Could it be?

NED!

… and Kevin Miner!

Yes it could. Fitz.

I see Lurcher’s “0″!

Also, it used to be so fashionabe to lie right out of your ass. Everyone did it (well all the Republicans and Joe….) Just like leisure suits and puka shells.

What happened to poor Joe’s liesure suit?

“fashionable” …

speechless!

Kobe!

(and congrats to Kobe on the Nobel Prize in Physics

….going to the two chief invetigators on the KOBE project.]

So, the Soviet Union didn’t want to kill us? Hitler didn’t want to kill us? Ho Chi Minh didn’t want to kill us? These guys who make the cave-dwellers out to be the evilest boogeymen ever really slay me — haven’t they heard of ‘duck and cover?’ I got kept home from school during the Cuban Missile Crisis, because parents then really thought the world might end, and they all wanted their kids close if it did.

There’s nothing ‘fashionable’ about asking you to square your support for the torture bill with your vaunted service as a Freedom Rider, RGJoe. You campaign on both, so the young man asked a valid question. Perhaps RGJoe meant that questioning him at all has become fashionable, a fashion he’d surely wish had never come into fashion?

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It sounds like Lieberman’s politics bend and twist at the whims of being “fashionable” – Dr. King would be out there today denouncing the apologists of torture!

The more I hear holyjoe speak the more he sounds like g dubya.

yuck. just yuck.

From Jane’s post, quoting Lieberman:

We are now giving them more rights than prisoners of war get in most countries of war

Really? Would you care to give me one example, Mr. Lieberman? Just one would be fine!

I don’t need a spoon to gag me, I’ve only got to see/hear/read Holy Joe. He’s so totally disgusting.

I am astonished by the “don’t deserve the same rights” comment. What an elitist p….! Did he participate in freedom rides for the “political capital” he needed or because he really believed in equal rights under our constitution? Guess he believes along with the Rethugs that we can just pick and choose which parts of the Constitution we should hold dear?

He is the consummate tool. I can hardly bear even the faint thought he may continue in the Senate.

Titanyum @ 10

From Jane’s post, quoting Lieberman:

We are now giving them more rights than prisoners of war get in most countries of war

Really? Would you care to give me one example, Mr. Lieberman? Just one would be fine!

Uzbekistan?

“These are people who people working for us suspect of wanting to kill us. All of us! Any one of us!”

Good to know Joe isn’t pandering to base emotions like fear.

He’s cribbing his rhetoric straight from the Rove handbook.

Thank you, Joe. I’m finally fashionable.

OK, Jane, you win!

That post just convinced me to send more money to Ned.

Fashionable vs. fascistable.

immanentize @ 16

OK, Jane, you win!

That post just convinced me to send more money to Ned.

I’m in too. After all, it’s the fashionable thing to do.

We must not lose our resolve in our struggle against the islamofashionistas.

“We’re at war. It’s hard for a lot of people to understand this, because it’s a different kind of war.”

Translation: You’re too stupid to understand so trust me, I’ll protect you from the evil doers

Sheesh

… maybe Joe and Condi could go out shopping together for fashionable black hob-nailed boots?

Hate to be the bearer of bad news joe but war is war. It kills people.

joysness @ 22

Hate to be the bearer of bad news joe but war is war. It kills people.

You say it like it’s a bad thing.

scarecrow, selise, KathrynMA and I all went to CT today again to canvass for Ned. We got to talk with Ned and talk with voters. There is some good solid support for him along with a bunch of kool-aid drinkers. I always amazes me when i get into conversations with people who really are convinced that “they want to kill us all.”

We hear that the campaign is planning some more hard hitting ads very shortly. Here’s hoping they hit HoJo where the sun don’t shine.

We realize that we are doing this for the soul of the country. I don’t know if lots of the CT voters see that or can begin to realize it. Those of us who hang out here get it big time, but Joe and Jane voter are looking at their taxes and kid’s education and drug prices. We are able to put all the puzzle pieces together but we are a dedicated bunch.

Bottom line, keep sending money, keep showing up, keep talking up anyone you know in CT who votes. We’ve got to all pitch in and do what we can. For the sake of the country, we’ve got to do this.

To my nose, Joe Lieberman’s stink is now forever mixed with Mel Sembler’s stink. By taking Mel’s money, Joe has emeshed himself with a man accused of torture and child abuse.

Then, in the same week, he votes to allow the Decider to decide who gets tortured. And all of this takes place during Yontiff (between the High Holidays of Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur). The democratic establishment needs to fully repudiate Joe at this point. His taking money from Sembler is crossing the line.

Hmmmm..who else said that connecting Iraq to the war on terror was the hardest part Of his job?

Cozumel @ 20

“We’re at war. It’s hard for a lot of people to understand this, because it’s a different kind of war.”

Translation: You’re too stupid to understand so trust me, I’ll protect you from the evil doers

Sheesh

Joe the Decider

Maybe J-Lie should read Cormac McCarthy’s new novel, The Road. To his BFF, Dubya. Reviewed by Wm Kennedy in the NYT book section. Also, the Sunday Magazine has a profile of Montana Governor Schweitzer up.

Who needs to go behind the Select firewall….

… maybe Joe and Condi could go out shopping together for fashionable black hob-nailed boots?

*ilson, the picture that gives me is – eeewww! Besides, do they even make hobnailed boots that fasten with Velcro? I don’t think Joe can tie bows, and zippers might require thinking.

Eli @
23

joysness @ 22

Hate to be the bearer of bad news joe but war is war. It kills people.

You say it like it’s a bad thing.

Apparently not to joe.

Bravo to young Kevin Miner for speaking truth to power, asking RGJoe this question. I’ve been in situations like his, wanting to ask the Important Person the tough question, and it’s not easy. I hope this video gets wide play, encouraging other Nutmeggers to speak up to the Junior Senator about his pro-torture vote.

Also, since it’s so hard for us to understand that “we’re at war,” does that mean that RGJoe thinks the President is doing a bad job of connecting the War on Terror to the Occupation in Iraq?

Eli @ 13

Titanyum @ 10

From Jane’s post, quoting Lieberman:

We are now giving them more rights than prisoners of war get in most countries of war

Really? Would you care to give me one example, Mr. Lieberman? Just one would be fine!

Uzbekistan?

Uzbekistan ratified the Geneva onventions on 8/10/1993 and has not passed any laws that let them off the hook.

Titanyum @ 33

Eli @ 13

Titanyum @ 10

From Jane’s post, quoting Lieberman:

We are now giving them more rights than prisoners of war get in most countries of war

Really? Would you care to give me one example, Mr. Lieberman? Just one would be fine!

Uzbekistan?

Uzbekistan ratified the Geneva onventions on 8/10/1993 and has not passed any laws that let them off the hook.

So… we’re behind the country that boils people in oil?

Lovely.

the URL to the signatories of the Geneva Convention is http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/si…..onventions de Geneve et Protocoles additionnels ENG.pdf

RevDeb @
24

scarecrow, selise, KathrynMA and I all went to CT today again to canvass for Ned. We got to talk with Ned and talk with voters. There is some good solid support for him along with a bunch of kool-aid drinkers. I always amazes me when i get into conversations with people who really are convinced that “they want to kill us all.”

We hear that the campaign is planning some more hard hitting ads very shortly. Here’s hoping they hit HoJo where the sun don’t shine.

We realize that we are doing this for the soul of the country. I don’t know if lots of the CT voters see that or can begin to realize it. Those of us who hang out here get it big time, but Joe and Jane voter are looking at their taxes and kid’s education and drug prices. We are able to put all the puzzle pieces together but we are a dedicated bunch.

Bottom line, keep sending money, keep showing up, keep talking up anyone you know in CT who votes. We’ve got to all pitch in and do what we can. For the sake of the country, we’ve got to do this.

Thank you all so much for putting in the time and doing the hard work. You’ve been doing it regularly, over and over again for months, and we really appreciate it. It is very important.

“Kevin voted twice for Lieberman in 2000.” I thought that only happened in Chicago and LBj’s Texas. But if you can do it again in 2006,go for it! Go Ned! Run that piece of shit out of Connecticut!

Eli @ 33

Titanyum @ 33

Eli @ 13

Titanyum @ 10

From Jane’s post, quoting Lieberman:

We are now giving them more rights than prisoners of war get in most countries of war

Really? Would you care to give me one example, Mr. Lieberman? Just one would be fine!

Uzbekistan?

Uzbekistan ratified the Geneva onventions on 8/10/1993 and has not passed any laws that let them off the hook.

So… we’re behind the country that boils people in oil?

Lovely.

Eli: I am not saying Uzbekistan does not commit atrocities, but as far as their official policy is concerned, they do not condone that.

thanks from me too, rev, and to your entire Bay Staters for Ned posse!

Titanyum @ 38

Eli @ 33

Titanyum @ 33

Eli @ 13

Titanyum @ 10

From Jane’s post, quoting Lieberman:

We are now giving them more rights than prisoners of war get in most countries of war

Really? Would you care to give me one example, Mr. Lieberman? Just one would be fine!

Uzbekistan?

Uzbekistan ratified the Geneva onventions on 8/10/1993 and has not passed any laws that let them off the hook.

So… we’re behind the country that boils people in oil?

Lovely.

Eli: I am not saying Uzbekistan does not commit atrocities, but as far as their official policy is concerned, they do not condone that.

I know. It’s telling, is all. Of course, it didn’t used to be our official policy, either…

Here’s a headline I wouldn’t mind seeing on November 8:

JOE LIEBERMAN – FASHION VICTIM

hufNpuf @ 36

“Kevin voted twice for Lieberman in 2000.” I thought that only happened in Chicago and LBj’s Texas. But if you can do it again in 2006,go for it! Go Ned! Run that piece of shit out of Connecticut!

“voted twice” was a clever reference to Joey Short-Ride Me-First’s remaining on the USSenate line while also running for Veep with Al Gore that year, thus leaving open the possibility that Connecticut’s GOP Governor would appoint a GOP Senator to his seat, should he vacate it to serve as Veep. Which would have changed control of the Senate.

“I know it’s fasionable to say what you’re saying,” Lieberman told the student. But “these are people who people working for us suspect of wanting to kill us. All of us! Any one of us! And it doesn’t mean that they aren’t human beings … But they don’t deserve the same rights that citizens of the United States do.”

Obviously just another fashionable talking point for Holy St. Joe to spew from his mouth out over the crowd as if it were spittle, … and as if his contempt for ther rest of the world weren’t obvious enough.

For those of you who missed it on the other Joe thread, the same story was covered in the Connecticut section of the Hartford Courant, a paper with a much bigger circulation than the New Haven Independent. In the paper version the headline was splashed at the top big "Lieberman Hit On Torture." Right under the headline was that student’s perfect question in quotes. They also carried the Lamont/Clark campaign stop at UConn as the perfect juxtaposition.

By voting twice for Lieberman, I’m sure Kevin meant for VP and for senator. He ran for both in CT in 2000, which is allowable under its rules.

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these are people who people working for us suspect of wanting to kill us.

And what exactly are we suspected of in Afghanistan and Iraq with all our weapons and soldiers? Who is really an enemy combatant? Sorry but the lack of a uniform does not define the person who most likely is trying (in their minds at the very least) to defend their home and family.
Thank you so very much Jane for finding quotes on this subject. It needs to stay in the front of our minds as long as their is the possibility of someone on our payroll conducting torture.
I find Joes rationale mentally ill. There is no other way to characterize such madness. He is a sick person.

Hey fashion boy, fuck you sideways with a rusty box of Joe, you unspeakably insufferable junta adoring ASSHOLE.

Fuck this shit, I’m going dancing. Lata dogs.

TeddySanFran @ 41

hufNpuf @ 36

“Kevin voted twice for Lieberman in 2000.” I thought that only happened in Chicago and LBj’s Texas. But if you can do it again in 2006,go for it! Go Ned! Run that piece of shit out of Connecticut!

“voted twice” was a clever reference to Joey Short-Ride Me-First’s remaining on the USSenate line while also running for Veep with Al Gore that year, thus leaving open the possibility that Connecticut’s GOP Governor would appoint a GOP Senator to his seat, should he vacate it to serve as Veep. Which would have changed control of the Senate.

Duh. Sorry forgot about that. I still hope Kevin votes twice for Ned. I liked it better when I lived in Chicago and Boss Daily said vote early and often.

Oh, and a bad day for Torturefashionputz = great day for the universe.

TeddySanFran @
7

So, the Soviet Union didn’t want to kill us? Hitler didn’t want to kill us? Ho Chi Minh didn’t want to kill us? These guys who make the cave-dwellers out to be the evilest boogeymen ever really slay me — haven’t they heard of ‘duck and cover?’ I got kept home from school during the Cuban Missile Crisis, because parents then really thought the world might end, and they all wanted their kids close if it did.

There’s nothing ‘fashionable’ about asking you to square your support for the torture bill with your vaunted service as a Freedom Rider, RGJoe. You campaign on both, so the young man asked a valid question. Perhaps RGJoe meant that questioning him at all has become fashionable, a fashion he’d surely wish had never come into fashion?

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Abolutely!! And none of those other powers EVER had spies, did they??? Just asking… I remember thinking in 3rd grade that my desk wouldn’t protect me, but I also remember being proud to be an American. Oh, well, I was young and naive then, don’t you know….

hufNpuf @
36

“Kevin voted twice for Lieberman in 2000.” I thought that only happened in Chicago and LBj’s Texas. But if you can do it again in 2006,go for it! Go Ned! Run that piece of shit out of Connecticut!

I’m guessing for Senator and as VP… Unless there was a primary somewhere. But he was up for both Sen. and VP, wasn’t he? Don’t commit, now, Joe…

What does Joe have to say about American citizens who are tortured and imprisoned, by our own goverment, with no recourse. Nothing, because he just voted to remove all rights from us as well.

#51 Eureka Springs:

Or for that matter of US citizens like Hamdi who were stripped of their rights, their freedom AND then their citizenship? Or perhaps Joe believes that American citizens who oppose America should lose their citizenship and hence their rights? That’s the problem with meaningless propagandistic blanket bs, Joe, It ignores the gray areas of reality.

Arms folded – condescending attitude. Dismissive.
Rambling. Not answering the question. Assuming the role of an “elder” – but not acknowledging the youth.

No teacher would stand in front of a class with their arms folded like that. So smug. So guarded. So restricting. His shield.

Folded Arms:

“Folded arms suggest a closed approach to discussion. This puts a barrier between speaker and listener.” The Speaker’s Guild

Yep. Joe’s a Republican all right.

ZappoDave @
53

Arms folded – condescending attitude. Dismissive.
Rambling. Not answering the question. Assuming the role of an “elder” – but not acknowledging the youth.

No teacher would stand in front of a class with their arms folded like that. So smug. So guarded. So restricting. His shield.

Folded Arms:

“Folded arms suggest a closed approach to discussion. This puts a barrier between speaker and listener.” The Speaker’s Guild

Yep. Joe’s a Republican all right.

Plus, every other word (being charitable here) that comes out of his mouth is a bald-faced lie.

Blub @ 52

#51 Eureka Springs:

Or for that matter of US citizens like Hamdi who were stripped of their rights, their freedom AND then their citizenship? Or perhaps Joe believes that American citizens who oppose America should lose their citizenship and hence their rights? That’s the problem with meaningless propagandistic blanket bs, Joe, It ignores the gray areas of reality.

I really look at the whole piece of legislation and those who voted for it as participants in an act of treason.

Marion in Savannah @ 55

ZappoDave @
53

Arms folded – condescending attitude. Dismissive.
Rambling. Not answering the question. Assuming the role of an “elder” – but not acknowledging the youth.

No teacher would stand in front of a class with their arms folded like that. So smug. So guarded. So restricting. His shield.

Folded Arms:

“Folded arms suggest a closed approach to discussion. This puts a barrier between speaker and listener.” The Speaker’s Guild

Yep. Joe’s a Republican all right.

Plus, every other word (being charitable here) that comes out of his mouth is a bald-faced lie.

Dubya loves things what are bald.

hey, joe, just because someone isn’t a “citizen” of the united states DOESN’T MAKE THEM LESS OF A HUMAN BEING!!!!!!!

I’m not sure how the fact the these people want to kill us makes this a different kind of war. Can someone name the wars in which the opposing sides weren’t trying to kill each other? We understand that it’s a war and not a game of dodgeball. What he don’t get is why the old rules of war suddenly don’t apply.

Dubya loves things what are bald.

Commander hobnob

e.c. @ 58

hey, joe, just because someone isn’t a “citizen” of the united states DOESN’T MAKE THEM LESS OF A HUMAN BEING!!!!!!!

So true. Which is why American citizens are also eligible for arrest and indefinite detention without trial.

And I guess Joe will face more questions about his support for Hastert. Here’s the latest–a former page, now a soldier in Iraq, has notified his sponsor in the Page Program that he’s cooperating with the FBI about messages received from Foley in 2001. Here’s the editorial from his home state, Kentucky. Talk about worlds colliding–

http://www.courier-journal.com…../610070308

Here’s an intriguing Constitutional argument about the Gitmo prisoners that I haven’t seen yet: Most of these folks have never been charged with anything. They were simply purchased from bounty hunters overseas and then shipped off to Gitmo. They are not being called prisoners of war but rather enemy combatants. I have a better name for them: Slaves. Can someone explain to me how someone who is purchased overseas and then shipped to a US military base and granted almost no rights is NOT a slave?

Frank Probst @ 63

Here’s an intriguing Constitutional argument about the Gitmo prisoners that I haven’t seen yet: Most of these folks have never been charged with anything. They were simply purchased from bounty hunters overseas and then shipped off to Gitmo. They are not being called prisoners of war but rather enemy combatants. I have a better name for them: Slaves. Can someone explain to me how someone who is purchased overseas and then shipped to a US military base and granted almost no rights is NOT a slave?

They’re not working?

Good point FP

I wonder what happened with the Red Cross inspection of Gitmo, was it cancelled with the passage of S.3036?

Only one thing comes to mind when the concepts of ‘fashionable’ and ‘Joe Lieberman’ are juxtaposed.

…And you know what that is…

;>)

Foley Consuming GOP As Elections Draw Near

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — Rep. E. Clay Shaw Jr. (R-Fla.) was trying to talk about security Friday at bustling Port Everglades, but with planes roaring overhead and containers slamming onto trucks, nobody could hear him.

That’s a common problem for Shaw and Republican candidates around the country these days — trying urgently 30 days before Election Day to frame a winning message but finding their efforts drowned out by the furor over former representative Mark Foley (R-Fla.).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01059.html

Dana @ 61

And I guess Joe will face more questions about his support for Hastert. Here’s the latest–a former page, now a soldier in Iraq, has notified his sponsor in the Page Program that he’s cooperating with the FBI about messages received from Foley in 2001. Here’s the editorial from his home state, Kentucky. Talk about worlds colliding–

http://www.courier-journal.com…../610070308

A Young Republican actually in the military and fighting in Iraq? Incroyable!

you should hear Nancy Grace (yeah, I know) on Foley … talk about pissed – she and Mark Klass are calling for a “House” cleaning, she wants Foley in jail and not in some “cushy rehab” and she wants to know why the FBI didn’t investigate …

I think she read Trex and decided she wants to make that 60 ft guy happy!

Marion in Savannah @
49

TeddySanFran @
7

So, the Soviet Union didn’t want to kill us? I remember thinking in 3rd grade that my desk wouldn’t protect me, but I also remember being proud to be an American. Oh, well, I was young and naive then, don’t you know….

I’m a little older, agreed in fifth and seventh grades, desks wouldn’t do much against that blasing evaporation thing…
When I was in third grade, we had to add “under god” to the pledge I just loved… I thought the revision was tacky… wasn’t “indivisible” more important than “under” something???

maybe we weren’t as naive as we think

Fitz used baseball analogies last year, so I’ll give it a try.

The Yankees were sent packing today by the Detroit Tigers. Home again early for the 6th year in a row. And all of them are incredulous, wondering aloud ‘B-b-but we are the Champs! This just can’t be!’ And yadda, and yadda, and on.

First think of Lieberman, then of the whole Rethug party. Then think of how sweet it will be if we all work hard enough and long enough, like the Tigers did, to make this upset a reality.

Congratulations Detroit (from a Twins fan) and congratulations FDL for working so hard toward a goal. Let’s make November the second upset in a row.

50 more Quatloos on the Ned!

Can anyone imagine president Bush saying “Wait, maybe we shouldn’t torture this (woman, kid) guy.”

Siun @
68

you should hear Nancy Grace (yeah, I know) on Foley … talk about pissed – she and Mark Klass are calling for a “House” cleaning, she wants Foley in jail and not in some “cushy rehab” and she wants to know why the FBI didn’t investigate …

I think she read Trex and decided she wants to make that 60 ft guy happy!

OMG!

Nancy comes through.

Siun @
68

you should hear Nancy Grace (yeah, I know) on Foley … talk about pissed – she and Mark Klass are calling for a “House” cleaning, she wants Foley in jail and not in some “cushy rehab” and she wants to know why the FBI didn’t investigate …

I think she read Trex and decided she wants to make that 60 ft guy happy!

I think Foley’s going to skate. I’m not convinced that what he did was technically illegal. Yes, I know he broke his own law, but all of the IMs we’ve seen so far were written BEFORE Foley’s law was passed. (It’s a brilliant legal defense, when you think about it. “I came to realize that my sleazy behavior was wrong, so passed a law against it.” He can even call himself as an expert witness on exploited children.) He was sliming former pages, not current pages, so it’s not workplace harassment. And so far, no one’s claimed that he ever physically touched them, so there’s no assault or molestation charges. (BTW, has anyone looked into former pages who ended up with really cushy jobs? THOSE are the people he probably had sex with, and they’re not exactly going to be running to the FBI. A 20-year-old with a $120K job is going to keep his mouth shut.) What, exactly, can he be charged with?

Two questions

1-Is there a thread explaining this Trex/ Nancy Grace thingy?? I feel so out of it.

2-Is there anything organized that we can do for Ned besides money. I sent Hillary back a card saying she would see money when she stood side by side with Ned. Any way to get the Clintons attention where it should be??

Hey GrandmaJ!

Did you catch our hometown hero on the Weekly Moron Spew response? Talk about playing to Patty’s strength. She was terrific.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._1007.html

Hours after Foley resigned Sept. 29, Boehner told The Washington Post that he had heard last spring of some contact between Foley and a 16-year-old boy. He said he mentioned it to Hastert, who assured him “we’re taking care of it.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01004.html

Pach’s offering a mighty fine Late Night upstairs.

Frank Probst @ 58

I’m not sure how the fact the these people want to kill us makes this a different kind of war. Can someone name the wars in which the opposing sides weren’t trying to kill each other? We understand that it’s a war and not a game of dodgeball. What he don’t get is why the old rules of war suddenly don’t apply.

Not quite sure “it’s a war.” Who exactly are we at war with, and when will we know it’s over?

darkblack @ 65

Only one thing comes to mind when the concepts of ‘fashionable’ and ‘Joe Lieberman’ are juxtaposed.

…And you know what that is…
;>)

oh my goddess

sock it to me…

kirk murphy @ 79

darkblack @ 65

Only one thing comes to mind when the concepts of ‘fashionable’ and ‘Joe Lieberman’ are juxtaposed.

…And you know what that is…
;>)

oh my goddess

sock it to me…

Jeezus, that’s disturbing. Always rock with your sock on!

kirk murphy @ 79

bonkers @ 80

So, I take it neither of you worthies would have an interest in a hypothetical ‘Joe-tse.cx’ graphic…?

;>)

Joe’s hollow pretense of “working” with the Repubs to achieve “bipartisanship”, seems to appeal to many Independent voters of the relatively uninformed variety. I suppose they still need to be “informed”. Awful stubborn about re-evaluating him.

revdeb…imagine

u.s.senator ned lamont!

mahalo for your staunch efforts to make it happen.

peas!

Lieberman is still ahead in the polls.

Lieberman is winning this race.

Lamont is consistantly 5% behind this creep.

HOW CAN THIS BE?

Lamont polls- I just went and checked out the polls at pollster.com. Statistically, there is no point in including polls that only have a single point, because there is no way to compare these data, over time, and each poll has a unique bias/audience. The only three polls that have multiple data points are- Rassmusen, Zogby Interactive, and Quinnipiac.

Percentages are Lieberman adv. over Lamont.
In the 4 R polls after primary 5% > 2% > 2% > 10%
In the 3 ZI polls after primary 10% > 4% > 2%
In the 2 Q polls after the primary 12% > 10%, but Q poll data 1st was random voters, 2nd likely voters. Hard to interpret these two points, thus.

Most of the alarm seems to have been created by the entry of the Zogby Poll (not the interactive one)- first entry, no data points to compare; and the Rassumsen poll change from 2% adv to 10% adv Lieberman.

Disclaimer- I am not a statistician. Wish Bobby G were here. But, I do look at data a lot in my job. At this point, I just don’t see any evidence, based on these data, that Ned is falling behind. And, he has clearly gained in name recognition. If anything, my own look at the polls says it’s 50/50 L/L at this point- though I wish Lamont had already moved ahead. As Jane has said, 4 weeks is a long time, in the current environment. And, the more people know about Lamont, the more they will like him. The more people know more about Lieberman, the less they will like him. I am feeling much more optimistic having looked more closely at the polling data, rather than just responding to the cries of alarm.

TeddySanFran @
7

So, the Soviet Union didn’t want to kill us? Hitler didn’t want to kill us? Ho Chi Minh didn’t want to kill us? These guys who make the cave-dwellers out to be the evilest boogeymen ever really slay me — haven’t they heard of ‘duck and cover?’ I got kept home from school during the Cuban Missile Crisis, because parents then really thought the world might end, and they all wanted their kids close if it did.

There’s nothing ‘fashionable’ about asking you to square your support for the torture bill with your vaunted service as a Freedom Rider, RGJoe. You campaign on both, so the young man asked a valid question. Perhaps RGJoe meant that questioning him at all has become fashionable, a fashion he’d surely wish had never come into fashion?

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Teddy, I remember being a kid in Florida during the Cuban Missle Crisis. There was discussion of Dog Tags, so that if there were remains, we could be identified. Sadly, we’ve become a nation of wimps. America had real reason to be afraid back then, but fear didn’t get the better of us. Today, I’m so disgusted with the folks who run and hide every time Bush or LieberLiar says “be afraid”. I would rather die slowly, than to do anything these bastards tell us to.

tweez @ 84

Lieberman is still ahead in the polls.

Lieberman is winning this race.

Lamont is consistantly 5% behind this creep.

HOW CAN THIS BE?

Because Lieberman has been Senator for 18 years and people don’t know Lamont. Lamont has also not gone negative yet. Hopefully he will soon.

dab- did you see my polls comment?

darkblack @
65

Only one thing comes to mind when the concepts of ‘fashionable’ and ‘Joe Lieberman’ are juxtaposed.

…And you know what that is…

;>)

Ugggg, my eyes! Now you’ve gone ahead and ruined my dinner!

Agreed, dabfrom CT @87.

Lamont has also not gone negative yet. Hopefully he will soon.

Lamont needs to hit Joe as hard as Jane’s been hitting him. Then people will notice. You don’t treat people who lie through their teeth and become torture supporters for Dick Cheney and George Bush with kid gloves. You don’t say anything nice about them, ever, because they don’t deserve it. You tell the truth about how despicable and vile they are, and you tell the truth about their positions.

Hopefully Ned and the people who craft his strategy read FDL. A lot. Make Lieberman accountable for being the vile Bush/Cheney supporter that he is.

http://nedlamont.com/blog/1690…..ff#c009868
(you have to scrollup to see the comment)

~~~I promise everybody there will be no more soft ads from Lamont. Lieberman won’t be able to plug the whole negativity bullshit argument anymore to the media. In the real world pointing out that you suck at your job gets you fired. According to Joe Lieberman it means time to play the blame game. Well I hope everybody makes sure we end it on November, 7th.
— Brian for Lamont Oct 7, 07:05 PM~~~

joe’s body language says it all…. closed arms. He’s not interested in questions and silly answers folks. he just wants to lie and get out of the room…. did he answer the question or do like Bush and simply debate the topic

I know it’s fashionable to say what you’re saying. . .

Young Freedom Rider Joe must have heard that a hundred times from his uncles, classmates, or people at the temple. And I’d give odds that it made him mad. After all, it’s an insult: “You’re just following the crowd because you have no real courage or real convictions.”

Yet 45 years later, he says the same thing to another courageous young person.

What a schmuck.

Courageous young person?!
Huh? Parroting popular talking points in front of an adoring crowd does not make one courageous.
The shrill, spluttering response of the reactionary commenters on this site is the best evidence of your insecurity when faced with the charge of having “no real courage or real convictions.”
You are hollow and you know it and your reactions prove it beyond any denial.

Those didn’t sound like “talking points” to me.

But let’s move away from “talking points” and look to history. Does Israel torture terror suspects? No. Historically has torture yielded valuable information? No. Does strong covert intelligence work pay better dividends? Absolutely.

See, here’s the problem; torture is the exact opposite of how we should conduct ourselves as human beings, regardless of how insane or dangerous the enemy is. This is actually NOT one of those grey areas between black and white and right and wrong. It isn’t. Torturing people is wrong. Just like crashing planes into a building and killing people to prove a point is wrong.

Historic precedents clearly indicate torture is counter-productive in the gathering of intelligence. It’s wrong on so many levels it isn’t worth discussion and the fact that it is being debated is silly.

Let’s go one more step: the fact that we are debating this with these foolish Senate Republicrats tells us that we are on the wrong page with our national dialog. That isn’t shrill, that’s a fact. We aren’t discussing jobs, schools, healthcare, an aging population, infrastructure. Basically all of the hard problems to solve. We’re babbling about talking points that are put forth by the likes of an idiot president that doesn’t read and can’t speak and by ultra-shrill pundits like Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reilly. Until we grow beyond that; I believe it is our job to keep asking questions like Kevin Miner did of every elected official.

Once again a politician pats you on the head and says there, there. I know better than you poor ignorant rubes. I’m a different kind of DINO, this is a different kind of war, and you are very close to being a different kind of US citizen i.e. enemy combatant.

Anyone remember 1984 the book?

Coliln McEnroe at courant.com writes about Joe’s declining prospects in the Connecticut race (may it be so):

With each passing day Lieberman depends more and more on the least motivated voters. Least motivated to turn out, I mean. A Republican or conservative-unaffiliated who doesn’t like the war, who doesnt like Bush and who is now appalled by the Foley scandal, has less incentive to go to the polls. That voter thinks: Jodi Rell doesn’t need me, and I don’t like anybody else.

Add to that Lieberman’s position on the ballot which is basically a crossword puzzle coordinate. Five down, three across. He is the Waldo of the Connecticut voting booth.

I think the Foley scandal will keep evangelicals home on Election Day, but they’re not such a big factor in this state. Voters who are motivated to save any of the three incumbent Republican congresspersons may or may not hunt around for Joe while they’re in the booth.

If Lamont can make it a little closer by November than it is right now, he will have a better chance than most people give him in the long, strange trip of this campaign.

Does Israel torture terror suspects? No.

You’re spinning, right? Because if you were just ignorant, I would assume you would look it up before making such a ridiculous claim that you show yourself to be a lazy tool.

Connecticut ironically might have been spared this spectacle if Al Gore had chosen a running mate with more national charisma than Barney Fyfe.

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Having been in Israel for an extended period of time, I can tell you that just because you read it from a webpage doesn’t make it true.

Israel traditionally shows amazing restraint for a country surrounded by enemies and penetrated by people that would rather blow themselves up than live with a Jew in the same city.

Maybe you should watch 60 Minutes here. The point is that strong intelligence and good police work is where we need to focus. Not torture.

Or do you disagree with that as well?