
UPDATE: More on the source of the Foley e-mails: Republican. Long-time GOP person. Republican staffer from the Hill. Member of the GOP. Emphatically NOT a Democrat. Can we put this crap to bed now? Can the Republican leadership in the House and the wingut-o-sphere, just this once, pause for a moment to consider their accountability, and what they could have done — and ought to be doing — to protect the safety of the kids in the page program. And just this one time, actually take some real responsibility for a change instead of pointing fingers? (Hmmm…not holding my breath.)
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The Foley mess just got new legs. As if it needed them. And the Republican leadership has a lot of 'splaining to do. From the WaPo:
The staff member said Hastert's chief of staff, Scott Palmer, met with the Florida Republican at the Capitol to discuss complaints about Foley's behavior toward pages. The alleged meeting occurred long before Hastert says aides in his office dispatched Rep. John M. Shimkus (R-Ill.) and the clerk of the House in November 2005 to confront Foley about troubling e-mails he had sent to a Louisiana boy.
The staff member's account buttresses the position of Foley's onetime chief of staff, Kirk Fordham, who said earlier this week that he had appealed to Palmer in 2003 or earlier to intervene, after Fordham's own efforts to stop Foley's behavior had failed. Fordham said Foley and Palmer, one of the most powerful figures in the House of Representatives, met within days to discuss the allegations.
Palmer said this week that the meeting Fordham described "did not happen." Timothy J. Heaphy, Fordham's attorney, said yesterday that Fordham is prepared to testify under oath that he had arranged the meeting and that both Foley and Palmer told him the meeting had taken place. Fordham spent more than three hours with the FBI on Thursday, and Heaphy said that on Friday he contacted the House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct to offer his client's cooperation.
Well, I'm sure that Denny Hastert will want to clear that up with all those GOP supporters that started marching out to his defense on the "he only found out Friday" line of lies. Unless, of course, all those supporters already knew it was a crock…and wouldn't that be a good thing to look into for the press? (Is it me, or does everyone else sense a whole new round of finger-pointing in the works?)
Hey, Holy Joe, how you feeling about that if you criticize the GOP handling of this mess, you are just a mean old partisan message now? Moron. There is a reason your idiotic ego-driven faux bipartisanship image doesn't work well — it's because you always, always fall for the lies, and you drag the Democratic party down with your idiocy.
Hastert's Chief of Staff Palmer – and by extension Hastert, because what his CoS knows, the Speaker knows — have known about Foley's "issues" for years. Years. And yet you jumped to judgment to give Denny Hastert cover…why, exactly?Turncoat Joe, don't you dare wag that nagging finger in our faces ever again — all of those kids in the page program have been put as risk for the last few years, and you want to protect the GOP leaders who enabled it. "Holy" is NOT the adjective I'm thinking of as a modifier for you, this morning — and that goes for any parent reading this out there as well, I'm sure.
As for members of the press, can someone explain this:
Months ago, several major media outlets learned about troubling e-mails Rep. Mark Foley had sent to former pages — but they didn't feel they had enough information to go public with the story. Brian Ross of ABC News got the same information back in August — but he found a way to crack the scandal open.
Reporters and editors at Florida's St. Petersburg Times, The Miami Herald and the Fox News Channel all say they obtained e-mails that seemed to be between Rep. Mark Foley and a former congressional page — but that they didn't have enough to go public with the story….
And there it largely stood for nearly a year.
So, let me see…Fox News has had these e-mails for a year, but for the last couple of weeks they have fronted out Sean Hannity, faked a Democratic label for Foley on O'Reilly's show and the shrill brigade, including Gingrich, pretended that perhaps the Democrats planted this story for election purposes — knowing full well that this is a LIE, because they have had copies of these Foley e-mails for close to a year.
Could someone call them on this publicly please?!?
There are a series of articles out this morning which put the "GOP out of control" meme front and center. Eleanor Clift in Newsweek says that Americans are having serious trust issues with the Republican party. Howard Fineman asks the questions that all of us have been pondering all along:
Read the supposedly benign and ambiguous e-mails that the House leadership has known about for nearly a year. If they were so benign, why did they warn Foley to have no further contact with the boy in question? And if they did warn Foley, why didn’t they launch an investigation?
In my experience, if something like this raises enough of a red flag for you to issue a warning, then you have some understanding that there is a whole lot more. And when you add in the possible drunken trip to the page dorm that a GOP leadership member brought up on the leadership call last week, and the warnings that the WaPo is reporting this morning…well, you get a big, fat red flag, and a sense of how much CYA lying the Republican leadership has really been doing this week. Dissembling doesn't even begin to cover it as a descriptor.
The NYTimes reports this morning that this scandal is sapping the energy of the "values voters" that the GOP has spent the last few years snowing into supporting them. MSNBC just reported, via Mark Mabry of Newsweek, that their latest poll numbers put George Bush's approval rating at 33%, and that the Democrats are leading in moral values, terrorism, and a whole lot of other numbers across the board.
It sounds to me like a whole lot of folks across the country are thinking that we need to clean house — and that they have had enough. Now is the time to sign up to help a local candidate and to help get out the vote. More than ever before, the work needs to be done — for your family, for your community, for your nation.
It's time for some accountability — for all of the many, many lies. Had enough?
(H/T to reader cbl for the photo. Seemed appropriate, somehow, this morning…)
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FITZ!!!
Bwaahahahah!
It will be so delicious to see Hastert, Gingrich, and the rest of the neocons get busted for their hypocritical B.S. Party of family values, my ass. Can’t wait to see them go down in flames. Enough of their fake, self-righteous moral posturing.
And a new newsweek poll out. Something we haven’t heard in a long time. A NEW LOW!!! 33%, and Dems leading Reps in EVERY CATEGORY!!!
HERE: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15…../newsweek/
For those of faith, and those of us who are not, Glenn Greenwald has another well thought out piece;
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot…..ce-of.html
Christie: Great piece! Also the Wash post has something up (on Raw) indicating that there is another key figure – Trandahl- just let go, who is key in this. Pages considered Trandahl super scary, but I can’t tell if he was a good guy (reported on Foley) or bad guy in this. I think the fact that Kean came out against Hassert is telling.
But directly to your point, I think this is one of those (albeit all too rare) issues that the Dem leadership (Dean, Pelosi) should hit hard on in insisting that MSM is not only politically unbalanced, and out of cinque with the concerns of the country, but also is willing to stoop to lieing to achieve its ends.
And, speaking of which, the new Editor of the LA Times seems super scary right wingy. That whole sad business should also receive some more attention in the media. Note too the NYT ran its editorial on the NLRB decision against unions today (Sat – no readership day). And, David Brooks is seriously nuts these days.
I watched the Bill Moyers program a couple of nights ago. That plus Foleygate plus torture amendment plus signing statements gets too big to ignore, I think. It just keeps stacking up. I hope it topples over for republicans by election time.
Thanks Christy.
OT from TPM NRCC Sinks $7.8 Million In One Day Into 30 Tight Congressional Races
Slime time alert! The National Republican Congressional Committee yesterday sank a staggering $7.8 million into 30 critical House races across the country. CQ Politics reports that virtually all the cash — nearly 98% — is being spent in opposition to Dems; that is, on negative ads, mailers and the like. Of the 30 districts, all but three are currently held by the GOP. The CQ story also helpfully gives a detailed breakdown of each race and how much the NRCC spent on it — a detailed road map of which seats the NRCC views as being in serious danger. A full list of seats and expenditures after the jump.
So, is that new modifier for Lieberman you’re talking about something along the lines of “Cornholy Joe”?
We are filling out our absentee ballots this morning. And Mr. Sunshine just switched from CNN to the Animal Planet Channel.
We’ve Had Enough of over-talking Republipundits trying to drown out truth with blather. Tuning ‘em out. Just like the rest of America is doing.
’cause the facts speak for themselves.
the wapo article also goes on to explore the role that house clerk jeff trandahl played in the whole warning of foley. it notes that trandahl left his position as clerk under somewhat odd conditions right after the email revalation last year adding to the sense of mystery. as a commenter noted the other day, trandahl has a lot of questions to answer and may be central to figuring out who is telling the truth but has been no where to be found.
Excellent job!! Thanks for mentioning Hannity who was on radio blaming Ross for holding on to the story for month suggesting some sort of Democrat timing scheme devised by George Soros. Yet Hannity does not mention Fox had the e-mail for a year. Sad part is that many of his listeners will repeat Hannity’s nonsense as if it were the truth. Hey Faux News still think it is not news then do not cover the story? Faux News – part of the Republican coverup from the beginning. They are only covering it now to pass along Republican Party lies and propaganda and because their ratings would disappear.
Hokey Joe
I’m trying to figure out who is going to succeed in throwing whom under the bus. It’s like a GOP civil war (but of course, they won’t admit it’s a “civil war” – more like insurgents causing trouble that might lead up to the brink of a civil war).
Someone at dKos pointed out an interesting blog entry by Lawrence O’Donnell today. On HuffPo, he provides some very telling commentary about Palmer and Hastert:
You might want to read the entire blogpost. There is a fascinating last paragraph stating that the Republicans are keeping Hastert in the job because they don’t have anyone clean enough that can take the lead of the House.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..31171.html
Add this to another report on AmericaBlog saying that the White House is directly involved in managing the Republican House scandal: http://americablog.blogspot.co…..hread.html
Wow, it’s gonna be quite an interesting week in D.C.
LandOfTheFree @ 14
This scandal is in its last throes.
From Christy’s WaPo link: it sounds as though Trandahl and Fordham were the two who were most out front in trying to protect the pages from Foley. WaPo doesn’t sound sure though.
This graph sounds as though Trandahl lost his job as House Clerk, because he confronted Foley.
At the end of the WaPo story, the graph below appears to contradict the one above. It sounds as though Trandahl and Foley were involved.
My guess is that the first graph is more accurate. If Foley and Trandahl were so tight, why did Trandahl lose his job right after confronting Foley?
My other guess is that this second graph is Jim VandeHei and some others trying to “keep access” with the neocons. The last graph is a favor to them, because it makes Trandahl look bad. It continually reminds the reader of his orientation and then additionally makes him friends with Foley.
I think this is great, a morals scandal to bring the values party. With control of the house, and 2 years of investigation and exposing all the criminal acts will deal a serious blow to the present day Republician party.
It will be up to us keep the accountability going on the all memebers of the government, and set an example of what a true democracy is all about.
The town criers are now wired and connected. It’s amazing point in our history, and the first step is taking back control of the House next month.
Narrator on the Animal Planet show…
“the wolves have relearned how to take down the buffalo…’
with a nod to the poster on the last thread comparing Hastert to an old buffalo.
Firedogs, keep the spirit…our time is now.
Prairie Sunshine at 8:58 am
Great one!
darrelplant @
9
Are you threatening me? I need TP for my bunghole!
It looks to me like Scott Palmer will be the next to go. He’ll take the hit to protect Hastert like Libby did for Cheney. Just a guess.
dratty @ 4
How could it take all this to move the needle on the political gauge? Why is it so hard for Americans to see the crooks for who they really are?
All over the world, even former friends of the US feel that the country is managed by evil men with hideous purposes. No one is left to defend Bush. Perhaps John Howard in Australia. However Blair is nearly DoA, Aznar in Spain was voted out because of his support of Bush, and Harper in Canada cannot ally himself with Bush on any issue without his popularity dropping.
How is it so hard for the US to see itself in the mirror and get rid of these monsters? What is wrong? It wasn’t like this once upon a time.
PeteCO @ 15
This scandal is in its last throes.
Hang up a “Mission Accomplished” banner. Get that $20 million earmarked for victory celebrations for Iraq and Afghanistan, and use it for victory celebrations for the Republicans this fall.
hehehe
John Casper @ 16: the Republican plan is to try and make the “gay Republican cabal” look like they were covering up for Foley, and Hastert and other leaders were not told.
Someone on dKos posted yesterday that Trandahl had been planning to leave his position as House Clerk for months to take a job in the private sector – he wasn’t fired. I don’t know how accurate the story is, but if true, it would put a dent in the theory that Trandahl was fired for confronting Foley. (sorry, I’d give you a link to the dKos diary, but it wasn’t tagged properly and I can’t find it!)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..31171.html
Lawrence O’Donnell tells us that Scott Palmer lives with Dennis Hastert…
John Aravosis at Americablog seems to have some dirt and is debating whether to spill it… http://americablog.blogspot.co…..nared.html
OT– I laughted out loud this morning in the line at the grocery store. The National Inquirer says Clinton’s outburst at Chris Wallace the other week was induced by drugs…
I suppose Joe Lieberman thought the whole Monica affair was not a partisan issue.
He reminds me of a mouse late at night hidden somewhere gnawing on gawd knows what and nothing can be done about it until the (Ned) cat comes home or (election day) the sun rises.
Check out the “Lavender Bund” post over at Whiskey Bar, and also Brent Budowsky’s “Bigotry and Hypocrisy Implode: The Truth About Why Republicans Are Panicked!” over at The Huffington Post. Looks like, intentional or not, the gay trojan horse story is unfolding. Couldn’t happen to nicer people!
fwiw — I was told by people (Rs) who work on C. Hill that Fordham is well-liked and highly regarded.
LandOfTheFree @
14
Well, that oughta be real reassuring for folks – They’ve handled everything else so well.
You know, I thought on Friday that, as wounded as the GOP was, they had pretty much been able to contain the story. Boy was I off. Today, “The Washington Post” publishes that Trandahl is gay, and everyone is going out of their way to say that Hastert and Scott Palmer live together. (Wink wink nudge nudge. I’m waiting for them to say, “Scott Palmer, who is single and has never had a girlfriend…”) The “Gay Mafia” angle of this story is clearly starting to come out. But the funny thing is, I don’t think the “Gay Mafia” was enabling Foley, and I think it’s going to come out that some of them were actively trying to shut him down. Follow the storyline:
Kirk Fordham (openly gay, per ABC News) tried for years to get Foley to stop having contact with the pages. He confronted Foley about it. When that didn’t work, he went to Palmer about it (per Fordham and another unnamed aide). That didn’t work, either. It sounds like Fordham was literally following Foley around at events to try to keep him from jumping young men. Ultimately, for reasons that have never been mentioned, he left Foley’s office to work with Reynolds. (Hill Watchers: Is this typical? How often does the CoS of a sitting Congressman go to work for another Congressman?) These aren’t the actions of an enabler. These are the actions of someone who’s desperately trying to alert people to a problem.
Then there’s Trandhal (also gay, per the WaPo). We don’t know too much about him, but he sounds like a hard ass. The pages say he was pretty strict, at least. Alexander came to him with the e-mails. As a gay man, he knew this was more than an “overly friendly” exchange. What did he do about it? We still don’t know. But we do know that he didn’t keep his job for very long afterwards. I’d guess that means he wasn’t going to try very hard to cover this up.
So we have two “Gay Mafia” members that we know of, but I don’t see either of them orchestrating a huge cover-up here. I see two gay men trying to alert people to the problem behavior of a third gay man. What’s everyone else’s take?
Tell me again what Gannon was doing in the White House.
Oh how quickly the reporting on Cunningham’s prostitution service disappeared.
Oh, and FYI for everyone who was looking for a snail mail addy: we’ve got one set up and it’s located to the right in the margin bar, in the donation box for Marcy’s book. Thought I’d mention it in case anyone was still wondering about this — you ask, we set it up. :)
Cozumel @ 21
Thanks Coz.
Any speculation on whether the WH knew about the Foley cover-up?
WAG Alert: If the WH really didn’t know about Foley, I would think they want Hastert gone, so they could look tough and decisive. AFAIK, a weakened Hastert, in play, works better for the Dems than his resignation. It keeps one more aspect of this mushrooming story in play.
OT about suggesting the WH knew, CREW gave the FBI emails three months ago. The fact that the FBI didn’t jump all over it is certainly consistent with WH interference.
End WAG Alert.
OT, long time ago, in spite of the fact that you’re a Demon Deacon, you suggested I back off the Duke LaX story. Thanks.
Frank Probst @ 29
I’m with you – this isn’t a “gay” scandal (though that’s what the GOP wants to turn it into). The scandal is sexual predatory behavior and coverup. People who were concerned alert leadership about Foley’s actions, and the leadership covered it up. I believe that most of the public will see that.
Just out of curiosity, why do you think Jonathan Weisman found it necessary to include this information in the WaPo article?
??
Watched the McLaughlin Group last night and even Tony Bloviately had a somber resigned tone in re the elections. It’s obvious they all know of a myriad of shoes that could drop adding flames to this story. It’s far from over. Was almost funny watching Pat tap dance around issues of homosexuality.
Does that truck have caramel popcorn? I need a bucket.
Christy– Try to be as understated as Bill Murrey as Dustin
Hoffman’s friend and roommate in Tootsie. The soap opera is
crashing in flames. Murrey watchs in awe.
LandOfTheFree @ 33
I’m interested to see what the koolaid guzzlers reaction will be when it dawns on them that the party they’ve been cheerleading all these years has so many gays in leadership positions.
Heads exploding in Witchita, and many other places.
Singletz!
Wayne Madsen, normally to be read with skepticism, notes today:
Maybe this ain’t so far-fetched given his … ahem … “living arrangements”.
I was also curious to see Kevin Drum report on Thursday that a friend e-mailed him that “there are two more Republican members about to get swept up in this thing”. Kevin Drum doesn’t normally deal in rumors bubbling just below the surface. It seems gay-cabal and pedophilic- cabal stories are being pushed awfully hard and the dam might indeed soon break.
Gay mafia? What, are they gonna break into Hastert’s apartment and redecorate it? Didn’t know Tony Soprano liked show tunes.
As Robin Williams says in “Man of the Year:”
Politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed often and for the same reason.
From TPM: a great meme-buster
“Someone on dKos posted yesterday that Trandahl had been planning to leave his position as House Clerk for months to take a job in the private sector – he wasn’t fired.”
From the Seatte Times
I’d be interested in people’s take on this. AFAIK, Clerk of the House sounds like a pretty salty operations job.
On the other hand,
I’m interested in other opinions, because I’m not very knowledgeable about the House Clerk or the NFWF.
Alison @9:05
Most of us are so busy these days just trying to survive. That’s the way our “leaders” like it. Did you know that there are five public schools in New Orleans where the children are sharing text books (in many cases, six students per book)? An ignorant population is much easier to control than a bunch of poor, educated troublemakers, dontcha know?
The more people pay attention, the more they see the connections with this administration and their day to day struggles. I’ve found these connections to be the best way to talk to people who don’t pay attention to politics.
LandOfTheFree @ 33
i agree, the attempts by repubs to add the “gay mafia” angle to this story just seems to backfire in a couple of ways. it makes hastert, et al and the original “why would we think they were anything more than friendly emails” claim fall apart if they are now saying that all their gay staffers recognized it for what it was and were covering for foley. and i have to question the wisdom of blaming this whole “network of homosexuals” within the gop ranks since it just draws attention to the fact that there IS a whole network of homosexuals working behind the scenes. is it really going to help these guys with conservatives to expose all their gay staffers? doesn’t that just add to the idea that they are all shielding “perverts”.
I keep thinking about the purported pedophile ring of the Bush I administration…. Could this be its uncovering? The press shut the story down back then for some reason.
Updated the post above, gang, just FYI. And I wanted to be sure that everyone knew that Bob Geiger has the Saturday funnies up.
pol @ 24
Holy Shit. Yesterday I was thinking, all this Repub push back about the Dem’s being anti-gay on this. I thought, the Dems should stop this, oh it’s not about the gays, and instead say: What have you got to fear. Why is it exactly that you think the left is being anti-gay? Caught with your pants down – much?
Rumors I have been hearing about the leaker are Rodney Alexander’s former staffer, who was disgusted that this wasn’t getting dealt with here. She pushed it to be dealt with, didn’t and then walked.
John Casper @ 32
An unidentified individual at the FBI said that the CREW e-mails were heavily redacted, which Crew denies vigorously backed up by the evidence.
I’m hoping Hookergate gets some new attention. Prostitutes, CIA honchos, poker, a guy named Dusty Foggo, all at the Watergate hotel. Man, that would be the cherry on this sundae! Especially if it turns out that the reason the story vaporized a few months back was nefarious…
Christy Hardin Smith @
45
Curiouser & curiouser. What caught my eye was”D.C.-based media organizations declined to report on the e-mails. But one, ABC News, reported on the e-mails last week after a Weblog, stopsexpredators.blogspot.com, published a few of the exchanges between Foley and the former page.” and “The creator of stopsexpreditors.blogspot.com is unknown. An interview request e-mailed to the site was not returned.”
Deep Throat?
Also, on the Gay bashing. Remember one of the things that Rove and the Repubs keep doing is to attack us in the areas they are most vulnerable – Kerry on being a Vietnam hero, and many others. Ditto, the push on anti-gay values w. the right wing voters. With Mehlman, Gannon, Foley, Rove, and perhaps Bush and Hassert this may very may be the deep dirt that they have been covering all along. Is there pedophilia involved too (prob not – hopefully not). But we may very well have hit the bottom of the pail of the Repub dynasty — and it seems to be leaking shit very fast.
It’s a beautiful day in Ohio, especially with the news in this great post–thanks, Christy. This morning, at our local farmers’ market, my husband ran into a GOP neighbor who writes copy for Rove’s mail efforts. They have a joshing relationship about political diffs, so my husband asked how he was feeling now. “It’s the Dems year,” he shrugged. “Nothing I do will make any difference now.” This, from a major partisan. Love it!
Aww, heck, one of my posts is caught in moderation. It mentioned *ookergate, *rostit*tes, a guy named Dusty, late night p*ker games…
is this a cover-up? :)
Foley>Hastert>Boehner>Rove>Bush>Cheney. From bottom feeder to top-bottom feeder.
After the Democratic take back in a few weeks, we’ve got to concentrate on a good candidate to replace Bush. Clark, Feingold, Gore. Who else?
If there were multiple instances of Foley being talked to as is being reported then the whole line of the reps dropping it because of one Page and at the families request completely falls apart
Oklahoma kiddo @ 53
Gore/Feingold in 08. Save the US, and the world.
More on gay scandal. I remember checking out Gannon/Guckert’s website a couple of days ago, and it was heavy into how the Dems are pushing this into an anti-gay thing. I thought – strange, this is his take. But I think this is paydirt.
And (O.T), then we also have the Susan Ralston firing. I don’t think it is only about Abramoff; She may be being thrown under the bus on the Plame case.
Oklahoma Kiddo (54), your forgot Senator Clinton!
As much as I love Feingold, and I truly do, he isn’t going to be president. A Wisconsin twice divorced secularist Jew is not going to win in our current climate. He would be good on the bottom of a ticket though. It would rally the base especially if we get some geographical balance going. Like a Warner/Feingold type ticket.
The FBI’s handling of the Foley situation seems to suggest either that they are being used as a political tool or are dangerously incompetent. (or both) They waited five days from Foley’s resignation before sending a preservation letter. How much evidence was lost?
Thanks, very interesting.
Only if you feel comfortable commenting more, is she the one who leaked it to Brian Ross at ABC?
Some estimates on how long they will hold out:
Fordham: should be spilling the beans on Palmer, Hastert and Reynolds in about 2 days.
Trandahl: hard to pin down, about one week until he talks about Fordham and Palmer
Palmer: tight lipped, will talk after being confronted with Fordham, Trandahl testimony, about 10 days from now
Shimkus: Needs some more spotlight, which he will get in about a week. Will be removed from his position as congressional page supervisor.
Reynolds: Hangs on tooth and nails on his cluelessness about the affair. Will take a good two weeks to get him to change his tune. Will have to give up his leaderhip role in the GOP.
Boehmer: Will distance himself from every allegation, will talk after Reynolds, maybe in about 3 weeks, will then give up his leadership role in Congress
Hastert: we may have his resignation after Palmer talks, say in about two weeks.
Additional congressional staff: interspersed from now until Boehmer resigns his leadership role.
Additional Republican Congressmen: Who knows!
Throw in the Baseball playoffs – should be a most enjoyable three weeks.
Sally @ 57
I assumed that was intentional ;)
Bill, hit f5. Sheesh, all those nasty words that represent what the Thugs have been hiding for years will get you caught in the spam filter for being naughty.*g* Judicious use of * is advised for the remainder of the thread.
Warner wont be able to ward off Hillary because they are both triangulatin’ for the middle. jmho
This Hillary remark is dedicated to kiddo. HT sally *s*
PeteCO (64), I just could not resist.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 55
At the risk of being Yelled off this site, I think a great pair would be Obama and Edwards. Both are pro union – and eloquent, one N and one S, both nice families. They seem to have that quality of both Clinton and Carter in being charismatic and “speaking to the people.” Granted Obama has disappointed many, but…. I still can’t warm up to Gore (no pun intended). He still comes across as know it all and elitist. Finegold is fabulous, but perhaps would be seen as just too liberal. Clark is possible, but as I said, I like the sound of
trifecta @ 58
Great comment about Feingold. As I am sure you’re aware, he doesn’t agree. He’s exploring a run, which imo, helps pull other Dems back, a little closer to the middle.
My take is he would be more valuable to the Country in the Senate, hopefully as Majority Leader, than as Veep, jmo.
Thanks, Mommybrain!
Turns out the current Clerk of the House (who took over from Trandahl) comes from the town I live in. Don’t know her, though. I’m going to ask around, see who does…
Sally @ 65
Unlike much of the electorate, I feel.
Sally @
67
That’s what HE said. /rimshot
Titanyum at 9:53
I hope you’re right. Is that the line in Vegas?
I’d love to see Boehner go down. He’s the worst of the bunch imho.
Reynolds is already losing in the most recent polls in his district.
I don’t know if it’s even remotely possible if either Boehner or Hastert could lose on November 7.
What a bunch of characters. I love it!
Richmond (68), not Obama. Edwards for Secretary of Labor. Let’s look at North Dakota’s Senator Dorgan. He has been fighting the good fight for years with little fanfare or recognition.
By the way, gang — Joe Sestak will be our guest for Blue America today. Please stick around and give him a huge FDL howdy — he’s about to beat the living crap out of Curt Weldon if we have anything to say about it — and that will be awfully sweet indeed. :)
Titanyum @ 63
Both Fordham and Trandahl have lawyered up so it’s highly unlikey you’ll hear another peep out of them
John @ #71
Totally agree, Boehner is Delay Lite.
I don’t know much about Obama, but he gets a lot of criticism here. Maybe he started listening, because he ripped the GOP in Peoria of all places….
Obama: Focus should be on pages, not politics
Anyone from Peoria or thereabouts, who can add a little local context?
Christy & FDLers en fuego!!
This is all so rich I’ve gained thirty pounds and all my teeth have fallen out just reading this thread. I also feel tipsy on Dom Perignon and Kate Winslet just agreed to marry me. I also won the lottery.
DAMN!
GO DENNY! GO HOLY JOE! DON’T STOP, DON’T STOP!
Personally, I say a big ‘no’ to Obama. Sorry. He sounds like another lieberman to me and I do not trust he has the dem party’s best interest at heart. He has presidential stars in his eyes and he is tending his ‘cross-over’ garden.
“Holy” is NOT the adjective I’m thinking of as a modifier for you, this morning
Oh, it works just fine. As long as you prefix it with “ass-”…
Bill Clinton gave a campaign speech for Joe Sestak Thursday, which C-SPAN showed yesterday. Clinton made some great points, as usual.
Snark. About the possibility a woman gave the Republicans the Foley heave-ho, it seems that women step forward for truth and justice when men will not. Ted Turner was right when he said men should be barred from elected office for the next 100 years. Maybe longer, Ted?
Sally @ 75
It is a fun discussion to have. Illinois is bigger (and more politically key) than S.D. Sorry its the facts. I would love Leahy – but ditto.
I liked Obama after reading his autobiography, but since being elected he’s starting to look lke our very own Ken “Nighthorse” Salazar.
As important as 2008 is making sure the neocons do not do for Iraq what their forefathers did for Vietnam. That is, after Vietnam, it was said that the protestors were to blame, that we could have won if we had just killed more of the enemy, and that the left-wing dove politicians couldn’t be trusted with the serious business of war. This is the ground that Rice and others are plowing now.
We need to note for the record, forcefully and now (before the D’s take both houses of Congress), that the failure in Iraq is already clear, and that it was one of Republican makings. There was no way to win with the forces we have available, and the hawks went in without an exit plan. The left has been completely cut out from the decisions in Iraq. The failure is not due to doves. Bush, et al., had a blank check, arrogated enormous power, went through hundreds of billions of dollars, and still failed to stop Al Qaeda and the Taliban, worsened the security of the United States, and lit the fuse on the powderkeg in the Middle East. This is what the raw exercise of force produced. The military option failed, and it has failed before the Democrats regained power.
We can’t let them change the story, or there will be new Cheney’s and Rumsfeld’s arising from these ashes.
Sharkbabe @ 80
I’m with you Grandma J – fifty pretty Obamas still don’t add up to a single Feingold.
What the hell does it TAKE to get these people to say “liar” and “un American” and “clearly unfit” and “disgrace” and “looted our treasury for their corrupt cronies” and….
OT: I’ve been meaning to mention this the past few days, but I haven’t been on for long lately when many others are around — Ms. Redshift got the results from the rest of her biopsies this week, and she’s in the clear on all of them. (Still hurting from the surgery on the last one, though.)
She wanted me to thank Mommybrain and others who sent good thoughts and support; she needed it.
This story needs to keep leaking in little drips day in and day out. Each drip compounds the Republican agony.
I am opposed to torture but each drip will be just deserts.
GrandmaJ @ 81
Bad on you for putting him with Lieberman. No way would he support Iraq and Iran bombing. Ya he has Prez stars, we need fire in the belly is good (’member Gore and Kerry?!), and ya, we need to get serious ‘cross-overs’ if we are going to win this thing. …just saying… (but again, fun to have this discussion because there seem to be quite a few viable people).
Redshift @ 89
congratulations on her – and your – good news!
Redshift,
Glad to hear the good news report on Ms. Redshift!
Oh, and Go Webb!
Redshift @ 87
Wonderful news! I’m sorry I missed the initial announcement. Thanks for sharing the good news with us. We sink or swim togehter.
Richmond @ 57
Speaking of which, did anyone catch Gannon/Guckert on Randi Rhodes a couple of days ago? Did he say anything interesting? I’m assuming not, since I haven’t heard anyone mention it, but I was wondering.
Great news Redshift!
IF the Dems win one or both houses, and IF they’ve got the cojones to investigate BushCo, and IF impeachment/prosecution/imprisonment are the result, as they SHOULD be, the Dems could run my cat in 08 and win. IF.
Obam was very impressive at the convention with his speech, but he has been underwhelming with the courage of his convictions. I’d prefer somebody who was afraid to stand up for his or her principles. Like Gore (now). Like Edwards. Like Clark.
Sally @ 83
IIRC, a woman at Enron broke open their conspiracy.
There were some productive, respectful discussions about the social and group dynamics that allow women to retain (more of) their ethics and autonomy (than men – on “average” – seem to retain) in group process and group identification.
PS – My inner nerd wonders if future wordpress versions might support footnotes. I’d consume fewer parentheses.
If the Rethug free-market crowd ever get their hands on punctuation marks, the first sign will skyrocketing prices for question markets.
When you and all of your friends are criminals, it helps to make questions prohibitively expensive.
PPS – Wonder if the pages who haven’t yet come forward are intimidated by the need (and costs) for “lawyering up”?
A foundation to help survivors of Congressional (- R) pedophiles could help with legal and where needed mental health/counseling needs.
Hmmm. Financial assets (or access to those with same) and a strong record of protecting survivors of abuse.
Somewhere in the blogworld, I hope the folks with those backgrounds meet and quickly start some public group to defray the pages’ legitimate financial needs due to Congressional pedophilia and cover-ups
Thanks for relating the excellent news Redshift – hugs to you and yours
Redshift @ 89. Wonderful!
Sharkbabe @
80
LOL
Richmond 84), Dorgan: North Dakota. North or South probably doesn’t change your point. David Sirota has a 13 Sep 06 article entitled “The Prairie Populist Byron Dorgan” at http://www.inthesetimes.com I came across while verifying North versus South.
MFM @ 88
Completely agree.
This story isn’t going anywhere. The allegedly Xtian right is as interested as we are and stories like this drive ratings. That gives the Traditional Media all the license they need to dig, dig, dig. The only place to hide is behind, “there’s an ongoing investigation and I can’t comment.” Boehner, Hastert, and Reynolds can’t go there, because they’re already on the record saying they don’t know anymore than they’ve already said.
Early this AM, it sounded as though the WH response was to saber rattle around North Korea. I guess they figured picking on Iran would remind everyone of Woodward’s STATE OF DENIAL.
It occurs to me that directly answering the GOP lie about the Democrats being “responsible” for this is another distraction-trap.
Any time that’s mentioned, I think we need to quickly dismiss it as an obvious lie, and go straight on to “do you really think that how we found out about it is more important than what happened to these kids?”
So WHY won’t Big Dog go kick some ass for Ned?
Sorry but he’s in my big doghouse for this.
yay, Redshift!
kirk murphy @ 97
Enron whistleblower condemns Lay
Sherron Watkins
Redshift @ 82
Oh, WONDERFUL!
Redshift @
95
He bailed. Made some excuse and f*ing bailed. Chickenshit. I caught the tail end of her rant about it.
punaise, I can tell, you’ve been rooting for the A’s.
Twisted Martini @
40
Redshift @ 104, I don’t know if you saw this, but this is THE pushback.
PeteCO @ 97
I assume your cat is a Democrat. And carry’s no political ‘baggage’. If truth were told, though she will deny it, I suspect my cat has fascist tendencies. I base this notion on the fact she always has to have her own little authoritarian way, and is ruthless in pursuit of her goals.
Sharkbabe @ 106
Has to do with Hillary and Jewish vote in NY I bet.
John Casper @ 111
always true to my Giants (who flamed out down the stretch), but heck yeah: go A’s!
Sharkbabe (106). I suspect Bill Clinton did some serious harm to Lamont’s campaign when he campaigned for that other guy. Just didn’t make sense at my level of understanding. And where is Hillary? Can only hope they are not throwing Ned under the bus.
Thanks for all the well-wishes! You guys are the best!
Now that our furnace guy has come and fixed things up, I’ve gotta get out and finish the last bit of my canvassing for today, and then I’m off to a fundraiser for Andy Hurst (VA-11, working to take down Tom Davis)! See you guys later!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 112
All true for my cat, but she is very pretty, and that’s what counts.
I would think that the Foley mess would help Ned, in that it would depress Rethug turnout.
We need to do a list of PredatorGate Myths and Facts, and constantly update it. That will save us time when it comes to debunking the GOP/Media Complez’s bullshit.
my cat would be driven out of the race by the discovery of compromising photos from his (recent) past.
Hey *ilson, did you buy Foleygate.com, or GOPgate.com? You can add them to your on-line empire.
Twisted Martini @ 119
Especially since the Republicans’ favored candidate (Lieberman [CFL-NAMBLA]) isn’t doing anything to help himself in this.
Re Obama: I think he is a genuine “centrist.” That is, he can’t help it. It’s who he is. He’s not doing it for political expediency like all the others (of which we are so familiar). He does it because it’s what his brain tells him to do. I don’t think he could be any other way.
And love him or hate him, he’s the best orator in the Dem. Party.
Bil at 86 – Hear!Hear!
I laugh every time I hear them call a Dem a communist or a feminazi because it just shows how out of touch they are but still, it’s galling. It’s gonna be hard for me to listen to people talk about how bad this all is without saying “Where have you been for the last 5 years?!?” but I’m gonna do it cuz I want them there, with me, with all of us, in November.
Told ya so is sshweet.
Maybe Clinton (Bill) also doesn’t want it to seem like too-obvious payback for Joe’s Lewinsky backstabbing
Dang these D’s and their obsessive perception-mongerings
Plus Shortride goddamn DESERVES payback for Lewinsky backstabbing!!!
Phoenix Woman @ 119
That’s a good idea. It’s already getting as complicated as Plamegate, at least to my non-legal mind.
lina @ 124
He’s a pragmatist, and we’ll need one. No one will be able to stand on all their principles and still muck this stable out.
John Casper (108), a female reporter for the Wall Street Journal or some financial magazine broke the Enron story because she couldn’t understand the footnotes (?) and went to Enron in search of an explanation. I’m not sure whether this was before or after Sharon Watkins came forward. Good women, both.
but she is very pretty
In our sometimes seemingly quixotic quest to save the world, let’s not forget what it’s all about.
Redshift, I haven’t seen you to say hurrah for Mrs. Redshift. ((((both of you))))
Punaise, I’m getting a kitten just like yours on Oct. 21. He will be 8 weeks old. I’m very excited.
Since we returned Kittaine, the siamese, to his family, we’ve adopted 2 older cats. One is a ginger stripey but scared of our shadows so we never see him unless we get up to pee in the middle of the night and there he is, wanting pets. The other is a fast-shrinking former 20 lb.-er (he’s down to 17 in about a month).
Boy, are they gonna be surprised when the kitten shows up.
punaise @ 120
I’ll raise you;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/o…..294912333/
and;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/o…..294912333/
Neither of these is the cat I’m planning on running.
Foley: The gift that keeps on giving.
Mommybrain @ 128
yes indeed.
OT – that’ll be the day:
Alas, smoking is deeply ingrained in French culture, as anyone who’s sat through dinner in a bistro can attest. I’ll be impressed if this ban actually holds.
Richmond @ 68
I’ll say this much for Edwards, he was one of the first Dems to appear in public with Lamont to show his support.
Sharkbabe @ 129
http://www.flickr.com/photos/o…..294912333/
This is what it’s all about.
Phoenix Woman @ 120
Fantastic idea, PhoenixWoman.
I heard Gary Lankford from the Ohio Restoration Project speak last night. You can read some of what he said here if you’d like to know what makes these people tick…
(Mentioned this in a previous thread, but I’ve written up more of it now.)
Wonder how many of the pages Foley (and others?) abused haven’t yet come forward because they can’t afford attorneys?
Wonder how much more the voters would know if Congressional pages knew they didn’t have to pay the attorney fees?
A foundation to help survivors of Congressional (- R) pedophiles could help with legal and where needed mental health/counseling needs.
Hmmm. Financial assets (or access to those with same) and a strong record of protecting survivors of abuse.
Somewhere in the blogworld, I hope the folks with those backgrounds meet and quickly start some public group to defray the pages’ legitimate financial needs due to Congressional pedophilia and cover-ups.
(this started as a late pps to a comment “upstream”, hence the repost. apologies for postscript whoring.)
lina @ 124
Yup. And I think he is smart – both broadly and politically. I sense someone who spent a fair amount of his teen years debating. He was really quick on his feet in a teevee interview (w Russert?) I saw soon after the Dem convention. B. Clinton, similarly is quick on his feet. Plus, unlike so many others (H. Clinton, Biden, for ex), you don’t get a sense of him thinking in response to each Q (what should I say for political reasons) you get a sense of his honestly engaging and searching his soul. I think viewers (voters) pick up on that.
Foleygate .com .org .net .us are all taken already … oh well
PeteCO @ 132
OK, fair enough, but my cat is under-age. and he does his own version of the roast chicken.
punaise @ 121
Nice pic! This is obviously quite the ‘man about town’. “Compromising photos”? He apparently is not concerned with discretion.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 143
some day soon we’re going to have to tell him that he is adopted… and neutered.
the rude one is in good form:
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
ten pranks you can play on a child predator.
kirk murphy @ 139
The current campaign by Drudge and Hannity to blame the pages is as much about intimidation as it is about politics. Dare come forward and have your life, and your family’s life turned upside down.
I must be totally off base because I put Obama in the same presidential bucket as Evan Bayh and that is a bucket I would rather set on a shelf.
punaise @
142
UNDER-AGE? What did Nancy Pelosi know? And when did she know it?
lina @ 145
Good stuff.
GrandmaJ @ 147
Evan Bayh is just plain boring.
Obama is too new. I’ll give him some years.
Evan won’t improve. Obama will.
lina @ 134
So where would this pragmatist be on Iraq, Iran, Israel-Palestine, North Korea, and terror? What would be his attitude toward China and India? Where is he on energy? What would he do about global warming? He voted for the extension of the most egregious parts of the Patriot Act. Where is he on personal liberties? Making a few speeches about beinging us together, on religion in American life, and in defense of the family just doesn’t do it for me. He needs to show me some kind of a record and aside from the bill he cosponsored on setting up a website to monitor federal contracts he has shown me nothing.
OK, fair enough, but my cat is under-age.
Punaise, can you get a picture of him under-a-page?
punaise @ 144
Now there you’ve gone and popped my bubble. I had this image of your cat being not only a gad about town, but rather fancying himself a sophisticate with the ladies. A puttin’ on the ritz type of guy. And rather a bon vivant. If you will.
This part from the Washington Post article deserves some discussion about how to get the TM to do their job:
A good reporter would ask who on the committee asked that “no one” should discuss the coverup because of its “ongoing investigation.”
First, it’s unlikely that anybody said that.
Second, if someone said it, it’s rubbish.
Sally @ 127
Yes, you are correct, it was long before Sharon Watkins, it was Bethany MacLean, from Fortune Magazine. Bethany is smart and she was writing negative articles about Skilling’s questionable accounting practices. Fastow went out to meet with her and she and her peers quickly figured out that he was an idiot in terms of the Economics. He was a one trick pony with those “special purpose entities,” and I don’t think Bethany knew about that part early on, no one did. There were a whole range of things Skilling did to drive the stock price. MacLean wrote: “Smartest Guys in the Room.”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 153
sorry to ruin it for you. he doesn’t even have any etchings to entice the lady cats upstairs to see.
sigh: cats (and kids) do grow up so fast these days…
Mommybrain @ 152
hah! he’d never sit still for that….unless asleep
Hear on NPR Wait Wait Don’t Tell Me this AM:
Q How do you seperate the men from the boys?
A Mid-term elections
Mack @ 158
ouch….
Time to Clean House! has been one of Diane Benson’s themes in her bid to unseat Don Young, the third-ranking GOP member of the House of Representatives. She has been outspent 25 to one, yet she is closer in the (secret, Young-funded) polls to Young than Ned Lamont is to Joe Lieberman.
Right now, Diane Benson is in Fairbanks, where a groundswell of anti-GOP sentiment is taking over the town. It all started late last summer with Donald Rumsfeld’s fiasco of a meeting with the families of Stryker Brigade soldiers who have had their deployment to Iraq extended. Since the extension, the brigade has lost a half dozen troopers dead and dozens horribly injured.
Here’s one of the things going on in Fairbanks:
The Fairbanks North Star Borough Assembly postponed action on a resolution calling for the immediate resignation of federal Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld after taking three hours of public comment Thursday.
As it did last week after first being proposed, the resolution drew scores of residents to the borough’s downtown administrative headquarters.
The assembly took comment from military veterans and former local officials, and with many still waiting to speak before the assembly’s 11:30 p.m. meeting deadline, assembly members decided to extend the issue–to take new comments and a vote–to a special meeting on Wednesday at 6 p.m.
http://newsminer.com/2006/10/06/2537/
Doiane Benson has received no money from either the DNC or the DCCC. Here’s a link to a petition which has been started to attempt to pry $ loose for her campaign:
http://www.petitiononline.com/…..ition.html
Again, Diane Benson and her housecleaning broom are closer to Don Young than is Ned Lamont to Joe Lieberman – even though Young has spent about $1.2 million to Benson’s $50K!
God I love the Rude P. He should almost be a role model for one-upping Rove audaciousness.
Evan Bayh = utter lameass muthafucka. No he doesn’t even deserve muthafucka. Total emblem of Dem as Rove slave.
The Titanic has just sunk!
Rumors have been swirling about another Congressman involved in the Foley mess (& not just the cover-up). AmericaBlog has been speculating about it…and now the Huffington Post launches the torpedo! According to Laurence O’Donnell:
“If Fordham did warn Palmer about Foley a long time ago, what are the odds that Palmer did not tell Hastert? As close to zero as you can get. Many chiefs of staff are close, very close, to their bosses on Capitol Hill. But none are closer than Scott Palmer is to Denny Hastert. They don’t just work together all day, they live together.” Yeah. Live together…! See the whole blog at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..31171.html
Sorry if someone else above has mentioned this bombshell, but Denny Hastert, the fabled wrestling coach of yore) is sinking…FAST! And fat men usually float…
lina @ 150
John Casper (155), thank you for that. Ms. MacLean appeared quite often on PBS explaining what she knew about Enron, and I saw her interviewed by Brian Lamb but could not remember her name or the details. Her early reporting takes nothing away from Sharon Watkins who risked so much by telling what she knew about Enron’s accounting practices.
trifecta @
60
“our current climate” is a good reason for Feingold to have a chance at becoming president. when you take that approach to eliminate, even from consideration, one of the best, most courageous politicians we have, you come close to sounding like a concerned troll. i don’t think that you actually are one so why don’t you leave the gates open for anyone as worthwhile as Feingold to at least have a shot at the nomination? Russ Feingold. A president all America can be proud of.
In my above comment (163 – I can’t figure out how to do the immed post edits). What I was going to say was that – Yes it is true that Obama is young/new and that might speak to waiting. But, the longer one is in the house/senate the more complex the votes (good or bad) become for someone hoping to run for President. I think he is as ready now as he would be in 10? years when he might have a 2nd chance. — And speaking of possible future candidates – Eliott Abrams sure to be the new Gov of NY
Just Asking @ 162
Yah, we have been discussing it. But, what we haven’t taken up is the wrestling coach thing. In the priest abuse stuff, quite a bit on wrestling coaches. Homoerotic sport potential – esp with perverts.
Edward! Music! Alaska!
Among best thing of my now ex-band was Davi from Alaska – seriously capable AK country woman – gave me huge appreciation
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has an article today entitled “Jeb Bush gets rude welcome.” Jeb was in Pittsburgh for a Santorum fundraiser. “…the governor was ushered into a T-station supply closet and stayed there until the crowd left.” (This from Josh’s Talking Points Memo. I tried a link above that didn’t work so no link here.)
Ed*ard Teller @
161
I wanted to sign the petition but came across this:
Eligible signatories: Residents of Alaska
Per Sally at 11:26 from TPM
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Can anyone local confirm this?
It’s just like Rove to try and make the GOP the victim here of the rabid lambs of the left.
OT But within the week there was a pix up (Huffington?) of the cardboard cutouts of Iraqi soldiers given to soldiers by the Gov to serve as family stand-ins while the parent is in service. When I first saw the photo, I thought it was someone missing arms and legs (ie someone maimed in combat thanks to Bushies). The image is rich in visual import – 2d versus 3d, flattened view of reality, Bush maiming the country, silenced victims etc. etc. Might be interesting to pick that visual up again when we decide to re-insert the Iraq travesty into the political debate.
punaise,
I missed that. Some of the signatories aren’t Alaska residents. I’ll make ANY doggies who sign the petition HONORARY ALASKANS. go ahead and sign!
I got an EPU copy of this post pulled from Howie’s Sestak post above for being OT, and am highly pissed…….
John Casper @ 172
Richmond (175), the comments on the article in HuffingtonPost are hilarious. There’s a picture of Jeb, too. Don’t know if it was taken at the fundraiser.
Ed*ard Teller @ 174
OK, I’ll be a virtual AK resident for today.
Re the OT pull above: I think it’s out of respect for the guest candidate to stay on topic and be polite. Plus, those live-blogging sessions tend to bombard the candidate with excellent questions so it’s hard for them to keep up as it is. The one time I caught some flack in a session like that (it was actually the Soros book club discussion) was because i didn’t adequately explain an on-topic link that appeared to be out of the blue and OT. I say this as one who exercised restraint and has on occasion nudged others to keep the language clean in those sessions (hi Sharkbabe!).
http://www.comedycentral.com/s…..emId=76297
Cornholijoe!
Would you like some V.P. for your pushpoll? Huhhuhhuhhuh.
;>)
John Casper @ 172
Jeb Bush, even as we speak, is being groomed to one day control this country. The Bush clan believe strongly, that they were born to rule. The Bush’s think they are a ‘breed apart’.
Oklahoma kiddo @
180
Bring him on…I’m sure the country would love a nice long look at the hanky-panky he has contributed to.
Little things like aiding Cuban terrorists…Commandeering state police to flout the law…Voter suppression…Espousing rank hypocrisy at every turn…You know, the usual Bush criminal family fraudulence, mendacity, and swindling.
Nothing out of the ordinary
;>)
CLEAN HOUSE!
GET ‘EM OUT!
http://www.thisisfubar.com/
Play it loud and sing along!
the following is rattling around the email groups and blogs in florida….wonder if it will be picked up by the MSM…
October 3, 2006 — Informed sources in Tallahassee, Florida have told WMR [Wayne Madsen Report] that Governor Jeb Bush was fully aware of ex-Rep. Mark Foley’s conduct with underage male pages but sat on the information to protect Foley and another top GOP Florida official, Attorney General Charlie Crist, who is currently running for governor to replace Bush. Today, Jeb Bush said he had not previously known about Foley’s behavior with the pages before being informed by House Speaker Dennis Hastert in a letter dated October 1, 2006. Bush said he was “dismayed and shocked to learn about Congressman Foley’s unacceptable behavior.”
However, according to our Florida sources, the FBI and Justice Department informed the Florida Governor’s office, Attorney General Crist, and the Florida AG’s Child Protection Cybercrime Unit at least a year ago about Foley’s predatory emails and instant messages. WMR was told that Crist’s conflict-of-interest in the case stems from Crist’s and Foley’s involvement in gay sex parties, some of which took place during 2003 in trendy Coconut Grove, Florida.
Foley scandal reverberating in Florida gubernatorial race. Left to right: Crist, Foley, and Jeb Bush.
Informed Florida sources claim that up until now, Crist and Jeb Bush have been able to keep a lid on the once-divorced Crist’s life style, touting his conservative Christian credentials, but that the Foley revelations will severely impact the Crist gubernatorial campaign. The links between Foley and Crist are certain to harm Crist with his conservative backers who admire Crist for his anti-gay rights stance. Floridians begin early voting on October 23