Comments on: Truth And Patriots http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:41:31 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Political Waves » Have you ever had a day… http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-315887 Political Waves » Have you ever had a day… Fri, 29 Sep 2006 19:40:09 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-315887 <p>[…] [UPDATE 2: John Kerry and other Democrats speak out today against USA Mengele Act: <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comments">http://www.firedoglake.com/200...../#comments</a> […]</p> […] [UPDATE 2: John Kerry and other Democrats speak out today against USA Mengele Act: http://www.firedoglake.com/200...../#comments […]

]]> By: Green http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-314138 Green Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:49:42 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-314138 <p>I just got off the phone arguing with one of my Senators (Gordon Smith R-OR) aides.</p> <p>He’s telling me that</p> <p>a. the senator supports it (no surprise)</p> <p>b. that section 3 of the bill prohibits torture. (i told him that having a few narrow prohibited acts and letting the executive decide what is and is not legal is a direct breakage of the constitution)</p> <p>What are some good arguments re: Section 3?</p> <p>ps. the toll free # for the senate switchboard has gone away, what’s up with that.</p> I just got off the phone arguing with one of my Senators (Gordon Smith R-OR) aides.

He’s telling me that

a. the senator supports it (no surprise)

b. that section 3 of the bill prohibits torture. (i told him that having a few narrow prohibited acts and letting the executive decide what is and is not legal is a direct breakage of the constitution)

What are some good arguments re: Section 3?

ps. the toll free # for the senate switchboard has gone away, what’s up with that.

]]> By: Publicus http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-313862 Publicus Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:52:18 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-313862 <p>If you can stand the stench of INCREDIBLE HYPOCROSY, here’s part of a speech Bush the Torturer gave at the UN in June 2003:</p> <p>“Freedom from torture is an inalienable human right. The Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment, ratified by the United States and more than 130 other countries since 1984, forbids governments from deliberately inflicting severe physical or mental pain or suffering on those within their custody or control.”</p> If you can stand the stench of INCREDIBLE HYPOCROSY, here’s part of a speech Bush the Torturer gave at the UN in June 2003:

“Freedom from torture is an inalienable human right. The Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment, ratified by the United States and more than 130 other countries since 1984, forbids governments from deliberately inflicting severe physical or mental pain or suffering on those within their custody or control.”

]]> By: NeoJoe http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-313741 NeoJoe Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:46:40 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-313741 <p>Clinton Up</p> Clinton Up

]]> By: sporkovat http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-313735 sporkovat Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:43:10 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-313735 <p>What is needed is at least one Senator of courage to stand up and try to initiate a filibuster - run out the clock, give the country more time for debate- I don’t know the procedural issues and I don’t care if they don’t think they have the numbers ….</p> <p>IF NO ONE TRIES WE WILL NEVER KNOW…</p> <p>and as has been pointed out a vote on cloture would be a meaningful way to judge their real position… a NAY vote when they know they don’t have the majority still smells of political calculation…</p> <p>are they “keeping their powder dry” for something more important?</p> <p>what if this was about death squads rounding up “5th columnists” in broad daylight?</p> <blockquote><p>As Graham told the Senate Judiciary Committee in February, “the administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue fifth column movements…”</p></blockquote> <p>then quisling dems like Obama might timidly vote for a comprimise measure toothlessly requiring the Leader to run his death squads only at night…</p> <p>really this is where we get with the logic of the ‘least-worst’ as opposed to requiring candidates to have some principles they won’t sell out as a condition for support…</p> What is needed is at least one Senator of courage to stand up and try to initiate a filibuster – run out the clock, give the country more time for debate- I don’t know the procedural issues and I don’t care if they don’t think they have the numbers ….

IF NO ONE TRIES WE WILL NEVER KNOW…

and as has been pointed out a vote on cloture would be a meaningful way to judge their real position… a NAY vote when they know they don’t have the majority still smells of political calculation…

are they “keeping their powder dry” for something more important?

what if this was about death squads rounding up “5th columnists” in broad daylight?

As Graham told the Senate Judiciary Committee in February, “the administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue fifth column movements…”

then quisling dems like Obama might timidly vote for a comprimise measure toothlessly requiring the Leader to run his death squads only at night…

really this is where we get with the logic of the ‘least-worst’ as opposed to requiring candidates to have some principles they won’t sell out as a condition for support…

]]> By: Christy Hardin Smith http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-313733 Christy Hardin Smith Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:42:14 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-313733 <p>Hamburger at 220 — Dodd was equally passionate in opposition earlier this morning. Leahy was also good. There have been some great speeches this morning — I hope that some of them get YouTubed or put up on C&L at some point, because they are worth seeing again.</p> Hamburger at 220 — Dodd was equally passionate in opposition earlier this morning. Leahy was also good. There have been some great speeches this morning — I hope that some of them get YouTubed or put up on C&L at some point, because they are worth seeing again.

]]> By: Evil Parallel Universe http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-313728 Evil Parallel Universe Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:40:28 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-313728 <p>Hugh - Habeus Corpus is (I won’t write was) considered the fundamental right - so fundamental that it is the only right that is in the Constitution itself.</p> Hugh – Habeus Corpus is (I won’t write was) considered the fundamental right – so fundamental that it is the only right that is in the Constitution itself.

]]> By: Sally http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-313726 Sally Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:40:12 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-313726 <p>Just suppose Bush and his thugs get what they want in the way of torture and kangaroo courts. Then when it is possible to do so, the Iraqis effectively charge Bush and his buds with war crimes and the gangsters are tried under the rules they so badly wanted for the other guys. Lovely!</p> Just suppose Bush and his thugs get what they want in the way of torture and kangaroo courts. Then when it is possible to do so, the Iraqis effectively charge Bush and his buds with war crimes and the gangsters are tried under the rules they so badly wanted for the other guys. Lovely!

]]> By: Hamburger http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-313716 Hamburger Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:31:56 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-313716 <p>Kennedy shouts “death by hanging” for those WWII convicted of war crimes, including waterboarding.</p> <p>His amendment is about PROTECTING AMERICANS - these techniques are war crimes.</p> <p>Finally some passion.</p> Kennedy shouts “death by hanging” for those WWII convicted of war crimes, including waterboarding.

His amendment is about PROTECTING AMERICANS – these techniques are war crimes.

Finally some passion.

]]> By: Diane http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-313697 Diane Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:26:49 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/28/truth-and-patriots/#comment-313697 <p>These patriotic senators recite the pledge of allegiance “…and to the constitution for which it stands” - makes me want to puke!</p> These patriotic senators recite the pledge of allegiance “…and to the constitution for which it stands” – makes me want to puke!

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