fitz!

The roach thing, it’d be like trying to train the roaches in your kitchen to eat only the crumbs on your floor, so you won’t have to sweep.

Unbelieavably great piece by Ellis Weiner. Go here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..30890.html

Spotlight to Connecticut!

Roaches are survivors– they’ve been around a lot longer than the human race. The rethugs (and the DINOs) are trying their utmost to be just like them.

filth.

And let us say

AMEN.

And let’s keep praying with our feet and our phone dialing fingers. We have lots of work to continue to do between now and election day.

xyz – I’m glad you’re doing it, because I still can’t figure out Spotlight.

And, by the way, has Lieberman denounced Foley and the House coverup yet?

Geez, kind of a stretch to stick him in with that bunch isn’t it?

Hunter is on point, yet again:

This will not be a long post. Foley’s new admissions, via his lawyer, are that (1) he was molested by a clergyman when he himself was young, (2) that he is in rehab, and (3) that he is gay.
My sympathy is with Mr. Foley, but… those things are not the point. Mr. Foley’s statements, in fact, put a sharp edge on the point, here.

You do not abuse the trust of children. If you find out about the possible abuse of children, you have a duty to stop it. A duty. An imperative. An oath. All those words that men say, and seldom, apparently, mean.

Because sexual abuse ruins lives forever. What happened to Foley came full circle, from molested victim to predator himself. And now new children are involved, and new lives have been affected, forever.

That is why you do not abuse the trust of children. That is why it was so very important, when the red flags were raised, from 2001 onwards, from 2003 onwards, from 2005 onwards; you have a duty to do more than the most minimally possible nothing.

It is not a political duty. It is a duty to the lives involved — the ones you know about, and all the ones you may not.

I am sick of this. I am sick of this entire foulness. I am sick of Hastert on the Rush Limbaugh show, and lawyers, and press conferences, and I am sick of what is going to come next. I am sick of our country preaching moral values, and electing to office those that, when the chips are down even in their very halls, have none.

At long last: even this?

not much more to add to that.

New NBC/WSJ Poll

Bush JAR 39%

42% in the same poll one month ago

Lieberman says he has been assured of continued seniority; Reid says no. Reid should strip him now, flush Lieberman into the Repub. camp; publicly.

I wouldn’t want to get into a discussion about who is most responsible for the mess in Washington, DC right now, but Lieberman and the DLC certainly have to shoulder some of the blame. They were in charge of the Democratic Party in DC, and they have consistently tried to avoid rocking the boat. That’s not the job of the opposition party. The opposition party is supposed to rock the boat when they think the government is in error. In fact, that’s their only job. Why else have two parties and the ability to debate the issues?

My friend lurks on repug sites and passed this on to me:

And the Christian Coalition website says:

“Christians are being advised not to be so disgusted with the behavior of former Republican Congressman Mark Foley that they decide to stay home from the polls in November… when it comes to voting, the GOP platform supports the sanctity of life and traditional marriage, while liberal Democrats support same-sex “marriage” and abortion on demand. “Those differences remain the same… There is some indication that perhaps left-wing groups and some Democrats knew about this…”

Speaking of bargaining for concessions, I posted this earlier today about a million threads ago . . .

The Hill is reporting that Lieberman is claiming to have assurances from the Dem leadership that he’ll retain his seniority in the next Senate, should he defeat the democratic nominee for his seat, Ned Lamont.

Best unintentional laugh line: “Reid, the Senate Democratic leader, does not want to wrestle with these questions in public before the Nov. 7 election.”

No kidding. No one likes to get rolled and have everyone talking about it in public.

But Harry, if Joe’s blowing smoke and trying to create a reality in which he’d like to live, you could simply say “Joe’s seniority is a matter for the caucus to decide in January.” It’s simple, and it happens to be the truth.

Joe Lieberman has been protecting and promoting Ariel Sharon, Benjamin Netanyahu and other like minded individuals, against the interests of the United States for many, many years. Joe Lieberman has been an enabler of American military and political aggression directed toward the Middle East for a very long time.

dab from CT @
7

xyz – I’m glad you’re doing it, because I still can’t figure out Spotlight.

And, by the way, has Lieberman denounced Foley and the House coverup yet?

Hey Dab,

If you want me to walk you through it – I’d be glad to!

contact me at “insert my FDL handle” at mindspring “dot” “Com”

Coach of the Year?

Lawyer: Ya know, sometimes folks who get in sexual trouble, ahmm…sometimes its because they were molested as children…wink, wink…nudge, nudge.

Foley: Ya don’t say? Ahhhmmm…OK, I get you. Ahhhmmm…that must’ve happened to me.

Lawyer: Are you saying you were molested as a child…wink, wink…nudge, nudge?

Foley: Ahhhmmm…yah, OK that’s it. Yup, that’s what happened!

Lawyer: And ya know, sometimes it happens by people who are in positions of authority, like the the next-door neighbor, or teachers, or religious leaders…wink, wink…nudge, nudge.

Foley: Ahhhmmm…which one is the best…ahhhmmm…I mean…ahhhmmm…OK it must’ve been those religious leaders.

Lawyer: Do you remember if it was a priest, a minister, an imman, a rabbi…wink, wink…nudge, nudge?

Foley: Ahhhmmm…which one is the best…ahhhmmm…I mean…ahhhmmm…OK it must’ve been an imman.

Lawyer: An imman? Ummm…that would be imposs…ummm…were there any Muslims around when you were growing up…wink, wink…nudge, nudge?

Foley: Osama Bin Laden! Yup, that’s who it was! Yup!

Lawery: Ahhhmmm…no no no, not Osama. I don’t think we could get away…ahhhmmm…how about this: Were there any Catholic priests around when you were growing up…wink, wink…nudge?

Foley: Ahhhh…I get you…OK, it was those Catholics!

Lawyer: Ahhhmmm…OK…Catholic priests.

Foley: And…and…they were drinkin’!

Lawyer: Ahhhmmm…they? Drinking? WTF?

Interview interrupted by Foley’s Blackberry. IM apparently from someone named JoeLieb54…

You were molested by someone you can’t name? Please. You can’t throw someone else under the bus if you won’t cough up the name.

Good to know there was no inappropriate sex with minors, though. How about appropriate sex with minors?

OT Although all the people Pachacutec mentions at the start of his post, give me gas.

Your daily gas and oil prices
Average price for regular gasoline 10/03/06 in 50 states and DC

$3.00 plus 1 state
$2.90 plus 0 states
$2.80 plus 1 state
$2.70 plus 1 state
$2.60 plus 5 states
$2.50 plus 5 states
$2.40 plus 3 states
$2.30 plus 9 states
$2.20 plus 8 states
$2.10 plus 16 states
$2.00 plus 2 states

Average daily decline in the national average for regular gasoline beginning at the peak:

August 8-15: .56 cents
August 15-22: 1.06
August 22-29: 1.19
August 29- September 5: 1.54
September 5-12: 1.7
September 12-19: 1.8
September 19-26: 1.7
September 26-October 3: .9

Average national price: $2.305, down $.004 from yesterday
Down 63.3 cents from same time last year.
Highest recorded national average price: $3.057 9/5/2005

Highest average price: Hawaii $3.062
Lowest average price: Missouri $2.023

http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp

Nymex Crude Future $58.68, down $2.35
Dated Brent Spot $57.71, down $2.00
WTI Cushing Spot $58.68, down $2.35

Gas prices decline but their rate of decline has moderated sharply. Still their decline is far ahead of last year. Oil is now at a very interesting place. This is within a few cents of what I think the bottom end of its rational price (~$58) should be. This would be based on a $45 base price plus a ~$15 speculative premium due to world instability.

Some have said that this drop is due to a National Weather report predicting no further severe hurricanes for this year due to El Nino effects. I find this hard to believe. I mentioned this year’s El Nino back in my September 20 comment. If oil markets were this slow to incorporate El Nino’s effects on hurricanes, it makes you wonder how long it will take them to factor in that El Ninos generally produce milder, wetter winters over much of the US (in the West and North). And then others say that some speculators got burned and have left the market. I am not sure. Speculators may be bidding the market down. If oil drops further, I will have to do some major reassessment because the price will no longer be strictly rational.

yes, OK Kiddo and so was D’Amato and so is Hill and others.

I want American candidates to stand up for America with sound and grounded arguments, not for a failed and lopsided policy that disenfranchises millions and makes enemies of moms and dads and children all ’round the globe.

Hey Joe! How’s big Pharma treating you and the Mrs? I think of you everyday when I hear that another group of American taxpaying seniors cross the border to Canada to get their prescriptions filled!! I hope you still dream about the float at night! I hope you are having fun with your Gop friends!!

Hugh: What is dropping faster? Gas or Republicans?

Frank Probst @
18

You were molested by someone you can’t name? Please. You can’t throw someone else under the bus if you won’t cough up the name.

Good to know there was no inappropriate sex with minors, though. How about appropriate sex with minors?

From AmericaBlog

Foley’s lawyer just said the following on TV:

Let me make something perfectly clear. There was absolutely never any inappropriate sexual contact with any minor.

But as an astute reader just emailed me, in many states, including apparently DC, 16 is the age of consent. Below 16, you’re a minor. 16 and up, you’re not a minor.

So Foley’s lawyer just said he never had sex with any 15 year olds. And yes, all pages are 16 and up, from what we’ve heard.

Link

Lou Dobbs just did nice little interview with Bill Moyers spotlighting his special tomorrow night on PBS covering corruption and money in Republican politics and government. Good to see him appear again in MSM in a positive light.

Ok. Just catching up with the day of news and I am a bit confused. first foley’s lawyers says he only had Internet sex with kids when he was drunk — but he came off the floor of the house to have Internet sex with a teen. So he’s drinking on the job too? And this wasn’t noticed as well?
And then the lawyer announces Foley is a gay man?!?! Yeah, and?!?! WTF does that have to do with anything.
My level of frustration has just hit the breaking point..

katie @
8

Geez, kind of a stretch to stick him in with that bunch isn’t it?

No and if it were I would. He had a fundraiser organized by Sembler just last week, (I think it was last week?)

Speaking of Bill Moyers– he is published today and I will just post a bit– read the entire thing to get yourself fired up!

The only way to counter the power of organized money is with organized and outraged people. Believe me, what members of Congress fear most is a grassroots movement that demands clean elections and an end to the buying and selling of influence—or else! If we leave it to the powers that be to clean up the mess that greed and chicanery have given us, we will wake up one day with a real Frankenstein of a system—a monster worse than the one created by Abramoff, DeLay and their cronies. By then it will be too late to save Lincoln’s hope for “government of, by, and for the people.”

http://www.tompaine.com/articl….._weeps.php

I umm concluded a uh long time ago when ummm he ran for umm vice-president and uh would take a very umm long time to umm say that he umm didn’t really have uh a damn thing to uh say.
Students of political science need to be taught this guys life as an example of how to succeed without even trying.

Almost all the same can be said for Ken Salazar – though he’s a mere piker compared to Holy Joe.

Peterr @ 14

But Harry, if Joe’s blowing smoke and trying to create a reality in which he’d like to live, you could simply say “Joe’s seniority is a matter for the caucus to decide in January.” It’s simple, and it happens to be the truth.

After Reid’s disgraceful role in passing the torture/kangaroo courts bill, I think it’s important to realize that Harry is not a leader. He’s an enabler and more similar than not to Holy Joe.

Scarborough and Barnicle throwing everybody under the bus… chrissy is speechless.

Washington is no stranger to the arrogance of power, BUT it’s so over-the-top this time — and that has a lot to do with there not having been any real Democratic opposition. The bastards knew they could get away with anything, and that feeling of entitlement just grew and grew.

Completely unable to function without their protective sense of entitlement, the Rethugs hold one press conference after the other, each more ridiculous than the last. I used to think that, if nothing else, conservatives were about not whining, accepting responsibility, and taking your punishment like a man. I must have been misinformed.

Now, their endless series of press conferences is absolutely surreal — they should be collected into a book, “WE’VE GOT SOME EXPLAININ’ TO DO: The 2006 House GOP Sets the Record Straight.” This could be the cover picture.:

Funny thing how the congress exempted itself from obeying the laws that the rest of us peons are subject to.

CNN reporting now that Rep. Boehner is now saying Democrats are to blame for Predatorgate.

Ok let’s check where we are on the Repug Playbook:

1. Never fess up. – Check
2. Tell ‘em you can’t remember. – Check
3. Lie. – Check
4. Blame the victim. – Check
5. Blame the Democrats. – Check
6. Hideout in Rehab. – Check

OK, all bases covered now!

Mad Dogs @ 34

CNN reporting now that Rep. Boehner is now saying Democrats are to blame for Predatorgate.

Ok let’s check where we are on the Repug Playbook:

1. Never fess up. – Check
2. Tell ‘em you can’t remember. – Check
3. Lie. – Check
4. Blame the victim. – Check
5. Blame the Democrats. – Check
6. Hideout in Rehab. – Check

OK, all bases covered now!

nicely done.

Tweety doesn’t often do it live at 7 (usually a rerun of the earlier show) so obviously he and his crew are just salivating over this whole thing.

ccmask @ 22

Hugh: What is dropping faster? Gas or Republicans?

This week Republicans, definitely!

Mad Dogs @ 34

CNN reporting now that Rep. Boehner is now saying Democrats are to blame for Predatorgate.

Ok let’s check where we are on the Repug Playbook:

1. Never fess up. – Check
2. Tell ‘em you can’t remember. – Check
3. Lie. – Check
4. Blame the victim. – Check
5. Blame the Democrats. – Check
6. Hideout in Rehab. – Check

OK, all bases covered now!

Blame Clinton: Check

UptownNYChick @ 25

Ok. Just catching up with the day of news and I am a bit confused. first foley’s lawyers says he only had Internet sex with kids when he was drunk — but he came off the floor of the house to have Internet sex with a teen. So he’s drinking on the job too? And this wasn’t noticed as well?
And then the lawyer announces Foley is a gay man?!?! Yeah, and?!?! WTF does that have to do with anything.
My level of frustration has just hit the breaking point..

Frustration? Take a breath. The alcoholism ploy won’t work, for the same reason it’s not going to help Mel Gibson–most people don’t get drunk and ask high schoolers to measure their penises. That’s why we’ve moved on to “I was molested by my priest.” Even now, I’m sure there are legal aides trying to find some dead priest to blame this on. That’s also not going to fly unless he come up with some verifiable story about how he’s struggled with his demons for years. As for the “I’m a gay man” angle, he will get no support from the gay community (he voted for DOMA) while losing whatever support he had from the far right. The looming question that the GOP is trying to fight off at all costs is “Who are the other gay Republicans?” I don’t think it’s any accident that Ken Mehlman seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.

Pachacutec, A great post! You pulled an AMEN from RevDeb and a verbal halleluiah from me as I read along.

Scarborough:

“Either Tom Reynolds is a liar or Denny Hastert is a liar”

why just one or the other, why not both?

The Republicans are still trying to correlate pedo-thugs with gay persons. There is NO relationship between folks who happen to be gay, and crimes against children. I resent the implication. And I am str8. I would present a guess that most of those who perp child abuse are hetero.

And another thing. Boehner must not be allowed to escape responsibility in this sordid mess.

GOP = Gross Old Perverts

Barnacle right on the mark,

“all about power . . .
or all about cover up of a predator . . . .?’

but again it doesn’t have to be one or the other. It is both.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 41

The Republicans are still trying to correlate pedo-thugs with gay persons. There is NO relationship between folks who happen to be gay, and crimes against children. I resent the implication. And I am str8. I would present a guess that most of those who perp child abuse are hetero.

And another thing. Boehner must not be allowed to escape responsibility in this sordid mess.

I agree.

These are Fascists– all of them. It is all about power.

Great post Pach.

OT-

From Billmon:

How I’m Feeling at the Moment
McCroskey: This is going to be a real sweat. Genderson, let me know when you get anything. Got a cigarette Nelson? I can’t take much more of this. Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines. Johnny, how about some more coffee?
Johnny: NO THANKS!

Jim Abrahams and David Zucker
Airplane
1980

Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit blogging.

Classic.

dab from CT @ 7

xyz – I’m glad you’re doing it, because I still can’t figure out Spotlight.

And, by the way, has Lieberman denounced Foley and the House coverup yet?

I’m still waiting to hear that Lieberman has said anything about any of this. Maybe he has, but I haven’t heard it.

Is he busy writing the sequel to his Bill Clinton denunciation speech, this time to denounce the moral corruption of the Republican Party? I’m not holding my breath.

RevDeb @ 41

Scarborough:

“Either Tom Reynolds is a liar or Denny Hastert is a liar”

why just one or the other, why not both?

I believe in psychology this is known as a “false choice”!

Oklahoma kiddo @ 15

Joe Lieberman has been protecting and promoting Ariel Sharon, Benjamin Netanyahu and other like minded individuals, against the interests of the United States for many, many years. Joe Lieberman has been an enabler of American military and political aggression directed toward the Middle East for a very long time.

Actually it’s not just the Israeli Right wing, Shmuel Rosner Haaretz’s US correspondent has I believe a Lieberman Watch tracking this race. In contrast, other Senate contests receive little or no Israeli media attention.

So we follow the story about a sexual predator with a commercial for . . . . drum roll . . . . .

CIALIS.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 41

The Republicans are still trying to correlate pedo-thugs with gay persons. There is NO relationship between folks who happen to be gay, and crimes against children. I resent the implication. And I am str8. I would present a guess that most of those who perp child abuse are hetero.

And another thing. Boehner must not be allowed to escape responsibility in this sordid mess.

They’ve been trying to equate gays with pedophiles for years. Now it’s biting them in the ass. As a gay man, I’m enjoying the karma here. Maybe now the right wing will start asking how a gay prostitute got into the White House Press Corps. And frankly, I have absolutely no problem with reporters asking every Republican, “Are you gay or a pedophile?”

What I find curious is the deafening silence from the nation’s moral guardian, “Pastor” James Dobson.

I felt sure that the author of this little gem;
“Meanwhile, the boy’s father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son’s maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger.”
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com…..1551546529

would have plenty to say about the former congressman’s current difficulties.

I’m just sayin’

Oklahoma kiddo @ 41

The Republicans are still trying to correlate pedo-thugs with gay persons. There is NO relationship between folks who happen to be gay, and crimes against children. I resent the implication. And I am str8. I would present a guess that most of those who perp child abuse are hetero.

And another thing. Boehner must not be allowed to escape responsibility in this sordid mess.

Agreed, Boehner and Reynolds. Any others?

FDL Friends

You guys are probably all over this but, Fox news has known for months about Foley. But choose to hold the story. WTF

Frank Probst @ 39

UptownNYChick @ 25

Ok. Just catching up with the day of news and I am a bit confused. first foley’s lawyers says he only had Internet sex with kids when he was drunk — but he came off the floor of the house to have Internet sex with a teen. So he’s drinking on the job too? And this wasn’t noticed as well?
And then the lawyer announces Foley is a gay man?!?! Yeah, and?!?! WTF does that have to do with anything.
My level of frustration has just hit the breaking point..

Frustration? Take a breath. The alcoholism ploy won’t work, for the same reason it’s not going to help Mel Gibson–most people don’t get drunk and ask high schoolers to measure their penises. That’s why we’ve moved on to “I was molested by my priest.” Even now, I’m sure there are legal aides trying to find some dead priest to blame this on. That’s also not going to fly unless he come up with some verifiable story about how he’s struggled with his demons for years. As for the “I’m a gay man” angle, he will get no support from the gay community (he voted for DOMA) while losing whatever support he had from the far right. The looming question that the GOP is trying to fight off at all costs is “Who are the other gay Republicans?” I don’t think it’s any accident that Ken Mehlman seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.

I think my frustration comes from the fact that they even have the nerve to say a damn thing. There are people in this world that actually say “I failed. I am sorry. I am ashamed of my behavior. I accept whatever my punishment should be.”
I am more and more enraged with each and every lie they are trying to shove down my throat.

Tweety says House Ethics Committee has just announced it will meet Thursday. He questions whether this is a genuine intention to investigate the Foley matter or just window dressing.

“House Ethics Committee just announced a meeting Thursday. It will be a closed door meeting.”

Yep, let’s keep it all in the closet, shall we?

neurophius @ 53

Tweety says House Ethics Committee has just announced it will meet Thursday. He questions whether this is a genuine intention to investigate the Foley matter or just window dressing.

House Ethics Committee, that’s an oxymoron.

It’s their fault so far:

1. Those who leaked the story
2. Democrats
3. The victims
4. Gays
5. Clinton
6. An anonymous clergyman

RevDeb@53 great snark!

a one-panel political cartoon at Roll Call…

[teen looking at computer screen]

REPUB2006: the democrats, if they had their way, would coddle the terrorists! does that make you feel a little less safe?

1STTIMEVOTR: a little.

REPUB2006: cool.

Barnicle and Scarborough are not my favorites for sure. But they are, it seems talking sense on this Foley business. The way the Republicans are trying to spin things on this reveals the underlying bigotry at the core of todays Republican message. That message being misogyny, racism and bigotry.

RevDeb @ 54

“House Ethics Committee just announced a meeting Thursday. It will be a closed door meeting.”

Yep, let’s keep it all in the closet, shall we?

Hah!

I’m getting to like Tristero more and more every day. His latest:

Open Letter To Democrats by tristero…
Published: Today, 5:48 PM

Open Letter To Democrats

by tristero

Dear Democratic candidate for Congress,

If your consultants don’t take this story and combine it with this one, then add numerous references to this unbelievably outrageous stunt and urge you to flay the Republicans over their dangerous incompetence, their sheer inability to perceive reality, their malicious lies, and their unparalleled moral hypocrisy…If instead, your consultants insist that in the next month you ignore all these genuine gifts so you can re-emphasize prescription drugs or concerns over the economy, fire them immediately, sue them for fraud, then grab them by their throats, stick ‘em in an empty room and force them to listen to the complete recorded works of Andrew Lloyd Webber. Over and over. For a week. No. make it two weeks.

Love,

tristero

see original for the links.

aReader @ 58

a one-panel political cartoon at Roll Call…

[teen looking at computer screen]

REPUB2006: the democrats, if they had their way, would coddle the terrorists! does that make you feel a little less safe?

1STTIMEVOTR: a little.

REPUB2006: cool.

Beware of the cartoonists!

Say . . . anyone seen darkblack today? The threads have been so fast and furious, if we’ve been graced with some visual commentary on all this by our resident art-snark expert, I’ve missed it.

Doesn’t the timing of all this just seem so…precious? I mean, coming right at the same time as Woodward’s belated but nonetheless damning book that nails Condi to the wall and hints there was a coverup of some kind in the 9-11 report? Right after the do-nothing congress passed that putrid torture bill, so they can go home acting all tough but knowing the Supreme Court will strike it down eventually. Better to steal the headlines by rolling one of your own under the bus, if you have to. They must have been saving the scandal up for just when they needed it. Just seems too coincidental for it to be put out there after it had a lid on it for so long. Don’t buy the hype — yeah, this guy’s a pig who deserves whatever he gets, but the GOP is playing everyone, trying to get them to take their eyes off the more important balls (so to speak). They’re betting that it won’t affect more than the FL seat by the time elections roll around.

Prober @ 51

FDL Friends

You guys are probably all over this but, Fox news has known for months about Foley. But choose to hold the story. WTF

So did the Miami Herald who is known for accepting money from the US Gov in order to print anti Cuban propaganda. Why wouldn’t they accept money to hold a story here and there.
The Herald did run witha story outing a politicians sex life and he committed suicide in the papers office in a final response. Perhaps that is why they held off.
(See Miami Herald in wikipedia)

fwiw, if you comment using the word “p*n*s” it’ll get trapped and will have to be sprung – please use a euphemism such as “male generative organ” or such …

Who will Floridians vote for, do you suppose? I’m in Foley’s District. My very Gop Gop coworker is voting for Mahoney. I am in shock! I mean this guy has FOX as his homepage!

Hugh @ 55

It’s their fault so far:

1. Those who leaked the story
2. Democrats
3. The victims
4. Gays
5. Clinton
6. An anonymous clergyman

Lots of attempts to blame it on the ‘internet’ as well.

David Schuster on Tweety now, should Hastert resign?

Hugh @ 57

It’s their fault so far:

1. Those who leaked the story
2. Democrats
3. The victims
4. Gays
5. Clinton
6. An anonymous clergyman

Progressive bloggers

Ooops, forgot one, with apologies

It’s their fault so far:

1. Those who leaked the story
2. Democrats
3. The victims
4. Gays
5. Clinton
6. The booze
7. An anonymous clergyman

RevDeb @ 50

So we follow the story about a sexual predator with a commercial for . . . . drum roll . . . . .

CIALIS.

not quite subliminal advertisment, what’s it called, product placement???
how about an ad next for those little IM devices…

*ilson46201 @ 64

fwiw, if you comment using the word “p*n*s” it’ll get trapped and will have to be sprung – please use a euphemism such as “male generative organ” or such …

Sounds painful!

*ilson46201 @ 64

fwiw, if you comment using the word “p*n*s” it’ll get trapped and will have to be sprung – please use a euphemism such as “male generative organ” or such …

Trex will remember this one:

Trouser Trout.

Hugh – You also forgot Jane Fonda.

Eureka Springs, AR @ 4:33 pm (#67)

Hugh @ 55

It’s their fault so far:

1. Those who leaked the story
2. Democrats
3. The victims
4. Gays
5. Clinton
6. An anonymous clergyman

Lots of attempts to blame it on the ‘internet’ as well.

Yes, no doubt more restrictive measures will be necessary to stop the spread of pornographic IM.

shuster’s report is damning … video and more.

Schuster doing the whole roll call of shady characters.

I’m Lovin’ it.

Agreed Pach, that Liebushman has been a major cog in creating and furthering the Repuke Culture of Impunity.

Damn. I used the word p@n%s! I also used the word D$bs*n. Bugger.

Shuster is so great – he actually gets the key facts out there!

ccmask @ 69

Who will Floridians vote for, do you suppose? I’m in Foley’s District. My very Gop Gop coworker is voting for Mahoney. I am in shock! I mean this guy has FOX as his homepage!

My parents are in the district too. They’ve been irritatingly GOP/Foxnews for the last few elections, but even before this scandal the shine was wearing off. No way my mom votes for this sleazebag. Dad was outraged over Monicagate, so it would be pretty tough for him to justify voting for this turkey.

EurekaSprings@66
I didn’t know

Hugh @ 56

It’s their fault so far:

1. Those who leaked the story
2. Democrats
3. The victims
4. Gays
5. Clinton
6. An anonymous clergyman

Demon Rum.

Hell of a Pyrrhic victory though, wouldn’t you say

Garbo:
October 3rd, 2006 at 4:31 pm

PeteCO @ 82

Damn. I used the word p@n%s! I also used the word D$bs*n. Bugger.

Were this a British blog, that last word might get you moderated too …

OK, the new corrected list

It’s their fault so far:

1. Those who leaked the story
2. Democrats
3. The victims
4. Gays
5. Clinton
6. The booze
7. An anonymous clergyman
8. The Internet
9. Lack of family values
10. Jane Fonda, Jimmy Hoffa, and all the other usual suspects

Hugh @ 85

OK, the new corrected list

It’s their fault so far:

1. Those who leaked the story
2. Democrats
3. The victims
4. Gays
5. Clinton
6. The booze
7. An anonymous clergyman
8. The Internet
9. Lack of family values
10. Jane Fonda, Jimmy Hoffa, and all the other usual suspects

you left off the left wing bloggers, ie the rabid lambshers of the left.

*ilson46201 @ 88

PeteCO @ 82

Damn. I used the word p@n%s! I also used the word D$bs*n. Bugger.

Were this a British blog, that last word might get you moderated too …

tis true.

angie @ 35

Mad Dogs @ 34

CNN reporting now that Rep. Boehner is now saying Democrats are to blame for Predatorgate.

Ok let’s check where we are on the Repug Playbook:

1. Never fess up. – Check
2. Tell ‘em you can’t remember. – Check
3. Lie. – Check
4. Blame the victim. – Check
5. Blame the Democrats. – Check
6. Hideout in Rehab. – Check

OK, all bases covered now!

nicely done.

And according to MY calendar, 30 days rehab spits him back out on Nov. 3rd. Just 4 lovely days before the election. Anyone wanna guess how the third act of this will play out?

What about “Knobcheese”? ;)

I haven’t checked Crooks and Liars in a while. Quite the treasure-trove of nuttiness over there. There’s this report by MSNBC that asks whether Foley used campaign contributions to buy the silence of his colleagues.

Then there’s Colbert on Foleygate.

Frank@50…The xtian right is going to drum the gay=child molester meme from now to election day. Ms. Buchannan “known homosexual did it” Mr Perkins,this is what you expect from gays. The mega-church preachers are going to make this work for them.

This is not a Republican problem, it’s the Dems and PC and the homo-sex-uals causing the fall of America. Reading the blogs today the wacko’s are starting to push back with gay=child molester.

I hate to say it, but if more Congressmen are involved, I hope there are girls getting IM’s. That would cut the fundies off at the knees.

Part of the climate that Blowmentum helped create was the dynamic that repiglicans could use supporting statements to justify their arguments that were easily shown to be either fallacious or outright lies.

Case in point: During the vice presidential debate, Holy Joe made the mildest poke at the puppet master to be, noting his immense personal wealth. Snarlin’ Dick lashed back, crowing about how he made his money in the private sector, with no help from the government. Rather than pointing out how Hellisburnin’ was sucking millions from the government trough, Droopy just sat there, making a slight chuckling noise like he was Ed McMahon to Darth Cheney’s Johnny (forgive me St. Johnny, you had more decency in one of your cuticles than can be found in the entire repiglican party).

Hugh @ 86

OK, the new corrected list

It’s their fault so far:

1. Those who leaked the story
2. Democrats
3. The victims
4. Gays
5. Clinton
6. The booze
7. An anonymous clergyman
8. The Internet
9. Lack of family values
10. Jane Fonda, Jimmy Hoffa, and all the other usual suspects

Sex education in the schools.

I actually heard that one today–I think it was here.

Prober @ 81

EurekaSprings@66
I didn’t know

Someone linked an article via rawstory a couple of hours ago. Blogs, now I know where blue blazes are. *g*

Since Foley’s name stays on the Florida ballot, a vote for Foley is a vote for child abuse.

And now, some fine words from the Incoming Senate President Ken Pruitt: “My thoughts are with Congressman Foley and his family during this difficult time – this is a tragic and sad situation on many levels. I join our community in thanking him for his years of dedicated public service. While it is an honor to be rumored as a potential candidate for the Congressional seat, I remain completey commited to serving my constituents in the Florida Senate.”

Impeachment Happens @ 89

angie @ 35

Mad Dogs @ 34

CNN reporting now that Rep. Boehner is now saying Democrats are to blame for Predatorgate.

You left out blame the Church. Childhood abuse.
Ok let’s check where we are on the Repug Playbook:

1. Never fess up. – Check
2. Tell ‘em you can’t remember. – Check
3. Lie. – Check
4. Blame the victim. – Check
5. Blame the Democrats. – Check
6. Hideout in Rehab. – Check

OK, all bases covered now!

nicely done.

And according to MY calendar, 30 days rehab spits him back out on Nov. 3rd. Just 4 lovely days before the election. Anyone wanna guess how the third act of this will play out?

Showing Patty Wetterling’s commercial on Hardballs now.

Steve 92

“Reading the blogs today the wacko’s are starting to push back with gay=child molester.”

They got it wrong.

It’s gay Republican=child molester.

1. Those who leaked the story
2. Democrats
3. The victims
4. Gays
5. Clinton
6. The booze
7. An anonymous clergyman
8. The Internet
9. Lack of family values
10. Jane Fonda, Jimmy Hoffa, and all the other usual suspects

Sex education in the schools.

Don’t forget the feminists!

Eureka Springs AR @97
?

October Surprise?

Just a ‘matter of time’ for bin Laden to face justice: Bush

TRex I left you a little love note at the previous thread.

Now I really have tears in my eyes.

Prober @ 100

Eureka Springs AR @97
?

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._1003.html

with all due respect to the supersnarky commentors, Pachacutec’s right: How are we going to ensure that Joe gets some?

windje @ 102

October Surprise?

Just a ‘matter of time’ for bin Laden to face justice: Bush

I assume he means “Justice, minus habeas corpus, minus Geneva Conventions, minus right to a fair trial…”

windje @ 102

October Surprise?

Just a ‘matter of time’ for bin Laden to face justice: Bush

He’s been sitting in a Bulgarian prison for four years now. I say the news breaks on 10/23/06. Anyone want to $ pinkie bet me?

Just a reminder that Tim Mahoney and Emmie Lee Ross are running against the pedophile. Here is a little from Emmie Ross:

First of all, I give God the praise for the protection and resilience that He has given me to continue my mission to Congress to represent Florida District 16. I was shot at while returning from a women’s conference on Hutchinson Island in St. Lucie. No weapon formed against me shall prosper in dirty politics.

I am running a clean campaign, reaching out to the people in my district, at alleconomic-levels, in all walks of life. I look forward to seeing you on the campaign trail to discuss the many issues we face in the great state of Florida and this great nation of the United States.
http://www.emmieross.com/

Hugh @ 89

OK, the new corrected list

It’s their fault so far:

1. Those who leaked the story
2. Democrats
3. The victims
4. Gays
5. Clinton
6. The booze
7. An anonymous clergyman
8. The Internet
9. Lack of family values
10. Jane Fonda, Jimmy Hoffa, and all the other usual suspects

11. The Dixie Chicks

The drama queen in me wishes the dems would just throw up their hands and say ‘Rome is burning – we gotta get out of here. Dems, women and children first.”

PeteCO @ 110

windje @ 102

October Surprise?

Just a ‘matter of time’ for bin Laden to face justice: Bush

He’s been sitting in a Bulgarian prison for four years now. I say the news breaks on 10/23/06. Anyone want to $ pinkie bet me?

Bulgaria? Really? But I thought he was in Afghanistan. Am I just being naive?

I hope that the Lamont campaign has at least one commercial featuring Droopy’s lauditory comments as he introduced Michael Brown for his confirmation hearing to head FEMA. As I think has been pointed out, Herr Combover gave “Brownie” quite the rubdown, with plenty of lotion. (Sorry, couldn’t resist.)

Oklahoma kiddo @ 42

The Republicans are still trying to correlate pedo-thugs with gay persons. There is NO relationship between folks who happen to be gay, and crimes against children. I resent the implication. And I am str8. I would present a guess that most of those who perp child abuse are hetero.

And another thing. Boehner must not be allowed to escape responsibility in this sordid mess.

Agree 100%, this gay=pedophile conflation is false and intentionally misleading. As is the “internet” label that’s getting persistently attached to this story. No, my bet is that they had regular, old-fashioned, real sex, and then talked about it in e-mails, IMs and probably on the phone, too. They may have even written each other poetry, too. The emails and IMMs are what we have available.

I understand that the Internet component makes it a lovely fat crime, but they will want to use this to control or shut down the net. Very bad, if they do it will be as if we are blinded.

Cute progressive John Laesch is running hard against Denny Hastert – donate thru BlueAmerica

Re Shortride – any Democratic Party worthy of the name would have kicked his ass to the curb for that treacherous, nauseating Clenis sanctimony alone. Much as I hate Rove and the repuke bastards, we could take a lesson or two from them in Don’t Fuck Your Side Over For No Reason 101…

PeteCO @ 110

windje @ 102

October Surprise?

Just a ‘matter of time’ for bin Laden to face justice: Bush

He’s been sitting in a Bulgarian prison for four years now. I say the news breaks on 10/23/06. Anyone want to $ pinkie bet me?

Even if true too little and too late. It will change nothing. People already believe Iraq has made us less safe. Parading bin Laden (if indeed they have him which I doubt) does not change that. OBL would never allow himself to be captured alive.

It would just be another sideshow. People would rather gas do down another quarter than see bin Laden captured.

Hey, *ilson, did you buy any Foley websites this week?

Eureka Springs AR@100
Thank you

Steve @
95

I hate to say it, but if more Congressmen are involved, I hope there are girls getting IM’s. That would cut the fundies off at the knees.

I was researching Dan Crane (R-IL, censured for sex with a 16-year-old page) and came across a blurb for a speech by brother Phil, which referred to the Crane boys as “the Kennedys of the right”.

In all the wrong ways, of course. Guys, it’s not enough JUST to be drunk, immoral, and incoherent–we love the Kennedys in spite of that stuff, not BECAUSE of it!

Where is Keith and who is this gal introducing the show?

dammit.

Amy Rohrbach.

sheesh.

Great post, Pach.

No-show Joe has openly and actively fought any kind of accountability being demanded of the GOP and acted as an effective cudgel to keep the Democrats in line with that agenda.

He must go.

Cozumel 109 – dingdingdingding we have a winner! The Dixie Chicks! Calling Mr. Hastert to the white courtesy phone…

I can’t believe Keith is off today!

ccmask @ 120

Hey, *ilson, did you buy any Foley websites this week?

hmmm…hadnt thought about it – but why kick a man when he’s down? It’s funner to bollix up the LieberLoser campaign!

Bush defended Hastert as a “father, family man, school teacher, coach…”

Would somebody Pleasssse tell Bush that the BTK serial killer was a “father, family man, government employee, elder in his church”…–so just cut the crap. BTW–I’m sure BTK was a victim of something in his childhood too, causing him to act out in such an unfortunate way.

The defenders of the indefensible are just as guilty as Foley–they attempt to diminish the seriousness of his actions and, in effect, encourage others to do the same as Foley, since it is apparently no big deal and they can just blame others if they are caught.

Regarding the flavor of the October Souffle, I was thinking something a little more creative, like the mysterious abduction of a tall, middle-aged man of Arab descent, a humble resident of a large city who would not be missed by anyone with power, some plastic surgery, and voila. (In Bullwinkle Moose voice) Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit outta my hat!

Alas, they are cooking up a much more noxious dish, as the Eisenhower carrier group and the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit have both set sail for the Persian Gulf, with two guided missle destroyer squadrons, minesweepers, minelayers, Coast Guard cutters and helicopters and a battle cruiser in tow. I don’t think they’re going on a sightseeing trip.

Tony Perkins on Hardball now. He keeps referring to gay folks as “they, they, they…”

It proves the point (in my mind) that by continued use of the word “they”, this serves the purpose of Republican bigotry and ’separation’ between ‘them’ and ‘us’ by false definition, and ultimately, points to Republican ignorance.

I cannot abide Perkins.

RevDeb @ 123

I can’t believe Keith is off today!

He’s probably been trying to catch up on all the comments on the threads here today.

angie @ 119

Where is Keith and who is this gal introducing the show?

dammit.

Amy Rohrbach.

sheesh.

I think Keith is scheduled for Letterman tonight.

But you know, who doesn’t get drunk and think of precise penis measurements? I know I do.

I am not a defeatist, nor am I even a pessimist — but Lamont’s campaign seems stuck at 6 points behind Lieberman. Hoping that Schlessinger will get more votes than he polls or that Lieberman’s poor ballot position or that unmotivated Republicans will tip the race Lamont’s way is not a campaign strategy.

Ned has four and a half weeks to unbake the cake. Help me out — what is his campaign strategy to victory.

/s/

A loving optimistic Democrat who hates to lose.

PS rwcole in the house?

Meanwhile, back in Iraq–13 US troops have been killed since October 1– 11 in the past two days. In Afghanistan, 2 US troops were killed yesterday, 3 wounded. Holy Joe–the blood on your hands will never wash off. But then no one can ever say that you (won’t let other people’s children) “cut and run”.

Cozumel @ 112

Hugh @ 89

OK, the new corrected list

It’s their fault so far:

1. Those who leaked the story
2. Democrats
3. The victims
4. Gays
5. Clinton
6. The booze
7. An anonymous clergyman
8. The Internet
9. Lack of family values
10. Jane Fonda, Jimmy Hoffa, and all the other usual suspects

11. The Dixie Chicks

If I were elected president, The Dixie Chicks would, if they accepted the invite, be in my cabinet.

Jane Hamsher @ 124

Great post, Pach.

No-show Joe has openly and actively fought any kind of accountability being demanded of the GOP and acted as an effective cudgel to keep the Democrats in line with that agenda.

He must go.

Denny Hastert has some bus tickets he’s not going to be using. Will that help?

“Predator Scandal Is the Direct, Downstream Result of Liebermanism”

Holly crap, this Lieberman obsession here is totally out of hand. I’m sure we’ll soon hear that he’s responsible for winter

handle 134, that’s silly. You got an argument, argue it.

Eureka Springs, AR @ 132

angie @ 119

Where is Keith and who is this gal introducing the show?

dammit.

Amy Rohrbach.

sheesh.

I think Keith is scheduled for Letterman tonight.

thanks very much.

OK @ 13O– exactly.

Great little hypocrisy laden montage on KO right now.

Liebrman votes with the party of Bush and Hastert most (percentage?) of the time.
Liebrman accepts financial support from (child torturing) Sembler.

I watched Neds new ad yesterday and loved it. It’s a winning ad, assumes the winning position without arrogance.
Is he attacking watb J-lo enough?

raw story has the president claiming catching bin laden is a matter of time

octoer surprise?

Someone has a diary over at dailykos that says that the police have not yet questioned Foley and they have not taken his computers yet.

Did the MSM find out where Foley is for sure? I live in Florida and I’m afraid that he may be out there wandering. Where exactly is he?

It’s not the frequency that Droopy sides with the gang that couldn’t loot straight, it’s the timing. With his party on meaningless procedural votes, with junior when they need the vote and a fig leaf of “bipartisanship.”

I had to turn Countdown off after the Rush clip..”The Dems are upset because they weren’t part of the action.” yuk

It is time to lay the blame for this on the real culprit. Democrats.

You see, if there were no democrats then this story would have never seen the light of day. Hell, elections really wouldn’t need to take place would they. (Note to self: Blame that on the dems too).

As you lisaten to the mighty wurlitzer, hear the organ grinders playing in the distance, know that it is all the fault of Democrats.

Thats All.

Impeachment Happens @ 4:55 pm (#111)

PeteCO @ 110

windje @ 102

October Surprise?

Just a ‘matter of time’ for bin Laden to face justice: Bush

He’s been sitting in a Bulgarian prison for four years now. I say the news breaks on 10/23/06. Anyone want to $ pinkie bet me?

Bulgaria? Really? But I thought he was in Afghanistan. Am I just being naive?

Naive? You have no idea what’s going on out there, now do you?

Osama, JFK, Marilyn, Elvis, and Jackie O. were all doing a tour of the Bermuda Triangle when Osama was abducted by Trilateralist shock troops riding black helicopters. The others were going to object, but the TSTs explained that if they wanted the world to know about the experiments they were conducting trying to splice Bigfoot’s DNA into the Amazing Bat Child then they should just write a letter to the New York Times. Needless to say, that put a stop to that particular conversation.

So, the TSTs took OBL to Bulgaria. I’m told they didn’t even have to refuel thanks to the amazing time-space distortions that exist in the Triangle if you know where to look for them. He’s there just in case the Republicans really, really need him. After all, there’s just no telling when an election might happen.

This just in my mailbox! Yes!

McNerney 48%, Pombo 46%.

Despite over $500,000 in attack ads unleashed on Jerry McNerney over the last month, the voters of the 11th Congressional District are standing strong behind Jerry.

That’s the upshot of a public poll conducted by respected firm Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research, highlighted in an excerpt from a prominent article in this morning’s Stockton Record:

If you want to keep up with (hold your noses) the Right is doing, one thing to do is to drop in at National Review Online occasionally and see what news they are sharing with one another.

From there I learned that right-wing writer Maggie Gallagher has this to say:

Rep. Dennis Hastert is a basically decent man who happens to head up a party that failed to investigate evidence that a GOP congressman (widely known among insiders to be gay) was seeking inappropriate contact with minor boys entrusted to his care. The Washington Times is right: He should resign his leadership post.

So should Rep. Tom Reynolds, the House GOP campaign chairman, who according to news accounts said: “I don’t think I went wrong at all; I don’t know what else I could have done.”

I do.

The Democrats’ response is a transparently political and deeply despicable effort to confuse voters into believing that GOP leaders knew about and ignored sexually explicit e-mails. But I don’t care. It is enough for me that GOP leaders knew that a parent and child had lodged a complaint. They should at a minimum have questioned other pages to find out if other boys may have been involved.

A full investigation must now take place, and Dennis Hastert simply cannot credibly oversee it. Yes, that investigation must include finding out why this sordid story, involving potential threats to children, emerged only a few weeks before an election. Anyone who sat on or set up this story with partisan motives should be exposed. But first things first.

With great power comes great responsibility. Memo to GOP House leaders: Have the decency to accept responsibility and resign from leadership. Or come November, I vote to let the other side put their bums in charge.

handle @ 138

“Predator Scandal Is the Direct, Downstream Result of Liebermanism”

Holly crap, this Lieberman obsession here is totally out of hand. I’m sure we’ll soon hear that he’s responsible for winter

I always thought that was an old wive’s tale. Are you telling me that if Joe comes out of his hole and doesn’t see his shadow, there really are 6 more weeks of winter? Wow.

And I was getting pissed at those on the thread for perpetuating the myths that anything that is happening is part of some grand repug plan or that there is an October Surprise. (Hint – Neither Rover nor any other repug is in control of any of the events happening now; and there is no October Surprise and they don’t have Bin Laden – it’s a repug marketing meme to lift the spirits of their supporters b/c, well, they don’t control any of the narrative anymore).

Lucky for me, this Lieberman as groundhog meme showed up. Is he called Puxhatawny (sp?) Joe?

And this, also at NRO, by Ramesh Ponnru:

I’m not, incidentally, for a Hastert resignation over the Foley matter, and have said so. I think you’re right that a resignation would be very bad for the Republicans, although that’s not the reason I’m against it: I don’t think the case on the merits yet justifies his resignation.

But I also think that Hastert ought to admit that this was not handled well, rather than continuing to defend that handling—as you are also doing. To say that no more excuses Foley’s behavior than faulting the police for botching an investigation would excuse the criminals they were supposed to investigate. And Hastert could have done more—he could have had his staff, say, try to read the emails in question!—and should have.

Eureka Springs, AR @ 5:21 pm (#144)

This just in my mailbox! Yes!

McNerney 48%, Pombo 46%.

Despite over $500,000 in attack ads unleashed on Jerry McNerney over the last month, the voters of the 11th Congressional District are standing strong behind Jerry.

That’s the upshot of a public poll conducted by respected firm Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research, highlighted in an excerpt from a prominent article in this morning’s Stockton Record:

That’s great news. I liked his answers in that Blue America article on him a couple of months ago. Seems like I gave him money though, which if recent events are any indication, means that he’ll probably be voting in favor of cat torture or some such thing as soon as he gets to Congress.

knuckledragger @
144

It’s not the frequency that Droopy sides with the gang that couldn’t loot straight, it’s the timing. With his party on meaningless procedural votes, with junior when they need the vote and a fig leaf of “bipartisanship.”

spot on plus extra credit for “gang that couldn’t loot straight”

I have to agree with Fineman on KO. He says the Democrats MUST come up with an Iraq solution. I would carry that one step further. The Democrats NEED to come up with a plan for peace in the whole of the Middle East!

Unsurprisingly, I seem to again be living in a parallel universe (although I doubt it is evil. Thanks, EPU for being omniscient….

With these questions, Joseph N. Welch turned the course of history:

Have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

Today,we are so far beyond the point of such an inquiry that it would only add to the absurdity, if that is possible.

And finally, this one at NRO from Rich Lowry, another of the right-wing stable:

Like Defending FEMA after Katrina [Rich Lowry]

That’s a little bit like what Hastert is trying to do here. After Katrina, it made political sense for Bush just to say, “Look, I’m not happy with the response and we’re going to fix it” (which eventually he said).Hastert should be doing the same thing, instead of trying to defend what will strike most people as the indefensible response to the Foley warning signs. Of course, the longer Hastert does it, the harder it will be for him to pull out of it.

No wonder people like John Casper refer to comments by time rather than number…the number stuff gets all messed up I guess because of mod stuff

(not complaining – and heart you mods)

So much for “the Dems held the info conspiracy”
Brian Ross (ABC) says as far a he knows all of his sources are Repubs.

Sharkbabe,

With me, flattery will get you everywhere…

Oklahoma kiddo @ 154

I have to agree with Fineman on KO. He says the Democrats MUST come up with an Iraq solution. I would carry that one step further. The Democrats NEED to come up with a plan for peace in the whole of the Middle East!

I’ve disagreed with this before, and will continue to do so. I say Dem’s can just sit on the sidelines and watch the repugs destroy themselves. Why muddy the waters – at this time – a month before the elections. It is enough for dems to say “we need a different” plan.

It would certainly be better for our country, Iraq and the rest of the world if the Dems did have some workable Iraq and/or mid eastplan, but that doesn’t mean they “must” have one to win in November.

Cujo359 @ 144

Impeachment Happens @ 4:55 pm (#111)

PeteCO @ 110

windje @ 102

October Surprise?

Just a ‘matter of time’ for bin Laden to face justice: Bush

He’s been sitting in a Bulgarian prison for four years now. I say the news breaks on 10/23/06. Anyone want to $ pinkie bet me?

Bulgaria? Really? But I thought he was in Afghanistan. Am I just being naive?

Naive? You have no idea what’s going on out there, now do you?

Osama, JFK, Marilyn, Elvis, and Jackie O. were all doing a tour of the Bermuda Triangle when Osama was abducted by Trilateralist shock troops riding black helicopters. The others were going to object, but the TSTs explained that if they wanted the world to know about the experiments they were conducting trying to splice Bigfoot’s DNA into the Amazing Bat Child then they should just write a letter to the New York Times. Needless to say, that put a stop to that particular conversation.

So, the TSTs took OBL to Bulgaria. I’m told they didn’t even have to refuel thanks to the amazing time-space distortions that exist in the Triangle if you know where to look for them. He’s there just in case the Republicans really, really need him. After all, there’s just no telling when an election might happen.

That was intended as joking-but-wouldn’t-be-surprised-if-it-were-true-I-wouldn’t-put-anything-past-these-crooks.

Just to er…clarify.

Evil Parallel Universe @ 5:25 pm (#146)

And I was getting pissed at those on the thread for perpetuating the myths that anything that is happening is part of some grand repug plan or that there is an October Surprise.

As if the stuff they actually do isn’t crazy enough.

Lucky for me, this Lieberman as groundhog meme showed up. Is he called Puxhatawny (sp?) Joe?

Punxsutawney. Hate to admit it, but I had to look it up. It’s right up the road from where I used to live once upon a time.

Is Punxsutawney Phil a Republican?

I love it when Republicans expose themselves.

Cujo – Yeah. And your post was helpful in keeping me from ranting. PS – My omniscience told me to look it up too, but I’m lazy.

but knuckledragger – some kind of Welch moment is coming, I think – but the momentous historic words will come from them in this case, in the form of some soundbite whose ridiculousness and obtuseness finally laughs them out of the room – I feel it on the way

Evil Parallel Universe @ 161

Oklahoma kiddo @ 154

I have to agree with Fineman on KO. He says the Democrats MUST come up with an Iraq solution. I would carry that one step further. The Democrats NEED to come up with a plan for peace in the whole of the Middle East!

I’ve disagreed with this before, and will continue to do so. I say Dem’s can just sit on the sidelines and watch the repugs destroy themselves. Why muddy the waters – at this time – a month before the elections. It is enough for dems to say “we need a different” plan.

It would certainly be better for our country, Iraq and the rest of the world if the Dems did have some workable Iraq and/or mid eastplan, but that doesn’t mean they “must” have one to win in November.

Agree 100%

You can’t trust the idiots that got us in to this to get us out of this

Nuff said

Oklahoma kiddo @ 149

I have to agree with Fineman on KO. He says the Democrats MUST come up with an Iraq solution. I would carry that one step further. The Democrats NEED to come up with a plan for peace in the whole of the Middle East!

And EPU-

They could demand active restoration of diplomacy instead of the Conde Bolton shuffle.

With this Foley bit, Iraq, the Middle East inferno and preceding events of the last six years, I strongly believe there is a ‘preponderance of ignorance’ relative to the Republican Party, on which the Democrats will be able to convict.

PeteCO @ 158

Cujo359 @ 144

Naive? You have no idea what’s going on out there, now do you?

Osama, JFK, Marilyn, Elvis, and Jackie O. were all doing a tour of the Bermuda Triangle when Osama was abducted by Trilateralist shock troops riding black helicopters. The others were going to object, but the TSTs explained that if they wanted the world to know about the experiments they were conducting trying to splice Bigfoot’s DNA into the Amazing Bat Child then they should just write a letter to the New York Times. Needless to say, that put a stop to that particular conversation.

So, the TSTs took OBL to Bulgaria. I’m told they didn’t even have to refuel thanks to the amazing time-space distortions that exist in the Triangle if you know where to look for them. He’s there just in case the Republicans really, really need him. After all, there’s just no telling when an election might happen.

That was intended as joking-but-wouldn’t-be-surprised-if-it-were-true-I-wouldn’t-put-anything-past-these-crooks.

Just to er…clarify.

OK, kinda figured. I suppose I wouldn’t put it past them either, given the circumstances. I just don’t think it’s possible. They’ve blurted out so many things the instant they could in order to brag about it, it just seems so improbable on that basis alone.

I’ve just gotten so much of that kind of thing from various conspiracy theorists that I this stuff just rolled off my fingertips. It’s their basic MO – explain that you’re just naive, foolish, stupid, or unimaginative if you don’t buy their crazy-ass stories.

I wanted to let the fire pups know that Lieberman’s campaign has gone so f*cking negative – it’s infuriating.

The Lieber cry babies ran to C-Span about the clip of Lieberman in Ned’s new commercial. C-Span has asked the Lamont campaign to cease and desist. Lieberman’s campaign made sure that the Hartford Courant got the scoop (the Courant has been taking dictation from the Lieberman campaign since Labor Day).

They have a vile post on the Lieberman web site – in their Full Lamonty section:
———————-

Lamont Hypocrisy Watch: Something Doesn’t ‘Ad’ Up

Ned Lamont’s latest television commercial is like a high school math problem that just doesn’t ad up. If Ned is really a “teacher” as he claims to be, then he should be the first to know bad math when he sees it.

As it turns out, Ned is the one who needs a lesson—because negativity multiplied by a million does not equal victory. And no matter how many millions of his own money Ned dumps into trying to distort Lieberman’s proven record of results for Connecticut, the end result will always be zero—because voters are embracing Joe’s message of unity and purpose, and rejecting Ned Lamont’s angry, negative, say-one-thing-do-another kind of politics.

So, what’s the sum of DailyKos copyright infringement one-issue campaigning?

Is it a Ned Lamont commercial that…

(a) uses the window-dressing of cheering supporters from primary night to distract from the fact that the bulk of Ned Lamont’s support continues to come from his single-issue, anti-war base?
(b) makes clear Ned doesn’t care about complying with copyright infringement laws? CSPAN is moving ahead with an order to cease and desist against the ad because it illegally uses the network’s footage. Shouldn’t Ned the Cable Guy know better?

(c) continues to offer no new ideas, only partisan and misleading attacks about Joe Lieberman’s progressive credentials? Joe Lieberman has and will continue to criticize the Bush administration on many of the most critical issues facing America – including the war in Iraq and homeland security. The fact is, Lieberman has been fighting for core Democratic values his entire life, and will continue to caucus with the Democrats if he wins re-election.

Answer: ALL OF THE ABOVE.

So what does this all ‘ad” up to? Yet again, Ned Lamont shows voters that he cares more about partisan political attacks than getting things done and offering new ideas for Connecticut. It’s further evidence that Ned just isn’t ready to be a U.S. Senator.

———————

Lieberman is a Rove clone and he’s trying to buy back his seat as Senator with Republican and Enron/Pharma lobbyists.

Steve @ 154

So much for “the Dems held the info conspiracy”
Brian Ross (ABC) says as far a he knows all of his sources are Repubs.

FBI Knew in July About Foley E-Mails to Teen.

The FBI acknowledged yesterday that it did not begin an investigation in late July after receiving copies of e-mails sent in 2005 by then-Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) to a Louisiana teenager — messages that troubled the boy’s parents.

snip

Officials from the liberal-leaning group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington said yesterday that they received copies of the Louisiana e-mails on July 21 and turned them over to the FBI the same day. Melanie Sloan, the group’s executive director, said she spoke with a special agent in the Washington field office, and she questioned yesterday why the FBI did not investigate Foley weeks ago.

An FBI official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing, said the field office concluded that the e-mails “did not rise to the level of criminal activity.” The bureau announced Sunday that it would begin a preliminary investigation into Foley’s more explicit electronic exchanges with teenagers.

snip

http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00333.html

EPU and OKK,

Actually, Sen. Frist’s proposal for Afghanistan would be a plausible approach for extricating ourselves from Iraq: comprehensive political negotiations accompanied by an orderly military withdrawl. Interesting that he floats a political solution where it involves bargaining with the Taliban, hosts of OBL, instead of Iraq, where it could extricate us from a foolish debacle.

Is it just me or is irony dead, it’s grave covered by a massive oak?

Steve @ 158

So much for “the Dems held the info conspiracy”
Brian Ross (ABC) says as far a he knows all of his sources are Repubs.

Still the possibility that some of them may have been closet Dems.

Okay, I hate Lieberman. But this post is real garbage.

ABC News is already slicing apart the claims made by Foley’s attorney today

Here’s a snippet

——–

He denied, however, that Foley ever offered to provide alcohol for teens at his Capitol Hill apartment.

But according to an instant message provided to ABC News by a former page, Foley did make such an offer to a former page in April, 2003.

Maf54: then we can have a few drinks
Maf54: lol
Teen: yes yes ;-)
Maf54: your not old enough to drink
Teen: shhh….
Maf54: ok
Teen: thats not what my ID says
Teen: lol
Maf54: ok
Teen: i probably shouldnt be telling you that huh
Maf54: we may need to drink at my house so we dont get busted

Melanie Sloan from CREW will be on Larry King tonight – just FYI.

dab from CT – Wow, no wonder I liked the ad so much. It really upset Lieberman.
When is the debate?

1) thank god for CREW, they ROCK

2) as I said earlier today – this entire boy sex creepshow is going to sink the repukes, utterly sink them, before it’s over – even nuking Iran will not help

3) Ned has nothing to worry about, see 2) above

Mad Dogs @ 34

CNN reporting now that Rep. Boehner is now saying Democrats are to blame for Predatorgate.

Ok let’s check where we are on the Repug Playbook:

1. Never fess up. – Check
2. Tell ‘em you can’t remember. – Check
3. Lie. – Check
4. Blame the victim. – Check
5. Blame the Democrats. – Check
6. Hideout in Rehab. – Check

OK, all bases covered now!

oh, you too forgot to blame Bill Clinton!

Cujo359 @
163

Evil Parallel Universe @ 5:25 pm (#146)

And I was getting pissed at those on the thread for perpetuating the myths that anything that is happening is part of some grand repug plan or that there is an October Surprise.

At discourse.net, it has been reported that– as far as ABC’s Brian Ross knows– the divulging of the perverted emails was made by a Republican.

Cozumel @
167

Evil Parallel Universe @ 161

Oklahoma kiddo @ 154

I have to agree with Fineman on KO. He says the Democrats MUST come up with an Iraq solution. I would carry that one step further. The Democrats NEED to come up with a plan for peace in the whole of the Middle East!

I’ve disagreed with this before, and will continue to do so. I say Dem’s can just sit on the sidelines and watch the repugs destroy themselves. Why muddy the waters – at this time – a month before the elections. It is enough for dems to say “we need a different” plan.

It would certainly be better for our country, Iraq and the rest of the world if the Dems did have some workable Iraq and/or mid eastplan, but that doesn’t mean they “must” have one to win in November.

Agree 100%

You can’t trust the idiots that got us in to this to get us out of this

Nuff said

What Coz said for sure. What I tell folks who want the Dem plan for the ME is that right now it is pretty clear that we don’t have good info on the situation. The first thing that has to happen is to find out what the CIA, the military, and all the other experts who know about this damn war have to say that Geo & Co haven’t wanted to hear. When we know where we really stand we’ll be in a better position to figure out what to do about it.

@172 There is also speculation that Justice Dept. atty dropped the dime on Foley in reaction to political pressure not to investigate the FBI emails.

Lieberman has 18 years in the Senate and no record to run on. What else can he do but throw mud?

Knuckledragger – If nearly everything repugs do and say is ironic, it is quite possible that irony has rusted a wee bit. I don’t think its dead though, I think there are a few pockets of wild irony left in the world.

Sharkbabe,

I think the moment may be more like an old National Lampoon cartoon (from back in the days when it was funny).

In said cartoon, a depression-era politician was on a whistle stop tour. Stepping to the back of the car to address the crowd, he whips out a giant rat and starts gnawing on its neck. Aides rush him back inside, telling the crowd that the candidate isn’t feeling well. All are freaking out except the youngest staffer, who asks, “Do you think they saw the rat?”

Who knows, perhaps l’affaire Foley is just that moment. Sometimes one has to hike downhill a bit to realize they have already passed the summit.

I’m trying to take deep breaths because I am practically homicidal.

And the Courant just spews whatever the Lieberman camp tells them to.

Right now Lieberman is bashing Ned about donating about $7 million to his own campaign – instead of taking millions from Republicans and Lobbyists – and the AP just repeats Lieberman talking points (FYI – Corzine spent $50 million and Mayor Bloomberg spent $70 million on their campaigns)

Lieberman is desperate to show that HE has the grassroots support, not Ned.

We MUST take this Rove clone down!!!!

Mr. Ross said he was surprised by how quickly the congressman’s office confirmed the authenticity of the e-mail messages, first when ABC reported them on Sept. 28, and again a day later when confronted with much more explicit exchanges.

Mr. Ross dismissed suggestions by some Republicans that the news was disseminated as part of a smear campaign against Mr. Foley.

“I hate to give up sources, but to the extent that I know the political parties of any of the people who helped us, it would be the same party,” Mr. Ross said, referring to Republicans.

source: discourse.net

paging TRex: Nancy Grace is all over it. She’s late to the party, but she’s rolling up her sleeves and getting to business in all its lurid glory.

I better stock up on eyewash.

It could be that I am being naive here. But is the argument then between advocates for an activist Democratic Party and one that is not activist? No matter who wins this fall and in 2008, it would be my contention we need a sound foreign policy plan. And for that matter a good domestic plan, to address the myriad of problems that have been neglected. Whether it’s wire-tapping, education, health care, jobs or whatever. Speaking for myself only here, I am weary of the constant claims that the Democrats haven’t stood for much these last six years. Perhaps I am wrong.

For me it’s not so much about “must have a plan to win”, it’s about ‘doing’ world peach and providing for the American people that matters.

OC@180..Clinton has been blamed. The don’t ask
;don’t tell policy, made the leadership afraid of being accused of gay-bashing.

knuckle – ah, the Natlamp fresh funny days. me and my (later limbaugh cultist) dad used to actually laff together over it.

x174 @ 181

Cujo359 @
163

Evil Parallel Universe @ 5:25 pm (#146)

And I was getting pissed at those on the thread for perpetuating the myths that anything that is happening is part of some grand repug plan or that there is an October Surprise.

At discourse.net, it has been reported that– as far as ABC’s Brian Ross knows– the divulging of the perverted emails was made by a Republican.

See! Those sneaky Dems are *still* holding onto them!

There are a lot of people in the world that think that the lack of engagement on the ME is the central problem that we face and one that this administration, the rethugs, many Dems and lots of the American people deliberately refuse to fix (much less engage in honestly.)

I, for one, am willing to watch the implosion of the rethug party and the fascist movement here, but I am not willing to sit this one out until it is finished– people are dying and so is our reputation and our chances for securing a safe and honest world.

x174 @ 5:48 pm (#177)

Cujo359 @
163

Evil Parallel Universe @ 5:25 pm (#146)

And I was getting pissed at those on the thread for perpetuating the myths that anything that is happening is part of some grand repug plan or that there is an October Surprise.

At discourse.net, it has been reported that– as far as ABC’s Brian Ross knows– the divulging of the perverted emails was made by a Republican.

That’s one of the funny things about that RNC whispering campaign – as if the Democrats were the only ones who were motivated to torpedo Foley and Hastert. I don’t know what’s going on here, but anyone who writes what this guy wrote at Taylor’s site yesterday is definitely missing a lot of the byplay in this little drama. And, of course, he deserves his starring role in Rhetorical Fallacy Theatre.

Sharkbabe,

MK Brown, Gahan Wilson, Sam Gross. Geniuses all. But I was especially fond of Rodriguez’s “The Aesop Brothers.”

x174 – So what. That makes it part of a grand plan orchestrated by genuis repugs? They’ve put out this pedophelia story to take the country’s eyes off of torture? Habeus Corpus?

As if the country wouldn’t pay more attention to a sex scandal involving repug congressmen and teenage boys. A genuis couldn’t have thought that up – they must be super genuises.

Look, believe in whatever conspiracies controlled by super human genuis puppet masters you want. I also have the right to believe those theories are ridiculous.

Sharkbabe @ 103

1. Those who leaked the story
2. Democrats
3. The victims
4. Gays
5. Clinton
6. The booze
7. An anonymous clergyman
8. The Internet
9. Lack of family values
10. Jane Fonda, Jimmy Hoffa, and all the other usual suspects

Sex education in the schools.

Don’t forget the feminists!

Don’t forget OBL, Saddam and all the other terrorists!

knuck – and they all grew up on Don Martin

EPU,

Remember, when helplessly cornered, the repiglican rhetorical device of last resort is “I know you are, but what am I?

Of course, PeeWee was much better at poking out his lower lip afterwards.

Now Scarborough is all over the Foley story. Logo says “Capitol Sex Scandal.” Shouldn’t there be a “Republican” in there somewhere?

As did I, Sharkbabe, with a generous side helping of Ed “Big Daddy” Roth.

jere 198 – and Hollywood! Fer jesus sake don’t ferget Hollywood!

Cozumel #167 –

Or as another great intellect once said:

No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.

– Albert Einstein

Damned intellectual elites anyhow, need to stick to their rocket science.

Eureka Springs, AR @ 168

Oklahoma kiddo @ 149

They could demand active restoration of diplomacy instead of the Conde Bolton shuffle.

the can federalize every person and corporation that took profit from;

1) the war in Iraq

2) the war in afghanistan (this includes democrats or people who had stock in defense industries that went up)

that would make the wealthy rue to provoke a war ever again

it would make it MORE profitable for peace then war

3) the tax giveaways of middle class money to the wealthy

any person or corporation getting more then the middle class from the tax giveaways gives it back with interest

if that means they have to declare bankruptcy, no bankruptcy protection

and the best for last

4) take away personhood for corporations

bing

Ed “Big Daddy” Roth.

reverent silence

Steve @ 144

I had to turn Countdown off after the Rush clip..”The Dems are upset because they weren’t part of the action.” yuk

I turned it off when I saw the outfit she is wearing.

Actually, Scarborough is asking a lot of the right questions. The Repugs kept the scandal to themselves, didn’t warn the Democrats: How can you make protecting children a partisan issue? And he has talked about the money.

angie @ 194

There are a lot of people in the world that think that the lack of engagement on the ME is the central problem that we face and one that this administration, the rethugs, many Dems and lots of the American people deliberately refuse to fix (much less engage in honestly.)

I, for one, am willing to watch the implosion of the rethug party and the fascist movement here, but I am not willing to sit this one out until it is finished– people are dying and so is our reputation and our chances for securing a safe and honest world.

Amen Angie!

Now I gotta go over to the next post and give Jordan some props!

Scarborough is freakin’ outraged beyond belief.

Scar says his wife is apolitical, and she’s shocked by this–so that means the Repugs are in trouble.

Evil Parallel Universe @
197

x174 – So what. That makes it part of a grand plan orchestrated by genuis repugs? They’ve put out this pedophelia story to take the country’s eyes off of torture? Habeus Corpus?

As if the country wouldn’t pay more attention to a sex scandal involving repug congressmen and teenage boys. A genuis couldn’t have thought that up – they must be super genuises.

Look, believe in whatever conspiracies controlled by super human genuis puppet masters you want. I also have the right to believe those theories are ridiculous.

i didn’t say that i believed in any particular conspiracy (except for the Universal Consiracy of Cosmic Irony, but that’s another story); no, i’m inclined to think that Brian Ross is just protecting his sources by having the trail lead back to the Rethugs; or, maybe, one of the “leakers” was just a page who had had enough, a Republican page, that is.

But i’m open to your POV if you want to buttress it.

the republicans came up with a pretty good defense

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds

I wish that, just for this one story, they would stop referring to congressmen as “members”…

Sharkbabe,
My yahoo moniker is strumbucket. If you’re interested, I sense the potential for a lenghty sidebar including “Crumb” among other ramblings, and don’t want to overimpose on fellow FDLers.

mem to me at 205..you hit the nail on the head once again.

neurophius @ 214

I wish that, just for this one story, they would stop referring to congressmen as “members”…

good point :>).

Cujo359 @ 167

PeteCO @ 158

Cujo359 @ 144

Naive? You have no idea what’s going on out there, now do you?

Osama, JFK, Marilyn, Elvis, and Jackie O. were all doing a tour of the Bermuda Triangle when Osama was abducted by Trilateralist shock troops riding black helicopters. The others were going to object, but the TSTs explained that if they wanted the world to know about the experiments they were conducting trying to splice Bigfoot’s DNA into the Amazing Bat Child then they should just write a letter to the New York Times. Needless to say, that put a stop to that particular conversation.

So, the TSTs took OBL to Bulgaria. I’m told they didn’t even have to refuel thanks to the amazing time-space distortions that exist in the Triangle if you know where to look for them. He’s there just in case the Republicans really, really need him. After all, there’s just no telling when an election might happen.

That was intended as joking-but-wouldn’t-be-surprised-if-it-were-true-I-wouldn’t-put-anything-past-these-crooks.

Just to er…clarify.

OK, kinda figured. I suppose I wouldn’t put it past them either, given the circumstances. I just don’t think it’s possible. They’ve blurted out so many things the instant they could in order to brag about it, it just seems so improbable on that basis alone.

I’ve just gotten so much of that kind of thing from various conspiracy theorists that I this stuff just rolled off my fingertips. It’s their basic MO – explain that you’re just naive, foolish, stupid, or unimaginative if you don’t buy their crazy-ass stories.

Having just read Frank Rich’s “The Greatest Story Ever Sold” which I highly recommend, I actually think they’re capable of pulling something like that. They sold Iraq, and I’m sure they think they could sell Oh-look-we-caught-OBL.

Assuming they’re smart enough to catch him in the first place.

. . . so if you have time to volunteer for Ned’s campaign and want to make some phone calls, please please do so. *wringing hands*
(Sorry it’s been a brutal night here in CT. Too many people think Joe is a good guy who’s “done a lot for the state” *still*.) Ho Joe has had 18 years to make up his own mythology, and we only have so much time to get the truth out there.

me to me @
213

the republicans came up with a pretty good defense

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds

How is Gerry Studds a “good defense” when Republican Dan Crane was censored for sex with a 16-year-old page in the same vote?

JupiterPluvius @ 220

me to me @
213

the republicans came up with a pretty good defense

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds

How is Gerry Studds a “good defense” when Republican Dan Crane was censored for sex with a 16-year-old page in the same vote?

Nothing like pointing to an incident 33 years in the past to scream “they did it too”.

-GSD

GSD @
221

JupiterPluvius @ 220

me to me @
213

the republicans came up with a pretty good defense

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds

How is Gerry Studds a “good defense” when Republican Dan Crane was censored for sex with a 16-year-old page in the same vote?

Nothing like pointing to an incident 33 years in the past to scream “they did it too”.

-GSD

But they did it too, too, in that example! That’s what’s so crazy about it. If they’re going back 20 years to find page-botherers, they find two, one of each flavor, censured on the same day–what do they gain from that?

That, and the fact that Gerry Studds’s name has been rendered as “Jerry Stubbs” and other approximations by the folks who dropped the talking-points fax in the puddle.

I also loved the people posting on the Blotter blog who were demanding that “Jerry Stubbs” resign. Yep, we’ll get right on that.

angie @
20

yes, OK Kiddo and so was D’Amato and so is Hill and others.

I want American candidates to stand up for America with sound and grounded arguments, not for a failed and lopsided policy that disenfranchises millions and makes enemies of moms and dads and children all ’round the globe.

very late to this thread…

but Angie -

what you said.

thanks.

As someone who urgently wants Pat Leahy to chair judiciary -for obvious reasons- I think you’re wrong to write a headline saying Lieberman’s responsible for Foley. I agree with the logic of your argument but the headline standing alone -and that’s how some people will experience – would be considered as unfair
in the conventional media and I think it’s equally unfair in FDL. Sorry.

mui @ 219

. . . so if you have time to volunteer for Ned’s campaign and want to make some phone calls, please please do so. *wringing hands*
(Sorry it’s been a brutal night here in CT. Too many people think Joe is a good guy who’s “done a lot for the state” *still*.) Ho Joe has had 18 years to make up his own mythology, and we only have so much time to get the truth out there.

I hear you! I canvass every Saturday.

GSD @ 6:37 pm (#221)

JupiterPluvius @ 220

me to me @
213

the republicans came up with a pretty good defense

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds

How is Gerry Studds a “good defense” when Republican Dan Crane was censored for sex with a 16-year-old page in the same vote?

Nothing like pointing to an incident 33 years in the past to scream “they did it too”.

-GSD

According to that Wikipedia article, the events in question occurred in 1983, twenty-three years ago.

Nevertheless, your point is valid. It was quite some time ago, and few in the current Congress were in office back then.

Cujo359 @
226

GSD @ 6:37 pm (#221)

JupiterPluvius @ 220

me to me @
213

the republicans came up with a pretty good defense

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds

How is Gerry Studds a “good defense” when Republican Dan Crane was censored for sex with a 16-year-old page in the same vote?

Nothing like pointing to an incident 33 years in the past to scream “they did it too”.

-GSD

According to that Wikipedia article, the events in question occurred in 1983, twenty-three years ago.

Nevertheless, your point is valid. It was quite some time ago, and few in the current Congress were in office back then.

The event came to light in 1983, the relationship was from 1973….check it out…

-GSD

Paging Jerry Stubbs.

-GSD

GSD @ 227

Cujo359 @
226

GSD @ 6:37 pm (#221)

JupiterPluvius @ 220

me to me @
213

the republicans came up with a pretty good defense

How is Gerry Studds a “good defense” when Republican Dan Crane was censored for sex with a 16-year-old page in the same vote?

Nothing like pointing to an incident 33 years in the past to scream “they did it too”.

-GSD

According to that Wikipedia article, the events in question occurred in 1983, twenty-three years ago.

Nevertheless, your point is valid. It was quite some time ago, and few in the current Congress were in office back then.

The event came to light in 1983, the relationship was from 1973….check it out…

-GSD

Nixon was Prez.

Fucktard Bill O’Reilly ID’d Mark Foley THREE TIMES as a Democrat. Well I’m glad he cleared that up. For awhile, I thought Foleygate was a Republican sex scandal.

Folks, this seemingly political gift is going to be turned against us and may end up helping the Repugs. The Democratic leadership has GOT to get off their collective ASSES and start hammering the press and Repubs for their own perversions and crimes. This is turning out to be like the damn torture bill – Dem leadership is putting 99% of party time and energy keeping “its powder dry”. Disgusting.

I get the distinct feeling that you are not kidding about O’Liely and his “mistakes”, Lady Bug.

gak.

torches and pitchforks at the ready!

Lady Bug @ 230

Fucktard Bill O’Reilly ID’d Mark Foley THREE TIMES as a Democrat. Well I’m glad he cleared that up. For awhile, I thought Foleygate was a Republican sex scandal.

Folks, this seemingly political gift is going to be turned against us and may end up helping the Repugs. The Democratic leadership has GOT to get off their collective ASSES and start hammering the press and Repubs for their own perversions and crimes. This is turning out to be like the damn torture bill – Dem leadership is putting 99% of party time and energy keeping “its powder dry”. Disgusting.

BillO is circling the drain and the public isn’t buying it ; )

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15117698/

Cheers!

Nopeangie @ 231

I get the distinct feeling that you are
not kidding about O’Liely and his “mistakes”, Lady Bug.

gak.

No, I am not. The number one recommended diary on Kos right now is about the fake “IDing” of Foley. Bradblog also has the screen shots showing the pernicious ID switcheroo.

We are ready for our close-up, Mr. Orwell.

TRex – Needs to be informed of this O’riling..

Thomas, Scalia and Roberts

Lady Bug @ 230

Fucktard Bill O’Reilly ID’d Mark Foley THREE TIMES as a Democrat. Well I’m glad he cleared that up. For awhile, I thought Foleygate was a Republican sex scandal.

Folks, this seemingly political gift is going to be turned against us

I really don’t think they can pretend that Foley is a Dem. He’s a Republican fundraising institution.

Bill has been exposed for the lying liar that he is.

I think the Dems are doing a good job of incorporating this scandal into the narrative of corruption, lack of responsibility, disception, incompetence and distructiveness of the Republican party. All politics is local.

jere @
198

Sharkbabe @ 103

1. Those who leaked the story
2. Democrats
3. The victims
4. Gays
5. Clinton
6. The booze
7. An anonymous clergyman
8. The Internet
9. Lack of family values
10. Jane Fonda, Jimmy Hoffa, and all the other usual suspects

Sex education in the schools.

Don’t forget the feminists!

Don’t forget OBL, Saddam and all the other terrorists!

Jeez, abortion and teaching evolution,, Liberal drive-by gay-bashing. It was on “Free Speech,” wasn’t it? (misspelling intentional) or was that about something else… anyway, not to be confused with FSTV. mmm Shannon Press. Ok, wrong thread. sorry.