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Remember when Dennis Hastert went inexplicably nuclear over the raid of William Jefferson's office and cried constitutional crisis? It was a bit of a mystery at the time, but now it seems like the fat man knew he had reason to worry in the future.
It didn't stop him from endorsing Colorado House candidate Doug Lamborn on Friday, or campaigning with him that day — I guess he needed something to do outside of Washington and punking Lamborn was no big deal. As his opponent, our ActBlue candidate Jay Fawcett, says on his Kos diary today calling for Hastert's resignation, Lamborn's judgment has always been somewhat suspect. Either he was just about the only one who didn't know or he didn't care about Hastert's moral indifference to sexual predators. Either one is problematic for someone seeking a leadership position.
ABC is reporting that it was known as far back as 2001 that Foley had page chasing problems, and the mad scramble on the right to defend him is pretty amusing (hat tip C&L). No doubt Hastert knows where many of the bodies are buried and won't be thrown under the bus with ease, but salvaging him in a situation with such ugly optics may prove extremely costly in November.
Another of our Blue America candidates, John Laesch, is running against Hastert (the DCCC didn't bother backing anyone in the race, but Howie Klein did). John had a great session here on FDL in July and he's going to be back on Monday afternoon to discuss his campaign and how Hastert's role in the GOP predator protection racket could affect it, so please join us.
As for Hastert — well, he's covered enough people's asses over time he's definitely got a few in the favor bank. Let's hope he pulls enough of them to keep himself in the game until he turns the entire November GOP field into a nuclear wasteland. He's calling for an investigation, but only into Foley's actions, most certainly not his own culpability. Will anyone let him get away with it?
Foley's leadership PAC has given money to such GOP candidates as Nancy Johnson, Kurt Weldon, John Doolittle, Rob Simmons and George W. Bush himself. Fellow Republicans like Joe Lieberman have tried to make much hay over the company their opponents keep, and insisted that any money raised by those they find objectionable be returned. Now that Joe has tried to make his sanctimonious moralizing about Bill Clinton a campaign issue once again, will he call on his good friend George W. Bush to return the cash?
Enquiring minds want to know.
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Waterloo!
FBI!
lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.
Foleygate..9/11gate the gates keep coming.
Aravosis thinks that both Hastert and Shimkus are toast. I won’t belive it until I read the letters of resignation.
McCloud!
or maybe it’s lay. nah, i’ll stick with lie. seems to fit in this context.
Now that Joe has tried to make his sanctimonious moralizing about Bill Clinton a campaign issue once again, will he call on his good friend George W. Bush to return the cash?
What, and admit he’s an enabler for the GOP?
(Bumpersticker seen today: ‘Mission Nothing Accomplished: Defeat George W Bush’)
ATTENTION KARL ROVE…
ITS OCTOBER
SUPRISE!!!!
I would really like for some accountability to come out of this and for someone to actually have to answer for their heinous actions.
Twisted Martini @
1
Sweet!!! I love Abba!
Yeah twisted,
GO BLUE….
I Hope the BALROG makes good on his bet!!
ITS GREAT TO BE A MICHIGAN WOLVERINE *g*
Predator-Gate –
Child-Molester-Gate –
Pervert-Gate –
Bush-Gate –
GOP-Gate –
Take Your Pick . . .
Or or sitting an a pedophile since 2005.
Its not a culture of corruption…
its a circle of sin.
The GOP (Greedy old predators) is morally and intellectually bankrupt. As Gilliard says, we need to beat up Rethugs with “so you are defend a guy who coddled a child predator?” Use it like a 2×4.
The radical right used to overreach much more quickly. It has taken six years for the perfect storm to develop. I guess that’s what comes of having a one party state.
Jane — check out the latest at Americablog — it appears the Repubs ran a lottery to see which page would bid the highest to have dinner with Foley.
Who’s toast?
My original ‘0′ was “Singlets!”, but didn’t want to hand out more eye bleach.
Every sitting Republican Member of Congress voted for the Pedophile enabling Republican Leadership . . .
And they will do it again, if re-elected . . .
Defeat ALL REPUBLICANS!!!
VOTE DEMOCRATIC!!!
-ck- @
13
or take your prick?
oddball @
12
Actually I’m a Colorado Buffalo. Just happen to live in Minny.
Anyway congratulations. Don’t bother to taunt me, as the Twins won the Central AL division today. I’m tauntless!
Go Tim Walz!
Steve: Don’t forget HookerGate.
Twisted Martini @
5
Please keep in mind that Dennis Hastert is two heartbeats away from the presidency. Should he resign, who are his likely successors?
Yesterday I sent a pensioner’s pittance to John Laesch … every little bit helps!
http://www.actblue.com/page/blueamerica
Anyone have a linky to FoleyPAC?
Madrid/Wilson tied. Momentum to Patricia Madrid.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 23
Not to worry. Hastert is 2 heartbeats away from stepping out of the canoe himself.
grs @ 10
I think that will have when pigs can fly.
As long as Bush is in office and the Republicans control Congress there will be no accountability. Look how many f*ck ups and disasters this crew has perpetrated – the total lack on conscience and principle. They could care less.
oddball @ 11
What would a flaming demon know about college football anyway?
Does anyone remember the House Banking scandal? I’m curious as to when it occurred prior to the 94 election. Memory is fuzzy but it certainly didn’t help Dem chances.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 23
Nancy Pelosi
Twisted Martini @ 18
You just had to point that out, didn’t you?
The Foley Follies
Who is running againt Rep. Shimkus (R. Ill.)?
dab from CT @
16
I like this post. Very astute.
Twisted Martini @ 28
Let’s keep sexual preference out of this Mister Man.
I agree with #15 and Gilliard. If the Democrats don’t use this unfortunate event (it is unfortunate, Foley needs help not abuse) to batter the Republicans then they don’t deserve to be the Opposition. These are dark times, as the legislation of the past week has amply demonstrated. Dark times call for tough measures. The tough measure here is to tar every Republican with child molestation.
It is a sad commentary on the American public that this means more to them than their Civil Liberties and the folly of pre-emptive war. But we must take whatever comes our way and work with it until Happy Days are Here Again. That might be a long time coming.
I wonder if “Miss Piggy” Rove is engaged, considering, he has all those emails from Jack Abramoff to worry about, OH and Ralston looks like she is about to crack under pressure and spill mucho beanos?
Karl you are an IDIOT nevermind architect….
BWAAAHAHAHAHHAHAA
Sorry – should say it will happen when pigs can fly
why doesn’t the edit ever work?
As for Joe Liebeman, he has been taking lots of republicans money. He surely would not want to take any money from sexual predators now would he? Joe, return all your republican money given by anyone even remotely associated with this mess. :)
One of the big features of the 1994 control of Congress switcheroo was that the Speaker of the House lost his own seat in a humiliating upset. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say history is going to repeat itself. The House is going to change hands and Hastert is going to get the bus ticket home he so richly deserves.
fwiw, the House Banking scandal was simply the policy of allowing overdrafts by Congresscritters on the House Credit Union where their paychecks get deposited — thank God my own bank still does that for me! It was called by the GOP as ‘writing bad checks’ and the propaganda was effective!
Time to start slammin’ Joe over Foleygate.
Is it somehow less scandalous in his eyes than Bill and Monica?
MAKE THE WORM SQUIRM!!!!!!
-ck- @
29
But not between now and early January.
The really big story that has been pushed aside by the Foley-gate is the July 10 ‘01 meeting. It is my understanding that Woodward is very clear that Rice and one presumes Bush/Chaney et al knew that an attack was close at hand. I have never thought the conspiracy theories were believable; however, I can now believe Cheney and the neo-cons let the attack happen in-order to advance the mid-east plans.
I think the screw up was Cheney, Libby and Rumsfeld didn’t think A-rabs could plan and carry-out a serious attack. A little property damage a few Americans killed…well you have to break a few eggs etc. Even after the extent of the attack was known, they moved ahead with war planning and didn’t loose any sleep. Am I too cynical? After Woodward’s book, I don’t think so.
was reading this just this morning -
apparently all rank and file House members must pony up a minimum of $100k to the Party
http://www.statesman.com/news/…..gress.html
only linking it so no one will be surprised to hear “they all do it” – they have to
I get that the House banking “scandal” was nothing compared to this, but I do remember the Thugs were fairly good at blowing this up against the Dems.
And here we thought that Plame had the bastards by the short hairs!
Now we’ve got a scandal EVERYONE can understand!
bg — you can either look up the “Florida Republican Leadership PAC” at OpenSecrets.org, or look up this PAC ID number — C00325969 — at the FEC website (http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/norcomsea.shtml) using the Advanced Search feature.
Bon appetit!
dab from CT @ 27
What really disheartens me is that if the Dems do get some sort of control come November, they’ll still do nothing formidable until too late in 2008. At some point, I’d really hope there’d be some decent Repub who’d stand up and try to stop the gluttony. I’m asking for a lot, but it’d be nice. I’m heavily supporting Dems that plan on actually doing something.
Woodward is gonna be all over the heads-on-sticks shows this week. Fredo is gonna declare the bar open Monday morning. Skaal!
I can’t believe this, I actually heard a reporter on NPR describing the correspondence between Foley and the page as “overly friendly”.
What I wanna know is – what kinda freakin friend is that?
cbl @ 44
Foley was a deputy majority whip, a leadership post – he had to kickback more than the $100K bare minimum.
House Banking Scandal – wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_banking_scandal
I will add one to the pile
Conspiracy-Gate
Will anyone ask Woody what he thinks of this?
Will he have anything of value to say?
David Ehrenstein @ 46
Aren’t the Thugs cute? They thought they could let this drop on a Friday news cycle with Congress adjourning and it would go away.
Knut Wicksell @
35
I.Couldn’t.Agree.More.
To put your money where your mouth is, may I suggest a visit to Blue America PAC (to get “Have You Had Enough?” commercials on-air, or the Blue America candidate of your choice?
Steve #43 — yeah, it does bother me that this came out of nowhere even thought everybody in the Republican House knew about it.
How did this catch fire, reach a tipping point on a Friday in the last stretch of an election year?
Could be a kind of honeypot, which worries me. On the other hand, there is so much gone bad all at once that even a well-planned honeypot will not have the effect it needs to succeed.
Has a Speaker of the House ever resigned before? To whom would Hastert submit his resignation? Hasn’t Congress adjourned? Aren’t they in some sort of Ringwraith-like liminal state, neither living nor dead, between now and Election Day?
I prefer abuse.
“it seems like the fat man knew”
Okay…that’s a blow below-the-belt.
I though we progressives were above that kind of rhetoric.
What does it have to do with anything that this guy is overweight. So am I! Does that make me more evil?
C’mon, there are enough relevant facts here to cook those involved. Do we really need to stoop to the level of those we condemn.
Geez!
Simon
Fresno, CA
Josh at TPM has the full text of Hastert’s call for an FBI investigation. It lays out clearly where they’ve decided to hang their hat: sure, they knew about the (paraphrasing) “creepy but ambiguous” emails, but not the more explicit IM’s and emails. As he says, “I’m sure you are aware there are two distinct issues here.”
Hastert’s note lays out something of a timeline and hits many of the known details. We need to be sure reporters don’t read it and think, “Well, maybe that could be how it happened, and I’m sure the Speaker is a very busy person.” It is the basis of the Republican playbook on this scandal from here on in.
It couldn’t possibly be how it happened, and regardless of the level of busyness: the CEO of any 222-man business would personally order the instant firing anyone he heard of doing even just the emails, precisely to avoid any chance of the company becoming liable.
We’ve got to be going over that letter line by line and annotating it for lazy reporters. Sorry, reporters “trying to meet their deadlines”.
As per usual, great catch Jane.
susan @ 50
Well, they couldn’t exactly read the IM transcript on the air…
It’s just that he looks so much like Sidney Greenstreet in Flamingo Road, Simon.
Acts like him too.
John Casper @ 62
It all makes sense now. Well, as much as anything involving creepy Republicans can make sense.
yes *ilson,
I was unaware of this practice and didn’t want anyone to waste time trying to gain traction on the ‘they accepted money from Foley’ theme – although it sure as hell wont help them now will it ?
yua ah ah!
It will be very interesting to see the Repugs spin this.
The Clinton is at fault meme just won’t cut it. I mean, Clinton played with an intern in the White House, so its O.K.?
How can you rationalize your complicity and your ignorance?
I see the House Leadership plays by two rules.
If information is power, and ignorance is bliss, you have the perfect recipe for corruption!
Like Marcia Cross’ son on Desperate Housewives
EvilDrPuma @ 55
I don’t think so myself (Friday dump). Foley completly f’d up them taking a victory lap before going home! lol
EvilDrPuma @ 63
No Dr. Puma, I would hope not. But “sexually explicit” would have been much more to the point. Don’t ya think?
David Ehrenstein @ 64
He strikes me as more like Baron Harkonnen from Dune. Sydney Greenstreet has a certain debonair quality Hastert is definately lacking.
No I don’t think this was a Friday dump either. They wanted to celebrate their torture victory, and couldn’t because of the Foley explosion.
cleter — If memory serves, both Newt Gingrich and Bob Livingston resigned as Speaker.
Anybody else got better data?
EvilDrPuma @
63
Where were the IM archives stored? Who disseminated the excerpts from those archives?
So…if BushCo tries to pull some maneuver against Iran in October we can all shout that they are trying to Wag the Dog to take attention away from the growing GOP scandal.
susan @ 70
It would be more direct. On the other hand, “overly friendly” isn’t going to confuse anybody who wasn’t already confused.
Maybe reporters will go on report mode. If they still remember how.
Rayne @ 73
Yes. Both of them were guilty of adultery.
Rayne @ 73
Jim Wright, who resigned as Speaker in 1989.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 74
They’re on the HuffPo, but I think it was Brian Ross of ABC who first published them.
dab from CT @ 78
Adultery may be a sin but not a crime. Seducing minors over the Internet is.
dab from CT @ 78
…which, unlike covering for a child molestor, is not a crime. Cheers!
Can we trust anyone infected with Republicanism around our children? Should we quarantine all those infected with Republicanism until we find a cure?
I’m reassuring conservatives I know that I don’t for a second really honestly truly believe that ALL Republicans are pedophiles, but that ALL Republicans ARE to blame for empowering these no-account child-stalking, war-starting, treasury-busting criminals.
Rayne @ 73
Newt resigned from the house and thus did not seek another term as speaker, then Livingston was elected and resigned as speaker b/c of an affair and ergo, Hastert was elected speaker and keeper of this dirty secret.
“Actually I’m a Colorado Buffalo”
Balrog; I feel your pain. My oldest son just graduated from CU. 0 and 5. sadness…
Dodgers/Tigers series baby ! Oh and the book salon rocked, as usual.
Rayne@57..I wasn’t suggesting a coordinated distraction. The Foley thing is the country’s good luck and may help persuade some of the ten percent of voters who are still in play to vote Dem.
I think the implications of the July meeting are too arcane to change votes but if the implications hold over time..future Americans will regard Bush/Cheney as monsters.
susan @
50
Good question.
I think the phrase “overly friendly” came from Foley, as he described the emails when asked about them by Shimkus, not from NPR.
scarecrow @ 32
Dan Stover Oddly, there’s nothing up yet on Stover’s website about this . . .
Livingston was forced out during the Impeachment Hearings…
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/im…..12-19.html
Gingrich resignation
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS…../gingrich/
My only question is about this:
http://www.latimes.com/news/na…..-headlines
When is someone going to tell these Christians that their pastors are telling then to vote for men who have covered for the men who sexually abused their kids????????
now a nice double entendre to the term chicken-hawk…heh heh heh… should make that term stick to the whole GOP…
Then there’s Jim Wright’s resignation.
AP – The FBI is examining former Rep. Mark Foley’s e-mail exchanges with teenagers to determine if they violated federal law, an agency spokesman said Sunday.
Let’s see now. The boss of the FBI is Gonzales. Gonzales works for Bush, a Republican. Foley is a Republican and so is Hastert, obviously. My guess is that in a week or two this will be back page news. If that. Considering the vaunted American attention span.
And… “Defense Secretary says he won’t resign”. This is, I think good news for Democrats. I for one want Donald in the limelight. Besides, if this guy were to quit, that would not alter things in Iraq. If the Republicans were half as smart as they think they are, they’d get rid of Rummy, strictly for PR purposes. This might serve to take the heat off Rice, Rove, Cheney and Bush a bit. Firing Rum-nuts would pseudo-signal the administration was doing “something”.
*ilson46201 @ 81
Livingston was sandbagged by Tom Delay, who wanted his pliant wresting coach as speaker, so he could work his black magic behind the scenes.
Hastert had to take two loyalty oats.
“heads-on-sticks shows”
God that makes me laugh !
Two words that I would never consider using in the same sentence as Denny Hastert – debonair and quality.
Yuch.cleter @ 71
Two words that I would never consider using in the same sentence as Denny Hastert – debonair or quality.
Seems more like an over weight aging Barney Fife to me.
Jeebus Jane, you really got to read this post over at KOS The Real Problem With Foley.
And OMG look at handle of the poster and look at the friggin’ date:
This sucker is going to blow up bigtime!
I guess that wasn’t fair to Barney Fife.
TPM has a pretty cynical and, I suspect accurate take on what happens next with Hastert’s probe
Andre @ 89
Archbishops couldnt be voted out. The GOP House Leadership can!
susan @ 99
So little is….
Note that CREW had the emails at least 3 months ago and referred them to the FBI acc. to CREW’s head on CNN – so they were rather surprised to find there was not an FBI investigation already ongoing …more to come I suspect …
and MyDD broke the Shimkus story … just to give credit where due
I’m just a bit skeptical that House Demos will give their “life, love and sacred honor” to make Pedo-gate the coffin nail it should be for the ReThugs.
Remember folks, the WH just finished rolling the Senate Demos on the Torture Bill.
Why would a sex scandal/cover-up outrank the disassembling of the Constitution only a week earlier?
The ReThugs operate on the principle of blackmail and extortion.
They undoubtedly have plenty of dirt (gathered with warrentless wiretaps, etc…) on various Demos (the 12 Senate Demos to vote for Offical Torture just as a reminder) who seem only to willing to consistently choose personal survival over the best interests of their country.
Anything less than the top Rethug leadership resigning BEFORE the election means they can do anything they please, No accountability whatsoever. If Foley is just the only chum on these politcal waters, the game is pretty much over for the Demos. This is being served up on a silver plate, even for spineless Demos, it doesn’t get much more “no-brainer” than this.
andre@at I think it was Howie’s blog, but is is said that the pastor of Foley’s mega-church said he still would vote for Foley rather than a Democrat.
Imm at 102 at Susan on Barney Fife. LOL
Steve #86 — no, I didn’t take your comment to suggest a disinfo campaign; you’re right about the Rice story not getting adequate attention, though.
It is the single biggest JAR-tanking issue of her career, could completely throttle any political future she has as a Repug, and it ought to be pressed harder with subpoenas.
But this other important story caught like a wildfire…lucky Condi, for the moment. That other Prada stiletto pump may yet fall before the elections.
Steve @ 105
A mighty fortress is our God,
A shield ‘gainst unwanted reality…
Old Sow @ 106
Aye
They’re going to investigate how the story was broken, start throwing ABC reporters in jail, start harrassing CREW, start talking about George Soros. That’s how this is going to play out. I hope you’re all ready.
always thought of Hastert as the big moose jock even the other jocks picked on or pantsed
cbl @
44
To run for State Assembly, they ask you to donate $7000 of your own money. Chump change to what you quoted, but it’s $6000 more than campaign finance limits allow, if you are to agree to the campaign finance limits and accept state funds for your race.
In other words, the Party is encouraging its candidates to eskew spending limits in order to buy their seats instead of running on the issues the people want to hear about and run an honest campaign.
Please check out my ActBlue page and help however you can.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 92
Not exactly, Mueller is the Director of the FBI. Remember Fitz? Gonzo has NO pull once the FBI is involved.
OK — stories that have been burried by Foley –
Rice and Tenet meet to stop bin Laden — ooops!
Abramhof bribes Rove and his aide, Ralston — Oh my!
Afganistan is a clusterfuck –oopsy again
More Americans die in Iraq than on 9/11 — uh oh.
Marines continue to get slaughtered in Anbar — yeah? Really?
Any others?
Exile on Ericsson St. @ 110
They can do that, but it isn’t going to change the fact that a sex-predator Congressman used the Internets to solicit minors with whom he had on-the-job contact, nor the fact that the House GOP leadership knew about it and covered it up, nor–and this is the important part–the fact that those facts are going to make every sane voting parent in this country cringe. That’s all out of the bottle now, and no diversionary stunt is going to put it back.
Jane Hamsher says,
…”Now that Joe has tried to make his sanctimonious moralizing about Bill Clinton a campaign issue once again, will he call on his good friend George W. Bush to return the cash?
Enquiring minds want to know.”
Jane, has Lieberman said anything yet about FoleyBoehnerHastertGate?*
* The Republlican Congressional Child Sex Scandal
Hastert was controlled by Delay. Hastert is now controlled by Boehner. Boehner is controlled by Rove. God knows who controls Rove.
Sounds like there was a sort of dating service inside the GOP leadership where certain boys were chosen to ’spend the night’ or spend some time with Foley and whoever else. Foley had a perfect cover as the leader ‘protecting’ the kids. I would not be surprised if this depravity runs a lot deeper than we know.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 117
It’s certainly not God !
And if it is true that the underage pages had the up and up on Foley and yet STILL BID “big money” to have a private dinner with him. . .there is a lot of mileage ahead in this whole matter. Because a lot of kids might talk and lots of other names might come up too.
immanentize @ 109
I second! LOL
Too much going on.
MyDD has a long excerpt from Foley’s Farewell to the Departing Page Class of 2001-2002 , including:
And who was that lucky young page. Well, two years later we find him running for an election.
http://sgahosting.com/eunice/
He was elected as a City Councilman in Valdosta, Georgia, at about age 19, but is now 22.
He supervised the day-to-day operations of the House Page program?
For the folks who haven’t yet seen the stuff linked in my # 98, here it is:
Note the handle and the date!
It ain’t the chickens comin’ home to roost Karl, its the mother of all skunks!
immanentize @ 114
We didn’t start the fire
No we didn’t light it
But we tried to fight it
http://www.billyjoel.com/disco…..eFire.html
; )
Oh, and gives new meaning to “member’s” dining room?
dab from CT 75: Thanks for reminding us!
If Dems can make this known pre-emptively, it might even help prevent such an attack. Now that would be service to our country.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 117
That would be this guy, wouldn’t it?
mad dog@98 The Kos link is really disturbing. It sounds as if the pages are crying for help but know the shit they will be in if they talk. Sick Sick
Imm,
Al Qaeda’s Greatest Hits(The Laughing Bomber’s) Volume XX released with much fanfare.
-GSD
They can do that, but it isn’t going to change the fact that a sex-predator Congressman used the Internets to solicit minors with whom he had on-the-job contact, nor the fact that the House GOP leadership knew about it and covered it up, nor–and this is the important part–the fact that those facts are going to make every sane voting parent in this country cringe. That’s all out of the bottle now, and no diversionary stunt is going to put it back.
I agree they’ll sustain damage, but I expect a three-prong attack from them to minimize it: (1) apologies from the leadership combined with at least one of them finding God, (2) an all out assault on CREW and ABC news, and (3) an attempt to say “the Democrats did it too.”
I’m not saying it will work, but they will punch back. They may not be smart to do so (I think they’re not — the smart thing would be throw one of the GOP leaders to the lions and call it a day), but Rove always doubles down.
Prof 122–dare I ask how you know they are one and the same?
Cozumel @ 113
Yes. I would have to concur with what you are saying. In theory that’s the way things are supposed to work… but. This brings to (my) mind the CIA and Cheney. I remind myself that I am dealing with a very ruthless ’special breed’ of Bush Republicans.
oddball @
9
COMMENT AWARD TO YOU!
jdw @ 118
Mr. Susan has been talking about a pedophilia ring in the House for a couple of years. It all seemed so unseemly that I never paid too much attention. I’m not sure we he read about this. I’ll check with him.
From Apple Canyon 2 at 6:44.
I couldn’t agree more. Everyone covering Joe ought to be asking him about this.
AC2, you started your comment prior to the close blockquote tag. That’s how it got indented along with GrandmaJ’s comment. I do the same thing, frequently.
*ilson46201 @ 119
You ARE correct.
Mad Dogs at 7:03
WOW
Thanks, because I missed the links in your 98.
Oh Coz! Here is my Billy Joel story — in 1980 I was a busboy in a restaurant in upstate New York called Coco’s. I worked 8-10 hours every weekend night (and some weekdays like Thursdyas). It was the height of the disco era and the restaurant was first a dinner scene and then at 11:00 or so it turned ito a champagne/cocaine Lebanese American disco. During the dinner period, there were only two one and a half hour tapes that looped. So, every evening I heard the same three hours of music at least twice. And, EACH tape had this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR3JlDqgmUM
God I hate that song….
GSD @ 129
Yeah, the laughing jihadists has been playing all day on CNN — only rarely do they note that US Gov knew about this months ago. So why does it surface now? And remember, this is not a new tape; it’s a tape reportedly made months before 9/11.
EvilDrPuma @ 127
Yes.
oddball @
12
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Oklahoma kiddo @
117
immanentize @ 6:58 pm – you mentioned that Abramoff bribed Rove and Susan Ralston. Should it turn out that Rove might also be involved somehow with the Foley scandal, how soon will all hell break loose?
GSD @ 129
Man, that is a title just real yet creepy enough to produce, release, and make a bunch of money for political contributions of our choice….
scarecrow @ 139
And proves nothing, except that terrorists can have a lighter moment. Yawn.
According to Sybil Edmunds, Hastert is bought and paid for by the Turks- see
http://tinyurl.com/affdp
The guy should have gone long ago.
Ken
susan @ 134
Mr. Susan says his source was Hunter S. Thompson. Can’t remember where he read it. So … who knows.
I felt sorry and sick for the one 16 yo page and hope like hell he was not hurt emotionally or physically. Now I feel sick, sick, sick. All of these young ones are dazzled by the pomp and circumstance and honored to be chosen to be a page.
This is a grotesque abuse of power and a helluva thing to expose these kids to. They must have been at first flattered by the attention and then sooooo confused and afraid. Seduction of the worst kind of the very vulnerable and immature.
immanentize @ 114
Wasn’t there something about all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies issuing a report saying that the war in Iraq is creating more terrorists than it is killing?
jdw @ 118
where are you getting your details about “overnights” jdw?
“Rarely is the question asked, is our children learning?”
angie @ 149
And of course this is how it always works. Works for priests. Works for presidents. Works for the dojo. Works for teachers. Works for “members” of congress.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 140
Interesting.
susan @
147
For what it is worth, please look at Wayne Madsen’s weekend comments about this subject: http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
Mr. Parrish, (may I call you Stephen?)
I cannot imagine that Rove was in this any deeper than simply knowing Foley was compromised. My guess is that they know just about every little peccadillo for every GOP elected official in America. Why have a secret wiretapping program if not to find dirt and blackmail?
That said, simply knowing is not enough these days for anyone to care.
My true hope in my heart?
Foley sees the light and spills every single bean he has.
We know why Foley voted to impeach Clinton. Clinton got blown by a woman instead of a teenage boy…
That Al-Qaeda “new tape” was found in Afghanistan in late 2001 – it’s been in US Govt possession all that time! So why release it a month before the midterms?
neurophius at 149
I believe it was 17 intelligence agencies.
sheeesh
EvilDrPuma @ 145
Just wonderin’: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEJmcvTzYfo
About Foley: Does anyone have a timeline going yet where we can keep up with who knew what, when, where. It’s getting pretty confusing…
I have also seen stuff about a pedophilia ring in DC and its assoc with the DC elite including congresscritters and that Hunter Thompson was investigating…I remember that Gannon was also mentioned.
oh no.
I thought it was just weird rumors then.
Lions, and Tigers, and Bears, Oh My! I had no idea Hasterd was up for re-election! I am so turned on! Corruption is the aphrodisiac of the masses!…LOL…
Dennis Fat Bastert!
“Get in my belly!”
“Argghh, this diaper’s makin’ my nuts rub together! It’s gonna start a fire!”
and despite trying to go straight, he still carries out the odd job for Dr. Evil.
Mickey @ 160
Here you go.
PeeJ @ 162
Every two years…
Simon at 6:30 pm
This isn’t a convent.
WRT J. Dennis Hastert, you’re talking about a guy who just helped lead the fight to overturn a thousand
fuck’nyears of Western common law to abrogate the right of habeus corpus. Without habeus corpus, the rest of the Bill of Rights is poof. And you want to jump Jane for calling him “fat.” You probably want to give her afuck’nmedal for being too damn diplomatic.If it helps, think of it as Jane’s “tough love.” She’s helping Denny to come to grips with his weight problem. It’s for his own damn good.
Mickey @ 160
Josh Marshall’s Talking Points Memo is probably the best. John Aravosis at AmericaBlog is dogged too.
Bill at 7:28, thanks for the timeline link.
*ilson46201 @ 157
Really. Was THAT the October Surprise? Yawn
Mickey @
160
Here’s a timeline I found this morning: http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..-timeline/
Josh Marshall…RNCC would like all or part of Foley’s $2.7 mil for other races.Good luck..the lawyers have already staked the claim.
So, if I get this right, Hasturd’s seat was evaluated as totally safe, once. Hmmm….wonder what it would be evaluated now knowing he enabled a pedophile? Lions and tigers and bears, Oh My! Toto? Where are you Toto? This can’t be the USA, it has to be OZ! No way this could happen here? Not in “my country”!
Peace! oh, and Love!
Why are James Dobson and The American Family Association silent about of the sexual exploitation of young boys by Republican Congressman Mark Foley and the almost year-long cover up by Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert and Republican House Majority Leader John Boehner?
Why do James Dobson and The American Family Association endorse the sexual exploitation of young boys by Republican members of Congress? Why aren’t James Dobson and The American Family Association calling for Hastert and Boehner’s heads for covering up James Foley’s sexual predator activities against children?
Where is the outrage? I thought promoting family values meant protecting our children from sexual predators?
You can send the AFA a mail asking these question by clicking here.
Or you can call them at 1-662-844-5036.
Don’t want to be OT but did anyone watch Woodward tonight?
Matthias Davies @
173
Amen! From a liberal Christian!
This morning (?) international CNN had a map showing 22 House seats, formerly R, looking D. I think that was THEN. NOW???
Whomever used the word “tsunami.” What you said.
I don’t see Hastert going down in that district. Reynolds is the most vulnerable guy who is in the mix.
immanentize @ 138
YIKES! LOL
In 1970 I was a DJ at a small AM ‘Top 40′ radio station in California where I WAS FORCED to play ROCKET MAN by Elton John….
God I hate that song….
I watched Woody.
Did you know the war is a complete mess?
Did you know that George W. Bush is clueless yet thinks he’s got it all figured out?
Thought you did.
Woody’s about as useful as Ford Pinto.
I don’t know why you are all getting so exercised about this Foley incident. As I understand, he has apologized Profumely. Indeed, I believe, it is reported that he has said that he intends to ‘turn over a new leaf’ in his life…. as soon as he gets to the bottom of the next Page.
oddball @ 9
made me laugh, but man oh man, I am CERTAINLY frightened of what is in store
will the republicans allow him to declare or initiate war in Iraq without their approval?
will they?
the president thinks he can declare martial law and suspend the cosntitution you know
that meand no elections if you were wondering what that means
I am pretty darned scared what the “october surprise” will bring to us
don’t be surprised if the internet gets “temporarily discontinued”
John Casper, @135
Thanks for the help. Much appreciated!
John Casper @
166
So missing the point. What does one thing have to do with the other?
I’m simply pointing out that we, as the self-righteous ones, should hold ourselves to the same level of discourse that we all to often condem the other side of doing.
Just because he’s an evil, corrupt politician working to destroy America, doesn’t mean that we have to stoop to highschool-yard ‘cuts’ to make our point.
And that, my friend, was my point.
We should be above that, be objective, and deal with the specific problems and evidence – not fall back on name-calling – unlike what the other side we often accuse of doing.
Simon
Fresno, CA
Simon
Fresno, CA
John Laesch who is running against Hastert and is a great candidate – high energy, high motivation and working his butt off to get his votes out. He’ll be here again tomorrow and we should make sure John has the money to push Hastert as hard as possible on this.
Hastert has local problems due to some shady land deals which Laesch has been working very well and Laesch is a bible quoting vet with a brother in Iraq now … no slouch on all the “patriot” themes but a solid progressive as well.
dab from CT @ 174
Woodward on 60 Mins: http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..of-denial/
If y’all wanna know where this story first “broke,” it was on a relatively new blog called STOP SEX PREDATORS.
Check it out on this Kos diary from yesterday, entitled “Foley Page Scandal First Broke on Independent Weblog”
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..205342/728
Here’s the blog in question, whose writer is anonymous:
http://stopsexpredators.blogspot.com/
The blogger has printed emails to the blog coming, purportedly, from pages. The first email came in to him/her on September 12, but the blog author was away at the time, and didn’t get to post about it until September 21.
Interesting, eh?
I find myself wondering who the anonymous blogger is. We all know how pissed off certain elements of the intelligence community are. Which is not to say the emails are not from real pages, just that there may be some facilitation of this behind the scenes by someone(s) aware of just how big a scandal this would be at this particular time. This is just raw speculation, but it’s interesting speculation, no?
What else may be revealed in the coming days?
Simon @
60
Simon,
Sadly it proves that all Americans are, in the end, the same, just with different upbringings.
I grew up with slogans involving Jews, Retards, and Niggers in the 60’s that were commonplace. I used them without any reference and assumed that they were no problem. I even teased the poor ‘Retards’ mercilessly as we all likely did.
I moved on, and to this day I feel horrible for what I did. Less than many, but I did it. I can only guess that the people who were more insensitive became Republicans.
The time to end this is now.
Coz,
Check this out:
Kate Bush singing the song you hate with big ’80’s shoulder pads:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
I am laughing at myself!!
me to me @ 181
don’t be surprised if the internet gets “temporarily discontinued”
my nightmare.
and Balrog, thanks for your recent comment to Simon
Balrog, my sentiments EXACTLY! I’m sorry for what I was taught. I’m proud of what I’ve learned!
Peace, and Love!
Mrs k8 (hello!)
My guess is that, if you are right about the ultimate source of this story (which seems sensible to me) then if there is another similar October surprise, it will come from some completely different and unrelated place. The unconectedness will support your theory.
Siun @
184
and he was an Union Organizer for SEIU for 3 years too!
Hi All,
I got no response on my request for help on my ‘Will Your Child Be Drafted’ request. I hope you all don’t mind if I offer the chance to respond to other blogs.
Thanks anyway to those who responded. I’ll update if I get anywhere.
b.
Hastert’s fatness is a moral values issue. He is setting a poor example for our young people, one that may cause adverse health effects.
And it is a metaphor for the excesses of the Republicans, gorging themselves on power, perks, and PAC money.
I don’t know whether I actually believe either of those arguments, but thought I would give them a spin.
GOP=Gang of Predators
*ilson46201 @
192
I like unions. They are the only thing between work and slavery.
susan #147 — bet you Mr. Susan was talking about all the stuff in this post.
Don’t know if HRT had/was covering it, but it sure as hell didn’t just stop in sync with the Iran-Contra Affair…
“So…if BushCo tries to pull some maneuver against Iran in October we can all shout that they are trying to Wag the Dog to take attention away from the growing GOP scandal.”
Yes, good point. We should start using a talking point that says: “I sure do hope Bush doesn’t start a war to distract from the awful child predation case that needs to be resolved in Congress. Our priority needs to be protection of our children.”
“They’re going to investigate how the story was broken, start throwing ABC reporters in jail, start harrassing CREW, start talking about George Soros. That’s how this is going to play out. I hope you’re all ready.”
Won’t work. They are already trying to question the timing and we can throw that right back at them that “if they had reacted responsibly, ethically and legally when they first knew it wouldn’t have been election time and they could have prevented any further abuse of interns.”
George Will actually made a good point on George Steph’s roundtable. This is an issue that hits the GOP base hardest, they detest this behavior. They may choose to stay home next month.
me to me @ 7:40 pm
the president thinks he can declare martial law and suspend the constitution you know
that means no elections if you were wondering what that means
Can you cite any historical precedent in this country for what you mentioned?
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..ent-318695
don’t be surprised if the internet gets “temporarily discontinued”
You might want to look at this: http://www.icann.org/announcem…..9sep06.htm
It will be running for a long time to come.
Can’t help repeating:
Then give me health, wealth, mirth and wine
And if busie love entreches
There’s a sweet, soft page of mine
Does a trick worth forty wenches.
John Wilmont, 2nd earl of Rochester
As a fat American I am not in the least upset at jokes leveled at the porcine, doddering, Drew Carrey look alike, Denny(s) Hastert.
-GSD
rat bastahd @ 198
I think you give them too much credit
used to be small government, now it’s big, used to be small deficit, now it’s big, used to be keeping government out of our lives, now they are up our butts, used to be traditional religous values, now it’s torture and war
there is nothing they won’t do to support their party
it’s “us against the liberals” and nothing else matters
Steve @
171
Here’s the, uhh, money quote from the NYT article Josh links to:
“Gladly accept”?!
dab from CT @
174
Yes. And I think that Karl Rove will be sad, and not happy. It was about as devastating as such an interview could be to Bush. Made him out to be an out-of-touch lying sack of shit. Okay, he didn’t use the s-word, and he had the saddest face all the while.
GSD @
201
But Drew Carey is pissed!
The Middle is a boiling cauldron these days.
*Hamas and Fatah are close to all out civil war in the Palestinian territories.
*Syria is sending troops to the boarder with Lebanon.
*India is scaling back contacts with Pakistan on fears the Pakistan ISI was involved with the recent bombings in India.
*Iran is not backing down on their nuclear program.
*Shiites in Iraq are demanding that Sunnis cut ties with “terrorist” groups.
*Al Maliki is coming under pressure from the US for not clamping down on militias in Iraq…
*Moqtada Al Sadr is now rumoured to have as many as 200,000 followers ready to support him….Sadr has vowed to support Iran if attacked by the US.
-GSD
Would LOVE to see Hastert aced by Laesch.
His sanctimonious attitude about Clinton’s indiscressions pissed me off, considering he admitted adultery his own self.
I tend to be a bit suspicious of high school wrestling coaches myself, jus on general principles.
Anyone catch this in MTP?
immanentize @ 188
ROFL, imman. A little better but I still HATE THAT SONG! LOL
Another one I played then was …”Slippin into Darkness” by War. That one I liked. It was all 45’s then and they SCRATCHED OUT (literally) the intro…Well, well, well and so on.
Fascists ; )
me to me, I definitely believe there a far too many people exactly as you describe above. I know a few.
I also believe there are “moral” christians out there true to their values and they truly detest that behavior. I know more than a few.
Assuming the election isn’t Diebolded, it could certainly be enough to turn a close election.
GSD @ 206
What are the Kurds up to?
Typical. We all regard Hastert’s obesity as a flaw if it fits our agenda.
Wake up. We are better than our opponents HOW?
If I’m not mistaken, our list is moderated. By moral liberal folk. Many times we project a moral standard that we like to project on our opponents. It is rewarding based upon our agenda, but no different than that which we oppose.
Where are the supposedly Liberal posts when this happens?
Standards are so popular that everyone has one.
The Kurds have actually called a cease-fire with Turkey…one of the few bright spots as of late.
-GSD
Cozumel @ 209
That song could be the American Themesong right about now.
“You’ve been slipping into darkness, pretty soon you’re going to pay”
-GSD
Immanentize –
What’s so interesting about the blog STOP SEX PREDATORS I linked to above #186, is that I now notice that from the very first post of content on that short-lived website, the topic was NOT “sex predators” in general, but honed in immediately on CONGRESS!!!
There was an initial post in July announcing the start of the blog and its purpose (in general about sexual predation of youngsters), but the very next entry in August brought up the topic of sexual predators in Congress.
I have yet to read the comments left there, but will do so after we get back from the dog park, where we’re heading now. See you shortly.
Here’s the link again:
stopsexpredators.blogspot.com
(I also want to check out more detail at the dKos diary linked at #186, as I have yet to read all the links given there and all the comments.)
GSD @
201
But this isn’t about you being offended about fat jokes. This is about people being critical of others for their abhorent behaviors stooping to schoolyard ‘fat jokes’ to help make their point. One has no place in an objective discussion and only serves to undermine the credibility of those launching the attacks.
That’s the point.
Simon
Fresno, CA
Simon @ 216
Simon says: cut out the fat jokes…
“It’s disgustingly vile,” said Rep. Mark Foley, R-West Palm Beach. “It’s much more sad than anything else, to see someone with such potential throw it all down the drain because of a sexual addiction.” – On Bill Clinton, 1998.
OT– I just went back to see if Dr. Porter had come back to answer questions from yesterday’s visit and he surely did. I am so impressed with that candidate. Please indulge me for posting his remarks from today to a comment that I made.
If y’all missed his chat with us, do yourselves a favor and go read:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…../#comments
the gop took out a sitting speaker of the house in 1994 with some jackass.
why can’t the dems do it with this guy who at least seems ok?
come on, dems.
How many people have you talked to today? How many of them did you tell to make sure they’re registered and to vote? How many did you offer to help register? How many did you offer to take to the polls or to pick up an absentee ballot? Do you know how many seniors in your neighborhood may need help with transportation to and from the polls? All politics are local. Local means three blocks in every direction from your home. You want to go to another state to help someone get elected? Fine and good on ya. Just don’t forget the little old cat lady who lives down the street.
If there was ever an opportunity to chase these liars, thieves, and perverts back under their rocks, it’s now.
The difference between a revolutionary and an evolutionary is the revolutionary takes full advantage of opportunities as they arise.
Never give up.
*ilson46201 @
217
Are you serious? Are you being sarcastic?
I am on the verge of worrying about this site’s clientele.
*ilson46201 @
217
No…Simon simply says; do unto others as you have them do unto you.
We’d be screaming if the other side used such rhetoric when attacking someone on our side.
So to do it ourselves, in my opinion, makes us not much different than them.
That’s the point.
Simon
Interesting comment from the comment section of the ABC news blog:
Some people have wondered if Foley was a swing vote on any bills passed by Congress this year, and it turns out that Foley was sitting on the fence on the CAFTA bill that passed 217-215, and then cast the deciding vote.
Does anyone else think that the GOP leadership saw the pedophilia tendencies of Rep. Foley as an opportunity rather than a problem? An opportunity to control him makes for a good reason to stay quiet.
Posted by: Alan Stamp | Oct 1, 2006 6:52:11 PM
Can anyone verify?
dont worry about the clientele — worry about the hired help!
immanentize @ 155
I cannot imagine that Rove was in this any deeper than simply knowing Foley was compromised. My guess is that they know just about every little peccadillo for every GOP elected official in America. Why have a secret wiretapping program if not to find dirt and blackmail?
That said, simply knowing is not enough these days for anyone to care.
My true hope in my heart?
Foley sees the light and spills every single bean he has.
Foley spilling the beans has got to be the Great Nightmare for Rove and Co. If Foley sheds more light on when he was “confronted,” by whom, and what was said at these gatherings, I’ll guarantee that it won’t be a pretty picture.
I’m not saying that Karl was aware or involved, but Imm’s right: he’s definitely someone constantly checking the pulse of the party and its apparatus. Or, to put it another way, you might say Karl knows where the bodies are buried – and who’s been getting measured for a coffin.
Bill @ 224
I have read that and I’ll try to be right back with a link…
FireDogLake appears to despise racism, bigotry, and homophobia with extreme passion.
Obesity appears to be fair game. Fat people like me are horrified, since we thought of this place as home.
Can we correct this soon?
Thanks,
Large Balrogs.
I worry about Foley as a suicide risk — especially if it’s not by his own hand.
Once something like this breaks others may come forward.
Not a lawyer – but does Hastert have potential civil liability here?
Angie – Dr. Porter’s a keeper, for sure. I donated to his campaign, as well. Don’t know what his chances are but we definitely need people like him in Congress helping to fix the mess we’re in.
The best and the brightest – not the most corrupt and most ignorant.
Another point to be made anytime someone attempts to defends anyone who knew about this/anyone who didn’t DO THEIR JOB is:
“Excuse me. As a parent, your defense of such a sickening act, and possibly other acts that could have been prevented against these minors means I wouldn’t let you anywhere near MY child. Let’s have a family values discussion, shall we…”
My guess is that would create an awkward silence.
Mrs. K8 @ 229
Wow, hadn’t even thought of that. You’re right – a push out of the window, an overdose (injected into his system)… the possibilities are endless
Balrog @
228
Thank you for supporting my point in a concise way.
Simon
Hastert’s body size has nothing to do with this – it’s that heart that’s two sizes too small that’s at issue. Let’s keep the focus on weightier issues than his weight.
Peterr @ 235
Too late.
I’m very sorry.
I have not read thru’ the posts.
But upon seeing this picture I felt I had to commit that faux pas.
My message:
Does anyone else hear oompa music when seeing his pic?
Darn that Stephanie Miller! Whenever they do a Denis Hastert bit, it’s always to polka/oompa music with Hastert talking about brautwerst and sausage and meat products.
I can’t get it out of my head now!
I’m sure she’ll talk about it tomorrow, so tune in so that you see I’m not crazy!
dab from CT @ 233
I would worry about it both directions. Only Foley knows how truly disturbing this full story might be. It’s huge as it is, but imagine there was sex involved, where, when, with whom? Getting caught could easily push someone to commit suicide in this situation.
It is a very good point and raises an earlier question: where is Mark Foley NOW?
*ilson46201 @ 225
I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m feeling this thread is getting hijacked to debate whether calling Hastert “fat” is PC or not.
Anyone else?
Mrs. K8 @
229
I agree completely.
Roman Catholic hierarchy always liked the suicide solution. Jason Berry’s LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION explained the process very well. After enabling a child molester for years/decades, they become a liability to the hierarchy/enablers, once the truth leaks out. At that point, subtly encouraging suicide certainly helps all the enablers, unless there are documents, it becomes a lot easier to plead ignorance.
Here Bill– I was actually checking on his assoc with Eric Cantor, one of Allen’s supporters and up for election too this year. There’s a stench from Cantor too (among them his assoc. with Abramoff and Delay), but as to your question:
hmmm, graciousness???
there’s more poo at this link on Cantor:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..p;refer=us
Balrog @
187
Umm, cultural reference? Fat man? Guttman? The Maltese Falcon ring a bell? That’s what I think of when I see that phrase….
Guttman’s gunsel???
Russert hasn’t learned. He’s confusing "Abramoff’s money" with "Indian casino money" which had always been going to Democrats. He can’t quite let it go. Can somebody who knows Russert get him a clue on this? Just from the standpoint of: stop embarrassing yourself with well-known falsehoods, it’s unbecoming of a journalist at your level, etc.
tryggth @ 230
I would like to see your question answered by a lawyer who practices in the area of employment law, including that involving government defendants. My initial opinion is that as Speaker, Hastert bears ultimate responsibility for the safety and wellbeing of the underage participants of the page program. If he failed to put the proper safeguards in place, or worse, failed to act on evidence of an existing problem named Foley, and if a young person suffered damages, e.g. emotional distress, then Hastert ought to be accountable. A possible problem is governmental immunity. I don’t recall whether it extends to individually named government official defendents, or whether there would be exceptions to it that would apply in this case. To the best of my knowledge no damages have been alleged here, but they would seem to be a possibility.
Long before Monica made it a dirty word, I was an intern in DC – not the White House, but the German desk of the State Department. I was 17, and did everything from passing messages between offices and photocopying to helping to write a speech given by then-Secretary of State Al Haig on national (West) German television.
I would hate for this mess to be the end of the page program, or other similar internship programs around DC. They are incredible educational experiences, akin to being an exchange student abroad (which I have also been), and do not deserve to be ruined by the likes of Mark Foley or his Republican Leadership enablers.
Mad Dogs @ 239
Give me a break. I have been in full support of this site for months.
Doesn’t mean I’m going to sacrifice my mores because it doesn’t fit in here.
Thanks, Angie. I’m reading your post now…
New Thread — Paging Nancy Grace — please answer the TRex Phone!
Hi, kids. Tonight’s big fat late nite post is up!
neurophius @ 243
DC has a “mandated reporter” law which requires that various professionals who work with or oversee children and teens (teachers, medical workers, social workers, clergy, etc.) who have reason to believe that abuse may have taken place must report their suspicions to the appropriate DC agency. You don’t have to KNOW that abuse has taken place, only suspect – so that the professionals can go in and investigate the situation.
That’s the good news.
The bad news is that the criminal penalty for failing to make a report is a $100 fine and/or 30 days in jail.
Mrs K8 at 215 et al
can anyone here do the ‘whois?’ magic spell on the ’stopsexualpredators’ web site registration, see if there’s any traceable names attached?
I know such spell exists, but have not the training to attempt it myself.
TRex @ 248
TRex, please tell me that ‘big fat’ doesn’t confirm my suspicions… Please.
Peterr @ 244
Good point. And also, I would think that many of the people who participate in page programs plan to devote their lives to public service. I would hate to see the pages who have served during the Foley era dogged throughout their careers by “page” jokes and innuendos.
Okay — time out on the weight discussion; what happens on this thread, stays on this thread.
We’ve got to kick some ReThug preverts outta Congress, and into jail where they belong!!!
I’ve been away and I wanted to share a few thoughts that accumulated over the weekend.
1. Lamont/Lieberman – is Jane going back to CT for the home stretch leading up to Nov. 7? I will be. And I understand the BBC guys will be back for the last week as well.
2. John Laesch (Hastert’s opponent). Everyone needs to give generously to this guy. He has a real shot, and regardless of whether he actually wins, he will help to rip apart the Republican leadership if he can force Hastert to start thinking about his own political future rather than having a ’safe seat’ from which to do Bush’s bidding. Supporting Laesch will exacerbate the tensions between Hastert’s political survival and his loyalty to his party. Laesch is positioned to attack this pressure point.
3. The D.C. pages. They are out there, trying to find the courage to speak out on what they have seen. If any happen to be reading, I want to encourage them to come forward. History will not be kind on the Republican party of this era. Many of those now in power will be in jail by the time that recent pages are graduating from college. There is nothing to be gained by maintaining silence to aid the current pool of Republicans in office – their time is almost up…
neurophius @ 252
I got quite a reaction, several years ago, when I opened a sermon by solemnly saying “I have a confession to make. Years ago, when I was a young impressionable guy, I was . . . (pauses, looks at the floor) . . . a DC intern.” There was this long silence, then some nervous laughter, and when I finally looked up with a grin on my face (I couldn’t help it), a huge laugh from everyone.
It’s funny now, but it makes me pity this year’s class of House pages.
Balrog @ 246
Take as many breaks as you want.
You made your point ad nauseum. That’s what I’d call hijacking a thread.
If you don’t like Jane’s verbiage, take it up with her.
Just stop whining about it continously here.
Balrog @
245
Well, of course, this has nothing to do with that. The point is well missed by those who can’t view this all with objective eyes.
So it’s okay to play the schoolyard bully and call people names that have nothing to do with the point at hand, as long as it furthers the cause of condemning the opposition.
If calling someone “fat” is productive your arguement, than more power to you. Not that it has anything to do with your position that the person in question is bad, other than it’s an easy target that he’s overweight.
If that’s what this argument is all about, then fine.
He’s overweight.
But what does that have to do with a policician being corrupt and out of control?
Of course it has nothing to do with it – which is the point.
Simon
Fresno, CA
Peterr @ 249
Thanks for that information, Peterr.
Regarding the bad news, I should think a conviction would also tend to end one’s political career.
Mad Dogs @
257
Jane’s? You are about 15 posts beyond Jane’s. Nice effort.
Ruby Tuesday @ 250
The site you refer to is a blogspot client, which means it has no separate domain registration, and therefore no “whois” to refer to.
Blogspot is a free blogging service provided by Google.
Mrs. K8 @ 229
I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if he ‘eats a gun’. I hope he doesn’t, BTW.
And yeah, cut the obesity crap. It’s hurtful to some.
ojs at 260
thank you for the explanation. I am but an egg.
hijacking a thread is a hangin’ offense around these parts, buckaroos. You’ve made your points, now let’s move along.
I knew it, the drinky-drinky defense. These perverts give real winos a bad name.
Here is the very scant info from a whois search on http://www.stopsexualpredators.com
Domain Name: STOPSEXUALPREDATORS.COM
Registrar: COMPANA, LLC
Whois Server: whois.budgetnames.com
Referral URL: http://www.budgetnames.com
Name Server: NS1.BODYFUNCTIONS.COM
Name Server: NS2.BODYFUNCTIONS.COM
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 01-oct-2006
Creation Date: 01-oct-2006
Expiration Date: 01-oct-2007
Looks like it was updated until Oct 2007
On another site I saw it mentioned a private investigator could be hired by one of the page boys families.
A civil suit will bring this all out eventually too.
For Rayne if she’s around and if not, if someone who sees it points it out when she is:
Ralston.
Rememer how she came to everyone’s attention in connection with the Plame case. Calls that were and were not logged in. Then the missing Susan Ralston as the case progressed.
At the time, I mentioned that with Abramoff, and Ralston, one thing to keep in mind is that one of the lawyers (at least) on the Plame team was also leading up the Safavian case from the Abramoff investigation. I nice crossover point, particularly with a G.J. that is not “dedicated” to the Plame investigation only. It still makes you wonder (although I’m not super optimistic) about Rove’s Plame charges taking a lower priority bc there is something else in the pipeline for him via Ralston’s testimony and Abramoff.
I’m not optimistic, but it’s something to consider as you sift through some emails that the investigation has had for awhile and which seem to make Ralston look like a prime intermediary. fwiw
Mrs. K8 @ 215
Tried to edit that comment, made a mess.
Margot…the Sept 5 Kos comment link: http://www.dailykos.com/commen…..458/60#c60
Lou Costello @ 271
I meant Sept 5th but the edit function doesn’t wanna work for me either.
ABC radio news leads with the COVER-UP.
The cover-up is the story now.
This is moving fast.
I was wondering why the family values Christian right control of all 3 branches of our government with expanded unity command power has not yielded a no gay marriage amendment or law. Torture those suspected terrorist without due process to keep our children safe law = no problem.
I’m starting to figure it out with Mr. Foley & the possible R. party cover up including respect the victim.
If the victim & victim’s family has forgiven and wants to keep the covers over this why should stranger’s want an investigation ?
Can’t we just forgive and move on its not like Mr. F is a muslim or something like that.
We should check with Laura B. if one of her bible songs would be useful, seems like every time she speaks a bible song has a place.
MY GOD! where are these images coming from (both the one at the top of this thread and the perfect gem at http://static.firedoglake.com/…..astert.jpg )
For a split second I thought the latter was from some over-the-top Hollywood movie.
Verily you really can’t make this shit up.”
Might Mr. Foley be undergoing rehab in Cooooba?
ccmask @
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With the Republican “strategy” of a scandal a day keeps trouble at bay, I’d forgotten about Hookergate. Anybody know what’s going on with that investigation? As long as I’m on the sexual peccadiloes, or is it armadilloes? what’s up with the nasty of nasties, the Guam Sex Slave Racket?
Republicans = Hypocrites
What is next? Cheney gets caught doing the morgue? Keep up the good work Republicans. Picked a bad time to become a Republican, Joe.
Very interesting…….
Hastert just finished press conf.,semantics abound. They are ONLY investigating “instant text messages”. Made it very, very clear, they NEVER mentioned emails. Get it? This only goes back a year or so, specifically never mention emails. This is the spin, no investigation going back years with emails. Technically, they probably didn’t see or hear abt. instant text mess. These guys are slick, aren’t they?
You watch, they just cut off all investigaton before technology of instant text mess.