
UPDATE: The Albany Times Union is reporting on its NYpolitics blog that Rep. Tom Reynolds urged Foley to run again, when Foley came to him contemplating not running for his 7th term (according to Bob Novak):
The state Democratic Party notes conservative columnist Robert Novak is reporting that NRCC Chair U.S. Rep. Tom Reynolds convinced now-disgraced former U.S. Rep. Mark Foley to run for re-election this fall even though Reynolds knew of the first round of questionable e-mails Foley had sent to a teenage male congressional page.
“A member of the House leadership told me that Foley, under continuous political pressure because of his sexual orientation, was considering not seeking a seventh term this year but that Rep. Tom Reynolds, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC), talked him into running,” Novak wrote.Reynolds confirmed to Novak that he did indeed urge Foley to run – as he urged all incumbents who “had not yet made up their minds.” Novak noted that the sexually explicit instant messages Foley sent to several male teens had not yet surfaced.
Perhaps Reynolds can explain this to the local media…but I'm certain that his constituents would truly like to know why it was that Reynolds was so adamant about Foley running again when he knew about the first spate of e-mails.
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The Buffalo News has an interesting interview with Kirk Fordham — Rep. Tom Reynolds' current Chief of Staff, and former Rep. Mark Foley's former Chief of Staff. This is the fellow who tried to negotiate with ABC's Brian Ross to not broadcast the Foley internet correspondence in exchange for an exclusive interview with Foley. There is a lot of back and forth about Fordham's long, close relationship with his former boss and his family, and some noises about trying to protect Foley's elderly parents and sister from the contents of this correspondence (which may or may not be true to some extent, who knows, given the close history that these folks apparently shared).
But it was this point in the article where I threw up my hands and said baloney:
Kirk Fordham, Reynolds' chief of staff, acknowledged in an interview Tuesday that he approached ABC News investigative reporter Brian Ross last Friday with an offer: Ross would get the exclusive story on Foley's resignation from Congress in exchange for withholding those salacious instant messages.
Fordham said he never discussed the offer with Reynolds. Instead, Fordham said he acted in an effort to shield Foley's family, especially his elderly parents, from the lurid contents of the instant messages.
Politics "was not even a factor in my consideration," Fordham said. "I wasn't trying to prevent them from doing the story. I wasn't trying to prevent them from even excerpting the messages. It was just a simple request that they not post the whole thing on the ABC Web site and broadcast it all on the evening news."…
But now it turns out that Reynolds did not know exactly what his own employee was doing while aiding his former boss.
"I didn't give him permission to have any conversations he's had at any time with Mark Foley either as his friend or his former employer," Reynolds said during an event in Amherst. "But I think it would be highly unusual for anybody here that they would ask permission if they could talk to someone on any nature on their own time."
Um…yeah. Reynolds' chief of staff leaves for a couple of days during the biggest political crisis of his current boss' career, and Reynolds has no idea why he is gone or where he has gone or anything.
And then he reads in the news that his Chief of Staff has gone down to Florida to help his former boss, the partial catalyst of Reynolds' current political crisis, do damage control with the media…and Reynolds is okay with that, seemingly, because Fordham is still on the payroll?!?
Sorry, not buying it. And neither is the DNC:
"It strains credibility to suggest that the chair of the committee working to re-elect a House majority would just let his chief of staff go missing during the last days of the session," said Damien LaVera, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee. "It's like a department store owner telling all the cashiers to take the day after Thanksgiving off."
But wait, Fordham digs in deeper:
In the interview, Fordham who joined Reynolds' staff about a year ago said Democrats are wrong to say that he tried to suppress the salacious instant messages to minimize the political damage Republicans would face from the scandal.On the contrary, Fordham said he thought it was inevitable that the messages would surface eventually in the blogosphere. He said he merely sought to prevent them from being reported on a major news site like ABC.
"I never intended to prevent this from being turned over to the proper law enforcement authorities," he added.
Oh, is that so? So can we assume that your next move after finding out about the internet correspondence was to call local and federal authorities?
Oh wait, no, in your own words, your next move was to immediately go to your boss, Tom Reynolds, the chairman of the NRCC who is responsible for Republican election hopes in the House and inform him about Foley's disgusting masturbation discussions with sixteen year olds that worked for the House:
Fordham said he then went back to Reynolds' office and met briefly with his boss.
"I described to him what was in the e-mails, what ABC News was about to release, and I told him that they were indefensible," Fordham said. "And pretty swiftly and immediately he said: he needs to resign and he needs to do it immediately."
So, then Fordham mysteriously decides to fly down to Florida to give Foley the news that the NRCC wanted him out of the race and pronto, but Reynolds had no idea this was going to happen?!? Suuuuuure.
And there is no indication in the Buffalo News (or in the LATimes account on this) that Fordham ever contacted proper authorities. Nor has there been any indication that anyone in the Republican House leadership ever did so.
Dana Milbank in the WaPo chronicles the Denny Hastert CYA Republican wingnut radio tour from yesterday (wherein Denny tries to save his own ass with the base, all the while dodging the buses that his subordinates appear to be lining up for him). I thought this was particularly telling of the whole smarmy Republican lack of responsibility attitude on this:
Hannity was not finished. "In all seriousness, how would you be responsible for what another congressman does on an instant message? How could you possibly know this kind of thing was going on?"
"We don't know," the speaker agreed.
Yes, Denny, how could you possibly know when the most that you and your political cronies did was verbally tell your Republican Congressional colleague to cease contact with this one boy after doing the bare minimum of follow-up on this with a verbal discussion with the alleged, potential harrasser. (And while we are at it this morning, why is there seemingly no paper trail on this with the GOP leadership? Was that on purpose to keep this on the down low? Wouldn't that be a good question to start asking, folks in the media?)
Did you do any further investigation other than taking Foley's word for things? Nope.
Did the fact that a young man had taken the extraordinary step of contacting Congressional staff about something he deemed to be "sick, sick, sick" even register with you as a big, fat red flag that something was wrong and needed further investigation? Nope.
Did it occur to anyone in the Republican House leadership who were "in the know" on this that the reason many children who are sexually harassed and abused do not come forward is that they are told by their harassers/abusers that "no one will believe you anyway" — and that by their inaction, they have just confirmed that for at-risk kids all over the country? I bet it didn't.
Shame on everyone involved in this. You dropped the ball. You have failed to stand up and act like an adult and say "You know what? We messed this up, but we are going to make it right, learn from this and, in the process, use this as means of educating the American public about a problem that needs much, much more work in this nation of ours."
Instead, it's been all Republican CYA, and a whole lot of every GOP-man for himself and finger pointing. I am ashamed that this is what constitutes leadership in the current Republican-controlled House of Representatives. And I have had enough of all of this.
Stand up, act like an adult, take responsibility, and realize, for once in your craven, power-grabbing lives, that the safety of the kids entrusted to your care is more important than saving your own political asses. Stop lying to those of us in the public, too — we'd all appreciate a little more honesty and a lot more putting America ahead of your own, personal, political interests.
But after watching all of this unfold, I'm not betting on that happening with this crew, either. Had enough?
(H/T to reader "Jacques" for the Buffalo News link. Thanks!)
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JAIL CONDI!
Need more popcorn!
And yes Christy – enough!!!
correspondEnce
Redd
You are on a role today. Nice mix. In the right order. Keep pounding. Drive those nail home.
I really don’t think that ANYBODY could have anticipated the breach of the Levis.
It will be somewhat ironic if this is the issue that finally cracks the Republican base. Everyone has ignored the big stuff, Abramoff, Ney, Cunnimgham, the NH phone jamming, the latest Woodward revelation, and a myriad of others too numerous to count. And a sleazy pedophile is the thing that finally does the Rethug party in. While extremely serious and terribly troubling about how the House “leadership” really works, I still think this one is one of the smaller potatoes in the bag. Irony….
Why did they get away with the Jeff Gannon episode? Not sleazy enough?
Republican arrogance! Indict them!
The worst Hastert comment was with Rush, and I don’t have the exact wording, but it was essentially “the pages have compromised the ability of the Republican Party to protect this country”.� If that isn’t an invitation for the crazies to threaten these kids, I don’t know what is.
A good one for the spotlight, perhaps best from Illinois and NY firedogs to state media, regarding their illustrious congressional candidates, Hastert and Reynolds. The prospect of adding “former Congressman” to their titles is really enchanting.
Progressive shouting point:
Name one thing these clowns have done right.
Just one…
Keep asking and asking and asking.
Really: why aren’t they taking the whole lot of them in and arresting them for child abuse, conspiracy, and obstruction? Could it be that there are people here in the United States of America that are above the law??
Where Riecz Fisher when we need him?
The authorities can’t release the reports that were filed, if any – appropriately so. But the fact that no one – not a single member or staffer, current or former – is saying “Hey, I phoned it in!” leads me to think that this is yet another case of institutional “we can handle this internally” manure.
If someone *had* made a report, they’d be shouting it from the rooftops. The best anyone can do is say “I took it to Shimkus and Hastert.”
Sorry – that’s not reporting suspicions of abuse; that’s covering your tail.
Mike at 4 — thanks, I had it with an “e” originally, but that just didn’t look correct to me this morning for some reason. Have changed it back now. Appreciate the heads up.
Lessee, Foley (D-FL) takes full responsibility for his (D-FL) acts…
Oh, and BTW, he (D-FL) was abused by a priest as an adolescent and is gay (D-FL) and an alcoholic (D-FL). But, none of those characteristics have any bearing on his current (D-FL) problem, wink, wink.
Do they think we’re ALL in a coma?
GOPervs
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Denny tries to save his own ass with the base, all the while dodging the buses that his subordinates appear to be lining up for him.
————————————————————
Any good programmers out there? This would make a fantastic update to the old “Frogger” game.
please excuse the early OT… but here’s a little cheer for y’all:
from AP vis boston globe:
Kerry to campaign for Lamont in Connecticut Senate race
Undeniable Liberal @ 6
I don’t think anyone could have anticipated that planes would be flown into buildings.
I don’t think anyone could have imagined that this evidence would have gotten out into the public domaine.
rizbiz @
11
Bush caught a big fish once.
Picking up a thread from elswhere, I’m wondering if it isn’t time to showcase incoming speaker Pelosi in a MOM-like role, i.e., “Mom would never allow this _____ “[fill in the blank].
[snort!] [guffaw!]
Now that is quite the image, Christy! Denny might have pulled it off if he were more Mr. Magoo-ish, but nope, not gonna’ happen. There’s a school bus yellow Hummer H1 bus with four-wheel drive, off-road tires and Denny’s name on the license plate…dead ahead.
Dodge, Denny, dodge!! Heh.
BobbyG @ 16
Is that a misspelling. Did you mean comma? ;-)
chisty, thanks again for following this story so i don’t have to try on my own to figure out what’s going on – i confess i find the whole thing so depressing…
With all this attention to Foley’s former chief of staff, it begs one more question: where the hell is Foley’s current chief of staff in this whole mess?
I haven’t seen any mention of this person anywhere. Have I missed something? Who’s been running Foley’s office since Fordham left to work for Reynolds?
911 “questions” are great but while you’re asking, ask these:
1. What about all those thousands of put options on airlines involved (not the ones NOT involved), financial institutions, etc? Put options require a NAME of a person or organization. Very easy to find out yet we hear bupkus.
2. The flight data recorders. I mean, c’mon, they are recovered from the bottom of the ocean but aren’t found here? What about the firefighter who says he found them?
3. What temperature does steel melt? 2,000 degrees? What temperature does jet fuel burn at? Maybe 1,200 on a good day? So how did these buildings basically turn into very fine rubble?
4. Why did the NY FAA tower controller run around afterwards and CUT UP the tapes of the air traffic and put them in different garbage cans? What was he covering up?
Nice work. Christy — did you get my e-mail to Redd re Republicans finally saying “enough?”
I’ll be spotlighting to Bible Belt editors. Can someone get their political reporters? What are others covering?
Politics “was not even a factor in my consideration,” Fordham said
. . . pausing a moment to see if lightning would strike him dead on the spot before continuing.
preaching to the choir here but…
Remember also that these pedophiles and their enablers are the same ones who just last week voted yes.. in the Pro Torture Bill.. to remove the restrictions on the treatment of juveniles
So are really shocked that they truly do not give a shit about protecting children?
In the interest of fairness, they did one thing right: the Do Not Call list.
rizbiz @ 11
OT:
This seems really to be a topic for this site, mediamatters and all that. It would be great if you could do a post back or whatever and get this up on firedoglake for a paddeling.
http://www.tompaine.com/articl…..in_ice.php
Is Olbermann On Thin Ice?
Jeff Cohen
October 04, 2006
I fear for Keith Olbermann.
Like so many others who hunger for some journalistic independence on TV news, I often marvel at Olbermann’s dogged reporting and unique commentary. In a cable news environment of conformity and conservatism…..
Hey gang, check out Jeffrey Feldman’s Frameshop on the Foley scandal in Congress.
Frank Probst @ 20
And wasn’t there a question of even that happening? He said it was a bass but it was really a carp.
Christy,
Ahh, so it was that old rascal the employee “frolic and detour” we heard so much about in Torts class. [seems like a seedy term in this context, doesn’t it?]
Richmond @ 23
LOL!!!
Good one. No, here’s a comma.
(warning, graphic)
_
And, OK, if they are spinning this as the “gay” problem; Isn’t there someone out there now in MSM who has the guts to say, and what about Gannon, Cheney (daughter), Rove (father), the gays in the White House for a midnight “tour” and people such as Mehlman and Bolton about whom “rumors” have been circulating. Remember one of the things they are saying is that “rumors had been circulating about Foley.”
One reason why Foleygate has so much resonance with the country, to the extent it has surpassed all the other nightmare scenarios — do I need to name them? — in the news cycle, is that America is at once the most puritanical country in the world, while simultaneously being the most obsessed with sex.
Oh yes, Singapore may be more puritanical but they are not as obsessed with sex as we are. And Japan may be more sex obsessed but they are not as puritanical as we are. We take the prize therefore, in hypocrisy.
If one were to do a content analysis of what goes on in the Internet, sex, in all of its infinite variations, is the number one commodity in cyberspace.
The Foley scandal is a perfect conflation of these factors: sexual puritanism, obsession with sex, politics, and the Internet.
If nothing else, the Foley scandal is a mirror of the national persona. It tells a lot about who we are as a nation.
Will we learn something from this? Your guess is as good as mine.
Peterr @ 25
Peterr, great catch.
You’re the first person I recall mentioning this. Foley’s staff didn’t have any concerns about the safety of underage pages? These are workplace issues. Foley had supervisory authority over pages. If you know something, reporting it is not an “option.” Let’s hope at least some of these people used email or a fax, so there’s a record.
I think that Reynolds ought to have another presser — but with twice as many kids.
Redd/FDL Friends
Brilliant writings and insights
Hello, great work Christy. I just returned from a visit to the vet with my dog, the lovely Moxie, anyway to the point I overheard the vets talking in the hall about how stupid talk radio was for trying to blame this on Clinton. Now living in Price’s district in GA one would think that they would have agreed with the hate radio announcers.
Answering my own question at 8:28 . . .
From The Hill in May 2005:
Former reporter? Interesting.
Worked for Kildee and Jeffords? Interesting.
And yet no one seems to have asked her about all this . . . Very interesting.
Post updated above gang — Bob Novak is reporting that Foley had been considering not running this year, and that Reynolds talked him into the run — AFTER he knew about the e-mails. Sounds like Novak has a source with some long knives out for Reynolds…payback is a bitch, I suppose, for his recent knife in Hastert’s back. (Or maybe Boehner is clearing the field…or someone else with an eye on GOP leadership positions…pass me the popcorn…). Anyway, updated above, refresh to see the scoop.
Christy—concise and clear. Thanks!
I just can not understand how anyone can attempt to defend or spin their way out of this and not realize that their efforts will cost them much more. Far better to just be out with it, notify the authorities, get another (honest and moral) politician in the wings to take over, and be able to show that this is an isolated, damaged guy who’s now paying the price.
Effective leadership by adults. What a concept.
OT – but not. As we know Faux news reported several times that Foley is a Dem. WHY THE HELL ISN’T THE DEM LEADERSHIP ALL OVER THAT ON THE MSM WITH ANGER AND INDIGNATION! THIS IS A REPUG SCANDAL!! THAT THE BUSH SUPPORTERS WOULD EVEN DARE TO SAY THAT FOLEY (AND HASSERT??) ARE PART OF THE DEM ESTABLISHMENT IS NUTS!. (sorry for yelling).
FYI – Rasmussen rumors are flying that Lieberman is now up by 10 on Lamont. It is in the comments at the official Lamont blog.
Just FYI. Too early to get worried, although I hope Lamont keeps bringing in the big guns to campaign for him (Clark is a great start) and cranks his ad campaign up a notch in terms of the volume of ads he is running. Not that I am an expert on this.
This is o/t but I wanted to get it out there, as I haven’t seen it anywhere yet.
http://blogs.rockymountainnews……html#more
http://talkleft.com/howardscomplaint.pdf
Throw it in the blender.
OT and gag a maggot– Karyn Frist on msnbc pushing her new book.
immanentize @
39
He did have another presser, but without any kids. I’ll link to it at BuffaloGeek. In it he used the term “priveledged conversation with the Speaker.” I never heard that before. It sounds just like the spectacularly ahistorical “seal of the confessional” that so many Roman Catholic Bishops used to hide behind when they faced the identical questions that Hastert, Boehner, and Reynolds now won’t answer.
Has anyone ever heard of “priveledged conversation with the Speaker” of the House?
Is that like “priveledged conversation with my boss when we were planning to cover-up how one supervisor was routinely committing statutory rape with numerous other workers?”
I do have an important question that I feel needs an airing.
If the good folks in Florida do indeed vote for Foley, thinking their vote will go to the republican the party put in his place, What is to keep Foley from coming out of rehab, and maybe having no charges against him, from going right back into the house, if he wins?
This needs to be brought out.
How can the other members of the house stop him from taking his seat back, were he to garner enough votes to have won?I mean, if the people of Florida vote him back in, how can the house stop him from coming back?
They obviously can’t MAKE a member resign.
I’m sure if the voters in that florida district arent certain about this, they may be even more reluctant to vote for a PEDOPHILE?
Could this be a ploy to get Foley back in the house? Sounds a lil’ tricky to me.
*xyz @ 45
Don’t worry about it. The last time they ran against each other, Lieberman was up by a lot more than that at this point in the race.
I think that Reynolds ought to have another presser — but with twice as many kids.
Maybe he can rent out a Chuck E. Cheese this time.
NYMary @
51
You are funny.
Let’s start a pool –
How long will it take before Mark Foley goes from being a Republican Child Sex Predator to a Republican Child Molester?
End of the Week? End of Next Week? After the Election?
Not that it matters much — the ENTIRE Republican Leadership and Bush White House are Criminal Co-Conspirators in the Criminal Cover Up of a Republican Child Sex Predator.
But when will the narrative change? On the News Hour, a GOoPer flak catagorically stated there was no molestation — just internet messages from a Republican Child Sex Predator.
Yessir, the Murkan People and Republican Values Voters are gonna buy that line . . .
Mike @ 49
FWIW, Foley’s congressional website has been pulled and replaced by a help wanted ad. This does not negate your scenario, but it suggests that it’s unlikely.
buffalogeek
link above has three YouTubes. I only watched the first, all nine mind numbing minutes of Reynolds. It’s not Lent yet, so I haven’t forced myself to watch the other two yet.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..30927.html
from TVNewser.com
“O’Reilly Factor” Labels Mark Foley As Democrat
TVNewser | Brad Blog | Posted Wednesday October 4, 2006 at 09:19 AM
It’s just a misplaced letter, but what a misplaced letter: Swapping a “D” for an “R” last night, Fox News and “The O’Reilly Factor” labeled disgraced pedophile Congressman Mark Foley, longtime Republican, as a Democrat. Courtesy of TVNewser, here’s a clip; apparently it happened a number of times over the course of the broadcast, though they deleted the reference for the rerun (which, let’s face it, still gets plenty of viewers). As O’Reilly railed against Foley and his actions — entirely appropriately, and as he has done previously — the visual message to his viewers was that the perpetrator of these heinous crimes against children was a Democrat. This comes at a time when Republicans are desperately fighting the perception that they permissively allowed Foley to go about his business (and his “business”) on the hill, and that they are no longer the party of upright moral values.
Now, blaming O’Reilly for this is, of course, ridiculous: During a live show, he is obviously not the one at the controls. However, it’s a pretty grave error and one that has Democrats steamed. BradBlog reports that though the “D-FL” was scrubbed for the rerun no explanation was given and, from the screenshot, the actual correction was not made; instead of being designated “R” the screen was left blank. Errors happen, of course; it’s how the follow up is dealt with that really shows stripes. How O’Reilly handles this on the air tonight will provide some indication to how “fair” and “balanced” a position Fox is willing to take on this.
(And while we are at it this morning, why is there seemingly no paper trail on this with the GOP leadership? Was that on purpose to keep this on the down low? Wouldn’t that be a good question to start asking, folks in the media?)
I was wondering about that too. It seems to me at minimum the House Clerk would have something written down somewhere after he was “officially” notified. I tried finding out exactly what the House Clerk’s job description is yesterday but no luck.
One thing that I keep going back to in my mind is that teachers (at least in NY) are legally required to report AN suspected abuse of minors. My mother was a teacher in a poor district and while she was adamant about doing it, sometimes it wasn’t a clear-cut case and she’d agonize over it — but she did it.
How can it not be the same for congressmen?
Uh, that may not be what you meant to say. But it’s interesting.
Let’s think about it another way: is Foley the only one who went after pages? Or did Foley have something on the Foley Five that kept this quiet for 1, 5, or 11 years?
JPL–I don’t often hear of someone with a pet named Moxie. We had a cat named Moxie .
But the reason I came by to comment today is that I know that a number of people who left messages for Subway Serenade at my blog came from Firedoglake. I’m happy to report that he has a post at Howard-Empowered People, and it’s *good* news.
http://howardempowered.blogspot.com
UptownNYChick @
58
And Hastert was a HS gym teacher, IIRC. So he was probably a mandated reporter, unless he retired before we cared about that sort of thing, which is possible.
Peterr @
14
Someone in one of the threads made this comment yesterday. Sorry, but when I cut and pasted it in my notes, I missed the handle:
Melanie Sloan, the Executive Director of CREW saw many of the IMs/email
back in July. She is a former federal prosecutor with experience in sex
crimes.
She turned them over to the FBI about 2 1/2 months ago.
The FBI announced they were starting an investigation Sunday.
2 1/2 months later.
John Casper @ 48
This might be a rather clever attempt to bring their communications under the speech and debate clause which grants immunity for Congressmen. Clever, but I do not think it will work because it is more of a criminal law defense than an actual evidentiary privelege. And the problem for Reynolds and hastert is neither — it is political.
Good morning all –
Apparently the AP is doing it too:
link here
UptownNYChick @ 58
Simple answer: because laws (specific statutes) require teachers to report but do not require Congresspeople to do so.
Richmond @ 35
and may I just say that Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council is the vilest of the vile. He fabricates statistics and hides behind the word “research” in his lunatic organization’s name.
I wish someone would find some dirt in his closet. I’d love to wipe that smug, sanctimonious exression off his Lancome’d face.
Mike @
56
I can tell you the defense right now: Foley was a Democrat when he first ran for public office in the early 1980’s. But he flipped under Reagan and has been a loyal R apparatchik ever since, even becoming the public face of the “stop the recount” mess in 2000. He’s from Palm Beach, remember, home of the butterfly ballot, and they owe him a lot.
OT Bob Woodward was on Charlie Rose last night flogging his book. He may not be much of a journalist but he’s great at self-promotion. He’s also delusional. Paraphrase: “I think the title State of Denial shows how out in front I am on this,” he said and he’s right except for perhaps most of the progressive blogosphere for the last couple of years or so. Way to lead the pack from behind, Woody! Still I have to admit to a certain guilty pleasure when even a fluff interviewer like Rose whose stock in trade is the soft ball question got frustrated repeatedly with Woodward’s mealymouthed, self-serving answers.
I think that the spotlight that his book has cast on the July 10 meeting is important because it shows that the Bush Administration’s reaction to an imminent threat was to go on vacation but the idea that Bush and company were out to lunch before 911 and that Iraq is a mess were not exactly unknown even at the time, even now.
LindyH @ 62
Sorry, I should have been clearer. I know CREW filed a report. I meant “no one in Congress” appears to have done so.
FDL Friends
Does anyone know if the democrats request for an inquiry of under oath statements by leadership repugs is moving forward?
Hugh @ 68
I liked Arianna’s comparing it to giving a rave review to The White Album and saying “Those Beatles are really going places!”
Simple answer: because laws (specific statutes) require teachers to report but do not require Congresspeople to do so.
imm, thanks for your 8:55. I thought what was relevant was that Foley (like all Congresscritters) had “supervisory” authority over the pages. Hastert, Boehner, and Reynolds “supervised” both Foley and the pages. I thought these were workplace issues covered by Federal Sexual Harrassment law, as well as the evidence of negligence wrt evidence of statutory rape.
immanentize @ 65
Legally that may be the answer, but it falls short to me and a lot of other mothers I know.
congress passes laws…they don’t follow them.
UptownNYChick @ 58
At the first meet & great I went to for Eric Massa I asked him, should he make it to the House, to introduce legislation that makes COngress follow the same laws they make everyone else follow…
Pardon me if this has been mentioned already, but Monday I was listening to The Young Turks on AAR, who had Melanie Sloan from CREW on as a guest – she was also on with Al Franken yesterday.
Melanie said that they forwarded the e-mails they were given to the FBI almost as soon as they had a chance to read them, and that was in July. She said that she knew the agent she had given them to would not be able to open an investigation on his own, but fully expected an investigation to be opened at some point. As we know, the FBI initially declined to do so, saying there wasn’t enough evidence to suggest any criminal activity.
The FBI did get involved once the story broke last week, but not, apparently, before they were requested to do so – and the timing was such that Foley still had access to his office and home computers and would have had plenty of time to destroy his hard drive. CREW has asked for a Justice Department investigation into the FBI’s role in this – the same Justice Department that Alberto Gonzales has tasked to prioritize the investigation of the sexual exploitation and predation of children.
There’s a lot that doesn’t smell right, and the odor is not confined to the House leadership.
Hmmmm . . . Only reference I can find to Nicolson offering a comment or otherwise appearing in a media report is at the end of an item last Thursday at ABC’s Blotter:
Perhaps the reason for her public silence is that she said enough right there. If you want someone to thank for this mess, remember this: Foley WROTE the damn things!
The page who passed them along to Congressional staffers and members tried to put an end to them. No luck there.
Whoever passed them on to CREW tried to put an end to them, and CREW passed them on to the FBI to put an end to them. No luck there either.
Whoever passed them along to the media tried to put an end to them. Various folks got them and couldn’t confirm them, so didn’t run with the story, but ABC did.
Finally, someone got lucky, and it wasn’t Mark Foley.
UptownNYChick @ 72
While Hastert and the other House leaders are not mandated reporters, they still had a fiduciary responsibility which they clearly shirked.
Heh. Speaking of mothers…being a techie, I get daily emails from CNET.com. Today’s was particularly amusing and helpful to this mom:
October 03, 2006, 6:58 AM PDT
IMSafer scans your kids’ IMs for Foleys
Posted by: Rafe Needleman
Heh. Foley’s a term of art now. I’m going to check this software out to keep an eye on my kids’ IM’s — not that the older one doesn’t know how to IM safely, but the younger one gets a bit careless since he’s still figuring things out.
LMAO.
thinking about Frist’s comments on allowing the Taliban into the political ring in Afghanistan.
When a nation is divided to the point of war- will democracy work? If not- then Iraq is a lost cause and so is Afghanistan. I can’t think of a case where it HAS worked- can anyone else?
Rove must be working overtime digging up smut on the Dems in order to neutralize this issue. Is anyone hearing any rumors? Also someone earlier mentioned Jeff Gannon and at the time of his departure there were lots of rumors about goings on in the White House. I just have a gut feeling that Foley is just the tip of the ice berg.
Follow the money. Why is Foley hiding and unreachable for comment for 30 days? There is evidence he donated $100,000 to Reynolds… so he could continue his boy chasing? Who else did Foley buy? There’s more to this!
Bivey Memo says:
October 4th, 2006 at 8:29 am
Try these locations for better information:
Popular Mechanics on 9/11
Debunking 9/11
BTW, it has nothing to do with the melting point of steel, it has to do with the deformation point, which is about 700C, much lower than the fire temperature. Talk to materials, civil, and structural engineers.
An earlier post asked about the rumor of the page’s identity being outed. RAW has a story that William Kerr,Passionate America(?), will out the page on his web-site and radio show today. jebus is that sick
GW Clusterfuck’s recipe for dealing with a civil war “Just give em a democracy- everyone will vote- and the losers will go home and try to raise money to print more yard signs next time”.
He really is the world’s dumbest fuck.
JPL @ 80
Sure. He’s reassigned Foley to the Dems.
Anne #74
My impression of the FBI is that it remains a very bureaucratic top-down kind of organization. As a result, I think they would do almost anything to avoid a politically charged investigation without massive and incontrovertible evidence of a crime or political cover from the House leadership, which in the event was the very last thing that Hastert et al wanted to give.
Congressman questions what Hastert knew
WASHINGTON – A third figure in the page scandal threatening to the envelop House Speaker Dennis Hastert suggested Wednesday the speaker knew of an inappropriate e-mail that Rep. Mark Foley sent to a Louisiana boy before the matter became public
Rep. Rodney Alexander, R-La., the congressman who sponsored the page at the heart of the furor, said Hastert “knew about the e-mails that we knew about,” including one in which Foley asked the page to send his picture.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..NlYwM3MDM-
UNDER.THE.BUS LOL
It’s interesting to note that Republicans have spoken for years of a “homosexual agenda”, specifically to recruit America’s youth into a lifestyle of homosexuality. On the surface, of course it seemed to be nonsense, but in light of the Foley scandal and the long-standing GOP House leadership’s cover up and enabling of just such activity in their ranks, could it actually be that in their case at least they were telling the truth? (I ask this “tongue in cheek” of course-nod-nod-wink-wink).
Morning Firedogs,
some Bubba with a backhoe has sliced through local internet cables at home – so am checkin’ in via work – so glad to see y’all on it
Foley’s $100K – maybe nefarious, but as reported in prev threads, all house members are required by their Party to kick down a minimum of $100k, up to $600k for committee chairs – Dems too
whatever came of yesterday’s “developing” that National Journal was going to ‘out’ a few more congresscritters ? – nothing on their site this am
tfitznc @ 21
When she started her second comment on Friday about this matter with “As a mother and grandmother,” the Republicans in the House loudly booed her. It’s on the video at C&L.
No Sale, indeed! These nitwits are taxing our patience with their lame stories. Don’t they understand that “legal, tender” does not apply to pages?
JPL @ 79
According to Rude Pundit, Rove is simply spinning it as blame that lefty-liberal-commie- pinko-godless practice of coddling homosexuals. He’s trying to save the base for his GOTV on 11/7.
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
spin it Karl! Nobody does it like you sweetie. But this time it may be a bridge too far.
OT:
Public Rally with Ned and Gen. Wesley Clark
http://www.nedlamont.com/page/…..llies/wrvb
Lots of good comments here about the Foley matter and several good potential turns it might take to stay alive till election day. Once it leaves the headlines- it will cease to effect voter behavior. Hope it stays alive.
LindaR @ 65
I saw that, but they’ve now changed it to “R-Fl”.
It’s called a “forge.” See P J Evans above for more detail.
Of all the possible GOP responses to this, I admit I didn’t see this one coming: Mark Foley, D-Fl. Even the AP is buying it.
It’s quite the best line of defense. I’m really impressed, I must say.
“Sure, we in the Republican leadership may wish we had done more. But imagine–those Democrats were harboring a sexual predator in their midst this whole time and never said a word!”
If only they had thought of this on day one! Might have avoided this whole mess altogether.
(nb I’m not yet quite so tinfoily that I actually believe this is a concerted and deliberate effort. But (a) it takes a lot of mental effort to avoid tinfoiliness these days and (b) it’s amazing how all the little goofs seem to go one way…)
immanentize @ 39
This is great! And we’ll call it ‘Sex Ed.’
Sorry if this is a repost.
What planet are you on Katherine Harris
OT:
Here’s an excerpt from an email Clark sent out last week:
……..”In Connecticut, Ned Lamont is running the type of campaign all Democrats can be proud of. Standing up to President Bush’s failed policy in Iraq, dispensing with self-serving and wishy-washy notions of “independence,” and pledging to invest in America’s future, Ned Lamont is a candidate for Senate who I am proud to endorse.”
Of course Ned’s opponent, Joe Lieberman, after refusing to abide by the results of August’s Democratic primary election, has decided to do his best to drag every Connecticut Democrat’s electoral prospects down with him. He continues to provide political cover to President Bush and other local Republicans despite their clearly failed policies.
By supporting Ned Lamont, you are not only helping to elect a proud Democrat to the U.S. Senate from Connecticut, but you are also helping three Democratic challengers in tough House races who are running with Ned’s name at the top of the ticket.
Ned Lamont will be a Senator who will strengthen the Democratic Party and stand up for our interests in the U.S. Senate.”……..
The AP fixed it, though, which makes me think it may have just been some Young Republican all fired up on the Kool-Aid.
NYMary, Josh Marshall had up an AP wire that had a D-FL behind Foley’s name also. Rove just wants to confuse the issue.
JupiterPluvius @ 102
Or: So many people have internalized the meme Democrat=bad AND bad=Democrat that the person doing data entry on the story just assumed . . .
@98 IIRC Steel becomes “plastic” at about 800 degrees F and therefore has no structural integrity.
All of this reminds me of something I read a long time ago I don’t remember where. It went something like:
“You are blind guides who strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. Shame on you, Republicans, hypocrites. You are like whited sepulchres beautiful on the outside but full of dead men’s bones within. Snakes, generation of vipers, etc., etc.”
Seems somehow appropriate, don’t you think?
NYTimes.com
It appears Republicans stirred this up. Very interesting. No wonder Rove hasn’t been seen in public since this broke. He must be wearing a helmet just to keep his head from exploding!
BobbyG @ 97
next: RoFL
Richmond @ 45
I’ve been meaning to ask someone — is the news not regulated at all? I mean can people go on and say whatever they want and call it news? Shouldn’t news have to be truthful? Did I take one too many of my naive pills this morning?
Is there any new info on who brought the IMs to ABC?
The Wall Street Journal has an article interviewing Brian Ross about how they came upon the story and how it developed for them.
The article quotes Ross saying that at least a couple of the pages are now (or hope to be) in political positions and fear being named because it would hurt their current employers or future prospects. If they get outed, I’d guess that the “general outrage” might get a little louder and a little more focused. Putting a face on this mess by outing the pages would be among the stupider things the GOPers could do.
Let me be clear: I don’t want them outed. But if that happens, I’d love to see one of them show up at a Hastert or Reynolds or Shimkus campaign event and ask some pointed questions.
lina @ 67
Where oh where is Larry Flynt when you need him?
although i think that foley’s trip to rehab is just a big cover so he can dogdge the press for the time being, it does have the potential to majorly backfire. his thirty days would be up about a week before the elections, which would revive the story at the worst possible time for the gop. i’m forseeing some sort of “setback” in his treatment that requires him to stay for an addtional period of time.
Any sightings of the first lump in NY campaigning with Reynolds?
Does anyone else think Fordham went down to Florida to do damage control for someone other than Foley? Himself maybe. Fordham worked with Foley for years, so he may have been worried his own name would be in the emails and IM’s.
Just thinking out loud here.
Hugh @ 106
Absolutely, Hugh.
Mike @ 50
At first I thought they’d never want him returning, but in keeping with the diabolical new strategy, maybe they wish he could come back and switch party allegiance…
But the point is moot. The Republicans have to file paperwork in Florida (presumably with the Sec. of State) to get the votes to count for the replacement (who has already been chosen). This paperwork will foreclose any possibility of Foley returning as the Rep.
Steve at 85 — word is that he already has — and that the FBI is investigating this. Blaming the victims is a all-time low, I have to say — having dealt with these sorts of cases throughout my legal career, I know how difficult it is to get kids to come forward on this sort of issue. The GOP needs to squelch this kind of crap, and do it fast — the Times-Picayune is reporting that the kid has received some serious threats as a result of this. That’s not only wrong, it is criminal, and I hope these nutballs are prosecuted for it.
Impeachment Happens @ 109
I remember reading a couple of weeks ago that the news media is under no legal obligation to broadcast the truth.
e.c. @ 113
From what I hear, people in rehab generally are not allowed access to computers, yet Maf54 has been on a few times in the last couple of days.
Cue the “someone was using my screen name” defense in 5, 4, 3, 2….
Interesting that a republican woman should say something like that! (aren’t they all brainwashed to pop out the kids and take care of them – except the ones that don’t)
The morning after the primary, Lieberman was up by 10. He’s since always been up by 10 as far as I’ve noticed. It’s because after the primary, suddenly republicans counted in the totals.
They did the same when Armitage confessed. My brother the Limbaugh listener was convinced that Armitage was a Democrat!
Tammy Duckworth (D candidate – IL 6) isn’t buying it either. She’s slamming her opponent with it for his “I believe Hastert didn’t know” and “I withhold judgment until the FBI investigates” lines. She also slams Shimkus and calls for him to step down from the page board.
From the Chicago Tribune’s “The Swamp“:
That’s how it’s done, people. Hit them hard, hit them fast, and tie this in with every other outrage the irresponsible Republicans have been trying to sell the American people.
Having her legs cut off obviously hasn’t kept Tammy from kicking some serious tail!
has this been posted already ?
via Americablog
conservative icon Viquerie – ‘Hastert’s gotta go’
http://americablog.blogspot.co…..uerie.html
apologies if prev. linked – huge deal
e.c. @ 115
he’ll fly immediately from alcohol rehab to sex rehab.
Richmond @
36
Oh, dear gods, Richmond I hope the rumors about Bolton are not true. The world is already bad enough.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 118
Nevertheless, it’s a standard wingnut tactic, and I say this as someone who was “outed” by a right-wing blogger over a literary argument he was having with my spouse.
Impeachment Happens @ 111
One would assume that the FCC has jurisdiction in cases like this. I would think, also, that Media Matters has already filed a complaint.
But because Janet Jackson’s nipple isn’t involved, I doubt the FCC will move very quickly on this matter.
SB_Gypsy @ 121
I thought laundry and kids were liberating?!? (fiercely pages through Kaitlyn Flanagan and Kate O’Beirne for evidence)
leftinoregon @ 112
Pages. Once Brian Ross did the story on Thursday, other pages contacted him with the IM’s.
LindyH @ 121
Really? Kinda takes your breath away, doesn’t it? Maybe we should come up with a more accurate term for the type of show it is then.
Professor Foland @
99
it’s wearing me out….
Listen, the narrative is that the Democrats don’t have a plan for governing dammnit!
The narrative should not be that the Republican party is in a historic melt-down mode.
Just because the Vice Presidents chief of staff, (R) Scooter Libby, has been indicted on perjury charges…
The former House Majority Leader, (R)Tom Delay has been indicted on corruption charges..
Influential Congressman, the “Mayor of Capital Hill” (R) Bob Ney, has pleaded guilty to corruption charges…
Influential, long time Congressman (R) Duke Cunningham has pleaded guilty and was sentenced, making him the “most corrupt congressman ever”…
The most prolific Republican fundraiser ever, Jack Abramoff (R-Foxwoods) has been found to be heading a corruption Ponzi scheme involving dozens of Republicans….
4 Republican operatives in New Hampshire were convicted for jamming phones and subverting democracy…
The Bush policy adviser, (R) Claude Allen was convicted of petty theft while collecting a $160,000 a year salary from the US taxpayers and blamed the moral shortcomings on Hurricane Katrina…
The former Whitehouse procurements officer, (R) David Safavian has been convicted of graft….
President Bush’s most prolific donor, Ken Lay(R-Hades) was found guilty of corruption…
The entire Republican leadership colluded to keep a known sexual predator, (RRRRRRRRRRR) Mark Foley in the party in order to win one more seat for their majority in the House…
The Bush administration hired journalists on numerous occasions to push their agenda..in violation of numerous laws….
I mean that’s not a narrative at all..
-GSD
CHS@120.Thanks..RAW now has headline “Blogger says page is 21″. So what, isn’t the blogger attempting to intimidate this and other un-named witnesses in an FBI investigation?
mc @ 129
Is Colin Powell’s useless scion still heading the FCC? And can’t we nail them on some sort of Inciting charge? As you can tell, I’m not a lawyer – I just watch Law & Order.
Shimkus’ opponent, Dan Stover, is trying to make headway with this as well, but not getting as much help as Tammy D. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch describes the eagle-eyed work of the DCCC:
BoltEn, not BoltOn.
beard5 @ 127
Impeachment Happens @ 132
remember the fox news / rBGH lawsuit? – in florida (of all places):
Courts Rule in Akre/Wilson rBGH Case That the Media Can Deliberately Lie
Impeachment happens: Maybe we should come up with a more accurate term for the type of show it is then.
Infotainment
:-)
Steve @ 135: Sounds like one of the earlier victims to me (assuming that, as the stories have been saying, this goes back as far as 1995).
GSD @ 134
Just a small quibble.
That is the Republicans’ plan for governing: lie, cheat, steal, cover-up.
I, for one, have Had Enough.
P J Evans @ 140
Yes, that’s probably the case. The RawStory headline I saw was that the kid is 18 now, but remember that you have to subtract the year the leadership sat on this, making him 17, and probably 16 when they met.
Hmmmm . . . Is the Majority Whip Roy Blunt not buying Hastert’s line, or is he just trying to save his tail? From the AP, in the St. Louis P-D:
Roy, you wouldn’t be saying this because you’d like to be Speaker if Hastert resigns and Boehner is too tainted to move up, would you?
LatestFaBlog: Fait Divers — The Pause That Refurbishes
Gypsies, tramps, and thieves
We’d hear it from the people of the town
We call GOP gypsies, tramps, and thieves
And every night all the men would go around
And lay their money down
Dr. Bong @ 140
Yes but there’s no ‘info.’ Fox is so over the top, it’s like Pro Wrestling.
Peterr,
Roy Blunt is not going to be Speaker – these folks will see to that
http://www.firedupmissouri.com/
selise @ 139
Okay, I’ll put this on my To Do list. Right after I fix the voting machines. Sheesh, good thing I’m unemployed.
Has anyone called the police?
OT– but a really cute ad by Ned wherein kids are kids.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/4/21438/1352
cbl @ 148
Absolutely. They’ll have help from the folks investigating Abramoff, I’m sure.
@143 To me the age is not important, it is the obvious attempt to scare potential witnesses. With all of the wingnut wackos around, what kid or parent would want to be receiving death threats? The “outer” needs to be hit hard by the FBI,now.
They think we’re stupid. They have such amazing amounts of contempt for Americans,that should piss people off WAY more than it does. I’ve done a slow burn just about that for well over a decade,everything else aside for half a second. Who the hell do they think they are? Just because their mommies told’em they were special doesn’t mean they really are. Just because they think they’re above us and better than us doesn’t mean they are,it makes me nuts people buy into that nonsense.
They let a known child predator help craft legislation to stop child predators. Enabled him in that endeavor. How seriously sick and twisted do you have to be,how much seething contempt must you have for the American people to purposely and willfully do that?
In another day and time in our Nation’s history,people like these might have met up with angry mobs,torches,pitchforks,etc.
Too many people in this culture have been victim to abuse to buy the shit they’re trying to shovel.
Republicans: They Think You’re Stupid
My rant to my local papers minutes ago:
______
This morning we see that Fox News has mischaracterized disgraced Republican ex-congressman Mark Foley’s political affiliation as “D-FL”.
So, let’s recap, shall we? Mark Foley (D-FL), according to his lawyer, “takes full responsibility” for his (D-FL) immoral acts. Oh, and BTW, he (D-FL) was abused by a priest as an adolescent (cue weepy music) and is gay (D-FL) and an alcoholic (D-FL). But, none of those (D-FL) characteristics have any bearing on his current (D-FL) “off-safely-to-rehab-sanctuary” problem, wink, wink.
Do the GOPervs think we’re ALL in a coma?
_
Impeachment Happens @
149
just a heads-up: beware the looming ziggurat of nested quotes. makes the toobz go crazy after five or six, IIRC.
punaise @ 156
Or fewer, if there’s a link or two inside with a long URL.
Foley was a Boy Scout and Leader at one time…wonder why that info was scrubbed from this page (no pun intended)…scroll down to Florida
http://www.scouting.org/factsheets/02-571.html
Larry
the mighty schecter on msnbc again…
Read that too, Larry. blech.
“They let a known child predator help craft legislation to stop child predators. Enabled him in that endeavor. How seriously sick and twisted do you have to be,how much seething contempt must you have for the American people to purposely and willfully do that?”
Handy cover, was it not?
“In another day and time in our Nation’s history,people like these might have met up with angry mobs,torches,pitchforks,etc.”
clamorem et euthesium
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cbl @ 149
Since so many Speakers have come to a bitter end on the job, why would anyone want to be Speaker?
- Jim Wright (D)
- Newt Gingrich (R)
- Tom Delay (R)
- Dennis Hastert (R)
I am sure a scan of the history books will turn up others — these are just from the recent past.
Answer: The greed for power is insatiable.
punaise @ 156
If you think I understand ANYTHING you just said, you give me waaaaaay too much credit.
IH –
Shorter punaise: Too much of the “I said that ‘he said that “she said that ‘they said that “you know that ‘Christy said . . .’ ” ‘ ” ‘ ” will bust up the margins on the site.
After a few embedded quotations, simply cut the part you’re commenting about and start it fresh.
Oh well the Justice dept has “protected” Foley’s computer now.
A little late…
Impeach happens, punaise is talking about the QUOTE THIS COMMENT button. The more it gets used, the more stress it puts on the servers.
Comment 149 at 10:08 is what some FDLers refer to as a “ziggurat.”
In programming language, nested instructions sometimes look like those “nested quotes.”
No biggee.
HTH.
Impeachment Happens @ 162
LOL. I see Peterr decoded it for you. (the ziggurat is the aerial view of all the rectangles, brought on by successive “quote this comment” instances.)
friends don’t let friends build ziggurats.
Former page on msnbc (1996-1997) outing Foley
Used to call him FFF– Foley the Fa* from Florida.
Tyson Vivyan is the name– he met with the FBI yesterday morning. Got IMs from Foley after his own divorce…
friends don’t let friends build ziggurats.
LMAO.
punaise @ 166
If you wanted me to shut up, you could have just said so. ;)
Iran Will Open Nuclear Facilities to ‘Foreign Tourists,’ State-Run Media Reports
http://tinyurl.com/jjete
So will Bush bomb citizens of other countries? Seems to me this is an opportunity for the world’s peace activists to go to Iran and stay a while.
As someone said to the smoker who was standing in front of the ziggurat, “Please put out that ziggurat.”
As predicted the “values” people have gotten over the shock and are now back on message.”The problem is homosexuals, abortion, contraception, PC, etc.” (I’m waiting for HPV vaccine to make the list) Now that we know it’s not the fault of God’s Party, the zombies can be at peace again.
jinny @ 171
Nah, they’re just doing what Reynolds did at his press conference: using human shields.
If you wanted me to shut up, you could have just said so. ;)
No one was saying that. It’s about the “Quote this Comment” button, that’s all.
orangejumpsuit @ 172
are you prepared tobacco that claim?
John Casper @ 175
I was teasing. That’s what we unemployed do. We kid.
punaise @ 176
Ah, there, punaise. You really smoked that one past me. (As in strike right down the middle.)
punaise @ 177
You two, now stop, just stop!
;-)
Message received Impeachment Happens.
Good luck with the job search.
mc @ 179
don’t worry – we’ll patch things up, just in in the nicotine.
FWIW, anyone who would like to file a complaint with the FCC re: Faux’s misrepresenting Foley as a Democrat, three separate times, here’s the link to the FCC Complaint Form: Filing a Complaint With the FCC is Easy
punaise @ 182
ROTFLMAO
QUARRYVILLE, Pa. (Fox News) – When the deputy coroner (R-Pa) reached the Amish schoolhouse, she found blood on every desk, every window broken and the body of a young girl slumped beneath the chalkboard. Ten children had been shot, five fatally, and the gunman (D-Pa) was dead.
“It was horrible. I don’t know how else to explain it,” Amanda Shelley (R-Pa), deputy Lancaster County coroner, said Wednesday. “I hope to never see anything like that again in my life.”…
Authorities say Charles Carl Roberts IV (D-Pa) had started buying supplies for a long siege six days before he stormed the tiny schoolhouse. He made a checklist of what to bring and wrote out four suicide notes, one talking about how he (D-Pa) was “filled with so much hate” and “unimaginable emptiness.”…
Roberts (D-Pa) had brought lubricating jelly to the schoolhouse and may have planned to sexually assault the Amish girls, State Police Commissioner Jeffrey B. Miller (R-Pa) said. He said a piece of lumber found in the school had 10 large eyebolts spaced about 10 inches apart, suggesting that Roberts (D-Pa) may have planned to truss up the girls…
Dr. Bong @ 140
More like Info-”tainted”
Impeachment Happens @ 177
Word. I will do just about anything to avoid a job interview. They often lead to jobs.
I did some checking this morning based on a nagging question, “how often is pedophelia happening with Republicans?” I googled for about 15 minutes, and in the process became genuinely frightened and puzzled. From the sheer numbers of cases I found. This is way, way bigger than I thought, and I have no explanation for it. It’s blowing my mind. Understanding where this is coming from would require a Special Victims Unit psychologist with a doctorate in cultural anthropology who used to run Republican campaigns.
I am truly at a loss as to what’s going on here. Rational expectations say you’d find a roughly equal number of cases against Democrats, probably more (because Pugs are in power). But it’s like night and day. For a quick view, check out http://www.armchairsubversive.com, or read the obstructed Orange County molestation case against a christian activist lawyer who is a long-time friend of Dana Rohrabacher. (Check out Digbysblog.blogspot.com, I also put it up at mine.)
Maybe I’m dense, but I’d like to hear theories about why the Republican Party apparently has a much bigger problem with pedophelia than the Democratic Party does.
BobbyG,
I must admit you made me look at the F Word web site ; ) LOL
NY Times Journalist R.W. Apple Dies at 71
By Adam Bernstein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 4, 2006; 1:20 PM
new thread.
Breaking CNN….
Fordham (sp) fired
Fordham resigns!
Anybody else having problems with the site?
Have to scroll down a long ways to get to the post; it’s like the table formatting is broken.
??
CNN is reporting that Fordham has resigned. No link – just saw this on the tube.
Buh-bye, Kirk…
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thebl…..affer.html
Time to lawyer up.
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Rayne @ 193
main page is not loading on this end
Rayne @
193
Me too, Rayne.
punaise…it is SO good to have you back!
Frank Probst @ 51
Besides, as I recall from 2004, Rasmussen is fond of sampling out of proportion to party representation (i.e., their samples often include a larger percentage of Republicans than the population it is supposed to represent). Don’t trust this poll. There’s a very good chance it’s rigged.