
UPDATE: The Albany Times Union is reporting on its NYpolitics blog that Rep. Tom Reynolds urged Foley to run again, when Foley came to him contemplating not running for his 7th term (according to Bob Novak):
The state Democratic Party notes conservative columnist Robert Novak is reporting that NRCC Chair U.S. Rep. Tom Reynolds convinced now-disgraced former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley to run for re-election this fall even though Reynolds knew of the first round of questionable e-mails Foley had sent to a teenage male congressional page.
“A member of the House leadership told me that Foley, under continuous political pressure because of his sexual orientation, was considering not seeking a seventh term this year but that Rep. Tom Reynolds, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC), talked him into running,” Novak wrote.Reynolds confirmed to Novak that he did indeed urge Foley to run - as he urged all incumbents who “had not yet made up their minds.” Novak noted that the sexually explicit instant messages Foley sent to several male teens had not yet surfaced.
Perhaps Reynolds can explain this to the local media...but I'm certain that his constituents would truly like to know why it was that Reynolds was so adamant about Foley running again when he knew about the first spate of e-mails.
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The Buffalo News has an interesting interview with Kirk Fordham -- Rep. Tom Reynolds' current Chief of Staff, and former Rep. Mark Foley's former Chief of Staff. This is the fellow who tried to negotiate with ABC's Brian Ross to not broadcast the Foley internet correspondence in exchange for an exclusive interview with Foley. There is a lot of back and forth about Fordham's long, close relationship with his former boss and his family, and some noises about trying to protect Foley's elderly parents and sister from the contents of this correspondence (which may or may not be true to some extent, who knows, given the close history that these folks apparently shared).
But it was this point in the article where I threw up my hands and said baloney:
Kirk Fordham, Reynolds' chief of staff, acknowledged in an interview Tuesday that he approached ABC News investigative reporter Brian Ross last Friday with an offer: Ross would get the exclusive story on Foley's resignation from Congress in exchange for withholding those salacious instant messages.Fordham said he never discussed the offer with Reynolds. Instead, Fordham said he acted in an effort to shield Foley's family, especially his elderly parents, from the lurid contents of the instant messages.
Politics "was not even a factor in my consideration," Fordham said. "I wasn't trying to prevent them from doing the story. I wasn't trying to prevent them from even excerpting the messages. It was just a simple request that they not post the whole thing on the ABC Web site and broadcast it all on the evening news."...
But now it turns out that Reynolds did not know exactly what his own employee was doing while aiding his former boss.
"I didn't give him permission to have any conversations he's had at any time with Mark Foley either as his friend or his former employer," Reynolds said during an event in Amherst. "But I think it would be highly unusual for anybody here that they would ask permission if they could talk to someone on any nature on their own time."
Um...yeah. Reynolds' chief of staff leaves for a couple of days during the biggest political crisis of his current boss' career, and Reynolds has no idea why he is gone or where he has gone or anything.
And then he reads in the news that his Chief of Staff has gone down to Florida to help his former boss, the partial catalyst of Reynolds' current political crisis, do damage control with the media...and Reynolds is okay with that, seemingly, because Fordham is still on the payroll?!?
Sorry, not buying it. And neither is the DNC:
"It strains credibility to suggest that the chair of the committee working to re-elect a House majority would just let his chief of staff go missing during the last days of the session," said Damien LaVera, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee. "It's like a department store owner telling all the cashiers to take the day after Thanksgiving off."
But wait, Fordham digs in deeper:
In the interview, Fordham who joined Reynolds' staff about a year ago said Democrats are wrong to say that he tried to suppress the salacious instant messages to minimize the political damage Republicans would face from the scandal.On the contrary, Fordham said he thought it was inevitable that the messages would surface eventually in the blogosphere. He said he merely sought to prevent them from being reported on a major news site like ABC.
"I never intended to prevent this from being turned over to the proper law enforcement authorities," he added.
Oh, is that so? So can we assume that your next move after finding out about the internet correspondence was to call local and federal authorities?
Oh wait, no, in your own words, your next move was to immediately go to your boss, Tom Reynolds, the chairman of the NRCC who is responsible for Republican election hopes in the House and inform him about Foley's disgusting masturbation discussions with sixteen year olds that worked for the House:
Fordham said he then went back to Reynolds' office and met briefly with his boss."I described to him what was in the e-mails, what ABC News was about to release, and I told him that they were indefensible," Fordham said. "And pretty swiftly and immediately he said: he needs to resign and he needs to do it immediately."
So, then Fordham mysteriously decides to fly down to Florida to give Foley the news that the NRCC wanted him out of the race and pronto, but Reynolds had no idea this was going to happen?!? Suuuuuure.
And there is no indication in the Buffalo News (or in the LATimes account on this) that Fordham ever contacted proper authorities. Nor has there been any indication that anyone in the Republican House leadership ever did so.
Dana Milbank in the WaPo chronicles the Denny Hastert CYA Republican wingnut radio tour from yesterday (wherein Denny tries to save his own ass with the base, all the while dodging the buses that his subordinates appear to be lining up for him). I thought this was particularly telling of the whole smarmy Republican lack of responsibility attitude on this:
Hannity was not finished. "In all seriousness, how would you be responsible for what another congressman does on an instant message? How could you possibly know this kind of thing was going on?""We don't know," the speaker agreed.
Yes, Denny, how could you possibly know when the most that you and your political cronies did was verbally tell your Republican Congressional colleague to cease contact with this one boy after doing the bare minimum of follow-up on this with a verbal discussion with the alleged, potential harrasser. (And while we are at it this morning, why is there seemingly no paper trail on this with the GOP leadership? Was that on purpose to keep this on the down low? Wouldn't that be a good question to start asking, folks in the media?)
Did you do any further investigation other than taking Foley's word for things? Nope.
Did the fact that a young man had taken the extraordinary step of contacting Congressional staff about something he deemed to be "sick, sick, sick" even register with you as a big, fat red flag that something was wrong and needed further investigation? Nope.
Did it occur to anyone in the Republican House leadership who were "in the know" on this that the reason many children who are sexually harassed and abused do not come forward is that they are told by their harassers/abusers that "no one will believe you anyway" -- and that by their inaction, they have just confirmed that for at-risk kids all over the country? I bet it didn't.
Shame on everyone involved in this. You dropped the ball. You have failed to stand up and act like an adult and say "You know what? We messed this up, but we are going to make it right, learn from this and, in the process, use this as means of educating the American public about a problem that needs much, much more work in this nation of ours."
Instead, it's been all Republican CYA, and a whole lot of every GOP-man for himself and finger pointing. I am ashamed that this is what constitutes leadership in the current Republican-controlled House of Representatives. And I have had enough of all of this.
Stand up, act like an adult, take responsibility, and realize, for once in your craven, power-grabbing lives, that the safety of the kids entrusted to your care is more important than saving your own political asses. Stop lying to those of us in the public, too -- we'd all appreciate a little more honesty and a lot more putting America ahead of your own, personal, political interests.
But after watching all of this unfold, I'm not betting on that happening with this crew, either. Had enough?
(H/T to reader "Jacques" for the Buffalo News link. Thanks!)
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You are on a role today. Nice mix. In the right order. Keep pounding. Drive those nail home.
I really don’t think that ANYBODY could have anticipated the breach of the Levis.
It will be somewhat ironic if this is the issue that finally cracks the Republican base. Everyone has ignored the big stuff, Abramoff, Ney, Cunnimgham, the NH phone jamming, the latest Woodward revelation, and a myriad of others too numerous to count. And a sleazy pedophile is the thing that finally does the Rethug party in. While extremely serious and terribly troubling about how the House “leadership” really works, I still think this one is one of the smaller potatoes in the bag. Irony….
Why did they get away with the Jeff Gannon episode? Not sleazy enough?
Republican arrogance! Indict them!
The worst Hastert comment was with Rush, and I don’t have the exact wording, but it was essentially “the pages have compromised the ability of the Republican Party to protect this country”.� If that isn’t an invitation for the crazies to threaten these kids, I don’t know what is.
A good one for the spotlight, perhaps best from Illinois and NY firedogs to state media, regarding their illustrious congressional candidates, Hastert and Reynolds. The prospect of adding “former Congressman” to their titles is really enchanting.
Progressive shouting point:
Name one thing these clowns have done right.
Just one…
Keep asking and asking and asking.
Really: why aren’t they taking the whole lot of them in and arresting them for child abuse, conspiracy, and obstruction? Could it be that there are people here in the United States of America that are above the law??
Where Riecz Fisher when we need him?
The authorities can’t release the reports that were filed, if any - appropriately so. But the fact that no one - not a single member or staffer, current or former - is saying “Hey, I phoned it in!” leads me to think that this is yet another case of institutional “we can handle this internally” manure.
If someone *had* made a report, they’d be shouting it from the rooftops. The best anyone can do is say “I took it to Shimkus and Hastert.”
Sorry - that’s not reporting suspicions of abuse; that’s covering your tail.
Mike at 4 — thanks, I had it with an “e” originally, but that just didn’t look correct to me this morning for some reason. Have changed it back now. Appreciate the heads up.
Lessee, Foley (D-FL) takes full responsibility for his (D-FL) acts…
Oh, and BTW, he (D-FL) was abused by a priest as an adolescent and is gay (D-FL) and an alcoholic (D-FL). But, none of those characteristics have any bearing on his current (D-FL) problem, wink, wink.
Do they think we’re ALL in a coma?
GOPervs
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Denny tries to save his own ass with the base, all the while dodging the buses that his subordinates appear to be lining up for him.
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Any good programmers out there? This would make a fantastic update to the old “Frogger” game.
please excuse the early OT… but here’s a little cheer for y’all:
from AP vis boston globe:
Kerry to campaign for Lamont in Connecticut Senate race
Undeniable Liberal @ 6
I don’t think anyone could have anticipated that planes would be flown into buildings.
I don’t think anyone could have imagined that this evidence would have gotten out into the public domaine.
rizbiz @
11
Bush caught a big fish once.
Picking up a thread from elswhere, I’m wondering if it isn’t time to showcase incoming speaker Pelosi in a MOM-like role, i.e., “Mom would never allow this _____ “[fill in the blank].
[snort!] [guffaw!]
Now that is quite the image, Christy! Denny might have pulled it off if he were more Mr. Magoo-ish, but nope, not gonna’ happen. There’s a school bus yellow Hummer H1 bus with four-wheel drive, off-road tires and Denny’s name on the license plate…dead ahead.
Dodge, Denny, dodge!! Heh.
BobbyG @ 16
Is that a misspelling. Did you mean comma? ;-)
chisty, thanks again for following this story so i don’t have to try on my own to figure out what’s going on - i confess i find the whole thing so depressing…
With all this attention to Foley’s former chief of staff, it begs one more question: where the hell is Foley’s current chief of staff in this whole mess?
I haven’t seen any mention of this person anywhere. Have I missed something? Who’s been running Foley’s office since Fordham left to work for Reynolds?
911 “questions” are great but while you’re asking, ask these:
1. What about all those thousands of put options on airlines involved (not the ones NOT involved), financial institutions, etc? Put options require a NAME of a person or organization. Very easy to find out yet we hear bupkus.
2. The flight data recorders. I mean, c’mon, they are recovered from the bottom of the ocean but aren’t found here? What about the firefighter who says he found them?
3. What temperature does steel melt? 2,000 degrees? What temperature does jet fuel burn at? Maybe 1,200 on a good day? So how did these buildings basically turn into very fine rubble?
4. Why did the NY FAA tower controller run around afterwards and CUT UP the tapes of the air traffic and put them in different garbage cans? What was he covering up?
Nice work. Christy — did you get my e-mail to Redd re Republicans finally saying “enough?”
I’ll be spotlighting to Bible Belt editors. Can someone get their political reporters? What are others covering?
Politics “was not even a factor in my consideration,” Fordham said
. . . pausing a moment to see if lightning would strike him dead on the spot before continuing.
preaching to the choir here but…
Remember also that these pedophiles and their enablers are the same ones who just last week voted yes.. in the Pro Torture Bill.. to remove the restrictions on the treatment of juveniles
So are really shocked that they truly do not give a shit about protecting children?
In the interest of fairness, they did one thing right: the Do Not Call list.
rizbiz @ 11
OT:
This seems really to be a topic for this site, mediamatters and all that. It would be great if you could do a post back or whatever and get this up on firedoglake for a paddeling.
http://www.tompaine.com/articl.....in_ice.php
Is Olbermann On Thin Ice?
Jeff Cohen
October 04, 2006
I fear for Keith Olbermann.
Like so many others who hunger for some journalistic independence on TV news, I often marvel at Olbermann’s dogged reporting and unique commentary. In a cable news environment of conformity and conservatism…..
Hey gang, check out Jeffrey Feldman’s Frameshop on the Foley scandal in Congress.
Frank Probst @ 20
And wasn’t there a question of even that happening? He said it was a bass but it was really a carp.
Christy,
Ahh, so it was that old rascal the employee “frolic and detour” we heard so much about in Torts class. [seems like a seedy term in this context, doesn’t it?]
Richmond @ 23
LOL!!!
Good one. No, here’s a comma.
(warning, graphic)
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And, OK, if they are spinning this as the “gay” problem; Isn’t there someone out there now in MSM who has the guts to say, and what about Gannon, Cheney (daughter), Rove (father), the gays in the White House for a midnight “tour” and people such as Mehlman and Bolton about whom “rumors” have been circulating. Remember one of the things they are saying is that “rumors had been circulating about Foley.”
One reason why Foleygate has so much resonance with the country, to the extent it has surpassed all the other nightmare scenarios — do I need to name them? — in the news cycle, is that America is at once the most puritanical country in the world, while simultaneously being the most obsessed with sex.
Oh yes, Singapore may be more puritanical but they are not as obsessed with sex as we are. And Japan may be more sex obsessed but they are not as puritanical as we are. We take the prize therefore, in hypocrisy.
If one were to do a content analysis of what goes on in the Internet, sex, in all of its infinite variations, is the number one commodity in cyberspace.
The Foley scandal is a perfect conflation of these factors: sexual puritanism, obsession with sex, politics, and the Internet.
If nothing else, the Foley scandal is a mirror of the national persona. It tells a lot about who we are as a nation.
Will we learn something from this? Your guess is as good as mine.
Peterr @ 25
Peterr, great catch.
You’re the first person I recall mentioning this. Foley’s staff didn’t have any concerns about the safety of underage pages? These are workplace issues. Foley had supervisory authority over pages. If you know something, reporting it is not an “option.” Let’s hope at least some of these people used email or a fax, so there’s a record.
I think that Reynolds ought to have another presser — but with twice as many kids.
Redd/FDL Friends
Brilliant writings and insights
Hello, great work Christy. I just returned from a visit to the vet with my dog, the lovely Moxie, anyway to the point I overheard the vets talking in the hall about how stupid talk radio was for trying to blame this on Clinton. Now living in Price’s district in GA one would think that they would have agreed with the hate radio announcers.
Answering my own question at 8:28 . . .
From The Hill in May 2005:
Former reporter? Interesting.
Worked for Kildee and Jeffords? Interesting.
And yet no one seems to have asked her about all this . . . Very interesting.
Post updated above gang — Bob Novak is reporting that Foley had been considering not running this year, and that Reynolds talked him into the run — AFTER he knew about the e-mails. Sounds like Novak has a source with some long knives out for Reynolds…payback is a bitch, I suppose, for his recent knife in Hastert’s back. (Or maybe Boehner is clearing the field…or someone else with an eye on GOP leadership positions…pass me the popcorn…). Anyway, updated above, refresh to see the scoop.
Christy—concise and clear. Thanks!
I just can not understand how anyone can attempt to defend or spin their way out of this and not realize that their efforts will cost them much more. Far better to just be out with it, notify the authorities, get another (honest and moral) politician in the wings to take over, and be able to show that this is an isolated, damaged guy who’s now paying the price.
Effective leadership by adults. What a concept.
OT - but not. As we know Faux news reported several times that Foley is a Dem. WHY THE HELL ISN’T THE DEM LEADERSHIP ALL OVER THAT ON THE MSM WITH ANGER AND INDIGNATION! THIS IS A REPUG SCANDAL!! THAT THE BUSH SUPPORTERS WOULD EVEN DARE TO SAY THAT FOLEY (AND HASSERT??) ARE PART OF THE DEM ESTABLISHMENT IS NUTS!. (sorry for yelling).
FYI - Rasmussen rumors are flying that Lieberman is now up by 10 on Lamont. It is in the comments at the official Lamont blog.
Just FYI. Too early to get worried, although I hope Lamont keeps bringing in the big guns to campaign for him (Clark is a great start) and cranks his ad campaign up a notch in terms of the volume of ads he is running. Not that I am an expert on this.
This is o/t but I wanted to get it out there, as I haven’t seen it anywhere yet.
http://blogs.rockymountainnews......html#more
http://talkleft.com/howardscomplaint.pdf
Throw it in the blender.
OT and gag a maggot– Karyn Frist on msnbc pushing her new book.
immanentize @
39
He did have another presser, but without any kids. I’ll link to it at BuffaloGeek. In it he used the term “priveledged conversation with the Speaker.” I never heard that before. It sounds just like the spectacularly ahistorical “seal of the confessional” that so many Roman Catholic Bishops used to hide behind when they faced the identical questions that Hastert, Boehner, and Reynolds now won’t answer.
Has anyone ever heard of “priveledged conversation with the Speaker” of the House?
Is that like “priveledged conversation with my boss when we were planning to cover-up how one supervisor was routinely committing statutory rape with numerous other workers?”
I do have an important question that I feel needs an airing.
If the good folks in Florida do indeed vote for Foley, thinking their vote will go to the republican the party put in his place, What is to keep Foley from coming out of rehab, and maybe having no charges against him, from going right back into the house, if he wins?
This needs to be brought out.
How can the other members of the house stop him from taking his seat back, were he to garner enough votes to have won?I mean, if the people of Florida vote him back in, how can the house stop him from coming back?
They obviously can’t MAKE a member resign.
I’m sure if the voters in that florida district arent certain about this, they may be even more reluctant to vote for a PEDOPHILE?
Could this be a ploy to get Foley back in the house? Sounds a lil’ tricky to me.
*xyz @ 45
Don’t worry about it. The last time they ran against each other, Lieberman was up by a lot more than that at this point in the race.
I think that Reynolds ought to have another presser — but with twice as many kids.
Maybe he can rent out a Chuck E. Cheese this time.
NYMary @
51
You are funny.
Let’s start a pool –
How long will it take before Mark Foley goes from being a Republican Child Sex Predator to a Republican Child Molester?
End of the Week? End of Next Week? After the Election?
Not that it matters much — the ENTIRE Republican Leadership and Bush White House are Criminal Co-Conspirators in the Criminal Cover Up of a Republican Child Sex Predator.
But when will the narrative change? On the News Hour, a GOoPer flak catagorically stated there was no molestation — just internet messages from a Republican Child Sex Predator.
Yessir, the Murkan People and Republican Values Voters are gonna buy that line . . .
Mike @ 49
FWIW, Foley’s congressional website has been pulled and replaced by a help wanted ad. This does not negate your scenario, but it suggests that it’s unlikely.
buffalogeek
link above has three YouTubes. I only watched the first, all nine mind numbing minutes of Reynolds. It’s not Lent yet, so I haven’t forced myself to watch the other two yet.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....30927.html
from TVNewser.com
“O’Reilly Factor” Labels Mark Foley As Democrat
TVNewser | Brad Blog | Posted Wednesday October 4, 2006 at 09:19 AM
It’s just a misplaced letter, but what a misplaced letter: Swapping a “D” for an “R” last night, Fox News and “The O’Reilly Factor” labeled disgraced pedophile Congressman Mark Foley, longtime Republican, as a Democrat. Courtesy of TVNewser, here’s a clip; apparently it happened a number of times over the course of the broadcast, though they deleted the reference for the rerun (which, let’s face it, still gets plenty of viewers). As O’Reilly railed against Foley and his actions — entirely appropriately, and as he has done previously — the visual message to his viewers was that the perpetrator of these heinous crimes against children was a Democrat. This comes at a time when Republicans are desperately fighting the perception that they permissively allowed Foley to go about his business (and his “business”) on the hill, and that they are no longer the party of upright moral values.
Now, blaming O’Reilly for this is, of course, ridiculous: During a live show, he is obviously not the one at the controls. However, it’s a pretty grave error and one that has Democrats steamed. BradBlog reports that though the “D-FL” was scrubbed for the rerun no explanation was given and, from the screenshot, the actual correction was not made; instead of being designated “R” the screen was left blank. Errors happen, of course; it’s how the follow up is dealt with that really shows stripes. How O’Reilly handles this on the air tonight will provide some indication to how “fair” and “balanced” a position Fox is willing to take on this.
(And while we are at it this morning, why is there seemingly no paper trail on this with the GOP leadership? Was that on purpose to keep this on the down low? Wouldn’t that be a good question to start asking, folks in the media?)
I was wondering about that too. It seems to me at minimum the House Clerk would have something written down somewhere after he was “officially” notified. I tried finding out exactly what the House Clerk’s job description is yesterday but no luck.
One thing that I keep going back to in my mind is that teachers (at least in NY) are legally required to report AN suspected abuse of minors. My mother was a teacher in a poor district and while she was adamant about doing it, sometimes it wasn’t a clear-cut case and she’d agonize over it — but she did it.
How can it not be the same for congressmen?
Uh, that may not be what you meant to say. But it’s interesting.
Let’s think about it another way: is Foley the only one who went after pages? Or did Foley have something on the Foley Five that kept this quiet for 1, 5, or 11 years?
JPL–I don’t often hear of someone with a pet named Moxie. We had a cat named Moxie .
But the reason I came by to comment today is that I know that a number of people who left messages for Subway Serenade at my blog came from Firedoglake. I’m happy to report that he has a post at Howard-Empowered People, and it’s *good* news.
http://howardempowered.blogspot.com
UptownNYChick @
58
And Hastert was a HS gym teacher, IIRC. So he was probably a mandated reporter, unless he retired before we cared about that sort of thing, which is possible.
Peterr @
14
Someone in one of the threads made this comment yesterday. Sorry, but when I cut and pasted it in my notes, I missed the handle:
Melanie Sloan, the Executive Director of CREW saw many of the IMs/email
back in July. She is a former federal prosecutor with experience in sex
crimes.
She turned them over to the FBI about 2 1/2 months ago.
The FBI announced they were starting an investigation Sunday.
2 1/2 months later.
John Casper @ 48
This might be a rather clever attempt to bring their communications under the speech and debate clause which grants immunity for Congressmen. Clever, but I do not think it will work because it is more of a criminal law defense than an actual evidentiary privelege. And the problem for Reynolds and hastert is neither — it is political.
Good morning all –
Apparently the AP is doing it too:
link here
UptownNYChick @ 58
Simple answer: because laws (specific statutes) require teachers to report but do not require Congresspeople to do so.
Richmond @ 35
and may I just say that Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council is the vilest of the vile. He fabricates statistics and hides behind the word “research” in his lunatic organization’s name.
I wish someone would find some dirt in his closet. I’d love to wipe that smug, sanctimonious exression off his Lancome’d face.
Mike @
56
I can tell you the defense right now: Foley was a Democrat when he first ran for public office in the early 1980’s. But he flipped under Reagan and has been a loyal R apparatchik ever since, even becoming the public face of the “stop the recount” mess in 2000. He’s from Palm Beach, remember, home of the butterfly ballot, and they owe him a lot.
OT Bob Woodward was on Charlie Rose last night flogging his book. He may not be much of a journalist but he’s great at self-promotion. He’s also delusional. Paraphrase: “I think the title State of Denial shows how out in front I am on this,” he said and he’s right except for perhaps most of the progressive blogosphere for the last couple of years or so. Way to lead the pack from behind, Woody! Still I have to admit to a certain guilty pleasure when even a fluff interviewer like Rose whose stock in trade is the soft ball question got frustrated repeatedly with Woodward’s mealymouthed, self-serving answers.
I think that the spotlight that his book has cast on the July 10 meeting is important because it shows that the Bush Administration’s reaction to an imminent threat was to go on vacation but the idea that Bush and company were out to lunch before 911 and that Iraq is a mess were not exactly unknown even at the time, even now.
LindyH @ 62
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I know CREW filed a report. I meant “no one in Congress” appears to have done so.
FDL Friends
Does anyone know if the democrats request for an inquiry of under oath statements by leadership repugs is moving forward?
Hugh @ 68
I liked Arianna’s comparing it to giving a rave review to The White Album and saying “Those Beatles are really going places!”
Simple answer: because laws (specific statutes) require teachers to report but do not require Congresspeople to do so.
imm, thanks for your 8:55. I thought what was relevant was that Foley (like all Congresscritters) had “supervisory” authority over the pages. Hastert, Boehner, and Reynolds “supervised” both Foley and the pages. I thought these were workplace issues covered by Federal Sexual Harrassment law, as well as the evidence of negligence wrt evidence of statutory rape.
immanentize @ 65
Legally that may be the answer, but it falls short to me and a lot of other mothers I know.
congress passes laws…they don’t follow them.
UptownNYChick @ 58
At the first meet & great I went to for Eric Massa I asked him, should he make it to the House, to introduce legislation that makes COngress follow the same laws they make everyone else follow…
Pardon me if this has been mentioned already, but Monday I was listening to The Young Turks on AAR, who had Melanie Sloan from CREW on as a guest – she was also on with Al Franken yesterday.
Melanie said that they forwarded the e-mails they were given to the FBI almost as soon as they had a chance to read them, and that was in July. She said that she knew the agent she had given them to would not be able to open an investigation on his own, but fully expected an investigation to be opened at some point. As we know, the FBI initially declined to do so, saying there wasn’t enough evidence to suggest any criminal activity.
The FBI did get involved once the story broke last week, but not, apparently, before they were requested to do so – and the timing was such that Foley still had access to his office and home computers and would have had plenty of time to destroy his hard drive. CREW has asked for a Justice Department investigation into the FBI’s role in this – the same Justice Department that Alberto Gonzales has tasked to prioritize the investigation of the sexual exploitation and predation of children.
There’s a lot that doesn’t smell right, and the odor is not confined to the House leadership.
Hmmmm . . . Only reference I can find to Nicolson offering a comment or otherwise appearing in a media report is at the end of an item last Thursday at ABC’s Blotter:
Perhaps the reason for her public silence is that she said enough right there. If you want someone to thank for this mess, remember this: Foley WROTE the damn things!
The page who passed them along to Congressional staffers and members tried to put an end to them. No luck there.
Whoever passed them on to CREW tried to put an end to them, and CREW passed them on to the FBI to put an end to them. No luck there either.
Whoever passed them along to the media tried to put an end to them. Various folks got them and couldn’t confirm them, so didn’t run with the story, but ABC did.
Finally, someone got lucky, and it wasn’t Mark Foley.
UptownNYChick @ 72
While Hastert and the other House leaders are not mandated reporters, they still had a fiduciary responsibility which they clearly shirked.
Heh. Speaking of mothers…being a techie, I get daily emails from CNET.com. Today’s was particularly amusing and helpful to this mom:
October 03, 2006, 6:58 AM PDT
IMSafer scans your kids’ IMs for Foleys
Posted by: Rafe Needleman
Heh. Foley’s a term of art now. I’m going to check this software out to keep an eye on my kids’ IM’s — not that the older one doesn’t know how to IM safely, but the younger one gets a bit careless since he’s still figuring things out.
LMAO.
thinking about Frist’s comments on allowing the Taliban into the political ring in Afghanistan.
When a nation is divided to the point of war- will democracy work? If not- then Iraq is a lost cause and so is Afghanistan. I can’t think of a case where it HAS worked- can anyone else?
Rove must be working overtime digging up smut on the Dems in order to neutralize this issue. Is anyone hearing any rumors? Also someone earlier mentioned Jeff Gannon and at the time of his departure there were lots of rumors about goings on in the White House. I just have a gut feeling that Foley is just the tip of the ice berg.
Follow the money. Why is Foley hiding and unreachable for comment for 30 days? There is evidence he donated $100,000 to Reynolds… so he could continue his boy chasing? Who else did Foley buy? There’s more to this!
Bivey Memo says:
October 4th, 2006 at 8:29 am
Try these locations for better information:
Popular Mechanics on 9/11
Debunking 9/11
BTW, it has nothing to do with the melting point of steel, it has to do with the deformation point, which is about 700C, much lower than the fire temperature. Talk to materials, civil, and structural engineers.
An earlier post asked about the rumor of the page’s identity being outed. RAW has a story that William Kerr,Passionate America(?), will out the page on his web-site and radio show today. jebus is that sick
GW Clusterfuck’s recipe for dealing with a civil war “Just give em a democracy- everyone will vote- and the losers will go home and try to raise money to print more yard signs next time”.
He really is the world’s dumbest fuck.
JPL @ 80
Sure. He’s reassigned Foley to the Dems.
Anne #74
My impression of the FBI is that it remains a very bureaucratic top-down kind of organization. As a result, I think they would do almost anything to avoid a politically charged investigation without massive and incontrovertible evidence of a crime or political cover from the House leadership, which in the event was the very last thing that Hastert et al wanted to give.
Congressman questions what Hastert knew
WASHINGTON - A third figure in the page scandal threatening to the envelop House Speaker Dennis Hastert suggested Wednesday the speaker knew of an inappropriate e-mail that Rep. Mark Foley sent to a Louisiana boy before the matter became public
Rep. Rodney Alexander, R-La., the congressman who sponsored the page at the heart of the furor, said Hastert “knew about the e-mails that we knew about,” including one in which Foley asked the page to send his picture.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....NlYwM3MDM-
UNDER.THE.BUS LOL
It’s interesting to note that Republicans have spoken for years of a “homosexual agenda”, specifically to recruit America’s youth into a lifestyle of homosexuality. On the surface, of course it seemed to be nonsense, but in light of the Foley scandal and the long-standing GOP House leadership’s cover up and enabling of just such activity in their ranks, could it actually be that in their case at least they were telling the truth? (I ask this “tongue in cheek” of course-nod-nod-wink-wink).
Morning Firedogs,
some Bubba with a backhoe has sliced through local internet cables at home - so am checkin’ in via work - so glad to see y’all on it
Foley’s $100K - maybe nefarious, but as reported in prev threads, all house members are required by their Party to kick down a minimum of $100k, up to $600k for committee chairs - Dems too
whatever came of yesterday’s “developing” that National Journal was going to ‘out’ a few more congresscritters ? - nothing on their site this am
tfitznc @ 21
When she started her second comment on Friday about this matter with “As a mother and grandmother,” the Republicans in the House loudly booed her. It’s on the video at C&L.
No Sale, indeed! These nitwits are taxing our patience with their lame stories. Don’t they understand that “legal, tender” does not apply to pages?
JPL @ 79
According to Rude Pundit, Rove is simply spinning it as blame that lefty-liberal-commie- pinko-godless practice of coddling homosexuals. He’s trying to save the base for his GOTV on 11/7.
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
spin it Karl! Nobody does it like you sweetie. But this time it may be a bridge too far.
OT:
Public Rally with Ned and Gen. Wesley Clark
http://www.nedlamont.com/page/.....llies/wrvb