
[Update: As Mimir notes in the comments, Jonathan Weisman has a bit of a history (per Atrios) with editing quotes to accomodate the White House. I think some explanation might be in order.]
[Update II: Hastert obviously knew where enough bodies were buried to back down Boehner, and the WaPo obligingly complied, but now Reynolds has thrown Hastert under the bus. And the reporters are saying they stand by the original version. Editiorial decisions made by the WaPo in this article looking extremely suspect -- once again.]
Dennis Hastert has a long history of covering up GOP ethics scandals. After all he was the one who put the boot to Republican Joel Hefley as Chairman of the House Ethics Committee when he refused to give Tom DeLay a pass on his cornucopia of violations, and also helpfully stacked the committee with those indebted to DeLay's PAC for their re-election funds.
So is it any surprise that he is in the crosshairs now for helping to keep the closet door locked on the sleazy online sexual solicitation of Congressional pages by Republican Congressman Mark Foley?
As Jamie noted in the comments, the Washington Post carried this paragraph yesterday:
The resignation rocked the Capitol, and especially Foley’s GOP colleagues, as lawmakers were rushing to adjourn for at least six weeks. House Majority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) told The Washington Post last night that he had learned this spring of some “contact” between Foley and a 16-year-old page. Boehner said he told House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.), and that Hastert assured him “we’re taking care of it.”
But today, the article reads:
The resignation rocked the Capitol, and especially Foley’s GOP colleagues, as lawmakers were rushing to adjourn for at least six weeks. House Majority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) told The Washington Post last night that he had learned this spring of inappropriate “contact” between Foley and a 16-year-old page. Boehner said he then told House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.). Boehner later contacted The Post and said he could not remember whether he talked to Hastert.
Now articles get edited all the time for new information, but I think this really deserves a bit more explanation. Did the WaPo just make up the original quote by Boehner? It's in quotation marks, one would think not. So what happened to the quote? Boehner obviously called and tried to walk it back. I would think that the more appropriate edit would be something along the lines of "Boenher originally told the Post that Hastert assured him it would be taken care of, but later called and changed his story and said he couldn't remember if Hastert had said this or not." To completely scrub it obscures what appears to be some quite critical behind-the-scenes politicking that had a very dramatic effect about what appeared in the article. I do not pretend to know what the agendas of those involved in writing and editing the story are, but I would say that Charles Babington and Jonathan Weisman — whose names appear on the story — owe a bit more explanation that what we are given, which is nothing.
Meanwhile, as irony would have it, the Republican who is campaigning for Joel Hefley's seat, Doug Lamborn (whose Democratic opponent is one of our blue America Candidates, Jay Fawcett) has just announced his endorsement this morning by — wait for it — Dennis Hastert.
You can't make this shit up.
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And this in NYT:
In other words, the media doesn’t have questions about the torture bill, but sex perverts they do.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10…..r=homepage for that.
and it’s not just Hastert, but the House Republican Majority Leader and the head of the National Republican Campaign Committee.
GOP indeed.
Actually, I prefer Greedy Old Perverts, myself.
Don’t forget that Jonathan Weisman knows a thing or two about editing quotes to better accommodate the source. From Atrios.
I bet this falls off the MSM radar by monday.Freeway blogger has a list of 49 repubs that have been involved in pedophilia,you hear of it for a few days and then it’s gone.
MSM has been ignoring this story all day… not even present in the crawls for most of the afternoon. Imagine the s*** storm if this had been a Democrat.
How to get the MSM to pay attention I wonder? I know, let’s tell them that Foley is a Dem and change the story later. That might work.
Better yet, we can say the person is named Clinton and then say whoops.
As this seems to be the Repug’s SOP, you got to wonder what else they’ve been covering up.
And btw, just when are you Denny going to kick ol’ Ney’s butt from the chamber?
What are you waiting for? 2-3 years into his sentence?
I guess until we lock em’ behind prison doors and throw away the keys, the Repugs are “Open For Business” as usual!
And my, what an honorable business that is…NOT!
Foley story on CNN right now–John Aravosis is being interviewed.
I wonder if the FBI is raiding the offices of Foley and the rethug leadership yet. Is AG Gonzales at all concerned? Is he gonna wait til next week sometime? I mean, it is at the very least kiddie porn and it is out in the public domain.
Aravosis on cnn now.
Ah, the cover-up. Too bad that there just aren’t enough rocks for all the vermin to scramble under.
Since “Republican” seems to be such a high marker in sex crime profiling, I think we must immediately lock up all Republicans now just to be safe. Per their own sophisticated interpretation of the Constitution as demonstrated in the GWOT, if they weren’t guilty, we wouldn’t need to lock them up. Therefore, since we do need to lock them all up, they must all be guilty.
larry johnson has a few tips for recognizing republicans: http://noquarter.typepad.com/m…..repub.html
Aravosis calling for appointment of outside counsel on Foley incident.
May I just make it clear that Dennis Hastert has clearly taken the Dorian Grey thing to heart. What an ugly man. The guy the Corner sent to do battle with Aravosis on CNN is not to pretty either. Almost fair, though.
Did you see firedoglake on the tease?
Foleygate upended what was supposed to be this weekend’s “Big Story” — Booby’s new book in which he discovers (clutch those pearls like there’s no tomorrow) thatBIUS LIED and THE WAR HAS BEEN LOST!
The truth of the matter is both stories are part of the same dysfunctional process. But you can’t go around expecting Timmeh or Steffi or Mr. Sheri Annis to deal with this.
That would be asking for competence.
Article up on the AP Wire:
http://apnews.myway.com/articl…..CUQG0.html
Some tidbits:
Aravosis hammering Republicans on referring Foley incident to Repo CAMPAIGN Committee rather than ethics committee…
citizensue @ 8
If all the MSM reporters’ questions at the torture bill-signing today were about the Foley sexual predator matter, and nothing runs tomorrow, is it the reporters’ fault, or the editors who are burying it?
Aravosis doing a great job! kerpow!
Man that photo Denny is asking for a caption of some sort…
Mimir @
6
Oh damn good catch, Mimir.
CNN is giving heavy coverage to this. I would be surprised if they are not still talking about it on Monday.
Wonder if this story will make the Sunday talking head shows?
Did you all see this on RawStory about John Doolittle in the CA-04th?
Video: Congressman ‘tolerated’ forced abortions, sex slavery
It looks like our efforts to give this story more traction are paying off and people are taking notice. Charlie Brown is offering No Quarter whatsoever and throwing haymakers left and right. He’s awesome on this video debate.
And for those of you who haven’t seen it yet, here is the campaign attack ad I put together that they are debating in the Raw Story video.
John Doolittle Facts – Supporting Sweatshops, Forced Abortions and Sex Slavery.
This is just one more huge example of Republican sleaze at the highest levels. Please help get this info out there as well. Jane and Howie, if you’re around please consider highlighting this as well. John at C&L has asked me to put together a post for it this weekend. Charlie Brown is starting to pull into the lead in a race that was considered a lost cause just two short months ago. Doolittle’s support from “Christian Conservatives” is dropping faster than Foley’s britches.
All of the affidavits and documentation of the claims in both of these videos can be found at the website DoolittleFacts.org.
Three days and counting until my comes to take me from paradise and into the Good Fight.
How is it that this guy Foley thought he could get away with this? How dumb can you be?
Let’s say I like sheep, a lot. I don’t go to the farmers door at noon and ask if I can go into the pasture to pet the sheep, I go to the pasture late at night. I don’t join much less lead the Anti Beastiality Club. I look for a signature issue which has as little to do with sheep as possible.
I actually feel sorry for those who look to politicians for moral ethical or spiritual guidance or inspiration. It’s an act guaranteed to bring disappointment or worse. Politicians are scum, should be the first lesson taught in civics.
But how are we to be a great nation and do good things the children will ask. Passing laws and regulations is a totally seperate thing from the personal lives of the politicians we must teach. The personal life and the public life are two different things.
This of course covers both parties. I could care less that Kennedy had an astounding ability to garner quickies from beautifull famous and not so famous women. That had zero to do with the missle crisis. If Cheney and Rumsfeld do in fact like sheep, a lot, together, as old buddy pervs are wont to do in undisclosed locations I could care less. That their policies are a disaster is all I care about.
As much as Goopers say they love them some Jesus, they sure don’t walk the walk!
Covering a pedophile for political expediency?
“What shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”
EPU’d but just before the commercial break the FDL website was being surfed on CNN.
Good job by John, and better yet his NRO counterpart seemed to agree.
Joe Lieberman is smiling right now because the Foley story is taking the liberal blog spotlight away from his voting for the Detainee Interrogation Bill.
Very interesting diary at dKos: WaPo: “We stand by all versions of the story”.
At least Monica was of age and the opposite sex.
About an hour or so ago Dana Bash was on the phone with the CNN anchor. Dana said Reynolds had issued a statement saying he had told Hastert about the page and Foley himself a long time ago!
House Republican leaders Dennis Hastert and John Boehner condoned a pedophile, and are trying to cover it up. They are endangering our children. Pass it on…
diogenes @ 27
Torture’s pretty un-Christian too.
rapier says:
September 30th, 2006 at 2:43 pm *
How is it that this guy Foley thought he could get away with this? How dumb can you be?
I’m thinking this kid’s parents were offered treasures beyond belief to say they BEGGED Republicans to just let the matter be dropped. But, oops, more kids had more nasty stuff on their own computers.
I meant to say “coddled” a pedophile. That’s a good right wing word, let’s turn it against them.
I second citizenSue @8:
This whole thing would be so not OK if these guys were Democrats!
Phil K @ 37
The Jeff Gannon non-story exposed (ahem) the double standard very clearly.
(Maybe Foley was trying to recapture his lost youth – sort of a Pedo Pan syndrome kind of thing?)
Caption for the threads lead picture.
Those teen boys have such pretty little butts about this big across.
Denny was a wrestling coach don’t you know. I’m not intimating anything, just saying.
helping to keep the closet door locked on the sleazy online sexual solicitation
At least Monica was of age and the opposite sex.
What the fuck?
rapier @ 26
Hmmm, “stop me before I kill again,” maybe? There do seem to be people who know what they’re doing is wrong and they should be caught, but can’t quite turn themselves in.
masculine_monica_nyc @ 41
I am patiently awaiting the self-righteous cries of “liberal homophobia!” emanating from the right, as happened during the aforementioned Jeff Gannon non-story.
too bad he had the rethug “leadership” enabling him…
countryjoe @ 31
With you on the first part. As for the second, time for you to think about that a little bit.
angie @ 44
“Goddammit, Denny, what part of ‘Stop me before I harass again’ don’t you understand???”
angie @ 44
Foley must not have been worried about what the Republican leadership would do, or he would not, one might think, have run for re-election.
Rep.: Hastert told of Foley months ago
WASHINGTON – Rep. Thomas Reynolds, head of the House Republican election effort, said he told Speaker Dennis Hastert after learning a fellow GOP lawmaker sent inappropriate messages to a teenage boy
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..reynolds_2
This all goes back close to a year (at least). House “leadership” informed? I wonder if they’ll be shamed enough to subpoena Tom DeLay to ask him what he knows about it, since he was an integral part of that leadership ten months ago….
countryjoe @ 31
Sexual orientation has nothing to do with the issue IMO. It is the age of the kids involved. They are teenagers. Although, the fact that they are boys definitely makes the story more sensational from a media standpoint. It also makes it especially hard for conservative voters to stomach.
neurophius @ 47
He likes (liked) being a Representative. He liked young boys. Eventually the two became incompatible, but it sure did take a while.
foley seems to be a big part of the news rotation on chicken noodle network
sex sells, don’t ya know
the repuglican congress has devolved into a pedophile protection agency
why am I not surprised ???
Dover Bitch @ 48
Dover Bitch, that is a great find!
I wonder if Foley was harrassing even back then.
Redshift @ 42
Well let me put forth a third theory, the one where he’s so fucking arrogant that he thinks he ALREADY got away with it. I mean, this guy was the assistant majority whip in Tom DeLay’s Congress. He probably thought he was invincible.
Oh and why isn’t the media camped out on his lawn? If this was Joe Average and the victim was some blond girl you wouldn’t even be able to drive down the block by this point.
shooogarp @ 51
I suspect that the conservative takeaway from this will not be, “Congressional Republicans are completely amoral and corrupt”, but rather, “More proof that gay men are pedophiles.”
Just a guess here.
Punaise, where are ya? You’d be having so much fun, with this!
neurophius @ 54
Neuro, you do? This kind of thing doesn’t come over one all of a sudden. “Yes” would be a safe bet.
In the Catholic priest scandals, many witnesses have come forward as adults, years after they were abused. I wonder if there will be any former pages doing that.
It is amusing when these tawdry gay things happen with members of the party that gains votes by bashing gays. Will the Republicans be able to keep enough of their base to allow Diebold manipulations to occur without being obvious?
There are several points here:
1. The Page School is a school.
2. The Page Board runs the Page School.
3. Schools are mandated reporters.
Why weren’t the police called?
Why haven’t the police been called?
Who is in on this coverup?
Hastert, Boehner, Blunt, Reynolds, Shimkus: all have breached their in loco parentis trust to these young people and their parents. They must all resign.
And, how many Pages got emails and IMs from Foley? Finally, was this the full extent of the contact?
Good on Aravosis, by the way — terrific commentary, and a great smackdown of Carol Lin for not being up-to-date about the NCMEC statement!
Mommybrain @ 58
Of course. My question was rhetorical. *g*
Dems must be ready to combat the inevitable framing of this story by Republicans.
The framing I anticipate is “it’s such a shame that the depraved culture created by liberals and Hollywood and gays and Clinton snared such a good man as Foley.”
It’s coming. I guarantee it. Take it to the bank.
Eli @ 56
Sadly, I had thought of this too. While this is a politically advantageous story for us, as a gay man, I’ve been wondering whether this will just end up ‘perpetuating the stereotype’.
And so help me, if one gay group pops up to defend this guy, I’ll go down there and smack them down personally. This guy has helped set back gay rights 10 years. (and yeah, I know, not 10 years. It was a metaphor)
WASHINGTON – Rep. Thomas Reynolds, head of the House Republican election effort, said he told Speaker Dennis Hastert after learning a fellow GOP lawmaker sent inappropriate messages to a teenage boy
Emphasis mine. Not emails, messages
shooogarp @ 63
I predicted that one too. *All* immorality in this country is due to Hollywood and gays and Clinton, and this is why Permissiveness And Sexual Freedom Are Bad.
karen allen @ 57
I can’t believe that he would Tholey it all away.
{chanelling Punaise}
off topic
does anyone have a CLUE how bob woodward is getting away with his expose?
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0930.html
it’s BRUTAL
I am quite a bit leary after what he did to protect them in the plaime case, but this buook REALLY looks promising
anyone have any ideas what’s come over him?
Redshift @ 42
I too have been thinking along these lines: FWIW, I think Foley may turn out to be a clinical case study. On one level is the hypocrisy of his being a sponsor of an anti-child molesting law and on the other, he seems to be a sex predator.
However, from a clinical point of view, the first Foley and the second Foley may not really be in touch with the other. The guy may be acting out some kind of inner demon he cannot control, and the other side of him loathes this creepy side but can’t do anything about it in his behavior, but he can sponsor legislation to protect children.
This doesn’t excuse anything he did, but it may partly explain why he does what he does. If he done wrong, put him away. But the guy may also be seriously clinical.
It would be nice if we could get Pach’s speculation on what may be going on inside Foley’s skull.
Dover Bitch @
48
Brilliant.
Many years ago I needed a survivors job outta college. So I took a position as a county deputy probation officer in northern California.
Let me tell you, things have not changed much when it comes to the abuse of children.
Most of the monsters who commit these horrendous crimes get away with it. Why? Because these, in most cases, poor little victims do their crying on the inside. They are too embarrassed and afraid to tell anyone about what they are going through. These children are very special people. They are members of a very exclusive club. A club populated only by those who have been and are being emotionally and physically killed by “grown-ups”. These sometimes tiny victims of the ultimate human horror live their pathetic little lives worrying constantly about when and where the next attack will come from. And the attack will surely come, as does day turn into night. And they cry. And they cry. And they cry. We just don’t see it. The abuse of our kids is a form of murder. For it kills the spirit.
shooogarp @ 67
Actually, I would prefer to believe that punaise would not be joking about such a matter.
me to me @ 68
He probably just saw which way the wind was blowing.
Angie,
Glad to see you put “leadership” in quotes…this is nothing more than republican 2000 brand LOYALTY AT ANY COST…they DON’T CARE about anything other than POWER! Of course the parents don’t want this out…I wouldn’t want this out but I would fight for my son’s rights regardless of any ‘embarassment’ that may befall him or our family. This is a victim…unlike the of age opportunist that gave her dress for a spot check only to later become a handbag maven.
karen allen @ 57
Umm, in Punaise’s absence, I’ll do my best:
There once was a rep named Foley,
Whose demeanor was oh, so holy,
But, he enticed a boy page,
Who was but a third of his age,
And now, Foley’s holy has turned holey….
shooogarp @ 51
I was just pointing out the hypcrosity of the GOP for the way they acted about the Clinton-Monica scandal. The Gop acted as if the world had ended and now they coverup something thats a hell of a lots worse.Hence my original post
I just got back from doorknocking for Eric Massa’s campaign, haven’t read a lick of today’s goings on, so forgive me if this has been covered.
Those in the know about the district to the west of me in Western New York believe that l’affaire Foley may put Tom Reynolds, Chair of the National Republican Campaign Committee (NRCC)out of business – that he may be the designated scapegoat to save Hastert’s political ass. From RochesterTurning:
BREAKING!!!
Cnn now reporting that Hastert’s office is saying he was ‘probably personally’ informed of the Foley matter, but that he ‘doesn’t remember’.
Oh I C. He doesn’t remember. His assistant whip had inappropriate conduct towards a page and he doesn’t remember. Does he really think anyone will buy that?
ABC’s next docudrama:
Path to Pedophelia
and of course….it’s all Clinton’s fault.
Nuero—I’m with you on that one.
dratty @ 78
I guess he hears about that kind of thing all the time.
So whaddya think? Any chance this will bring down Hastert or Boehner?
Phil K @ 37
That’s true. I saw a quote from the White House saying the President was “disappointed” by this.
I will bet a dollar that if it concerned a Democrat, they would be “shocked and outraged.”
Eli @ 56
That’s where I thought Aravosis shown today with Carol Lin — he said twice that Foley’s emails (to a sixteen year old boy, commenting on another sixteen year old’s hot body) were CREEPY. And, John said that no one should have thought that these emails were okay, or innocent. Remember, this exchange was in the emails, not the more recently disclosed IMs that the GOP leadership says they never saw or knew about.
It was great, to me, to hear a gay man making that argument on CNN.
“Mark Foley Determined To Harass Underage Boys Inside The U.S.”
neurophius @ 72
No offense intended.
Eli @ 56
It’s already started. There was a conservative caller to Ed Schultz yesterday who was talking exactly that line.
Mimir-
That is awesome. How did you remember the reporter, the issue, the web site . . . incredible. Google? Please don’t say Google or autism.
Margot @ 83
Have a look at Bush’s comments upon signing Foley’s bill into law. They were “appropriately” stern.
Stern now? Um, not so much.
Redshift @ 87
Sigh.
karen allen @ 57
hey karen allen, I can’t comment on Foley’s Follies until after midnight, when a month-long self-imposed FDL hiatus expires.
Hastert was chosen by Delay to be Speaker. That should tell you a lot right there. He chose Denny because he was a “go along to get along” kind of a guy guaranteed to do what he was told and not ask too many questions. So that he didn’t do anything and didn’t ask any questions in this Foley matter is not surprising at all.
Steve Gilliard has a great post up. Seems Foley(R-Neverland) thankyou TBOGG introduced a bil last spring re child modeling sites on the internet-that it amounted to child pornography. As far as stop-me-before-I-kill, what about that FBI guy that got nailed for child pornography? Completely nuts.
I suspect that the conservative takeaway from this will not be, “Congressional Republicans are completely amoral and corrupt”, but rather, “More proof that gay men are pedophiles.”
Yeah. But, hey, they’re all in the closet, right?
Where’s the 60 foot Therapod on this one? He must be laughing his tail off.
me to me @ 68
yeah, i think this is woodie’s revenge. recall that neither bushie nor his boss would chat with woodie for this book. that’s what access journalists do when you take away their precious access — they turn on you.
too bad, w.
too bad, bigtime.
Actually, in spite of my snarky post @37, I don’t think this is going to fade away. It’s a weekend; the story came out on a Friday. Only the weekend news crews and news-junkies or political junkies are paying attention right now.
For most people right now (this weekend), it’s “some Congressman resigned, and I’ll find out about it Monday”. These guys knowingly coddled a predator for almost a year. Outgoing pages were warning incoming pages about Foley. His predation was becoming folklore among the pages, fergodzsake!
At the rate Republicans are attempting to throw each other under the bus this weekend, it’s going to be so, so bad! All of us know how disillusioned and disappointed we get when some Democrats vote for torture or Scalito or whatever — so try to imagine the disillusionment and betrayal RW (and non-RW) Christians will be feeling Monday. I’m not sure if this is something that will hit everybody at the same time, but it’s gonna hit a lot of people who voted R last time.
nobrakes @ 93
I prefer Foley (R-NAMBLA).
…the depraved culture created by liberals and Hollywood and gays and Clinton…
from shooogarp – or is it Eli? I can’t read those damn blockquotes worth a damn.
I had a conversation today with a guy collecting money for Turkey Dinners for the homeless. A woman overheard us talking about the lack of civil discourse in our society and said something to that effect (the quote above). This Guy and I looked at each other and he waved me to go ahead.
I said that in my opinion the real cause is runaway capitalism. It was conservatives who deregulated radio and TV because, well, it stifles competition, prevents them from making a decent profit, blah blah blah.
Before Reagan, we had the family hour, the fairness doctrine and much more civil tongues in our heads. AFter, not so much. The sex and violence we see in movies and TV and everywhere else in our society are not only the product of the fevered Hollywood imaginations. Equally to blame are the corporate masters who bought Reagan (great book called Caifornia, Inc. about that) and pushed deregulation for the sake of a few extra bucks.
Well, if looks could kill… but both This Guy and I felt a lot better after she stalked off. I think being verbally bitch-slapped by my so- called friend the other day loosened some restraints in me.
TeddySanFran @ 61
great re-statement!
Makes ya wonder what the goopers really meant with “no child left behind”: the backside of the curve, or the backsides in the Page School?
Gross old pederasts.
Lincoln freed the slaves.
House goopers humped the boys.
It’s not my grandmother’s GOP, that’s for sure.
RBG @ 80
I’ll second that. It’s not a laughing matter.
That said: spew warning re watertiger
bye for now
montag @ 75
Well done!
…the depraved culture created by liberals and Hollywood and gays and Clinton…
from shooogarp – or is it Eli? I can’t read those damn blockquotes worth a damn.
It was shooogarp, although I had expressed a similar thought earlier (possibly at Eschaton).
TeddySanFran @
61
and who other than Foley has been sending naughty emails to these boys?
Dang—I sure am looking forward to midnight.
Foley’s offices remain open, pending election of his replacement.
http://clerk.house.gov/members…..th/pr.html
Prof @ 2
The way the media handled that bill ain’t right. Legal authorization for torture and withholding of habeas rights are indefensible, and indeed, are either morally or legally as bad as molesting children. However, the two are legitimately separate questions, and if the media are going to ask questions about sex perverts who use some of the most politically powerful offices in this country to enable their perversions and colleagues who find it acceptable to cover up those actions for the sake of political expediency, I say more damned power to ‘em.
EvilDrPuma @ 107
Capone. Tax evasion. ‘Nuff said.
Margot @ 83
Junya was “disappointed” that Foley was caught.
Junya was “disappointed” that the media caught on.
Junya was “disappointed” that the Torture Bill didn’t give Foley immunity.
Junya was “disappointed” that someone woke him up from his nap.
Well then. We’re not only producing more terrorists, we’re producing more gays! (That’s not my thought process but the fundies equate gays to child molesters.) So the logical argument to idiots like Robertson and Dobson would be that he (Glory Foley) was turning teenage boys into gays.
Mad Dogs @ 109
WhoTF is “DISAPPOINTED” by pedophilia???
Is there any particular significance to the use of a photo of Hastert with David Dreier hovering in the background? Just askin’…
montag @ 89
Bush is the worst kind of hypocrite and liar, and not implausibly a sociopath. I expect nothing else from him than politically expedient whinging.
shooogarp @ 51
Yeah, you notice that the sensational Catholic Church scandal was only about boys, even though not all the victims were boys. It conveniently let them declare that the problem was that the priests were GAY!, and it didn’t have anything to do with celibacy and church practices.
Eli @ 108
I’d call this a bit more serious than tax evasion. No, it isn’t everything we could hope or ask that these bastards face charges for. But it is damned serious.
nobrakes @ 110
He wasn’t just a closet gay, he was a closet *Democrat*! The Republicans are totally absolved!
Phew, glad that’s settled. For a second there I thought maybe the Republicans weren’t the Moral Values Party after all.
Mommybrain @ 99
I do recall your post the other day concerning your friend. I say let it fly. Fuck em’ It’s like Stephen Colbert said in a commencement address. “They’re playing for keeps out there…” Hit em’ hard. Call them out like Clinton did to Chris Wallace. They gloves are off.
ATTAAAAAAAAACKKKKKKKK!
after midnight
we gonna let it all hang out
>I am quite a bit leary after what he did to protect them in the plame case, but this book REALLY looks promising
>anyone have any ideas what’s come over him?
From what I’ve read so far, I think Woodward is still doing their bidding, and trying to spin it so that Rumsfeld takes the fall and Bush & Kissinger look good. To me, Woodward has as much integrity and guts as McCain, Spectre and Graham, i.e. NONE.
Foley had an 88% OK voting score from the H.R.C. – the best of any Republican.
diogenes @ 27
Their souls aren’t our problem. Their crimes are.
Eli @ 116
Just wait. When the Goopers are done spinning this it’ll be that the KID was a Democrat and seduced poor ol’ Bob.
The timeline of the resignation of the Clerk of the House will be critical in this story, I suspect. We still have vague numbers of months mentioned by the GOP “we-haven’t-got-our-stories-straight” leadership. But if the Clerk of the House departed after Shimkus decided to keep a lid on this story, or if Shimkus prevailed upon a newly hired Clerk to keep quiet, this could make the House Banking Scandal look, well, petty (which it was).
Recall, please, that the House Banking Scandal helped change control of the House in 1994.
EvilDrPuma @ 115
It’s undeniably very bad, but it’s objectively pretty minor when compared to (probably) thousands of people imprisoned and tortured without trial, and (at least) tens of thousands of people killed outright. And that’s not even getting into all of their domestic incompetence and malfeasance against the poor, the environment, NOLA, etc.
Redshift @ 114
Great point.
3sivund @ 91
Woo! Late Night’s gonna be hopping tonight!
Mommybrain:
Sounds like you’ve Had Enough.
Eli @ 56
Maybe; and that’s why I’m not touching the question of Foley’s orientation. I refuse to aid and abet such bigotry.
dratty @ 122
IMHO, the IM text doesn’t support it – the kid is the passive one. But that won’t matter, they’ll just say he was being coy.
DD @ 74–
precisely.
Redshift @ 126
hey, punaise, why not set your hiatus to expire on east coast time?
Grumpy Ogrish Pederasts.
-GSD
shooogarp @
79
That is too good to pass by quickly!
Hi Eli @98 Great one. I like that too. Now we need to get on talk radio as much as possible and keep this on air.
If this isn’t in my morning paper, prominently, tomorrow not only will it be ltte time but I will walk the 3 blocks to the News office and ask to speak with the editor personally.
Ugh. I’d rather not.
On the one hand, whenever you start to try to understand or explain the etiology of some pathological behavior like this, people always think you’re excusing it, no matter how many times you repeat you’re not arguing against personal accountability, just working to understand, from a human developmental, psychological and social point of view.
With that as a framework, I would say that a character like this has his whole personality and identity (identities) compartmentalized. This makes for a very stressful and uneasy psychological balance, to say the least.
The public persona is at once a defense against the private one, trying to keep a lid on the sexual development or maturity of the person’s sexuality, whatever it may be, and also a kind of camouflage whose purpose is to deflect any suspicion away from the person’s secret pursuits. I’m sure Christy has seen this from the prosecutor’s point of view as well. Thus a kind of authoritarian sexual puritanism coexists with pathology rooted in an inability to integrate adult sexual intimacy into one’s personality and development.
As Glenn Greenwald points out, given the age ranges of this guy’s apparent sexual fantasy objects (that’s shrink language for things we desire or hate, including people), he’s not really a “pedophile” though he’s probably a damaged person whose sexual maturity never got out of the high school age of development. This happens to straight and gay guys, and even to women, but it may happen marginally more among some gay men, especially those of a certain age or cultural/religious background, since their backgrounds may make the development of a healthy, adult sexuality much more difficult.
None of that excuses exploitation, child sexual exploitation, etc. None of that absolves people from personal accountability and responsibility. The level of this guy’s hypocrasy, given his role in Congress in crafting child predator laws, is staggering.
What’s in his brain? I don’t know, but right now, that Jim Morrison line from Riders on the Storm comes to mind: he’s probably squirming like a toad. If he uses this to cooperate with the authorities, change his life and get himself some help, then that’s as good as he can do, while taking whatever he has coming to him by way of consequences. Will he do that? I have no idea. In all liklihood, his first thoughts are about trying to lie or manipulate his way out of anything he can, since that’s what his whole life has been built on.
Eli @ 124
I agree that child molestation and this particular coverup are objectively less systematic than detention without trial or widespread torture of detainees. I don’t agree that it’s objectively “pretty minor.”
dratty @ 122: When the Goopers are done spinning this it’ll be that the KID was a Democrat and seduced poor ol’ Bob.
I don’t remember where I saw it, but that’s already started: Surely this honorable Congressman was seduced by a devious and horny eenager!
EvilDrPuma @ 107
I would so love to see DeLay nailed on this somehow. After all, there was a long DeLay by the House leadership in taking action…
EvilDrPuma @ 136
“Compared to” is the key. By itself, absolutely not. And, ironically, in terms of how damaging it is in the public perception, it’s probably *bigger* than all the other Republican carnage.
Mommybrain @ 99
Sounds like an excellent smackdown, Mommybrain!
I’ve long said that I’d have more repect for these conservatives who say they want a completely unfettered market if they didn’t always hate the results so much.
(Not that I’d agree with them, but at least I’d respectfully disagree rather than just thinking they’re idiots.)
Pach, 135:
You gave me more than I asked for. Thanks.
dratty @ 78
If that is false, then Hastert is a sleazebag liar. If it is true, then Hastert has a seriously twisted sense of priorities. Either way, he needs to be one of the next to resign, and then he needs to face charges.
What do the Log Cabin Republicans have to say about all this?
(crickets chirping)
Eli @ 139
Eli – Absolutely. Torture foreigners? No prob. Put your paws on my kid, gay man? BIG problem.
angie @ 130
My worldview on this topic has changed greatly since I started dating a single mom (wedding is a week from Sunday!) and have decided to take on the responsibilities of a father. I tell you. Nothing is more important than your child. Decided not to press the issue? WTF?
NO amount of money would keep me from taking that fucker down and demand some justice and accountability.
in 1998 it was observed that if the intern had been Matthew Lewinsky, Clinton would have been gone in a day …
shooogarp @ 145
Let’s assume that the parents are Republicans, and therefore of the same ilk that can actually *apologize* to the Vice President for getting in the way of his shotgun.
The quoted that should be tattooed on the forehead of the GOP house leadership.
“To be a man is, precisely, to be responsible.”
-Antoine de Saint-Exupery
So maybe to redeem himself, in his mind not mine,he’ll spill the beans about who else is involved. There is no doubt at least for me that the bully tactics and lack of oversight are ways of covering up really nasty stuff like this. Sick minds think alike.
Before any GOP thug tries to turn this back on the Democrats, advise them to check out these fine Republicans:
Mark Foley, Randall Casseday, Lou Beres, Larry Dale Floyd, Mark Pazuhanich, Bobby Stumbo, Tom Randall, Armando Tebano, John Collins, Mark Seidensticker, Philip Giordano, Tom Adams, John Gosek, David Swartz, Edison Misla Aldarondo, John R. Curtain, Howard Scott Heldreth, Dennis L. Rader, Nicholas Morency, Tom Shortridge, Strom Thurmond, Mike Hintz, Peter Dibble, Carey Lee Cramer, Lawrence E. King, Jr., Craig J. Spence, Donald “Buz” Lukens, Richard A. Delgaudio, Mark A. Grethen, Randal David Ankeney, Dan Crane, Beverly Russell, Ronald C. Kline, Robert Bauman, Jeffrey Patti, Marty Glickman, Howard L. Brooks, John Hathaway, Stephen White, Jon Matthews, Earl “Butch” Kimmerling, Paul Ingram, Kevin Coan, Andrew Buhr, Keith Westmoreland, John Allen Burt, Keola Childs, John Butler, Richard Gardner, Jack W. Gardner, Merrill Robert Barter, Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr., Parker J. Bena, Larry Jack Schwarz, Robin Vanderwall, Mark Harris, Jon Grunseth, Steve Aiken, Nicholas Elizondo, Russell Harding, Richard A. Dasen Sr.
OT : Dodgers make the playoffs !!
(oh and sorry about the Tori Amos comment)
Redshift @
42
It’s called “reaction formation,” one of those basic psychological defense mechanisms, and is right up there with “projection,” the other defense mechanism employed by authoritarian GOP members.
Wikipedia has a good article about it. The example they give is of the person who is acutely aroused by pornography, whose subconscious means of defense is then to join as many anti-pornography groups as possible.
I wrote about this here last night. While you don’t have to be a creepy perv to join the GOP, creepy pervs everywhere are attracted to authoritarianism as a subconscious means to try to control themselves. That’s why these stories are all about folks with an “R” after their names.
We need to make this psychological truth a well-known and well-understood phenomenon — the more authoritarian an institution, the more likely they will draw people who are internally desperate for “control,” even though it will always be a futile effort.
nobrakes @ 149
He needs to do some bean-spilling, but there’s no redemption to be had for this.
I put up Mark Twain’s quote last night that we have only one native criminal class and that’s Congress but I have to wonder if you took a similar sample size of humanity, would you find as many felons?
Dover Bitch @ 150
Of course, if they can name even *one* Democrat, that absolves them all. Too bad for them that Dick Morris switched sides.
as I observed earlier, Denny Hastert is a former high school teacher and wrestling coach himsef. Of all people, he is not unaware of the issues of teens and sex and adults.
Being selected by your Congressperson to be a Page is a terrific honor. Long ago, I competed and lost (we were represented by a GOP congresscritter, and I learned too late that selection is political, not simply meritocratic).
I did have friends and (later) family who were selected, and I learned from them Rule One of Paging:
ALL MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ARE YOUR SUPERVISORS
So, in addition to the school aspect of this scandal, and the underage aspect, and the preyed upon while away-from-home for the first time aspect, there’s an EMPLOYMENT aspect: Mark Foley was the direct supervisor of these boys. To explain the power dynamic a little better, imagine that Pages are lower than Interns — because on Capitol Hill, they are.
Lonely. Away from home, school and friends. Lowest in a completely heirarchical system — and suddenly, someone from the very top of the pyramid, a member of the House Leadership is paying attention to you! And for the slimiest and most despicable of motives.
Where are the police?
Where is Mark Foley?
Why isn’t the media camped out asking Mark Foley for answers?
*ilson46201 @ 156
I dunno, I’ve seen some pretty mind-numbingly ignorant high school teachers and wrestling coaches in my time.
EvilDrPuma @ 142
“Doesn’t remember”? Sounds like Hastert is getting ready to cop the Libby defense.
Hey Dr. Dean (or better yet, a non-affiliated 527 group),
I’ve got your new ad for you, a little ad I’d like to call “I AM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!”. Here’s the text for the ad:
“These men are the Republican Party. First up, we have Beverly (Stepdaughter Shuffle) Russle, head of the Christian Coalition in North Carolina and imfamous rapist of his daughter-in-law, Susan Smith. In fact, he raped Ms. Smith just two weeks before she drowned her two boys. What a valuble contributor Mr. Russle is to the moral clarity of which the Republicans seek.”
“Next, we have Don “Sleeper-Hold” Sherwood, a Republican from Ohio(?) who had to put his young lover in her place with a choke hold so that perhaps she could see his moral clarity for herself. Would he do it to your daughter? He Sherwood!”
“And so now we have “Fisty” Foley from Florida, and his enablers, the entire Republican House Leadership who not only left him in charge of the “Child Protection” issue, but apparently knew of his outrageous actions and did not tell anyone, including the parents or the pages he had contact with and was trying to seduce.”
“When taken into combination with the Senate Majority Leader Frist judged Terri Schiavo to be alive from a few seconds of grainy video footage when in reality 98% of her brain was tragically liquified and President Bush who calls the chaos and misery, including 3000 dead U.S. soldiers and 20,000 wounded ones, in Iraq “just a comma” and you as a voter have to answer only one question: HAD ENOUGH YET?”
Obviously, it would have to be cleaned up a bit by someone who can actually write and some of the nicknames (especially “fisty” :)) need to be edited, but it is about time that we put THEIR character on freaking trial, regardless of how people on our side wanna play fair. Screw fair, no one wins fair and square, and the Regressives sure as fuck don’t. They’d rape a nun to knock her up just to produce another “values voter” and sing “God Bless America” while doing so.
Raoul
neurophius @ 159
If anything, the claim of amnesia is even more extraordinary here. Hastert can try it, but it ain’t gonna take Fitz to bring him down if he does.
Another possible slogan: If you can’t trust them with your kids, how can you trust them with your country?
Hey shooogarp @ 145– congratulations to you!
Hugh @ 162
I have a variation on this already in my Late Nite post, which will talk about progressive values versus GOP values, encompassing but not limited to the current scandal.
angie @ 163
Thanks!
{sweating bullets…trying to remember if I ordered my tux…}
Reynolds is already covering his own ass. Reynolds and Boehner have now both said they told Hastert. Hastert is now saying he may have been told but doesn’t remember. I’m guessing he also doesn’t remember doing anything about it. Still waiting for more pages to come forward…
Oh I agree there is no redemption. I also think that there is no rehabilitation for predators. Instead of prison they should be used as experimental subjects. That way the poor animals won’t suffer any more and the testing would be more accurate. Then when they are used up they can be euthanized.
After all you wouldn’t want them in your neighborhood would you? I wouldn’t. I guess I don’t consider them totally human.
And yes I was a victim of abuse as a child even though I’ve blocked most of it out.
Might it be time to declare war on the corporate media?
malcontent @ 168
I think it’s been time for that for quite a while now.
Hugh @ 162
House Republican leaders Dennis Hastert and John Boehner coddled a pedophile and covered up his actions. Republican politicians are endangering our children. Pass it on…
A daddy and a husband… cool. I’ll help find you a tux if you forgot. Lucky child to have picked you for a dad.
The Speaker of the House is third in line in Presidential succession. As such, I expect a story of the Speaker’s cover-up of a sexual impropriety to get at least a third of news time devoted to the Presidential cover-up of a sexual impropriety. So, I’m expecting a good solid eight hours a day on SCANDAL IN THE HOUSE. With it’s own logo. And theme music. And a montage of Hastert where they desaturate the color, make it grainy, and slow him down so he looks extra evil.
Presidential cover-up, 24 hour coverage. Speaker cover-up, eight hours. Fair is fair.
Was this kind of report really so run-of-the-mill that Hastert has forgotten it? How many reports of minor predation by GOP Members does the Speaker get?
I just heard the TV news: the GOP spin on Foley is shaping up to something like this: Yes, we heard about some emails from Foley to pages months ago, but they were “ambiguous” in content, nothing like some of the “explicit” emails that have since been revealed.
So they have staked out a position that gives them deniability and wiggle room. They are trying to set it up so that Foley twists in the wind all by himself.
If you buy that, I know a wonderful bridge that spans the East River I can sell you…real cheap.
Pachacutec @ 135
Bold is mine. I suspect that a “he is, he isn’t” disagreement on this very point could be heated and injurious to say the least.
Not staking out an position either way here, and certainly not meaning to provoke that very disagreement.
Just recognizing that some of this stuff is not easily analyzed, and even more difficult to discuss.
cleter @ 172
Great, so it’ll get a third of the coverage Jeff Gannon got.
I can’t wait for Jon Stewart and Colbert to get on this. Yowzah.
When Nancy Grace and Rita Cosby get back on the air Monday, I expect this to be their reason for being.
TeddySanFran @ 173
My question exactly, and I hope someone asks it of him.
Mad Dogs @ 175
I’m willing to stipulate that a 52-year-old congressman lewdly and explicitly soliciting a 16-year-old page is a Very Bad And Inappropriate Thing, regardless of how one labels it.
TeddySanFran @ 173
It’s hard work being Speaker. So many things to remember…Lunch with Abramoff? Scheming session with Rove? Rubberstamping presidential power grabs? House Republican fooling around with teenage pages? Saying Democrats want to “cut and run?” Oh, wait…
*ilson46201 @ 156
Not to mention some very real, genuine issues related to in loco parentis responsibilities.
Dover Bitch @ 178
That’s sarcasm, right?
orangejumpsuit @ 174
Aravosis pre-empted this deniability by repeatedly discussing in detail the creepy nature of the emails the GOP leadership first heard about. There really is nothing innocent or ambiguous about them — only in light of the REALLY creepy shit do the first set look not-so-bad.
Eli @ 176
No, no, no. A third of the Lewinsky coverage. That was 24/7, so I figure 8 hours a day seems reasonable. Not the Gannon coverage, that would be…let’s see, what’s one third of nothing? 0.003?
Eli: agreed.
Eli @ 182
Well, I’ll believe it when I see it. (Not that I’ll be watching)
TeddySanFran @ 183
I think the e-mails were survivable; the IMs were not. Foley clearly made the same calculation, since he didn’t fold until he learned they had the latter.
Dover Bitch @ 178
I hadn’t thought of that, I hope you’re right. The last time I recall a story with this potential was when DeadEye shot Harry in the face.
Could a phrase like “GOP child sex abuse” or “GOP child sex scandal” help to tie the discussion to the sexual abuse (as opposed to the goopers’ old standby, homophobia?)
Yep, a 16 y/o isn’t what most people think of as a child – but the events clearly constitute sexual abuse of minors…and “child” is one non-jargons synonym for minor.
I’m looking for a pithy phrase connecting “GOP” with deservedly reviled, incendiary word pictures for child molestation. Anyone up for meme crafting?
“GOP child sex perversion” has the elements, but it’s too wordy…
Am I looking for a way that the very real human tragedy the goopers’ child sex crimes brought about may be used against the goopers? Yes.
I’ve worked with survivors of child sex abuse; my fellowship (the training beyond my psychiatry residency training) was half in “trauma psychiatry”. Sexual violence is one of the most pervasive forms of trauma.
The GOP congressmen (and Senators?) who abused the pages chose to commit child sex crimes. Their colleagues who knew of the accusations and chose silence or inaction are complicit in these crimes.
The goopers will spin their conspiracy of silence about child sex crimes by blaming gays, the pages, Clinton, the liberal media, and rabid ovine bloggers – all at once!
I’m hoping powerful precise memeology may so powefully anneal this child sex perversion scandal to the GOP that ‘GOP’ and ‘pervert’ become as synoymous as ‘Democrat’ and ‘liberal’.
[PS: My sincere apologies to my friends from the Folsom Street Fair!]
cleter @ 184
I think I’m closer. Remember when we were all so *sure* that Gannongate was going to be a huge deal, and it amounted to no more than a fart in a hurricane? I really hope this will be different, but I fear it won’t be.
The media has been a *little* less friendly to the Republicans since Bush’s approval ratings have hit the 30s, but I still don’t trust ‘em to really stick the knife in.
Any way you look at it, it’s going to be hard to explain why Alexander went to the RNCC instead of the Ethics committee and why if Reynolds told Hastert, etc. Why did they sit on this for so long (no pun intended) endangering how many more kids. This time it is both the crime AND the cover-up. IMHO
Calling Keith O. I wonder what O’Reilly’s take on this will be?
If I was involved in covering up the sexual harrasment of one of my students, I would so be history. But then, I am not House Speaker Baron Harkonnen (R-Illinois).
kirk murphy @ 189
“The morally degenerate GOP”?
Eli @ 187
They were survivable by themselves, I agree. By they were definitely creepy enough to merit a genuine investigation. Especially after the recipient himself complained about them. They’re going into an election, so it’s going to be risky using the “We’re not guilty. We’re just completely incompetent” defense.
Or “morally bankrupt GOP”.
Eli at 179 says:
So stipulated! Much better than Junya’s “disappointment”.
Will Hastert say:
“No one could have known…..”
-GSD
this whole thing is exploding so fast, the circle of GOPers who had some sort of knowledge and responsibility regarding these allegations seems to widen the hours, and there’s so much CYA activity going on you have to take screen shots of every news website on the quarter hour and keep the tivo running night and day just to catch all the various permutations and accusations and prevarications the GOP is throwing up against the wall, sometimes with the help of the MSM ::cough:: WaPo:: cough…
In all of this, let’s remember there is at least one if not more young person who got creepy and obscene messages from a man who had a lot of power over him and other young people in the House Page program. Some reports say his parents wanted their privacy about this matter. I hope that young person is ok, and that his well-being is now protected and supported by everyone, the press, the GOP, and the general public. Someone did obtain and give to at least one reporter pages of Foley’s Ims. That was a good thing to do, for the sake of other young people in House Page program, present and future.
But let’s try to be gentle in our comments about this one particular young man and perhaps others who are not willing to speak out about improper behavior they may have experienced, let’s be kind and protective of this teenager, please. I don’t need to know his name, or what city he lives in, unless he steps forward to publicly speak about what happened. If he doesn’t do so, I don’t mind. I will keep his well-being and healing in my prayers.
Mad Dogs @ 196
That word choice still pisses me off. But I guess if civil war and torture and tens of thousands of deaths are just a comma, we should be impressed that Foley’s actions rate something as strong as disappointment.
I’d still like to hear someone ask Bush if that’s really the full extent of his feelings on the subject. If one of his Yale buddies had crudely propositioned Jenna or not-Jenna when they were 16, would he have been merely “disappointed”?
(Actually, I’m not entirely sure he’d even care, come to think of it…)
I suggest that we contact the omsbudsman at the Washington Post about the discrepencies in the various versions of the Boehner story. I understand that she is both extremely competent and scrupulously fair.
orangejumpsuit @ 174
It is the nature of worms to squirm. And it seems that nature cannot be denied.
Mad Dogs: re, nomeclature.
Sigh. This is why I didn’t really want to answer orangejumpsuit’s original question.
Coming from the perspective of my training and experience in working with clients, including abusers and abuse victims/survivors, when I try to use words from a careful perspective, people often think I’m trying to say something is not “bad” or should be “approved of.” But that’s not what I’m doing. I understand the emotional nature of this kind of thing, and why it tends to circumvent cool analysis. Still, I think our politics and public policy benefit from thinking as clearly as we can.
But just in case anyone missed it, I think a 50-something man abusing his position of trust and power to seek sexual gratification from 16 year old kids is a REALLY BAD THING, whatever you call it and whatever the applicable law may be, full stop.
Dover Bitch @ 178
It had better be…at least for Rita Cosby. She practically lived in Durham for weeks covering the Duke lacrosse incident. If she’s not all over this, Dan Abrams’ inbox is going to be flooded.
Dave Latchaw @ 200
And tremendously, spectacularly, superhumanly civil.
Kirk, imho, this is about failures in supervision by Hastert, Boehner …. wrt age inappropriate sex and the felonies that resulted from that. What did Hastert and Boehner know? When did they know it? What did they do about it?
angie @ 171
No. I’m the lucky one. I am SO marrying up. The little one is definintely getting an education though. I think she is the only four-year old who can pronounce the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s name.
nobrakes @ 191
Aravosis posits a connection between Reynolds and Foley; about the time Alexander made the report to Reynolds, Foley’s chief-of-staff became Reynolds’. So, perhaps the referral of the problem wasn’t to the Congressman leading the NRCC, but to the Congressman whose chief of staff had prior experience dealing with this “issue” of Congressman Foley’s?
Incidentally, the chief of staff, presumably still Reynolds’, has been helping Foley deal with the current crisis in recent days.
I’m with you Ruby Tuesday. Let no one forget that this is not a victimless crime. I hope that, for their sake, the fallout from this doesn’t make things worse for them. The GOP leadership haven’t made it any easier for them by trying to save their own hides, though.
Dover Bitch @ 208
Agreed. But if these kids get outed and smeared, I’m pretty sure it’s not going to be by us.
Hastert knew about Foley.
Hastert just SAID he didn’t know.
Rice knew about Terrorist threat to attack inside the US with airplanes.
Rice just SAID “Who could have known about airplane attacks.”
ALL THE BETTER TO PROTECT OUR POWER, M’DEAR!
And where is former Congressman Foley now? Have the GOP leadership allowed a child predator to leave the jurisdiction? Isn’t that aiding and abetting? Or accessorizing after the fact?
CLK @ 210
Note my comment at 3:14…
MattO’s offering a new thread.
Pachacutec @ 202
Some precision is probably wise. Labelling always tends to have associated connotations which can lead one astray. For that reason, defining what Foley is alleged to have done is probably sufficient. His behavior was predatory and sexual in nature. It should be enough, if any label is required, to see his actions, if proven, as those of a sexual predator, no more, no less.
Although the more egregious of his alleged actions seem to have predated the very law he sponsored, that law provides the definition of his actions, sexual predation via the internet.
???
Can you spell conspiracy boys and girls? If this clique at the pinnacle of power agreed to keep this crime a secret for a year or so, shouldn’t they be considered culpable? I want to talk to my attorney. I know my rights..oh yeah nevermind.
nobrakes @ 215
Someone should definitely look into this. It’ll probably be sometime in mid-November.
Eli at 190 says:
I’m with you on that.
The very next “white woman missing” story will have the MSM clutching their pearls and things like “Torture Bills” and “GOP Juvenile Sex Predators” will fall right off their scope.
The typical Conventional Wisdom adage for the MSM: is “If it bleeds, it leads”.
A less known but equally and harshly enforced MSM adage is: “If it’s old, it folds”.
News lifespans are apparently measured in nanoseconds.
Mad Dogs @ 217
I can’t remember – did Gannon get bumped by a Missing White Woman story? My recollection was that the media was never very interested in him to begin with.
Mommybrain @ 99
I’m getting less restrained too. It’s getting to the ‘nature, red in tooth and claw’ part of me and sometimes, in the course of human events…
ya gotta get there.
Could someone summarize the Gannon story for me?
The more things change, the more they stay the same
The Reagan/Bush Senior White House
Dave Latchaw @
200
You a funny guy.
John Casper @ 205
John, in turns of the malfeasance of the GOP Congressional leadership, I couldn’t agree more.
I fear that sober questions – fact based questions – of prudent and competent governance do not decide elections or voters.
(Even the DNC seems to agree – if competency were the only issue, why not just paper the nation with “Iraq/Katrina” fliers?)
Unfortunately, the goopers and their complicit media aren’t winning elections on logic. They are winning by tying their opponents to viscerally repulsive memes. The disgust and contempt the GOP shackle to their opponents beats the cerebral appeals, every time.
“Child sex scandal” or “child sex abuse” sure seem to jump out of the IM’s (no pun intended or desired)….I’m hoping they’ll jump out of voters’ psyches when they hear “GOP Congress”.
Emotionally manipulative? Yes.
Yes. I want to win. I want to see the Republic restored.
Of course, I won’t and don’t want to do that at the expense of those victimized by the GOP’s child sex abuse. Finding the right words may not be easy, but I think it will be worth it…..
shoooo, here it is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon
Breaking: Hastert’s office releases statement on Speaker’s office’s “internal review” …
INTERNAL REVIEW OF CONTACTS WITH THE OFFICE OF THE SPEAKER REGARDING THE CONGRESSMAN MARK FOLEY MATTER
On Friday, September 29, the Speaker directed his Chief of Staff and Outside Counsel to conduct an internal review to determine the facts and circumstances surrounding contact with the Office of the Speaker regarding the Congressman Mark Foley matter. The following is their preliminary report.
more…
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
nobrakes @ 191
If it didn’t involve loofahs or falafels, I doubt he would be interested.
Josh Marshall points out that the pervert abused at least two pages, because the IM’s go back to 2003.
shooogarp @ 220
This guy named James Guckert took a 3 or 4-day ultra-conservative journalism seminar, signed on with an ultra-conservative quasi-news organization called Talon News, and was given a free pass (or rather, several one-day passes) into the White House Press Corps under the assumed name “Jeff Gannon” (this is *not done* – even married female journalists have to be credentialed with their married names rather than their professional names).
He could be counted on to ask questions that were not only creampuffs, but often started out with attacks on liberals and Democrats, making him a useful safety valve for Scotty and Dubya when questioning got rough.
First his alias and questionable credentials came to light, and in the course of trying to find out who he really was, someone (Aravosis, I think) eventually discovered that he was a gay prostitute, with a website with explicit pictures and testimonials by satisfied customers. Later on, White House logs were FOIA’ed, and it was discovered that “Gannon” made several visits to the White House, many of them (IIRC) overnight, or else he failed to check out, or both.
TeddySanFran @ 224
Or I could have just done that…
I think the phrase “Republican child sex scandal,” repeated often enough, could be effective.
I am wondering whether anyone on the Hill (Republicans) talked to anyone at the White House to give them a heads up on this potential nightmare. Rove? Gonzales?
Cozumel @
225
No actual dates put forward, and no Clerk of the House named.
National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Tom Reynolds (N.Y.) issued a statement Saturday in which he said that he had informed Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) of allegations of improper contacts between then-Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) and at least one former male page, contradicting earlier statements from Hastert.
http://www.rollcall.com/issues…..260-1.html
TeddySanFran @ 231
Yup, all very Sgt. Schultz-ish….
TeddySanFran @ 231
Did you catch this?
“The following is their preliminary report.”
Ahh, we reserve the right to change it later (if need be) ; ) LOL
Pachacutec @ 202
Words are such extraordinary things.
Sometimes they are the sparks that set the world on fire.
Sometimes they are the sparks that set one’s heart afire.
You, thankfully, tend toward the latter!
“The following is their preliminary report.”
They consider the Constitution preliminary, so why not?
The fact they issue any kind of preliminary report and on a Saturday indicates they know what kind of firestorm they are enveloped in …
Someone’s gotta get a hold of that clerk.
So is George Allen breathing a huge sigh of relief right now or what? A few minutes out of the hot seat. I wouldn’t be surprised if the story came from his campaign ; )
Also, over at MYDD they’re linking to the fact that Reynolds gave Foley 5k three months after he went to Hastert. NICE.
*ilson46201 @ 237
John Steward would call it a “Category 5 Shitstorm”.
Dover Bitch @ 150
There is a great list at http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..145752/285 I think someone should set it to Modern Major General http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M…..#39;s_Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search= As a kid I memorized this verison http://www.privatehand.com/flash/elements.html It also was used in Studio 60 in this week’s show http://kydem.blogspot.com/2006…..ketch.html
neurophius @ 230
we’ll know they’ve talked with Rove when the pages get swiftboated…
we’ll know they’ve talked with Gonzales when the pages are placed in “protective custody” due to “national security concerns”.
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and now a practical question: how do I get the “Republican child sex scandal” meme out of my head so I can think about dinner?
(blecch…)
Mr. Hastert? Meet the BUS.
MAGIC BUS?
Somebody posted a link here–I can’t find it right now–to a TPM post regarding a preliminary report by Hastert’s office. I suggest everybody go there and read the report–it’s not long. The line they seem to have settled on is that the reason they didn’t tell the Clerk of the House (responsible for the page program) the actual content of the messages–and denied they were sexual in nature–was to PROTECT THE BOY’S PRIVACY.
That does not explain why they did not take immediate action to protect not just the privacy, but the persons, of every other House page.
Sex, double standards, cover-ups, cronyism, we got that in Oklahoma too. I just posted this diary over at KOS, my first attempt at real reporting, as opposed to analysis. I am trying to use this current event to raise fundage for a worthy neophyte Democratic candidate for OK-05.
I could use some recommends to circulate this story, and maybe have an impact.
The line they seem to have settled on is that the reason they didn’t tell the Clerk of the House (responsible for the page program) the actual content of the messages–and denied they were sexual in nature–was to PROTECT THE BOY’S PRIVACY.
I seem to recall the Bush administration using the exact same line to explain why they wouldn’t release the names of post-9/11 Muslim detainees.
neurophius @ 242
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
dratty @ 78
neurophius @ 242
I find this hard to believe from the Party of Schiavo.
Libby’s memory expert will be able to line up some more Republican clients, starting with Hasturd.
the allegation that the House Page staff had warned the kids about Foley is damning – word on the street was out there about that perv…
shooogarp @
248
It’s the party of say-whatever-you-have-to-say-to-make-it-look-like-your-motives-weren’t totally-craven.
If Gannon/Guckert would go public and tell us what the Preznit really likes, we would have a Perfect Shitstorm.
*ilson46201 @ 250
“Stay away from Foley; we don’t want any scandals.”
chisholm @ 238
The ex clerk, Jeff Trandahl is a Republican Lackey of the First order of Gingrich — there is no “getting to him.”
*ilson46201 @ 237
The fact that they could put out a report that fast, must mean that they knew exactly who to talk to and just reported what those people wanted out there. I would think it was all prewritten for a ‘fall back’ plan if their pedophile ring started pulling apart,, but given what I have seen this past 5 years, it is probably just incompetent lies.
immanentize @ 254
Washington, D.C. – September 30, 2005 – The National Fish and Wildlife Foundation announced today that Jeff Trandahl has accepted the position of Executive Director at the Foundation. Trandahl currently serves as Clerk of the US House of Representatives. He plans to assume his new position in November.
http://www.nfwf.org/press/pres…..andahl.cfm
Swimming with the fishes? ; )
jf @ 88
It might be Aspergers Syndrome. they lump it in with autism but they aren’t 100% sure.
Now we need dates added to the Speaker’s Office’s preliminary report, to see when the meetings happened relative to Trandahl’s departure.
Oilfieldguy:
I recommended your diary.
Anything we can do to spotlight and document the extent of the nationwide Republican Sex Scandal is helpful.
GOP — Grand Old Perverts
“Please, leave the children behind.” t-shirts…sheilacameron.com
neurophius @ 259
As usual, it is the protection racket that brings them down.
LOVE THE LOOK ON DRIERS FACE IN THE PHOTO, JANE. DID YOU PICK THAT ONE ON PURPOSE?!?!?
NY Times headline on this story: “GOP Takes A Few Blows”
I would not have gone with that image.
Cozumel @ 256
immanentize @
242
Ox hated playing this song. Too boring for his nimble fingers.
I have always suspected that Rovesputin is a perv. Just a gut feeling. This may be the reason so many of these asswipes do his bidding-he’s got the goods on them.
kirk murphy @
223
Sorry Kirk, I missed it the first time. Yes, I agree, we have to allow the naturally purient aspects of this story to work for us.
Slothrop @
263
some reporter elsewhere had written that Foley had been cruising to an easy 7th term victory…
Another press release …
News from Congressman Dale E. Kildee Contact: Christopher Mansour, Chief of Staff for Congressman Kildee
Congressman Dale Kildee (D-MI), the Democratic Member of the House Page Board, released the following statement today:
“As the Democratic Member of the House Page Board, any statement by Mr. Reynolds or anyone else that the House Page Board ever investigated Mr. Foley is completely untrue.
“I was never informed of the allegations about Mr. Foley’s inappropriate communications with a House Page and I was never involved in any inquiry into this matter.
“The first and only meeting of the House Page Board on this matter occurred on Friday, September 29 at approximately 6 p.m., after the allegations about Mr. Foley had become public.”
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
shooogarp @ 239
And on Monday, he just may.
immanentize @ 241
Nice Imm. I added that to my favorites.
Rock on!
I want to repeat something I posted last night:
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It is time to AAAATTTTAAAACCCKKK!!!!
As Speaker of the House, Hastert is ultimately responsible for how the organization is administered.
The House has a formal program that employs young people (children) as pages. Hastert is ultimately responsible for how that prorgam is administered. Because there are children involved, Hastert has a moral duty to see that they are safeguarded.
So it turns out that a pedophile (Foley) is fooling around with the underage pages. Hastert finds out, and does nothing, for almost a year?
This is an open and shut case. Hastert has breached his moral duty, regardless of whether he broke any laws.
And further, he covered it up.
AAAATTTTAAAACCCKKK!!!!
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Nothing I have read today has changed my opinion.
OK Balrog:
WHO won’t get fooled again?
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 271
I saw the Who play that song live, right after it came out (1968? I can’t remember).
It was Keith Moon’s birthday, and they presented him with a cake.
He scooped up handfuls of it and flung them at the crowd.
I don’t think they minded, they were just happy to see the Who playing their latest hit, live.
*ilson46201 @ 112
Damn *ilson…I wondered the same thing. And the yellow tie!
Paging Mary…
neurophius @ 243
Unacceptable! Next excuse?
I saw the Who play that song live, right after it came out (1968? I can’t remember).
I had tickets to see them in Fresno, June of 1970. The Magic Bus (Magic Bus Tour) broke down and they cancelled. Grrr…
the pages were warned
the pages were warned!
the pages would not have to be warned if this was not an ongoing situation that was being tolerated.
the pages would not have to be warned if someone intended to make the situation right.
the pages were warned!
that tells the tale.
that says it all.
EvilDrPuma @ 275
so they protected his privacy by going outside of Congress (and the US Govt) and telling the GOP Campaign Committee?
Cozumel @ 277
That’s interesting, Cozumel. I’m pretty sure I saw them when I was still living in Oklahoma (I know that’s where the concert took place–at an amusement park). I left there in August, 1969. It must have been a long tour!
neurophius @ 280
Musta been a long tour. I graduated from High Shool in 1970. That concert was supposed to be the last party so to speak before many of us went our seperate ways. Major bummer.
Great catch Coz at 5:09.
GOP Takes a Few Blow-Jobs
It is a sad thing when people forgo doing the right thing in an attempt to hold on to power. Of course, with the sums of money to be made in Iraq, holding on to power is pretty tempting.
No story I’ve read makes clear WHO warned the pages. Other pages? Page School staff? Page school teachers? Former pages? Helpful interns?
I can’t imagine there was a component of Page Training when the Orienteer said, “okay, Pages, turn to section seven of your manual, and you’ll find the pictures of Congresscritters to Avoid.” Or did it happen just like that?
How many pedophiles were tolerated?
For how long?
By whom?
And, I repeat, where is Mark Foley now?
Foley’s at home watching “Flipper” re-runs.
TeddySanFran @ 285
He’s probably back in Florida, hoping his crony Gov. Jeb Bush won’t waive extradition (although I’m sure he is ‘disappointed’ in Foley).
I shouldn’t have said “waive extradition,” that’s what a defendant does when he doesn’t want to fight it. I meant Jebbie wouldn’t >grant extradition.
“And, I repeat, where is Mark Foley now?”
Hiding in a cave with bin Laden?
Mark Foley, why do you hate American children so much?
I am calling this holyfoleygate or goopergropers.
shooogarp @
51
you know the cliche- don’t ever get caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy.
From an idealist perspective, sure orientation SHOULDN’T matter, but in the real world of course it does. If Bill had been getting man-love in the oval office, he would have been forced to resign. But he wasn’t, and since Monica wasn’t dead…
However, if there is email evidence of a coverup in this case, the fallout should destroy the whole party. And since these assholes have already demonstrated that they’re totally unsaavy about using email, I’ll bet dollars to donuts that there’s email to/from Denny about this.
Guess what? Congressman Mark Foley (R-NAMBLA), otherwise known as “Holy Foley,” supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 84 percent in 2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issu…..nservative
More at TPM LOL
Reading the press release tonight from Speaker Hastert’s office is interesting on a number of levels. Here’s what jumps out at me. The entire discussion of the ‘internal review’ the Speaker’s office conducted seems intended to drive home the point that while pretty much the entire GOP House leadership knew about the Foley ‘matter’, no one beside backbencher Rodney Alexander (R-LA) actually saw the emails
more…
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Foley is also a strong opponent of the child pornography industry.
http://www.vote-smart.org/spee…..word=child sexual abuse&phrase=&contain=
Cozumel @ 276
They played two shows in Denver in June 1970. Mammoth Gardens (now the Fillmore) was an old roller rink, and the stage was set up on the long side — no one was more than 100 feet away, and most were within 50 feet. The first set was an expanded version of Live at Leeds; the second set was Tommy. The show was the same as Woodstock. Four hours and thirty six years later, my ears are still ringing.
If you ask Barry Fey (the promoter) or anyone else who saw it — what was the greatest rock concert ever? — the answer would be the Who at Mammoth Gardens.
Top Story on http://news.myway.com/index/id/home.html
-ck- @ 297
I was really bummed out about it. The night I graduated everyone said to each other…”Hey, see ya at the Who concert!” Never happened.
-ck- @ 297
When I saw the Who in Oklahoma City, it was before they released Tommy. They did say they were working on something called a ‘rock opera,’ whatever that was, and they played something from it. Can’t remember which song.
CNN has been repeating the story all day long….over and over and over again…..that and the shootings in the schools…..
Becky
It would have been great to see some of the great bands in their heyday; The Who, Stones, Hendrix, etc.
Alas, I wasn’t born until 69′ Real bummer.
shooogarp @ 302
In August of 1969, I was starting high school. I read about Woodstock in Life Magazine and wished I could have been there.
shooogarp @ 301
There was a constant stream of bands in Hawaii, when I was there in the army, because they all wanted to end tours there and have a vacation afterwards, so the local promoters were in seventh heaven. A typical event was one I saw in early `69–John Sebastian opened, followed by Donovan (seated cross-legged in a bed of flowers when the lights came up), who was in turn opening for Crosby, Stills, Nash (with Neil Young tagging along). I saw Jefferson Airplane there twice in one week. The show was sold out and there were more people trying to get in as SROs than were paying audience, so they had a free concert a few days later in one of the parks. Hendrix had been there about six weeks before I arrived on the island, and the Moody Blues played about two weeks after I left.
One tour I would have loved to see was the Jackson Browne Running on Empty tour. You listen to that album’s live tracks and think to yourself: Wow! those guys were outta control…lightning in a bottle out of control.
You know, the music is never the same after the VH1 “Behind the Music” burnout/redemption phase.
In June 1969, I heard Hendrix at the Denver Pop Festival. The tear gas and cool weather was more memorable than his performance.
In August 1969, I hitch-hiked to DC and then to NYC. People were coming out of bars, telling me to hold up my sign. I just waved, not understanding what they were talking about. Two weeks later, I noticed some posters with a guitar and bird graphic — it turns out that I’d arrived in NYC on the second day of Woodstock.
neurophius @ 302
I saw the Who at the New Haven Coliseum back in 1979.
One tour I would have loved to see was the Jackson Browne Running on Empty tour
I saw the first one (I think). KMET (radio) New Years Eve Party at the Forum in L.A. 12/31/1977
Jackson Brown and Bonnie Raitt. We were sitting kind of behind the stage. At one point Bonnie was smoking a joint in the pit behind it. My girlfriend yelled… “Hey Bonnie, how about up here?” And she threw the joint to her! LOL
Cozumel @ 307
Indeed.
kin says:
the pages were warned
the pages were warned!
the pages would not have to be warned if this was not an ongoing situation that was being tolerated.
the pages would not have to be warned if someone intended to make the situation right.
the pages were warned!
that tells the tale.
that says it all.
dratted blockquotes
And not to be forgot (re: Weisman) —
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot…..hoods.html
Reporters: At the torture bill, we asked about the Congressman Foley’s resignation and developing story.
Editors: We didn’t cover Foley’s story questioning in the torture signing story as it is unrelated.
Some say: Split Iraq into 3 parts across Sunni, Shities and Kurdish ethinicity.
I say: Split America along the lines of Accountability and Unaccountability.
two beers @
13
Many states have sexual predator laws that authorize civil commitments of previously convicted violent sex offenders, if they are likely to reoffend after they finish serving their prison sentence. They are committed for an indefinite period of time, subject to periodic reviews of their progress in sex offender therapy. While I don’t favor such laws, due to our inability to accurately and reliably predict the future dangerousness of a specific individual, I am more than willing to make an exception for all of the Republicans who serve in both houses of Congress and the Executive Branch. Plus, of course, Mr. Savoir Faire hisself, Mean Joe Liebermann.
Let’s git-r-done.