nikto at 116 — we have a number of readers here who actually know Pat Fitzgerald, have worked for or with him, or against him, in court. None of them are the sorts of people who just take things on faith with something that is this important. Just FYI.

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Thank you for taking the time to reassure me, Christy. I really appreciate that. You are a champ!

That does help somewhat. I guess I am just so darn distrustful and suspicious in these days of The Big Lie (when so much is kept secret from the public), and when so much subterfuge is obviously going on at high levels.

Thank you!

P.S. You are as beautiful as you are brilliant, sincere and classy (and that’s a lot!).

And my trust in Fitz has been revived.

Clarke says/writes of (very late) on 9/11 in ‘Against All Enemies’ at p. 26:

I realized then that until today I had not ever briefed the President on terrorism, only Cheney, Rice, and Powell. We had finally had our first Principals meeting on terrorism only a week earlier. The next step was to have been a briefing to walk the President through our proposed National Security Presidential Directive (NSPD). The Washington Post later reported (January 20, 2002) that the NSPD had as its goal to “eliminate al Qaeda.” The plan called for arming the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan to go on the offensive against the Taliban, pressing CIA to use the lethal authorities it had been given to go after bin Laden and the al Qaeda leadership. Bush had never seen the plan, the pieces of which had first been briefed to Cheney, Rice, Powell, and others on his tem in January. I had not been allowed to brief the President on terrorism in January or since, not until today, September 11. It had taken since January to get the Cabinet-level meeting that I had requested “urgently” within days of the inauguration to approve an aggressive plan to go after al Qaeda. The meeting had finally happened exactly one week earlier, on September 4. Now, as I was telling [Roger] Cressey, I thought the aggressive plan would be implemented.

“Well, that’s fuckin’ great. Sounds like they are finally going to do everything we wanted. Where the hell were they for the last eight months?” Cressey asked.

“Debating the finer points of the ABM Treaty?” I answered, looking up at the sky for the fighter cover.

[bolding mine] sounds like there was a ‘plan’ to deal with ‘al Qaeda’ there, Condi…

I’m not.

But I am open to any reasoned arguments as to why “Fitz” is NOT a “kabuki-dancer” for the right who is just putting on a show of oversight, but not REALLY DOING oversight.

Are there really ANY that are not based merely on good-hearted blind faith?

I’m all ears.

Sorry, but there will be no “Fitzmas” for me—I simply DO NOT TRUST PATRICK FITZGERALD ANYMORE–Not one bit.

I have read too many suspicious things about him that indicate he may be just another rightwing plant, or “kabuki dancer” or whatever you call someone who may be utterly phony and just playing a plotted-out role to give an amazing simulation of legal oversight in order to placate the Public.

Read THIS:

http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/CiaAsset.htm

That is not the only source I base my opinion on, but it’s a solid place to start.

IS FITZGERALD, IN ACTUALITY ONE OF “THEM”??

No one can be sure at this point.

I am sure. And I trust Pat, as I have trusted hi for almost 20 years. Adversity doesn’t build character, it reveals it. You folks are just getting to see a character formed long ago. Patrick Fitzgerald is avery good man. The very best man I know of.

Win, lose or draw on the Libby case, the current discussions on the Iraq NIE and the selected parts of the ME NIE should really highlight the victory that has already taken place. After the information, now in the public domain, about how the President personally and hands on participated in disinformation of the American public with the pre-war NIE and how he was willing to dribble out cherrypicks, covertly, through media shills like Miller, the whole situation of these NIEs has a very different aspect. Everyone already knows that the President suppressed information that was unfavorable to him and now there is nothing he can release that is unfavorable that doesn’t result in most people feeling there is a strong likelihood that what he won’t release is not so much “secret” as it is damning.

The only reason the President’s direct involvement in manipulation of the information released is in the public domain is bc of the Libby case. If tents fold today, that will stand as a huge accomplishment.

I’m not such a fan in general of Fitzgerald and I’m not even that sure that he would have problems with the current legislation in Congress, but there’s no way to spin what happened with the NIE in any way other than to recognize it was a tremenously important piece of information for the American people to have and he delivered it (with an assist in my book from Judge Walton – it was something that we might very well have never heard with different players in the game).

Mary!

You are coming around. We’ll make a Fitz hugger of you yet. *g*

I’m a lurker and I’ve been dying to post this – I’m very excited & my family & friends think I’m nuts – but I know you will understand.

It’s very likely I will be meeting Fitz at the end of October! His parents are from the same part of Ireland as my parents. An old time fraternal/benevolent organization here in NY comprised of natives from that part of Ireland are holding a dance and Fitz is the Guest of Honor.

I think this is another example of what a stand up guy he is. This is not a powerful, well connected organization. It was formed in the late 1800’s to get immigrants set up in NYC.

So he’s willing to take time away from his busy schedule, to hang out with a bunch of old (and not so old) guys and gals, listen to speeches and Irish music and eat wedding food. Wow.

I am going to be like a 13 year old meeting her favorite TV star!

Is it at the Towerview in Woodside? Or up at Gaelic Park in the Bronx? Ot in Tara Circle?

Mods – if anyone is around, please feel free to scrub my #3 (and this one, too)

:(

Dr. Bong. Take another hit and say three Hail Marys. All is forgiven. (What did you do?)

I have read too many suspicious things about him that indicate he may be just another rightwing plant, or “kabuki dancer” or whatever you call someone who may be utterly phony and just playing a plotted-out role to give an amazing simulation of legal oversight in order to placate the Public.

Read THIS:

http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/CiaAsset.htm

That is not the only source I base my opinion on, but it’s a solid place to start.

IS FITZGERALD, IN ACTUALITY ONE OF “THEM”??

No one can be sure at this point.