
Know much about dancing bears? These poor creatures are held in captivity and all but starved to death. Their noses and palates are pierced clean through, then muzzles and chains are attached. And when their masters yank those chains? The bears dance, just to make the excruciating pain stop. Thankfully, this horrific cruelty has been outlawed in much of the world, as well it should be.
Something akin to this practice, however, is alive and well within Democratic circles, and it's one reason why funding on the left is so screwed up. The truth of the matter, which most of us have been too afraid to say publicly, is this: The monied, "center-left" elitists, who pretty much dominate Democratic funding, treat those of us working to build a successful, progressive media infrastructure, which can rival the right's message machine, as though we were their very own dancing bears.
"You want money?" Tug, tug! "Dance for us!" We dance, and then maybe they throw us a scrap of funding. Or not. Usually not. Instead of pouring big and long-term money into media and general operating support as the right has done, the left parcels out tiny bits here and there, and, boy, do we have to dance for what little we get.
It's a humiliating process, and for a very long time, it sucked the strength and vitality out of our movement. We have often been put in the position of having to belittle and backstab our own allies (in efforts to create progressive media and to reform corporate media), just to look better to the funders, so that we get the pathetic $20,000 grant for some specific project, instead of seeing that scrap go to some other group. Most of us on the left work for little or no money, while we watch our counterparts on the right get paid fat salaries and become celebrities after being groomed by wingnut mentors.
This is not news to anyone who tries to raise money from big foundations and donors on the left, particularly for media and infrastructure institutions. What does seem to be changing, however, is that we are finally articulating the neglect and abuse to each other, and going public. A number of important articles have come out in recent months and days, and perhaps the funders will finally wake up from their self-aggrandizing delusions. We have the ideas and urgency, and we're done being treated like dancing bears. The netroots, in particular, has been showing just how much can be built and done when we don't play according to their "center-left" games. Why should we let this go on for another day, let alone another ten years?
It's been just about that long since the National Committee on Responsive Philanthropy released their report, "Moving a Public Policy Agenda: The Strategic Philanthropy of Conservative Foundations." The 1997 study concluded that conservative foundations and their grantees had achieved a respectable and enviable level of effectiveness because of seven factors:
The foundations bring a clarity of vision and strong political intention to their grantmaking programs;
Conservative grantmaking has focused on building strong institutions by providing general operating support, rather than project-specific grants;
The foundations realized that the state, local, and neighborhood policy environments could not be ignored in favor of focusing solely on the federal level;
The foundations invested in institutions and projects geared toward the marketing of conservative policy ideas;
The foundations supported the development of conservative public intellectuals and policy.
The foundations supported a wide range of policy institutions, recognizing that a variety of strategies and approaches is needed to advance a policy agenda;
The foundations funded their grantees for the long term, in some cases for two decades or more.
In March of 2004, NCRP released another report, "Axis of Ideology: Conservative Foundations and Public Policy," which proved again how well funding on the right works.
This report provides insight into the foundations and nonprofit organizations that have played a critical role in helping the Republican Party to dominate state, local, and national politics. The success of these organizations is not something that NCRP or its members would necessarily celebrate. But the manner in which foundations on the right support, fund, and relate to their grantees is certainly to be admired. With resources that pale in comparison to centrist and liberal foundations, conservative funders have supported public policies that now impact the entire nation. Perhaps that is why foundations on the right tend to spend very little on evaluation—they can easily see their impact in the newspaper, on TV, in America's classrooms and in the courts.
Later in 2004, and particularly after the crushing Democratic defeat in the 2004 elections, much lip service was paid to the idea that funding on the left had to get more strategic and media-focused. That's when Rob Stein started traveling the country showing his "Conservative Message Machine's Money Matrix" PowerPoint presentation to funders and activists. I saw it twice while I worked at Chelsea Green Publishing, as we almost did a book with Stein on the heels of George Lakoff's Don't Think of an Elephant, which also touched on these issues of right-wing funding and media.
It was around this time that the Democracy Alliance was being formed. There have been a number of recent articles about the Democracy Alliance, and about the funding situation on the left. Cursor, Inc. is compiling quite a library of articles. If you haven't read Christopher Hayes piece, The New Funding Heresies, in In These Times, it's well worth your time. And last week, Ari Berman at The Nation provided us with the results of his five-month investigation into what the secretive Democracy Alliance has been up to in Big $$ for Progressive Politics:
Almost two years along, the Alliance's 100 donors have distributed more than $50 million to center-left organizations and activists–a lot of money, yet still largely symbolic given the deep pockets of its members. Even as the donors pour millions into a new political infrastructure, however, problems have emerged that mirror many of the problems of the Democratic Party today and the progressive movement in general.
The first is determining what, exactly, the group stands for and wants to accomplish. Unlike the money guys who underwrote the right, members of the Alliance seem to lack strong ideological conviction about what the future ought to look like. And they do not have the militant perspective of outsiders eager to disrupt and overrun the party establishment. The right-wingers developed a core set of principles and stuck to them with an insurgent sense of persistence and aggressiveness. The wealthy liberals, in contrast, are still debating among themselves how to spend their money. Do Alliance members just want to be in the club or do they intend to change it? Do they want to stick with the party's stars–Bill and Hillary Clinton and their cadre of influential aides, who are preaching "moderation"–or are they ready to listen to new voices? Are they really committed, and prepared, to fund long-haul change?
To its credit, the Alliance has largely ignored the 2006 elections in favor of developing a five-to-ten-year strategy. But the much bigger presidential election season just around the corner will test the donors' long-term resolve. When the Alliance took an informal survey, the greatest fear among partners was that if a Democrat captured the presidency the organization wouldn't survive. Rob Johnson, an early board member, says the tension in the Alliance is between "party subsidizers" and "climate changers"–those who want to fund organizations that work toward more effectively electing candidates versus those who aspire to change the fundamental nature of political debate with a stronger set of governing principles.
A secondary problem is the struggle these well-meaning wealthy Democrats have had in getting their own house in order. Since its inception, the Alliance has been unabashedly elitist, while also poorly run. The criteria for choosing winners have been maddeningly opaque and the grants themselves contradictory. Far from speeding up the funding of progressive organizations, the Alliance has slowed certain things down. To stabilize the organization internally after almost a year of early stumbles, the partners chose as its managing director Judy Wade, a member of the elite firm McKinsey & Company, consultants to multinational corporations. The appointment perhaps reflected the group's uncertainty about its goals as well as the economic proclivities of its members. Wade normalized the Alliance operationally but further blurred its identity, increasing the likelihood that it will uphold the economic and political status quo.
"There's a cautious pathway that traditional Democrats take, and it's been hard to break that," says Johnson. If partners propose to fund the liberal Campaign for America's Future, they must also support its archrival, the DLC's Progressive Policy Institute (neither has received funding so far). A newly elected board led by members of the Alliance's progressive wing could make the group more adventurous. But an emphasis on collegiality indicates that risk aversion may well be the order of the day.
It's too soon to draw any conclusions about the Alliance. But sixty interviews conducted over the past five months suggest that it's not too early to worry that what began as a bold initiative may end up with as little to show as the earnest but largely ineffective philanthropy it was meant to supplant–which did good but didn't alter power. Indeed, the Alliance could bolster a timid Democratic Party establishment instead of transforming it. Of all the lessons from the right, the Alliance has forgotten arguably the most important: It takes both money and conviction to achieve victory. "It doesn't make sense to develop a strategy without a vision," says James Piereson, longtime executive director of the John M. Olin Foundation, which was one of the key half-dozen funders on the right. "It's a mistaken analogy that conservatives succeeded because of our tactics. I always thought conservatives were successful because of the ideas we were trying to sell."
Readers here at the Lake know that my BIGGEST frustration with the "center-left" elitists who dominate the ranks of the Democracy Alliance is exactly this point: They don't seem to know what Democrats and progressives stand for, and then they blame those of who do and are making things happen. We're the "crazy" ones because we actually speak up and want to fight back boldly against the radical right's power grab in this country?
I learned last week that there were actually two Democracy Alliance members at that dinner I told you about here, but apparently Venture Capital Man does not like people to know that he's on the Democracy Alliance members list. This gets to the heart of the other thing that really pisses me off about the Democracy Alliance: the secrecy. Why not be transparent, open to new ideas, new voices? Newsflash: You need new voices and new ideas. We all need to talk and have an open debate. Because what you've been funding is not getting the whole job done. We don't have time to waste. We must try new ideas, because we need new results. Remember what Benjamin Franklin said? "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." So, just who are the crazy ones in our little funding scenario?
What about pouring some serious, long-term investment into what the netroots are doing? We can figure out exactly how to do that, if you would just stop saying that we are "taking Democrats down the path to unelectability." I think Democrats were on the unelectable path long before blogs gained any prominence. You need to recognize that while you were looking the other way, the strong infrastructure we need has started to take shape. No thanks to you, we're raising money for candidates, organizing, disseminating ideas, growing the movement and standing up effectively to the wingnuts.
How about a little somethin', you know, for the effort?
Chris Bowers at MyDD, lays it out quite nicely for you today in The Netroots and the Progressive Movement Are the Difference:
Let's look at candidate recruitment and party infrastructure. Democrats are running in more districts this year than they have run in a long, long time. While the Democratic leadership, including Rahm Emmanuel, deserves some credit for this, it didn't happen until the netroots started banging the drums of the fifty-state strategy in 2004. Howard Dean and the netroots demanded that we run everywhere, and then we went about making that plan a reality. We have filled thousands of vacant committee seats and precinct captainships the Democratic Party, paid for party organizers in all fifty states (the DNC is primarily bought and paid for by the netroots and the progressive grassroots), and sounded the call to activists around the nation that we could and should compete everywhere with Paul Hackett's narrow loss in OH-02. The netroots and the progressive movement are the primary driving forces behind the fifty-state strategy. They are why we have candidates, organizers, and party officials in more places than at any time in recent memory. This strategy has had, and will continue to have, a significantly positive impact on the outcome of the 2006 elections.
And why is the press coverage for Republican so much worse these days? The obvious answer when it comes to [disgraced Republican Congressman Mark] Foley is that sex is involved, and sex sells. However, the longer-term answer over the past two years is once again the netroots and the progressive movement. New organizations such as CREW and Media Matters are putting more pressure on the media to cover Republican scandals accurately than ever in the past. The netroots are keeping stories alive, such as the Downing Street Memo, and eventually helping to push them into the mainstream. New progressive media is now directly reaching millions more people every day than it did in the recent past. This is not even to mention these new progressive medias, especially the blogosphere, are putting serious pressure on the established media every day on every issue on every news story. This simply was not around before 2004.
The national media is already spinning that if Democrats win in 2006, it will be in spite of the netroots and the progressive movement, and if they lose it will be because of the progressive movement. However, the truth is that almost every major improvement Democrats have made in 2006 compared to previous election cycles was primarily driven by the netroots and the progressive movement. Fundraising, infrastructure, fifty-state strategy, media–almost all Democratic improvements in those areas were driven by the netroots in particular, and the progressive movement as a whole. We are the primary difference between 2006 and the past five election cycles (click here to see just how large that difference is right now). Even when it comes to Republican implosions, the progressive movement played a large role in making sure that those implosions were on display within the establishment media for the entire country to see.
The media narrative should not be that Democrats have a chance to win in spite of the netroots and the progressive movement. An honest appreciation of the situation reveals that most, if not all, of the significant improvements Democrats have made from 2004 to 2006 were generated primarily within the netroots and the progressive movement. If Democrats win in 2006, it will be because of the netroots and the progressive movement, not in spite of it.
So, let's talk. The netroots and the blogs are not the enemy. Let's step out of secret boardrooms and away from our laptops and talk to each other. Foundations and big Dem funders: Stop treating us those of us who work on media efforts (new and traditional) like dancing bears. Listen to our ideas. Look at what's been accomplished on the blogs with no investment from you so far. Let's think about how much more we could be doing if we all worked together. I know there are good funders out there, thinking of new and better ways to fund the progressive infrastructure. I know that the Democracy Alliance and others are funding some good work, like at Media Matters and Center for American Progress. But there is so much more to be done and supported in various ways. And the time has come to lose the secrecy, to open up the process. As Christopher Hayes wrote in June:
In progressive circles, it seems the first rule of fundraising is: Don’t talk about fundraising. Call up someone at a major foundation or a development director and their first response is to go off the record. “There’s a deafening silence within the movement around the role of money in movement building,” says Daniel Faber, who teaches sociology at Boston’s Northeastern University and edited Foundations for Social Change: Critical Perspectives on Philanthropy and Popular Movements. “It’s very difficult to penetrate that veil of secrecy.”
It makes sense. Progressive activists, organizers and leaders are rarely in a position to openly criticize their funders. (That includes In These Times—here’s hoping that the foundation that pays my salary admires our bracing honesty.) And funders find themselves so besieged by requests for money (not to mention right-wing invective, as Soros can tell you), there’s a tendency to fly beneath the radar. But if the progressive movement is going to build an infrastructure to rival the right, it has to examine and undo the numerous dysfunctions that stem from the way it is currently funded. In order to do that, it must initiate a public debate, no matter how awkward such a discussion might be. It might seem churlish to criticize foundations and donors that are giving away hundreds of millions of dollars, but it’s the people writing the checks that tend to make the rules and nearly everyone now agrees those rules need to change.
Let's change the rules…together, this time. Stop yanking our chains.
Related posts:
- UStream of Jane’s Panel: Tying the Progressive Movement to Congress for Policymaking
- Dancing with Jay and Daisy
- Rahm’s Whipping on the Afghanistan War Supplemental — Will You?
- FDL Book Salon Welcomes Matthew Kerbel, Netroots: Online Progressives and the Transformation of American Politics
- Hoyer “Uncertain About Supplemental’s Passage” — Pushed till Wednesday?





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Moi zero! And BEARS!
Jen Nix — excellent. I don’t wanna be anyone’s bear!
(long pause while everyone reads Jen’s excellent and substantial article)
immanentize @ 4
I’m guessing you don’t do an Elvis impersonation?
36 confess to plot for bombing with bacteriological weapons to achieve mass annihilation of civilians
Thirty-six American airmen.
During the Korean War, when Korea used tactics now specifically endorsed, approved and solicited by Congress.
Interesting piece, in a sad, dancing bears kind of way.
think progress has the story
other pages are coming forward
this might be the october surprise
seed the democrats with one, then hit us with the others
I hope I’m wrong
Great link, Mary.
I don’t do Elvis, but I like to listen!
In a nutshell, the Democracy Alliance needs to lead, follow (the netroots), or get the hell out of the way (just leave us your checkbook, dammit!).
By the way everyone needs for this Foley thing to become a bipartisan problem.
Remember, however, is that the Republican leadership failed to act (regardless who is implicated).
As for the cash machine grass roots — It was always easier to keep the activists enthralled when they didn’t talk to eachother.
Hello, my un-thralled friends!
Condi, the Republican Dancing Bear Rice, tells us today that she “offered” to resign in 2004. I think I understand why Condi dances. But what to make of the DLC dancing bear, front runner for the Democratic presidential nomination for 2008? Why this person dances, escapes me. She doesn’t have to. We are waiting for her to ‘cut-loose’.
EPU’d..OT..HuffPo..NYT..State Dept confirms that Rice met with Tenet on July 10. Who threw Rice under the bus? Or the wheels have fallen off the lie coordinator. (This is the meeting she doesn’t remember.)
Jennifer: thanks for all you do, but it’s time to give up on the rich people. While many have their hearts in the right place, the problem is that they are basically comfortable living in the Republican world. They may want change on their pet issues, and many can be quite generous, and many have a strong sense of noblesse oblige, but overall they don’t really mind that much that life for the top 0.2% is so great in the US under Republican rule. They dissent from Republicans on some issues, and some may have very strong reasons for doing so (being openly gay; being a member of a racial minority, etc). But they will continue to make you dance.
We need new funding mechanisms, mechanisms that middle-income folks can participate directly in. It’s tricky to do this right. There are orgs like Working Assets, but I notice that Working Assets was silent during the debate over the (horrendous) bankruptcy bill, and I suspect that they didn’t want to offend their business partner, MBNA, that runs the Working Assets credit card for them.
The venture capital guys do have a point, when they want to make sure that money is spent effectively. But what seems to be missed is that “effectively” can’t be defined without agreement on what the goal is.
We need a no-bullshit, well-funded organization that will push, hard, for Democratic values. On that score, FDL’s book club might want to look at Gary Hart’s latest, “The Courage of Our Convictions”, which demonstrates the consistency and strength of the values pushed by FDR, Truman, Kennedy, and LBJ: we stand for the best of what they stood for, even as we acknowledge that we made mistakes.
Steve @ 12
Which backs up the contention that she blew it off…
BADA BING!
It is OT — but on Rice, what is this weird thing about Ben Veniste actually knowing about this meeting but not sharing it with the rest of the Commission — was he sworn to secrecy or is compromised also?
Heaven help us all.
Cozumel@12 The shit is hitting the fan on the blogs about this. The speculation is Cheney and Rumsfeld threw her under the bus while she is out of the country. They are eating their own!!! Who would have thunk it?
Joe Buck @ 13
I disagree that it’s time to give up on the rich people. I think they’ve been drinking their own kool-aid for too long, but there are a number of signs that a power-shift is occurring. We need the big funders on the left to understand this, just as the big funders on the right did. We need everything working together in some degree of concert. They just need to realize that we have every right to sit at the table and tell them what needs to be funded, rather than for them to make decrees and yank chains. I am actually very heartened by all that is being written and discussed on this topic…finally!
Steve @ 16
I believe it — because Rice and her clique were the lead behind-the-sceners for the most recent “dump Rummy” whispers.
OK, I am a shoestring progressive, and (disclosure) I’m not even a Democrat. I think the netrootz is the new animal. To make the netrootz work like the old parties is going the wrong way, like making computers act like typewriters, or computer games that imitate pen-and-paper games.
No matter who dances, the one who pays the piper calls the tune. I’d rather play my own pipes for myself and my friends to dance to. Running the country is too important to be left to rich people or professionals.
sort of on topic. KQED-FM, the “mainstream” SF public radio station, had an intertview with Rahm Emmanuel this morning. You can listen to him hawk his new book here (no transcript that I’m aware of).
He pooh-poohed his beef with Howard Dean (”our staffs talk to each other, but we don’t”). Alas, it was a pre-recorded hour, so no chance for listeners to call him on some of his BS.
Jen Nix, Joe Buck
Not to be tired about this, but the question is not so much rich donors having power or the roots donors having power. The true small “d” democratic problem is that money simply has too much power regardless of the source. Some radical reforms are called for
but, sadly, unlikely without radical criminality as a single moment catalyst to change the conversation about representative democracy in america
OT..And there is the small story of the e-mail showing that Abramoff knew of the coming Iraq war, a year before it occurred. The Gods punish Hubris!
HotFlash @ 19
To be truly effective, we need diverse funding. And for the netroots to get to the next level of development–where they can pay those who work for them, for example–there needs to be greater investment and participation. Yes, we need to keep raising our own money, so that we can always speak truth to power, but we also need to find a way to be sustainable, without burning people out. And that’s where some investment–NOT HANDOUTS–could be very well-placed in the netroots.
HotFlash @ 19,
Running the country is too important to be left to rich people or professionals.
Many hands make light work….
Steve @ 22
Or perhaps the Chekovian: “God knows justice but waits.”
immanentize @ 15
Ben Veniste on Larry King last week said what was in the report had to be voted on. Hence, nothing about Bush or Cheney’s testimony, it was voted down.
The 9/11 Commission Report was a political report, just as Big Dog said.
Jennifer – these posts are so valuable! We’re outside even the discussion of money and funding and it’s time for that to change. Time for us to build our own funding – like with the plan for Marcy’s book – at the same time we keep the pressure on for these big funders to start to recognize the force of people powered politics.
Condi is so busted…
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10…..r=homepage
completely o/t –
emphasis mine
The Denny Hastert retirement watch has begun….The Moonie, err, The Washington Times is calling for his head.
-GSD
Jen Nix @ 23
I hate it when that happens. I typed up an answer and it got lost in the ether. What I think I said was something like this:
To take the netroots to the next level–like being able to pay those who work for them–there needs to be investment. We need a diverse array of funding in the infrastructure. I’m not saying that we shouldn’t keep raising our own money, so that we can always speak truth to power, but we’re at a point where we need some new investment–NOT HANDOUTS. We have to become sustainable, and people need to pay their rent. That’s what the right has figured out, and we have to find the ways to bring investment to the netroots that allows the movement to stay feisty and independent. We need more participation, but I believe we also need investment.
Siun @ 27
EXACTLY!
Thanks for that insight, Jennifer.
I look at a candidate as articulate as Steven Porter, who Howie had on Saturday, and wonder.
His opponent is terrible. How much money would it take to give Steven a shot? How much has been wasted by DCCC triangulation?
If we could just get them to look at the people.
Jen,
I can appreciate your frustrations. I think part of the problem is the general lack of long term thinking in just about every policy making institution in America. Corporate boards can’t see past the next quarterly report and political organizations can’t see past the next election.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 33
Once again: EXACTLY! It’s our job to show them the way. But we’ll do it as equal partners. Not dancing bears.
Coz:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/…..662785.htm
From Mary’s link at 6:23
‘The More Subtle Kind of Torment’
By Joseph Margulies
Monday, October 2, 2006; Page A19
I have a fairly long wishlist, but here are two highlights:
1) Media. The left needs a bigger megaphone. Right now what we mostly have are the blogs, AAR, and Keith Olbermann. I’m probably leaving some worthies out, but my basic point is that the Republicans have a much greater say in defining what most people believe to be reality.
2) Consultants. Until someone can slap some sense into the Democratic establishment, progressive candidates need that alternative funding system so that they don’t have to accept that we’ll-fund-your-campaign-if-you-hire-our-incompetent-consultants deal with the devil.
Jen Nix @ 31
“Will work/write for money” but I think I’m siding with Hotflash. I’ve always been an outsider and as such, found other ways in to the party. I don’t want to be beholden to any one person or Alliance for $$$. I think that’s just more of the same problem. What if – just throwing it out there – FDL charged $10 a month to be a Firedog. Are you telling me we all couldn’t afford that? And to know that that money goes to paying great writers and reporters like you, Jen? C’mon. I’d pay $20. Then we are beholden to no one and (hopefully) self-sustaining.
Maybe there’s a tiered system like the NYT does with Times Select so that you’re still free to read the blog but certain bloggers cost. I don’t know – I’m just trying to think outside the box.
Eli at 38 — good points!
If we could solve your number two the number one would likely follow.
Imagine that here’s our headline:
Within twelve hours of challenger John Laesch hosting a blog QA on firedoglake.com, Rep. Dennis Hastert has resigned as Speaker of the House of Representatives and from his US House seat which Laesch is seeking. Hastert, who is on his way to a Scientology-run weight treatment program, denies Leash’s appearance at firedoglake.com had anything to do with the resignations
We can always hope!
CNN reporting “the internet is reporting the Washingrton Times…..”
Jen Nix @ 35
NO! We’re (you’re) NOT equals – you’re better. You’re the leaders. Step into that role. Embrace it. They’ll follow. Don’t mean to get woo woo on you but THAT’S the attitude we need. If you build it they will come.
immanentize @ 40
You think so? I see them as completely separate issues. But it certainly would be nice if the Democrats had better ads, especially since they’re the only way they have of communicating past the corporate media filter to a mass audience.
I’d very much like to vote for Senator Clinton for president in 2008. Alas, I am hesitant. Can anyone provide a short answer, other than dislodging the Republicans, why I would, or should feel comfortable in supporting Clinton to be our next president?
An excellent post but I don’t share your optimism. I think if Democrats win in November, it will be the Establishment Democrats who claim victory and turn around and tell us to STFU until they need us in 2008. Basically, they don’t trust us and they certainly don’t understand us. The netroots is a process, not a fixed set of positions and that drives them crazy. A Hillary wants to triangulate on us once and then forget about us. They hate the notion that the netroots and the blogosphere are a conversation because while they may want to talk at us from time to time they certainly don’t want to talk with us. So if they do pay more attention to us, I think it will be through the continuing pressure we put on them and not because they want to begin a productive dialogue with us.
me to me @ 7
What are you talking about?
imman,
New topic. Hastert is SCREWED!
Bwahahahaha
So many scandals, so little time ; )
Oklahoma kiddo @
44
short answer – don’t
shorter answer – no
immanentize @ 18
State has been less filled with the kool aid drinkers from the start and they had to watch Powell get kicked around everywhichway while Rumsfeld cratered their nationbuilding efforts.
It would be nice to think that not everyone is mesmerized by a pair of hookerboots or deeply touched by her heartfelt concern over the status of coffee drinking under the Hussein regime.
Hugh @ 45
And conversely, if they lose, they’ll blame us for scaring away Middle America. ABC: Always Be Capitulating.
Eli @ 43
My point is that the current Dem consultant meme is to flatter media and try to get their message repeated by sincing it with current media prejudices. Effective consultants would (dare I say) create/present their candidate’s own compelling reality which the media would have to report favorably.
Hi Jen -
Thanks for your incisive article! I so appreciate – and agree with – your perspective.
“And funders find themselves so besieged by requests for money (not to mention right-wing invective, as Soros can tell you), there’s a tendency to fly beneath the radar.”
This behavior is so bizarre.
“We will pay you to help change society.
Don’t let anyone see you doing it – we’ll pull the bucks.
Good luck – we expect quarterly reports with publicly verifiable assessments of your positive results.”
thanks for calling attention to this diversive charade….
qui bono?
dab from CT @ 46
That some of the “other pages” out there will turn out to have stories about pervy Democrats, thus utterly neutralizing the story, and even making it work to the Republicans’ advantage, by throwing everything the Democrats said back in their faces as blatant hypocrisy.
I’m hoping it won’t happen, but really all it takes is one.
Ed*ard Teller @ 48
very succinct, sir
Eery;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..&eurl=
Impeachment Happens @ 39
I appreciate the outside-the-box thinking, and I do think you have some good points and ideas. I just also think that we have a chance at this juncture to make the point to big funders and investment types that what we’re building is new and important and worthy of partnership funding/investment. Not all investment is bad investment, and a lot of good things happen when the right investors hook up with the right ideas and passion people. While we’re thinking outside the box, we could also open our eyes to some positives that could come from having investment partners. I mean, it’s hard enough just raising money for Marcy’s book at the moment, so we clearly need more participation or investment of some kind–and probably we need both.
Jen,
Thanks for the post.
My view is, there are a few rich folks who think progressively, but life is too short to sort them out. Either they get onboard, heart, soul and checkbook (and I’ll welcome them with open arms), or I don’t need them. The money is tantalizing, but the Hamlet act and the strings attached are too costly.
Wiser to build a long term strategy that keeps the course netroots have charted. Look at where FDL was 18 months ago. Look now. Look 18 months from now.
In a few years, netroots will be big enough to not go hat in hand to the moneybags.
Why wait ’til then for them to kiss our ass? They can kiss my ass now, if they don’t support progressive values!
Frist says Afghan is unwinnable and wants to partner with the Taliban
http://noquarter.typepad.com/m……html#more
WTF????????
immanentize @ 51
I hope so; it’s hard to imagine it, simply because the Democrats employ so few effective consultants.
Lamont has certainly managed to get pretty good press, though.
hookerboots.
Wasn’t that an LA proto-slash band? Or was it the United State’s Secretary of State?
Hold on for a second. As much as we want to say that we’re going to self fund (and take the high road, and not be sell outs), you need to think about the amount of cash it takes to be on the air in a major campaign.
Republicans have *almost* (at least I hope that’s as far as they’ve gotten) made our country a one party system with their money. And though cynical use of same funds: character assassination, fear mongering, exploiting bigotry, etc.
We can wish money didn’t matter, and it wouldn’t, if all campaigns were publicly financed. But that isn’t going to happen unless there is a progressive domination of the political arena, which isn’t going to happen unless….
Jen, per everyone else, really enjoy your always very well written posts.
OT, I do not get Wall Street’s complicity/silence wrt Bush. Our trade imbalance, FOREIGN OIL, is just one example that is killing our competitiveness. Bush’s inverse Teddy Roosevelt, SPEAK LOUDLY and carry a small stick
destroy our military in an occupation where they are reduced to targetscrushes US corporations ability to penetrate foreign markets.Oklahoma kiddo @ 44
No.
Well, I suppose. I’ve seen what the conservative thinktanks have been able to do in the US since 1960-something, and what they have been able to do here (Canada) in a short time with a minority government, and it can certainly be called ‘truly effective’. But the Neocon vision is what made those tools — the thinktanks and the pundits and the pre-digested laws ready to deliver to legislators — which are ideally suited to an authoritarian organization with a very narrow goal.
It’s hard to say what I feel here. I do not think that *that type* of infrastructure is appropriate for Dems and progressives. Like torture, it’s what *they* do, and it doesn’t feel honest. We are not dancing bears, we do not have spikes through our palates or chains on our muzzles, and I for one won’t volunteer to get pierced. I think there should be less money in politics, not more. I am sick of the ‘call or write your congresscritter’ about ABC or net neutrality or torture when it’s a waste of time, because *they* are the ones with the spikes in their muzzles, and they dance and dance for their masters — until they get thrown under the bus.
Although I am pretty sure that if netsrootz activity starts looking successful, rich people will want to co-opt it.
Clearly, this is not a conversatjion for me. Over and out for the night, guys.
Imman @ 60 – yes. And yes.
hmmm – has he talked with the Joint Chiefs about this? they may be interested…..
oh…yeah…did he figure this out after he sheperded the DOD budget through the House, or before?
[lurking goopers - please ignore “sheperded”. i’d like to continue enjoying my sheep cheese unpasteurized.]
Eli at 53 – only if Pelosi et al covered up – which we know they didn’t do.
If this was only about Foley, he would be forced to resign, everyone would express outrage, etc. However, it becomes a crisis because the leadership covered it up – and are still lying about it.
If some Dem was guilty of predatory behavior, I don’t see anyone letting them get away with it for 5 years.
scarecrow @ 63
I can really only support Hillary in the general election. I don’t want her to be the nominee. I don’t like calculating centrists as a matter of principle, and the fact that they tend to lose makes them even worse.
Jen Nix @ 30
Hi Jen, you put it in the middle of my remark due to a blockquote problem. I dug it out and responded at 63
Eli @ 50
Think how this will be interpreted if Dems take back the House, but Lamont loses, and Lieberman switches.
diogenes @ 57
I believe that the wise, long-term strategy involves a diverse funding base, with people participation and good investment. Most of the blogs have been at a readership plateau for the past six months or more, and to grow we need a strategy to reach out more and to build a sustainable model. Quite frankly, unless you’re Markos, your blog is still struggling. The models being built by the blogs are tremendous and so important, but that does not mean that some good investment couldn’t more quickly get them to a scale to ensure all the important work keeps getting done, and that we have the power to fight on all the many front on which we need to be fighting.
Re: Senator Clinton for president in 2008.
Actually I was looking more for short answers as to reasons why, and/or why not I should vote for Clinton. Sort of a credit-debit thing.
One nice thing about the NYT story, it revisits our old friend John Ashcroft. Everytime I hear Gonzales, I feel a little wistful about Ashcroft.
Uh, yeah.
So sweet, when a former AG shows up to help the little lady take out the trash.
Ed*ard Teller @ 48
Jen Nix @ 56
Yes, of course go after both (I guess) but…why go to the hardware store for milk? If we can be self-sustaining and you guys can do what you do best (like what you did with Lamont) I can’t imagine that these people won’t come hat and dollars in hand. Then YOU get to set the rules. YOU’RE in control. YOU have the power. We have it now, we just can’t pay our rent. But we need to be smarter about it and think in unconventional ways. But that’s what we do in our sleep. That’s who we are. That’s why we’re here.
OT Mary@49 possible, however, it was the White House records that were reviewed and the results released by State. To me, if this is so, it shows high level coordination of Rice’s vector with the bus. (OOOT..All this Repub. bad news is worrisome, considering the fact that Bush is a Psychopath and thinks he is doing God’s will)
On topic.. as a grass roots person, I would like more direction on where to give my small amounts of money. Progressives hate to ask for money, Jane almost never does, does FDL need money? For politics, I use Howie Klein and DWT for advice on which folks to support.
Jen @ 56,
Perhaps going to a George Soros type and saying we get the material together and you pay for publishing, the money generated goes into the next book after overhead is taken out, writers got to eat too. Plus we actively seek small donations to kick-in for the work so control is not by one person.
Karl yer fucked at last – once upon a time you dressed so fine, etc
how does it feel
Why Not Send Hastert A Quick FAX?
Here is the text of a FAX I just sent to Hastert. His voicemail box is full (I wonder why..) but you can still send faxes. Please feel free to plagiarize this and send your own. It really will help:
Hastert’s FAX Numbers:
D.C.: 202-225-0697
IL: 630-406-1808
815-288-0743
Just to clarify – I have nothing against hookerboots except my own bad ankles. Everyone with better ankles than I should own a pair.
dab from CT @ 67
I tend to agree, but if they can turn up a page who claims to have been molested by a Dem, you can guarantee that the right wing will scream that Pelosi knew all about it.
And even if there’s no evidence that she did, being able to say “The Democrats did it too!” is the Republicans’ ultimate lifeline. They’ve been trying to use Clinton and Studds, but they know it’s just not the same (or particularly current).
Sharkbabe @ 77
Fucked at last, fucked at last, thank gawd almighty, fucked at last
LOL Cheers! ; )
Oklahoma kiddo @
11
Rice’s “offer to resign” is standard ritual for all cabinet level officers when a president is “re-elected” (wink-wink). It is a form of etiquette which benefits both the (prospective) resignee and the president because neither needs to be embarrassed by any raison d’etre for the departure. Usually, it’s “I want to spend more time with my family,” or in Condi’s case, “my piano” (which she plays amateurishly …badly in fact).
It means nothing in the real world, and Condi is selling you the Brooklyn Bridge when she says that.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 44
Alrighty, I’ll take a shot at this. Oilfieldguy has a candidate, Dr. David Hunter, for OK-05 he’d really like help with. I think that is a much better focus of energy than worrying about who the Democratic nominee in 2008 is going to be.
scarecrow @ 70
If the Dems take the House, I would like to see a sophisticated breakdown of relative performance by Blue America-type candidates vs. establishment, DLC/DCCC candidates, including allowances for relative blueness/redness of district.
baghdadjoe @ 78
Who becomes speaker if he resigns?
prediction: If Conde falls Bolton will be high on the short list to replace her, oh, or Kissinger.
I was in the greeting card biz for a while. We were small and needed to find a way to compete with the big guys. We couldn’t buy our envelopes in the amounts that an American Greetings or Hallmark could so they ended up costing us $.03 a piece. I got the other small greeting card companies to join forces, calling ourselves the Cardtel, and we were able to buy in bulk like the big guys bringing our envelope (and other costs) waaaaaay down.
What if FDL and some of the other blogs joined forces and became like a network (kinda like HBO). Subscription only. But for your $10 a month or whatever you got to pick 10 of your favorite blogs.
I’m just spritzing here but still…we’ve got to explore all possibilities, right?
just back from my Drudge de-lousing . . .
Condi may be busted – but apparently so is the 9/11 Ommission
this sooo underscores one of the main premises of Press For Truth – there are glaring holes in their narrative AND there are certain things they simply had no appetite for going after – sounds like this is a case of the former
I continue to urge everyone to spend the hour and twenty minutes watching this film when time allows -
http://www.mediachannel.org/PressForTruth2.htm
Along with their exposure of the Commission’s shortcomings, the filmmakers make a solid, fact based case for the lemming like nature and true sloth of TradMed – yeah, I know you know – but it is stunning to actually see it layed out in black and white, linear fashion – the lawyers here will dig watching them ‘make their case’
Eureka Springs, AR @ 86
Oh God, Bolton as Secretary of State. We’d be at war with half the planet inside of three months.
Hillary Clinton has never repudiated her stand on Iraq. She does say it has been poorly handled (ya think?) but her position is still indistinguishable from Bush’s stay the course.
Although she hired Peter Daou to take care of her netroots problem, she has never made any attempt to engage with us.
She is fairly good on social issues but panders. I believe she was a sponsor of a bill (not the amnedment) to criminalize flag burning.
She has never been out front on any issue I know of (even those that have been clear cut)preferring to hold back and triangulate before committing herself.
Eli, MyDD has a beginning discussion about DCCC spending red v. blue:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/10/2/183554/154
off to work. Can’t wait to read what TRex is got for us.
Good post, Jen!
Hastert’s new campaign song ; )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEiMIMH0HRg
Madame Secretary isn’t going anywhere – unless she crosses Cheney/Rumsfeld period
Hastert’s replacement should be Boehner – but who knows, maybe Denny will take him along for the ride. . .or one of the other kids will see to that (these guys have been twisting arms for quite awhile and I bet there’s plenty of stealth Gingrich surrogates in there)
oh and Frist making nice with Taliban -
Cat and Run
Hugh @ 45
I actually read your comment as less pessimistic than I thought you characterized it as. IMVHO, I’m trying to flesh out your point about our growing influence with the media. When Feingold called for Bush to be censured, he said, “of course we should wire tap terrorists.” 99% of the Traditional Media ignored that quote and instead reported that Feingold was against the War on
ErrorTerror. I think Olbermann’s surging popularity in the coveted demographics against O’Reilly confirm that that won’t happen again. We won’t stop on November 8. We’ll continue to hammer Vichy Dems and the GOP. Since we’ve lost habeus corpus, and daily do even more damage to our reputation in the world, I’m not inclined to break out the champagne, but there were signs of hope, even before the Hastert cover-up.Eli @ 89
Exactly, or much much sooner. State doesn’t do diplomacy anymore. Does Henry or John tap dance?
Eli @ 89
I hate to tell ya, but . . . We are already responsible for dropping bombs on civilians in Lebanon, Gaza, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq — that we know of; and it’s plausible that US forces are undertaking covert actions in probably a several more countries, including Iran, several nations in Africa, and so on.
Colleen a daily lurker @
85
Boehner, who will also resign. After that, I don’t know.
More popcorn, please.
I hear you,Jen.
Is the country club so exclusive that decent rich folks can’t afford to be seen with the likes of us?
If that is the case, the road before us is longer than we’d like to imagine.
I saw one of the talk shows throw ‘Pelosi as speaker’ at Rahm a few days back,and rather than say “she’d make an excellent speaker,” he said, “She’s just one person!”
Asshat!
I figure while we’re girding our loins to kick Republican ass, we might as well plant a foot up the Emmanuel’s of the world backside too!
We now have ONLY about 24 months left until the next presidential election occurs. We have the Democratic possibilities of Clinton, Feingold and Gore, among a very few other lesser knowns, probably running against the Republican McCain. Who is the one we should support? And why? I would surmise these are awfully easy things to answer.
Jennifer,
This is an important topic and I hope you will bring it up again soon and continue the dialogue. (Tonight we all seem to have ADD – flitting around from one breaking scandal to another.)
When I read Lakoff’s book shortly after the 2004 election – it was a revelation – I had no idea of the extent to which the conservatives had invested in a long term plan: development of intellectual property, media control, and future generations of conservatives. We are so very far behind it is stunning.
As I recall, the Republican establishment did not welcome the conservative activists with open arms. They had to slog in the trenches for a long time and claw their way to the top – I think in much the same way we are. I think it will be progressives who develop the infrastructure for change – setting up think tanks, investing in writers, schools for activism, developing the next generation of progressives, etc. Quite frankly DFA is doing quite a bit of that right now.
I don’t think we are going to change the people who currently hold the purse strings or the power. They are to us what the Rockefeller Republicans were to the conservative activists – they were ignored and vilified for a long time.
I was not a Deaniac. And being a Kerry supporter I got a lot of grief from friends who were Dean supporters. I have to say that I have come to have a great deal of respect for Dean – his vision and the sense of empowerment he gave to the grassroots. And thank God he is the Chair of the DNC.
So, this is a long way of saying the revolution has begun. The grassroots is sick and tired of the Dem establishment holding on to tired strategies that don’t work. Look at the power of the blogs in disseminating information. Look at the genius of people like Howie Klein – Act Blue. Howie et al have provided an over-arching narrative for the progressives in 2006 – Have You Had Enough.
The Dem establishment can deny it all they want – but if they don’t work with us they will become irrelevant.
immanentize @ 91
Interesting. I’m not sure I entirely agree with Bowers’ premise that spending to win red districts is a waste of time in the long run; I think *if* the Dems who get elected in those districts, they can hold them, and probably turn them bluer as more constituents realize that Democrats aren’t so bad after all.
But I do agree with his other premise, that DCCC-backed Dems in red districts might be somewhat… less than reliable. Of course, they’re the kind of candidates the DCCC *loves*.
Impeachment Happens @ 87
Hey, spritzer, this sounds interesting….
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 33
I got an opportunity to tell the DCCC how I felt about them and their dereliction of duty, their squandering of funds, and the kicking aside of good candidates (Paul Hackett, for one).
I got a fundraising call and someone actually listened to me.
Thank you, dear reflective listener staffer, whoever your are.
big storm here … will be offline for a while …
Margot @ 104
I remember all kinds of happy talk about what a good progressive Sherrod Brown was, and how we would all be happy to support him under other circumstances.
So much for that.
Jennifer — this is an important post. You’re calling for long-run investment — but in what? An “investment” is usually some initial capital that creates some sustaining earnings capability. There has to be a business plan for that, based on some product or service whose value is reasonably predictable and for which the demand can be forecast. What are we producing/making/selling? Is it a publishing company that is, after some initial investment, self sustaining? A think tank in which the members become consultants who are self sustaining?
Is there a business plan? A list of products/services? A proposal for funding?
I can’t tell whether you have this, and you’ve been turned down, or you think this needs to be created, and we (or someone) need to flesh this out?
Where are we, and how can we help?
Margot @ 104
You are in Ohio too, right Margot? I’m planning to get an absentee ballot so I don’t have to worry about voting machine manipulations.
man, I LOVE think progress
check this out;
I guess all the comments about “hookerboots” and country clubs got me thinking about this from the NYT’s Pirro’s Strategy: Don’t Shrink From Scandal
Oklahoma kiddo @
44
Not a problem, Kiddo. After Feingold beats her in Iowa, all the gas will go out of that bag. By the Oklahoma primary, she’ll be a stale also-ran. A full-bore Joementum 2004.
Scarecrow @ 70,
I think the establishment will feel the wrath of the progressive grass roots if Lieberman is able to prevail – against the wishes of the Dem constituents he supposedly serves.
If the Dem leadership had slapped him down immediately, I think Joe would have been forced to either declare himself as a Republican or drop out. It appears that he’s not getting much Dem funding – for which I am grateful. But he clearly continues to play games with the Dems in the Senate – and is essentially trying to blackmail them, e.g. let me keep my seniority or else…
Personally, I will have a hard time forgiving Bill for his statement on LKL, if somehow Lamont doesn’t prevail. With friends like that – who needs enemies.
The value to the funders of the netroots are the same as I see. We have a collection of very bright people, very diverse, contributing to a non-stop townhall meeting full of vibrant and intelligent discussions of the issues of the day, how they relate to other things and other people.
Harmony is never reached here, because that would indicate a static situation, which is never achieved, however, a direction and mood can be determined. The value lies in the constituency of ideas that people the netroots, the passion they feel for their country, and the action they take towards that end.
It’s a question of value.
John Casper @ 37
Eli @ 102
The netroots is not just about this years elections. It took many years for the right wingnuts to build the Wurlitzer. To stay relevant and be respected the movement has to be sustained past this election cycle. The pressure has to stay on the DLC types until they see we vote, donate, and are not going away.
Jennifer this is a great post.
My thoughts on money. The left is dysfunctional money-wise in 2 regards. First, you have the slave-wages because people will work for free for things they care about, or at least that’s what funders think. Second, you have a large vocal block of people on the left who think money is evil. They would rather poison the well than milk the cow, meaning they make enemies of people who don’t see harm in creating wealth.
Making money and doing good are not opposite goals! Until the left resolves its hangups about money this will continue to be a hard row to hoe. Money is just a means to an end.
Ms Nix, A wonderful post. I don’t know how you do it. Asking fat cats for conceptual or solid plan money is such a drain on the esteem department. Pach wrote a late nite post on Sat. where he started a “progressive statement” of sorts. As we all know smart money wont invest in anyone without a solid plan. I couldn’t agree with you more about the blog leaders and others deserving a healthy portion of financial support.
Do you really think this ‘movement’ benefits wealthy folks continued income? Equal power and dignity for the majority may very well require a cessation of power/ income from those pulling the purse strings.
I’m thinking of Defense, Energy, Health and Education in particular and the fact that big money has us in a hold and fail position imo. Even though the big money is already ours (taxes). We must never forget this.
I guess one of many points I have and read in the comments is after we have a written platform we should consider, as the wealthy will, if we are all partners in our true goals or not.
Someone said this in an earlier thread. You might want to quote them in every future funding proposal…
Wealthy progressives fein guilt while we do something. I worry more about big money chasing our cause and disrupting it from within (Clintonesque) after we sieze power through the vote.
and now for something completely off-topic -
from the imitiable and amazing digby:
“Focus on the Family has decided that they aren’t going to condemn the leadership for failing to protect these teen age kids. But then should we be surprised? Dobson is a child psychologist who wrote this bit of “professional” advice for his followers who wonder if their sons might be gay:
‘Meanwhile, the boy’s father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son’s maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger.’
Dr Dobson undoubtedly believes that Representative Foley was just behaving as any normal older man would in loco parentis.”
Eli @ 106
Speaking of Sherrod Brown….
Let us never forget he voted for torture
Oklahoma kiddo @
72
Oh. Well, then. Try this:
I worked with a conservative guy from South Carolina. We talked about politics a lot. We were talking about 2008 one day, and he was positively salivating about Hillary. Oh please, he said. Nominate her. Please. She’s a Republican GOTV machine. I asked him which Democratic candidate scared him the most. He said Feingold. “Feingold has integrity,” he said. “He scares me. There’s not a good playbook for Feingold, especially with somebody like Wes Clark as his running-mate.”
Paul Begala, Democratic spokesman, frames things in red-state terms:
Now that’s how this should be framed.
We can all talk high-falutin’ language here on FDL, but we need to get out and around among swing voters and talk about “the law firm of Smith & Wesson.”
(My exact transcript from the video at http://americablog.blogspot.co…..-and.html.)
scarecrow @ 107
While we’re waiting for a definitive answer, I think at least partially FDL is looking to their book publishing arm to be the cash cow. I know in the past Jane has really been against the subscriber model. That leaves advertising, which from what I can tell doesn’t generate sufficient revenues. IMHO, we are depending on emptywheel’s book to generate significant revenues. I suspect the plan is to let the blog continue to inform and drive the publishing revenues, which in turn will hopefully lead to greater advertising revenues. My guess is Jane wants to take readers away from those like Woodward who profit from trading the reader’s right to know for access. The only other revenue that I can see is coming from people buying books via FDL’s link to Amazon. The energy that Jane and Christy and other posters invest in FDL, without much or any? compensation speaks volumes about their dedication, committment, and stamina.
Feingold/Wes Clark – a dream team
waterboarding candidate @ 117
That was kinda my point. I wish we didn’t need for him to win.
HeirofPatriots @ 115
Well, yes. But money belongs to somebody. And an investment is a seed for a harvest. So, if somebody buys in, they expect… what, exactly?
John Casper,
don’t know about sign John, but this had me smilin’ -(via Josh)
recall Dear Jane telling us what, a month or so ago that GOP was sending it’s biggest guns to RI to help Chaffee . . .and some of us were spectulating on it’s reverberations . . .Ford closed a 13 point gap. . . in a red state. . .with his Uncle on trial for all kinds of scandalous shit
yuh ah ah !!!
Eureka Springs, AR @ 116
ES, I do believe you have nailed it.
Re: subscriptions
The problem with that is you’re only going to sell some to some of the current group.
We have to always expand the group.
subscriptionsEli @ 122
Maybe we do this time, but primary the hell out of him and the other DINOs in 2008. Next time we’ll have more candidates and more savvy. Mr Foley is helping us this time, too.
HotFlash @ 127
My thought exactly. My wishlist of DINO scalps is growing and growing and growing.
dab from CT @ 112
The Lieberman problem and the funding/investment problem Jennifer is talking about are, if I understand her correctly, the same problem. There is no way the centrist money is going to be handed to progressives, who would just use it to beat Lieberman and others like him. Why would they do that? And the Clintons are doing everything they can to make sure Lamont does not win, while pretending to support Lamont. Bill Clinton’s interview on Larry King was a signal to the centrists that continued funding of Lieberman was just fine, or that funding of Lamont was wasted, because we’ll have an okay Dem no matter what.
The netroots/progressive bloggers job, IMO, is to change the dominant message — to discredit both the right wing and the centrist message, not because the traditional centrist message was wrong in an earlier era, but because the current centrist message merely enables the radical regime that is destroying the country. We want big money to help change the dominant message, but the current centrists, who are part of the problem we are trying to fix, have no incentive to invest in their own demise. The question is, can genuine monied progressives recognize they do not belong with that crowd and support their own.
We like to talk about people-powered politics, but the financial reality is that it takes a half billion dollars to elect a President, and tens of millions to elect a Senator in larger states.
The Daily Show is cracking me up.
dab from CT @ 122
Mos Def.
WRT Sherrod Brown, imm had a very good comment about him a few days ago?. IIRC, according to imm, Brown has been very progressive on a whole lot of issues for a long time. If people from Ohio want to correct me that’s fine, I’m just quoting imm. AFAIK, the House wasn’t going to stop the torture pardon, strike 1,000 years of common law about habeus corpus, law last week. He’s in a tough race with a relatively moderate Republican. I’m hoping his vote was a political calculation to get elected to the Senate. I’m hoping we can count on him to overturn torture and reinstate habeus corpus, before 2007. I think Bush will veto that, but that is what I hope.
Jennifer, good post. I always look forward to your byline.
It would seem one area the netrootz shines is in identifying and countering BS. WE should have an anti-swiftboat division and an anti-opposition research arm, ready to spring into action during the election cycle, just like they do.
The big question is – if we build it, will they come? Would we attract the funding we need if we had the infrastructure in place? Can it be done with volunteer labor?
I’m with scarecrow – where are we and how can we help?
John Casper @ 121
Well, I can’t speak for Jane, but coming from the book publishing business, I can tell you that it’s the rare book that actually makes money. We have some ideas for how to run a tighter ship, and to make sure that new voices and new ideas get heard. I was particularly encouraged by how well Glenn’s How Would a Patriot Act? did, because it ushered the ideas out into the national debate. But, I can tell you that despite making the NYT list, that book did not make much money when all was said and done. It’s sold under 40,000 copies, and we don’t yet know how many will be returned. The economics of book publishing are tough. I would say that FDL is doing more of a public service in getting Marcy’s book out. We’ll see how it all shakes out. It certainly would be great if the book sold well enough to pay all the folks who work on it a living wage, and that there is something left over to invest in a next book.
And to the other question about a business plan. Yes, I believe Jane has put together business plans for various aspects of this. And I believe that what is so exciting about blogs is that they don’t exactly fit into any one existing model. I think they are powerful exactly because they are media/think tank/organizer/pols all mixed together. So, then it becomes about how to build a sustainable model. I believe we do need to flesh it out more. I don’t have all the answers yet. I’m just looking for blogs and funders to meet at the same table and to figure out some of the ways we can move forward together. But, I would say that the blogs are some of the most exciting opportunities out there for investors who want to see social change in this country, along with ROIs.
HotFlash @ 123
They expect to make a profit or achieve a goal.
But that wasn’t really my point, my point was that the left needs to stop looking at money as being something dirty or scarce. There are companies who “do well by doing good”. That’s the attitude that needs to be developed. If funders look at their money as being scarce commodities of course they’re going to want to everything on the cheap. If some people they’re working with disdain money as being “corporate evil” then how can the funders expect to their generosity to ever be anything but loss leaders. There’s nothing wrong per se with making money. It’s how you go about it and what you do with the bounty. I think the negative emotions about money is a root of the funding issues and why it’s so hard to develop funding models on the left.
Hope that clears up my point.
new thread: Late Night
Mommybrain @ 134
Love you guys! I absolutely agree with the Swiftboat division and research idea. I’d love some help thinking this all through. Feel free to email me anytime at jennifer DOT nix AT gmail.com
ProfProf @ 120
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I agree with the framing, but red staters will know that Smith & Wesson doesn’t make 12 gauge shotguns.
That’s a laugher on its face.
So our Sec of State’s travellling huh? Think she’s reading any magazines published by Conde Nast-y? Seem like an appropiate nickname for “Legz” Couric’s girlfriend.
Just on, Anderson Cooper 360…
Gary Bernsten, author of JAWBREAKER just threw the administra- SHUN under the bus.
IMO, he has jumped ship. Prior to this he’s been parroting Republican talking points for the most part.
It’s every rat for him/her self
Cozumel @ 141
What did Gary say? You’re right, he’s been very damaging on occasion, and no one questions him.
Jennifer,
As to your pitch for money from the moneyed left, I think that calling it an investment is not quite right. It is neither that, exactly, nor charity. I think of it much as I do when I consider providing for children’s education. It is not charity, nor an investment in which I expect X per cent per year in cash returns. It is not for me that the gains will come, but for my children, and for a society that allows them to thrive.
To paraphrase Adams, I fund the technical school infrastructure today so that my grandchildren may study art and write poetry.
T- @ 139
Laugh at this
John Casper @ 133
All good points.
jeffreyw @ 143
Jeffrey W – thanks for your eloquent statement. These comunitarian values seem like true conservatism: preserving and adding to what we share, so that our grandchidren – and theirs – may share more.
I grew up around families whose public works built cultural landmarks and decided huge building projects. Now I spend more time around tree sitters and buffalo defenders.
And both groups worry about whether their children – and grandchildren – will be able to live on this damaged planet.
I hope this is a good thing…
Not because of what worries them, but what draws them together.
Joe Buck @ 13….Jennifer: Never give up on the rich folks. Just gotta be selective…that’s all. Guilt and shame can go a L O N G way in making inroads with the rich folks.
Shit..what else are they gonna spend $$$ on…those fancy little porcelain eggs??? Rich folks like Democracy…..just remind them that if there isn’t Democracy, the poor folks are GOING TO EAT THEM!
It’s in their best interests to have a working and middle class…a nice Democracy.
Jennifer, let them know that you have seen those bumper stickers around….’Eat the Rich.’
I love FDL…and Jennifer, you rock. Listen to your gut!
Joe Buck @
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This is entirely correct. In this context I always think of an old song by Phil Ochs:
“Once I was young and impulsive and wore every conceivable pin.
Even went to some socialist meetings and I learned every old union hymn.
But now I am older and wiser.
And that’s why I’m turning you in!
So, love me, love me, love me, I’m a Liberal.”
Basically there’s plenty of room for progressives to make alliances of convenice with millionaires who have a conscience about the environment or nuclear disarmament or peace.
After all it’s their planet too and if we don’t do something, their children will be under water due to global warming just as much as the rest of us.
But when millionaires dominate the progressive movement monetarily they will dominate it politically. They will decide what issues and what people “go too far.”
And we will need desparately to “go too far” many times in the coming years if the human race is to survive.
Our technology has vastly outpaced our antiquated political and social institutions and time is running out. And as time grows shorter the solutions needed become more and more radical.
The gradual approaches that were possible if we started work on the problem of global warming in 1980 are no longer possible. We wasted the last 20 years becoming more dependent on fossil fuels rather than less. Etc. Etc. It’s true of every significant problem, from nuclear disarmament, to radical Islamic fundamentalism.
People don’t like that. I don’t like it much either. But those with a lot to lose financially just tend to be too conservative to take risks. And we will need to take many risks to make it. We can’t depend upon the good will of progressive millionaires.
Outstanding post! Excellent summary of where we’ve been, where we are, and where we need to go. Let’s hope folks are listening!
Sorry, can’t get past your graphic.
I’m sure the GOP wants to make bear dancing legal again.
Fucking sadists.
Jennifer, the dancing bear metaphor was effective, but wrenching. When I see and read about the treatment of our fellow creatures it makes me truly dispair of the chances for humans to ever exist peacefully with each other and our planet. I couldn’t even read the rest of your post this morning.
I hope you come back to read this, Jennifer.
I have actually seen dancing bears; and I have also seen wild bears. (Scared the living sh*t out of me, to be quite honest.) There’s a world of difference between the two, and the commenter who noted that too much of the TradMedia have behaved like dancing bears is spot on.
As for funding… the huge, vast sums of money that built the wingnut Wurlitzer were spent in an era when the US was the largest world economy, during a period (Reagan) when changes to the tax laws shifted money toward the upper end of the income spectrum, which given the logic of compound interest resulted in a lot of funds available for Wingnut Media.
I have not seen any political structure emerge that really reflects a Wal-Mart society, in which huge numbers of us are contractors, or self-employed, or highly mobile, well educated, with a wide range of technical backgrounds and perspectives. The old Dem party structure came out of city geography, unions, and was then overtaken by single-interest groups. Neither the party, nor the old unions, matches today’s social structures.
I fear that too many Dems view the bloggers as one big, giant ATM machine. That seriously irritates me — particularly given the stupidity of some of my local Democratic office holders. I think the political parties view the blogs as their big, nice, new cash machine, so I view it as critically important that Howie Klein, or some identifiable group, control that flow of money. To hand it over to the party would be suicidal.
In my view, the parties are not at all entreprenurial. (Although Howard Dean seems to have a sense of limited resources, I personally view the DNCC as a flacid, wasteful, loutish outfit.) But because they’re not used to operating with a set of ‘deliverables’ — for campaign outcomes, or for policy outcomes, the parties don’t really understand the blogs yet.
I’d bet that many bloggers are either fairly entreprenurial, OR ELSE we’ve worked for some pretty hard-driving entrepreneurs. So my hunch is that bloggers are probably more focused than the general public on ‘measurable outcomes’ and ’specific results.’ That’s a different culture than you tend to encounter in philanthropy, although both Gates Foundation, as well as Social Venture Partners, are radically altering that blue-blood, charity-based view of philanthropy from the 20th c.
The new philanthropists are very focused on ‘investing’ social capital to obtain specific outcomes. Sounds like you’ve been following all of those shifts, but the people that you’re in contact with still have the old-time, sleepy view of philanthropy as charity.
Guess that I’d best send you an email… but great, great post.