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Joe Lieberman's Imus performance was just a dilly:
Obviously Foley had to go and he did go. Now to make it into a political question is wrong. Denny Hastert doesn't come to me for advice but if I were him I would tell them get somebody who people in both parties respect in there quickly, immediately.
Right. George Bush doesn't want the chaos in his party that ejecting Hastert would bring, so Joe dutifully goes forth and not only voices his confidence that Hastert should be tasked with chosing someone to investigate himself, he then castigates Democrats for making into "a political question." This on the heels of his open threats to Democrats to caucus with the Republicans if he did not retain his committee seniority.
Hey Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer — how long does this have to go on before it becomes officially outrageous? In all seriousness, I think somebody needs to teach you how to fight like a girl.
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foley! the gift that keeps on giving!
Fitz
keith!
fitz!
second!
errrr,
third!
I hope Hastert stays, and I hope Lieberman keeps on telling him to. At least thru mid-November.
Great commentary, Jane, as ever, as always. What a schmucktard he is.
Seriously, though: What are Lamont’s chances right now?
I was a tad sad to see the post-primary plateau, and a bit dismayed by a recent poll.
Thoughts, anyone?
THE REAL PROBLEM IS THAT JOE SPENT THE TIME DREAMING UP A SAVIOR ROLE FOR A GUY LIKE HIMSELF TO HELP OUT A GUY LIKE HASTERT. Instead of the direct action, which is to kick everyone out who knew Foley was harming kids.
Wow, Joe seems to have a Madonna-like gift for reinvention.
Except in his case, he keeps re-inventing himself as an even bigger knob.
You’d think he’d hit some kind of upper limit.
Gee, what a friend the democrats had in Joe. Toolbox.
Right On Jane. Where is the Dem’s moral indignation?! As in so many of these situations, the Dems will be damned no matter what they do (in this case even if they didn’t politicize this). So, you might as well get the licks in, so at least if you are going to take the heat, it is for something you actually did.
Joe needs those republican votes. It is less confusing to just think of him as a republican. Then everything he says and does makes sense. Reid and Schumer must really be slow if they don’t get it by now.
Oh, and Joe is not repeat not auditioning for a position in the Republican leadership when he decides who to caucus with next January . . .
wanker
(along with John Doolittle)
Jane Hamsher to Chuck Schumer: “In all seriousnes, I think somebody needs to teach you how to fight like a girl.”
Best line this year.
Denny Hastert doesn’t come to me for advice but if I were him I would tell them get somebody who people in both parties respect in there quickly, immediately.
And who would that be, hmmm?
Only crazy guys ever got into a fights with a girl. And they probably still sing soprano.
EPU’d..Stay on course Joe..22 US service-member killed during the past four days..four more today..for nothing you asshole.
I would venture to say that covering up for a pedophile is more partisan than decrying said coverup.
Just a thought.
seriousness
before this great quote gets linked all over the ‘net.
Jane,
Go over to Reids office and teach these wimps to fight like you-a woman. You’ve torn off heads-they haven’t.
Queensbury officianados.
Reid and Schumer are calculating-revamping-triangulating-digesting………………………..
They have been programmed this way. By the nefarious at the DLC post-Clinton corporate apocalypse.
GO GET EM’ JANE!!!
Jane, you got your wish: Nancy Grace has got her teeth into the Foley issue, and she’s a great little pit bull.
She’s interviewing one of the latest former pages to come forward — he’s from the 1996 pledge class, and extremely credible.
And I can’t see Nancy letting go of Foley, and the Republican leadership’s, throats anytime soon.
Grrr!
Joe is going to hate it when we take over the house and the senate. He coulda been a contender.
Is Larry King doing anything on the Predator Coverup this evening?
I dislike Joe Lieberman intensely. But I want this guy to keep on behaving the way he has been. One blessed day, I will no longer have to see his photo, read his anti-Democratic diatribes, or hear his awful sanctimonious voice.
I credit TRex for the bent over pages joke…I saw it first late last week here and penned by our late nite friend.
Michael Musto just used it on KO.
Foley flap reverberates across Illinois with voters, politicos
IM SUHR
Associated Press
Bold is mine.
That statement by Joe really says it all, over again.
Kick that republican cheerleader the rest of the way out of our party.
How do I spotlight both Clintons? Anyone have an addy?
the funny thing about this whole situation is that the solution is a really easy one: tell the truth. it’s bizarre that the republicans have gotten so entrenched in this culture of hubris and demagoguery that they can’t realize that once you’re caught, you should immediately come clean. any other response only makes things much worse, as we’re seeing here.
however, in this case, i wholly encourage the republicans to keep making things worse! who could’ve imagined they would implode like this?
it’s even more bizarre that holy joe is attempting to moralize, yet again. it’s good for lamont though — if i were lieberman, i wouldn’t be borrowing any pages from the republican script right now (pardon the pun)…
Fun Fact for the day:
A “Foley” is a tube that is inserted into the penis, allowing hospital patients to urinate into a bag while they are otherwise unable to, um, move.
In a similar way, former rep. “Foley” will allow us to remove Goper waste from the House, effeciently preventing an Incontenental Congress and making the Gopers Lament.
BTW
I’m Baaack!
Jane,
I am confident that you would take both of them out in less than a round.
Before they learn to fight, don’t they need to know how to stand up straight? Have some sort of moral conviction?
I wish we had primaries every few months… we need to re-build the Democratic party and fast.
Joe can’t even draw a decent triangle.
And Joe Scarborough — I never, never, never watch cable shout shows — but these last two days they’ve been more enlightening than church.
And Scarborough yesterday did a good 50 minutes of ripping into Republicans, before going back to the typical “this is somehow the Democrats fault” spin.
And tonight he’s leading with the story about Foley arriving drunk at the page dorm, even though it’s still pretty much a rumor.
Conservatives leading with disgusting rumors about Republicans! Lawdy, get me my fainting couch!
“. . .I think somebody needs to teach you how to fight like a girl.”
Brutal. Just brutal. Don’t we already have enough to fear?
OT — Moyers on PBS now, talking about Abramoff…
Scarborough has uncomfirmed reports from Mike Viqueria, that the Capitol Police stopped Foley from entering the page residence.
I guess Viqueria has come off his “partisan” position.
“In all seriousness, I think somebody needs to teach you how to fight like a girl.”
A hit! A palpable hit!
I really wonder why anyone pays any attention to Joe Lieberman. Even still photos of his shapeless face are irritating.
Lawrence O’Donnell agrees with Scarborough, Hastert is toast as Speaker.
In a pinch, Reynolds wrap makes one hell of a scum bag.
Glorfindel @ 32
thank you. Moyers is a patriot and I have tuned in now.
Carville:
The Situation Room on CNN
Bay Buchanan estimed that Hastert has to go by tonight. Carville gives him to the end of the week.
Meanwhile, Glenn Greenwald thinks that Fordham could be this scandal’s John Dean.
How many days does Denny Hastert have left?
keep your eyes peeled on raw story, another page is comming out, story developing
Scarborough just predicted that Nancy Pelosi will be the next SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.
Holy Joe can’t even examine Hastert’s malfeasance with the calm, dispassionate (OK, power-grubbing and ladder-climbing) wisdom of the Number 3 Republican in the House:
AP article
scarecrow @
13
Agreed — totally!
Sen. Joe Lieberman: “It was just, something was wrong there, so Shimkus does a pretty what looks like from the paper, but honestly we don’t know for sure, a pretty lame conversation with Foley and doesn’t tell the democratic members of that committee. Now that’s a sign of just how perversely divided on a partisan basis the house is. What happened was not political it was immoral and it was an embarrassment for the institution, and they should have gone at it that way.
Okay, wait– let’s dissect this further bit from Lieberman- Shimkus doesn’t tell the Democratic members of the committee bec. WTF, the House is *perversely* divided on a partisan basis? Like, if it were not for the fact that the House is “*perversely* divided on a partisan basis” the Republicans would have told the Dems about the Foley problem????? Blame the Dems for the partisan divide, lil Joe? What a bunch of shit!
I want to be the first to bring it up, mark this day;
what seat does jane want to run for, because whatever it is, wherever it is, she wins
Moyers covering the entire debacle…
abramoff, gingrich, norquist and k street so far.
When Hastert “resigns” it will presumably be from only the Speakership. The people who thought he was leaving office, will asked, “why is he still in office?”
On Scarborough, panelists discussing what will happen when the religious base discovers that many Repub staff are “closet gays.”
Joe says, “The Republican Party is doomed.” Then he says he “longs for the days of Halderman and Erlichman.”
I can’t comment any more. The only thing to do is go out for more popcorn.
[This is the first time in my life I have not watched the Dodgers in a post-season game (just as well).]
I think one reason why Joe only moralizes against Democrats is that it makes him a hit on the cocktail weenie and Sunday show circuit. Moralizing against both sides wouldn’t get him that, he’d just get labeled as a tiresome prig. But beyond that, this is also an incredible demonstration of Joe’s ongoing political tone-deafness. He’s incapable of seeing that the Republicans he’s sucking up to aren’t going to be in charge by January, even if they were somehow to retain a majority.
He’s not just a self-serving backstabber, he’s an incompetent self-serving backstabber.
SteveNS @
8
That is just a great comment.
Valley at 43
It is clear that Joe’s only line ever will be that he is the saviour — he alone will be able to get the Lion to Lie down with the lamb. therefore, the more he complains about Democrats being too partisan, the more he is (not so) subtley attacking Lamont and all the Lamont supporters including most of the State’s labor movement. His messianic rap is as scary at Bush’s
Subway Serenade!!!!
Welcome Back!!!!
Prof @ 41
I watched a portion of his interview on Springfield, MO news this evening. As soft an interview as one politician could ask for on Christmas Eve.
Lawrence O’Donnell on Scarborough’s show: “Next news cycle is about Staff credibility.” Reynolds’ Chief of Staff, Fordham vs Hastert’s Chief of Staff, Scott Palmer.
Sounds as though Scarborough’s next segment will will be the GOP bashing gay Republicans.
OT..66 percent of the voters in Tom Reynolds’ district, disapprove of his behavior in foleygate. SurveyUSA
SteveNS @ 8
there is no crass ceiling for Joe
ahhh, the irony is that this is such a bad move, politically.
republicans could’ve dealt with this last year and it would be old news by now, and not threatening their mid-term prospects.
they could’ve even done it during katrina, which would’ve pushed the story off the front page…
and by now they could’ve had someone else on the ballot in foley’s otherwise safe republican district and never lost the seat…which was what they were worried about in the first place.
there was negligence, of course; but the political blunders here are astounding.
go on, lieberman, tie yourself to the mast of this sinking republican ship!
punaise @ 54
This whole mess is a vivid demonstration of the Pedo Principle at work.
The party Joe wants to reach out to is radioactive. Play with fire, etc.
judybrowni @
20
and more tomorrow, from her page on CNN:
“Was there a Foley cover-up? Nancy investigates the legal and political implications. Tune in tonight {Thursday}…”
Nancy’s going to bring it to the Wal*Mart set in all her sneering, eye-rolling, morally-indignant glory.
And I was thinking DENNIS was the menace… what do I know
immanentize @ 50
Hey imm- you are so correct! I never drew this parallel between Joey and Bush, but geez, again, you are so correct. No wonder they are birds of a feather. Totally unhinged.
Sigh
The Senator from Israel will probably be re-elected if the polls are right.
Hey and what did Joe know and when did he know it? . After all, he’s the ultimate Washington Insider (just ask him.)
And we’ll probably re-elect that embarrassing idiot from Fairfield County. Allegedly he has been to Iraq something like seven or eight times and still doesn’t get it.
Realistically, Republican scumbags are probably not a whole lot different than Democratic scumbags. They’re just a lot more sanctimonious.
I don’t know why I find the whole Mark Foley thing so damned amusing. Maybe it’s because it’s funny to watch the whole family values crowd getting buggered by one of their own.
While I think it’s funny, I also think it’s dangerous because it’s taking everyone’s eye off the ball. And the ball is buried in the road in Iraq.
Within the last few weeks we lost two Milford kids. One 19 & one 21. I seem to recall that neither one’s last name was Lieberman.
Sorry to ramble.
joel
The Republicans are in the toilet. It’s spring for the Democrats. After the coming elections, the Democrats need to unite in a plan for bringing our troops home and getting the Middle East process going again. AND we need to develop a plan for the creation of jobs, providing health care, a map for protection of the environment, tax-cut (for the wealthy) roll-backs, and education. And we need to address a host of other domestic issues which affect the middle class, working poor and the destitute.
angie @ 45
Set the TIVO to record the 2 am showing. Can’t tear myself away from the “political porn” and the Foley mess. Abramoff can wait until the morning.
Isn’t this just amazing/sick/wierd that a sane liberal (at least I thought I was one) would write something like that?
Sad to see this on Pollster.com, reporting:
Election Scorecard
Ned needs to pin Hastert all over Joe’s back.
RevDeb @ 63
It is an embarrassment of riches… finally.
Larry King is on Hastertgate.
Prof @ 6:07 Meanwhile, Glenn Greenwald thinks that Fordham could be this scandal’s John Dean.
I’m with Glen on this. I think Fordham has been watching them throw each other under the bus and knows he’s next, so might as well come out shooting and take as many down with him as he can.
OK Jane, so the difference between girls’ fight style and boys: girls may gouge the face with sharp nails (visual evidence of a successful strike); boys stomach punch (invisible, but potentially more long term damage). Girls yell out a list of wrongs (gets point across and clears the air); boys go silent and feign hurt (prolonging the altercation, but also controls it). Pretty even – except of course, if the guy goes postal.
So, which fight style would I like the Dems to take up? ….any way would be good for a start.
Prof @ 64
Um… Ew?
Following is a transcribed excerpt from Fox News Sunday, May 25, 2003 between Snow of Fox and Lieberman of “party not won”.
SNOW: Do you believe Iran is ripe for a regime change?
LIEBERMAN: Well, yes. I mean, I think it would be in the interest of the world, and most particularly of the Iranian people, to have a regime change in Iran.
I’m not suggesting military action by us, but Tom Friedman of The New York Times, I believe, said recently — or a while ago that there’s no nation in the world where the government is more anti- American and the people are more pro-American than Iran, and that’s the equation we have to flip.
SNOW: There is some controversy about whether Tom DeLay got improperly involved in Texas redistricting. What is your concern?
LIEBERMAN: Well, you had a local political dispute about redistricting. The Democrats went to Oklahoma to avoid being forced to vote for a plan they didn’t want to vote for, and now we have evidence that the local — the state police involved the Homeland Security Department at a time when those resources really should have been devoted to homeland security. You’ve got Tom DeLay now admitting that he called the FAA and the Department of Justice.
This smells, and I’m going to ask Andy Card of the White House to get into this this week, to examine any contacts that any federal officials had with federal departments…
SNOW: Senator Joe Lieberman, I know that you have a health-care plan. I hope you’ll come back and talk to us about it at length.
LIEBERMAN: I do. It’s an attempt to try to cure some diseases that afflict 100 million Americans every year.
SNOW: Senator, thanks for joining us today.
LIEBERMAN: Thank you, Tony.
This guy embodied the soul of the Democratic Party so much he ran for vice president.
Anyone wants to buy a bridge?
Go Lamont!
Sorry, something is weird… I got double posts and ended up erasing both. Anyway, Subway welcome back and I am very happy for your good outcome.
You have a nice son, too. :)
We still have some serious problems regarding this coming election. A full 40% of the electorate will be voting on paperless machines. Many of these machines are in swing districts.
On the plus side the Gopers have handed the nation a juicy sex and lies scandal that will only hemorrage in the coming weeks and Robin Williams is on deck with a screwball comedy on honesty in politics on the 13th.
November will be an adventure this nation should long remember.
Why is it that every time I read Joe’s name, I feel like I have to take a shower? He encapsulates everything that’s completely opportunistic about politicians whatever party
they belong to. How can people in CT possibly believe he will put their interests above his own?
With even Republicans abandoning Hastert, Lieberman seems to be out Republicaning the Republicans. With Lamont at least you have a solid Democrat. If Lieberman wins, he will go with whichever party offers him the best deal and, of course, sucks up to him sufficiently.
Wasn’t the political golden rule never to get caught with a dead woman or a live boy? I seem to remember hearing or reading that somewhere.
You don’t want to break the golden rule. This is exhibit one for why.
1,293 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher:
Isn’t it time to pressure the Democratic Party leadership to confront Mrs. Clinton and the DLC power structure and purge Lieberman from the party… it’s simple, if Lieberman beats Lamont the Democratic Party can’t take control of the Senate and Lamont can’t beat Lieberman while he is able to run as an erstatz Democrat.
Let’s paint Clinton with Lieberman, let’s tatoo ol’ Joe right to her political future…we get a threefer then, we contain Clinton, get rid of Lieberman and take control of the Senate.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, NOT ALL THE FASCISTS ARE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!!!
I see Subway Serenade now. Hey there and welcome back mr music man! Hope you are doing alright and thanks for sending messages from your family.
Hope you felt the candle page.
Gods. I mean really, what the fuck. Fuck you Liebushman you fucking fuck, is there NO LIMIT to your repuke enabling fuckheadedness? Clearly not.
I can’t stand it, this asshole makes me FUCKING PHYSICALLY SICK anymore.
Thank GOD for Ned Lamont and GODSPEED Ned Lamont. We the people are taking this country BACK from these ridiculous shills and whores.
sorry for YELLING
All the “Joe’s going to win” stuff is a little premature, isn’t it? The election isn’t tomorrow, kids, and Joe isn’t doing himself any favors.
Late Liebermanism: Quoth the craven, “Dem? No more….”
Prairie Sunshine @ 81
that has Poe-tential
doh. That candle page comment was not, you know, about Foley.
Another legacy the Republicans, and a few like Lieberman, have left the children:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq…..50,00.html
SteveNS @ 8
Knob. Heh. That’s funny.
And screw the polls. Shortride will not win. Take it to the bank. He’s a puke. New breeze a-blowin.
JupiterPluvius @ 80
Voluntarily tying himself to the Republican sexcrime coveruppers was perhaps not the savviest possible move for someone who pretends to be holier than all.
Actually, taking a stand in favor of covering up pedophilia is a pretty stupid move, regardless of one’s public piousness.
no tell-tale heart there but Joe is surely mad.
http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/poe/works/tt_heart.html
Jane – you are exactly right:
“Hey Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer — how long does this have to go on before it becomes officially outrageous? In all seriousness, I think somebody needs to teach you how to fight like a girl.”
As someone who has been on the ground in CT since the primary win in August – it has been extremely frustrating. The Dem party in CT is so freaked out by Joey’s threat of revenge – and so ambivalent about Ned the outsider, that it’s been like pulling teeth to get any support. Dodd has been incredibly disappointing – I sent him an email yesterday.
Then there’s the national Dem party. They have paid lip service to Ned – and little else. When Clinton made his infamous comment about Lamont & Lieberman both being Dems, he gave aid and comfort to all those who refuse to support Lamont and justify it by saying they’re still supporting a Dem.
And last but not least – Lieberman is getting money hand over fist from Republicans and lobbyists. In contrast, I think Lamont has gotten precious little from the DSCC and as we all know, he does not take PAC money.
The good news is – Kennedy was just in town. Wes Clark is coming on Friday. Kerry is coming. Perhaps Warner, etc. And hopefully Lamont will have more ads to combat the garbage Lieberman spews daily.
I also think the debates will be interesting.
Lieberman is coasting on the myth that he is an honest, moral, non-partisan man who has done so much for CT. It’s not true – but there it is.
Grass roots are what is going to make the difference. We all need to have a laser focus for the next five weeks.
And it would help if Reid et al gave a damn. No wonder the Dems are in the situation they are in. I’m seriously considering becoming unaffiliated – I’m so disgusted.
angie @ 88
Joe has the opposite problem from the Telltale Heart guy.
Okay let me ask a really dumb question?
We make a big deal over forcing Hastert to resign as Speaker. And let’s assume he does.
Now the Republicans all get together and elect a new Speaker (meet the new boss, same as the old boss).
The new boss promises a complete in-depth investigation to clean everything up (anyone remember how Jodi Rell got so popular?) commencing November 8th.
And Pagegate is pushed back to page 10 two weeks before the election.
What have we gained?
The sex scandal becomes about 10th page news and
Percentage of voters in Rep. Tom Reynolds’ (R-NY) district who disapprove of his behavior in Foleygate? According to SurveyUSA, 66%.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
LOL
Poor dumb Joe
If ever there was an election where partisanship WAS important its this one.
This election is about regime change. Everything associated with this election inevitably will be colored with partisanship.
LIEberman seems to be living in his bipartisan bubble mouthing platitudes. OK by me.
The game is for keeps. No prisoners.
angie @ 88
The Task of Lamont, he ought to
RevDeb @
77
be specific! are you talking about Scarborough or Foley here?
I’m wary of this closeted GOP list supposedly going around. What is the source of this information? Sounds like the kind of thing to have Rove prints all over it. The subject is child predation, not homosexuality. I could easily see non-gay goopers being named giving Republicans something to fight for in defense of themselves against ‘witchhunters’. Same formula as Rathergate, and quite possibly the Leopold fiasco last spring.
Rove must be in overdrive thinking how to take command of timely disinformation for a good whiplash.
.
Seems to me that what was “partisan” about this debacle was the decision, apparently made at several levels of the Republican leadership, to keep this among themselves, to the point where they never informed the Democratic member of the page board.
“Partisan” is framing your response to a horrific situation in such a way that you think you have avoided offending Republicans whose votes you think you need to be re-elected.
“Partisan” is being unable to speak as a father first.
The reaction to the situation is not “partisan;” it is parental and human horror and outrage that the safety and well-being of young people entrusted to the care of the page program was allowed to be compromised for years after the problems were known, for reasons that had nothing to do with those children, and everything to do with keeping their jobs. That Republicans and conservatives have not been afraid to state the obvious makes who, exactly, the partisan?
I think Lieberman just had a Michael Dukakis moment, reminiscent of the debate where he was asked how he would feel about the death pealty if it had been his wife who had been raped and murdered, and he gave a political answer, instead of a human one.
Yeah, Joe…Score!
dab from CT @
90
I hear you Dab, but I think Joe may just have given us all the shot in the arm we needed.
I guess we just needed to hang out until he acted like a complete louse, which was pretty much guaranteed.
MarcLord @ 5
OT—
Re: your question a few threads ago is answered really well on a blog called Orcinus:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2…..ining.html
“The Cask of Lamont, he ought to”
*snerk* welcome back, punaise.
*ilson- about that story?
Hey *ilson! Did you get my email? I see you didn’t delete my link to your *particular* encounter. It is such a great story, but I’m not sure how much you want it passed around. Can you clarify please?
why, punaise I would surely love some of that rare and fiery liquid.
Mommybrain @ 100
Mommybrain! I changed it to “The Task of Lamont…”
Subway Serenade @ 28
Subway! Welcome back!
Sharkbabe @ 80
You are so…well… right on. I like it! You’re not holding anything back are you? I really do like it. Lamont will be going to Washington come January.
Uh, that should be death “peNalty” Long day.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 78
That’s it in a nutshell! How can Lamont run as a Dem when the Dem party is supporting Lieberman?
Aside from all the other reasons behind what is happening, I’m sure the Dem establishments sees a Lamont loss as a way to slap down the grassroots.
Personally, I think they will live to regret what they are doing.
angie @ 102
we could serve you some, but then we’d have to wall you in with bricks in the cellar as you sleep it off
dab@89
I hear your frustration. Methinks that the dem establishment is scared pantsless that Ned might win. Pick any of the following:
1. Should that happen then they need to give us a place at the table and that upsets their club and their masters, the corporations.
2. Joe is trying to hold both parties by the short hairs and he’s stupid enough to think that the repugs will continue to be good to him should he get elected and caucus with the dems.
3. The dems are stupid enough to think that Joe, should he win, will caucus with them. OR they are cutting deals with him under the table. But even if that is happening, the repugs are the mafia. The horses head will appear on his bed should he do ANYTHING they don’t like.
I’m sure there are lots more scenarios but none of them have anything to do with the voters or representing them. How sad is that? The only option we have is working our tails off for Ned and getting him elected.
I just want to take a moment to thank all the pups for their prayers and support during my ordeal. Now that I’ve returned, I plan to use the time remaining before the election to kick some serious Goper butt.
In the morning, I’m sending Goper’s Lament to college and talk radio stations in tight districts to see if I can get some air play.
I’d appreciate it if folks who have downloaded it would take a few moments and email the link to your lists.
My heart is with you. Let’s take back both Houses.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 78
I like it.
Hi, kids. I just hit a free moment in my nightly activities and thought I would stop in and say hi. How is everyone?
V.G. == What startled me about that Foley encounter in the cloakroom Easter Sunday night a year ago was how incredibly obvious he was. I was an overweight, older stranger yet he definitely gave me a “hard cruise” – he was not just going for “the young stuff” …
dab from CT –
I want to do some canvassing in CT over the next few weekends.
I went to Lamont’s website and it appears that they have canvassing opportunities in several different cities.
I’m looking to canvass somewhere close to Manhattan so I can actually get there early in the morning to participate.
Do you happen to have any recommendations for the best canvassing sites in CT close to the city? I will have to take a train as I do not own a car.
Here’s the link to Lamont’s event page:
http://nedlamont.com/events
Also, are any other NYC FDL people interested in traveling to CT for canvassing/volunteering over the next few weekends? Perhaps we could coordinate our efforts.
I’m quite certain that the reason Schumer doesn’t stand up to Lieberman is that Schumer wants Lieberman to win. Schumer cares ONLY about protecting the perks and privileges of entrenched incumbents — it’s the old Incumbency Protection Racket at work. He does NOT care about getting quality Democrats elected and he does NOT care about a Dem majority.
Schumer is also an unrepentent warhawk who is just as guilty for the Iraq war as the neocons. He IS a neocon.
I would love to see a top-tier primary challenger destroy this odious man’s career in 2010. I wonder if Eliot Spitzer would be interested in running and taking Schumer out…
i think there’s a problem in tying lieberman to hastert, actually.
first, it plays right into lieberman’s ‘lamont’s a partisan and i’m not’ meme. sure, we all know that’s b.s., but so far that hasn’t moved the polls in lamont’s favor.
second, although it might shift more dems lamont’s way, i think most people in connecticut are going to wonder what this all has to do with lieberman. it will look like a partisan attack which could turn off independents.
one wonders if the best approach might simply be to say, “why is joe lieberman taking sides now?” or even, “this scandal only proves that there are times when the other party is FLAT WRONG. republicans have no problem saying that. why won’t joe lieberman say it?”
punaise @ 109
hmmm. on second thought, I’ll wait out here for The Fall of the House of bUsher.
scarecrow @
47
Fordham is not one of those closet gays. He is out. And maybe that is one reason he is speaking up. He has nothing to lose and he might save his ***.
I really, really like Rosie O’Donnell. And I don’t care who knows it.
Lieberman, Schmieberman.
TRex @ 112
oh, you know, just another day at the office. watcha cooking up for Late Nite?
(and, yes, the Karr line was excellent)
*ilson46201 @ 114
Thanks *ilson- I guess I can quote your original now. You were there during the Shiavo vote. And, in the cloakroom (not the restroom, as you said before). I mentioned on an earlier thread that Foley was *not* just interested in nubile young men, but also in old fine wine (you), but then I wasn’t sure if I should elaborate. I will post the link to your original comment, if I can find it, and if that’s okay.
vidocq @ 92
Not a dumb question at all.
Hastert is toast as Speaker. Once he’s gone, even more pressure will come to bear on Boehner and Reynolds to resign, because they enabled this every bit as much as Hastert. These things take time. You have a tearful apology from Hastert in his resignation speech. It’s the metaphor of DeadEye shooting Harry in the face all over the front pages day after day. The metaphor is: Republicans can’t govern. It’s a Joe and Jane sixpack story. Rita Cosby and Nancy Grace are reinforcing the metaphor.
Then you probably have the tearful resignations Boehner and Reynolds from their party offices. Or you have them fighting to retain their party office, by pointing the finger at other Republicans. (They can’t claim that is a “partisan” issue) Either way, there is no “oxygen” in the media for the GOP to spin anything. Republicans just look morally bankrupt in the month leading into midterms. As Lawrence O’Donnell said on Scarborough, “this story is out of control.” Conservatives and liberals want the truth. Karl Rove for probably the first time in the last six years, cannot control headlines or anything else, at all. The media is free to do their job on this story in a way they are not on practically every other story they cover. It is an amazing confluence of events.
Hi TRex!
Ho-hum, indeed. Some here are just waxing poe-e-tic. How’s Ned?
Fee-Fi-Fo-Fum, we smell the blood of republicons.
Wonder how many people they would have cross off the list for possible Speaker before they could find one with even a modicum of integrity?
Boehner wants the job, bad, don’t you think? He makes my skin crawl.
John Casper,
Good observations. And notice that Roy Blunt is already trying to position himself as a voice of sanity who would have handled it better. He is just as much a jackass as the rest of them, but so far his name is not part of this dirty mess. . . . at least as far as we know right now.
also, i hope hastert’s pride overcomes any whit of good political sense he might have — as it has so far. the longer he holds out, the worse this becomes for republicans.
reynolds and shimkus are treading dangerous territory as well. until one of the congresspersons involved comes out and entirely sets the record straight without equivocating or qualifying statements, the damage will continue.
and dems can really just moderate, sit back and not get in the way while the reps implode — because for once, the press are doing their job.
New and Improved~! thread, upstairs.
I have a special announcement for Late Nite tonight.
And a new contest!
TREX!! A little better today, I hope, after those Huddle House greasy egg sliders…?
;-)
Jane, I’ve got to agree with scarecrow:
Best. Line. This. Year.
And I am going to use it the next time some entrenched old school Dem gives me the “be a nice girl” bullsh*t.
(Richmond, I think you have not seen THESE girls fight. Nuclear winter pales in comparison.)
Apparently we need to organize and schedule FDL University’s certificate program in “Fighting like a girl”, beginning with “Take No Prisoners 101″ and a lab in “Show No Mercy”.
punaise @ 95
http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/poe/works/tt_heart.html
The Task of Lamont, he ought to
Arrrrrrrrrrgh!!!
*ilson, the whole Foley thing is beginning to remind me of one of those “Victorian” novels like The Pearl, where none of the uppercrust characters seem to work and they go around randy all the time, but all the time, and have six in the broom closet, the maid’s bedroom, under the dining table while Aunt Gertrude is there, the children see and try it out too, it’s all such a tittilating thrill. Congress, as The Pearl.
The cable news monkeys have been hinting that we’re not even close to the end of it.
punaise @ 109
And I’m fresh out of mordor…oh. wrong fantasy.
*ilson46201 @
96
Scarborough on Foley is a two-fer, innit?
dead woman…..check
live boy…….check
I am not so sure that Blount (or Cantor for that matter) are squeaky clean and unknowing.
Foley voted against his state’s and his constituents’ interests when he was “gently persuaded” by both to vote for CAFTA. It’s a big deal. I think they knew and used it… I also think Delay used it and could be persuaded to tell if he is “squeezed” enough.
I’m also behind on these comments. Children’s choir tonight, followed by potluck. Jane, you rock!
*xyz @ 115
xyz –
I would recommend canvassing in Norwalk with Maura. You can take the train to Sono – I’m not sure where the new office is (I’ve been working from the Danbury & Bethel offices) – but I’m sure someone at the office would pick you up if it’s a long way.
Here’s a link to the Norwalk event. I think Ned will be there – for an extra bonus.
http://www.nedlamont.com/page/…..ility/wrvg
angie @ 134
It would explain why they kept Foley around instead of booting him. Who could possibly be more reliable?
this is all rooted in the republicans’ attitude ‘never admit a mistake’ — always attack, never retreat, never surrender.
these republicans are just completely oblivious to the concepts of remorse or contrition. it’s destroying them in front of our very eyes.
i knew this day would come.
At this point it’s Blunt, I agree.
Would an election for the new speaker be in January?
new thread. More Joey
Anne at 6:40 pm*
You absolutely nailed it.
That is all they had to do, document it with Democrats. If they had done that,in 2003, 2004…. the Dems probably would have caved and this would be a completely different story.
That’s how fragile these things are. That was THE POLITICAL (not moral) mistake, they didn’t taint the Democrats with something about this.
Rove has taught them to do this, Pat Roberts tainted all the Democrats on pre-war intelligence. It’s called “taking prisoners” and wrt Foley, the Republicans didn’t do it.
My guess is in the wake of Abramoff, the GOP was hard up for cash. They used Foley’s proclivities against him and negotiated very aggressive fund raising goals from him. In return for raising all this money, Foley wanted them, to “auction” off a lunch with him to pages, who bid for it. IMHO (and without a shred of concrete evidence to support my speculation, Foley was desperate for the “auction,” because it communicated to all the pages, not just high bidder, that the GOP leadership considered Foley “safe” to go out to lunch with. The “FFF” nickname confirms that pages knew Foley was not safe. The GOP leadership didn’t consider Foley “safe,” they wanted money and they didn’t think any of the pages would ever go public. Pages are “employees.”
RevDeb @ 110
After seeing what’s happening to Foley’s pals, you’d think the last thing the Dem establishment would want is to be seen without pants.
Joke Line on CNN now
Anne @ 98
Bing! Bing! Bing! Bing! Bing!
Eureka Springs, AR @
141
good question! if Hastert resigns within a week, can the House function staffwise (no sessions) until January 3rd and “organization day”?
Thanks dab!
Gergen and Kline suggesting that Hastert might announce he will not run for Speaker again in January, but not resign now. Postpone the Republican party fight over who will be the new leadership.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 119
I am witchu.
People want answers. I only see two “exit strategies” from the media feeding frenzy for Hastert, Boehner, and Reynolds.
Option 1: full admissions of criminal negligence wrt workplace sexual harrassment and statutory rape.
Option 2: “I cannot comment, because there is an ongoing criminal investigation.”
America, conservative and liberal, doesn’t care if they resign. They can resign from their party offices. They can resign from Congress. The media will continue to hound them. What did they know? When did they know it?
John Casper @ 123
I understand your scenario. And it makes a certain amount of sense. But Christ, we’re in deep doo doo if we have to depend on the likes of Rita Cosby & Nancy Grace to fight our battles.
Hell they’re still looking for that poor young woman in Aruba.
Mostly I lurk & I like the people here. But it’s a lot like kissin’ your sister.
Everytime there’s another gop scandel (how many is that now?). The conservative cable commentators at Fox, CNN & even MSNBC say:
Bill Clinton
And the viewer nod their heads: “Duh, yeah Bill Clinton.”
Did you ever try to discuss this stuff with those people?
Hell you might as well tell me about James Buchanan or Eisenhower’s wartime girlfriend or JFK gettin laid in the White House. Who cares? It aint about gettin’ even folks.
It’s about gettin’ seats.
If the issue is: “Are the Republican morale enough to govern?” Well there’s a litany of indictments, convictions and proven accusations, one piled on top of another.
And maybe a better scenario here in Connecticut is to paint Joe Lieberman with the brush he’s chosen.
His defense of Denny Hastert simply proves that Joe Lieberman is nothing more than a tool of the Washington “Old Boy” network and if we’re ever going to get the hell out of Iraq. We’re going to need to get Joe Lieberman out of the senate.
Joe Liberman & Chuck Schumer are ideologically linked & committed to doing whatever they need to do to support Israel. Our Middle East policies need a major overhaul and we’re not going to get it from these guys. They working for a constituency that doesn’t vote on this continent but does finance campaigns. Spend a few hours going over campaign contributions in the Secretary of State’s office in Hartford.
I really believe that while the morality issue might erode support in the Bible belt. The big issues are draw down & pocket book issues.
I’m not sure this scandal will change any minds where we need to get them changed.
two beers @
135
OT but I’m a sucker for trivia so here goes Former Louisiana Gov. Edwin Edwards once said “The only way I’ll ever lose is if they catch me in bed with a live boy or a dead girl“.
In reality he was caught with millions in bribes from casino developers and got 10 years. When he got out he ran again and won…One of his campaign bumper stickers “Vote for the Crook, it’s Important” His opponent:Ex-Klansman David Dukes
The Foley cover-up is just the latest in a long line of Repug cover-ups of crimes, lies, and worse.
War lies, 9/11 lies, election fraud, torture and torture lies, the PATRIOT actS, Katrina lies, war profiteering, price-fixing, other corporatist lies, filling the federal courts with fascist pigs, and raping the US Constitution. POLITICIZING abortion, religion, and homosexuality.
Give Lieberman the choice. Either he denounces this fascist regime or he’s kicked out of the Democratic party. Have some balls for once. Lieberman thinks we should show respect for Junior just because he’s the president. Get lost Joe!!!
I’m not sure this scandal will change any minds where we need to get them changed.
That’s where Nancy Grace and Rita Cosby come in. FoleyHastertReynoldsBoehnerGate hits directly at the Xtian Right. They watch Fox News, still give the Shrub a favorable JAR (job approval rating) and do not read FDL. This will depress their voter turnout in November, or possibly cause some to vote blue.
I do not in any way mean we can relax. The poll numbers confirm that we can’t, but this is very good news.
new thread: “Joe Tortureman”
Hi Jane,
Subject: Tar & Feathers
I have been following Jack Abramoff since watching Italia Federici’s testimony — highly recommend watching PBS Capital Crimes.
We need patriotic honest Americans by the tens of millions to start heating the tar and looking for feathers.
This problem is fundamental in our government and will not get better until those in power from “both parties” feel lots of heat.
You cannot get elected (reelected) if you do not join the club.
Merck, Exxon, Wal-Mart, etc, etc do not care who they pay to get what they want.
This is not just a repub thing, the Walton family now has over $80 Billion mostly gained via Mr. Bill while sending millions of American jobs to China during the 90’s.
Our big exports now are jobs, scrap metal, threats, war and military items. We do not export computers, cars, TV’s, furniture, coffee makers, etc., etc. so our leaders need to export something to keep us a float.
Maybe this problem is fundamental to our society — so long as my pocket is being stuffed with money all is OK, just ask a Realtor or mortgage broker between 2001 and Jan 2006 or a small business owner who got their Hummer or a stock broker between 1996 and 2000.
Hewlett Packard was the model to follow in Silicon Valley 20 years ago and look at them now.
Honesty and Integrity is for all, we must demand it from all.
Joe Lieberman: the original self hating Democrat
What a utterly contemptible bastard he is. Video games, sex in music and movies and Bill Clinton are he attacks because of the children (they will be harmed!) but people who covered up for a 50 year old chicken-hawk (who was stalking real children) are okay?
Swine. What an utter swine.