
The United States House of Representatives passed a resolution yesterday that was proposed by Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), by a vote of 410 – 0, regarding the need for an ethics investigation not only into the alleged actions of Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL), but also the need to know when the Republican leadership in the House was notified of the multiple e-mails sent to teenage House pages and why the Republican leadership never even bothered to notify the Democratic leadership that there was a potential problem of sexual harassment or worse with one of their members — for more than ten months. The resolution read as follows:
Whereas for more than 150 years, parents from across the country have sent their children to be pages in the U.S. Capitol, the Page School is a national treasure, and the children who attend it and work in the Congress are our special trust;
Whereas, according to press reports, Representative Mark Foley (R-FL) reportedly engaged in highly inappropriate and explicit communications with a former underage page;
Whereas these allegations were so severe that Representative Foley immediately resigned his seat;
Whereas the page worked for Representative Rodney Alexander (R-LA) and, according to press reports, Representative Alexander learned of the emails "10 to 11 months ago"; (AP, September 29, 2006)
Whereas Representative Alexander has said, "We also notified the House leadership that there might be a potential problem", and the Democratic leadership was not informed; (AP, September 29, 2006)
Whereas all Members of Congress have a responsibility to protect their employees, especially young pages who serve this institution;
Whereas these charges demand immediate investigation, including a determination of when the emails were sent, who knew of the emails, whether there was a pattern of inappropriate activity by Mr. Foley involving email or other contacts with pages or former pages, when the Republican leadership was notified, and what corrective action was taken once officials learned of any improper activity;
Whereas given the serious nature of these charges, the pages, their parents, the public, and our colleagues must be assured that Congress will take responsibility that such egregious behavior is not tolerated and will never happen again;
Therefore be it resolved,
That the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct shall immediately appoint an Investigative Subcommittee to fully and expeditiously determine the facts connected with Representative Foley's conduct and the response thereto; and
That Committee on Standards of Official Conduct is further directed to make a preliminary report to the House within ten days. (emphasis mine)
Let me be crystal clear here: these are teenage children who are given an honorary position due to their exceptional grades, their outstanding community service work and any number of other reasons. They are working in the United States House of Representatives. They are teenagers.
And the Republican leadership was aware that an elected Republican representative was sending personal e-mails and IMs to various teenage pages — but either didn't investigate any more closely to see if they were wholly inappropriate and/or sexually explicit or what, according to Hastert's hemming and hawing in the WaPo this morning…and they did not tell the Democratic leadership nor did they take any overt actions from what I've been able to ascertain to remove this Republican representative from contact with these teenagers other than telling him to act more appropriately.
This is NOT acceptable in any way, shape or form — and it was an invitation to Rep. Foley to simply continue his alleged conduct, which was unacceptable and, at the very least, sexually harassing of these pages — who were not old enough to be expected to deal with the differences in age and power between themselves and this flirtatious letch of an elected official.
The ick factor alone on this is disgusting, but it is the utter lack of fiduciary care for the children involved that disgusts me the most.
Writing as both a mother and as a former prosecutor, I am appalled at the gall of the Republican leadership to keep this from the Democratic side of the aisle. Did all the GOP members know? If so, why weren't the pages on the Democratic side just as important to keep safe — to be warned about potential problems with the GOP Representative? And if they didn't bother to tell the whole of the GOP caucus either, what does that say about the relative value of these kids' safety versus the political calculation about keeping a lid on all of this mess? Was this all about staying quiet to save some GOP political hide? So much for those family values…
Aren't the kids who were serving as pages in the House and Senate more important than some political consideration — didn't Denny Hastert and John Boehner and Roy Blunt and Tom DeLay and all the rest owe something to the parents of these children beyond "well, we want to stay in power, so we'll keep our mouths shut and hope he doesn't hit on any more boys until after the election?"
Look, I can understand a desire to win an election with the best of them — but this goes a lot deeper. If you have a person who is allegedly predisposed to be attracted to very young kids, that predisposition does not go away because you say "don't send any more e-mails, mmm-kay?".
And in this case, you have kids who are living in DC as pages, perhaps away from their homes for the first time, around very powerful people — and you put them in a situation where an elected official wants to discuss in detail what they do when they masturbate…and at the age of fifteen or sixteen, they are supposed to know to do what, exactly? But the GOP Leadership didn't even bother to look into this enough to see that's what was going on — or did they, and they just didn't take the steps to protect kids from this? Who the hell knows at this point, because it's turned into all CYA, alla time.
The adults in this situation, who were apprised of the problem, ought to have intervened on these kids' behalf. I'm sorry, but there it is. And from what I can tell, the GOP leadership has devolved into "woulda, coulda, shoulda" this morning — with Boehner pointing the finger at Hastert, and then taking it back, and Hastert playing dumb. Someone dropped a whole lot of balls on this one — and that is simply not acceptable. Does no one in the entire GOP know how to take responsibility?
And the worst thing is, every parent whose child was a House page for the last 16 years that Foley has been in the House is now thinking "did he do this with my child?" and worse "how far did he go — was it just talk, or did he get further?"
This is NOT acceptable. And the GOP leadership in the House had better have some answers beyond "I don't know — I thought he was looking into it." Our nation's children are more valuable to all of us than that.
(The NYTimes has more.)



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Fitz!
CHRISTY!
we’re fucked!
Foleygate!!!!
Huffington Post has the story as their lead article, with a 3-picture spread: Foley flanked by Boehner and Hastert.
It’s not going away. Despicable! Disgusting! Foley and all his enablers! NO excuses can cover this up.
For anyone needing a diversion, Bob Geiger has the Saturday cartoons up. Some aren’t funny so much as painful, but they are all spot on this morning.
More behavior from the Corrupt Bastards Club that should disgust and shame, but may be acceptable to a nation that has decided that torture is OK.
Repeating from late in the last thread:
Josh at TPM is reporting that last year the House Clerk, one of three people on the committee responsible for pages, resigned shortly after the page committee (fruitlessly) interviewed Foley.
He leaves us to connect the dots…
EPU’d from previous thread, & thoroughly appropriate here IMHO -
Dear Christy
I deeply admire your ability to remain focused even when deeply angry, and to channel that anger twd achieving positive ends.
Having lived most of my life with “joint issues” of my own, I sympathize with what you must be coping with on a daily basis. I wish you good health and great happiness.
You are an inspiration!
John @
3
The question:
What did Denny Hastert say when informed of Mark Foley’s extra-curricular hobbies?
Christy,
Do you have a link to future speaker Pelosi’s resolution?
“This is NOT acceptable in any way, shape or form” neither is anything else these pricks get away with but this one is more likely to cross over into the warped muddy minds of their own. Watch out! something else big would need to happen to push this one away.
OFG at 11 — no, I don’t have a link — I got a copy of the resolution via e-mail from someone on her staff. Although they are usually very good about putting things up on her website…I’ll try and check there in a bit.
GOP = Grand Obscenity Party. And, pray tell, where is the outrage from the pious demagogues/vulgarians and media whores? This Vast Right Wing conspiracy to protect pediophiles amongst their ranks is simply beyond the pale.
First rate writing as ever dear Christy!
This is outrageous.
Any parent that votes for these people is clearly lost to propaganda.
Maybe the Dem leadership can’t pound this point home but as a (foster) mother, I have been telling every mother I know about this and how the war is killing off a generation of Americans.Both show their disgusting nonchalance for the welfare of our children (along with the raping of the eucation funds and the killing off of the middle class)
I have ended with: The Republicns are coming for our sons an daughters one way or another.
Even my cousin, a redneck upstate, related to that as a mother and yelled at her redneck husband about the perverts.
The really frightening thing is that we really don’t know the extent of the damage to our country. Maybe
It is pretty clear that Dennis Hastert is culpable under the law for harboring a sex offender. He knew; he permitted it to continue; he is an accessory both before and after the fact. He must resign from the Speakership immediately. The people of Illinois should recall him from office. The Republicans should be swept out of office.
This is so sad. I was sexually molested as a 14-year-old by a Presbyterian minister from another church (I was at a church camp.) I went to my minister (I should have gone to my dad and the police with this) and nothing … absolutely nothing, was done about it. Hopefully this will shed some light on the very real topic of men in authority taking advantage of teenagers.
Robert Reardon @ 18
I am sorry for your pain. It is all about power and domination. ;(
If that had been my son, and the Leadership had not jettisoned Foley the instant of the complaint, I’d have gone ballistic, public and/or postal.
And if Rahm Emmanuel can’t move the ball over the goal line at this point, he’s a Republican mole.
Criminal and creepy. I remember being outraged in the early 90’s when allegations of harrasment were made by many women against Senator Bob Packwood. But all parties involved were adults, and no one attempted to cover up the allegations.
This involves children.
I’m a gay man. I don’t have children. But if I did, Foley (and his ilk) are exactly the kind of men I’d warn my sons and daughters to be careful of. The abuse of power is so great, and the damage caused so pernicious there is no excuse for action not being taken immediately.
There is nothing about this that is OK. I’m fighting the urge to be snarky, because the anger and the pain that I feel about this is intense, and I’m not at all sure that I want to express it.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 6
Thanks CHS, that last one was terrific. I had to post it over on Not Larry Sabato.
Last thread, Professor Foland said (with 0% snark) that god has handed us a gift in this. Please, god, don’t let the Dems, the media, the country piddle this gift away. Don’t let the bad guys take it back.
My mother worked at USC, in the office that found placement for political interns on the hill. She would have been disgusted but hardly surprised at this mess.
She died before Monicagate. From the early 80’s on, every female intern (and maybe the guys, too, but I only know about this) went through a 4 hour workshop on”How to Avoid Clumsy, Slimy Advances from the Critters You Work For and Still Keep Your Job”. It was a yuck fest mostly, but delivered real-life warnings and was considered essential knowledge. They were encouraged to report any come-on to the program director and he’d have a little chat with the offender.
Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose. (Please feel free to add your own interpretive accent marks to this phrase)
Oblogov @ 17
Am forwarding this on to everyone I know in my old home state of Illinois – the good people of Illinois shouldn’t have to recall Hastert, rather he should resign in disgrace this weekend for protecting/harboring a sex offender and violating his oath of office.
CHS -> A few questions. As of this point, there’s no evidence of there being actual sexual contact. Yet. In your experience, however, I’m wondering whether this may trip some predator/stalker kind of criminal statute. I’m trying to figure out which jurisdiction would kick in. Florida? Louisiana (one of the pages was apparently from LA)? DC? I’m not quite sure where the e-mails and IMs were sent from – whether from DC or from Folye’s Florida fiefdom…if state lines were “crossed” via the internet would federal laws kick in.
I realize this begs the larger question of these actions being morally reprehensible and, as Foley wrote about Clinton in 1998, vile. That goes without saying. I’m just trying to figure out whether criminal violation may have been committed and if so which jurisdiction (with different ages of consent) may be applicable.
Thanks for this post, BTW.
I signed a petition a long time ago to make sure my kid didn’t have his info forwarded to the military recruiters. I think the group was called Leave My Child Alone, maybe they have a new campaign to wage?
I don’t know what happened @16..I trying out my new Mac.
To continue..We don’t know the extent of damage that has been done to our country. Maybe
I don’t have cable–does anyone have updates or anecdotes on how this is being played in the MSM? This really matters because unless some other law enforcement agency gets involved it’s going to be left to the House ethics panel to investigate, which will be as effective as delegating it to my Yellow Lab.
Does anyone have any professional insight into how an ethics panel works? It will be lead by a Republican–can he or she squash it as they deem fit, even if the Dems on the panel are finding out stuff? There’s no way in hell the Republicans will investigate themselves, regardless of the crime they’re looking into.
btw, everyone, we have Steve Porter from PA-03 for today’s Blue America. :)
The House cannot conduct an investigation. They have PROVEN they do not have the necessary integrity to expose any wrong doing, crimes, ethics violations, etc. What is needed is a special prosecutor NOW to investigate. This should be the mantra from every Democrat in the House and Senate from now to election day and beyond. The corruption in the GOP is a cancer on America.
The text of Pelosi’s Resolution can be found here:
http://democraticleader.house……aseID=1844
Foley’s behavior is obviously wrong, sick, and anti-social. I don’t think being a mother or a parent provides one with any special moral insight to see that. Any right-thinking adult would be disgusted by this.
#23 must be that republican god we keep hearing about cause a gift like that is pretty fucked.
mayan at 25 — there are a lot of potential things that could some into play, and I would bet that local and federal authorities are looking into some of this after the more explicit emails came to light yesterday. It could be anything from a misdemeanor contributing to the delinquency of a minor to a potential federal child investigation, depending on the age of the child, any photos that may or may not have passed between them and extent of contact, etc. The facts will be what they will be — but there are certainly some substantial questions about sexual harassment and abose of power that need to be answered at the very least on this.
What is really bad is how Boehner has changed his story. Last night’s WaPo had this:
Today that same paragraph reads as follows:
(emphasis mine)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01574.html
So let’s get this straight. The Majority Leader of the House hears that one of his people are involved in possible sex crimes involving minors and can’t remember if he informed other members of the leadership? And if Boehner didn’t talk to Hastert about it, then how did he react? Did he sit back and choose to ignore this news?
This is totally unacceptable for any Republican or Democrat. It is obvious they are still trying to cover up the facts of this matter.
Would this matter not automatically become the subject of a police and/or child protection investigation? Now that it has been made public?
I’m assuming that in Washington it is a criminal offense not to report child abuse to child protection or law enforcement authorities.
Jamie @ 35
What’s even worse that Hastert changing is story is WaPo obliginingly re-writing theirs. I guess the callow twit who ended up with the Graham legacy really needs to suck up to power.
Off to the oaks…..
What are the laws in Washington DC about reporting Suspected child sex abuse?
Who is a mandated reporter?
Did those republican congressmen violate this law? If not legally they sure did morally and ethically.
That is the main response of this republican administration and party.
If the American people cannot see how morally and ethically challanged this group is, there is no hope.
They are supposed christians upholing the christian right “values”, yet they lie, steal deny and put the “PARTY” before the good of the people.
They should be ashamed of their actions and others should be ashamed for keeping them in office.
Jamie @ 35
It may be Boehner couldn’t remember which sleazebag Republican he talked to Hastert about, there being such a wealth of possible candidates.
Fern–yeah, that’s what I’m wondering too, doesn’t this trigger law-enforcement reactions from any number of possible agencies?
I mean, this is a criminal case, right?
Other question: Where is Foley as we speak? He’s going to be a footnote in this whole story soon enough, but I’m wondering if and when he’s going to be arrested, and by whom. DC cops?
I know you hate OTs, but you really can’t afford to miss this post on DailyKos: Deconstructing the Constitution, One Clause at a Time. It’s a summary of an op-ed piece by Erwin Chereminsky in the WaPo. The House, unbeknownst to most of us, has passed a bill which states that attorneys who successfully challenge the government’s actions in matters of separation of church and state will not be entitled to recover their attorney fees. As if we didn’t have enought to worry about! Here is another example of Bush and his rubber-stamp congress trying to take out the Constitution.
The coverup will not end until we elect non-incumbents in November.
Thanks Jamie.
the wapo should be ashamed, yet again.
This is the guy they put in charge of writing laws to protect kids from sexual predators. An effing pederast.
Well, I guess the last isn’t quite proven. He’s just committed pederasty in his heart. Does that matter?
And these bozos are protecting the pederast, not the kids.
There’s the bumper sticker.
ppp @
33
The righteous gift was not Foley’s acts, but their coming into the light.
angie, I was EPU’d in the last thread. This is what I wrote:
Angie, you say, “I know he’s a member of the good ole boys club. Please tell me your take on Cantor being Foley’s boss.”
Cantor and Foley are both on the Ways and Means Committee, yes. But Foley is/was Deputy Majority Whip, and the icky Cantor is Chief Deputy Majority Whip. That’s why I wonder what Cantor knows.
Republican
Congressional
Pedophile
Ring
Well, the idiotic media never quit. On MSNBC, the question is about who voters would rather drink a beer with or have babysit their children.
Why didn’t the Democrat say “Was this poll taken after we learned about Congressman Foley and the Republican leadership’s failure to protect the children who work at the Capitol?”
From the NYTimes:
Then from CNN:
It seems that Pelosi’s Resolution itself didn’t pass, but DID force the issue to be sent to the Ethics Committee. Or am I missing something?
Dana– likewise epu’d with my response:
lawdy mercy. Cantor has gotta know. blergh…
I pray that some intrepid reporter is able to penetrate this morass and that the American people have the stomach to deal with it.
I really don’t understand why everyone is so upset about this. The Republicans have been fucking everybody else what’s the problem with a few kids?
Oh…that’s right…it’s more than a few…
By the way where have you folks been on this issue?
Been an open secret for some good long time now.
Zergle — it is my understanding that what passed was Pelosi’s resolution to refer the matter for investigation by the Ethics Committee. Not sure where the NYTimes got their info., but I got it directly from a member of Pelosi’s top staff.
@ 10 – I never knew Carnack’s first name was Balrog. ;)
This does give that much more validity to Dean’s strategy(Foley’s seat) and I am so hoping that this can tie around Hastert like a lead weight, bc I think John Laesch may well be one of the best things to happen to politics in the Midwest. If someone sees the presser, post an update.
Some things are just absolutely unacceptable. In Republicans and in Democrats. Many children are suffering more than email ick bc of our torture and detention policies – directly or through loss of disappeared fathers and brothers. How many mothers are worried about exercises of power over their children even more egregious – all with no protections?
Anyway, Hostettler is sure not going to like questions about Republican House cover ups of child sexual predators and he’ll be asked. More than once, in more than one forum. Not the kind of thing to rouse his base. DCCC should consider response ads to the the those Pelosi ads. The “threat” of Pelosi “raising taxes” (like anyone doesn’t think that is going to happen anyway) vs a Speaker who covers up for child predators and the “threat” of billions gone completely missing, without investigation, and more billions squandered in Iraq and Katrina and the “threat” that it will go on and on unchecked – no real challenge which of those is more concerning around these parts. And Hastert has even scarier and creepier “drunken binge with a gavel” types of pictures that they could use.
Yeah, I’m starting to wonder if it’s a spin attempt or not. Reading the CNN bit looks like it was blocked outright, then they all agreed to go to committee as if that was something different. Weird.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 51
My understanding was that Pelosi demanded a bi-partisan investigation be undertaken; Boehner opted instead for the Ethics (or not) committee.
My question:
What the FUCK is wrong with these people? Where is the integrity, the decency, and the very simple moral courage to do the right thing!?!?!
Someone upthread said that this is the perfect example of what to warn our kids about. Indeed.
Special place in hell for these types of people..blah blah.
{punching pillowzsdkszlzsdzkz,kslamming keyboard}
More from ABC
It’s seems as though the stories don’t jive. Here they are saying it was the Republicans who “engineered the vote”.
I’m gonna keep digging….
Maybe I am just being particularly pissy this morning, but why are the pundits on teevee this morning instead of Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the dems screaming their bloody heads off?
Carpe diem, please.
Jamie @ 9:48 am -
John Boehner has been Majority Leader of the House of Representatives since early February of this year. Roy Blunt was the interim Majority Leader of the House from late September of last year until John Boehner took over. Before late September 2005, Tom DeLay was House Majority Leader, succeeding Dick Armey in 2003.
How long has Mark Foley engaged in inappropriate behavior with House pages? Did he start before Tom DeLay became House Majority Leader? Which House majority leaders and House speakers have been aware of Mark Foley’s improper conduct? For how long have they been aware of it?
Balrog @ 54
What’s the core difference? Is it that by going to the Ethics comittee it helps avoid looking at the GOP leadership?
angie at 57 — the teevee producers decide who gets booked to discuss this. The Dems may try to get on but…well, they aren’t in charge of booking.
Here is my EPU’d post on the get-out-of-jail clause in the final version of the MCA. It’s a bit different from previous versions of the MCA.
PDB: FOLEY DETERMINED TO SEND EMAILS TO UNDERAGE PAGES
Seriously, the point Democrats should be making is: If the Republicans can’t do the right thing to protect minors from sexual predators within the confines of their own building, how can they be trusted with the security of the country?
Wow, I can edit!
What did the Leader and the Speaker know, and when did they know it?
Zergle – right now the Ethics Committee is Rep Controlled (and with the changes they made to keep Delay from getting smacked anymore – very controlled). If they get to decide whether or not an investigation is in order, they can control any spin.
LOL…I can’t believe I’m saying this, but this is one time where I don’t think the Dems really need to say a whole lot. Messing with minors crosses a pretty distinct line no matter what a person’s political affiliations are. This is one time where the facts just need to keep coming. Lets just watch them squirm. Once we get some results out of the comittee, then maybe we can start speaking up a bit more.
Mary @ 64
Well frak.
As long as we are on the subject of family values, last night the Senate rejected a motion to invoke cloture on a repellent little Republican bill known as the Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act whose aim is “to prohibit taking minors across State lines in circumvention of laws requiring the involvement of parents in abortion decisions.” The vote was 57-42 and so failed to get the necessary 60 votes for cloture.
Republicans: Chafee (R-RI), Collins (R-ME), Snowe (R-ME), Specter (R-PA) voted with Democrats to reject cloture.
Democrats who voted for cloture included our good friend Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) who worked with Bill Frist to trash the foundational legal principle of habeas corpus as well as Byrd (D-WV), Johnson (D-SD), Landrieu (D-LA), Nelson (D-NE), and Pryor (D-AR).
BTW does anyone know of any example where Ben Nelson of Nebraska voted against Republicans and with Democrats?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 60
Christy, then a presser on the steps of the Capitol might be in order. They could sing a song like “He’s Got The Whole World in His Hands” and fly our flag, too while surrounded by children.
If you build it, they will come.
Pelosi’s press release is available here:
http://releases.usnewswire.com…..p?id=73534
It ends with this part from her resolution:
So it was Pelosi’s resolution for this to go to the ethic’s committee. If there was some wrangling to change who it was referred to prior to the motion remains to be unseen. The clerk won’t have yesterday’s actions up until Monday.
Breaking news: Michael Jackson to replace Mehlman as RNC chair. Developing . . .
Well, the important thing is this guy is away from the pages now. What I will be anxious to see is just how many pages come out over the next few days stating that they were also the recipients of his flirtations. What will be VERY interesting is whether or not any of those pages reported it only to be ignored as well.
I think there are many, MANY, more cycles to this story.
OT –
Oilfieldguy -
I thought of you the other day while I was driving on some backroads south of Pinedale, Wyoming. Drill rigs everywhere. The last time I drove this road which follows the Green River (I was photographing fall colors) the road was just this tiny little dirt road and lots of space. Now it is a heavy duty haul road. Sigh.
I know it is how you make a living, but does it ever get to you on some level? I mean, in some places they were drilling in the freakin’ flood plain of the Green River for christ sakes!
Simple question: Does the House recess now? So the ethics committee does nothing for six weeks while this story dies?
The Dems, IMHO, should be talking loudly everyday to every outlet on this. They are justified, and there is no political downside (Rove can’t spin this).
From the Raw Story headline on the Foley manuever:
Foley blasted ‘vile’ Clinton in 1998 for his ’sad sexual addiction’
I’m tellin’ ya, any opposition research for the 2008 elections should focus on the projections coming from the right. What they castigate us most for in public is what they are covering up in themselves.
Look how many holier-than-thou Rethugs got caught in the spotlight during Monica season. Larry Flynt has no compunctions about pulling back the curtain on their sexual hypocricy. Anyone got his number?
Realist @ 70
&)&!
One more, then I’ll shut up:
From the WP
What especially creeps me out is the following from the beginning of the 9th paragraph of the story in the New York Times linked to above:
“The page who received the first e-mail messages told ABC News that people in the program had warned his class to watch out for Mr. Foley.”
Unless I’m reading this VERY wrong, this bastard has had a reputation for this from previous years, hence the warning. Pedophiles don’t change. He’s been in Congress for 12 years….
Jamie @
69
I watched Pelosi when she presented this. She wanted a bi-partisan committee to investigate this. Boehner said no, it should go to the Ethics (or not) committee. He quickly asked for a verbal vote which passed. Pelosi then demanded and got a counted vote, which is when she got booed.
shooogarp @ 72
Shoogarp, I rafted the Green River this August. We saw oil and gas drilling everywhere, too. We started at Flaming Gorge, just below the Wyoming border(?). There’s even an oilfield support company in Vernal, UT called TREX :)
The Utahans I spoke too were all oblivious. “Sure are glad we’re gettin’ our oil here ’stead of from those A-rabs.” The only complaint I heard in Mormon country was about how rough the roughnecks were, a bad influence on the kids.
naschkatze @
41
I was watching cspan the other day and caught part of the debate on this. It passed? Damn.
So, basically, if you win a case against the government for violating your constitutional rights, you can recover atty fees IF your complaint was based on anything except religious freedom.
This had been the most surreal week-ever!
She was booed?!
She’s insisting on an investigation into a Rep making lewd comments to a page and she gets BOOED?!
Christ these assholes are pathetic.
Mommybrain -
Did you raft through Desolation Canyon all the way to Green River, Utah?
Any more coming out?
How long ago did it start?
Close friends or relations?
Log-Cabin anyone?
You can bet this isn’t Foley’s first attempt at this crap folks. Usually pedophiles get caught after they’ve left a trail of victims behind.
This should be a criminal matter,not a political one. Ethics investigations are fine(like the GOP will dig thru this sludge,yeah,right,sure,’cause we see how well that’s been working),but this is crossing the line way past ethics. This should be a zero tolerance kind of thing,period. The fact that it’s NOT a zero tolerance thing speaks a whole library of volumes.
Plus,this dude isn’t the first repub to have this little problem,it’s documented in more than one place.
If it was a priority to make it stop it would stop. It better get REAL freaking high on some priority lists pretty damned soon or this Mom is going to start a movement to END this shit. I’m tired of these damned people and their”moral values”bull. I say to them-You got morals,then PROVE IT-NOW,NO B.S. It’s their perfect chance to do one miserable thing right in 6 yrs..
Pelosi also wanted fast track, 10 days, refused?
Shooogarp, we started at Flaming Gorge and did two day trips (logistics snafus changed our plans), then went down to Dinosaur and did Ladore Canyon. Did Deso/Grey 8 years ago. Hate the put-in, where shuttle drivers are flown in to the mesa landing strip. I hear they’ve changed that.
I love the John Wesley Powell Museum in Green River. Are you a boater?
I’m amazed at the audacity of Boehner changing his story from a detailed description of a conversation to “I don’t recall.”
Do they think they can get away with this?
Has their power fried all their brain cells?
Hey Karl!
Surprise…
rizbiz @ 88
707!
The backstory on the torture legislation – NYT Article on England-Zelikow Memo andRumsfeld, Addington, Haynes & Cheney v. Everyone else.
Describes the meeting that Jane Mayer’s piece on Mora finishes with – about the meeting to return to following Geneva Conventions.
Where only Stephen Cambone and Haynes objected.
They skip over Mora reading the whole assemblage the war crimes act.
Because the legislation pretty much takes care of that.
Harry @ 85
I’m betting that since it moved to committee that it’s on whatever track the Republicans in charge of the committee want to put it on. AKA…sometime after the elections.
An Angry Old Broad…you are ABSOLUTELY right. These guys never get caught on the first, second, or 50th attempt. It’s usually after years of activity. The biggest questions are how many pages, and did it go any further?
Ahh yes…the October Suprise.
2 days Early!
From Billmon-
My follow-up question is, when is Karl Rove going to start smearing the Dem candidate with the “Both Parties prey on young children” and the inevitable projection attacks?
“The Democratic candidate is a known sexual predator…”
If they would call Max Cleland a coward, they are capable of anything.
Does anyone want to take odds on this one?
I just issued this statement. We cannot let them get away with this. –Drew
“Holding happy hour fundraisers with people who cover-up the cyber-molestation of children should be below even the questionable morals of Don Sherwood,” said Carney campaign manager Andrew Eldredge-Martin. “Sherwood should immediately cancel his upcoming fundraisers with Hastert and Boehner. Don Sherwood has already brought Washington’s values back to the district, now he wants to bring a depraved cover-up home.”
Link:
http://www.carneyforcongress.c…..ndraisers/
I have a problem with Pelosi’s resolution last night about this mess:
It says NOTHING about a bi-partisan Investigative Subcommittee. Republicans have already had 10-plus months to shred everything and destroy records about this mess; now they get another 10 days to clean house.
Zergle — it is not enough that Foley has been removed from access to pages. He was the co-chair of an caucus affiliated with an organization that maintains a database on children across this entire country; did he have access to that database?
Who audits controls on and security of that database?
Who else might have similar access, had similar leanings as Foley, been one of Foley’s “compadres” in this situation?
We parents are FAR from done with this. The NCMEC has not yet had to explain how it will handle its relationship to Foley and this mess; somewhere in the bowels of that organization, a substantive number of children are identified in its databases without any accountability to the public.
Every law and proclamation issued by the Republicans has a hidden disclaimer. “This law does not apply to me, to any of my friends or to any large contributors”.
Isn’t this special. It’s too late to replace Foley’s name on the ballot, and it’s too late for the replacement Thug to register as a write-in candidate. So, according to a mouthpiece for the Florida Secretary of State, voter can select Foley’s name on the ballot and the votes will just be awarded to somebody else, i.e. the replacement candidate.
I tried to get into Florida election laws online, and the web site is just too labyrinthine for me. So is there anybody out there who can tell me whether it’s legal to award votes cast for one person to a different person? Or is the Republican Party enjoying an opportunity to play Calvinball with another election?
I thought the sex scandal was supposed to involve a Democrat. Oh, wait, it isn’t October yet!
For Hugh – Greg Saunders at Tom Tomorrow on the Nelson Brothers & Co. meet & greet the Senators
Hey! Maybe Hastert and Boehner can blame their ten months of inaction on the previous Congress not leaving them a “plan” for dealing with predatory pedophiles . . .
Last night the Senate also passed H.R. 6061 the Secure Fence Act 80-19 so lots of Democrats voted for this pre-election feel good, “act like we’re doing something when we’re not” turkey. It proposes to build a 700 mile long fence along a 2,000 mile border. Anyone see a problem with this? As far as I know, it hasn’t even been funded yet since the Congress has been lousy actually passing funding bills this year. I mean you have to have priorities. Are you going to cr*p on habeas corpus and approve torture or are you going to behave in a fiscally responsible manner? Decisions, decisions. The new fiscal year for our government BTW starts tomorrow.
Point made Rayne; I can’t argue with that for a second. It’s important that he’s lost access, but yeah, we need to know what he was doing with all that access he had.
The idea that a cover-up on this has already been attempted is below pathetic. The fact that it’s likely to continue is a whole new level of despicable.
The question of mandated reporting is the big one at the top of my list. Teachers, medical professionals, social workers, clergy, and others who have supervisory relationships with children are often required to report to the authorities when they have reason to believe that a child in their care may have been abused. The questions about jurisdiction make this complicated, but a couple of things are clear to me.
Let me repeat: mandated reporters are supposed to report when they suspect abuse may have occurred. They (we – I’m one as a pastor in CA) are supposed to report their/our suspicions, so that those who are better equipped to investigate can do just that.
If there is a DC mandated reporter law, the House clerk in charge of the page program is likely to be covered by it (execept, of course, that Congress often exempts itself from various laws that apply to the rest of the country or to the rest of the District). If the clerk is covered, and didn’t report it, he is in serious trouble.
The committee members and staff who oversee the page program are also likely covered by a mandated reporter law, if there is one that applies. My guess would be that because the mandated reporters work in DC and that is where their supervisory capacity is located, DC would be the primary jurisdiction. Of course, if the page’s teachers back home had reason to suspect this had happened, then they could be on the hook if their state has a mandated reporter law. Same for any other mandated reporters back home.
Folks, this is gonna be messy in so many ways. I hope the page(s) have a strong support system, as what should have been a great High School experience was not only screwed up by a creep with power, but now the whole thing gets played out in gory detail again for all the world to see.
I am pissed at Foley, and the thought that others knew about this or even suspected and did nothing – or not enough – to put an end to it makes me livid.
Talk about evil triumphing when good people do nothing. . .
I would rather visit Rocky Mountain National Park or read an
Alan Furst novel. But this latest horror is the tip of an iceberg of
corruption and coverup. More than ever we must stand and fight.
To any Bush Crime Family members reading this: STOP USING THE
INTERNET TO CARRY OUT YOUR VILE AND DEPRAVED CRIMES
BECAUSE IT IS ALL AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE TO SEE!!!
http://waynemadsenreport.com/2006_04080426.php
“April 15, 2006 — Rumsfeld personally involved in homo-erotic prisoner
abuse in Guantanamo.”
Also, an agent of Department of Homeland Security was asked
to pick up “puppy chow” and “tender vittles”-but this did not
mean pet food. 4-14-06
http://waynemadsenreport.com/2006_04010407.php
OFFICIALS of Department of Homeland Security, Brian Doyle and Frank Figueroa
were busted for sexual crimes against underage teenagers.
“Amazingly, Figueroa had been in charge of the Homeland Security Department’s Operation Predator, designed to curb child sexual exploitation and child pornography.” 4-6-06
http://waynemadsenreport.com/2005_11111118.php
“Sexually-explicit photos at Abu Ghraib special ordered by a homosexual and pedophile ring inside the Bush White House”
“There is good reason for the embarrassment of the Pentagon in the affair. The orders to take the sexually-oriented photos and videos, some of which involve teenage Iraqi boys and girls and sodomization by their guards, came directly from a pedophile and closeted male homosexual ring operating in the White House, according to the intelligence sources. Copies of the tapes and photos were sent directly to the White House for the entertainment of senior members of the Bush White House, including officials in the Vice President’s office and the Executive Office of the President.” wayne madsen 11-16-05
Some people are saying Karl Rove will be moderating a debate on values between Mark Foley and George Allen.
The theme of this week’s Republican agenda is legislating torture and condoning paedophilia.
Either consciously or subconciously, their stinky vapors will penetrate the stuffed up nostrils of most Americans. I am personally taking very good care of myself this weekend (staying nourished and hydrated, enjoying the weather, listening to music). Cause when I really think about our situation, I get sever nausea.
Absolute power corrupts:
Ignore 2001 warnings of terrorist attack in US and then COVER-UP.
Send our troops to their deaths with lies and then COVER-UP.
Expose high school students to congressional pedophile and then COVER-UP.
Violate Domestic law, Geneva conventions, International Law and then COVER-UP.
BUSH CHENEY RUMSFELD RICE HASTERT FRIST
mommybrain@79 When I lived in Jackson Wyo, everyone did catch and release; except for the U-tards. They would fill their coolers with trout then drive home. I guess if you can become a god, why worry about the environment. (This comment may be abusive..but I am really sick of this shit)
Carney Staff @ 94
Yes, please, lots more of this from every Congressional District, challenger and incumbent alike! Excellent.
And, folks, how can there be any question with regard to “mandated reporting?” It’s the Page School, for crimeny’s sake. I remember the earlier Page scandals, one from each side of the aisle, and afterwards there was lots of talk of closing the Page School, sending Pages to a school in DC for half a day while they were Paging the other half. It doesn’t sound like it happened. Schools are mandated reporters; if the Clerk, the Page Board chair, Blunt/Boehner, and Speaker Hastert(’s office) knew of this and did nothing but ask Foley and take satisfaction from his denial, they are liable. They sheltered and protected a predator of underage schoolboys in their employ. Is there a lower form of human life than the predator and his protectors?
According to TPM, the Clerk of the House, who is the third and “non-partisan” member of the Page Board, resigned about November 2005 — gotta wonder the exact sequence of events. Did he quit because the GOP chair wouldn’t tell the Democratic member? Did he quit because the GOP chair believed Foley’s denial? Did he quit because the GOP chair didn’t refer the matter to the police?
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A House investigation into Foley will not take place before the election. That’s why Boehner punted it to the moribund Ethics committee. Now if the House changes hands, there could well be an investigation in January.
Peterr @ 103
I’m not sure if anyone’s addressed this yet, but I think the age of consent in DC is 16, so if these kids were 16 or more I don’t think the child abuse laws apply.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 51
Today’s L.A. Times says this:
“Late Friday, the House voted unanimously to ask the Ethics Committee to look into the matter after a move by House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to get an immediate investigation was turned aside.”
(Bold emphasis mine)
I tried to look up the members of the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children’s Caucus and the link is broken. Interesting.
Rodney Alexander R-Louisiana, who fired an adult staff member for sending love letters to Scott Peterson in prison from a Congressional computer, but was not equally sensitive to ethics violations when a young page wrote to his staff about suspiciously inappropriate emails – what gives?
I dunno, I think the GOP should call in a lawyer of integrity like Ken Starr to “investigate” this unethical behavior and its coverup.
Hugh @
110
Makes ya wanna puke. No shame, no ethics, no nothing. Dante would have to write a whole new book for these bastards.
They had a similar problem in the Catholic Church not too long ago. Dennis Hastert would have made a good bishop in that story.
mayan @ 25
IANAL, but it seems to me that sexual harrassment need not rise to the level of actual physical contact, or even a face-to-face encounter, to be culpable under the law. Foley’s lawyers are obviously going to take the tack that no real harm was done, but some of the parents may not agree with this. If the allegations are true, Foley did in fact hurt some young people.
Question is, what is the level of culpability, and what is the legal remedy?
110 – there’s an interesting thought to work into the dialog.
The “investigations” that the Republicans don’t want include investigations of Republican child sex predators.
Interesting.
Here’s a lovely little effort. Apparently Time went to press without knowing what in the fuck they were talking about.
http://www.time.com/time/natio…..ml?cnn=yes
“Still, the bigger worry for Florida Republicans now is how to salvage Foley’s seat in a year when the GOP’S control of the House was looking increasingly vulnerable.”
To hell with the kids.
Mommybrain –
I’ve done the Deso Trip, but never Ladore, I hear that’s a great trip. I am not so much a boater as someone who wants to see every nook and cranny of the West. I have many friends who are avid boaters and I get to piggyback on many trips.
I think my single regret in life is not quitting my crappy job about ten years ago to be a replacement on a 21-day private Grand Canyon trip. That one still hurts. Letting all those old girlfriends get away doesn’t hurt as much as that one.
I skipped the comments (for now) to post this.
Christy said: “This is NOT acceptable in any way, shape or form”
As far as I know it’s worse, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW! As a teacher, one of the first rules I was taught was that we could find ourselves in legal jeopardy for not reporting anything that sniffed of child abuse, period.
Children are to be protected at all costs and Hastert didn’t do that, among many others. I want more resignations, followed by indictments. I am starting by writing a letter to this effect to Hastert’s home town paper, I urge others to do the same.
One way to help move this story is to donate to our pal John Laesch’s campaign – he’s running against Hastert and John is a smart, bible-quoting son of missionaries … let’s give him the help to hold Hastert accountable on this.
Click the Blue America tab at the top of the page to send John some help to hit Hastert hard.
TheOtherWA @ 80
It passed the House, but not – yet – the Senate. More grandstanding for the fundies. What’s distressing is the number of Democrats who voted for it: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll480.xml
The “not voting” list is pretty interesting, too. I guess wimping out is better than voting yes, but I really would like my money back from Sherrod Brown.
I have a little question.
If the clerk does not get this until Monday, and the whole congress has skipped town to get their lying, perverted, misplaced sense of justice, re-effing-elected once again, does this mean that there will be no investigation until after the weasels come back post election?
What does that bastion of child rights, Fox news, have to say today? Will they have the usual talking heads saying things like, Those Pages are just asking for it? … and Democrats leer at the Girl Pages, and… Bill Clinton is at fault… Denny Hastert (Tom Delay, Blount, etc. etc.) Is a busy man, he cant be expected to remember if someone mentioned that one of his party was messin’ with Pages, at least the cute ones… heh heh.
Jeebus who aren’t in Heban, Protect us from this bunch, please.
**CALL FOR ACTION – REPORT FOR DUTY**
If that dipsh*t Brent Bozell can muster 90,000 angry parents calling the FCC about Janet Jackson’s breast, we can surely muster MORE to provide real protections to our children’s safety.
CALL OR FAX THE HOUSE LEADERS AND ETHICS COMMITTEE MEMBERS
- Tell them you want a BI-PARTISAN investigation of Representative Foley’s conduct and the House leadership’s response;
- Tell them you demand the results of the investigation made public;
- Tell them you demand corrective and punitive actions outlined and detailed within 10 DAYS in public and all actions taken within 30 DAYS (November 1, if you like, but be specific about a deadline);
- Tell them you want legislation requiring any and all entities providing databases on children for the purposes of assisting law enforcement to require security auditing and all persons affiliated with their organization to have background checks.
Your list of contacts:
House Leader John Boehner
House Speaker Dennis Hastert
House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct (Ethics Committee)
Republicans
* Doc Hastings, Washington, Chairman
* Judy Biggert, Illinois
* Lamar Smith, Texas
* Melissa Hart, Pennsylvania
* Tom Cole, Oklahoma
Democrats
* Howard Berman, California, Ranking Minority Member
* Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Ohio
* Gene Green, Texas
* Lucille Roybal-Allard, California
* Michael F. Doyle, Pennsylvania
Find all phone and fax numbers at: Congress.org
I will cross-post this in a diary at DailyKos. We need to rain down a hailstorm on the folks that brought this mess upon us with a complete disregard for the defenseless ones.
If you were p*ssed off about torture, you should be just as p*ssed off about this. The kids involved had little recourse and were as ignored as the detainees in Gitmo, nor did they have the knowledge and maturity to defend themselves.
Rayne @
95
If I ever came across anything like this, I’d pass along the info to superiors by email with a recommendation to investigate, and print it out in triplicate. I wouldn’t want to be on the hook for aiding and abetting. I’m sure that Rep. Alexander, for instance, did this.
These people may be loyal to the party, but they also are even more loyal to keeping themselves out of jail as party to child molestation. I feel confident there are lots of people out there with little “in case this blows up” folders on this. And it just blew up.
No matter how powerful, I don’t think they’ll be able to make this go away. Maybe (though I doubt it) in the short term they can; but certainly not in the long term as real investigators with the power to indict come into play. Jack Abramoff couldn’t.
So glad you mentioned John Laesch, Siun. I got an email from his campaign last night.
I hope there was a huge crowd.
As with all things Republican, the leadership is cupable either because they DIDN’T know anything when it’s their JOB to know or because they KNEW and did NOTHING! I am SICK TO DEATH of the Republican “leaders” saying, “I didn’t see that,” didn’t read that,” “I was unaware of that,” I didn’t know that,” “we couldn’t have imagined that…,” when the WHOLE concept of LEADERSHIP involves making INFORMED decisions about IMPORTANT matters based on what they’ve made an effort to “see, read, be aware of, know, or imagined!” Anything less is either dishonest, or criminally negligent, or BOTH! We’d better win in November and hold these hypocritical criminals and perverts accountable!!!!!
Rayne @ 95
Rayne, that is chilling. And the scenario you suggest is all too feasible.
Yeah, Ladore was fantastic, shooogarp. And I understand your regret, though I don’t share it. I did a 21-day trip in ‘96. We put in our application for another permit then, and just got our launch date: June 22, 2011.
It’s so differenct living on the river for that long. Your percepions change, your worries about “civilization” fade away, to be replaced by things like “Gee, I hope I get up early enough so I don’t have to wait 20 minutes for the crapper.”
If you ever get invited again, jump on it. You can always get another job…
If you were p*ssed off about torture, you should be just as p*ssed off about this.
I am.
I’m just trying to figure out in advance which of our Dem are also in favor of child sexual predators so I can direct my efforts more profitably than I seem to have been so far.
I’ll send emails and make calls, but I think I’m even more with Siun that sending Laesch some non-predatory love is in order.
rat bastahd @ 120
According to the DC Child and Family Services Agency, “As a mandated reporter, willful failure to report makes you liable for a fine of up to $100 and/or imprisonment up to
30 days.”
If folks had reason to suspect and did not report it, this is a damn light slap on the wrist.
And as for the age question, the guide simply says “infant, child, or teen” with giving a specific age at which the law ceases to apply.
Professor Foland @ 125
I’ll bet you’d get no disagreement from Colleen Rowley.
… although the Congresscritters have scattered, not to return til January, committee staff will remain working in D.C. The Ethics Committee is bi-partisan but moribund (duh!). Expect nothing official to be heard until at least January … meanwhile evidence will be gathered (or destroyed) and interviews will be conducted…
More from the DC Guide: “By law, no supervisor or administrator may interfere with your obligation to report.” No indication about what those penalies are.
If Hastert or others tried to get or got the Clerk NOT to report, then they’re not just in political trouble but legal trouble. If the clerk resigned because of the pressure being applied, that doesn’t absolve him of not reporting (assuming no report was filed), but it casts Hastert and Co. in much different light.
lest it be forgotten, Speaker Dennis Hastert is a former high school teacher and wrestling coach who should not be unfamiliar with the legal pitfalls of teen sex abuse by teachers and others …
here is my problem with the alleged investigation. the whole of their cya story seems to be that they asked foley if he was harassing the underage pages, he said no (surprise) and they then dropped the whole matter. in what world (except the republican land of denial) does and “investigation” consist of asking the accused if he is guilty and then TAKING HIS WORD FOR IT?!?!?! no sirree, nothing to see here folks, move along. but if was common knowledge among the pages to “watch out for foley” then he had to have done it before, often. i don’t believe for a second that no one in authority knew about it.
I note comments upthread that one of the known pages involved is 16 years old; what we don’t know based on the information now public is whether ANY of the pages involved at any time were less than 16 years old, or if those pages were in DC or at home in another state where the laws are different at the time of the inappropriate messaging.
I suspect based on the speed with which the resignation happened from the time Foley was questioned that age and/or location are issues.
As is physical contact – we have not heard conclusively one way or another about contact.
We take nothing for granted until a bi-partisan investigation is complete and the results published.
Physical contact is not required for a case of sexual abuse to take place. Asking for sex from a minor, encouraging a minor to engage in sexual behavior while the adult watches, and engaging in “phone/IM sex” with a minor by an adult is legally considered sexual abuse.
The lack of physical evidence makes sexual abuse like this much harder to prove – but if there are explicit IMs in this situation, then it gets a lot, lot easier.
Balrog @118-
I wrote a letter to the editor urging him to encourage his reporters to research their subject(s) before writing such an insipid article. Also, obfuscating the real issue in a barrage of verbiage so no one really gets the point of the story is slipshod editing. Also, I stated that this story should be followed up on the cover of the next issue with a headline of what did they know and when did they know it.
I feel like I’ve gone through the looking glass into some alien land.
Betty G
Steve @ 108
Abusive on two levels:
I know we have fun with name calling around here i.e. “Repugs” or “ReThugs”, calling Bush “Clusterfuck” or “Shrub” but there is definitely a grey area where you go from “ReThugs” to “Macaca.”
I not sure if “U-tards” crosses that line, but I find it a good rule of thumb not to generalize and group people together for the purposes of a negative description.
For example: Everyone from West Virgina is a hillbilly.
The second comment about “becoming gods” I believe is a comment regarding Mormon Doctrine. Now I’m not too sure on the actual doctrine, but you are generalizing here again in a negative way.
First, you are making the assertion that all Utahns are Mormon. Not true. The population is only 70% Mormon, not 100%.
Second, belittling someone’s faith is just plain wrong. Religious tolerance is one of America’s bedrock principles. Not only do I find comments like yours in bad taste, but downright UnAmerican.
One thing we can agree on is that I am also sick of this shit.
The Republican party really excells at lacking oversight. They fail with Bush and they fail with Foley. How many more lapses did they allow?
I am not a lawyer but even if the age of consent is 16, wouldn’t contact of this sort be considered sexual harassment? Let’s call Bill O’Reilly and ask him. We need bumper stickers (Big ones)-Republicans-the Pedophile Party. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mr. Foley leaves this world shortly, willingly or not.
Oilfieldguy @ 11
go to crooks and liars you can listen to it there, and hear Pelosi being booed when she asks for a recorded vote!
Peterr #138 — my point was that there may be other crimes beyond the IM/phone sex; depending on the statutes and jurisdictions involved, there may be additional charges.
I don’t think this scandal is going to die. Because it’s sex, the press will be happy to search for the equivalent of the Blue Dress, and they’ll hold on to it like a pit bull with a chew toy.
It’s sad, in a way – as horrible as this is, and it is truly, mind-blowingly awful – this will get the press’s attention, after 5 1/2 years of assaults on the very fabric of our country that should have had them motivated all along.
That said, I’m not proud – if this gives Democrats control of the house, it works just as well as anything else. Buddha provides.
I just hope the poor kids who were subjected to this pervert are ok.
@140 I agree with your comments about my post. I would appreciate if it could be removed.
nobrakes @
139
Good effort Betty. I’ll be doing the same.
Mommybrain @ 129
2011 you say….
{sheepishly looking down}
Since there’s nothing Pelosi or any Democrat can do in the House, since they’ve adjourned and Dems have no power anyway, the entire Democratic MEMBERSHIP, House and Senate, and not just the leadership, should call a press conference to demand a criminal investigation, encompassing not only Foley’s behavior but the actions of Hastert and Boehner in failing to report it (and thus effectively aiding and abetting it). In other words, Democrats, don’t be wimps! DON’T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT THIS TIME!!! They crucified Clinton over consensual sex with an adult woman — but somehow this doesn’t matter? For God’s sake, CALL THEM ON IT!
Rayne @ 144
Absolutely, and not just aimed at Foley. In reading the story up at ABC and the emails posted by CREW, I am even more appalled at the “well, I looked into it and told Foley to not talk to the kid again” attitude.
I wonder if the FBI has gotten a search warrant for Foley’s computer . . . and if Hastert is gonna have a cow if they try to execute it.
New thread upstairs. Howie has a Great Candidate, Steven Porter in OH-02.
Does anybody know whether “the leadership” (as in “the leadership was informed”) might mean his fellow whips?
I ask because the incumbent Republican congresscritter in my district is also an “assistant majority whip” and I want to know if he might have been informed…
(knowing this will be EPUd, but hoping for a reply anyway…)
An Angry Old Broad@84 says:
Do not hold your breath. (Save that for the waterboard.)
Am I being too cynical or could this be a KKKarl diversion from what’s happening in the Middle East in general and in Bagdad in particular?
Who is the source for ABC, of Path to 911 infamy? Why now?
KarenJG — I think a lot of us who are still talking about this disaster may be down here instead of upstairs; I personally wouldn’t want to pollute a blue candidate’s thread with stuff that isn’t in his control – yet. ;-)
e.c. @136
Well, the Catholic Church comes to mind. That scandal showed us that it is much worse than what you think when you first detect it. This incident with a page could well be the tip of the iceberg. I wonder how many more cases will turn up now that the limelight shines on it.
I posted the following on the wrong thread. LOL.
Well the National Book Festival is taking place right now on the Mall.
cspan has cameras there.
Can’t one dem show up and speak?
please?
Rayne… that’s why I put it here anyway. But there’s a slim-but-getting better chance of turning this red district blue, and if McCotter has *any* chance of knowing this, I’m not above sending a LTTE to our local rag asking “what did he know and when did he know it?”
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 151
Doh! Make that PA-03. OH-02 is Dr. Wulsin, another great candidate.
Mary @ 99
Thank you for that. It was a real pick me up. It’s nice to see these Senators getting the attention and sympathy they deserve.
KarenJG @ 157
Every Congresscritter must be asked, especially those who hold leadership positions in the GOP. “Did you know about the pedophile, and when did you know?” is a perfectly legitimate question, to be followed by “Why didn’t you notify the police?”
The Party of Torture is now The Party of Pedophilia.
shooogarp says:
2011 you say….
{sheepishly looking down}
LOL, actually the thought occurred to me as I was typing, too. Meet me here in 2010 and see if you still want to come. I’ll work on the trip leader. ARe you big and strong and not allergic to hard work? Not that it matters, but are you xx or xy?
Steve -
When did you live in Jackson?
Rayne @ 11:22 am and Peterr @ 11:27 am -
Have Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, et cetera, publicly reacted to yesterday’s and today’s revelations about Mark Foley’s conduct?
Mommybrain -
Hard work is good. Big? I think I can carry my own for a 5′ 7″, 140lb guy. I just have to make twice the trips to carry the same, but that’s O.K.
In 2010 we will be in the second year of the Gore/Feingold Adminstration, so we will be able to raise our glasses in a toast to FDL.
Pedophiles sycophants thieves and sadists now have the power to torture and imprison anyone they choose. Should we be surprised anymore? The psycology of this group in positions of leadership suggests we have a plague in all our houses. When it gets to the streets they will stop at nothing to quell dissent.
We must be fearless! The Nevellie Bros have a wonderful cd/album (Brothers Keeper)for this point in our history and I cannot recommend it enough for the warriors among us.
The war was lost a long time ago but the battles have just begun. It’s time to place our childrens destiny back in our own hands for the task of securing it is in ours.
We Must Be FEARLESS! Thank you all.
Paging Mark Foley on the white courtesy phone
Paging Mark Foley….
Mark Foley has left the building.
But there are others still there, of this I am sure. This must turn into an attempt to out them all.
The list of R’s in high places already exposed as child predators is too long already, for sure. But we have to make it even longer.
Teddy San Fran @160
I would be a little hesitant in blaming the Republican party for pedophilia. Who knows how many more congresscritters have done this and are they ALL Republican?
TeddySanFran @ 160
Thanks, Teddy. Composing my letter now…
Titanyum @ 167
Well, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Democrats booing my Congresswoman on the House floor when she asked for a recorded vote on the resolution to investigate Foley….
Time for a new bumper sticker…Although the end for slogans without action has been here for a while.
KarenJG — McCotter?
You mean DeLay-Abramoff bagman Thaddeus McCotter?
Oh girlfriend, count me in for a letter-to-the-editor of a newspaper of your choice!!
Only wish we had a fighting chance to get rid of Dave Camp up north here; you have a better chance at ridding yourselves of McCotter.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 163
I’ve been poking around looking for something, and I’m not finding anything. Partly, I think it’s because this broke on late Friday and most of their broadcasting is taped until the Sunday morning stuff gets out live. Mostly, though, I think they’ve been trying to dig back to see how cozy they’ve been with Foley in the past, to see what they might have said then that they would regret now.
I fully expect to see anti-gay rants coming from Robertson and the others, once they have a chance to digest this. It’s only fear of their past comments (if any) that has kept them from jumping on this thus far.
First, I find it interesting that while both the Post and the Times are currently running below the fold stories on the scandal on their websites, neither, as far as I can tell has yet devoted a story to the fact that most of the Republican House leadership has apparently known about this for almost a year and yet did nothing. I don’t think cover-up is too strong a word since there was apparently an active effort to keep the allegations from the only Democrat who serves on the Page Board. That decision, I think, speaks volumes.
more…
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
SP CPA — ditto what Peterr said, I’ve seen nothing at all.
I did check the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children for a comment, though.
F*cking pathetic.
This organization can’t protect themselves from a predator, why the hell should I trust them to help protect my kids?
Be prepared for a Dem to get likewise outed for this kind of obscenity. The Right excuses bad behavior through moral relativism; now all they need is a “he did it too.”
Titanyum@167-So what? Accuse all Republicans of pedophilia/ aiding and abetting, etc. These despicable asses tried everything to smear the Democrats with the Abramoff brush and are blaming Clinton for 9/11 and on and on. After Thursday the gloves are off. We need to be shrill and damn the torpedoes.
Also, on Needlenose, they have a visual of Lady Liberty in a hood/electrodes. I’m sure everyone has seen it. I enlarged and copied it and intend to send it to everyone who voted for that bill. I would like to see everyone else do it too. By snail mail. Thoughts?
Rayne @ 174
Seaching their site for “Foley” produced the one line “he resigned” comment, and fifteen “We’re partners with Foley” press releases. You’d think there’d be at least an acknowledgement of the reason for his resignation. At least. Maybe even a call for further investigation, or a statement of compassion for those who were preyed upon by Foley.
Why does this sound like the national NARAL office and RG Joe?
Cozumel @
173
Some additional comments from Josh Marshall’s 1:20 pm post (emphasis is mine):
The limp Democratic reaction to this situation is exactly why I think we will lose again in November. We can blog all we want about it but unless those we’ve elected decide to STAND THE FUCK UP AND FIGHT, we will lose. I’ve phoned all my senators and my congresswimp and demanded they grab hold of this and not let go…but I get the same, bullshit lame answers. I believe those who say Bush could be caught in bed with a 12-year-old boy and a goat and nothing would happen, are correct. Because Dems in DC have been down so long, they just hope to hang onto whatever gravy train they have going.
[Mod Note; edited to remove some incendiary thoughts best left unsaid]
This would never have happened had Al Gore not invented the internets! I blame the Democrats!
IOKIYAR
Peace!
Rayne @
171
Yes, *that* McCotter – the one the repuke leg handed me to on a silver platter (I *still* miss Lynn Rivers!)
I’m writing to the Observer & Eccentric (now owned by Gannett). Who do you guys have up there? Is there a coverage overlap?
From the Democratic National Committee website:
“According to the Associated Press, Congressman Reynolds’ spokesman confirmed that Reynolds had been informed by another Congressman that the boy had complained about Foley’s inappropriate communications “months ago.” According to the report, the allegations first came to light in late 2005. [AP, 9/30/06] It appears that Reynolds did not tell authorities about the emails or take any step to discipline Foley, apparently choosing instead to sweep the matter under the rug to protect the Republican party’s dwindling chances of retaining control of the House of Representatives this November.
Congressman Reynolds’ inaction in the face of such a serious situation is very troubling, and raises important questions about whether there was an attempt to cover up criminal activity involving a minor to keep it from coming to light before Election Day,” said Democratic National Committee Communications Director Karen Finney.”
Now when will Nancy Grace start the non-stop coverage and are Timmeh and all the other pundits tied in knots about which story to feature first: The end of habeus corpus/legalization of torture OR the Republican pedophile coverup scandal? I’m not holding my breath. The results will clearly show where things stand right now re America and it’s media….
Zergle @ 65
Oh yes they do! They can’t let this baby slip away. They MUST raise holy hell about this and keep it above the fold for six weeks at least
Coming soon to a MSM outlet near you – a big “ooga-booga” about TERROR. As reliably as sunshine after rain.
No more money to HRC:
“Luis Vizcaio, communications and marketing director for Human Rights Campaign, declined to discuss Foley’s resignation. ”We’re not going to comment on it,” he said.
In 2005, HRC gave Foley an 88 out of 100 score on gay issues, making him one of the highest-ranked Republicans in Congress.”
From: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/15643524.htm
Has the FBI raided Foley’s offices yet???
just asking, as there is precedent.
I thought congressional pages were at least high school grads. 16-year-olds? I’m shocked! And there is a government sponsored program to supply innocent young blood to these vampires? This 150 year-old school for pages must be abolished. What are they thinking? How can we trust them to defend the Constitution when we can’t trust them with in loco parentis? And the boy’s parents did nothing? That poor helpless and misled boy. This is not ‘alright’ or harmless. The boy will forever know himself as the guy who brought down a sitting Member of Congress. Where were all the anti public education neo-cons when it came to shutting down this particular public school. It is misdemeanor for public and private health and social workers, teachers, police, school officials, to not report such things to the DC CFSA.
In order, these are 12 steps that must be done at this point:
Today-
1. Call the DC Child and Family Services Agency at 202.671.7233 as instructed on their website http://cfsa.dc.gov/cfsa/cwp/view,a,3,q,520712.asp and get that kid away from the monster, his pimp parents, and the page school.
2. Execute a warrant for the arrest of Foley and search his offices for other emails he might have been sending to other children in the capitol and around the world, including known sex slave territories like Saipan and countries like Singapore. Look for evidence that he was being blackmailed, perhaps by foreign governments or terrorist/extremist groups. Look for evidence that he was blackmailing the others that knew of it and did nothing.
3. Execute a warrant for the arrest of all those that knew of this months ago but did nothing but try to hide it, on grounds of aiding and abetting a felony crime. Look for evidence that they were either directly involved too, or perhaps even blackmailing him. Look for evidence of bribery and corruption related to this.
4. Call all the parents of the other children at the page school and tell them to make arrangements to bring their children home pronto.
5. Cancel classes, and page ‘duties’.
6. Put the children up in a hotel until they are retrieved by their parents.
7. Seal the school and the dorms.
Monday-
8. Lay-off the uninvolved administrators, teachers and proctors with our sincerest apologies and promises of financial aid in getting resettled in new jobs or training.
9. Call the utility and services companies that supply the school and turn off the services, again with our apologies.
10. Search the dorms and the school for further evidence.
11. Abolish this ‘page program’.
12. Prosecute and incarcerate the offenders.
These are our children that we are sacrificing to these monsters. Have we no shame? John Boehner heads off a demand of investigation by Nancy Pelosi. Nancy Pelosi simply takes it? She should have gone up to him and slapped him in the face. There are few times that call for righteous violent reactions, and that was one of them. Is she nuts? Are they all insane? What have we become?
Spartakus @
184
Good…That means we will talk more about Iraq.
After all, ‘…the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism problem worse’, so I’m told.
Robertson, Falwell, and their ilk will make statements along the lines of:
“It is a shame that such a good and decent man would fall prey to the immoral culture created by the liberals and gays.”
When people like Rush Limp-baugh normalize deviant behavior like the Abu Ghraib torture and perversion this is the end result.
They have defined deviancy down.
Maybe Limp-baugh will claim Foley was just engaged in harmless “fraternity pranks” to excuse Foley.
-GSD
so who’s surprised by this latest example of repug hypocrisy?? those who claim to have “family values” usually commit these kind of acts. wake up sheeple this is not america as we once knew – and yet people still vote for repugs!! whats the matter with americans??
Wasn’t it just yesterday that republicans voted to destroy 230 years of American democracy? The MSM has its ‘missing white girls’ to distract us from the important issues and apparently the blogs now have their ‘fondled white boys’ to do the same. For christ’s sake!
Oh, allow me to add a bit for those of you watching the Senatorial race in Virginia. I received a letter from the campaign which purports to be from Felix’s wife,Susan, about a month ago. This bizarre three pager contains a bit of timely news…allow me to quote from it so those of you who believe it can then wait breathlessly for the way our junior racist, er, I mean senator responds….”And one of the things that keeps me worried and up at night are the dangerous Internet predators trying to get a hold of our kids. Because even though we lock our doors and put alarms on our windows, these vicious criminals can enter our homes through the Internet. That’s why George has taken the lead in the Senate to protect our children. He’s working with concerned Republicans and Democrats to pass new laws and insist on better enforcement to protect our children from Internet predators.” Well…well…well. Mr. Macaca has a lot of ’splaining to do with regard to his ‘good buddies’ in the other chamber. VOTE FOR WEBB…Clean the House and Senate!
I have seen on telivision where people are traped by the FBI for internet sexual crimes, and arrested on the spot. Since when do we have to get permission from congress to arrest a criminal?
As has been stated many times, physical contact is not a requirement.
I really can’t wait to hear the calls of “innocent until proven guilty” “Let’s wait until all the facts come out” etc.
How about just declaring Foley an “enemy combatant” and renditioning him to some foreign country where the CIA can “extract” a confession to charges he doesn’t know and evidence he can’t see?
Terrorizing Teenagers
For Shame!
GOP = Grand Old Pedophiles?
Oh that’s a good one DD– Macaca and Susan Allen standing up for “our” chillun.
It surely does, Mizz Ganter, it surely does.
http://www.news-press.com/apps…..amp;Ref=AR
Christy Hardin Smith @ 13
The Congressional Record is not yet up for yesterday, although it is supposed to be online by 11 am EST. when it comes up, it should be at http://www.gpoaccess.gov/crecord/06crpgs.html
Meanwhile, the video link at C&L is: http://movies.crooksandliars.com/foleyres.wmv
The entire resolution is read out by the “Reading Clerk.”
You can see, near the end of the video, Boehner, the Republican Majority Leader, demanding that the House vote immediately on referring the issue to the Ethics Committee (rather than continuing any public debate) (”moving the previous question”). After a voice vote, the Chair rules that the motion to cut off debate is carried.
Nancy Pelosi rises to demand a recorded vote, rather than a voice vote.
She begins by saying,
at which boos arise from the Republican side
Breaking CNN…
BOMBSHELL!!!!!
Thomas Reynolds issues a statement that says Hasstert knew a LONG time ago about Foley. He told him himself
Hey Shoogarp and Mommybrain-
Please don’t leave me out! Please, pretty please!
I lived in a yurt north of Jackson for a time, and wrangled on a ranch in Dubois.
Never got to do any river trips, though, sp I am still hankering.
Don’t know if this has been posted yet, but here’s a picture of Bush announcing and Foley applauding the passing of the Child Protection and Safety Act.
http://newsblogs.chicagotribun…..ley_k.html
Cozumel @ 199
Whoo boy… it’s every rat for himself now. This could be fun to watch. Popcorn time!
Well, Aravosis is certainly working his Capitol Hill contacts well on this scandal — it seems that Congressman Tom Reynolds, the head of the NRCC, has as his chief of staff one Kirk Fordham, who moved to Reynolds’ staff from Mark Foley’s about the time the Congressman (Alexander) from Louisiana reported to Reynolds the Page’s complaint about Foley. It’s odd that Alexander reported the complaint to Reynolds, whose job is selecting and electing GOPers to the House — but it’s also odd that Reynolds’ new chief of staff about that time was Foley’s former chief of staff.
Even odder is that Kirk Fordham “returned to Foley’s side to advise him during the past couple of days,” whatever that means. He’s still Reynolds’ chief of staff, but he’s back with his former employer to assist during the current crisis.
Sounds like a bunch of coverup and enabling pedophilia to me!
http://americablog.blogspot.co…..ef-of.html
angie @ 201
Dana Bash phoned it in to CNN. It should be hitting the wires shortly ; )
Angie -
Thanks for the link…here’s an unbelieveable excerpt from it…
“Robert West, treasurer of the Charlotte County Democratic Executive Committee, said he still wants more information before drawing conclusions about Foley’s activities.
“It’s just not fair and prudent,” West said. “I wouldn’t want to rush to judgment.”
Ellen Hawk Geake, chairwoman of the Glades County Democratic Executive Committee, said she was surprised by the allegations, and felt genuine personal concern for Foley. “It’s a shame. He had a good career.”
As far as political strategy, Geake said Democrats’ plans are the same as they were a week ago: back challenger Tim Mahoney. “I absolutely thought he could beat Mark Foley, and I still, of course, think he will win.”
Voters will make the ultimate choice there, and must decide with just six weeks until election day. But for now, many are still reeling from Friday’s news.
“It’s devastating,” said Ruth McCarthy of Clewiston. “All I can say is it’s a shame he was indiscreet.”
McCarthy and her late husband Dan donated more than $1,000 to Foley over the years.
“As far as his politics, he was a good politician,” McCarthy said.
But the widow said she did not know what to think of the e-mail scandal.
“
It’s a shame he was indiscreet??? My lord! Good grief charlie brown — INDISCREET???
Ok, Macaca Man stand up for something…Caste your own “aspersions” on something deserving of it. Sheesh!
Vote Webb…and if you can’t please donate. We need to clean House and Senate!
Hey DD– sounds like a well honed rethug response to me, what’s wrong with it?? :>0
Coz– I just switched to Faux to see if anyone was covering it and they had “breaking news” about it and the poor fauxman was splutterin’ and hemming and hawing and couldn’t spit it out. He was off camera and you could tell he was editing as he went. LOL
angie @ 205
LOL
So much for Hastert’s efforts to pressure Boehnert and the WaPo to cover for him! http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c…..010065.php
KarenJG #181 — sorry for the delay in response, had to do the mom thing and shuttle a kid across town.
Don’t think we have cross-coverage here in 4th Congressional District; the closest papers are all affiliated with MLive.com and non-Gannett ownership. At one time the papers in Saginaw-Bay City-Flint were all owned by Herald subsidiaries, don’t know if that changed in the last year.
But I’d be happy to send the same letter I submit to Dave Camp through local papers to Observer since they aren’t related and won’t have to worry about rejection for astroturfing.
Every single Repug Rep needs to be taken to the woodshed on this.
Robert Reardon @ 18
I’m sorry that ever happened. I have a seat front and center for the effects child molestation can have–my wife was abused by her grandfather from at least the age of eight. The notion that either this kind of conduct or a coverup is acceptable makes me want to hurl chunks.
Cozumel @ 199
Anybody who can say he or she knew anything about this at any point before yesterday and did nothing with the knowledge deserves to be in the next cell over from Foley. That goes for Reynolds as well as Hastert. This is NOT to be tolerated.
DairyMaid @ 200
Where north of Jackson? Kelly? Or in the Park?
Perhaps we need to get a FDL River Trip together for next year here in Utah?
A comment on RAW.. As the sub-committee chair, Foley had access to all the files on child abuse and kiddie porn. He must have thought he had died and gone to heaven. What a sick sob; getting off on the suffering of children. May he rot in hell.
Cozumel @ 199
and who is Thomas Reynolds, and how did he learn?
He is the head of the National Republican Campaign Committee.
Telling Foley was all for political reasons. And Foley obviously decided the best politics was to keep silent — not to protect the children.
I also found a blog that in mid-August reported on the sex-trolling e-mails from Mark Foley.
Publicly.
On the Internets.
I’m look for that again now, as I lost it.
DairyMaid, can’t never have too many good folk on the river. Check back here in June 2010.
Hmmm, gives me an idea for next summer though – an FDL river trip. We can combine strategy sessions for 2008 in between the whitewater. I’ll have to talk to the Captain….
and who is Thomas Reynolds, and how did he learn?
The chain of custody so to speak was the page told the congresscritter who sponsered him, who told Reynolds, who told Hastert IIRC.
Shooogarp, I didn’t see yours before I posted mine. Great minds…
Mommybrain -
Let’s do it!
Whitewater Strategy!
My suggestions:
Westwater
Delores
Desolation Canyon
San Juan River (mellow, but great Native American ruins and rock art!)
Owyhee
Ideas?
Now here is what would be appropriate for Mr. Foley. Not to mention quite likely.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/09…..index.html
And Christy, here is more accurate information from CNN on Pelosi’s motion and how it was handled:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI…..index.html
Mommybrain -
http://www.utah.com/raft/rivers/san_juan.htm
Where are this kid’s parents in this? Good grief – shouldn’t they come out and say something? Unless they’ve “gone missing” or “been disappeared”… You never know with these bastards.
I love the San Juan and if there are kids along, it’s a good river for them as long as there is water in the river. We did it two summers ago at very low water and ended up dragging the heavy boat a couple of miles through sand bars. Ugh.
I’ll ask the Cap’n. We have one scheduled already with friends and family, probably on the main Salmon. Maybe we can make another trip on one side or the other of that one.
Anyone else wanna go? Western whitewater, not Arkansas.
Off to make some Schadenfreude pie for our dinner guests tonight. Even though Mel has hair down the middle of his back and is a wilderness lover, I suspect him of republican leanings.It will be lovely to serve him a piece :)
shooogarp @
212
Please count me in?
I did one trip down the Rio Grande in 1968, from near Los Alamos to near Albuquerque. Always wanted to river raft again!
More clarification: The House did not pass Pelosi’s resolution. Instead, it referred the resolution to the Ethic Committee.
Her resolution had instructions to the Ethics Committee (formally, the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct of the House).
Those instructions (including the demand for a preliminary report to the House within 10 days) were not adopted.
Instead, the Ethics Committee will decide what to do. But it will be out of session, with Members back home campaigning.
So this story stays alive if the netroots makes the MSM keep it alive — not because some committee will do something.
At least that’s how I understand events.
mamazboy @ 222
The kid’s parents may not want him to be publicly identified – I sure would want to protect my son in a situation like this – and identifying the parents means identifying the kid.
shooogarp @
212
Cue banjo music. Would that be the Kahulawassee River?
Balrogs don’t like water…
Prof @ 225
In other words, Boener maneuvered around for some more delay and coverup on a serious matter. Fine. Let it be on his head!
Reminder to OddBrain and Twisted Sister:
Golden Gophers eat Wolverines for a snack.
(I can’t even type that with a straight face)
Aravosis at AmericaBlog says he is on CNN in 8 minutes.
Prof @ 230
concerning Foley, that is.
Prof @ 231
With someone from Red State
New thread on the “Grand Old Perverts” (GOP).
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..-perverts/
Jane’s offering GOP=Grand Old Perverts upstairs.
Balrog -
Check link above at 221. You might like it… you never know.
: )
Prepare for an assault on net neutrality in order to save children. mumble Kathrine Harris mumble..
I have not finished reading the comments on this thread, but on Late Nite last night I told Valley Girl I would try to find a statement published by WaPo, and later removed from the article, that said Boehner had notified Hastert of the incident.
Here is what I found:
The resignation rocked the Capitol, and especially Foley’s GOP colleagues, as lawmakers were rushing to adjourn for at least six weeks. House Majority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) told The Washington Post last night that he had learned this spring of inappropriate “contact” between Foley and a 16-year-old page. Boehner said he then told House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.). Boehner later contacted The Post and said he could not remember whether he talked to Hastert.
“
That appears to be the same language contained in the WaPo article that Christy linked to above. In other words, I have not found any evidence that the WaPo removed language from its article online that was potentially damaging to Boehner or Hastert.
neurophius @ 237
Go look at Jane’s explanation. The quote from Hastert: “We’re taking care of it” disappeared, courtesy of later WaPo editing.
The earlier version was more damaging.
Thanks, Prof. OK, I looked at Jane’s new post, and you are correct, the ““we’re taking care of it” language in the Wapo at some point last night is not contained in the current version, either on the WaPo or on Lexis/Nexus. In any event, Jane has it covered.
Boehner totally creeps me out. Is he supposed to be handsome or something? Those light blue eyes and the fake tanned skin … shudder.
I have had the unpleasant experience of being in the same bar with Reynolds (he is not my Congressman). He is a pompous ass. If I hadn’t of been sober(fairly) I more than likely would have told him so. I don’t get around much anymore, but should I see that overfed walking ego again, I surely will. Only then I would ask him if he likes “chicken” too. Bastards.
As always, Christie puts things clearly, and gets to their center. Her question [”Does no one in the entire GOP know how to take responsibility?”] deserves an answer. The answer is “No.”
In fact, by now, we are to the point where asking this question is naive – maybe even a mistake. Not taking responsibility for anything negative is at the center of a strategy that is so much the rule that it should be called “the Bush Administration Code of Honor.” They are not responsible for:
voting irregularities in 2000 & 2004
doing nothing about al Qaeda prior to 911
cooking the Intelligence to justify the War with Iraq
not sending enough troops to Iraq
“outing Valerie Plame” to discredit her husband
actively ignoring the Geneva Conventions
having a relationship with Jack Abramoff
hiding information about the Iraq Civil War
…among other things. Reddhedd’s question [”Does no one in the entire GOP know how to take responsibility?”] has a clear answer. The answer is a loud “No!”
so when clinton and a consenting ADULT did icky things together, that was worth impeachment, but a sitting congressman … who solicits a CHILD …. gets to just resign?
send the bastard to jail; no, put him under the jail
“Just Say NO” to Republicans!
FWIW, Howard Berman’s LA phone is
818-994-7200 and his LA fax is 818-994-1050
Office is at 14546 Hamlin Ste 202, Van Nuys, CA 91411
Icky things?
I’m coming late to the table, but I was so moved by Christy’s words. Perfecto. Stunned. Spoken like a prosecutor and a mom. Addressing the issue like no one else can.
Hoping this moves voters to elect a Democratic Congress in droves; as if torture and war crimes, illegal wars, violations of the Constitution, and stolen elections wouldn’t do it.