didn’t go over a bridge and leave a young person in the water, and then have a press conference the next day,” said Shays, R-4th District, referring to the 1969 incident in which the Massachusetts Democrat drove a car that plunged into the water and a young campaign worker died.

“Dennis Hastert didn’t kill anybody,” he added.

http://www.courant.com/news/po…..lines-home

Does anybody remember the crap about the military not being ready in the 2000 elections?

Bush and Cheney were out yelling that 2/3 of the military would have to report “Not ready for duty”

Lets throw some of that back in their faces.

The Clusterfucker in chief has now butcherd 2991 troops in Iraq. He’ll reach 3,000 within the week as he’s currently butchering nearly four per day.

Richmond @ 5

MayDaze @ 3

New poll in the Courant:

http://www.courant.com/news/po…..lines-home

48-40

There is still a month, the momentum seems to be shifting, and with the new Lamont ads, I think we will soon see a difference.

You’re right. Article gives some tips on misconceptions about Liarman and Lamont that could be targeted in ads.

Iraq deaths put at 655,000

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..NlYwM3MTY-

AND

Over 1,000,000 have fled the country (so far)

Over 300,000 “internally displaced” (so far)

Source: NBC Nightly News

Ouch Christy. Any reference to the Grateful Dead when describing GW is painful.

Loved the YouTube, though.

I thought this was illuminating, and important in understanding the Lancet/Hopkins report (italics mine):

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/

UPDATE II: Two of the overnight pro-Bush epidemiologists who are objecting to this study — Mark Coffey of Decision08 and TheRealUglyAmerican — have made appearances in the comment section to explain why this peer-reviewed study using standard scientific methods is, as Coffey pronounced, “ridiculous on the face of it.” But it is clear that they do not actually understand what the study is examining.

They (and other of the above-linked Bush followers) seem to be laboring under the misunderstanding that the 650,000 death toll is the number of Iraqis who have died violent deaths since our invasion. That is not what the study is purporting to measure. The study is comparing the mortality rate of Iraqis during the time of our occupation (including deaths by any cause, such as disease, famine, or anything else) to the mortality rate prior to the occupation, and based on the post-invasion increased mortality rate (13.1 deaths per 1,000 persons post-invasion versus the pre-war 5.5 figure), calculates that more than 650,000 Iraqis have died during the occupation than would have died during the same time frame in the absence of the invasion.

While it is true that the study claims that roughly 600,000 of the “excess deaths” are due to violence, that includes not only violence from American troops but also random crimes, government violence, and sectarian conflicts. It is unfathomable that anyone would think that they can whimsically dismiss away that figure as “ridiculous on its face” based on anything other than a desire that it not be true (or at least that it not be known).

Important for people to understand what the study measures so we can counter the inevitable mischaracterization of the numbers.

Oh, the Rose Garden Massacre will not help them.

And I cannot believe Shays went there. Where does he think he lives? Idaho?

Balrog at 11 — I thought the juxtaposition would be especially pointed. Sorry, but the dissonance on that one was deliberate.

he’s got rings on his fingers and bells on his toes

Christy Hardin Smith @ 14

Balrog at 11 — I thought the juxtaposition would be especially pointed. Sorry, but the dissonance on that one was deliberate.

I knew that.

Talk about two men on opposite sides of the Universe. Jerry had more brains in the middle finger of his right hand then ClusterFuckle.

After seein just a bit of the Clusterfuck in the Rose Garden- one has to wonder “Why did he bother?”

punaise @ 15

he’s got rings on his fingers and bells on his toes

Shoes, too. :)

Even Foxnews.com doesn’t paint the story of American troops in Iraq holding steady through 2010 as a pretty picture:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,219781,00.html

The final two paraghraphs are telling:

Last month, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East, Gen. John Abizaid, said the military would likely maintain or possibly even increase the current force levels through next spring. There are 141,000 troops in Iraq, including about 120,000 Army soldiers.

In recent months the Army has shown signs of strain, as Pentagon officials have had to extend the Iraq deployments of two brigades in order to bolster security in Baghdad and allow units heading into the country to have at least one year at home before redeploying.

They can’t even put lipstick on this big fat pig.

Hey, did anyone else get an e-mail yesterday about ‘Take the day off’ day for the election?

I filled out a form volunteering to take the day off from work. Also checked some boxes on what things I’d be willing to do to help out.

Now they’re (Dean, I think) going to contact me with chores to do on election day.

I may end up having to hose out the ‘Stables of Elephantia’, but every little bit helps.

I’ll update when I hear back.

2010?!!!

How many Friedmans are we up to now?

Totally fucking delusional. And of course, homicidally dishonest.

Hastert duped by evangelist.

MayDaze @ 3

New poll in the Courant:

http://www.courant.com/news/po…..lines-home

48-40

I don’t trust any poll until I see information about the proportional representation of party affiliations in the sample vs. the population.

On the gas price issue, I almost logged back on last night because there was a 16 cent difference in pricing between one station and two others I passed on the way home. Figured the higher one got the call first.

angie @ 6

whoa.

WASHINGTON — When the congressional page scandal broke last month, Democrats across the country saw a chance to lambaste Republican leadership – including Diane Farrell, who called on House Speaker Dennis Hastert to step down. But when Sen. Edward M. Kennedy came to Connecticut last week to help her campaign, Rep. Christopher Shays hit back. "I know the speaker didn’t go over a bridge and leave a young person in the water, and then have a press conference the next day," said Shays, R-4th District, referring to the 1969 incident in which the Massachusetts Democrat drove a car that plunged into the water and a young campaign worker died. "Dennis Hastert didn’t kill anybody," he added.

http://www.courant.com/news/po…..lines-home

Because Mark Foley chased teenage boys and Dennis Hastert covered it up, I’m outraged by Chappaquiddick Larry

While OPEC has announced a million barrel cut in daily production, it has not yet apportioned those cuts among its members. There are four things to keep in mind here. First, OPEC members historically have cheated on their production quotas and will continue to do so. Second, even an agreement on paper will be difficult to achieve. Third, Saudi Arabia’s ability to enforce discipline because of its reserve production capacity has eroded as world demand has increased and its reserve production capacity has correspondingly decreased. Fourth, most oil producing countries are overly dependent on their oil earnings. They need the money to keep their unbalanced, inefficient economies and corrupt governments from falling apart, which explains why they cheat and will cheat on their quotas.

So Shays not only thinks it’s okay to cover for child predators, he’s going to exploit Mary Jo Kopechne’s death a little into the bargain.

“Have you left no decency, sir? At long last, have you left no decency?”

OK, here’s an update. I got this in response to my volunteering to take the day off.

Hello Balrog,

We would love to have your help in our office. We have an amazingly close race in the 6th Congressional District and we NEED to elect Patty Wetterling.

The most important activity we are doing from our office is phone banking. Talking to swing voters directly is the best way to get them to get out and vote for Democrats. Phone banking is happening in our office all the time; during the day and in the evenings. The only day we are not doing phone banking is on Saturday when we are concentrating on door knocking. We are also doing door knocking on Sundays and on Tuesday and Thursday Evenings.

We do have some computer work involving data entry. Our phone bankers and door knockers are producing lots of information on how people are leaning as we get closer to the election. Imputing that information quickly is critical to producing accurately targeted lists for mailing and more phone banking.

More important than data entry though, is phone banking and door knocking. We only have a limited number of slots for data entry but we can always have more door knockers and phone bankers. We are in our office until 9:30pm M-Th and until around 7:00pm on Friday. If you work during the day we can use your help in the evenings or on the weekend.
Our office is located at 8645 Eagle Point Blvd. It is near I-94 and Radio Drive (County Road 13).

Our phone number is 651-209-9356.

Please give me a call to let me know when you would like to volunteer.

Thank you,

Jonpaul Barrabee

This is great. I’m heading over to enlist this afternoon.

I’ll pass on the ‘Day Off’ email I originally received after work.

Froomkin discussing presser live
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01165.html

In Christy’s last post, she linked to Glenn Greenwald’s post about the 3-year torture of Jose Padilla. It you have not already done so, please read the entire post. It is chilling, but is something that every American should be required to read.

I urge all here to spotlight the Greenwald post to every editor in the country, every political, legal, national, WH and other relevant reporters. In your comments in the Spotlight screen, you might want to note that the treatment used on Padilla has now been made “legal” by the detainee treatment act, and that the perpetrators and those who authorized what are clearly war crimes received amnesty in that bill — which is yet to be signed by the President. If you spotlight to Connecticut media, you might point out that Joe Lieberman voted for this bill, and Lamont opposed it.

The Bush Administration’s torture of US citizen Jose Padilla

The Spotlight link to use for Glenn’s blog is here:

Spotlight link for blogs other than firedoglake

To do this, click on the spotlight link first. In the space, enter the permalink URL from the specific Greenwald link above. Then select the journalists to whom you want to send the article by clicking on each name and clicking on “ADD” You can pick only 10 reporters at at time — the limit. Then hit continue, and follow the directions from there.

This is viatlly important and will help Dems all over the country. And it will help your country too.

Maybe a dumb question, but what’s the story with Bush sitting on that urgent torture bill, and not signing it? My understanding is that he has 2 weeks from passage to sign it. That’s tomorrow. Is he going to push it past that just because he can? Is he just waiting until tomorrow to get it in the papers Friday (as his press conference will be tomorrow) to try to run out the clock on the shitstorm that’s rolling in?

Sorry if this has been covered, but I had to ask. BTW Olbermann is such a hero.

I put this into babelfish.altavista.com

“I am, you know, amazed that this is a society which so wants to be free that they’re willing to — you know, that there’s a level of violence that they tolerate.”

and then asked it to translate from Peaforbrains to English. And it answered

“It is an incomprehensible contradiction that the land of the free and the home of the brave has twice elected a draft-dodging war-mongering dictator-wannabe as its president”

tying back to an earlier thread, do you think that bushie is going to hold the torture bill until the day the troop casualties cross the 3000 mark? it would be just the kind of rovian move to try to turn that negative to a positive (well in their minds anyway).

EvilDrPuma @ 27

So Shays not only thinks it’s okay to cover for child predators, he’s going to exploit Mary Jo Kopechne’s death a little into the bargain.

“Have you left no decency, sir? At long last, have you left no decency?”

Since Shays brought it up…

Were 600,000 people killed in Kennedy’s car?

Just askin

Larry

U.S. weighs first treason charges in over 50 years

By James Vicini 24 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – A California-born convert to Islam could become the first American accused of treason since World War Two after he appeared in al Qaeda videos, sources familiar with the man’s case said on Wednesday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..qaeda_dc_1

I’m soo bummed! I was hoping for someone from the Whitehouse!

Primordial Ooze @ 31

Maybe a dumb question, but what’s the story with Bush sitting on that urgent torture bill, and not signing it? My understanding is that he has 2 weeks from passage to sign it. That’s tomorrow. Is he going to push it past that just because he can? Is he just waiting until tomorrow to get it in the papers Friday (as his press conference will be tomorrow) to try to run out the clock on the shitstorm that’s rolling in?

Sorry if this has been covered, but I had to ask. BTW Olbermann is such a hero.

Two words: Karl Rove.

He is supposed to sign a bill within 10 days, but they stopped the clock on a technicality so he could do a campaign-timed PR stunt “huntin’ down them terrist varmints” signing. Scheduled now possibly for the 17th.
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bold off?

I fixed the bold, gang. Refresh your screens please.

Primordial Ooze @ 31

Maybe a dumb question, but what’s the story with Bush sitting on that urgent torture bill, and not signing it? My understanding is that he has 2 weeks from passage to sign it. That’s tomorrow. Is he going to push it past that just because he can? Is he just waiting until tomorrow to get it in the papers Friday (as his press conference will be tomorrow) to try to run out the clock on the shitstorm that’s rolling in?

Sorry if this has been covered, but I had to ask. BTW Olbermann is such a hero.

Peterr actually found the answer to this a few days ago. The signing date is provisionally set for the 17th. The President has 10 days to sign from when he gets the bill. The WH asked the Congress to go slow in getting the bill to him so that is why it will be more than 10 days between passage and signing. The timing was I expect because the WH wanted a big success it could trumpet closer to the elections. Events have overtaken them.

Can we have cleanup on aisle 37, please? (not that I necessarily agree with MoveOn, but that post is a bit voer the line by my standards)

This is what worries me:
http://www.rockymountainnews.c…..82,00.html
[…..]

Any new emergency, [Gen. Barry McCaffrey] said, such as heightened tensions in Korea or Taiwan, a domestic terrorism attack or natural disaster, could push the Army beyond its limits.

“If the other shoe drops, we are breaking the U.S. Army,” he said.

McCaffrey said the Army has been fighting “on a World War II footing” since 9/11, exhausting its capacity.

“I think it’s irresponsible. I think we put the nation in the position of strategic peril,” he said.
[……]
I just can’t believe this is happening, and if people bring it up, we are called appeasers. Someone explain this to me.

Hugh @ 39

Primordial Ooze @ 31

what’s the story with Bush sitting on that urgent torture bill, and not signing it?

Peterr actually found the answer to this a few days ago. The signing date is provisionally set for the 17th. The President has 10 days to sign from when he gets the bill. The WH asked the Congress to go slow in getting the bill to him so that is why it will be more than 10 days between passage and signing. The timing was I expect because the WH wanted a big success it could trumpet closer to the elections. Events have overtaken them.

I suggest a location for the signing ceremony: the Hague

Bill at 37 — no idea what you are talking about with the MoveOn forums (I didn’t even know they had them frankly) — but they are an outside interest group trying to aggregate efforts on the progressive side independently of the official political campaigns — and, as such, they can have no coordination with the Lamont campaign or any other candidate. That’s a red herring to try and tie any problems you have with them to any individual campaign, including Lamont.

Anti-semitism is vile. I know we spend a LOT of time weeding out some nasty comments that people try to make about various folks, including against Lieberman, from our comments section. It takes a LOT of work, on an hour by hour basis, for us and for our volunteers — so I am more than aware how much work goes into that for us in our comments.

Thank you for filling me in, BobbyG and Hugh, and thanks to Peterr for digging.

Ahhhhh, nothing like good clean political fearmongering to restore your faith in democracy.

Hey Rita “the brain” Cosby is on the tube talin about a missin white woman. Yahoo!

Bill is no longer at 37 – just sayin’

punaise:

The Geneva Conventions are too Hague

So what has this president done to stem the epidemic of missing white Women?

the perfect political storm would be for a white Congressional Page to turn up missing – even Animal Planet and the Cartoon Network would be carrying that story!

So the plan is to keep troops in Iraq at least through 2010. If that’s the case, and I’ve no reason to doubt this, then Democrats might want to elect a president for 2008, whom they feel confident will not pursue that no-win policy. Jeepers, I wonder which Democrat presidential wannabe would at this time, and perhaps if elected, NOT pursue a policy of disengagement from Iraq?

“they “tolerate” it because they have no other choice. “

Especially the dead. Yeah, they really, really tolerate it.

Missed the presser, sigh! James Baker on the Daily Show said there was a pacification plan for Bagdad. Less than 24 hrs. later the munitions dump explodes in So. Bagdad affecting at least three residential neighborhoods. I am curious as to how much Depleted Uranium ordinance was stored there. The attrition of death over the decades will pale the new figures(650,000). I outraged, bummed, sad!

Froomkin links to a great op-ed in the Times of London by Alice Miles. A taste:

I REMEMBER a time when, following an event of international significance, the world would wait to hear what the president of the United States had to say about it. In Britain we would have an impatient few hours before America had woken up. Because until the President had spoken, you couldn’t be sure of even the shape of what might happen next.

On Monday we woke to the news of North Korea’s nuclear test, and to a banal commentary of people who didn’t really know what to say about it. Just when you wanted some real insight and even facts, the Today programme again indulged its tiresome obsession with Iraq, focusing upon whether Tony Blair’s actions there had made this move by Kim Jong Il more likely blah blah. That didn’t surprise me. What did was my instinctive reaction when George W. Bush did speak much later in the day. There he was gravely intoning on one or other news channel that this “constitutes a threat to international peace and security”, and “Oh sod off” I heard myself muttering, with no desire to hear any more. It was as much ennui as irritation: I didn’t believe he would have anything useful to say and found it faintly annoying that he spoke as though the world would care. . . .

And she wrote this BEFORE his presser this morning.

We as a nation lost our strongest tool in international relations when we lost our credibility and integrity. Our credibility went down the tubes with the slam-dunk, we-know-where-they-are, who-gives-a-damn-what-the-rest-of-the-world-thinks invasion based on non-existent WMDs. Our integrity followed shortly thereafter when torture was revealed to be the official policy of the US government.

Our credibility and integrity made it possible for us to forge a moral consensus around freedom, human rights, and due process. Let other nations have their gulags, their secret military tribunals, and their kangaroo courts. Let other nations have their “Baghdad Bob” and “Tokyo Rose” spokespeople. We spoke plainly, truthfully, and openly, making our case for all the world to see. We left it to other nations to build their case around fear, oppression, and secrecy – we stood for openness, opportunity, and dignity.

But alas, that is no longer the case. “Sod off” indeed.

Our standing in the world is too important to leave to the Republican party led by a Shrub. We need a House controlled by Democrats, to hold hearings, demand accountability, and rein in his madness. We need a Senate controlled by Democrats, to insure that Bush does not continue to pack the Supreme Court with extremists who don’t give a fig for the Bill of Rights.

We need to win in November.

rwcole @ 49

So what has this president done to stem the epidemic of missing white Women?

Not to mention the rampaging horde of illegal immigrant Congressional pages.
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Bill Levinson (instapundit) invited us to google…so I did.

Here is what I found: http://kabobfest.blogspot.com/…..rkson.html

“Utilizing all of his wizardly powers to develop a language through which only he could insult conference organizers, Bill Levinson has solidified his position in the history of dorks. Armed with his infamous comic strip, The CrUSAders, as well as Ancient Greek Poetry, this “Defender of the West” believes that only through the destruction of Islam will Israel be saved. Advocating for an ethnic cleansing solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and referring to Palestinians as both two-legged locusts and Hitler in a headscarf, this evil virgin Visigoth is indeed a ruthless (virgin) racist.”

LMAO

*ilson46201 @ 46

Bill is no longer at 37 – just sayin’

post no Bills

“Thank you, Mr. President. I feel so much safer now that we have a wannabe cowboy in charge of the free world.”

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1011-21.htm

The Shrub Speaketh:
“I am, you know, amazed that this is a society which so wants to be free that they’re willing to — you know, that there’s a level of violence that they tolerate.”

His amazement is perfectly natural. After all, because he tells them it’s necessary, Americans keep handing over their freedoms (and their souls) just for the illusion of safety.

Any new emergency, [Gen. Barry McCaffrey] said, such as heightened tensions in Korea or Taiwan, a domestic terrorism attack or natural disaster, could push the Army beyond its limits.

“If the other shoe drops, we are breaking the U.S. Army,” he said.

The army has been beyond it’s capacity for quite a while already. That’s why Iraq is such a mess, and we are losing Afghanistan.

We should never have invaded Iraq at all, and should have kept Afghanistan appropriately “staffed”. I keep going back and forth though on why this has all happened. Is BushCo merely incompetent? Or are they deliberately making things worse, increasing worldwide terrorism, etc., as an excuse for doing things like getting rid of habeas corpus? In other words, incompetence, or cunning plan?

I’m not sure which anymore. But when Americans start getting declared traitors and “enemy combatants”, it’s time to remove the cancerous regime, or find another place to live.

Hey, Punaise.

Just so you know, your defense of my A’s last night was much appreciated. So nice to know the Punster’s got our back!

Jacqrat @ 60

Hey, Punaise.

Just so you know, your defense of my A’s last night was much appreciated. So nice to know the Punster’s got our back!

go A’s….!

CatelynK @ 59

The Shrub Speaketh:
“I am, you know, amazed that this is a society which so wants to be free that they’re willing to — you know, that there’s a level of violence that they tolerate.”

Like they have a fucking choice.
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Georgie is starting fires all over the world. Someone please confiscate this little boy’s matches! I mean this IS “the” guy with “his” finger on “the” button.

Gaza sliding into civil war

http://www.guardian.co.uk/isra…..20,00.html

Kurt @ 59

Any new emergency, [Gen. Barry McCaffrey] said, such as heightened tensions in Korea or Taiwan, a domestic terrorism attack or natural disaster, could push the Army beyond its limits.

“If the other shoe drops, we are breaking the U.S. Army,” he said.

The army has been beyond it’s capacity for quite a while already. That’s why Iraq is such a mess, and we are losing Afghanistan.

We should never have invaded Iraq at all, and should have kept Afghanistan appropriately “staffed”. I keep going back and forth though on why this has all happened. Is BushCo merely incompetent? Or are they deliberately making things worse, increasing worldwide terrorism, etc., as an excuse for doing things like getting rid of habeas corpus? In other words, incompetence, or cunning plan?

I’m not sure which anymore. But when Americans start getting declared traitors and “enemy combatants”, it’s time to remove the cancerous regime, or find another place to live.

when have they ever been cunning?

Guess when all you have is crap…

You grow Turdblossoms?

Here’s the original email I got from Dean. Who wants to take a day off?

Dear Balrog,

Four weeks from today, what will you be doing?

On November 7th, America will vote. All the polls say that people have had enough. We’re poised to win historic victories up and down the ballot — but only if we follow through and make it happen.

So we’re doing something we’ve never done before.

We’re asking every Democrat who can do so to take the day off from work on Election Day to be part of our 50-State Turnout operation.

If you commit to taking the day off on Tuesday, November 7th, our staff will commit to making sure you have the resources and contacts you need to spend a full day immersed in our democracy.

We’re asking now so that you have plenty of time to make arrangements. Whether you’re new to politics or a seasoned volunteer, if you can afford to spend all or part of Election Day working to elect Democrats, tell us here:

http://www.democrats.org/electionday

This final-day push will be the final piece of our 50-State Turnout operation. The first piece happened this past weekend, when we had an incredible series of events.

In every single state we had important volunteer events that connected people on the ground and got everyone to work.

It’s all part of the broadest get-out-the-vote operation that our party has attempted in a generation.

In past election years, when the party focused on a few battleground states and abandoned candidates everywhere else, we would not have been in a position to turn growing Democratic support in the polls down the homestretch into victory on Election Day.

But thanks to the 50-state strategy, we’ve been in local communities over the past year-and-a-half building the infrastructure and networks of volunteers necessary to win.

No matter where you live, there is important work you can do that will directly affect this election. Let us know if you can afford to spend all or part of Election Day making democracy happen:

http://www.democrats.org/electionday

If you can spend one day of your time working for Democrats, we can win this.

When we do, we’ll finally have some leaders who will spend their time working for the American people.

Thank you.

Governor Howard Dean, M.D.

I just stopped at the local county office. They have 12 phones, scripts, and tallying workstations set up and ready to go. I’ll be there evenings and this weekend. We’ll be concentrating on Patty Wetterling since Amy Klobuchar has a 12 point lead.

Any other Minny FDLers close to Lake Elmo?

Oklahoma kiddo @
63

Georgie is starting fires all over the world. Someone please confiscate this little boy’s matches! I mean this IS “the” guy with “his” finger on “the” button.

Gaza sliding into civil war

http://www.guardian.co.uk/isra…..20,00.html

no need to wonder who might be happy about it………

The Pissy Pretzledent.

Dude is getting more brittle and shrill by the day.
_

fahrender @
64

Kurt @ 59

Any new emergency, [Gen. Barry McCaffrey] said, such as heightened tensions in Korea or Taiwan, a domestic terrorism attack or natural disaster, could push the Army beyond its limits.

“If the other shoe drops, we are breaking the U.S. Army,” he said.

The army has been beyond it’s capacity for quite a while already. That’s why Iraq is such a mess, and we are losing Afghanistan.

We should never have invaded Iraq at all, and should have kept Afghanistan appropriately “staffed”. I keep going back and forth though on why this has all happened. Is BushCo merely incompetent? Or are they deliberately making things worse, increasing worldwide terrorism, etc., as an excuse for doing things like getting rid of habeas corpus? In other words, incompetence, or cunning plan?

I’m not sure which anymore. But when Americans start getting declared traitors and “enemy combatants”, it’s time to remove the cancerous regime, or find another place to live.

when have they ever been cunning?

and fuckwad has certainly never been a cunning linguist……

Larry @
34

EvilDrPuma @ 27

So Shays not only thinks it’s okay to cover for child predators, he’s going to exploit Mary Jo Kopechne’s death a little into the bargain.

“Have you left no decency, sir? At long last, have you left no decency?”

Since Shays brought it up…

Were 600,000 people killed in Kennedy’s car?

Just askin

Larry

bada bing, Larry, bada bing!

Why do I get freaked out when there is 10 minutes between post.

I feel like I’m in a skinner box.

Peterr @
53

Froomkin links to a great op-ed in the Times of London by Alice Miles. A taste:

I REMEMBER a time when, following an event of international significance, the world would wait to hear what the president of the United States had to say about it. In Britain we would have an impatient few hours before America had woken up. Because until the President had spoken, you couldn’t be sure of even the shape of what might happen next.

On Monday we woke to the news of North Korea’s nuclear test, and to a banal commentary of people who didn’t really know what to say about it. Just when you wanted some real insight and even facts, the Today programme again indulged its tiresome obsession with Iraq, focusing upon whether Tony Blair’s actions there had made this move by Kim Jong Il more likely blah blah. That didn’t surprise me. What did was my instinctive reaction when George W. Bush did speak much later in the day. There he was gravely intoning on one or other news channel that this “constitutes a threat to international peace and security”, and “Oh sod off” I heard myself muttering, with no desire to hear any more. It was as much ennui as irritation: I didn’t believe he would have anything useful to say and found it faintly annoying that he spoke as though the world would care. . . .

And she wrote this BEFORE his presser this morning.

We as a nation lost our strongest tool in international relations when we lost our credibility and integrity. Our credibility went down the tubes with the slam-dunk, we-know-where-they-are, who-gives-a-damn-what-the-rest-of-the-world-thinks invasion based on non-existent WMDs. Our integrity followed shortly thereafter when torture was revealed to be the official policy of the US government.

Our credibility and integrity made it possible for us to forge a moral consensus around freedom, human rights, and due process. Let other nations have their gulags, their secret military tribunals, and their kangaroo courts. Let other nations have their “Baghdad Bob” and “Tokyo Rose” spokespeople. We spoke plainly, truthfully, and openly, making our case for all the world to see. We left it to other nations to build their case around fear, oppression, and secrecy – we stood for openness, opportunity, and dignity.

But alas, that is no longer the case. “Sod off” indeed.

Our standing in the world is too important to leave to the Republican party led by a Shrub. We need a House controlled by Democrats, to hold hearings, demand accountability, and rein in his madness. We need a Senate controlled by Democrats, to insure that Bush does not continue to pack the Supreme Court with extremists who don’t give a fig for the Bill of Rights.

We need to win in November.

The London “Times” is a Murdoch paper, interestingly.

there’s an interesting story bout murdoch in this week’s new yorker mag. it’s accessable at the website.

fahrender @ 73

there’s an interesting story bout murdoch in this week’s new yorker mag. it’s accessable at the website.

Let me guess. The editorial slant of his properties will start being somewhat kinder to the Dems if they take back the House and/or Senate?

He pulled that shit right before Blair was first elected in 97, after being pro-Tory for the previous 25 years.

God, I loathe that man.

kristinejoy @ 71

Why do I get freaked out when there is 10 minutes between post.

I feel like I’m in a skinner box.

better that than a Schrodinger’s cat!

My favorite quote from Froomkin’s article today (linked in Christy’s post above):

Reader Paul Popejoy e-mailed me about yesterday’s column : “I noticed that the article you mentioned by David Broder and Dan Balz said, ‘President Bush’s approval rating, which rose to 42 percent in September after an anti-terrorism offensive marking the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, registered 39 percent in the latest poll.’

“What anti-terrorism offensive?

“Did they mean, ‘public relations offensive’? The difference between ‘anti-terrorism’ and ‘public relations’ to me is that the former goes after terrorists while leaving Americans alone, while the latter goes after Americans while leaving terrorists alone. By my definition, it was ‘public relations’ not ‘anti-terrorism.’”

*ilson46201 @ 75

kristinejoy @ 71

Why do I get freaked out when there is 10 minutes between post.

I feel like I’m in a skinner box.

better that than a Schrodinger’s cat!

love the skinner, hate the skin

Christy et al: last Thursday a group called worldcantwait.org held rallies in cities nationwide, coast to coast and in nation’s our capital. Since I’d never heard of them until they were mentioned on NPR (KCRW, Santa Monica for me…) that morning, I checked their website and was satisfied after looking at the names of supporters that they were a legitimate group with whom I’d be willing to work. People like Alice Walker, Daniel Elsburg (sp?), Harry Belafonte, Ed Asner, and too many others to try to list. Bottom line, my partner and I attended their rally in downtown L.A. in the afternoon, and realized we’re on to something. Their mission: TO BRING DOWN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. NOW. Hence their name, The World Can’t Wait. Each time I read one of your posts lately, I get a strong sense of your desperation with the status quo in this administration. Strongly suggest you check them out; your feedback/opinion of what you find would be most appreciated.

Meanwhile, know that they’re requesting that demonstrators who participated last week return to the places in their cities each them met, on each Thursday for the next six weeks, with the hope of building momentum for their movement. We’ll do our best to be out there. For almost six years now, I’ve been asking,”Why aren’t we rioting in the streets?” These non-violent demonstrations are a better route, and a great start, in my books.

the South is poised to fall:

[…]Indeed, all of the competitive races in the South – such as North Carolina’s 8th and 11th districts – are likely to be affected to some degree.

Meanwhile, speaking of the South, Bowers notes that if we take back the House this November, it’ll be the first time the House is led by a party that does not hold a majority of Southern House seats. It would be a dramatic shift of power away from the South to the rest of the country.

And lest this turn into a South-bashing thread, let me make clear that a national party needs to be a national party, and that includes the South. It’ll be the toughest nut to crack, and will likely happen after we bring most of the rest of the country aboard. But it needs to happen.

Thankfully, Foley is helping speed that process up.

Peterr #53,

I agree. There is a right way, an adult way for us to deal with the threats and challenges that confront us.

With terrorism, we could have pursued those who committed it, arrested them, tried them before real courts, and thrown the book at them. Instead we find our leaders defending torture, kangaroo courts, rendition, secret prisons, the suspension of fundamental legal rights like habeas, and the casual invasion of our privacy through massive data mining operations and warrantless wiretapping.

With Iraq, there was the Powell Doctrine we could have followed. John Casper and I are both very big on this. War must be the last resort after all diplomatic avenues have been exhausted. There must be not only overwhelming force but overwhelming support for its use. There must be clearly defined objectives. We must have a plan both of how we go in but also of how we get out. Bush’s invasion of Iraq violated not one or a few but all of the tenets of Powell’s Doctrine. The result is a quagmire for us and a civil war for the Iraqis.

With Katrina, FEMA under Clinton was an effective cabinet level agency that could anticipate and mobilize resources to meet large scale disasters. Under Bush, it was demoted, emptied of his experts, and headed by cronies. As a result, the fundamental social compact between Americans: that in disaster we take care of our own was broken. A major city and its citizens were left to fend for themselves or die.

What we have today is a country led by dumbasses. There is no other way to say it. They are so sure of themselves they will listen to no one else but they have no clue what they are doing. Everything they touch turns to cr*p. Everything they do is a failure because they do not think. We live in a complex, adult world that requires complex solutions to complex problems. While they see everything in black and white, either/or. If a slogan won’t fix it, they are lost. You can’t run a first world, technologically advanced country this way. Even the Taliban couldn’t run a third world state that way.

The problem is that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Addington, Yoo, Hadley, Snow and all the rest have no understanding of the modern, let alone adult, world. They have no understanding that actions have consequences. They are in the most powerful positions in the world and they do not know what they are doing, and what is worse they really, really think they do.

Here’s a quote from the first Gore-Bush debate on Oct. 3, 2000. It’s long but it’s so full of classic double speak, I don’t know how to edit it down.

MODERATOR: New question. How would you go about as president deciding when it was in the national interest to use U.S. force, generally?

BUSH: Well, if it’s in our vital national interest, and that means whether our territory is threatened or people could be harmed, whether or not the alliances are — our defense alliances are threatened, whether or not our friends in the Middle East are threatened. That would be a time to seriously consider the use of force. Secondly, whether or not the mission was clear. Whether or not it was a clear understanding as to what the mission would be. Thirdly, whether or not we were prepared and trained to win. Whether or not our forces were of high morale and high standing and well-equipped. And finally, whether or not there was an exit strategy. I would take the use of force very seriously. I would be guarded in my approach. I don’t think we can be all things to all people in the world. I think we’ve got to be very careful when we commit our troops. The vice president and I have a disagreement about the use of troops. He believes in nation building. I would be very careful about using our troops as nation builders. I believe the role of the military is to fight and win war and therefore prevent war from happening in the first place. So I would take my responsibility seriously. And it starts with making sure we rebuild our military power. Morale in today’s military is too low. We’re having trouble meeting recruiting goals. We met the goals this year, but in the previous years we have not met recruiting goals. Some of our troops are not well-equipped. I believe we’re overextended in too many places. And therefore I want to rebuild the military power. It starts with a billion dollar pay raise for the men and women who wear the uniform. A billion dollars more than the president recently signed into law. It’s to make sure our troops are well-housed and well-equipped. Bonus plans to keep some of our high-skilled folks in the services and a commander in chief that sets the mission to fight and win war and prevent war from happening in the first place.

Debate transcripts 2000

In Bushworld, where it’s always Opposite Day, this makes perfect sense. Gahhhh!

Defeat Lieberman by attacking Schlesinger:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/11/11400/389

This article REALLY makes sense to me. Lamont has gotten all the mileage he can out of pointing out the differences between him and Lieberman, and it’s just not going to be enough.

What he needs to do is to point out the differences between Schlesinger and Lamont/Lieberman. He needs to turn Lieberman’s Republicans against Lieberman. He needs to give Schlesinger name recognition and credibility. In short, he needs to do what Rove & Bush did in 2004 — run a divisive campaign that angers the opposition — in this case the CT wingnuts who are holding their noses to pragmatically vote for Lieberman. By equating Lieb with Bush, Lamont is giving them an excuse to vote against the Republican.

Hugh,

With Iraq, there was the Powell Doctrine we could have followed. John Casper and I are both very big on this. War must be the last resort after all diplomatic avenues have been exhausted. There must be not only overwhelming force but overwhelming support for its use. There must be clearly defined objectives. We must have a plan both of how we go in but also of how we get out. Bush’s invasion of Iraq violated not one or a few but all of the tenets of Powell’s Doctrine. The result is a quagmire for us and a civil war for the Iraqis.

I’m not convinced following the Powell Doctrine would have made much of a difference, long term. An occupation is an occupation and a quagmire is a quagmire.

http://members.aol.com/warlibrary/vwatl.htm

TheOtherWA #81,

Excellent quote. Bush believed in the Powell Doctrine before he didn’t. He didn’t believe in nation building before he did. And you can already see the inimitable and scary illogic that was to follow and culminate in Iraq:

I believe the role of the military is to fight and win war and therefore prevent war from happening in the first place.

small plane crashes into bldg in manhatten– breaking cnn.

*ilson46201 @ 75

kristinejoy @ 71

Why do I get freaked out when there is 10 minutes between post.

I feel like I’m in a skinner box.

better that than a Schrodinger’s cat!

I don’t want to be a Bohr….

Fun with transcripts. Goto the latest Pissy Presser, hit Ctrl-F and enter stuff like “the stakes” or “understand“. Keep hitting “Find Next”. Count the number of times he says the same shit over & over & over.

What a moron. Finger on the nucular button, too.

I particularly loved the way he irritably concluded with “thank you for your interest” and turned tail briskly, head down, and walked petulantly off.
_

msnbc says it was a chopper– upper east side.

MSNBC says it’s a helicopter, which makes more sense, I guess.

JupiterPluvius @ 89

MSNBC says it’s a helicopter, which makes more sense, I guess.

Uh OH, where is KO? Hope not visiting Trump…

CNN – “a number of apartments completely engulfed in flames”

Iran Travel Warning

http://travel.state.gov/travel…..w_920.html

Oct. surprise coming?

Update: Small plane

MSNBC

CNN – now saying helicopter – still not confirmed

twolf1 @ 94

CNN – now saying helicopter – still not confirmed

LOL Who knows ; )

Re: NYC. Live pictures on the local CBS station. Lots of flames from about four apartments and debris is falling. This building is near a heliport on the East River — 524 E. 72nd St.near the Hospital for Special Surgery.

The building is relatively new construction which should help the first responders. Please say prayers.

Cozumel @ 95

twolf1 @ 94

CNN – now saying helicopter – still not confirmed

LOL Who knows ; )

i think they need to call each other and get their stories straight

524 E. 72nd St.–the Belair, condos, rentals, short-stay corporate housing, and a health club.

People are trapped on the 39th and 40th floor, according to FDNY. Still unclear whether it’s a helicopter or plane.

FAA says plane now.

CNN – multi engined small plane – according to a police official

Hope it turns out Ralston transported funds from Abramoff to Rove so she could called a ‘baglady.’ Or maybe it is still bagman. Still Nixon’s Watergate ‘bagman’ would be hard to top.

PeteCO @
74

fahrender @ 73

there’s an interesting story bout murdoch in this week’s new yorker mag. it’s accessable at the website.

Let me guess. The editorial slant of his properties will start being somewhat kinder to the Dems if they take back the House and/or Senate?

He pulled that shit right before Blair was first elected in 97, after being pro-Tory for the previous 25 years.

God, I loathe that man.

read the new yorker article and you’ll loathe him even more……

Ha–MSNBC confirmed it was a helicopter just now.

Hugh @ 80

Peterr #53,
The problem is that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Addington, Yoo, Hadley, Snow and all the rest have no understanding of the modern, let alone adult, world. They have no understanding that actions have consequences. They are in the most powerful positions in the world and they do not know what they are doing, and what is worse they really, really think they do.

I humbly disagree on this last bit, Hugh. BushCo knew full well civil war would result, it was fully predicted, and this is playing out according to their BEST expectation. As noted, Bush is not dismayed by the 650,000 number.

They want civil war, because the policy is genocide, just at it is in Gaza, as OK Kiddo links, above. The simple strategy: cut off economic aid, remove/undermine any strong leaders, destroy any infrastructure for humane conditions, and let them kill eachother.

It’s what they wanted, each of them: Bush, Cheney, Libby, Perle, Wolfowitz, Condi, just like the Likud party openly discusses on a daily basis in the Knesset. And it’s what they have now. What’s a good number for them: 1,000,000? 2,000,000?

Sure, why not.

The clock ticks….

Lieberman holds a 7-point edge over Lamont in Connecticut Senate race
From Political Researcher Xuan Thai

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Democratic Sen. Joe Lieberman, who is running as an independent, leads Democratic nominee Ned Lamont, in the race for the Connecticut U.S. Senate seat. A new poll from the Hartford Courant/University of Connecticut shows Lieberman ahead of Lamont by 7-points. The poll was conducted from October 4 through October 9, 2006.

Lieberman 46%
Lamont 39%

Sample Size: 637 Registered Voters
Margin of Error: /- 3.9%

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/bl…..index.html

Hope it’s not owned by Larry Silverstein.

(somebody had to say it)

Cozumel #83,

The point is that if we had followed the Powell Doctrine we never would have gone into Iraq. It was a vanity war. It was meant to be quick, cheap, and glorious. It’s purpose was to cement Bush’s image as a tough, successful leader and ensure the dominance of the Republican Party.

The reality was about 40% did not support the war. For me the key point of the Powell Doctrine is precisely the need for overwhelming public support. If you don’t have it, you need to work to get it. If you can’t, then you need to rethink your strategy.

As for the remaining points, we did not have broad international support. Diplomacy had not been exhausted. The fairly goofy war plan of shock and awe had to be extensively modified and was far short of the ‘overwhelming force’ requirement. Overwhelming force btw does not mean simply going in and shooting a place up. It means destroying an enemy’s present and future capacity to wage war. This was not done. There were no clear objectives. And we had no exit strategy.

punaise @
77

*ilson46201 @ 75

kristinejoy @ 71

Why do I get freaked out when there is 10 minutes between post.

I feel like I’m in a skinner box.

better that than a Schrodinger’s cat!

love the skinner, hate the skin

so you flay it ……..

Skinner fits: Karl, Cheney, Addington, like a glove. hate to think what it’s made of though ……..

524 E. 72nd New York

Various companies with that address…

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=524 E. 72nd New York&fr=yfp-t-500&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

fahrender @ 107

punaise @
77

*ilson46201 @ 75

kristinejoy @ 71

Why do I get freaked out when there is 10 minutes between post.

I feel like I’m in a skinner box.

better that than a Schrodinger’s cat!

love the skinner, hate the skin

so you flay it ……..

Skinner fits: Karl, Cheney, Addington, like a glove. hate to think what it’s made of though ……..

B.F. Skinner would not like their behavior

In Iraq at this level until 2010.

NO.

Just NO.

With what troops, I say, and Secretary Webb says, and Rep. Murtha says?

Another 3,000 Americans dead and FOR WHAT?? Another 600,000 Iraqis dead. [Insert long stream of very unegregious like cursing.]

Time to rev up to a higher level of election involvement. Everything else can wait.

Hugh,

The point is that if we had followed the Powell Doctrine we never would have gone into Iraq

Got it

oops: would not like their behavior

It’s mostly residential. There are some medical offices (plastic surgery) and other random offices (financial consultants) on the first 10 floors. The aircraft seems to have hit on the upper 30s-lower 40s, which are definitely residential.

punaise @ 112

oops: would not like their behavior

Walden, we agree.

Blantant unprovoked attacks for FREEDOM?

This is how Bush views the “freedom” he says Iraqis will tolerate anything for.

He’s using the same “line of thinking” that says Americans “love freedom so much” they are willing to let the decider shred their constitution and be wire tapped at the will of said decider IN ORDER TO STAY….”SAFE.”
Freedom is just a word to him that is used in a totally self serving manner. Freedom to him means freedom for ….HIM…. to do as he pleases and to con Americans into letting him do it by convincing them that they will be free of ..THREAT, PAIN, ANY EFFORT… if they let him RULE. Bush sees our freedom ( freedom that HE WILL PROVIDE US) as freedom from having to think, be adults, and participate in Democracy.

He has, in a sense, attempted to “privatize” our participation in government – sort of contract it “out” to ….him. Bush says: “now you can just sit back and let my corporation ( it used to be your government) “protect” you. All you have to do is pay for it with your future, your money, and your REAL FREEDOM

punaise @ 112

oops: would not like their behavior

somehow their behavior reminds me of Skinner’s view of people. he wouldn’t want to accept that, for sure.

What’s with CNN? Talk about major creeps. The small plane crash can’t be tied to terrorism. Don’t have anything to tie it to a terrorist act. Remember 9/11, floors buckling. We’re not saying it’s terrorism.

Breathless, breathless. Panty-phone woman is telling us in borderline breathy voice: No we’re not bringing up terrorism because we think its any kind of terrorism…9/11….

Shiny thing.

Scheiss.

fahrender @ 116

punaise @ 112

oops: would not like their behavior

somehow their behavior reminds me of Skinner’s view of people. he wouldn’t want to accept that, for sure.

Yeah, that explains our government–pigeons pecking big red buttons.

Dpt of fdl people meeting offline…

ET and I talked for the first time by phone to discuss how to help Diane Benson (D-Alaska) defeat Don Young (R-Forced Abortions). Here’s his report at 153 late nite.

ET: “fdl rocks! seriously. I met egregious today on the telephone re e’s confidence in Diane Benson as the best outside bet for a US House seat. I’m overt in describing what I think I am and what I perceive myself to be doing politically and artistically when I post here. when we talked on the phone I wasn’t totally surprised to find out how amazing, effective and important egregious is in the vital world peace struggle. OK, I sorta was. some here are more modest than I am, and egregious takes the friggin’ modesty cake.” [end ET quote]

All I can say is, guess we didn’t talk long enough if he thinks I’m modest :D

Please support Diane Benson:

http://www.actblue.com/page/egregious

and stop Don Young’s slave labor and forced abortions in the Mariannas. This is a campaign that could really catch fire if it gets some publicity. And her personal story is one that would resonate with many of us here at fdl.

CNN – NORAD dispatched fighters over numerous major cities

kristinejoy @ 118

fahrender @ 116

punaise @ 112

oops: would not like their behavior

somehow their behavior reminds me of Skinner’s view of people. he wouldn’t want to accept that, for sure.

Yeah, that explains our government–pigeons pecking big red buttons.

see shiny thing? mind go blank. bend over, we’ll drive. leave everything to us. we know best. just go shopping. spend money……..

scheiss sums it up.

I am very sorry for the victims of this disaster on this day in dubya’s America. As I watch the coverage, I am thinking of the victims of our own violence and inattention in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Lebanon, Chechnya, Darfur, North Korea, etc.

Fighter aircraft flying over our cities now acc. to Barbara Starr…dubya pretending to presidate yet again.

scheiss.

egregious @ 119

Dpt of fdl people meeting offline…

ET and I talked for the first time by phone to discuss how to help Diane Benson (D-Alaska) defeat Don Young (R-Forced Abortions). Here’s his report at 153 late nite.

ET: “fdl rocks! seriously. I met egregious today on the telephone re e’s confidence in Diane Benson as the best outside bet for a US House seat. I’m overt in describing what I think I am and what I perceive myself to be doing politically and artistically when I post here. when we talked on the phone I wasn’t totally surprised to find out how amazing, effective and important egregious is in the vital world peace struggle. OK, I sorta was. some here are more modest than I am, and egregious takes the friggin’ modesty cake.” [end ET quote]

All I can say is, guess we didn’t talk long enough if he thinks I’m modest :D

Please support Diane Benson:

http://www.actblue.com/page/egregious

and stop Don Young’s slave labor and forced abortions in the Mariannas. This is a campaign that could really catch fire if it gets some publicity. And her personal story is one that would resonate with many of us here at fdl.

Hi, Egy! I read that this morning with a big grin on my face. I know you. You are ADORABLE.

um, like me. Yeah… that’s the ticket!

God Damn plane crashed into an apartment building in my town. What the F..? No one knows if it’s terrorism and now NORAD is releasing fighter aircraft over major cities. Son of a bitch.
Well, well.
All under Bush’s watch. Remember this people.

the revolution won’t be televised but it will be blogged. meanwhile it’s the land of nod for ol’ fahr (or old fart, if you prefer)> ‘nite all.

fahrender @ 126

the revolution won’t be televised but it will be blogged. meanwhile it’s the land of nod for ol’ fahr (or old fart, if you prefer)> ‘nite all.

Schlaf gut!

This story STINKS, like Elephant dung.

I just wanted to add to the fine discussion above about the Powell Doctrine and especially the complete fucking absence of public support and diplomatic unanimity with the rest of the world, which the Powell Doctrine requires.

The fifth point of the Doctrine is normally interpreted to mean that the U.S. should not get involved in peacekeeping or nation-building exercises.

Iraq is classic nation building.* Reagan used to rail against the U.N. about their attempts at nation building.

Our ground forces are trained to work in conjunction with artillery and Air supremacy in the taking of military objectives. Building a government is NOT a MILITARY objective. Our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are targets waiting to be hit. Most of the artillery used in Iraq is from the Sunni’s in their IED’s.

I think under the right conditions “nation building” can be done successfully by the U.N. From what I can gather, Bush has been trying to manipulate the Iraqi factions into becoming an ally of the U.S. and Israel, so I don’t want to soil the concept of “nation building” with what Bush has done.

Finally, we’re still spending $280,000,000/DAY over there.

new thread – Jane’s got a question: How Now, Barak?

God Damn plane crashed into an apartment building in my town. What the F..? No one knows if it’s terrorism and now NORAD is releasing fighter aircraft over major cities.

The FBI says it doesn’t think it’s terrorists. Fighter planes sounds like the usual over-reaction: prevent the last attack again.

NYC, I have a view of all this from my balcony but not much to say at the moment.

twolf1 @ 121

CNN – NORAD dispatched fighters over numerous major cities

October nonsurprise. Yawn.

Boo! Scary brown people! Attacks! Oh wait it’s not Halloween yet. My bad.

An accident my ass…more like a warning. Boy, I’m such a cynic, but I’ve been thru this once already, having been a block away from the World Trade Center and watching the second plane fly into the south tower. But this time I’m not afraid. I AM PISSED. HOW THE FUCK CAN AN AIRCRAFT BE FLOWN INTO A BUILDING IN NYC AGAIN??!!
Someone please tell me…
I’m waiting…

RagingGurrl @
134

HOW THE FUCK CAN AN AIRCRAFT BE FLOWN INTO A BUILDING IN NYC AGAIN??!!

Small craft on VFR, flying in too close on a foggy, rainy, windy day. Just like the plane that hit the Empire State Building in 1945.

Either one or two fatalities reported.

It’s Jim Miklaszewski.

I am late on this one…. sorry.

I agree with “Balrog”, please don’t ruin my happy memories….
Yes, it is Quite a juxtaposition, I agree with Christy on that. I think “Victim or the Crime” might have been a more appropriate song choice from the GD catalouge for that picture, ymmv.

Peace.

Murphthesurf
Philadelphia

Moderator: please strike my 104. Thanks.

agliss @ 32

I put this into babelfish.altavista.com

“I am, you know, amazed that this is a society which so wants to be free that they’re willing to — you know, that there’s a level of violence that they tolerate.”

and then asked it to translate from Peaforbrains to English. And it answered

“It is an incomprehensible contradiction that the land of the free and the home of the brave has twice elected a draft-dodging war-mongering dictator-wannabe as its president”

But I didn’t elect him! I swear I never voted for Bush!!! ;)

(love the translation)

There’s a freakin’ level of violence that we’ve inflicted on them! Six hundred thousand Iraqis found it pretty goddamn intolerable, don’cha think?

What? He thinks it’s a cultural indiosyncracy that they put up with a level of violence that Americans just wouldn’t put up with in their gated suburban neighborhoods?

I am so ashamed. This turd is President of the United Strates!