
To say General Motors is having a few problems is to bask in understatement. I've written about this before:
[O]f all the US manufacturers GM most slavisly reflects Bushian economic philosophy: spend your money lobbying Congress not to legislate fuel efficiency rather than voluntarily adopting it yourself, reward yourself and other top level employees lavishly, pin the blame for your poor decision making on the unions and expect the working class to pick up the tab while you wrestle Oprah for $6,000 handbags at Hermes.
The comparisons to BushCo. still seem apt:
One Wall Streeter deeply familiar with the company recently stated the challenge starkly: "I would say that turning GM around is a harder logistical and managerial task than the invasion of Iraq."
This same Wall Streeter is not kind to the GM generals charged with the rescue job. Describing the company as a "sclerotic bureaucracy," he says a good remedy might be firing the top five people and replacing them with outsiders. A less acid form of criticism has been laid on by the camp of Kirk Kerkorian, whose Tracinda Corp. owns just under 10% of GM's stock. In January, Kerkorian's advisor Jerry York, a turnaround veteran himself (at Iacocca's Chrysler and Lou Gerstner's IBM), gave a long luncheon speech at the Detroit auto show that accused GM's executives of lacking "urgency" and "sense of purpose."
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In product design, it lost the magic long ago. "They need irresistibility and head-turners," says one car buff, "and they haven't had them." The man now on that case is product-development boss Bob Lutz, 74, who, after retiring from Chrysler, was hired by Wagoner in 2001. Tall, elegantly dressed, and outspoken, he is treated like a rock star at auto shows, often attracting more attention than his cars. At the Detroit show in January, touring GM's space with reporters, he was pleased to point out classy-looking car interiors--"some of GM's used to be grotesque," he said--and a level of fit and finishes that he judged superb. A reporter needled him: "Bob, I miss those bad fits, those gaps, that you had a while back. I used to store my quarters for tolls in those."
This is the management group, after all, that brought you the Aztec:
The penny-pinchers demanded that costs be kept low by putting the concept car on an existing minivan platform. That destroyed the original proportions and produced the vehicle’s bizarre, pushed-up back end. But the designers kept telling themselves it was good enough.
“By the time it was done, it came out as this horrible, least-common-denominator vehicle where everyone said, ‘How could you put that on the road?’ ” the official said.
Sales never reached the 30,000 level needed to make money on the Aztek, so it abruptly went out of production last year. The tongue-in-cheek hosts of National Public Radio’s “Car Talk” named it the ugliest car of 2005. “It looks the way Montezuma’s revenge feels,” one listener quipped.
And now they have hired as their spokesperson: Sean Hannity.
Let the drain circle continue.
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Lutz says what GM needs is MORE HUMMER VARIANTS.
They deserve to go bankrupt.
I’d rather be tortured by “Like a Rock” for another 15 years! I wonder if that was in the bill?
Lutz needs to break his meds in half.
Is Dodge GM? We had a Neon & it sucked. Honda all the way now.
no, Dodge is Daimler Chryler. GM is the Odious Cavalier.
GM is a lumbering dinosaur, it’s dead, but it doesn’t know it yet.
It’s almost ten years ago now, but I had a consulting relationship that never took off at one of the GM brands. To say these people were mind-numbingly incompetent and bureaucratic is to give them too much credit. It was the organization I’ve sort of worked with that I most hated, back when I was with my old company, and if they called me today I’d hang up the phone. I don’t work for people I can’t help.
…a GM bankruptcy would devastate the many UAW-GM retirees pensions and health benefits. Indiana was a major auto state - we have so many GM retirees here.
Scary…
Recently, my friend was having lunch at the Beverly Hills and there was a back up at the valet so a bunch of people were waiting around for their cars. Suddenly someone pulled up driving a HUMMER and when he got out the crowd actually STARTED TO BOO him.
It was a great moment.
Remember when someone caught Hannity with an open mic during l’affaire Schiavo? He was coaching some women just before they were to go on-air and someone he was talking to (probably someone he knew kinda well because he gave a straight answer) asked him how he could do the Schiavvo schtick with a straight face and he answered he didn’t believe any of it, it was all political theater and part of his job.
Credible spokesman? Not much.
Ignoring momentarily that I’d never buy a GM vehicle of any nameplate because they are 1000% piece of sh*t in quality for design and workmanship, I’ll add this to the list of reasons to avoid them.
PeteCO, Dodge is Chrysler.
In other news: , Man writes message on plastic baggie calling the head of the TSA an idiot, TSA supervisor tells him “You can’t write things like that.”
“The supervisor told Bird he had the right to express his opinions ‘out there’ — pointing outside the screening area — but did not have the right ‘in here,’ Bird said.”
Good old fascist TSA overreaction. When was the 1st amendment repealed inside airport security zones? Perhaps TSA employees should be notified that it hasn’t.
I’ve heard it’s one of those organizations where you merely have to be competent to survive.
American cars confuse me.
American Honda. Toyota. Best cars ever made. They should of followed the innovation of those 2 companies instead of trying to shortcut there way out of their situation (via lobbyist, etc.) and this would of never happened. But, they didn’t and deserve to go the way of the Model T along with Ford. F**k em’. The free market has spoken. This latest stunt is infuriating but it show how desperate they are. They are history, a “boutique” builder at best.
As Click and Clack would put it, someone needs to give GM a “dope slap”.
Ford is not much better. They all spend time deperately clinging to and lobbying for the status quo. Chrysler is not so bad, more furriner influence.
Can the UAW-GM retirees pensions and benefits be outsourced? Perhaps it would be cheaper to just outsource the retirees.
All we need is a smallish car that does good mileage and doesn’t break. Oh look, a Honda Civic!
We have a ‘91 GMC van we bought new and now use for camping and river trips. The paint job, fer cripe’s sake, has been recalled - twice! All the interior plastic piece-of-shit door panels have cracked and come off, the electrical system has always been dotty, I hate it and won’t buy another GM car.
Ever.
Jim Webb’s puttin’ a foot in Macaca’s ass.
How’s that combat boot taste Felix?
Mommybrain @ 25
In contrast, I bought a 91′ Toyota pickup used with 34,000 miles on it. It had been in an accident of some sort. It’s still going, with minimal care on my part. Poor thing really deserves a better owner, in fact. Anyway, it’s been my everyday car ever since then (mid ’90s), and I’ve put almost 150K miles on it.
While I agree with the disdain for American cars, perhaps we should find more euphemistic ways of explaining ourselves.
‘American cars suck ass’ will only fire up the base. Yeah, all 25% of it.
O/T, but you have to ask;
What is it with these people?
http://www.coloradoconfidentia.....iaryId=749
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Many thanks!
American auto companies figured for years that they could offer customers cr*p and the public would buy and then along came Toyota. And it really is the automakers and not the workers’ fault. Toyota has American plants and they produce quality cars with American labor. It’s the executives that never, never get it right. If there is a curve, they always are behind it. If there is a new idea, they are always late to it.
Regarding American cars. A lot of other countries have this quaint little notion that it’s function before form that counts. Americans have no one to blame but themselves (we demanded suvs, Hummers and the like) for the state of the auto industry. Not to mention the high price of fuel.
I have had a couple of Fords, and have had no complaints. Minimal service issues, both are over 100K in mileage. Styling ain’t knocking anybody out though. I would definitely buy another, if the styling caught my eye.
I can see I’m going to have a problem here. First, a disclosure: my spouse is an executive in a business whose largest customers are the Big Three. Second, I’ve worked for GM early in my career. Neither my spouse nor I own any automotive stock, though. /disclosure
The problems facing American automakers are numerous, but the two biggest are these:
1) idiot buyers who continue to buy their products; why do you folks think Waggoner says what he does? He can’t sell Hummers fast enough, and they don’t have to spend a bunch of capital setting up new capacity to make more.
2) stockholders who continue to let idiots like Waggoner run the company. Yes, American stockholders. They are the bosses of this thing.
But that’s just for starters. The unions also have a large role to play in this; they do not understand business fundamentals and refuse to grasp that a business like GM cannot compete with companies overseas if their workforce cannot and will not become more productive in response to the threat. The workforce has had 2-plus decades to respond to this threat and they haven’t.
There’s more. Much more. It’s going to take a 3-parter to get this out.
Is it perhaps the case the GM wants flounder around until it can break the unions and move to Mexico? I have friends in Flint, MI where Michael Moore did “Roger and Me”. One fellow I knew would punch-in in the morning, go out and ride his dirtbike all day, and return to punch out - there just wasn’t any work for him to do, but they wanted to keep him on the payroll anyway. Another friend got an early retirement at 55 and a reduced pension. Those guys were a lot luckier than the people in Moore’s film
We have a GMC Safari which works for us - except for the $1229 fuel pump replacement.
Twisted Martini @ 4:09 pm (#26)
From that article:
Questions should have arisen about his intellectual prowess at the same time, but we’ll take what we can get in the way of journalistic curiosity these days.
Wow! Someone finally noticed the connection. At least, someone who wasn’t commenting or writing in a blog.
I drive a ‘97 F-150. A few problems over the years, nothing major. I have 345,000 miles on it and it still get the same mileage as when I bought it new. I wish that it got better mileage but I use it for both work and personal travel.
Sean Hannity — I guess GM doen’t want to sell cars to the majority of Americans.
NED fans know Sean: http://thumbsnap.com/vf/8tOHxFP6.jpg
In this household, we and our Japanese-owned-company’s hybrid (which we LOVE so much) laugh in GM’s face!
Too bad so many American workers get screwed sideways by their pathetic “managment” as they sink like Chevy’s slogan, “like a rock.”
This is going to be a bit long–my apologies for that. But, I spent over a decade working with spun-off GM design, and have some perspective on the way the system there worked.
One of the really salient points here that is often lost is that GM has a system that invites intellectual corruption, and that was, and is, the “not invented here” syndrome. That encouraged GM leadership to think that everything GM does is unique–and therefore, worthwhile. It goes beyond simple pride in product to infect the thinking of just about everyone in the process.
And yet, GM knew that its design methods weren’t working–fifteen years ago. One Saturday morning in early 1992, there was spot on NPR about a study from the Transportation Center at the Univ. of Michigan, commissioned by the UAW. Then, as now, GM was blaming its lack of competitiveness on the unions (now, they’ve sort done that by stealth in claiming that their health care costs were too high).
The Transportation Center looked at two Japanese manufacturers, GM and Ford, and came to some conclusions of which GM would have been greatly advised to pay some attention. The first was that the labor force employed by GM was essentially the same as that employed by Ford. There was a constant shuttle of workers between manufacturers as plants closed and reopened. And yet, at the time, productivity was much higher at Ford, and at the Japanese plants. As a raw baseline for productivity, they looked at one major measure–how many worker hours, by manufacturer, were required to assemble the same equivalent model, similarly equipped.
One of the Japanese manufacturers was Toyota, the other requested to remain anonymous, but from the description, it certainly sounded like Mazda.
The unnamed manufacturer had an assembly time of 16 hours per unit. Toyota’s time was a little over 18 hours. Ford’s, using essentially the same work force pool as GM’s, was 16.5 hours.
GM’s assembly time? 44 hours. The Transportation Center determined from the available data that it wasn’t the workers at GM, or the assembly lines, that were the problem. It was, rather, a matter of how GM designed its product–the car took longer to produce because it simply took longer to put it together because of the way it had to be put together.
Of course, that complexity ripples down through the whole production, sales and service system. The more complex the assembly, the more chances of new vehicle problems and higher warranty costs–which has an impact on the bottom line. If one has to remove more stuff to get at what needs to be repaired, after-warranty repair costs go up, the likelihood of errors increases and long-term customer satisfaction goes down, which then has an impact on future sales.
The problems GM has are, indeed, ingrained and structural. If a similar study were done today, it would probably uncover problems that look remarkably like those found nearly a generation ago.
Cheers.
PeteCO @ 29
I noticed he was a 1996 graduate of the Republican Leadership Program, KKKarl Rove’s alma mater. Like the Hitler Youth, it spawns sadistic, perverted, twisted people.
By the way - can you imagine what those kids going to Camp Jesus are going to be like when they grow up?
I once was a ‘Buy American’ consumer. Then I bought my first brand new car, a Ford Pinto. . .
I have never owned any other Detroit iron.
Honda Subaru Toyota
Hannity shilling for GM. That is bizarre. What’s next? Limbaugh as the spokesman for Vicodin? Well, now that I think about it, Rush does have some expertise in this particular area. But Hannity and cars?
I’m not so sure American consumers demanded SUV’s, they were pushed as the “thing to have”, and the auto-buying public ran with it.It seems like they were just taking off when I moved here in 95. Cheap gas, big, wide-open roads, your own personal tank to drive from your exurban house to your exurban job. SUV’s are the automotive embodiment of the late 90’s boom years.
Where GM & Ford are failing is continuing to push that trend in a “post 9/11, oh crap we’re dependent on foreign oil and yes global warming is real” world.
As stupid as it sounds, it sort of makes sense from a marketing perspective IF, and you have to include the IF cause it’s the important part, you’ve given up trying to market your products to the majority of the country.
The only people who you could attempt to sway with a Buy American themed campaign would be those allegedly true blue Americans who listen or watch Hannity - and in addition to hiring Hannity GM is getting rid of “Like a Rock,” replacing it with something like “America’s Truck,” which means GM is now scared of losing its truck franchise to the Japanese - and it, and Ford and Chrysler lost out on cars a long time ago.
Of course, on the flip side, there is the vast majority of the country who don’t abide by Hannity’s views and who the campaign will piss off (those would be among the people GM has presumed they’ve already lost). The thing is, and I don’t have research handy to prove it but I believe it, I, and a lot more people, are less likely to buy a GM product b/c they’ve hired Hannity than I believe a Hannity fan is likely to buy a GM product b/c he endorses.
Which points out a basic rule of marketing - don’t hire a divisive figure as a spokesman (there are exceptions, but not for basic cars), so unless my first paragraph is true, they’re morons in all respects. They may be morons anyway, but this is especially moronic.
It is incredibly short sighted and means they’ve given up.
Impeachment Happens - For the past year or so me and my biz partner have been looking at buying auto dealerships in So Cal. Basically, you can have an American franchise for “free,” or pay a big premium for a foriegn one. It is not pretty in CA for domestic brands, whether they guzzle gas or not, and Ford, which recently anounced it wants to close 600 dealers, most likely isn’t the only American franchise that will be trying to close a lot of outlets, and most of those will be on the coasts, but particularly CA.
OT, Josh Marshal at TPM says ” Foley (R-FL) may be prosecuted under child sex predator laws he helped pass.”
Now if only Bushie could be interrogated under rules he set for interrogation.
Cujo359 @
27
My dad had a red ‘68 Chevy pickup that held up for almost 20 years and well over 100,000 miles until it overheated on the way back from a visit to Cornell. It was clunky and got like 12 mpg and smelled like gasoline, but we loved the damn thing.
So I guess they weren’t *always* completely godawful…
Evil Parallel Universe @ 45
Clinton’s fault.
Alternatively, it could all be part of some big conspiracy to destroy one of the last bastions of unionism in the United States - but I’m not a conspiracy theorist and only offer this theory for the amusement of conspiracy theorists.
Part 2 — but a question for hpschd upthread: the friend that went dirtbiking on the clock - was he employed because of his union, or was he kept on because of GM? And then why? This information is critical to understanding the automotive industry mess.
The other bits going on that most of you who are not familiar with the industry don’t understand is that there have been attempts to restructure the business model, costly ones. As I’ve said elsewhere:
In other words, it didn’t have to be this way. But the Big Three have gotten some horribly mixed messages from their customers and from the government.
Gas prices have plummeted this month; want to bet that Hummer sales actually went up? Or that test groups have actually said they’d love to buy SMALL Hummers, no matter the price of oil? Are these test groups also showing that the Republican base is their most regular buyer?
Hence the moron Hannity as spokesperson.
Take note, too, that Martha Stewart, a consistent Democratic donor, is also a spokesperson. Is this because marketing surveys have found the mommy group that watches Martha Stewart is responsible for more than half of all automotive purchasing decisions?
And the Bush administration keeps chipping away at unions — has this sent a signal to the automakers, too?
I think I can see where Jane is going with this one. So lets see if I’ve got this right.
GM = The Democratic Party
Steny Hoyer
Rahm Emmanuel
Chuck Shumer
etc.
= The Executives
Bill Clinton = Bob Lutz
Democratic Congressmen/women
= The Barely Completent Management
GM cars = Democratic Policies
Pontiac Aztek = Recent Democratic Policies
GM employees = Democratic Voters
Pach = ?
Balrog - Isn’t that inherent in what I wrote ;-)
People will buy whatever is being jazzed by their blitz marketing campaigns.
Don’t tell me the Big 3 couldn’t figure out a clever, sensible, hip way to market environmentally friendly vehicle. I don’t believe it for a second.
The mark-up on the SUV was just amazing. They love their IMMEDIATE bottom line. Short-term thinking gets you long-term idiocy.
If they’d gotten a head start on all kinds of hybrid technology and other similar bright ideas, I can’t help but think they would already have good plans for *larger-sized* energy-efficient vehicles in place.
MSNBC poll:George Allen loses lead in VA Senate race
http://tinyurl.com/hlxsd
Why is FDL the only thing I can get now on my computer?
John Forde @ 46
Good thing I wasn’t drinking hot liquids when I read that.
GM Products - Not for Panty-Waisted Liberal Pinko Commy Islamofacists! Hannity endorses Gas Guzzling Keep-Us-Dependent-On-Middle East-Oil Warwagons!
Yup! That will be some campaign!
Twisted Martini @
26
YaY and speaking of Macaca and Hannity:
Hannity is fundraising for the racist and I believe it is tonite.
I worked for Ford for 10 years. I watched them roll out crap year after year.I finally had it when they brought out the redesigned Cougar. P.O.S. Re skinned Contour/Mystique.That was the year that FOMOCO decided they needed to save one billion dollars in one year.No good mOtherf*ckers took it right out of the mechanics back pockets. They slashed their warranty op codes so you couldn’t claim a lot of the work you did.
I filed for a warranty op revue on a fuel tank recall they had on the Contour. You had to take the filler pipe out to replace these chicken sh*t hose clamps. Major pain in the *ss and took a lot of time they wouldn’t pay for.
Their reply,” we have reviewed this procedure and will not be ammending it , as removal of the filler pipe is unnecessary”. B.S., you couldnt drop the tank without doing that. This just one example of many./rant (for now)
Sorry folks we were down for a bit, we’re back up now.
whew
angie @
58
I thought maybe I did it…
angie @ 62
You may have.
Gore did a great job in An Inconvenient Truth of connecting the US automotive industry’s refusal to use higher fuel efficiency standards, with global low sales. It was a stunning correlation and put the lie to the industry’s constant whining that higher environmental standards would make its cars more expensive and the US less competitive.
The US auto industry has dug its own grave.
and… it’s back. Whew, was worried there for a bit.
PeteCO @ 18
I’ve heard that you have to be incompetent to get promoted.
John Forde @
46
I’m expecting a mass Republican exodus if a Democrat somehow gets elected president in ‘08.
I once bought an American automobile.
A Ford Pinto, back in the 1970’s.
Never bought another domestic auto.
welcome back!
glad the tubes let y’all loose…
Average price for regular gasoline 9/29/06 in 50 states and DC
$3.00 plus 1 state
$2.90 plus 1 state
$2.80 plus 0 states
$2.70 plus 6 states
$2.60 plus 2 states
$2.50 plus 5 states
$2.40 plus 2 states
$2.30 plus 10 states
$2.20 plus 11 states
$2.10 plus 11 states
$2.00 plus 2 states
Average national price: $2.332, down $.010 from yesterday
Down 48.3 cents from same time last year.
Highest recorded national average price: $3.057 9/5/2005
Highest average price: Hawaii $3.113
Lowest average price: Missouri $2.037
http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp
Nymex Crude Future $62.91, down $.01
Dated Brent Spot $61.35, up $.35
WTI Cushing Spot $62.91, up $.15
Gas prices decline but the rate of decline may be slowing. Oil has nowhere to go until something happens.
Who Killed the Electric Car?
GM, among others.
dipper @ 55
Odd that. I had just the opposite for abt 25 min.
Boy, one of the few times that gas prices are sort of on topic and WordPress crashes. Bad karma somewhere, or is that bad carma?
And who can forget the great Jose Lopez, who single-handedly destroyed any thought of partnership between GM and its suppliers. He pioneered the Gambino/Republican purchasing strategy of “Fuck you pay me.”
I think Joe Lieberman tried to hack this site.
bdu @ 11
Following Jane’s analogy, I hope we’ll soon get our chance to say the same for Bushco.
Ack…spth…aieee…thanks Jane for the visual!
My name for these things is “Clown Cars” . *G*
I always expect bizarre-looking folks with bright fuzzy red hair, size 56 shoes and polka-dotted pajamas to leap out of the critters.
The Great American Motto: GM Cars - Designed by Clowns for Clowns.
Dover Bitch @
75
Or maybe KKKarl
Hugh @
73
Argh!!
Evil Parallel Universe @
49
Don’t be so sure! US Airways basically played a pat hand into bankruptcy, and the biggest thing accomplished in Bk was shredding union contracts.
FWIW, I’ve owned only American metal, and gotten good service out of them all. I keep an 89 Grand Wagoneer (200,000 miles) for off-road, and it’ll outperform modern domestic and foreign SUV’s.
John Forde @ 46
I wouldn’t wish that on anybody.
American automakers loved SUVs and large pickups because they made per unit sold. It was like the good old days for them and, par for the course, when gas prices rose and the market fell out on them they had no plan B.
If we had been serious about having a real energy policy we would have forced automakers to include these vehicles in their CAFE standards. As it is, SUVs will not be included until 2011 and large vans and pickups probably never.
EvilDrPuma @ 81
John Forde @ 46
I wouldn’t wish that on anybody.
See? Soft on terror.
Part 3 - with a reply to Mrs.K8 first –
Sure, GM could have produced a hybrid, but by the time the market was turning around and getting interested in them, the sunk costs into R&D for a fuel cell auto were ENORMOUS and they were desperate for profits. Remember how very quickly the entire economy and market tanked between 1999 (when GM had already blown 2B on fuel cell cars) and 2001? Two years — and people all of a sudden decided they wanted small, fuel efficient vehicles.
GM can’t turn around that fast. Neither can Ford or Daimler-Chrysler (article on NPR this morning about D-C specifically on this very issue). They need more than 2 years to respond to consumer sentiment, from beginning of design to final commercialized production.
And then the American market place was wishy-washy, buyers’s sentiment highly dependent on gas prices and on tax credits. Yes, tax credits; the biggest single reason why Hummers were initially so damned popular even through the 2001 slump was an ENORMOUS tax credit for them if you bought one and used it for business purposes (buyers claimed it under a Farm business credit). Hummers kept GM afloat. And then the tax credit was yanked…
And GM couldn’t respond fast enough again.
But neither can the unions. As montag mentioned above, automakers pointed to union workers’ healthcare as a reason why they can’t compete; it’s absolutely true this is an issue. U.S. automakers are expected to compete with foreign companies whose workers’ healthcare is subsidized by the government. GM paid out more than $5000 per vehicle in healthcare costs in 2002; at the time that was more than the cost of the steel content in the same vehicle. How does an American automaker find 5K in costs to cut per car? Unions knew this was an issue; any of the union employees and their reps that I spoke with knew this figure cold. But the unions did nothing to encourage proactive, preventative healthcare among their rank-and-file; their leadership didn’t give a rat’s butt.
And at the same time, other expenses for the auto industry began to skyrocket. The cost of steel rose at double-digit rates month-over-month during 2004, primarily because of Chinese demand for steel. How does a behemoth like the Big Three respond to this and quickly?
I despise Sean Hannity. I am going to be annoyed every time I have to see his mug on my television plugging cars. But just like the DNC’s 50-State Strategy, the Big Three can no longer afford to leave any buyer unapproached.
That means Democratic Martha plugging GM on her program and elsewhere, to the chagrin of people who hate her, as much as I hate Hannity.
And lastly, GM is currently in discussions with Nissan-Renault; a tie-up with GM would help get GM a different management (not unlike Daimler-Chrysler’s deal in 1999), while getting Nissan-Renault more marketshare — via goopers like Hannity and Democratic mommy-types like Martha. What we’re seeing could be ground work for this next step; if it ultimately saves the retirement and jobs of many of my Michigan neighbors while preserving much-needed American manufacturing capacity, so be it.
I’ll just have to keep the remote handy when Hannity’s f*cking ugly mug appears on my TV.
EvilDrPuma @ 76
Well, here’s a nice big toast to that! I hope one follows the other.
Just able to see this. Were the servers down? I got all sorts of WordPress error messages…
But back to the topic at hand. I’ve driven a Civic Hybrid for 3 years (on a lease, I don’t trust new technology all that much) and have loved it, enough that when the lease runs out in March I’m gonna run back to the dealer and buy me a new one. I laugh my ass off at the SUV morons, and the guys in the HUGE, big-ass trucks. And I can’t tell you how many people have asked about it.
OT Just got off the phone with a rep from the DNC (located in Denver) looking for more donation $.
Asked her why I should donate more money to DNC to support my NJ Senators Menendez and Lautenberg when I might as well just give to a Republican if I wanted my Senators to support Republican positions?
Clearly this was not the first she heard this as she had a very nice script directing me to the contact section of the democrats.org website.
This may be a venue for letting the Dems know that the time has come to become vertebrates.
Wow. This guy is gonna be easy to zap.
Have everyone call GM and ask them if GM approves of domestic spying on U.S. citizens.
Find out what GM’s policy is on spying.
Have fun with GM.
Rayne @ 84
So it’s the union’s fault that US healthcare costs are spiralling upward unchecked? If this is really a giant problem for GM, they’d be better served to lobby the government for universal healthcare rather than to break the backs of the unions.
Unhealthy workers can not match productivity with healthy workers. Lack of health insurance ensures an unhealthy workforce. And I highly doubt the insinuations that workers are “overusing” the system to cause the high costs of healthcare…
I’ve got some real stories about the kind of shit health insurance companies have been pulling lately, but my wrist is hurting, so I’ll have to bow out for awhile.
A long time lurker.
I worked for GM in the early 1980’s after four interviews and hired away from law school in a best and brightest move to get out of their 1950’s mindset. I told them after six months to shove their job because I thought they were too vested in corporate lobbying rather than pursuing quality products in the changing market. I have bought Toyota ever since. They suck!
off topic
raw story is telling us about some whistle blowers that say they were ordered to install unauthorised “patches” in 5000 machines in secret for the 2002
I meant GM sucks not Toyota
I have noticed in the last week or so a lot of stories in the media downplaying and pooh poohing the idea that gas price declines are politically motivated. I’ve even seen it on the local news. And tonight on Washington Week there was an economics reporter saying, “People think that George Bush can just pull a lever and gas prices will go down.” All of this strikes me as “Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.” Now in a large system that has even minimal oversight it would be next to impossible to sustain price increases in the face of declining fundamentals but in a large complex system it is dead easy (even without an overt cartel) to massage timing and rates in the direction a market is headed. I have a few ideas what that Washington Week reporter can do with his lever even if he did have a few sensible things to say about the housing market.
On thing that I have not seen mentioned yet, even in the amazingly clear and well-informed comments (Thanks, Rayne!) is that fact that shit like the Hummer was tax-subsidized. I recall getting repeated mailers offering the doctors in my practice practically free Hummers through some sort of tax write-off combined with a “business use” scam. (One of them, not in my practice but a private client of mine, actually fell for it and still drives a Hummer. But, then again, he’s referred to as The Prince Of Darkness and once closed his office for the afternoon so he could go to a Cheney fund-raiser. Trust me, I charge him BIG!)
Rayne, or anyone else out there in the know, am I remembering this correctly???
Good gravy, there’s a part 4.
Twisted Martini mentions one of the worst things that ever happened to GM and the rest of the automotive industry: Jose Ignacio Lopez.
Unethical scumbag of the first water. Before “Iggy” became the god of purchasing at GM in the late 1980’s (and thereby an enormous influence on purchasing at Ford and Chrysler), GM had implemented a strategy tied to continuous improvement; I was working for a vendor at the time that was required to develop a quality management plan in order to remain a supplier. The continuous improvement plan also encouraged preferred partnerships, wherein vendors that provided high quality products consistently would be offered regular contracts.
That all went out the door with Iggy at the helm of purchasing. Iggy’s policy was to put it all out for bids, award the bid, then demand a discount after the vendor had already sunk itself into the contract. If the vendor didn’t cooperate, they would never, ever do business with GM again.
And the other two of the Big Three caught on and adopted the same.
This strategy made shareholders very happy; it required no additional expenditures, compared to the quality management systems. Easy profits. It also didn’t demand anything further of union workers, unlike an end-to-end quality system. A win-win for everybody, all of it based on shoddy ethics.
And the other component of this mess that I’ve forgotten is the prime rate. Yeah. Interest rates directly impact auto consumption. More people bought those f*cking nasty Hummers when gas was cheap AND financing was cheaper.
Was that GM’s fault? Ford’s or Daimler-Chrysler’s?
Or is this entire mess we call the American autmotive industry a perfect example of a system that’s gone awry — just like our political system?
It ain’t just GM. It ain’t just Rick Waggoner and the rest of management. It ain’t just Hannity and his RNC mothership. It ain’t just the guy buying a Hummer. It ain’t just the shareholder or the union shop rat on the line.
It’s all of them.
By the way, bdu, on the matter of lobbying — have you seen anything recently that indicates the Big Three have been successful with any of their lobbying efforts?
The Repugs have written them off for dead, along with their union workers. Repugs don’t make money on the industry; they make money on military and petroleum. Take a good hard look at where the action has been for the profiteers.
EvilDrPuma @
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John Forde @ 46
I wouldn’t wish that on anybody.
I sure as hell would… He wants to use “special methods?” Let him try them out first-hand.
Marion in Savannah @ 96
After all, if it’s not really torture, it shouldn’t be all that bad. I’m sure he went through fraternity hazing at Yale.
Rayne @
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Wal Mart is no different. When you are the 800 pound gorilla customer, you own the suppli