
Well here is an interesting piece of information in this morning's NYTimes article:
Other suggestions surfaced on Wednesday that Mr. Foley’s undue interest in pages had previously been known. Representative Deborah Pryce of Ohio, a member of the leadership, asked the current clerk of the House, Karen L. Hass, to investigate reports raised this week in a [Republican] party conference call that Mr. Foley was once turned away from the pages’ living quarters and that the staff in the page program had raised concerns about him with the former clerk. (emphasis mine)
Well, that IS news, isn't it? And just how long have the folks on that GOP conference call known about this?!?
I mean, honestly, when you put that together with the e-mails the page sent in with the "sick, sick, sick..." notation and the questions raised there, aren't you beginning to see a bunch of huge red flags that ought to have been considered together as a big pattern of behavior on the part of former GOP Rep. Foley that warranted more than simply sweeping it under the rug...again...for political expediency's sake?
Since Fordham's resignation from Rep. Tom Reynolds' (R-NY and chair of the RNCC) staff yesterday, a new flurry of statements and counterstatements has been flying. Thought it would be useful to connect some dots. From the NYTimes:
“I had more than one conversation with senior staff at the highest levels of the House of Representatives, asking them to intervene when I was informed of Mr. Foley’s inappropriate behavior,” Mr. Fordham said after resigning from Mr. Reynolds’s staff. “I have no congressman and no office to protect.”Mr. Fordham said he had informed Mr. Palmer of the concerns while working for Mr. Foley, after the House clerk, Jeff Trandahl, approached him. Mr. Trandahl told him, Mr. Fordham said, that pages had come forward with accounts about Mr. Foley’s behavior. Mr. Trandahl, who resigned his position last year, did not return calls on Wednesday.
The accounts did not include accusations of overtly sexual advances and did not involve e-mail or instant messages of the sort that surfaced last week, Mr. Fordham said. Instead, they encompassed reports that Mr. Foley had been “way too friendly” toward the pages, he said.
Mr. Fordham said that he could not recall the specific date of his meeting with Mr. Palmer, but that it was between 2001 and the end of 2003.
A spokesman for Mr. Hastert, Ron Bonjean, issued a statement in Mr. Palmer’s name saying, “What Kirk Fordham said did not happen.”
Again, there is no reporting on any paper trail on this. For a Congressional official to not have paper documentation for CYA purposes is unusual, frankly -- although in cases where sexual harassment or worse are feared, in the corporate world, anyway, there is often an effort to try and sweep the problem under the rug and avoid liabilty within the business entity by NOT documenting anything in writing -- keeping everything verbal, so it's harder to trace for a potential litigant. Some serious questions need to be asked about this -- and about how things must be handled in the future in terms of documentation -- because members of Congress ought not to be given some protected status when it comes to the safety of the teenage pages who work in their halls.
Howard Kurtz has some more notes on Fordham this morning as well.
So you had the top aide to the House's senior GOP campaign guy trying to keep the seedy details out of the media. No wonder some critics are charging cover-up. That's what's driving this whole thing, the sense that key Republicans were more concerned with the politics of the Foley mess than protecting the teenagers he was hitting up online.
That's a good summary of some of my questions, I'll say that much for it.
Rep. John Shimkus (R-IL) says the pages were more protected in the page program than a lot of kids are in their own homes. I'm sure the upstanding parents who sent their children to participate in this program are feeling loads better about it now -- and that Mr. Shimkus' constituents are feeling loads better about the high standard to which Shimkus and others in the Republican leadership hold themselves in caring for the children under their supervision. Nothing like "we're better than a lot of people who sexually abuse their own kids" as a standard, eh?
Perhaps Shimkus should read the Chicago Tribune, with whom I agree wholeheartedly in this sentiment (something you don't hear from me very often):
Young people have served as congressional pages for 177 years. The best way to protect them is to severely punish anyone who takes advantage of them.
Absolutely correct. Members of Congress should be treated no differently than any other member of the public when it comes to protecting children from predatory sexual harassment or other behaviors. Period. No one should be given a pass in terms of the law just because of their status, their power, their connections or their ability to sweep things under the rug -- and the Republican leadership in Congress should get this message loud and clear from everyone, because what has occurred up until now is simply unacceptable.
Sydney Blumenthal has a review of this, and reading through the Foley contacts in the article is truly nauseating. The WaPo has even more -- reading the two together is disturbing, and shows a clear pattern of behavior in terms of Foley's actions. Something the Republican leadership in the House could have discerned from requesting an investigation into this when intitial questions were raised about Foley -- something they did NOT do. It took a news organization to take this problem seriously...how's that, Denny?
And Denny Hastert is ducked an interview with a non-wingnut radio announcer who planned on asking him tougher questions than what he got from Hannity and Rush. Hmmmm...crappy leadership and a chicken. Lovely.
Let's review, shall we: (1) Foley may have been turned away from the pages' living quarters at some point. (2) The staff of the page program has raised concerns about Foley and impropriety of his relationships with young pages. (3) There are news reports that Hastert and others in the Republican leadership were notified as early as 2001 about problems with Foley and the pages. (4) E-mails are turned in by a page to Rep. Alexander's staff and others with the notation "sick, sick, sick..." coming from the page. (5) The House Republican leadership does not disclose this information to the House page board but, rather, it goes through the political hierarchy of the leadership via Shimkus, to Reynolds, to Hastert...and no further. (6) After learning about all of this, Reynolds still pushes Foley to run for re-election in his district. (7) Reynolds' chief of staff (now resigned) goes to Florida to help Foley do damage control, and to deliver a message from the NRCC chair that Foley has to resign only after ABC news begins to report on this issue and investigate the matter -- which leads to even more egregious internet correspondence which shows a clear pattern of explicit sexual contact with minors in the House Page program. (On one occasion, during a vote on the House floor.)
Does that about sum up what we have here? Have I missed anything? Blergh. Had enough?
Oh, and a big thank you to Keith Olbermann for raising the accountability issue with regard to FOX's mis-labeling of Foley as a Democrat on O'Reilly's show. Turns out they tape the show hours in advance...which just makes the whole thing even more egregious, doesn't it?
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Oh and go click on Imm’s Zazoo condoms link from tha last thread, I just laughed myself silly
JUSTICE WILL BE DONE.
And this from this morning’s Wall Street Journal: Republicans Caught in a Storm:
Re Democratic Senate:
Webb is now speaking of Iraq as “an occupation.” Yay!
President Clinton will have a fundraiser for Webb in a couple of weeks.
Sure wish he’d help Lamont out more.
Look, it’s pretty easy to figure out. If the Republicans can’t take reports with titles like “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US” and powerpoint slideshows that say “Al Qeada is gonna attack in a month or two” and figure out that Al Qaeda is gonna attack, then they sure as shootin’ aren’t gonna figure out that a guy with peepee in his hand standing outside the pages’ dorm is perv.
Had enough?
And Foley was reportedly drunk when he tried to get into the pages’ dormitory.
But don’t you think that Hastert is toast already? George Stephanopolous on ABC last evening said that he had not talked to a single person on Capitol Hill, R or D, who thought that Hastert would be Speaker again — and in his view Hastert would be gone by the end of this week (today and tomorrow, right?).
If Hastert does take the fall, will this go away in the public’s mind — or is there enough momentum to drip-drip-drip some other falls — Boehner and Reynolds, among others?
yam @ 6
OK, That’s the one I love.
That’s the comment I would like to plagerize and use as my talking point today.
You just made sale here.
Dennis bin Laden? Is there a cave under Hastert’s house?
Prf,
I think Boehner and Reynolds are toast.
Reynolds was holding on by a thread for re-election anyway. I gotta ssume that this will cause Rahm, Howard, whoever, to scrape the bottom of the campaign funds barrel and find a little more $ to throw up some ads to kill him off completely.
So this could be a wholesale decapitatoon of the Housed leadership. The screwed up badly trying to pin it on Fordham and now it’s backfiring on them.
Plus, i posted a link near the op of the last htread, supposedly they feds are looking at reports invvolving kids in Fla. too.
I think this will play out into next week. Some kid who was intimidated into silence, will see all this and spillhis guts to his parents.
btw, thought everyone would get a kick out of the connect-the-dot elephant. *G* Couldn’t help myself!
http://thinkprogress.org/
Opens mouth long enough to change feet…
Thinking about Hastert bunkered down, I’m trying to find out where my Representative, Don Young is hiding. So many of these GOP Reps are used to coming back to their safe districts at the pre-election recess, and avoiding all debates but the mandatory minimum, avoiding comment about loose threads they may have left untied back in DC, and showing up only for the safest of speech and interview formats. Short of those safe zones, a lot of them are open to accusation these next two weeks for hiding from their constituents.
We need to keep spotlighting, writing letters to editors, working for our progressive candidates, and putting in 14-hour volunteer days all through the first week of November.
GAWD, is this speech bad. “The dog ate my NCLB credibility!”
Mr. 18% JAR weighs in:
http://thinkprogress.org/
Great one yarn!
Sort of more relevant to last thread, but I have been having lots of one-on-one intense political discussion lately. Using my values, and the values of our candidate Carol Voisin, (ala Lakoff) to sway voters.
A student’s parent went off on the “they’re all corrupt” meme and I took off with it. Said I completely disagreed, that there are a slew of great candidates with value and urged her to visit Carol’s website to see if, in fact, her values matched up with her own. Talked about how I am involved in my first campaign specifically because of values and asked how people like Foley, DeLay, and Hastert represented her interests? She had no answer. Said she’d rather not vote then vote for someone who is corrupt and said she’d visit the website. Progress, one person at a time.
Another was a left-leaner who had the same message, they all suck, changing the party won’t change the system. In her case I explained Crashing the Gates, and that it would take time, but again hit her on values. By the end she said she’d vote even if it was only on our race. Progress, one person at a time.
And more from the interesting Wall Street Journal article:
Wetterling will get more exposure on Saturday with her nationwide platform. Meanwhile, the R opponent made a remark just slightly more concerned about children than Tony Snow’s “naughty e-mail” remark:
Bad, naughty, go sit in a corner for 15 minutes and then come back and play with the children.
Disgusting.
Anne at 14 — well, I bet that has Hastert’s campaign manager jumping for joy. *snerk*
So Hastert has gone home to his fortified house- has locked the door and thrown away the key. The man mountain paces back and forth and neighbors feel the earth shake. What ta do- what ta do.
It’s clear that once the parents who originally complained said that they were satisfied- The man mountain figured he was off the hook- he had not a moment of concern about the hundreds of parents who had NOT complained- or the hundreds who were yet to complain as he left this finely tuned genetic mutation in the house of representative without even instructing the moral idiot to stay away from pages.
Let’s face it Denny- ya fucked up- and now yer waiting behind closed doors to see just how much of your irresponsible behavior comes out so you can figure out whether you can respond to it- or whether you should follow your death wish and give it up.
Give it up Denny- give it up. Buy yerself five or six whole cows and retire.
Christy: Excellent post, as always.
[grammar police] First para after second blockquote:
sexual harassment or wore are feared
worse?
[/grammar police]
When Jesus looks upon the life of George W. Bush, I like to think that he will view it as, just a Colon.
From TPM — Mark Foley, Republican Sexual Predator, had a history with Pages going back to at least 1995; and 1996; and 1997 . . .
boosh: “I thank the teachers for teachin’, the parents for lovin’ and the students for readin’.”
I swear to all of you, that was the worst speech of his life– he doesn’t know the subject!
if it ain’t about terrarism or evildoers, he is clueless.
Faux News indentifying Foley as a democrat.
Just trying to be fair and balanced!!!
Who didn’t see this coming? After the emails were exposed, you knew it was going to get worse and worse for the Republican leadership.
Once you start pulling a single thread of this kind of misconduct, it’s only a matter of time before the entire sweater will become unraveled.
Wow!
Glenn Greenwald absolutely nails Howard Kurtz of the WaPo:
Howard Kurtz’s role in the Foley story
It would be impossible to post just a few quotes from Glenn’s analysis. No one sentence is more important than all the others. Read it all.
OK, a teaser:
and just one more:
The WSJ has cut them loose. I wonder how the placated parents are feeling about their Kool-Aid now?
Also, the STUDDS STUDDS STUDDS folks are out trolling the blogosphere today. I wish someone in the media–maybe Our Keith?– would fire a shot of CRANE CRANE CRANE across their bows.
And who else is checking their passport for a Bizarro-World entry stamp upon seeing Newt Gingrich wringing his hands at all the terrible, terrible Democratic scandals? I’m guessing that a man who married his high-school teacher AND his intern has some insight into inappropriate relationships, but I’m not sure I want to hear that insight…
Has anybody said “heckuva job Denny”, yet?
How many heckuva job jagoffs have we collected now?
KO’s Special Comment tonight is being promoed as…Hypocrisy in Washington
Oops. Time to slow down and give credit where credit is due.
Christy, the connect-the-dots elephant is terrific!
But I’m afraid to get out a pen, lest I see some truly disgusting goings-on under that elephant.
looseheadprop, I don’t mean toast (Boehner, Reynolds, Shimkus) in individual elections. I want the toast of resignations, one week at a time, over the next 5 weeks.
Well on the one hand, the goopers want to build a wall to protect us from Mexicans- but they don’t wanna do shit ta protect pages from fucked up goopers. Go figure!
Ed*ard Teller @
9
That would have to be one heck of a spider hole.
Christy,
Someone should do a whole “connect the dots” activity book with the events of the last 6 years. It’d make a great drop-off piece for door-to-door canvassers to bring along for the kids while talking with the parents. It’d be especially great for Colleen Rowley’s campaign, but also good elsewhere.
Connecting the dots is such a great visual metaphor - easily understood, and easily applied. The evidence that the republicans in power can’t seem to do it just piles up higher each day - and the mess with Hastert and the House leadership is just the latest mess.
Heck, you’d probably have to leave a book for the parents, too! Fun for the whole family!!
What the goopers need now is somethin like the wolves video they used with such great success in 04– but instead of wolves the fearsome creatures must wear turbans,look gay and speak mexican. That should save congress for em.
GOP is the Potemkin values party.
afterthought @
34
That’s lovely.
Of course, Howie Kurtz would accuse you of “red-baiting” for that comment.
Yesterday one of the news channels was repeatedly showing a clip of Hastert taking off his coat- an virtual circus tent- and sitting down in a chair at a meeting.
The pathetic looking chair shivered as the man mountain settled his portly bulk into place- one could hear the wood beginning to crack and split– meanwhile- aids were positioning a crane for the grim job of getting the man mountain up again.
Has anyone seen anywhere any apology from any of the Republican leadership to any of the pages who were caught up in this? Any sense of remorse at all? Anything of that nature? I’ve been trying to find that in any of their statements, and I’m coming up with a blank on this. If anyone remembers something like this, I’d appreciate a link…because I think that is a HUGE gaping hole, and absolutely appalling, but I don’t want to level that charge without being able to back it up — and I don’t want to miss something on this. There has been so much written and said inthe last week, but I haven’t been able to find anything that says “I’m sorry” to these kids or their families from any of these people. Thoughts?
Just had a thought, from reading a term over at AmericaBlog:
The Republicans are no more qualified to conduct a War on Predators than they have been capable of conducting the War on Terrorism. We need new generals in both.
(meme-testing)
Experts have computed that if Hastert were to resign, retire, and move to the border–the first 10% of the wall to protect us from Mexicans will be in place.
rwcole @
33
LMAO.
rw at 36 — I know you probably didn’t mean it to sound this way, but sometimes people have weight issues for a variety of physiological reasons that they cannot help, and those sorts of comments about heavy-set individuals can be very painful for them. Having a dear friend who is morbidly obese due to such an issue, I know this sort of thing really makes her wince, and I just wanted to point that out for everyone to think about when talking about Hastert. Thanks.
I don’t know if its been posted yet Redd, but Keith O will have a new comment at the end of his show tonite!
This Foley thing leaves me feeling like I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop. Dunno what it could be but I feel like there’s going to be something coming from it.
Saw Rep.Chris Shays in debate on CSPAN this morning. I just love the way he tried to spin “what did Democrats know and when”. Sounded like he came there straight from FauxNews.
Prof @ 38
On NPR’s Wait, Wait Don’t Tell Me this weekend, someone said that the War on Drugs has created more drug users and the War of Terror has created more Terror. I shudder to think what their latest endeavor will produce.
Christy Hardin Smith @
37
Hastert’s original statement had some sort of lame comment which might be mistaken for an apology. That’s all I can remember.
Christy– Foley is the only one who has apologized for anything, and that was just to his family and his constituents, iirc.
http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5477137
Prof @ 38
John, in my view, just doesn’t get that the WoT language is right wing propaganda, and by adopting it, progressives lose. But then, he may have a different view of progressivism. Actually, I’ve never heard him talk about it.
One can imagine if we use that approach that we believe Democrats just need to be better Republicans, and I’m not sure how that helps us.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
I agree 100% Christy, HUGE gaping hole. I have seen zero wrt anything remotely approaching an apology. Apologizing implies they did something wrong and that contradicts their dummy defense. They didn’t know anything, therefore, they don’t have to apologize.
MATTHEWS: But you‘re not challenging his character here or word? Is that right? You don‘t challenge his word here? You think he might be telling the truth?
LAESCH: I will challenge his word. I‘ll get out there and say so. On page 186 of Dennis Hastert‘s book, he says that he listens to everything, and, you know, he knows everything that is going on. Use his words. Apparently he forgot, but on page 186 of his book, he says he listens to everything and he remembers everything.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15141833/
From the last thread:
gbear @ 34
There were a lot of good responses, but I’d like to make a point I didn’t see there. The key here is that these are self-identified value voters. These are the same holier-than-thou people for whom gay bashing is a supreme act of moral rectitude - the ones that are motivated to turn out by state constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage. They are going to simply blame gays in general for this scandal; we’re already seeing “gays are likely to be pedophiles” from the some of the wingnut sites.
We’re never going to get these people to vote for Dems, they are committed (just as many of us, for much better reasons, would never vote for a Republican). That having been said, the good news is that they are a small minority and there are a lot more voters who do see the corruption of power.
Bush mumbling about child safety? Fat pitch. I hope Wetterling can slam that notion down. Good grief, that is stupid.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
Shimkus has at least expressed remorse. From the St. Louis Post-Dispatch today:
Of course, this is part of a broader interview where Shimkus tries to turn this around on the media. Still, he at least acknowledged the existence of the pages and some personal remorse that he couldn’t keep them safe.
Redd–good point- I must confess that every time I see Hastert I am most struck by the size of the guy– it overwhelms any other rational judgement. It is ironic that he was once a wrestler who typically starve themselves to make weight. Denny is apparently now making up for it.
Another possible meme:
What we need in Washington is a War on Corruption.
According to the AP story: Voters Say Scandals Will Affect Votes :
And also:
Pachacutec @ 47
absolutely effing spot on…. thank you pach!
It’s beginning to seem to me that Foley used the friendly e-mails and invitations to seemingly innocent events like dinner and ice cream while these kids were in the page program, as a way to identify those who might be easy pickin’s after they left D.C. Once they left the program, it was all-IM, all the time, and I’m betting that Foley thought those IMs would simply vanish into the ether, never to be seen again.
It has “predator” written all over it, with all the planning and seduction and premeditation in there, too.
Hastert can’t get his story straight. He says if they had known they would have done something, but they did know and nothing was done.
I’m still not feeling comfortable with the FBI’s role in this, and can’t reconcile Gonzales prioritizing the cracking down on sexual predators and use of the internet for that purpose with the “nothing to see here” response from the FBI after CREW sent them the e-mails the same day they received them.
MayDaze @ 50
MayDaze, thanks a lot. That is a real deal breaker, as I understand it, from the perspective of objective and accurate polling.
Christy - did you mean to say “Again, there is no reporting on any paper
trialtrail on this”?I don’t recall anyone saying anything remotely consoling to the pages or their families Foley apologized to his family and his constiutents. Others are just talking about the Republican Party. I haven’t even heard anyone in the MSM say anything about the victimization. All they seem to be able to muster is their disgust over the behavior. It is a very sad retreat.
Here is link to House Ethics Committee:
http://www.house.gov/ethics/
… including list of members, and links to Ethics Manual, Member’s Handbook, and House Rules
Also, today’s Press Statement says “The Chairman and Ranking Minority Member intend to address the media today, at 1:30 pm, in Room H 321, The House Radio and TV Gallery”
I agree 100%.
That strongly suggests WH complicity in the cover-up, at least for the last three months (that’s when CREW gave the FBI the emails they had).
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
When Hastert released his very first statement last week, I called his office and pointed out it did not include anything along the lines of “I am sorry that we didn’t recognize those red flags at the time and prevent this from happening to more of our young people.” The staffer tangled with me and insisted the statement was very contrite; and I invited her to point me to the paragraph that expressed any sentiment like that. I let her silence sink in.
I’d suggest you do the same, if you are trying to document that there is no such apology. Call each office and invite them to point you to the apology paragraph. Then print the paragraphs they themselves point you to.
Christy -
For some reason, the link I included @ 52 doesn’t appear when I posted the comment. (It showed up in preview, but not when I submitted it.) It may be a problem from the Post Dispatch side.
Here’s the link to their “Metro East” section, where it’s currently the top story. If you don’t see it, try searching their site for “Shimkus” and it will pop up with the title “Defiant Shimkus Says He’ll Retain Post.”
The GOP let Foley treat the page program like his personal box of chocolates. The GOP let Halliburton treat Iraq like its own personal money farm. The GOP can’t be bothered to respond to warnings of sexual harassment any more than they could be bothered to respond to warnings of terrorist attacks.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
Republicans? Apologize for being Perverts and Hypocrites?
That would be like water apologizing for being wet.
Republicans have no Shame, only Lust — Lust for Power, Lust for Money, and Lust for Innocent Children.
Slightly OT, but did anyone catch Paul Weyrich on Nice Polite Republicans “All Things Considered” yesterday proclaim that it’s a well know fact that “gays are pre-occupied with sex.”?
Made me want to jerk the radio outta my dashboard and fling it out the window!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 17
Nothing like a little toxic waste spreading in your direction, right? What were Darth Cheney’s approvals, again–below 20 percent somewhere?
John Casper @
61
When did the Department of Justice request that Google and other search engine Web sites submit search engine queries to the Department of Justice?
The “War on …” thing does not need to be co-opted by Democrats; it’s ineffective as a policy, and even worse in execution. It’s a bumper-sticker that signals, “black hole for your tax dollars – lottery winnings for contractors and consultants.”
I am thrilled that Patty is getting to make the Saturday address. She is a great person. But often on policy issues alone she can be, charitably, less than dazzling. but on child issues she is passionate. And persuasive. And her ads here in MN are going on. The NRSC is now attacking back with ads against Patty, and they are dark grainy ads.
She is only 3 down in the lastest poll. I live in her district. If Amy Klobachar takes down Kennedy (puke), Collen Rawley takes her district, and Patty takes down Bachman (rich fundraiser for republicans), MN will be great place.
Oh and Hatch can defeat Pawlenty. Going to be very close.
Christy Hardin Smith @
37
Really, why do “the beasts” deserve an apology? Apologies would step all over the victim-blaming, which is the real GOP strategy.
On another note, I’m still in shock from having said at least twice this week, “Well, I agree with Bay Buchanan.” Maybe there’s something that Begala and I can take for the trauma.
One of my major “political” donations of 2005 went to CREW. In retrospect, the money was passing well spent & they’re getting another check in the near future. Good on watchdogs of all varieties!
KO tonight, watch it…he will have a go at it…again
Just had a call from some republican committee urging me to vote absentee immediately. Are they desperate to get what votes they can before the bigger story comes out, or are they planning to rf the elction via Diebold?
selise @ 55
ditto and I hope for the day that the “GWOT” is dropped from our vocabulary entirely.
Cozumel (49), Laesch didn’t bat any eye when he more than once stopped Matthews from putting words in his mouth. That was the first I’ve seen Laesch and he interviewed like a no-nonsense guy. We need many more of those.
Christy Hardin Smith @
11
first the CIA guys failed to connect the dots re 9/11.
now the CYA guys fail to connect the dots re Maf54.
let’s not feel compelled to color between the lines on this one.
Wrt to Foley, 3 Oct 2006 according to the WaPo as far as siezing his PC.
Feds order Foley documents preserved
angie @ 46
When he’s copped a guilty plea, I’ll consider responsibility assumed.
Ned Lamont had better put out a “Joe Lieberman is not interested in protecting our children from predators” ad IMMEDIATELY!!!
DeeinBigD @ 43
And where did Shays get his talking points? Not from FauxNews, but from an e-mail sent around to Republican Congressional offices his morning!
In a rare lifting of the curtain, ABC has obtained the talking points for the day that were circulated in an e-mail from the press secretaries of Hastert and Boehner. ABC’s blog The Note obtained them and has published the e-mail. (Someone in one of the Republican offices on the Hill must have gotten disgusted and sent it to ABC.)
It includes this spin, which is similar to what you quote from Christopher Shays:
and
Read the whole GOP talking points over at ABC. Usually, we aren’t able to see the actual documents that the Republicans circulate in the morning to their troops (called the “Gang of 500″ in the e-mail).
Giving due credit, I read about this first over at America Blog: Boehner and Hastert today blame the children who were the victims , where John A points out that the taking points e-mail aims at discouraging teenagers who have received IMs from Foley, or their parents, from speaking out now, for fear of being investigated at the request of the Republicans.
How low can these people sink?
What about the press coverup?
Seen on bartcop:
http://www.radaronline.com/exc.....secret.php
Doesn’t look good for Denny:
http://hotlineblog.nationaljou.....v_m_1.html
There is one other slimeball that should be included in this pig wallow. Why not ask Newt the Nasty what he knew and when he knew it. The date of 1995 keeps popping up.
Guess who was Speaker then and guess who was the main instigator of the corruption.
Hayduke @ 20:
there is more than one meaning to colon
Christy Hardin Smith @
37
This is so important. Foleygate is an icky sex scandal, and that’s why it’s getting so much media play. But there are other things going on here.
One of the first reactions from the pages I read about was that they were afraid Congress would eliminate the program over this. How does this relate to Christie’s question? Follow me:
The pages were afraid they would be eliminated because someone was caught abusing them. (not because someone was abusing them; because someone was caught abusing them) The pages were afraid they would be eliminated because they know the Republican leadership will project blame on the pages for the leadership’s failure in its feduciary duty.
The Republican Party doesn’t know what feduciary duty means. They are elitists in the worst sense of the word: It’s all about what have the commoners done for them.
The Republicans are not in Washington to serve. They are in Washington to be served. Why on earth are the pages not apologizing to Hastert and Boehner for causing this embarrassment? That’s the question Hastert, et al, are asking. That’s the apology they are contemplating. And the pages know it; they are afraid of being eliminated.
This sense of elitist entitlement — pre-revolutionary France type aristocracy — is at the base of so many of our country’s problems right now. It’s what lets congress gut the clean air act, screw up public schools, attempt to destroy Social Security, and send our precious service people over to die and be maimed to gratify President Baby’s ego. They matter. We don’t.
And any apologies they expect in this matter should be coming from the pages: Thank you, sir, may I have another.
“I’m still not feeling comfortable with the FBI’s role in this, and can’t reconcile Gonzales prioritizing the cracking down on sexual predators and use of the internet for that purpose with the “nothing to see here” response from the FBI after CREW sent them the e-mails the same day they received them.”
THIS story and the one on Americablog about it being a Repub who notified of the “naughty emails” are memes that need to be heard in the MSM. Maybe a post about these two things that we can then all Spotlight to the media.
Not only does it cancel out the Rethug talking points that this is “political” and “when did the Dems know, but it very distinctly separates the behavior of the two sides. It also throws into the WH’s lap.
It was a Gooper who spilled the beans. And when CREW found out they notified the FBI the SAME DAY! Why didn’t the FBI do anything til Foley’s resignation? Drop the bomb on these lying fuckers who covered a Predator!
JupiterPluvius @ 35
He could do that, but he’d be exhibiting about 150 years’ worth of historical ignorance in the process.
EvilDrPuma @
88
Yes. That was my point.
I’ve gotta disagree with this:
Prof @ 54
Please, please, no more War On Something. I’m sick of it.
And they are all just ways for Republicans to frighten the country into spending money to “solve” the problem.