Karl Rove is not a genius. He’s an asshole.
Look at all this shit we’ve been through these last five and a half years. The NIE tells us what we already knew. Not only has every rationale for the invasion and occupation of Iraq been discredited (I’m with Atrios: I still want to know why we really went), but it’s now official that we’ve made our security situation worse by going. You know the litany: more terrorists that we train for the bad guys with our guys and gals as live targets, more ill will and terrorist recruiting based on our imperialistic occupation, an overstretched and crumbling military insufficiently supported by our government, a resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan. . . should I stop there?
Bill Clinton is a flawed man and too clever a habitual triangulator by half, but he did pull back the curtain last weekend on the cowardice and mendacity of Republicans and their claims to being the party of the big, swinging national security phallus. Equally as important, he attacked the cowardice and dishonesty of the our media establishment. Good for him, but that does not give him a pass for when he thinks he can provide cover to bad people and their agendas.
Let’s hope other Democrats continue to figure out that picking a real fight with the media and with these loser Republicans is not only good on the substance, it’s damned good politics. When you attack the media and make those self-absorbed guardians of the national discourse part of the story, you break through their habitually snickering, narcissistic filter. They can’t help but go with the story, if only to clutch the pearls and tut tut about your passion. Just ask Sid Blumenthal.
Fuck ‘em.
Republicans are losers, so let’s make sure they lose. Though I live in Virginia and write for this blog, I stayed out of the VA Senate primary because the campaigns of both Dems were a muddle to me. I always hated the functionally, mentally disabled bigot George Allen, but I had not seen enough of Webb to feel that I could really get behind him, or explain to readers here why he was worth fighting for in the trenches. That’s over now. As I did for Tim Kaine, I’ll put some time in phone banking for Webb. He’s not one of our Blue America candidates, but I’m getting behind him, with my time and here in public: not just against Allen, but for Webb. Why? One word: accountability.
I’m with Christy: I’m asking everyone reading this to grab a pitchfork, pick a candidate and phone bank, volunteer, walk precincts, become a poll watcher, register voters, whatever you can do, but do something. It’s not enough to read anymore: we must continue to do, as thousands of you reading this already are. Time magazine thinks we’re just figuring this out, though we’ve been doing it all along. The only difference now is we’re significantly multiplying our numbers, adding energized participants to the political process, and training little guerrilla forces of progressives to get active and connected all across the country. Be afraid, David Broder, be very fucking afraid, or just retire your saggy ass.
None of this means we’re compromising on torture. Here’s a public service announcement to any Dem presidential hopeful for ‘08: if you get wrong on this torture vote, don’t come knocking on my door for support next year. You think I’m kidding? Try me.
Until November, we need to beat the snot out of loser Republicans, making sure they lose. After that, we’ll hold hearings and simultaneously deal with some of our own (ahem) family business. Republicans are losers, baby, and the way to kill a political movement starts at the ballot box, and especially before, as we organize to get others to the ballot box.
Who’s with me?
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Webb!
1?
Ah, the coveted 0.
Fitz!
And yes, I’m with ya.
mc..brain rot.. I never noticed 0 is 1
Thank-you. Great post! I think the rethugs are expert in marketing the image of “invincibility” – but it’s kinda like the set-up in the Wizard of Oz. Sometimes it takes a dog, in this case, a Big Dog, to pull back the curtain to see the wheezing, lurching machinery behind the stage set and white lettered-platitudes on blue backdrop curtains.
Pachacutec Roots! Where is everyone?
EPU’ed
Al Franken (on Hardball) was on fire today! He slapped Tony Blankley down on air over lying about pre war intel and proceeded to read from Blankleys own editorial exposing blantent omissions of fact to his readers. Al was red faced and Tony turned into trembling blow fish! I think it would have come to blows with another fifteen seconds uninterrupted by commercials. What a sight. Sending Al a thank you for this. If this keeps up the truth might win some attention and a few extra seats in the elections.
Hope C&L will have it later. zing!
We need to keep score on the Dem enablers..after Lieberman, Pryor is probably the worst.
“Karl Rove is not a genius. He’s an asshole.”
Truer words have never been typed, Pach. And yes, I’m with you.
Steve @ 8
Amen to that. Larry the cable guy would be an improvement over Pryor. I can barely make myself call or write him.
Where are you from Steve?
Hey gang. Do you think Broder wants me to be more polite?
ES@8 I gave up contact after the lying,patronizing piece of crap letter I got about the Alito vote. Blanche’s voting record isn’t much better but I cut her some slack because she isn’t in the gang of 15. Sexism is the Senate?
By the way, notice the audio appearance of 41 in the song? I had forgotten about that until I checked out the song again today.
Fuck ‘em :~} Broder reads like pre Alzheimers on a good day.
Does anyone know if there’s an LGBT drinking liberally in NYC?
ES@11 originally for Bethesda Maryland and in LR for past 25 years.
Pach, let me quote you,twice.you answered your own question.
Pachacutec @ 12
Well, if Broder does, he is not aware that there is a ground swell of pissed off voters who happen to spend time on the blogosphere, and he will be very surprised in Nov.
Steve, I wouldn’t be surprised if we have met. Little Rock has been my home on and off all of my forty one years. Get out of there. *g*
Karl Rove is not a genius. He’s an asshole.
Just like Ken Lay, Newt Gingrich, and a whole lot of people. Being successful takes genius only if you’re constrained by ethics. Rove clearly isn’t.
At this very moment, CNN has a guy on talking about kids buying Grand Theft Auto at Best Buy.
Fucking dung sucking morons.
I have a dream — that our FDL Jane be invited to a Sunday talk show to ‘meet’ David Broder. And respond to his blather — as only Jane can.
The 13 page memo turned over to BushCo from the Clinton administration about how to take down al Qaeda was just mentioned on NBC Nightly News.
Thankyouverymuch ; )
I quit watching Washington Week on PBS primarily due to Broder. Gwen won’t ask a hard hitting question to save her soul. She is so obviously happy to be in the cocktail weenie world I don’t really fault her for it.
Pachacutec @ 3:43 pm (#22)
At this very moment, CNN has a guy on talking about kids buying Grand Theft Auto at Best Buy.
Does CNN think this is a good thing or a bad thing?
Cozumel, Did you see Franken and Blankley on Hardball? I wonder if the NIE release is all or partial?
CNN doesn’t think. That’s why they now have Glen Beck on. He’s talking about the apocalypse.
This is a propaganda misinformation network.
How about developing a yard sign that says “Vote for TORTURE”, “Vote for (Repubscum Name” , “Republican”?
That might get some attention.
If Clinton waged the dog, Bush screwed the pooch and left it for dead.
Rove and his Republican thugs know it and are trying to bluff their way out of the mess with tough talk and spin. It won’t work this time unless the Democrats allow it to work.
And, Pachacutec, I with you on this. I’ve volunteered and will also be working a poll in November. I’ve also recruited my high school senior daughter to work on election day, too. We’re working together to get more students to sign up. After all, they will be voting in 2008!
______
In 2006, vote the Republican out of office and tell the Democrats what you want. If they don’t listen, throw them out in 2008.
Bush has been trying to inextricably connect the war on terror with the war in Iraq. The Dems have been trying to disconnect the two. With the release of this NIE, it is time to reverse these roles… with a twist.
Henceforth, it should be impossible for Bush to poll well on terror and badly on Iraq at the same time.
And while we’re at it, by being explicitly and openly pro-torture, he should not be able to poll well on anything!
How hard can it be to get those messages across?
Watching Al Franken follow Clinton’s lead was amazing. That is the first time I have ever seen the usually calm Tony Big Blankley be tongue tied. He didn’t look smooth, he looked pissed and bothered. Franken looked like franken..freakin’ STEIN!! I think it worked. The authoritarian personalities that we need to win the elections will love this black and white slap em silly stuff!! Refreshing!! Validating. Fire up the base!!
Outstanding! You live up to your nickname.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 27
I did! He cranked up the volume Big Dog style!
I am with you. Great post.
BREAKING NEWS…
BOLTON CONFIRMATION DEAD!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..30267.html
Koo-koo-koo-fucking-choo, Mr. Walrus!
katie Jensen @ 32
Authoritarian bullies respond to a punch in the kisser or jail time, not much else imo. Nice left hook by Al indeed.
When bullies hit you…. keep knocking ya around… ya don’t just take it….. they hit ya… the only thing left is to give them two back. Knock them on their ass and tell them to stay down unless they want more of the same.
The problem with a lot of the DC beltway crowd is that they still DO NOT get it…. the ReThugs play for keeps, the moto is win at all costs and there are NO rules. This is not some gentlemens disagreement…. this is the core and lifeblood of what America is ALL about.
I’m with you on this – but we need to grab our pitchforks and march on the Capitol to make sure that One Note George is not granted the ability to detain and torture people he decides are terrorists anywhere on the planet. Torture is NOT AN AMERICAN VALUE and I am tired of hearing any argument advanced to try to justify it from the criminals who are currently running our country into the ground.
Watching the rerun of Hardball now. All Macaca.
ES@20;;Get out of there..I have been..I have been doing a lot of road trips over the past year or so..Was at the Crescent 10 days ago for a car thingy. Traveling around the country and going off the beaten path: I just get sick of what these psychopathic assholes have done. The really sad thing, but it really pisses me off, is to see financially hurting whites in a Wal-Mart, any place in the country,and know they voted for Bush. Bigotry, hate or what ever is more important than self-interest or the welfare of their families. This is Bushe’s base.
Getting to love David Schuster more and more every day.
So great to hear that- it’s so important that this newly energized political force not be taken for granted as an automatic Dem support group.
See for example Obama, solid blue state, Repubs here collapsed and imploded under a cloud of corruption and scandal, he’s not even up for election this cycle, and still not enough guts to stand up for Habeas Corpus, the Geneva Conventions, or the Constitution.
Therefore, disqualified as the great prog hope for 08.
It’s common knowledge and often said that the Republicans do know how to win, but do not know how to govern.
They win not only by fighting in a dirty, sleazy way. They win by silencing the opposition. That is why control of the media was a priority for these crooks. And they control the media while screaming how “liberal” it is. It is insanity – how the hell did these lying, weasels ever get so powerful? Because the dumbed down American public let them. No information = no knowledge.
So now what? We’re fighting to break even, to get control of a least one branch of the government. And after all that’s happened, the war, torture, death of Americans at home and abroad, erosion of our constitution, after this and more, the Democrats are fighting to gain a few seats in Congress – what the hell? A few seats? It should be a landslide – clearing the path for new ideas and the restoration of our government.
But no. We’re struggling because Republicans know how to get elected. They know how to market their candidates; even if there’s false advertising involved, they don’t care.
The solution? A louder noise machine. After the election, and before the investigations start, congress needs to take a serious look at the media. Without some reforms in that arena, they may as well go home.
Tomorrow quite possibly be the day torture hits the senate floor. I will call Pryor and Lincoln again. I really wish i could march in DC over this.
RevDeb with dvd/tivo- The Blankley Franken-fest is in the last fifteen minutes of the show.
OT: I guess …
According to Larry Johnson, this is the declassified version of the NIE:
http://www.dni.gov/press_relea…..gments.pdf
It’s mostly generalized nonsense with a few candid observations sneaked in here and there. It almost looks like one of those articles you read where the author tries to find a balance of opinion where none really exists. Here, though, are some of the observations they sneaked in:
• If this trend continues, threats to US interests at home and abroad will become more diverse, leading to increasing attacks worldwide.
• Greater pluralism and more responsive political systems in Muslim majority nations would alleviate some of the grievances jihadists exploit. Over time, such progress, together with sustained, multifaceted programs targeting the vulnerabilities of the jihadist movement and continued pressure on al-Qa’ida, could erode support for the jihadists.
A little later:
• The Iraq conflict has become the “cause celebre” for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement. Should jihadists leaving Iraq perceive themselves, and be perceived, to have failed, we judge fewer fighters will be inspired to carry on the fight.
Unfortunately, thanks to the rest of the report being still classified, there’s nothing that one can really argue with here. Both these observations, plus the more hopeful ones, are just judgements based on data that are hidden.
What Clinton did so well in the Chris Wallace interview was to question the premise of the sandbagging question. Most Democrats get suckered by this every time. When someone asks, “Do you enjoy beating your wife?” or “Why didn’t you do more to kill Osama bin Laden?” the normal reflex is an instinctive denial but because of the trick nature of the question any response is going to come out awkward. Clinton was smart enough to see this. Rather than denying he seemed to accept the premise, sucking the smarmy Wallace in, and then laid him out.
Democrats need to do more of this. In fact, the first thing they should do is ask themselves if they accept the premises. And if they don’t they should begin not with the false premise but the underlying agenda it represents. Only after this, should they return to the original question and, having blown the premise out of the water, call the interviewer on his or her bias.
Pachacutec @
12
To Broder: What’s it like to want?
In your own untopable phraseology, Pach: Fuck ‘em.
sporkovat @ 44
Don’t get me started on Obama. I’ve written about him before. I’m not a fan.
This post rocks (and I’m Canadian)!!!
Eureka Springs, AR @ 46
Too late. I’m not at home so I can’t TIVO it on such short notice. But I’ll bet that Amato puts it up on C&L.
I work 1/2 the week away from home. At this point at least I now have TV and high speed at the home away from home, but not the rest of my toys. Given enough notice, I can program it online. Love that TIVO, but it ain’t perfect.
I think everytime we mention the WaPo, or Fox News or ABC, we need to do this:
The Wapo, the Republican campaign staff,etc
Fox News, the Republican campaign staff,etc
ABC, the Republican campaign staff,etc
RagingGurrl @ 45
I consider electing Bill Clinton as a break even vote. Obama or Hillary would be the same in ‘08. I want to break free this time.
I’m going to volunteer for Menendez tomorrow. I meant to do it right after Labor Day as things started to pick up, however some serious life issues came up this month.
Thanks for the reminder.
Millineryman @ 55
Hope the family life stuff is better. Good for you: go get ‘em!
Don’t know what got into Tweety’s water, but he’s going after Ed Gillespie who is trying mightily to stand up for Allen’s racism.
Eddie boy ain’t doing too well.
The War in Iraq was initiated to increase the price of oil futures and to enrich corporate interest. Before the invasion a barrel of oil was $20 and Haliburtion stock was $20. Oil peaked at over $70/bbl, and last month Haliburton split around $68 two for one. War is good for some businesses, and it certainly hasn’t hurt the Bush recession.
Recent news has touted an oil discovery in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico. That oil is deep under water and land mass and will be expensive to retrieve, as it was expensive to discover. The oil in Iraq is well known, close to the surface and relatively inexpensive to retrieve and refine. All the oil that remains in the earth is more espensive to find and retrieve than all of the oil, we have consumed. That means the oil companies need more money to explore. Ergo, shut off the spigit of cheap oil to force up the price at the pump, and create monies for the more expensive exploration.
Bush, Rice, Cheney and Rumsfeld are former oil company executives. Condie Rice had an oil tanker named after her.
Deep Throat had it right – follow the money.
I have picked George Allen to defeat and that is where most of my energy has gone! I am taking on Charlie Bass and anyone else I kin git my hands on.
epu’d:
Ed Gillespie is spinning and losing it and lying worse than anyone I have heard except Macaca.
only bushco lies as well.
Lots of us have heard Allen man speak!
Bunch of liars!
GO WEBB!
RevDeb:
The Kristol “American Greatness Conservatism” neocon types are going after Allen on behalf of McCain (that’s the Weakly Standard bit). Tweety has a freebie to pound this story while still supporting the Company.
Pachacutec @ 60
So we get rid of Allen and then go after McCain. We’ve got another year to bury that asshat.
Thanks Pach, it’s all been a valuable lesson on the state of mental health healthcare in this country.
GO Tweety– slay that fool and put him down forever!
Chris Matthews:
Allen’s a warmup for McCain. First defeat Allen, then we make McCain a smoldering wreck. He’s vulnerable, thin skinned and vain as hell. We can get him. He’s a dishonest Lieberman type camera whore and poseur.
Cujo, Did Alan Greenspan write that?
Tweety giving Allen’s main guy Ed Gellespie hell on the racist macaca comment. I hope C&L has it later.
Not buying that Allen made it up but “feels sorry for Allen”.
Millineryman @ 62
Pretty piss poor, I know. I was trained clinically before I went to my roots in business.
Pachacutec @ 65
Amen to that and I’m ready to fight!
Hugh @ 48
Exactly!
“That wasn’t a question, it was an accusation,” said Clinton spokesman Jay Carson. “He knew exactly what he was doing and we knew exactly what we were going to do if he did that, as we suspected he would.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..l_factor_2
This is must watch teevee on hardball. Hope John Amato gets it.
My head is about to explode with the lies. I never thought I would say bless you, Chris Matthews.
RevDeb @ 69
Me too! Every once in a while, McCain says some creepy, nasty thing that betrays his true nature. I’m going to have to start a collection.
I’m not ready to bless him angie.
I am so totally in favor of way less Republican snot!
Ah yes, the modern day Republican Party a buffet of maroons, dolts, ninnies, cretins, perverts and rumpswabbers.
The Great Decider is really an autocratically challenged feeble minded dry drunk….The right wing was upset at Hugo Chavez for hitting the nail on the head.
Drug addled and limp noodled Limbaugh is their prime mouthpiece…
Closet racist George Felix Allen Jr. is taking off the white sheets to don a yarmulke and pick-up the mantle of “aggrieved minority”….
George W. Bush’s closest policy adviser, Claude Allen was found guilty of theft. The man had the audacity to use the excuse that ‘Hurricane Katrina’ had so traumatized him…..I don’t think that’ll fly with the spam email rightwing hater clubs.
Newt Gingrich, Deadeye Dick Cheney, Tom Delay, Bob Ney, Duke Cunningham…..
Not to mention the raving, homicidal lunatic of the blond tresses and the boney angles who shall remain nameless…
Sops, loons, fudgeheads and shitheels.
Throw them out.
-GSD
angie @ 71
I’d ever go as far as to bless Tweety. He’s only doing his master’s bidding, whoever that master is. More importantly as Pach alluded to above, there is purpose to taking out Allen. We have worse fish to fry.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 4:19 pm (#66)
Are you refering to the NIE key judgments paper? If you are, then there are no authors listed. As you’ve probably noticed, it uses the pronoun “we” to refer to the judgments it came to. Whether that really means that more than one person was involved in its creation, I can’t say.
Pachacutec @ 12
Actually, Pach, Teh Dean wants you to APOLOGIZE.
To Karl Rove.
Meanwhile, I think we (the global we) are owed an apology, from same so-called Dean.
BRODER: Bush was elected twice, over Democrats Al Gore and John Kerry, whose know-it-all arrogance rankled Midwesterners such as myself. The country thought Bush was a pleasant, down-to-earth guy who would not rock the boat. Instead, swayed by some inner impulse or the influence of Dick Cheney, he has proved to be lawless and reckless. He started a war he cannot finish, drove the government into debt and repeatedly defied the Constitution.
Getting back to the shrublicans, as opposed to their enablers…they are planning the mother of all smear campaigns this October, and bragging about it.
I think we should get out in front of it, point it out, and pull its teeth.
But Chrissie says at the end … “I like George Allen.” Such a wuss!
The best part was Gillespie’s face at the end — talk about steaming.
with you 100% Pach
True Blue thru November
That’s the priority.
Pach – Some Universe around here has been commenting (loudly – if that is possible) for a very long time (ad nauseum, and at length) that Rover isn’t a genius – even offering why he is not. And with a purpose – trying to stop the reflexive fear of many on this thread just waiting for the alleged genius to somehow, against all conceiveable realities, grab victory out of the jaws of his and their well deserved and necessary defeat with a wave of his wand (or swift boat attack, or October surprise, or whatever).
And that same Universe has also repeatedly tried to get TEAM LOSER hung around Chimpco’s neck, although without much success.
So, happy to have you on board; and feel free to use TEAM LOSER (which I really thought would be more popular than it has been).
Amato has a Tweety macaca clip up.
This whole declassification of the NIE is an interesting attempt to change the subject. The idea is to get people not to look at the obvious that Iraq has created more terrorists and made us less safe. Bush is making a big deal about the fact that this leak has political implications. This Administration must be shocked, shocked I tell you, that people would leak information for political purposes. Can you say, Plame or Pot meet kettle?
So expect Republicans to cry Politics long and loud and cast veiled aspersions on the contents of the leak. What they are hoping is some people won’t pick up on the fact that what it says is true.
Of course, what I find truly amazing about all this is all this kabuki as if the NIE held some arcane secret instead of stating a ‘hit you over the head’ obvious truth that has been out there from the beginning of our involvement in Iraq.
MOSH
yay, thanks Pach!
I’m a Democrat precinct committeeman, and although it’s mostly local stuff for us this election (except the Gov), it is still good to be involved. I have been making calls for MoveOn.org once a week – they need callers and that’s something a lot of us can do. I also talk about issues with my daughter and her friends (14ish), but I wish there was something more, something bigger – yes like march on Washington. Oh well….
Macaca Allen and the Deer Head at Crooks and Liars.
This was brought up in the Salon article on Allen over the weekend. Interestingly, Salon has a followup to that article, the headline of which says that two more people have come forward with similar allegations:
http://www.salon.com/news/feat….._football/
hi all, sorry to go lateral on everyone here, but i was wanting to point out the rice comment (in response to the clinton dustup), “We’ve been through it. The 9/11 commission has turned over every rock and we know exactly what they said.”
BUT, i’m getting kind of sick of the idea that the 9/11 commission absolved the bushies of negligence or wrongdoing. as robert scheer pointed out, 9/11 commissioners were allowed primary access neither to the alleged Al Qaeda members involved with the attacks, nor to the investigators who interrogated them—so the commissioners had no way to “judge the credibility of the detainees [or] clarify ambiguities in the [investigators’] reporting.” [the infamous disclaimer on page 146 of the 9/11 commission report].
throw philip zelikow (a member of bush’s 2000 transition team) into the mix, and what you have is a complete boondoggle.
so they actually DIDN’T turn over “every rock,” because the bush administration wouldn’t let them.
watch 9/11 press for truth if you haven’t already — very informative, no tinfoil hats required.
ifthethunderdontgetya@77 boldly went for the three link overlimit, and has been tagged by FDL wildlife officials.
Well there’s no time like the present. I went to Menendez’s Web site to find where the local office is, and I signed up. I’ll call the main campaign office tomorrow and find where I can go locally to get involved.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 45
If either of the Repug’s FISA “do-over” bill or the “Criminals Get Their Own Pardon and It’s OK To Torture” bill does come up, I sure hope the Dems ask one central question over and over again until they get an answer (or grab the headlines *g*):
“Only criminals need immunity. Tell us Junya, why do you need immunity?”
Pachacutec @
64
yippeeeeee.
Speaking of getting rid of loser Republicans, I just heard that General Wesley Clark is coming in next Monday to speak at an event for Charlie Brown. Yahoo!
RevDeb @ 76
Virginia is still very precarious, imho. It is an incredibly important seat for us because Jim Webb is anti bush war policy and has a brain and a backbone that is independent of “the party” when it comes to true national security– he’ll be a leader for the dems. All of Allen’s speeches hearken back to his days as guvner. He is a bushbot and a racist and still there are some that will vote for him. Virginia is a red state turning purple and it has many military and govt people living in it. If it can go blue, so can other more red states. I am sticking with this race, my friend. It’s that important, imho.
Allen is a proud member of the worst of the worst club from way back. I agree that the conservative masters are throwing him under the proverbial bus, but the voters in VA need to hear more and be convinced.
Could the October surprise be an a bold, loud, and aggressive voice coming out the Democratic party?
Cozumel @ 70
That’s gets to the heart of it. Most of the MSM don’t ask questions of Democrats they make accusations and Democratic answers should reflect this.
angie @ 58
Do you read Not Larry Sabato, angie?
Millineryman @ 94
THAT would definitely be a surprise!
BLITZER: You also write in the book this.
And I want to put it up on the screen, because it’s a very sensitive point right now in the current debate in the United States. I will read to you what you write: “I never favored the invasion of Iraq, because I feared it would exacerbate extremism, as it has most certainly done. The world is not a safer place because of the war in Iraq. The world has become far more dangerous.”
This is very different than what President Bush says, including today, in the aftermath of this debate over this latest U.S. national intelligence estimate of the impact of the war in Iraq on the war on terror.
Is there anything you want to revise or amend from this statement? Or do you stand by what you wrote in the book, as far as the war in Iraq and its effect on the global war on terrorism?
MUSHARRAF: Well, I stand by it, absolutely.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA…..om.01.html
Frankin up on Tweety’s show now.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 96
yes I surely do, though not as much as I read FDL :O
I’m shocked.. The White House is said to have blocked the release of a Commerce Dept. report that said global warming may increase number and strength hurricanes.(Nature)
They “came to the sound of the gun”!??
What is this, some kookoo new meme of the idiotic right?
Greetings from “The Pit of Hell”
Not to long ago, I had the misfortune of literally running into Karl Rove in the lobby of a hotel. We were both trying to fit through the french doors of the lobby. He said, “Excuse Me”, and gestured for me to proceed, what good manners. My eyes apparently telegraphed to him that I, a total stranger, did in fact know who he was. His eyes telegraphed back to me that he was a bit surprised to be recognized in the first place but now that it was a done deal, his eyes seemed to light up a bit in vanity and it seemed to draw a slight but perceptible smirk on his face.
During the course of the day, I had to return to the lobby several more times and each time, there was KKKarl, pacing the terrace outside the lobby, yakking on a disposable cell-phone.
I thought each time how strange it was that this man has and was causing so much evil in the world and could do it so casually and openly and relatively anonymously.
I was sorry that I didn’t say something more to him during our brief encounter, witty repartee is not my strong suit.
Afterward it came to what I should have said when he politely said “Excuse Me”
I should have said, “Mr. Rove, there is no excuse for you.”
Not the best bon mot, but it sums up the situation with KKKarl. The guy needs more spotlight, he functions too easily as a man behind the curtain doing dirty deeds. Sunlight would destroy him like it would most vampires.
He is just a low rent culture/vulture, a one trick pony of poltical skullduggery.
Oh, did I mention, when I looked deep into his eyes for that brief moment in the lobby, it’s true, he has no Soul.
cujo – Sorry my Greenspan query was evidently a poor grasp for mild humor.
Mad Dogs @ 90
I hope it never hits the floor. Pachacutec DO you still have faith in your phone call with Harry on this? Could the gopers attach torture to a defense spending bill?
RevDeb @ 97
Well with Hilliary coming out today with her statement defending Bill, Terry McAuliffe smacking down Tucker Carlson, Pelosi taking a stand in the House, Jane Harmon bringing the other secret report up, perhaps it’s a karmaic snowball taking on a life of its own.
Bill Clinton says: “Attack”…..Keith Olbermann says ‘attack”…Wes Clark says “attack”…Nancy Pelosi on the “attack”…General Batiste says “attack”, Al Franken says “attack”……
The troops are rolling out and carrying the message…..
I think we’ll see Commando Murtha stepping back into the fray soon…
-GSD
I just watched the ‘angry’ Ws press conf. and I cannot, cannot, cannot believe that so many Americans are being fooled by this dupe! Fuck! People! Do! Something!
Rove is not a genius. He’s crafty, that’s about it.
We need to understand how he and the Republicans fight so that nothing will be surprising.
I agree that Matthew’s attack on Allen has been approved to clear the path for McCain.
David Ehrenstein @ 4:43 pm (#103)
Just makes you proud to be an American, doesn’t it? BTW, I didn’t realize “the gays” had multiple hit lists. How many does one need to be on before he’s actually hit? Apparently, it’s quite a few, because I haven’t seen any bigots being hit yet.
Not sure what you’re asking. I was on a call where Reid said Specter’s warrantless wiretapping bill would not pass, where he hinted at a possible filibuster threat. Glenn Greenwald was the first to blog it, and someone at dkos followed: maybe mcjoan.
There was no discussion of torture and Reid has been absolutely execrable this past week on the torture stuff. Absolutely shameful and if he and other Dems cave their grandchildren should be reminded of it, and their grandchildern, and their staffers grandchildren.
Gentleman Jim — Rover on disposable cell phone, hmm?
Interesting. Wonder how many disposables he’s been through in the last 5 years…
Clean up @107
Millineryman @ 105
Until they come out and say unequivocally that they will not allow torture or the suspension of habeas corpus, it is all a charade as far as I’m concerned.
go Al Franken!
RevDeb @ 113
That’s very true. I got caught up in a moment after reading a series of recent posts this evening.
Hi folks! OT a bit here, but I’m so happy to finally get the Lieberman “Ferris Bueller” ad up on our blog. I’m here with Kirby, and we finished the last bit of voiceover just a few minutes ago.
Here’s the link; enjoy!
http://ctbob.blogspot.com/2006…..ff_26.html
http://mediamatters.org/items/200609260011
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“Bush also questioned the political motivations behind the leak of the NIE conclusion, which he claimed was disclosed in order to “create confusion in the minds of the American people”:
BUSH: [H]ere we are, coming down the stretch in an election campaign, and it’s on the front page of your newspapers. Isn’t that interesting? Somebody has taken it upon themselves to leak classified information for political purposes.
[…]
BUSH: But once again, there’s a leak out of our government, coming right down the stretch in this campaign. To create confusion in the minds of the American people, in my judgment, is why they leaked it.”
~~~
Unfuckingbelievable.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 4:45 pm (#105) cujo – Sorry my Greenspan query was evidently a poor grasp for mild humor.
Or, you mistook me for someone who was better informed. I seem to remember that Greenspan did have a similarly bizarre way of referring to his own conclusions, but I honestly couldn’t sit through more than a sentence or two of him speaking. Perhaps that’s why it didn’t make as much of an impression on me.
Millineryman @ 93
You got from me a nice warm chuckle. Nice image.
No labor, anti-monopoly, civil rights or socially progressive laws was or ever will be passed without blood, work, and sacrifice of the people.
Oh I forgot to say I am trying like heck with finances and phone calls to get NED elected so we can defeat the republican Joe Lieberman.
Connecticut Bob @ 117
AB FAB.
Connecticut Bob @ 118
How awesomely timely, CT Bob!
moeman @ 119
They leaked it to confuse us? If they did, they picked a lousy time to do it. I’m still trying to figure out how Iraq could be considered a comma. That’s enough confusion for one week.
OK it’s fun time. Keith is on.
Housekeeping:
My donation is for Marcy’s book.
It appears that there is no way to differentiate donations to fdl in general and Marcy’s book in particular.
Please advise.
Pachacutec @
64
YES!!! So it’s not just me?? I used to respect him, years ago, but NO MORE. Great post, Pachacutec.
GSD @ 74 — don’t hold back, now… let us know what you think! “Sops, loons, fudgeheads and shitheels.” Love it!
I do guerilla work at my office, being known as “the crypto-Commie.” I keep shoving stuff up the doctors’ noses (they’re ENT docs, so that gets them where they live) and now they’re starting to look at me like cocker spaniels who have been given an unfamiliar command… You know, head cocked over, all quizzical… Today’s teaching moment was the Newsweek covers.
Sorry, but I disagree with both you and Arianna. I think Bill is smart enough to know what he was going to be asked by Fox and he used it as a platform like no other that could possibly garner the attention it did.
And what has been the result? The Administration going into defense. They’re wasting headlines trying to get back at him and they’re being trumped at every turn.
This really isn’t merely about Bill Clinton’s handling of Al Qeada, this goes to the very heart of the beginning of all the lies this Administration has told. And the public has finally wised up enough to know “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.”
Their cornerstone has been pulled out from beneath their structure.
You’re right about this, Karl Rove IS an asshole. Clinton is the real genius.
Keith O breaks out the hammer again…..
Yippee.
-GSD
If Allen speaks French, he and his French educated mother know exactly what macaca means, even today. Slags are taught to children since early age.
Bush is but a comma in a very long Hague sentence.
People are also getting a refresher course about how the media treated Bill Clinton and how the media treats King George the Turd.
-GSD
Apropos of how to behave toward what’s going on now, Sara Robinson at Orcinus offers this.
ccmask @
132
T-SHIRT material!
Margot @ 136
I’m with Margot!
moeman @ 118
More projection on his part. He’s confused. We aren’t confused a bit.
BTW, there was an was an absolutely execrable opinion piece in the LA Times today about Clinton. Seems the writer, a novelist fer chrissakes, is rather fact challenged. Just a reminder of the crap our media puts out. Since I don’t have a bird and hence, no birdcage, I don’t buy that paper anymore.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 136
I’M WITH MARGOT TOO!!
Hey! Thanks Guys! wooooohooooooooo
Just now Hillary Clinton was shown on KO referring to “my husband” just after a quote from Condi Rice.
There is a joke in there somewhere, but I can’t quite get to it . . . .
I have compiled this with some consultation from people I trust and have knowledge…
He was jealous. It’s his job to create confusion in the minds of the American people,
Olbermann shows that Clinton, when presented with an equivalent hair on fire PDB, actually took action.
His commenters say Bush is clearly uncomfortable with what is in the NIE. [which NIE, the one we are supposed to know about, or the hidden one?]
LindaR @ 141
Probably along the lines of, “Condi, there’s a difference between a real wife and an office wife. Get over it.”
montag @
134
Great Sara Robinson commentary. Thnx for this montag. I needed that.
Richmond
and
ifthethunderdontgetya
LOL
;-}
montag @ 133
Sara Robinson is AMAZING. She did a series on Orcinus called “Cracks In The Wall” that laid out how authoritarian personalties (read religious right) function and how to pry them loose. Fascinating stuff. The series starts here:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2…..ining.html
Cujo359 @ 26
(Touches envelope to forehead, a la Carnac the Magnificent.)
The guy on my left says it’s good, the guy on my right says it’s bad, and you the viewer should do the real investigating because we’re too damn cheap and lazy to hire journalists.
(Opens envelope.)
What is the basic format of every cable news story since 1995?
Margot @ 135
Make it happen at Cafe Press.
Olbermann: tomorrow, what Bush tried to do to stop terrorist attacks. Hint: not much. And Allen’s racist behavior and attitudes. hahahahahaha
Morris Sheppard @ 137
I don’t have a bird either. I put our paper under the cat litter box… I’ve got one who sometimes misses. Seems a good use for the paper…
SharonW @ 127
Bravo! Agree 100%
Connecticut Bob @ 115
Quite fantastic. This should be on TV. A Lot,
LindaR @ 140
Remember when Condi called Dubya “my husband” and then caught herself??? snicker….
Margot @ 135
Make it happen at Cafe Press.
Olbermann: tomorrow, what Bush tried to do to stop terrorist attacks. Hint: not much. And Allen’s racist behavior and attitudes. hahahahahaha
Webb for Senate. Please donate generously. The right wingers have a LOT of money. We just need enough to get the new ad out.
Thank you, and have a nice democracy.
Bush’s plan to deal with this NIE is not playing in Peoria. Everywhere I look “The Cause Celebre” seems to be the headline.
ABC News skewered them tonight and then went on to the whole Clinton/Bush/Rice/bin Laden issue. They covered it PERFECTLY, including the fact that the 9/11 Commission Report directly refuted what Rice said about not being presented with a plan to deal with Al Qeada.
Big dawg knows how to play this game.
The combination one-two punch is daunting. We’re drawing blood now.
Gentleman Jim, good thing you’re a gentleman, otherwise I’d have jump in my car and come marry you.
I love this post Pach, along with Christy’s growing excellent fury. I’m a freshly minted election judge. Outta the house and into the ‘hoods, les chiens del fuegos!
Interesting find about cable news ratings..
Full article here.
Sorry for the double post, I thot I was just editing?
Thank you. I get pretty sick of the Karl-Rove-as-supervillain-mastermind meme. The “man” is a snarling bully-boy with exactly three tricks in his playbook and too damned many alleged journalists on the take. If it weren’t for the latter, everybody would have known the former six years ago.
Marion in Savannah @ 148
Don’t the editorials make the cat pee stink?
Connecticut Bob @ 116
egregious @ 143
This is the cherry-picked, key assessments portion. I can’t imagine how bad the whole report is. And apparently every network I’ve seen has picked up on Jane Harman’s remarks and demand to see the “other” NIE in draft form.
This is glorious.
Thank you dear mod for releasing my 142! I don’t know what happened, but it is the first time that I copied my work from Word and pasted it here…
SharonW @
156
“Cause Celebre”
Methinks it would be fun to see a fearless liberal media type ask the extremely angry preznit what ‘Cause Celebre’ actually means. Maybe he’d be as succinct as when he was asked what sovereignty meant.
Morris Sheppard @ 159
Yeah, but the cat box is right by the outside garage door so we don’t notice it much… LOL!!
montag @
134
Wow, Montag that’s a mighty fine link. There’s lots of great stuff there but, IMO, Sara’s money quote is:
On Olbermann the CM finally makes the connection between Allen’s use of Macaca and the fact that his mother is from Tunisia, where macaca means ‘dirty Arab’ or ‘dirty n*gg**’.
Contrasts Webb’s willingness to take responsibility for his comments on women in combat, v. Allen’s complete denial that using macaca, a swear word his potty-mouth mother must have used repeatedly, meant nothing and that he ‘just made the word up.’
Sure. Uh huh. Ready for something better? WEBB FOR SENATE.
I wasn’t either, but always proud to share her given name. Now THERE was a kickass muthafucka who NEVER stopped, who paid zero attention to the Fox News assholes of her day, whose relentless work relegated them to their deserved oblivion.
After what Keith has been doing lately don’t ya think it’s time for his producers to let him out of the celebrity fluff jail and let him let go of the Paris Hilton/Suri/JonBenet stories so he can do what he does best?
Rant against the stupidity of the power structures, that’s what he’s great at.
Moeman @ 163:
“Methinks it would be fun to see a fearless liberal media type ask the extremely angry preznit what ‘Cause Celebre’ actually means.”
Oh, lawdy… Just trying to mentally parse this one made me pull something… ow… off to get an aspirin!
montag @ 5:08 pm (#134)
Good article, and I agree. We’ve certainly been remarking here about how milqtoasty many Democrats have been these days. I suspect that the same thing that irritates us about them is what leads others to believe that they’d never be able to make hard decisions about how to protect the country.
Cause celebre must’ve been the buzzphrase Townsend pushed in the teleconference with media people. Noron…back to her steno self…was repeated it so often in her little bit on Hardball that the concertinas were starting to sound in the background.
Cause celebre…does this mean BushCo’s suckin’ up to Chirac now?
angie @
164
Who knew that Civil War history could be so much fun. (!)
Sharkbabe @ 169
She once personally told me that “he needs a lot of help.” Swear.
Sharkbabe @ 169
Damn straight!
I have a couple of Susans in my life that I care for very much and I just met another!
egregious @ 165
It’s about time. It’s in Wikipedia and someone linked to it the first day he made the comment.
I just saw a piece of couric’s slumber party with condi sleazy. Holy shit Bradley, Wallace et al must have pounded their heads on the desk when they saw that piece of maccaca.
Why we went to Iraq:
Mainly to control the second largest oil reserves in the world as we pass peak oil to milk them for as much profit as possible.
Also, to have a base of operations in the middle east since we had to get out of Saudi Arabia.
There are many articles by reputable journalists and reputable publications that, when added up, show the goal was to establish a permanent footprint in the region. You have to look at the behavior of Cheney in his energy meetings, Cheney’s absolute determination to go to war in Iraq, the failure to rebuild Iraqi society while putting an inordinate amount of resources into getting the oil pumping, restructuring the economy to be a ‘laisser-faire’ capitalist dream (this was said in an article in the Economist). This is why they are so determined to stay. It has nothing to do with U.S. security; it has to do with them shoring up their own control of essential resources as they run out.
LindyH @
83
LindyH, Emimem, YESSSSSSSSS!
moeman @ 165
ROTFL! “Cause Celebre means that; it’s celebre. I mean, you’re a — you’ve been given cause, and you’re viewed as a celebre. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and celebres is one between causes and celebres.”
Karl Rove is not a genius. He’s an asshole.
It’s been apparent all along that Rove knows how to do two things. 1) Talk to the base. 2) Obscure from anyone who is not the base what he is actually saying to the base. Unfortunately, little things like reality have cut out the second thing, effectively halving his skill set.
I’m with Atrios: I still want to know why we really went
I think maybe our Iraq adventure is the ultimate expression of the two things Rove used to be able to do. The corporate base understood it was about oil. The “moral” base understood it was about Armageddon and the Rapture. The neocon base understood it was about the PNAC wet dream. The non-base got phony links to al Qaeda to obscure all of the above. Those of us who were never fooled simply didn’t factor into the equation in any way.
I also like Frank Rich’s explanation: We went into Iraq to make Democrats look bad in the midterm elections.
Pac at 50:
thanks for that link, Pac
I’ll add it to my Obama file. I’d love to see what happened to Lieberman happen to him in 08.. maybe there’s a determined Iraq vet or feisty millionaire who would like to step up – I’ll work in their media dept for nothing…
klyde @ 178– did you get a chance to read Eugene Robinson’s column today about Cond’s acting? Here’s the end, but the whole thing is worth the read.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..00880.html
RevDeb 170 – I well remember Keith during the “Clenis & blowjob – the end of America?” days. He was forced to be part of the pack, but was clearly jaded and disgusted at the ridiculousness of the spectacle. Just warming up for when we’d really need him.
SharonW @ 181
Yeah! SharonW, your brain was working in places I feared to tread. You’ve nailed his inanity and stupidity and arrogance all in 2 little sentences. I’m impressed… (and horribly jealous…!) {bowing in awe}
Had a bully on me when I was in kindergarten in the line home. He was 2 – 3 years older than me. I clocked him in his fucking dome with my Dukes of Hazard lunchbox (yeah in MA no less). He didn’t talk smack after that, and if he had one of my older brothers would have punched him in the mouth.
As for Rove he is a dummy who thinks what he does is slick. But he’s just the latest snake to be doing what been going on for countless years. Only difference is he thinks its so natural for him that he does not notice how freakin obvious he is. Not only that but they failed to realize that with the internet et al every single piece of crap lie, and at least a few hundred of their crimes is there for anyone to look-up. Sure they will try to ban net nutrality…and any politico worth their parties salt will make that the blow that loses the Republicans a generation, and young people for the next 50 years.
ot
I’ll tell you what, raw story posted the NIE the president edited for release
I’m stunned at how much critisism of his polices he’s left in, there are very few factors that counter ballance the critisism
I might be wrong, but I think he stabbed himself in the back
I’ll post my annotations, I hope someone else gives analysis also
Marion in Savannah @
171
Got some time, this is useful;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cause_clbre
~~~
Sadly Maher Arar (a recent entry) is listed. Thanks for assisting in the torture of my fellow Canadian W.
lexie @ 179
Oh, I agree that it’s about oil. But it’s not about access. It’s about getting that oil at the lowest possible cost, in order to maximize profit. Iraqi oil was high on the list because the optimized extraction costs are among the lowest in the world–about $1-1.50/bbl. Plus, the CPA immediately put Iraqi oil back on the dollar and off the Euro, thus ensuring US cash reserves there.
Wonder if ExxonMobil ever thanks their private army, the U.S. military?
angie @ 173
My late Great Aunt, who was born in the 1880’s, once told me when I was a child that she had heard Susan B. Anthony speak when she was still a teenager. She said that it had inspired her to not only become a suffragette, something of which she was always extremely proud, but to go to law school, which was some rare feat for a woman in 1900’s. She later became the first woman assistant DA in New York State, a lifelong Democratic activist and judge. Just so you know that Susan Anthony’s legacy lived on long past her.
Marion in Savannah @ 185Yeah! SharonW, your brain was working in places I feared to tread. You’ve nailed his inanity and stupidity and arrogance all in 2 little sentences. I’m impressed… (and horribly jealous…!) {bowing in awe}
I agree 100%, a bushian daffynition from SharonW.
Susan B. Anthony (no matter her political persuasion) is alive and well here at FDL with the ladies and gentlemen here.
She was a humanist.
Interesting Bubba interview on Countdown.
He’s labelling himself as a “progressive” and also advocating for calm discourse.
Bill, I appreciate that you recognize it’s in your interests to coopt our idenity, but hanging us out to dry by giving cool sermons about how people need to be calmer?
That’s nice when you’re dealing with rational people. But that’s not the world we live in, and you know it.
This is what I mean about Clinton’s self-serving willingness to piss on progressives. Don’t be mistaken about this. I have no problem praising him for what he does right, but no fear of calling him or any other Dem out for more Sister Souljah gutless opportunism.
Just think of the coming days with Bush trying to play this as the selective leaking of a classified NIE document for political purposes.
ROTFL! Irony bites Bush in the ass big time.
HotFlash!
Hey, me finally gettin em just last week! Thankfully mild, interesting even. But damn, dozen x/day at least. Is there any end to the fun of Primal Femaleness?
Roddy McCorley @ 181
Now *that* is an extremely pithy summary. Much appreciated by me, as from the get-go, I saw invading Iraq as a “fool’s venture”, and an extremely dangerous one.
Moeman @ 188,
I probably was very unclear, but what I couldn’t wrap my brain around (hence the brain sprain) was Dubya trying to, oh, well, let’s start with PRONOUNCE cause celebre… (is there a way to do accents? I tried and got gibberish..) If he can’t say nuclear…. OW. Brain. Hurts.
sporkovat @ 180
Or maybe a Lieberman loss will put the fear of the God Obama is always talking about into him.
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NEW YORK TIMES reporter Adam Nagourney plans a Page One Splash for Wednesday, declaring: “The result has been what aides to both sides described on Tuesday as the most toxic midterm political environment in memory.”
Developing…
RevDeb @ 170
I agree, sent this to them after his Monday rant:
I am very proud to be a Susan — altho Dad wanted to name me ‘Jo’. Glad to be a Susan.
Pachacutec @ 193
Is it possible that, after his “crazed” performance (and boy, oh boy, didn’t I just spotlight all over Fox’s ass on that…) he’s now letting people know that his position is, in fact, reasonable? I know he’s a triangulator par excellence but this doesn’t taste like that to me. Tastes more like “come on in, the water’s fine, and we’re not crazed at all — this is the way RATIONAL people think.” Is that way out of line??
Susan Anthony is one of the greatest Americans – along with her equally indefatigable and astonishing partner in kickasshood, Elizabeth Cady Stanton. They got swiftboated forever, made some mistakes, but damn. They won. Because they were full of fury and they never stopped.
moeman @ 191
I agree 100%, a bushian daffynition from SharonW.
Shucks, tweren’t nothing. I just played with Bush’s sovereignty quote. He’s so stupid, he makes this easy. ;)
Marion in Savannah @ 197
Nope. You, was, clear
I’d be twisted in knots, my ribs in pain and my pants wet if I ever witnessed W ever attempting to pull out his Petit Robert in public.
Sharkbabe @ 195
Oh, my… I remember my first one. Had NO IDEA what it was… I’m NOT that old! I went the “no hormones” way and they faded out. You might want to look into one of the herbals. There was one that seemed to help me, but for the life of me it was so long ago I can’t remember the name… Like Republicans in control of the Congress this, too, shall pass…
I have no public comment on the many wonderful Susan’s.
Sharkbabe @ 195
Yeah, it’s called Amitriptylin, i.e. Elavil. :)
well I have to hand it to president bush
when I heard he was hand picking the portions of the nie he wanted to release and then found out there were only 4 pages of the 9 page report he was going to make public I NEVER expected him to release so much of the critisism leveled at his policies as he has
in fairness I won’t highlight the critisism and I won’t comment on them they are so abundant and they speak for themselves without my liberal point of view
for the most part, if it is not emboldened it is a critiism of his policies
I’ve emboldened the ponts I can find that add ballance the indictment of his policies in Iraq, if anyone can find others, please psot and I’ll add the correction
here’s what he’s you’re going to find when this goes to press
that of course is true and hats off to the president for that, this had nothing to do with Iraq but it is what we want to be happening and we wish this was what the president concentrated on
the release goes on in the second part of the same paragraph to assess
I’m quoting and then highlighting the positives as I find them
this positive is a game plan not a result…a good game plan also, the repoort implores the president to enlist muslim nations to take up the anti terror cause with us…they say this will yeild results and of course they are right about that advise
We assess that the global jihadist movement is decentralized, lacks a coherent global strategy, and is becoming more diffuse. New jihadist networks and cells, with anti-American agendas, are increasingly likely to emerge. The confluence of shared purpose and dispersed actors will make it harder to find and undermine jihadist groups.
this starts out to look like it’s going to mark a success, telling us the movement lacks a global strategy, but then goes on to tell us this makes the effort harder to undermine not easier to undermine
this is another suggestion for us to succeed, a very nice suggestion like the first one…we have to make it look like the terrorists have failed, that might help slow the growth of their movement
We assess that the underlying factors fueling the spread of the movement outweigh its vulnerabilities and are likely to do so for the duration of the timeframe of this Estimate.
this tells us they don’t think the tide of terrorsm will slow, they expect the growth to increase
that’s hard to miss, I don’t need to anotate the the indictment of our campaign in Iraq…this can’t be missinterperated
there’s some more advice on how to proceed, again, I think this is excellant advice
if we can stabalize the muslim condition these vulnearblities can be exploited
very nice work here from the NIE
very nice advice again
we need to expose the theocrats for what they are, most muslims do NOT want ultra concervative interperatation of their religion, we need to exploit that sentiment to show that’s what they will get if they support terrorism
also very nice and I believe president Bush is allready facilitating this advice, we need to enlist the cooperation of Muslim leaders so they can promote the teachings that are contrary to the tactics of terrorism
on this point I agree, I think the president is doing all he can to enlist their cooperation
this advice is obvious, the more leaders we eliminate the harder it becomes for these groups to organize, obviously we have to continue eliminating the leaders of terrorist groups and cells
Morris at 200
A scared Obama would be a better Obama it is true- look what taking principled stands did for the national reknown and prestige of Feingold…
Obama could have that easily with some stirring rhetoric backed up by any action at all but he may prefer staying safe with the DLC and their corporate funding sources…
But I’ll always remember this time we are in right now, who had the guts to stand up when the Preznit had approval ratings in the 30’s and who still cowered behind “no-comment, no position, no statement” which is all I got from Joe-Bama’s staffers today.
It didn’t seem like the Senator had any defenders in the comments back in June, either. Maybe it’s different over at Kos..
Sharkbabe @ 203
well said, and may we never forget our women… We all know them, historically and/or personally. I am lucky– they’re everywhere I look!
Marion,
Bill has a consistent pattern of this. I could cite some other, more current examples, but I’d rather just let him or his people be aware that we would rather he gives us more positives to focus on.
It’s important for Jay Carney and others to appreciate that we’re not dupes and we’re not naive. We have values and beliefs, and they include things, to pick a couple of examples, like full throated support for Ned Lamont and opposition to turture.
Our values don’t, for example, include pretending that the only people who really care about values are mendacious, racist wingers, as Obama seems to believe.
Triangulation is over. Deal with it. It’s time to rebuild the brand from the roots up, without fear and without apology. We welcome those who join us.
me to me @ 209:
In your post you said: “there were only 4 pages of the 9 page report he was going to make public…”
What fascinates me (given the negative stuff that was in what was released) is the fact that he was willing to release almost half, and with negative content. Makes me wonder what he was UNWILLING to release. Has to be much worse than what’s out now. To say nothing of the “phantom” NIE report that we’ve not seen…
SharonW @ 128
c’mon, you should know by now that quote goes: “fool me once…shame on…you, fool me twice, er, uh, won’t get fooled again!”
heh.
Just got here and have not read anything, but my cold thought is how this dustup on the NIE has drawn attention away from the bill to save the Bushco conspirators from prosecution and just incidentally fatally eviscerate the constitution. I haven’t found news of it all day today. But then, at work, my options are really limited.
Weird lil story: I got named Susan sort of after an ex-girlfriend of my dad, & middle-named Gordon after paternal grandma. Some years later dad catches up with the ex-gf, she’s living in SF and married to a cop, took his name which was – you guessed it, Gordon.
Pach–”Not only has every rationale for the invasion and occupation of Iraq been discredited (I’m with Atrios: I still want to know why we really went)”
Well duh OIL of course. Interesting to see the debate where Webb said we should NOT HAVE PERMANENT BASES in Iraq and forced Allen reluctantly to agree.
Iraq IS a terrorist threat. To Israel. Alliance between elements of their government and rogue/dual citizenship/loyalty elements of our own government. What’s good for A must be good for B. And that’s how we find ourselves on the food end of the Matrix.
PNAC: goal, to get the US government to send its military to wipe out terrorist threats to Israel. Sounds good until you talk to the families of the 3,000-8,000 killed [OH COME ON, you think they’re counting everyone killed? If in the helicopter or at the hospital they ARE NOT COUNTED.] and 20,000-40,000 grievously wounded.
I talked with a father of a Marine in Ramadi. The casualty rate, dead and seriously wounded, is 54%. That’s FIFTY-FOUR PERCENT. And the morale of the rest of them = ?
This makes the news here…not so much. OUR SHAME. THEIR DEATHS and their loss of eyesight, ability to think clearly ever again, arms, legs. And FOR WHAT REASON? FOR WHAT GLORIOUS NATIONAL GOAL? For the glory of the Bush administration?
God help us. God forgive us.
The Clinton administration was 100 TIMES better than the Bush administration in addressing the al Qaeda terrorist threat before the 9/11 attacks, thus proving that Democrats are stronger on national security than Republicans.
Where’d I get this 100 TIMES better figure?
Simple.
I took the last eight months of the Clinton administration and compared this period against the first eight months of the Bush administration prior to the 9/11 attacks.
One important difference proves my point.
Bill Clinton’s administration reportedly held cabinet-level counter-terrorism meetings three times a week. At these meetings, top officials in the Clinton administration, including from our nation’s intelligence branches, met to discuss how to protect U.S. citizens from the al Qaeda terrorist threat. Three times a week. Over the last eight months of Clinton’s time in office.
By my calculation, this means that over this 32 week span, the Clinton administration held approximately 100 cabinet-level counter-terrorism meetings, called to keep Americans safe, or safer than if no meetings had been called at all.
So, what about the first eight months, the first 32 week span, of the Bush administration, prior to the 9/11 attacks? How many cabinet-level counter-terrorism meetings did Bush call? How many times did Bush and Cheney have top Bush administration officials, including top officials in our nation’s intelligence agencies, meet to map out their plan for protecting U.S. citizens from the al Qaeda terrorist threat?
One.
On 9/4/2001, when the Bush administration held their one and only meeting to discuss the al Qaeda terrorist threat.
And one week later the al Qaeda terrorist struck inside the United States, killing 3,000 U.S. citizens.
100 meetings (Clinton) to 1 meeting (Bush), during a comparable eight month period prior to the 9/11 attacks.
Now, someone try to convince me that Bush did all he could do to safeguard U.S. citizens before the 9/11 attacks.
Now, someone try to tell me that if the Bush administration had held the SAME number (100) of cabinet-level counter-terrorism meetings that Bill Clinton’s administration held in the eight months prior to Bush entering into the White House, that the 9/11 attacks would have succeeded anyway. Riiigghhhttt.
If Bush had held as many top-level, cabinet-level, counter-terrorism meetings as Clinton did, the top intelligence agency chiefs in attendance would have shared intelligence…and the hijackers would have been stopped…and 3,000 U.S. citizens would still be alive today.
Or at least, the odds of catching the hijackers beforehand would have increased exponentially relative to the number of top-level, cabinet-level counter-terrorism meetings held.
One meeting by the Bush administration was irresponsible. One meeting indicates criminal negligence on the Bush administration. One meeting, one week before the 9/11 attacks, did not protect the lives of U.S. citizens, especially the 3,000 U.S. citizens that died one week later on 9/11.
Democrats, therefore, are at least 100 TIMES stronger on national security and the safeguarding of the lives of U.S. citizens, and their children, than the Bush administration and Republicans.
The proof is in the pudding, as some say. Figures don’t lie.
The Bush administration fucked up. The Republicans fucked up. And for the past five years they’ve tried to coverup their major fuckup that got 3,000 U.S. citizens killed on 9/11.
But figures don’t lie. 2 plus 2 still equals 4.
And 100 Clinton meetings still beat the 1 meeting by Bush before the 9/11 attacks, 100 TIMES over.
And the Truth is still True, no matter how hard the Republicans try to lie and spin their way out of facing the Truth.
All this business the last couple of days surrounding Chris Wallace, both Clintons and Rice is great theater. And I have to say it’s about time former President Clinton defended himself against the Bush gross lies. And he surely got the job done. But how does this get our troops out of the civil war going on in Iraq? Not to mention the Afghanistan situation or address the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?
Of course I realize putting the spotlight on Iraq, might bring some voters our way. But this particular debate should have been going on at least two years ago.
Marion in Savannah @ 202
His “triangulation” as people like to call it makes his current pissed offedness perfection. Don’t you see? It’s like someone who uses the word “fuck” all the time. It loses its power. However, the person who never uses it and suddenly does…well, whoa now, they get attention. Serious. Attention.
Hypatia @ 215
I am hoping that this is a perfect storm, but have little hope for anything to happen until we win in November and hold one chamber of Congress accountable. ;((((((((((
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angie@164..Your 142 is an example of what a great place FDL is.
Joke Klein vomiting yucky stuff on Joe’s Show on MSNBC.
thank you, Steve @ 223.
p-rex @ 215
Yeah, well I forewent channeling The Who like Bush did. *VBG*
angie @ 223
I changed channels to Sex & the City. Far more enlightening and enlightened that Scarborough or Klein. How bad is that?
Please check out what Jordan has for us upstairs!
angie @ 221
What else is new?
God will never forgive this nation (and I say this as an atheist/buddhist) for what we have done to the country and people of Iraq. Nor should He.
This psycho Cheney junta has managed to make Saddam Hussein look like a responsible caring steward of his nation.
I’m just stunned 24/7 at it all.
Sharkbabe @ 226
“I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.” – Thomas Jefferson
zat a new thread i c ?
yes
Hey Firedogs,
Sharkbabe,
our own Mommybrain turned me on to this and it works
http://www.stopflash-usa.com/
fyi- the flashes/sweats showing up at onset usually mean they wont last too long anyway (it’s when they show up years after onset is where they prove very stubborn!)
Black Cohosh (vitamin section of grocery stores ) has also proven safe and helpful
stay away from HRT ! – have never been alarmist about stuff like this, but the dangers are far greater than Big Pharma would have us all believe – and resulting side effects can show up long after you quit taking them
Pachacutec @ 213
I’m with Pach! (and Margot!)
But I’m also for standing up to the shrublicans.
It’s nice to see the Clenis lead for a change (that would be as opposed to nobody leading or fighting).
See, it’s conflicted feelings, pach.
The Clinton bashing is getting a bit old.
How’s this? former-narcissist-in-chief Did I get that From Free Republic? Unfortunatly not.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..30250.html
Pac at 214
Triangulation is indeed over as a winning strategy, though plenty of Dems and their Beltway consultants still seem content to lose with it.
There’s no way I’ll ever again vote Dem just because “It’s almost as bad as vote for a Repug!”
And sane, Eisenhower, Country Club Republicans, plenty of military families, etc, are disgusted and looking for alternatives… but folks like these who have finally had enough Bull from the Party they were born into will have a low tolerance for Bullsh*t – so triangulation is less a winner with them than bold, honest, brave principles…
see this great post:
http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2…..icans.html
they are ready to come over…
Excuse me, sir …Perhaps you mean ‘…The 33-anna-3rd percent of hardcore kool-aid swigging, purple heart-bandaid wearing, value voting against our own self-interests and lovin’ it, jingo-janglin’ jackasses left in this country who elect swagger over substance and lap freely from the crock-pot of utter fear-swill that we’ve lovingly prepared…’
…That’s a little more specific, in my judgement.
darkblack- OT but I left some comments for you on the Lindsay thread.
Is this what you call “triangulation” ?
Iraqi president Talabani met with Clinton in NY on Monday and urged him to help keep Iraq out of US political-party debates. Clinton, according to Talabani’s statement, expressed “understanding” of that point of view and said he would work to convey that attitude in his political-party meetings. (The report is in an Iraqi paper that cites “agencies” but I couldn’t find this anywhere else, so I summarized it on my blog (click on handle above, I believe) in case youse are interested…
Sharkbabe @ 195
Not that I can see. A terrycloth pillowcase is practical.
RagingGurrl @ 109
Rove wins because he is unprincipled, immoral and believes the ends justify the means. He may be as smart as Joseph Goebbels, but he certainly isn’t a genius. He wins because he could care less about democracy. I would encourage anyone who hasn’t to read Bush’s Brain. It chills me to the bone that he is training others to be just like him.
It’d be really nice to see President Clinton pull out all the stops and campaign as hard as he knows how for Ned Lamont. Clinton owes Lieberman nothing. And after Clinton’s terrible treatment the last few days at the hands of the Bush gang, maybe he will. And as most of us know full well, including I’m sure, the former president, Bush and the Repubs really want Joey to win.
Empahsis mine
Senators Propose Funds for Paper Ballots to Back Up Electronic Ones
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Published: September 26, 2006
WASHINGTON, Sept. 26 — Three Senate Democrats proposed emergency legislation today to reimburse states for printing paper ballots that can be ready at polling places in case of problems with electronic voting machines on Nov. 7.
The proposal is a response to grass-roots pressure and growing concern by local and state officials about touch-screen machines. An estimated 40 percent of voters will use those machines in the election.
“If someone asks for a paper ballot they ought to be able to have it,” said Senator Barbara Boxer of California, a co-sponsor of the measure with Senator Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut and Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconson.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09…..ref=slogin
Pach, glad you are supporting Webb. I’ve been an advocate since February, after reading a newspaper article about him. Way better than Allen, a Democrat in a pivotal state, that’s enough for my wallet and my loyalty.
GO WEBB!!
angie @ 122
I’m with you on that. I am away from home Sunday through Thursday on business and have been devoting every Saturday afternoon to volunteer for Ned Lamont – canvassing by phone or door to door.
The testimony Batiste, Eaton and Hammes gave yesterday has given me a renewed sense of urgency and has spurred me on as nothing else has. We need a Congress that fulfills its function of oversight – our country depends on it. We can’t afford to have politicians like Joe Lieberman in office – look what he has allowed to happen during the past six years – Katrina, Iraq, most likely Iran, etc., etc.
Pakistan Prez appears on ‘Daily Show’
snip
“George W. Bush and Osama bin Laden — be truthful — who would win a popular vote in Pakistan?” asked Stewart.
“I think they’ll both lose miserably,” replied Musharraf, an answer met with raucous laughter by the “Daily Show” audience.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..daily_show
LOL
Pachacutec @ 212
Yeah, in very large part I agree with you. However, I can’t help but notice that the big, loud, obvious “push back” didn’t start until he smacked down Wallace. I just don’t want to toss out the baby with the bathwater….
Millineryman @ 242
Oh, Sweet Baby Jesus, dare I hope…? I’m gonna light a candle in church… just in case…
To quote Emily Dickinson: “hope is the thing with feathers, that nestles in the soul”…. Dare I have a thing with feathers????
Pach,
You really want to know why we went to Iraq? Read Confession of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins. Visit http://www.johnperkins.org
Some dismiss him as not being detailed enough, but if you have been there you understand the silent conspiracy. It is like religion. Money, sex, power.
Rove wins because Republicans are well organized.
Put me or any number of a lot of people on top of a strong political organization, unified and knowing how to fight, and we’d all look like geniuses.
In politics, the genius is the infrastructure.
dead last,
ha! you are not NOT dead last.
And what makes you describe the conspiracy as “silent?” It can’t stop running its own mouth about it.
To get more info regarding the most important topic on the blogs-YOUR VOTE, read:
BLOGGED BY Brad ON 9/26/2006 12:36PM
BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: BOXER, DODD INTRODUCE 11th HOUR EMERGENCY PAPER BALLOT LEGISLATION IN SENATE!
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3531
By the weay, just to be clear: I don’t want a job in politics, and would not accept one ever if I were offered one. This is my sole political gig. Just in case my comment above is misconstrued.
This isn’t meant as criticism, but I’m not sure one can really say “not to compromise on torture” when you also say — as many opinion leaders on the progressive blogosphere have been saying for days — that the Democrats will lose nothing by ignoring our passionately held views on this (i.e. we’re mad, but we’ll work just as hard to get you majority status).
these posts form a pattern …
a straight line …
to you.
there is great hope:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/9/27/117/73550
there is great peril:
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot…..serve.html
we are called to action:
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..#more-4685
Our heroes are those who answer the call of duty to our nation with the risk and sacrifice of their lives. We Must honor them by joining their cause. Every one of them has sworn the Oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America against its enemies.
This our turn.
Defeat Republicans.
Follow Pachacutec’s charge.
Pay our debt to our heroes.
Why are we in Iraq, Dubya said, “he tried to kill my dad” (Some one will have to research the date.) It has been in TV news a couple of times.
In an interviewed I had with Chip Carter, he repeated this in a reference to Dubya