
In the GOP pattern of behavior throughout the Bush Administration (and beyond, frankly, but let's stick to recent history), the public pronouncements and the behind-the-scenes honest facts don't match up. Again.
And this time, it wasn't soldiers at risk from lies and the cover-ups -- it was teenagers entrusted to work as pages in Congress, and a Republican leadership more interested in keeping smarmy Uncle Foley's secret "in the family" than in making certain every page serving in the House stayed safe from the hard cruise and grooming e-mails, with the GOP leadership's outrage reserved only for the after-the-fact time when they got caught with their hands in the cover-up jar.
Glenn hits the nail on the head here:
As much as anything else, that is what this scandal is about -- GOP House Leaders prancing around as the Protectors of our nation's children from Internet Predators while, at the same time, apparently knowing that there was such a predator in their midst. And they not only failed to do anything about it, but they actively worked to conceal the behavior (by, as noted below, ensuring that all Democrats -- including even the Democrat on the House Page Board -- were blocked from learning about these accusations). As Hastert put it at the top of his Press Release (emphasis in original): “At home we put children first, and Republicans are doing just that in the House.”
It is this same pattern of behavior, over and over again, putting the Republican party's interests ahead of the public's.
-- Whether we are talking about children serving as pages in the House whose safety took a back seat to protecting the GOP public reputation through covering up for Rep. Foley no matter the cost to the kids:
Top House Republicans knew for months about e-mail traffic between Representative Mark Foley and a former teenage page, but kept the matter secret and allowed Mr. Foley to remain head of a Congressional caucus on children’s issues, Republican lawmakers said Saturday.But news reports about the exchanges led to the disclosure of e-mail correspondence with other former pages in which the discussions became more and more sexually explicit. Shortly after he was confronted by ABC News on Friday about the subject, Mr. Foley, who represented a south Florida district, resigned from the House.
The revelations set off a political upheaval, with Democrats and some Republicans calling for a full investigation of Mr. Foley’s conduct and whether House leaders did enough to look into it. Members of the Republican leadership sought Saturday to detail how they had handled the case in an effort to defuse the situation, even as it was emerging as an issue in Congressional races.
Among those who became aware earlier this year of the fall 2005 communications between Mr. Foley and the 16-year-old page, who worked for Representative Rodney Alexander, Republican of Louisiana, were Representative John A. Boehner, the majority leader, and Representative Thomas M. Reynolds of New York, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee. Mr. Reynolds said in a statement Saturday that he had also personally raised the issue with Speaker J. Dennis Hastert....
The tap dancing and finger pointing underway in the Republican leadership is appalling. And the rush to set up a "hotline" for worried parents eleven months after the leadership learned of this problem is way too little, much much too late.
At what point did the leadership say to themselves "Hmmm, here we have an elected official in his 50s, flirting with a 16-year-old and asking him to send pictures. That's creepy and inappropriate, and perhaps we should investigate further than just telling everyone to keep it quiet and hope it will go away." Answer: only after the media exposed the problem months after the fact. Heckuva job, Denny.
House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) was notified early this year of inappropriate e-mails from former representative Mark Foley (R-Fla.) to a 16-year-old page, a top GOP House member said yesterday -- contradicting the speaker's assertions that he learned of concerns about Foley only last week.Hastert did not dispute the claims of Rep. Thomas M. Reynolds (R-N.Y.), and his office confirmed that some of Hastert's top aides knew last year that Foley had been ordered to cease contact with the boy and to treat all pages respectfully.
Reynolds, chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, became the second senior House Republican to say that Hastert has known of Foley's contacts for months, prompting Democratic attacks about the GOP leadership's inaction. Foley abruptly resigned his seat Friday.
House Majority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) told The Washington Post on Friday that he had learned in late spring of inappropriate e-mails Foley sent to the page, a boy from Louisiana, and that he promptly told Hastert, who appeared to know already of the concerns. Hours later, Boehner contacted The Post to say he could not be sure he had spoken with Hastert.
Yesterday's developments revealed a rift at the highest echelons of House Republican ranks a month before the Nov. 7 elections, and they threatened to expand the scandal to a full-blown party dilemma.
Only after Reynolds's definitive statement did Hastert concede yesterday that he may have been notified of some of the questionable activities of Foley, 52, who had co-chaired the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus. Hastert said, however, that he knew nothing of the sexually explicit instant messages that became public Friday when ABC News and other news outlets reported them. The messages apparently were exchanged with youths other than the 16-year-old.
Hastert's aides learned in the fall of 2005 only of e-mail exchanges that House officials eventually deemed "over-friendly" with the Louisiana teenager, the speaker's office said yesterday in a lengthy statement. "While the Speaker does not explicitly recall this conversation" with Reynolds, the statement said, "he has no reason to dispute Congressman Reynolds's recollection that he reported to him on the problem and its resolution."
Boehner and Reynolds said their offices learned of the Foley e-mails months ago from Rep. Rodney Alexander (R), who sponsored the page from his northeastern-Louisiana district....
Let's talk for a moment about what a person honestly concerned about the well-being of the teenagers involved would have done: (1) talked with the page in question; (2) talked with the parents of that page; (3) talked to other pages; (4) an actual, thorough and real investigation; (5) contacted outside authorities with no political axe to grind to conduct an independent investigation to assure that nothing untoward was happening; (6) pretty much anything but a cover-up and an admonishment to treat the teenagers with whom this grown elected official was flirting with "respect." (Hello GOP Leadership, in the corporate world, this sort of brush-off of a sexual harassment problem with one of your partners would get you slapped silly with a civil lawsuit. Do you think the rules do not apply in Congress or that the children who serve there are less worthy of protection than adults in the workplace? RollCall has more.)
What did the Republican leadership actually do? No one has any clear picture of that at the moment, because they are all running around in circles pointing the finger at each other, with no one standing up and taking any responsibility whatsoever for their failure of leadership or concern for the kids who were placed at risk by pervy Uncle Foley's masturbation and grooming advances. Josh Marshall has a sort of chronology going on this -- it really needs a vast flow chart at this point with all the finger pointing and backtracking -- and it doesn't look good for most of the GOP leadership. Pathetic.
But when you pan out a bit and look at the broader context of the Republicans and their consistent CYA behavior versus choosing actual honesty with the public, it is not a pretty picture:
-- Who could forget George Bush's "Mission Accomplished"? Certainly not the families of all those soldiers killed and wounded since May 2, 2003.
-- Or the praise in his "Brownie, you are doing a heckuva job!" statement as the mess of Katrina was still underway.
-- Or Condi's "mushroom cloud" that the Bush Administration already knew could never be;
-- CIA leak case, anyone?
-- To this morning's revelation of the Bush Administration keeping the whole story about Bush Administration failures from the 9/11 Commission:
...If true, it is shocking that the administration failed to heed such an overwhelming alert from the two officials in the best position to know. Many, many questions need to be asked and answered about this revelation — questions that the 9/11 Commission would have asked, had the Commission been told about this significant meeting. Suspiciously, the Commissioners and the staff investigating the administration’s actions prior to 9/11 were never informed of the meeting. As Commissioner Jamie Gorelick pointed out, “We didn’t know about the meeting itself. I can assure you it would have been in our report if we had known to ask about it.”The Commission interviewed Condoleezza Rice privately and during public testimony; it interviewed George Tenet three times privately and during public testimony; and Cofer Black was also interviewed privately and publicly. All of them were obligated to tell the truth. Apparently, none of them described this meeting, the purpose of which clearly was central to the Commission’s investigation. Moreover, document requests to both the White House and to the CIA should have revealed the fact that this meeting took place. Now, more than two years after the release of the Commission’s report, we learn of this meeting from Bob Woodward....
And there are so many more examples, that I can't even list them all in a single post. So. Many. More.
Aren't you asking yourself this question: What else do we not know that the GOP is hiding from the public? And aren't you tired of all the hypocrisy, the lies, the cover-ups and the CYA? It's time for some accountability...America simply cannot afford to be shoved in the back seat by the GOP any longer, while they put themselves and their party's hold on power front and center in every decision.
America deserves to come first.
Had enough? It is high time for accountability -- and the only way to ensure that is to have Congress controlled by the Democrats. The Republicans have proved that they cannot be trusted to do their jobs, to uphold the Constitution or to investigate their own problems.
Restore some balance in our government and some oversight between our branches -- vote for Democrats.
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Who wants to wrestle? Maybe Denny can coach us!
YEEAAAHHRG!!!
OK, now to read the post. ;)
somehow the meme of Archbishop Dennis keeps arising …
Heard of protecting forests, clean skies, the middlde class? Now the Repugs say they protect children. Every time they assert protection of something or someone, you can bet they’re lying. But if you say something often enough, the uninformed public will believe it. Get rid of these liars. It’s time for Hastert to go!
who could have anticipated the breaching of the Levi’s ?
Just watched Skeletor Kristol get hammered by Shepherd Smith on Fox. He keeps saying add more troops. Why doesn’t Shep ask him WHERE THE FUCK those troops are going to come from? AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO WIN?!
/tantrum
*ilson46201 @ 7
They’re Wranglers
It’s me again. I just watched Meet the Press and was disgusted. DeWine was given 66% of the time and then also was permitted to interrupt Brown’s every comment, even his closing statement. Russert consistently told Brown he had 25 or 30 seconds to respond to a question or a DeWine answer, never set a time limit on DeWine.
EPU’d from last thread.
On the Foley coverage this morning I noticed no one challenging Bartlett or any of the repug heads in terms of follow up on the answers.
The question should have been,
“If they say they saw the e-mails and then did an investigation why did they NOT find out about the instant messages?
And if they did truly investigate and find out about them, why did they not ask for Foley’s resignation then and proceed with a criminal referral?”
That’s what I would have asked.
Republican insiders said Reynolds spoke out because he was angry that Hastert appeared willing to let him take the blame for the party leadership’s silence.
A House GOP leadership aide, who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of losing his job, said that Reynolds realizes he has taken a shot at his leader but that it is understandable.
“This is what happens when one member tries to throw another member under a bus,” the aide said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01265.html
This is getting good.
Hastert was a teacher - he, of all people, should know about responsibility in all this…
cando @ 10
yep, tossing a life line to Mikey?
OldCoastie at 13 — in most jurisdictions, teachers are mandatory reporters of suspected sexual harassment or abuse. Hastert certainly should have known better. (Although it has been quite a while since he was teaching — perhaps all those years in the GOP leadership stable caused him to forget his ethical obligations to protect children…)
Kissinger sounded absolutely beaten and miserable and almost nonsensical. No wonder Bush is in a world of shit (WOS)with senile old war criminals like Kissinger on the dole for opinion……
I am just waiting for The Sandman to come out and start giving these assclappers the hook.
-GSD
OldCoastie @ 13
and a wrestling coach (hot, sweaty men grappling and grasping…)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 15
yes, he should have and it disgusts me.
*ilson46201 @
17
Imagine Denny in a singlet?
Hastert:
*Hey, he didn’t fuck anyone … what’s the big deal?*
Twisted Martini: you just broke my brain.
Jane, I resign. I’m done.
That 800 number is nothing more than a Republican collection point for additional incidents that they can then attempt to head off at the pass without anyone else knowing about.
eww! where’s the eye bleach?
let’s get ready for the SMEAR . . .
oh well NAMBLA-DE-DA!!!
nothing to see here; move along.
IOKIYAR!
;-P
Twisted Martini @ 19
You’d have to make it a doublet.
-GSD
Twisted Martini @
2
ewwww……
i’ll need to evict the resultant visual before arriving at the farmers’ market
cando @
6
oh…the Healthy Forests act - “announced” by Shrub during a long-scheduled visit to the Pacific Northwest; his visit just happened to coincide with an immense forest fire. Caused by arson.
Shrub’s minions re-wrote the law and administrative regs to practically mandate logging federal lands after forest fires.
The result: light it, burn it, log it.
Set forest fires. Wait until the timber sales of the burned forest. Log the standing trees.
Leave a moonscape.
In the PNW conifer forests, a vast proportion of the biota (living matter) is in the soil and a significant amount is in the standing wood. The PNW ecosystems are adapted to and dependent upon periodic fires.
Extensive logging of burned wood after fires removes the nutrients in the standing wood and greatly accelerates eroison of the soil: nifty way to wash and log away the nutrients required for forest regeneration.
Healthy Forests = Light it, Burn it, Log it.
No Child Left Behind = We Molest Schoolkids.
War on Terror = Overthrow the Republic.
————
the farmers’ market is calling…heirlooms and stone fruit and berries and salmon.
oh my! :)
Twisted Martini @ 19
do they make them in XXXLarge ?
*ilson46201 @
5
Yeah, Archbishop J. Dennis Hastert of the diocese of Northern Illinois.
From the early thread
Denny Hastert in a . . .
Christy –
Have you read the “Adam Walsh Child Protection Act of 2006″? What are it’s penalties? If it makes internet solicitation a felony, then the ENTIRE Republican Leadership engaged in a Criminal Conspiracy to coverup a felony commited by one of their own.
EPU’d from yesterday –
shooogarp @ 128 — from Glenn:
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/
Christy Hardin Smith @ 15
Christy,
Any ideas as to what reporting requirements there are, if any, concerning the need to notify law enforcement about what Foley did? Since these pages are students at the House school, it would seem that the House would need to notify the school administration. Are there any rules at all on these issues at the federal level? Or is it make them up as they go along?
*ilson - not enough X’s…
Twisted Martini @ 19
oh.my.goddess.
blech
i think i’ll need to put up whatever comes back from the market. i won’t be hungry all week.
The only campaign slogan needed” Had enough yet?”
windje @ 29
Forget the singlet, he needs a mansierre!
And the question needs to be asked, why did they refer the problem to the head of the NRCC, instead of the House Ethics Committee?
Suggested answer:Because they first needed to contain the political consequences before dealing with the ethics and the welfare of the pages?
orangejumpsuit @ 36
Aravosis asked this very question yesterday on CNN.
The only problem I have with this commentary is that it’s 100% partisan (of course). Fact is, this is politics, it’s humanity, and it happens on both sides of the isle.
Yes, I’ll agree the Repbulicans apparently are more outwardly arrogant and self-righteous about their corrupt and unethical behaviors, but elected Democrats aren’t saints, and this is what this commentary implies.
It’s the system that is the problem here, more than which club it’s members claim to be members of.
Given these facts, I would agree that what we do need a return to is that ‘balance’ of power, the so called ‘checks and balances’ that are supposed to exist in our government rather than the one-party rule that exists at the moment.
But that’s still way short of actually fixing the roots of our bigger problems with our government system - that being that money has corrupted it beyond comprehension - whereby our representatives do not represent us little people, but rather those who lavish them with weath and power.
Having “Democrats” controll congress won’t fix our problems, as this commentary seems to imply.
Changing the system so that our self-serving representatives can’t profit personally by the system is the only real meaningful step that can be taken in that direction.
Simon
Fresno, CA
orangejumpsuit @ 36
And to protect the page’s privacy.
Same reason they gave for not investigating more when they learned of this A YEAR AGO.
Simon - tell me, when was the last time you saw a Dem molesting children and then having the Democratic leadership actively working to cover it up?
AZ Matt at 31 — well, generally, mandatory reporters are given some training in terms of what signs/red flags you look for in potential abuse cases. Here in WV, teachers are given continuing education discussions at various points in looking for physical signs (bruising, shying away from touch, sudden changes of behavior) as well as other indicators for physical and other abuse. Hastert may not have had training in terms of looking for predatory signs for grooming and other “off” signals from a potential “abuser” — but any of the former US Attorneys who serve in Congress or on the staff should have had that training from the child abuse cases they have prosecuted at any time in their legal tenure.
Don’t think I saw this one mentioned yet, sorry if it’s a dupe:
http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/flor.....17,00.html
I’m guessing Hastert’s singlet would have to be a triplet or quadruplet, at least. Quint- or sext-, in a pinch. (Ouch)
I haven’t read much from the GOP “leadership” about being outraged or surprised by this… in fact, I find the most damning part is that they aren’t surprised. they are spending all their time passing the blame. I would think the first thing soneone would say about a congressman put in charge of a child sex commission would be one of shock and anger, and I haven’t really seen statements condemning Foley. Also, the GOP specifically felt it was important enough to pass a law making 18 the age of consent for internet (sponsored by Foley),,, so either they passed a bill so Foley wouldn’t have any competition while he was cruising, they/he knew what was being done was CRIMINAL and they didn’t do anything about it but cover it up, and/or they are into the same thing.
Steve at 44 — neither have I, which is part of why I’m so disgusted with this whole mess of a story. If this wasn’t a surprise to the GOP in Congress…then what else have they known and how long have they known about it? And why was keeping Foley in this seat so much more important than the safety of the pages for years?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 45
well, I guess because power is more important than principle…
Senator Dodd is using my analogy with the Catholic Church in the GOP Leadership’s mishandling of this scandal !
Simon, have you read “Crashing the Gates”? We can only fix the govt in incremental steps and step 1 is electing Dems to reactivate checks and balances. Step 2 is ActBlue, essentially, getting progressive candidates within the party.
“oh…the Healthy Forests act - “announced” by Shrub during a long-scheduled visit to the Pacific Northwest; his visit just happened to coincide with an immense forest fire. Caused by arson.”
While the Biscuit fire was HUGE, and the Healthy Forests act a sham and a pay-off to the timber industry (thanks rubber stamper Walden!), I do believe it was started by lightning.
Is there any truth to the rumor that the wingnuts “outed the page” in retaliation?
Steve @ 50
If they haven’t yet, they’re working on it - you can be sure!
Nothing to see here, people. Move along. Just fulfilling Our Leader’s mandate in the No Child’s Behind Left Alone Act….
Christy @ 41,
That is my understanding in working with young people here. I work in a position were if I suspect something I must report to law enforcement. For instance, a school does not investigate, law enforcement does. I think most states have similiar requirements on reporting. But in the Federal District and on Capitol Hill??
Great post Christy. Listening to Wolf this morning, I realized I may have inadvertently used the wrong first name for Mark Foley in the previous thread. Anybody who can correct, would much appreciate.
We got a strong reminder this week of why this election to replace science and medical research-hating Republicans matters so much. Please support stem cell research, everyone, and the candidates who support it. We’ve lost so much ground in the last 5 plus years on so many fronts. We must take back our democracy from The Deciderer and his Rubber Stamp Congress.
Republicans beguile with lies then do their worst….
Hemlock for Gadflies @ 52
that’s awful … funny! … but awful
I just can’t shake the image of boosh and the rethug congress using the “snowflake” children, elizabeth smart, adam walsh & his dead son, and lacie peterson & her unborn, slain child as props for their “protecting the children above all else” legislation.
They use them and actually allow abuse of them.
The worst kind of con job is just another day in the lives of these low life, power at any cost “leaders”.
Here is what concerns me.
It’s the plumbers that ensure all the dirty little secrets come out on their own schedule.
*ilson46201 @
47
Great catch *ilson.
I hope Dodd and others emphasize “hierarchy” and “Archbishop.” I want all those Roman Catholics voting blue in November.
What do Dr. James Dobson and Focus on the Family have to say about the GOP (Grievous Old Pederasts) cover-up to enable ongoing pedophilia? How is Dobbie gonna make this one fit into the Values Voting scheme?
ilson@51 I have only seen one mention of it and now I can’t fine the source. I assume if it has been done, it is the usual name, address, phone # so the death threats will find a home. Sick, sick
rat bastahd @ 49
Hi rat -
Thanks for your observation! I do believe the Biscuit fire was started by lightning.
The fire(s) I’m referring to are fires which burnt a different area of Oregon (can’t recall if east or west of Cascades, but think it was around Roseburg….)
I think it may have been 2002 or 2003…..
Sorry for my lack of precison; thanks for your keen observatons.
The details are on the stumps list at the native forest council website (and soewhere in my old email inboxes) but I don’t have the time to grab them this morning.
If desired, I can find them later on. This “convergence” of arson and pres photo-op/timber industry policy was widely noted by enviros, IIRC.
The MSM missed it completely, natch… (Oooh, look at the smoke and fire. Hey - is that a shiny object! Look - big trucks and planes! Whee - video!)
I digress.
*ilson46201 @ 51
That would be a major political misstep, in my opinion. One of the few things the Republicans have in their favor at the moment is that the victim doesn’t have a face. It’s one thing to hear “16-year-old boy”. It’s quite another to see a kid who really looks 16. Also, the kid isn’t talking at the moment, which helps the GOP. The last thing they need is for him to say, “My friends John and Josh and Sam and Stu all told me they got the same kind of e-mails.”
Rasmussen poll on Bush Job approval ratings — slightly down to 40 percent, just prior to avalanche of news wrt to “In Denial”
Rasmussen: Bush JAR Oct 1
Fair enough, as far as it goes, but isn’t there another layer to this? Look at how quickly Alexander, Boehner and Reynolds (at least semi-independently) were willing to throw Hastert under the bus yesterday. Many times, we’ve seen the GOP leadership in the House or the Senate or at the party level circle their wagons, but the Foley story blew up too fast for them to do that quickly enough. Thus we see that there really isn’t a Republican party, not in the sense of showing any overall unity when the shit really hits the fan. We’ve known that for a while about the base–that the corporatists and the fundamentalists would cheerfully kill each other’s grandmothers if there was enough gain, and that any essential unity was purely provisional until they felt that they had securely taken control of the whole shebang. In the last two days, we’ve seen incontrovertible evidence that the party leadership is no less fractured and no less willing to eat itself if taken by surprise.
Seems to me that the objective now should be the exploitation of the fractures we’ve seen–the inconsistencies and contradictions that popped up because the GOP House leadership didn’t have its story sorted out. They’ll try to sort it out now, of course, but if the initial contradictions become the focus of the discourse, it may well be too late for that.
Or, as a certain therapod might say:
Attack! Attaaaaack! Attaaaaaaaaaack!
But, but Time says the RNC remains calm and will outGOTV all comers;
http://www.time.com/time/magaz.....37,00.html
OldCoastie @ 13
Doesn’t that conclusion assume either good faith or competence on Hastert’s part?
Child abuse is kin to no political party. This crime against humanity is partial to no economic, ethnic, or social strata.
Excellent as usual Christy
Um, can I just throw out a lil’ question here?
IS THERE ONE SEXUALLY WELL-ADJUSTED ADULT REPUBLICAN ANYWHERE ON THIS FREAKING PLANET?
Simon at 9:38 am, if you continue to read FDL, you’ll learn that there are some of us, who were raised Barry Goldwater Republicans, sprinkled in with the majority of life time Democrats. Above all, however, we are Americans who believe in the Constitution and the rule of law.
Twisted Martini @ 19
That’s it, I’m becoming a hermit.
EvilDrPuma @ 71
I’m really hoping darkblack puts in an appearance today.
Twisted Martini @ 35
No, it’s a bro!
Newsweek’s Richard Wolfe and Evan Thomas on Bush Admin struggling to spin away from Woodward:
Newsweek on Woodward
Why hasnt Foley been arrested as would any one else?
OH, AND AS LONG AS I’VE GOT CAP LOCKS ON - KEEP THE FAITH, THE PEDOPHILE ENABLERS ARE NOT IN THE CATBIRD SEAT!
Simon @ 38
I must point out that the attempted coverup–including the failure to even report this issue on the Democratic side of the aisle so that the Dems might try to protect their pages–is itself one hundred percent partisan. Hastert and company have made their bed, and it’s time to bloody well make them lie in it.
moeman @ 66
I read it. Pretty stunning. Snowmobiles???? For the first time I thought, maybe the voting machines weren’t fixed. Maybe they did locate all those GOP leaning people and get them to the polls. Do we have that kind of science behind us or do we just depend on righteous indignation, rage to get people to the polls?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 68
that’s true. what is going to be troubling to the “base” that crows about their values though, is that it appears that this coverup is part of the intrinsic values of an all powerful party. They aren’t exactly the paragons of virtue that they purported to be. I do believe that there are some that will be very angry that it did not remain covered up.
Oklahoma kiddo @
68
Agreed. And along those lines, last night while watching CNN, I caught part of a segment on PredatorGate. It seemed CNN had put up a phone number for people to call and leave a message about the scandal. Every call I heard was livid. No one defended or minimized or rationalized this away. No one.
*ilson46201 @ 47
Good! That analogy has some legs.
kirk murphy, I also believe it was the Biscuit fire Bush was visiting (with Walden) when they announced the Orwellian Healthy Forests act.
Anyone know anything about this?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/100106Y.shtml
A previously undisclosed nine-page memorandum drafted in June 2005 by Defense and State Department officials urged the Bush administration to seek Congressional approval for its detention policies. The memo so angered Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld that his aides gathered up copies of the document and had at least some of them shredded.
ooh - here’s a reference on the Bush/Arson conjunction of August, 2003 -
The Oregonian is the state’s major paper.
[the copy of the Oregonian article is stored on portland indymedia, which is…well…nevermind]
I belive the “B&B” complex fires were not shown to be caused by lightning or known accident, but those reference await the market.
Bush visit/arson article - Oregonian
Forest fires’ timing sets tongues wagging
08/27/03
MICHAEL MILSTEIN
An emerging whodunit in Central Oregon hovers amid the smoke draping the east side of the Cascade Range.
Can it be pure coincidence, locals are asking, that two wildfires sprang up in view of the spot where President Bush planned to promote his plan to thin forests for wildfire prevention?
And that they both appeared just as his plans emerged?
“I think everyone in the community here is wondering that,” said Judy Wattier, who works at the KOA Campground just east of Sisters, where business is in the doldrums because of the blazes that have covered almost 40,000 acres in the nearby Deschutes National Forest. “Everyone I’ve mentioned it to can talk about it for hours.”
There are whispered conspiracy theories, even rumors of mysterious black helicopters clattering over the forest shortly before the fires were spotted the afternoon of Aug. 19, two days before the president’s visit.
But perhaps folks can be forgiven for that, because there really were black helicopters clattering over the forest.
“Typically the Secret Service does all kinds of aerial surveillance before the president comes in,” said Don Ferguson, an information officer for what have become known as the B&B complex fires. “They pretty much know the location of every tree.”
The president had planned to speak in Camp Sherman, but the fires forced the evacuation of the small resort town about the time he would arrive. He flew over the blazes in Marine One and spoke in Redmond instead.
U.S. Forest Service Chief Dale Bosworth, Oregon Gov. Ted Kulongoski and White House press officers fended off questions from reporters at the speech about the curious timing of the fires. “It would be inappropriate for us to speculate about that,” presidential spokesman Ken Lisaius said.
Ferguson said he’s taken several calls from area residents saying they think the fires appear suspicious.
This much is known: No lightning that might have sparked fires had struck the area for at least 11 days before the twin blazes were sighted, according to the Northwest Interagency Coordination Center in Portland. The Central Oregon Dispatch Center in Prineville first suggested lightning had hit a few days before, but meteorologists checked records and dispelled that.
Trees or debris ignited by lightning may smolder for a few days before blooming into a blaze. But 11 days is an awfully long time to wait.
“It is unusual, but not unprecedented,” Ferguson said. A lightning-caused fire near Ashland sputtered for 10 days before taking off earlier this year, he said.
The coincidences multiply considering the two fires erupted about 10 miles apart at almost the same time, although winds that whipped through the region might explain that. The Booth fire started near Round Lake, a camping spot next to the Mount Jefferson Wilderness, while the Bear Butte fire began in the wilderness, away from roads.
The Central Oregon Arson Task Force will investigate the blazes, but flames have kept officers from beginning their inquiry.
Lightning starts about 15 percent of wildfires, according to the National Interagency Fire Center.
People start the rest. Michael Milstein: 503-294-7689; michaelmilstein@news.oregonian.com
*ilson46201 @
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Now they are all working on the fly to try and selvedge the situation. Watching these people work off the cuff while trying to fabricate a new spin makes me a bit loopy. Perhaps they will learn to buckle down and cut off criminals who come unbuttoned at the office.
No matter what we now have a new addition to our wardrobe, the Tin Foley Hat.
Tst, tst, and anyway, that is the same thing as Clinton did to Monica…anyways again Bill was hitting on Demi Moore. What a bunch of cynical-hypocrites-low life people the Republicans are.
Hush money? Here’s a post, linked at HuffPo, that claims that the National Repub. Campaign Committee received $100,000 contribution from Foley.
Foley contribution: report
I haven’t seen this confirmed anywhere.
angie @ 79
Absolutely. You are correct. The Republicans are surpassed in their brutality by only one thing, as far as I am able to discern. And that would be their seemingly innate proclivity for hypocrisy.
Oilfieldguy @ 57
Oilfield Guy and Christy: I posted late last night on the scampering cockroach thread that an editorial defense in the St. Petersburg Times stated that the boy had shown the e-mails to a staffer of Rep. Alexander when he got them and asked if they “crossed the line”. The paper’s editors had a copy of this e-mail last November! If that plea for help was ignored or pipelined into the STFU/Coverup it seems to have been, then there is definitely grounds for prosecution starting right there.
I am a mandated reporter here in Florida and we are told every year, in no uncertain terms, that it is not OUR job to determine the truth of accusations made but simply to report them to the proper authorities and let them investigate. You can even report anonymously if you feel so inclined. It was the same when I lived in NYC. I can’t believe that Washington, DC has laws that are that much different.
And now that ABC is reporting that at least 5 other pages have come forward, this sounds to me like a world-class, career-ending, prosecution-engendering scandal to me.
From Atrios:
Oh my. Payola?
snowbird42 @ 75
There is a blurb on one of the many online papers I read this morning (maybe the Palm Beach Post?) that Florida authorities and the FBI are working out the jurisdiction for that right now.
rat bastahd @ 82
rat bastahd, i believe you are absolutely right. I think I’ve been confusing which evil forest-raping policy was “announced” on Bush’s different uses of Oregon as a backdrop for Armagededdon imagery. Thanks for keeping my fuzzy forest mind on the path of accuracy.
Might I make the observation and perhaps generalization, that abuse of kids, by so called adults, is NOT religion or gender specific?
Dennis Hastert will be stepping down soon for “health reasons”.
-GSD
My prediction.
Good synopsis, Christy!
All this brings me back to my late childhood/early adolescance in ways I’m not prepared to discuss here. But since that time, I’ve been wary of people who volunteer at schools, scouting, child and youth coaching and church youth activities. That plus working (earlier in my life) for thirteen years in public safety (fire, police and corrections administration) makes me very, very, very angry at the GOP and their handling of the Foley matter from day one to this very second.
The pressure needs to be applied for the resignation of Boehner, Hastert, Reynolds, all members of the House Congressional Page Program and every member of congress or congressional employee who had knowledge of Foley’s conduct and failed to take the matter as seriously as you would want it to be taken had your own son or daughter been solicited.
I sent this to my representative, Don Young, yesterday:
Dear Rep. Young.
About a year ago, House Majority Leader Dennis Hastert was told that Rep.