
From Maj. Gen. John Batiste (Ret.):
In testimony before the Democratic Policy Committee today, retired Maj. Gen. John R.S. Batiste, who commanded the 1st Infantry Division in Iraq in 2004 and 2005 and served as a senior military assistant to former deputy defense secretary Paul Wolfowitz, charged that Rumsfeld and others in the Bush administration "did not tell the American people the truth for fear of losing support for the war in Iraq."
He told the committee, "If we had seriously laid out and considered the full range of requirements for the war in Iraq, we would likely have taken a different course of action that would have maintained a clear focus on our main effort in Afghanistan, not fueled Islamic fundamentalism across the globe, and not created more enemies than there were insurgents." (emphasis mine)
From Sen. Harry Reid:
Reid replied in a statement, "When the U.S. intelligence community confirmed that America is losing the war on terror because of Bush failures in Iraq, this White House lost all credibility on matters of national security. With Iraq in a civil war, Afghanistan moving backwards and our own borders unsecured, it’s clear George Bush and Dick Cheney are desperate to hide their record and distort the truth."
From Taliban Commander Muhammid Sabir (in Newsweek):
"One year ago we couldn’t have had such a meeting at midnight," says Sabir, who is in his mid-40s and looks forward to living out his life as an anti-American jihadist. "Now we gather in broad daylight. The people know we are returning to power." (emphasis mine)
From Rear Adm. John Hutson (Ret.):
John D. Hutson, a retired rear admiral and the former top uniformed lawyer for the Navy, argued that a habeas right was fundamental to American law and identity. “Without these kinds of [habeas] protections, we’re just another banana republic,” Admiral Hutson said.
From Marty Lederman at Balkinization:
Perhaps most alarmingly, the new version contains a much broader definition of "unlawful enemy combatant." The "compromise" bill from last week defined "unlawful enemy combatant" as "an individual engaged in hostilities against the United States who is not a law enemy combatant." The new bill would expand the definition to cover:
(i) a person who has engaged in hostilities or who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its co-belligerents who is not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who is part of the Taliban, al Qaeda, or associated forces); or (ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense.Thus, if a person purposefully and materially supports hostilities, he will be an unlawful combatant, even if he never engages in any hostilities himself. [NOTE: At least one of the Administration's supporters believes that the mere filing of a habeas petition is a form of "aggression against the United States." Presumably that is not the intent of the drafters, or else all those attorneys now representing military detainees would become "unlawful enemy combatants"!]
The second subsection is, perhaps, even more alarming: It appears to suggest that even if a detainee does has not engaged in hostilities or supported hostilities, he will be deemed an unlawful combatant if the Department of Defense has said so! This seems fairly absurd on the face of it. Indeed, it suggests that this definition as a whole should not be read (as some had feared it might be) to suggest statutory authorization to detain all "unlawful enemy combatants" so defined. (The bill does not expressly indicate that all persons defined here as "unlawful enemy combatants" may be militarily detained.) Otherwise, DoD’s determination of status based on whatever standard it wished to apply would be determinative of the Executive’s authority to detain. Even for these drafters, that sort of extreme carte blanche to the President to detain whoever he sees fit, without any statutory limit at all, seems highly unlikely. (emphasis mine)
From TBogg:
In America they torture people, including their own, in secret prisons.
From the WaPo:
According to officials familiar with the classified report interviewed by The Washington Post over the weekend, the study found that rather than contributing to eventual victory in the international counterterrorism struggle, the war in Iraq has worsened the U.S. position. Many experts on terrorism regard that finding as unexceptional — indeed the CIA predicted it before the Iraq invasion — but it runs counter to the argument presented by the president and his senior advisers.Bush has repeatedly claimed that he attacked Iraq to defeat terrorists, accused Hussein of sponsoring terrorists and, as he put it in a speech last month to the American Legion, considers the world "better off" with "the tyrant gone from power" in Baghdad. He has described Iraq as the "central front" in the war against terrorists, noting frequently how Osama bin Laden has urged his followers to go to Iraq to fight the Americans.
In a recent round of speeches on terrorism tied to the fifth anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, Bush did not directly address the issue of whether the war in Iraq has spawned a surge in Islamic radicalism and terrorism. (emphasis mine)
From GOP pollster Tony Fabrizio:
One prominent GOP pollster said the new disclosures could put at risk any gains the White House may have made in recent weeks tying the war in Iraq to a broader war on terrorism. "Anything that undermines the connection between the war on terrorism and the war in Iraq is not helpful to us," said pollster Tony Fabrizio. "If nothing else, it puts the president on the defensive." (emphasis mine)
Oh yeah, mission accomplished on that one. Shorter Fabrizio: "as Republicans, we knowingly lie to you, by omission and comission, for public relations purposes for the President of the United States and maintaining power for our party."
Now, go and read this article in the Boston Globe, but not before you take your blood pressure medication.
This week’s congressional debate over torture policy will be an important benchmark in the war on terrorism. But because of the Bush administration’s restrictive policy on sharing classified information with Congress, very few of the people engaged in the debate will know what they’re talking about.
This doesn’t seem to bother President Bush. While the administration contends that limiting the number of people being briefed is necessary to reduce chances of a leak, it also suits his administration’s political aims.
The administration has tried to occupy as much of the fall campaign season as possible with discussion of terrorism — the Republican Party’s strongest issue — as opposed to the Iraq war, which has become a potent Democratic Party issue. But while it dominates the national stage with tough talk about terrorism, the administration doesn’t want actual scrutiny of its interrogation practices.
After all, even one concrete example could change the tenor of the debate. Every American has his or her own line to draw on what constitutes inhuman treatment: Simulated drowning? Threats of rape of a suspect’s loved ones? Electric shock?
In addition, specialists in interrogation would be able to weigh in on which techniques are effective, and which are merely brutal, leading to false confessions.
But with no actual practices to discuss, any opposition will be greatly muted. Arguing that a certain practice is torturous or ineffective doesn’t really provoke much outrage if no one can say whether the practice is for real. And opponents will naturally be wary of drawing too many dire hypotheticals, for fear of appearing to malign the CIA. It would be like raising the possibility of grotesque torture by the US Army before Abu Ghraib: Patriotic Americans don’t want to think ill of their protectors….
The Republican-controlled Congress has had five years to stand up for the American public and to put the Constitution and their responsibilities for oversight above their allegiance to party power and politics. They have not done so, and they should not be trusted any further to do so in the future. That the Bush Administration can get away with playing politics with a National Intelligence Estimate by restricting access to it at a time when Senators and Congresspeople should be well informed before casting a vote is unconscionable. But the GOP-controlled Congress will not force the issue, and the Democrats do not have numbers sufficient to force the issue at this point either.
To get accountability, to get hearings and oversight, the Democrats need to take one or both houses of Congress in November — it is that simple. If you have had enough, then let’s all find a way to get up off our butts and get to work. The thing that we can do to save our Republic is to put our efforts into electing Democrats. Had enough? I know that I sure as hell have.
Work on a local Democrat’s campaign, contact your local Dems, work a phone bank, canvass your neighborhood — whatever it takes. And share suggestions with the rest of us on what is working in your neck of the woods.
10:58 am ET: Steve Clemons reports that the Bolton nomination is all but dead.
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Yeah!
Accountability begins with control of the House.
Go Shuler NC-11!
Condi lies! Water is wet!
tfitznc @ 1
how’s he doing in the polls?
Moveon makes it so easy to do something – host a party, phonebank, etc.
http://www.moveon.org/
and another – Progressive Democrats for America:
http://capwiz.com/pdamerica/home/
Go Dog Go !
lina @ 2
From TPM:
Race Pollster Released Candidates
NC-11 Constituent Dyn. Sept 6 Shuler (D) 50%, Taylor (R) 47%
NC-11 OnPoint Aug 21 Shuler (D) 48%, Taylor (R) 43%
NC-11 Public Policy Polling
Current dust-up over taxes not paid at Schuler’s (former) real estate business. With excellent GOTV in Buncombe County (a liberal bastion in a sea of red), we may do it this time!
Larry Johnson’s post on the whole Clinton/fox/olbermann story got me wondering …….. So I’ve put in emails to C-Span, Josh, and Olbermann asking if there are archived clips at C-SPAN of the senate speeches after CNN ran that Black Hawk Down footage over and over . Is there tape of John Ashcroft etal. Calling for troop withdrawal from Mogadishu ? and if so. how to get it to U TUBE .
Okay gang — everyone refresh your browser — there’s an update you are going to want to see. *g*
o/t
We’re Number Six ! We’re Number Six !
heckuva . . . never mind
http://rawstory.com/showarticl…..VENESS.xml
Accountability knocks at George Allen’s(may he rot in hell)door. Funny story at Raw about small business hearing changed because “Sen Allen is Jewish”. To use an old redneck saying; “that ole’ boy don’t know whether to shit or go blind”. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving piece of human excrement. And the story of the deer head in the mail box…OK I’ll stop
A question to the wise here…
As I have the privelege of living in a Blue state with wholly unendangered Blue reps, I can travel on Election Day to another locale. In particular, either Connecticut (for Lamont) or Rhode Island (for Whitehouse over Chafee). Which seems more important?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 7
Christy,
One less school-yard bully/Bush frat boy!!
Well, he’s a relatively young man. Still time for intimidation of underlings, sexual harrassment, drunk driving, and . . . of course there’s always time for the old standby – firecrackers and frogs!
tfitznc @ 5
Good Luck!
Bolton nomination dead? but..but..but..St John and Schumer think he’s great.
I want to get back to Harry’s post in the last thread, as it has me really fired up.
I think Harry is right on here. Think about the amount of truth Clinton was able to get out there and how long it would have taken without this apearance.
He also showed the world what we’ve been trying to convey: We’re mad as hell and were not gonna take it anymore. And for dessert he smacked the FUX people silly.
I’d love to think that the Dems or even Clinton himself thought all of this up. Stroke of Genius indeed. But however it came to be, it was huge.
Professor Foland @ 10
Go to Virginia and put Jim Webb in George Allen’s seat !!!
More from Afghanistan here from the NYTimes.
From Steve Clemons:
When I read this, it sounded just like the staffing of the Coalition Provisional Authority by rightwingers chosen for their political views and not the particular talents their specific jobs would require. Here’s yet another case of someone whose talents are a complete mismatch for their job.
I don’t know what Steve had in mind for Bolton in terms of a new job in the Bush administration, but I can think of a couple . . .
IED removal in Iraq . . .
Katrina debris removal in New Orleans’ Lower 9th Ward . . .
Good news about Bolton.
I’ll be surprised if they get anything passed this week.
Christy Hardin Smith @
7
Oh, man, you just made my day. Yeah, snoopy. How many, many moments have we felt the ugliness that is The Mustache? The bullying and taunting that took its signal from W? What Peterr said.
Big sigh.
Bolton’s reign really is extremely dead?
Ha ha. Back to pitching Quaker Oats with you!!!!!!
(with apologies to Wilford Brimley)
sorry, linky upthread doesn’t work -
Per World Economic Forum
US has slipped from Number 1 to Number 6 in Global Competitiveness -
having trouble making it work – it’s over at Raw Story, right under Bolton headline (Snoopy dance in Central TX !)in case you wish to read article
You’re shitting me about this Bolton thing, aren’t you? Can it be true? Are we sure Chimpy won’t try to shove him in through the back door again like some kind of human suppository?
The bad news about Bolton is that there is no limit to the number of recess appointments a person may have. It’s like “The Night of the Living Dead”.
isn’t a little less than four years (not five)? D senate majority (barely) through 2002? or has my memory complete gone?
Trex at 22 — the only remaining option looks like another recess appointment — but it would be for an unpaid position, because the regs don’t allow for a salary if you get a second appointment via recess. There are a number of folks in Congress who have apparently signaled that his nomination is toast — but nothing is ever completely certain until it’s withdrawn officially or someone else is appointed. But this is a HUGE step, cancelling the hearing today. HUGE.
Steve @ 23
I was just about to ask about that. If you remember, the Bolton nomination died last time too. A lot of good that did.
Steve @ 23
I don’t think that’s true. It seems like I heard on the BBC that he can only serve something like 90 days on a second recess appointment.
What I read somewhere on the web was that Bush was going to put Bolton into a lower eschelon job at the UN (one that doesn’t need approval) then name him ambassador at large.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 25
Ah, that’s right. No salary. Well, I’m sure there will be no shortage of wingnut welfare checks in his mailbox. He’ll probably get a book deal for five and a half million dollars or something.
It’s hemorrhaging walrus-moustached men–Hallelujah!
If he can be made “Acting Ambassador” he’ll still be sitting in the catbird seat, even if he never made it through confirmation, so his toxic presence can – and probably will – continue.
Don’t mean to rain on anyone’s parade, but this kind of victory rings kind of hollow.
But I don’t understand why you would place a person as an ambassador to the UN if they don’t believe the UN should exist. That would be like putting people who don’t believe in public education in charge of public education, or people who don’t believe in government in charge of the government…Oh, wait…nevermind.
More happy dance stuff, from the Anchorage Daily News . . .
To remind folks, the FBI raided several AK state legislator’s offices on August 31, looking for evidence of a bribery scheme. Ben Stevens appears to be at the center of things. No doubt Ed*ard Teller will be watching for more.
Steve @
9
the cancellation is for Yom Kippur, and I would say Senator Macaca has a whole lot of atoning to do.
yessiree, bubba.
TRex @ 29
it would be a good use of taxpayer money, imo, just to get him somewhere safe where he can’t do so much damage.
gotta take every opportunity to do the snoopy happy dance (and aren’t you glad you don’t have to watch me!)
Look, the fact that Bolton couldn’t make it through the confirmation process — twice — in a GOP-controlled Congress is really a HUGE deal. Completely undercuts his credibility in so many ways — we all know that Bush is stubborn and not prone to listening to criticism, but when you add in the fact that Condi Rice is said to loathe Bolton, I really think this may be a moment of toast for Cheney’s State Department boy. (Or at least one of them, anyway…) I’m not counting chickens just yet, but it’s a big, big step forward on this.
Holy crap, Peterr at 33 — that’s some serious business. Wonder from whom they got the signed statement — does the article say?
ecb @ 32
Or how about-
people who claim to want to spread ‘democracy in the Middle East’ while undermining it at home??
TRex @ 22
Maybe he will–but tell me, if you were any one of the legitimate national ambassadors at the UN, would you be paying him any attention at that point?
Bush can throw Bolton back in, but only at a measurable loss in prestige and credibility.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
From the article:
Is this why attorneys always tell their clients to say nothing to the media?
I didn’t know that there was bad blood between Condi and Bolton. Hardly surprising though. I can’t imagine that he is particularly amiable to the concept of women with power.
ot, but not really
I’ve referanced page 128 of the 9/11 report a number of times but never gave a cut and paste
this is important stuff;
few people know clinton was given an almost identical pdb as the one Bush recieved regarding the attack…clinton averted the impending doom, bush stood down
think progress has a very nice write up about that
The same day, [Counterterrorism Czar Richard] Clarke convened a meeting of his CSG [Counterterrorism Security Group] to discuss both the hijacking concern and the antiaircraft missile threat. To address the hijacking warning, the group agreed that New York airports should go to maximum security starting that weekend. They agreed to boost security at other East coast airports. The CIA agreed to distribute versions of the report to the FBI and FAA to pass to the New York Police Department and the airlines. The FAA issued a security directive on December 8, with specific requirements for more intensive air carrier screening of passengers and more oversight of the screening process, at all three New York area airports. [pg. 128-30]
On August 6, 2001, the Bush administration received a President’s Daily Brief entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike U.S.” Here’s how the Bush administration reacted, according to the 9/11 Commission report:
[President Bush] did not recall discussing the August 6 report with the Attorney General or whether Rice had done so.[p. 260]
We have found no indication of any further discussion before September 11 among the President and his top advisers of the possibility of a threat of an al Qaeda attack in the United States. DCI Tenet visited President Bush in Crawford, Texas, on August 17 and participated in the PDB briefings of the President between August 31 (after the President had returned to Washington) and September 10. But Tenet does not recall any discussions with the President of the domestic threat during this period. [p. 262]
Rice acknowledged that the 9/11 Commission report is the authoratative source on this debate: “I think this is not a very fruitful discussion. We’ve been through it. The 9/11 commission has turned over every rock and we know exactly what they said.”
tfitznc @ 38
similar to destroying our freedoms to preserve our freedoms
Christy Hardin Smith @ 36
you’re absolutely right, of course. it’s not just good ‘cuz it gets bolton out of the UN… it also shows that there is some real (vs the kabuki kind) of push back going on behind the scenes! yeah!
EvilDrPuma @ 39
Like we could lose any more at this point?
TRex @ 45
Good point…well, I do have daydreams of the UN revising its rules so it can impeach a permanent Security Council member. Fat chance, I know. But what good will it be to have an acting ambassador for the World’s Last Superpower if the rest of the General Assembly decides they can just ignore him altogether? I’d call that a loss.
My bet.. Bolton will be back at the UN..It’s the Kings will and as Chuck Schumer said “Bolton is good for Israel”. I hope I’am wrong.
well this is good news and worthy of a snoopy dance. I cannot abide that crass and boorish neocon. Ah, it is nice that the UN chambers will be free of his sulfurous odour and words as well!
Can you imagine the glee with which other member states are receiving this news? A new chance for diplomacy! hip, hip, hurrah! I may not like whoever else is made ambassador, but this surely tells the world that the things that this administration does are not ok with all of the American people. yay for us.
Bolton at large? OMG, now that is a scary thought.
The worst thing about Bolton for me is his voice. And his tone of permanent moral superiority. He is aiding and abetting some of the dirtiest dealers on the planet and yet he clearly seems to believe that he is the terrible swift sword of God. It makes me sick.
He’s freaking delusional.
A bit more on AK:
I’ll bet Ted does have a comment or two for young Ben – although he might not make them over the telephone, for fear of FBI wiretaps . . .
TRex @ 50
I’m amazed that you can pick a worst thing out of the apparently endless list of contenders.
TRex @
22
TRex,
Bolton already received the human suppository treatment. Bush will need to felch him out first before he can spit him in somewhere else.
slainte
cl
OT – Not really. Huffington has up that the Casey lead over Sanitorium (:-}) in Pa has doubled.
A little internal feud? Ah, yes. American politics at its finest. What a bunch of corrupt frauds.
And Condi may have to go on another national rehabilitation tour after her snippy Clinton remarks. Maybe try Charles Gibson this time. History is not on your side, Condi.
TRex.. 601 comments at Late Nite..Holyee shit
Accountability for the fuck ups of this misadministration is way past due. Hmm, that statement is so under it must have an address in China.
They’re trotting out Ms Rice in an attempt to rebut Clinton’s shot at Bush about the inaction pre twin towers.
Always a good read, Barbara at mahablog really pulls together a refutation that leaves Condi’s arguments not just gasping like a stranded fish at low tide, but stinking like a fish so long dead that my dog would refuse to roll in it.
Caoimhin Laochdha @ 52
Oh, God, like TRex’s mental image wasn’t bad enough. Next time somebody posts something like this, I’m going to reach through the tubes and dope-slap ‘em.
TRex @ 22
THAT has to be the funniest thing I’ve heard in a long time. A true 707
Like I said, I don’t mean to rain on anyone’s parade, but when is the last time Bush did anything that he thought would signal his own weakness? Ever? So Condi loathes Bolton – we ALL loathe Bolton. The international community loathes Bolton. But there he sits, Ambassador to the UN, with the emphasis on the “ass” in “Ambassador.”
And when is the last time Bush let Congress stand in the way of doing whatever it was he wanted to do? Ever? Has he ever taken a “no” from Congress or the courts or the American people as the last word?
What gets me going, I guess, is that if the Congress had been doing its job these last 6 years, we would not find it remarkable and noteworthy that a committee had voted on the merits of a nominee instead of the color of his or her political stripes.
oh pooh– bush lauding the progress in Afghanistan on cnn with karzai.
Christy – refresh for a moderated comment re Stevens and Stevens @ 8:36
I pray that this whole lousy thing in AK goes kaboom in the corrupt rethuglican faces.
angie @ 60
Prebuttal from Muhammid Sabir: see Christy’s link.
angie @ 62
With any luck, during the second half of October.
Everything that the generals testified to has already been reported years ago by either Seymour Hersh of The New Yorker or by the writers at The Nation.
Humming a tune from the Wizard of Oz…”and it’s not only REALLY dead, it’s really most sincerely dead!”
angie @ 60 – It shows how much the Clinton interview is getting under the Bushies skin – esp as relates to his doing zilch on Afghanistan.
And WOW – Raw is announcing it will post the Clinton docs that were handed over to Bush on OBL. They apparently show Condor is lieing on this.
Anne @
60
Or that we might throw the bum out because he is a disgrace to the concept and urgency of diplomacy, not because he puts Condi’s shorts in a bunch.
Jill at 66 — yes, true — and we’ve discussed it. But that doesn’t mean that it isn’t not only worth repeating, but shouted from the rooftops. The more people saying it, the better.
EvilDrPuma : I read it with dismay and disgust. boosh just said that “where the road ends, the taliban begins…”
heckuva job bushie and musharraf.
Booosh: I read the key judgements on the NIE (whoopee) He is not suprised. Some have guessed what’s in the report, and say it was a mistake to go into Iraq, I disagree and think they are wrong. He is pissy and so desperate.
lordy.
Jill @ 65
Fair enough. Some people weren’t listening, though. Time to tell ‘em again.
Accountability Knocks..Raw to post Clinton admin. docs. to show Rice was lying.
I’m sorry you guys, I tried to watch the Presidential presser with Karzai, but I just cannot force myself to do it today. Is anyone else watching that can liveblog it? Blergh…sorry, just can’t stomach the platitudes today.
Even if Bolton shows up again in another capacity, he will be greatly diminished.
Hopefully the entire FUBAR administration will be greatly diminished soon.
angie @ 70
Isn’t he always? And tell me, what good is it preparing the damned report of Bush is going to restrict access and (as usual) only read the fucking bullet points?
Guck Beorge Fush.
Jill @ 66
Jill, I don’t mean to pile on, but listening to the testimony yesterday was chilling. Perhaps part of what continues to make it newsworthy is the fact that still NOTHING has been done to respond to these longstanding criticisms and cries for help. Bone chilling.
Bush: The evidence on the conclusions reached in the NIE were stopped being gathered at the end of feb. Now it is campaign season and it is on the front page of your newspaper, idn’t that funny? Somebody leaked this classified doc and it is election season. I told the DNI to declassify (the key judgements) in it this morning. You can make up your own mind and the people won’t be confused this election season.
selise @ 44
I fear that Bush will do another recess appointment without the “authorized” pay and the rethugs will find another cash stream to “compensate” Mr. Bolton…they have done worse.
Also Raw has up that Lott is threatening the Dems to stop it with the Iraq war hearings. Under their skin much?! Here as with Clinton’s angry take down of Wallace (who looks to me a bit like a tapir) the key element is: TRUTH TO POWER, over and over, over and over….
This is great news about Bolton. The fall of the Rovian empire continues.
FWIW, I can’t access the Late Night comments. Is anyone else having this problem? Did we overload the comments?
CHS; might this also explain why HSaT couldn’t access the Sorrow thread?
karzai is saying that they (the Afghans) are desperately trying to get rid of the extremists and trying to rebuild after decades of war. Brings up madrassahs and says he knows where the extremists are coming from…
(in response to question re Musharraf’s remarks about him having to get to know his own country better)
Steve @
47
And for that we should make the United States a laughing stock?
RBG at 81 — I don’t know — I think it may have something to do with the size of the file once it gets to so many comments. But I haven’t had a chance to check with Jamie yet. I’ll let everyone know when I can get an answer. (Having the in-laws here for a visit messes with my working habits…*g*)
Very good news to finally see more of the truth coming out from more sources — and to finally (hopefully) have an end to Bolton (all the more so after McCain was reported recently to be calling for his confirmation!).
In less happy news, TPM now has a piece up linking to a CQ article in which Democrats confirm (it appears) total capitulation on both torture and NSA, notwithstanding the (further) alarming revelations on both issues called out above. I know many thought this inevitable, but I was one of those making the calls and holding out hope there was some behind the scenes cleverness aimed at keeping our country in the ranks (at least in terms of written law) of those who don’t torture and respect established rights of privacy (and who have legal mechanisms that can be used to protect us when the law is violated). Apparently not.
OT, but not really, since the subject is Bolton, Rude Pundit rocks on Evil and the American Identity:
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
meta @ 55
There’s a diary at kos that talks about Condi’s run to the NY Post – the perfect mouthpiece because they won’t fact check her lies.
So I guess we shouldn’t expect her to be on TV “rebutting” Bill anytime soon unless she can be sure of the same cooperation the Post gave her (just steonography – no questions) – probably Fox.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/26/82241/8981
drinksforall @ 79
Perhaps, but if such “compensation” was made while Bolton was at the UN, it would have to be reported as a gift and might easily be seen as illegal (i.e., you can’t accept personal gifts over a certain value as a public official). Of course, if there was an understanding that such compensation would be provided after Mr. Bolton leaves public service . . .
karzai: people destroyed their own pomegranete orchards in order to plant poppy b/c of the desperation and the war.
Question about no meeting for 8 mos on AQ– Bush giggles dismissively, drops his voice and says we are protecting you all and we are on the offense. Brings up the legislation to wiretap. He ain’t gonna respond to these ‘comments’. now starting to get loud and preach how much he is protecting us. I don’t have time for finger pointing. History will judge all that.
The peanut must be in heaven!
lina @ 86
Nicely said.
There he goes again….
My job is to keep us from being attacked again.
There are some that say that’s not gonna happen
lawsinger @ 85
Do you think it’s total capitulation or could it be possible they’re simply letting the clock run out on this session of Congress? All bills die when they adjourn at the end of the week. Come January, with a majority in the House and the Senate (praise be to God, Allah, Vishnu, and anyone else), then a new day dawns.
angie @ 89
He didn’t even bother to bullshit.
Cozumel @ 92
Now, see, that’s not what I remember the oath saying his job is.
2nd time he brings up the brits with our help disrupted that terra plot.
Bush: it’ll be inneresting to see the body language of these 2 to see how tense things are tomorrow at dinner.
(give me a break– like he is observant about anything)
(he must be hungry, 3rd time he’s talking about dinner, wonder if he and Laura will be serving roasted pig to their guests…)
end.
bush tells karzai, well done! (what a pompous ass)
Raw Story getting ready to post docs about al Qaeda that were given to Bush by Clinton’s team.
Up yours Condi!
I think that perhaps the USA should build a special prison for Republican politicos. Ambramoff, Ney, Cunningham, Delay, Ted Stevens and family, Libby, etc. Perhaps they could be retrained as assembly line workers in a clothing factory on some Pacific Island or coal miners is some place where safety is protected by the legislation they produced.
The problem is that I have yet to see anything much indicating any kind of competence or moral conviction from Democrats that would lead me to believe there will be some kind of accountability moment or worthwhile activity.
The triangulation for 2008 will already be in motion.
Here in So In, it’s a matter of electing an anti-choice, anti-gay, pro-war Democrat. That’s to help make sure that Pelosi gets pick for speaker. Pelosi who can’t form a coherent sentence on torture, with Arar and el-Masri and the bulk of Americans polling against torture even FOR terrorists, much less the ever incompetent bungling of the vindictive vice that has become the hallmark of governement and Justice in the Bush administration.
The its not that there are “no” Dems with spines, but none of them are allowed a leadership position and they are outnumbered by the conservatives with spine showing up – the Feins, the Phillips, the Generals; even Pat Buchanon and George Will and Bill Buckley have more shreds of decency left to cover themselves with than the so-called leaders of the party. I’m beyond disgusted. Even staffers in McConnells office, with me so angry I ended up having to apologize for being hateful with the poor kid that was forced to talk with me, were polite and responsive – Reid’s were dismissive even before they knew I wasn’t a constituent and was calling because he’s the leader of my party in the Senate on the most important legislation for America’s character that I can remember.
In any event, Lederman’s piece that you have goes to a part of what has me so concerned about the overall approach and it is staying out of focus and under the radar. This legislation takes things that have NEVER EVER EVER been military crimes and uses them to create an “illegal combatant” status.
Aside and apart from the fact that, with no habeas there is no way for someone who doesn’t meet the definition, even in its most broad sense, to ever secure release (so does a definition even matter?), the whole thing is a monstrous Frankenstein mix of civilian criminal law dna, military law dna, no law dna, sovereign’s word is law dna, and “make it up as we go along” dna.
Even in the hands of the most puritanical and pure, it is a freaking disaster. Add in secret evidence used to either justify lifetime detention with no habeas, and that is not actually prohibited anyway under the compromise for trials – just a layer of words added that says someone has to think it is a good idea, torture testimony etc. – - Six degrees of separation. How long before you can get almost anyone’s name to come up?
So when Lederman says:
That endnote is not really all that tongue in cheek. I raised before the example before of someone accused of money laundering. This means they can be kidnapped from wherever, including the US, they and even their families can be carted off, held for a lifetime and without even more and more substantial overhaul of the UCMJ, there is no “military” crime that they have committed to ever be charged with; and if you suddenly move all civilian criminal charges into the military justice system, but only on a President picks who goes where” ad hoc basis, you have started the acid drips that will eat away the fabric of the law.
I’m supposed to say: Oh, but it’s ok, the Dem will make it all better when they get in? Except, of course, they’ll already be running for 08 and worried to say anything that will look “soft” – you know, not liking torture.
I have just about no faith left in any of them and no faith left the premium on idiocy an incompetency isn’t shared equally by the Democratic leadership with the Republicans.
And with their idiocy, they leave other countries not much choice but to begin their own responses. They are now reporting that a prosecutor in Germany may bring charges in the el-Masri case. If Arar gets not relieve here in our system of justice for the conspiracy to solict his torture from Syria, drug him, cut off his clothes, ship him though channels to be covertly tortured and share in the questioning and information process, then the conspiracy to cover it all up and probably directly participate in the character assasination and attempts to vilify and discredit that took place after his release and during his suit here — it’s hard to see how a country that values its citizens (unlike this country and it’s Justice Department) doesn’t, at some point, start some kind of action.
I swear I think the only amoral incompetents not employed by the Bush administration are in leadership positions with the Democratic party.
TRex @ 22
Oh, ouch, TRex! What an image!! Huge kudos to you for getting “quote of the week” on Kos’ Cheers and Jeers today. {polite golf claps}
Bush may want to read his Bible a bit more before spouting off about leakers in hugely stereotyped ways.
Paraphrasing Jesus’ words in the gospel of Matthew, chapter 18: If someone sins against you, go to that person privately and tell them, trying to win the one back. If he refuses to listen to you, go again and bring along a friend or two, so that you and your friends can be witnesses to the truth and try to win the person back. If he still refuses to listen, tell it to the church, so that everyone can witness to the truth and try to win the person back.
It seems to me that someone highly placed in the intelligence community is tired of being used and abused. They’ve tried to go through channels, again and again, with no success. After hearing Bush spouting off again on the campaign trail about how well things are going in Iraq, someone “told it to the church” by leaking the NIE from last April.
Try reading your Bible, Mr. Bush – that might explain this leak more clearly. You’re being held accountable by your own intelligence community.
Yesterday CNN’s Dana Bash bashed–in the right-wing style–the hearing the Democrats had with the generals. “Political, political, political.” We don’t hear that when the Republicans are front and center on CNN, as they usually are. Journalists should be innoculated with truth serum before they infect the universe.
lina @ 92
now THAT would be GOTV ammo i could use!!!!
Democrats capitulate on toture bill:
See http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001601.php
Twisted Martini #97 — HOLY CRAP!!!
We are officially AT WAR, FirePups, the Howitzers have been pulled out, oiled up, primed and awaiting discharge.
It’s full-on nuclear winter. Any time now Richard Clarke is going to drop an immense shoe. And I’ll bet in all of the hubbub that’s about to blowup like long dormant and hidden charges at the base of the facade that is the Bush administration, they are going to trip the f*ck up and spill about Valerie’s outing.
We’ve only just begun to fight, and we’ve got weapons you thought we’d abandoned or were never going to use. Bring it on, Bushies.
TPMMuckraker’s Justin Rood is reporting that Jane Harman is calling for the declassification of another NIE-type report on the broader situation in Iraq:
At least, that’s according to Rep. Jane Harman, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee. At an event this morning, Harman disclosed the existence of a classified intelligence community report that gives a grim assessment of the situation in Iraq, and called for it to be shared with the American public — before the November elections.
The report has not been shared with Congress, although sources say a draft version may have circulated earlier this summer. It is a separate report from the one revealed by major news outlets Sunday, which is said to conclude that the war in Iraq has made the U.S. less secure from terrorist threats.
“This morning at the National Press Club, Jane Harman did say that there is an [National Intelligence Estimate] on Iraq,” her spokesman, Ari Goldberg, confirmed. “Apparently, it’s quite grim,” he said.
The hits keep on coming . . .
[Harman and others on the intelligence committee have a tough line to follow. If they’ve seen something, they can’t easily comment - but it sounds here like Jane has only heard about the existence of the report and not seen it herself, so it’s easier to comment and call for its release without violating classification rules.]
The problem is that I have yet to see anything much indicating any kind of competence or moral conviction from Democrats that would lead me to believe there will be some kind of accountability moment or worthwhile activity.
The triangulation for 2008 will already be in motion.
Here in So In, it’s a matter of electing an anti-choice, anti-gay, pro-war Democrat. That’s to help make sure that Pelosi gets pick for speaker. Pelosi who can’t form a coherent sentence on torture, with Arar and el-Masri and the bulk of Americans polling against torture even FOR terrorists, much less the ever incompetent bungling of the vindictive vice that has become the hallmark of governement and Justice in the Bush administration.
The its not that there are “no” Dems with spines, but none of them are allowed a leadership position and they are outnumbered by the conservatives with spine showing up – the Feins, the Phillips, the Generals; even Pat Buchanon and George Will and Bill Buckley have more shreds of decency left to cover themselves with than the so-called leaders of the party. I’m beyond disgusted. Even staffers in McConnells office, with me so angry I ended up having to apologize for being hateful with the poor kid that was forced to talk with me, were polite and responsive – Reid’s were dismissive even before they knew I wasn’t a constituent and was calling because he’s the leader of my party in the Senate on the most important legislation for America’s character that I can remember.
In any event, Lederman’s piece that you have goes to a part of what has me so concerned about the overall approach and it is staying out of focus and under the radar. This legislation takes things that have NEVER EVER EVER been military crimes and uses them to create an “illegal combatant” status.
Aside and apart from the fact that, with no habeas there is no way for someone who doesn’t meet the definition, even in its most broad sense, to ever secure release (so does a definition even matter?), the whole thing is a monstrous Frankenstein mix of civilian criminal law dna, military law dna, no law dna, sovereign’s word is law dna, and “make it up as we go along” dna.
Even in the hands of the most puritanical and pure, it is a freaking disaster. Add in secret evidence used to either justify lifetime detention with no habeas, and that is not actually prohibited anyway under the compromise for trials – just a layer of words added that says someone has to think it is a good idea, torture testimony etc. – - Six degrees of separation. How long before you can get almost anyone’s name to come up?
So when Lederman says:
That endnote is not really all that tongue in cheek. I raised before the example before of someone accused of money laundering. This means they can be kidnapped from wherever, including the US, they and even their families can be carted off, held for a lifetime and without even more and more substantial overhaul of the UCMJ, there is no “military” crime that they have committed to ever be charged with; and if you suddenly move all civilian criminal charges into the military justice system, but only on a President picks who goes where” ad hoc basis, you have started the acid drips that will eat away the fabric of the law.
I’m supposed to say: Oh, but it’s ok, the Dem will make it all better when they get in? Except, of course, they’ll already be running for 08 and worried to say anything that will look “soft” – you know, not liking torture.
I have just about no faith left in any of them and no faith left the premium on idiocy an incompetency isn’t shared equally by the Democratic leadership with the Republicans.
And with their idiocy, they leave other countries not much choice but to begin their own responses. They are now reporting that a prosecutor in Germany may bring charges in the el-Masri case. If Arar gets not relieve here in our system of justice for the conspiracy to solict his torture from Syria, drug him, cut off his clothes, ship him though channels to be covertly tortured and share in the questioning and information process, then the conspiracy to cover it all up and probably directly participate in the character assasination and attempts to vilify and discredit that took place after his release and during his suit here — it’s hard to see how a country that values its citizens (unlike this country and it’s Justice Department) doesn’t, at some point, start some kind of action.
I swear I think the only amoral incompetents not employed by the Bush administration are in leadership positions with the Democratic party. .
As a postscript –not only did KO go over Bush, but Eaton pretty much said he thought Pace and Myers were both derelict in the duties under the Goldwater-Nichols act to serve as a direct voice to and advice for the President, outside the Sec Of Def. How you have charges contemplated against agents in Germany, warrants out in Italy, Canada having a huge investigation, and a retired General alleging what Eaton and Batiste have alleged and almost no press.
Amazing.
Mary @ 99
Right, and sadly the unstated issue that is framing alot of this Iraq/Iran war policy discussion in both parties is Israel, and the underlying assumption by many politico leaders that Bush is “owed” our support even (especially) when he crosses the line because of his very interactionism in the Middle East.
Sally @ 102
Maybe it was political…but so what? One can be right and political just as one can be wrong and political. Bush and his cronies are persistently, unrepentantly, and abusively wrong and they are persistently, unrepentantly, and abusively political. Why don’t we see any of CNN’s talking heads talking about that?
Mary did you mean to post that comment twice? (I also see it at 99…) Just checking, because I had a repeat comment show up this morning and that may indicate a hiccup.
Jill @ 66
That is certainly true, and I read those articles. But there is a big difference between Hersh saying “my sources report” (even for those of us who know his sources are impeccable) and a general sitting at a hearing and saying it for the record. It sucks that we have to go through all of this again and again when we already know it, but it’s not about convincing us, it’s about convincing everyone else.
CHS; no rush, but when you get a moment, please check your AOL In-Box.
Every time Chimp does a presser or a lecture, he just drives home the point that he is a sociopath. He doesn’t listen to the citizens of this country, doesn’t read the news, doesn’t listen to his experts in any given field, he could care less about our system of checks and balances, obviously doesn’t believe in the separation of church and state, or rule of law, doesn’t care about our two-party system of government, is completely incapable of empathy, and is not accountable for any of his actions.
He is a sociopath sitting on a throne in the United States of America.
Legal Eagles…
How can we know the current status of the Bush Torture Indemnity bills currently in play? When proffered Friday, 3 salient odious provisions glared out amid all the blabbity-blab fine-print clutter: [1] BUSH gets to decide what constitutes U.S. compliance with Geneva, [2] no one collared can cite Geneva in any event (or get habeas), and [3] blanket indemnity for any Bushzi torture already authorized and conducted is conferred retroactively.
I posted the Friday bills here (as well Bush’s original proposal):
King George.
I wanna stay in Harry’s and Ensign’s faces about this shit, but I wanna know where things stand. Trying to stay on top of things during a very busy workweek.
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Peterr #88 — it’s going to smart a bit, but thinking like a Repug for a moment finds the solution to the Bolton compensation problem.
Loans.
It’s a perk of incorporating that an officer can loan the corporation assets and receive payments back with interest. Just one way of doing it.
Or a so-called blind trust of investments suddenly has better performance than expected.
Or speaker’s fees – maybe Bolton will suddenly be popular and receive a lot of advances.
Or Bolton will write a book — ghost-written by Heritage Foundation members, of course — and the book will become very, VERY popular and bought up in bulk by certain outlets (only to be found later on the shelves of the local dollar store).
Many ways to skin that cat, if you think like Repug.
Ugh. Now I need to bleach my brain.
I’m patiently waiting for Richard Clarke to speak up. He is the ham between two slices of bread at this point. Maybe he’s worried about his career, but he needs to clear the air.
Should be in the last thread, I know:
“How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a comma?”
Christy – please delete one – I’m having problems with the site. I get the endlessly spinning loading thing and go away, have coffee, come back, it’s still spinning. So I fiddled with it some an hit send agains.
Sorry.
EvilDrPuma @ 109
Hmmmm, looks like a good Spotlight project for Wolfie and Cafferty. You’ve got it right, EDP.
Thank God for Keith Olbermann, and you all! People who say what I’ve been thinking for years – I have found my peeps!
I also thank the military brass who are telling it like it is, very publicly. My sister has noticed the leaks and wondered if they signaled pushback from the Pentagon against Rumsfeld and failed admin policies. Yesterday’s testimony definitely seems so.
On a sobering note: after reading about the Navy in VA getting ready to ship out within the week to be in the mideast by Oct. 21, I happened to run into a DoD employee in town on business. He lives near Camp Pendleton(?) in San Diego. He has noticed equipment movement WAY up, moving out on trains 24 hrs. a day, and test bombs exploding. He said it’s exactly the same as before the Iraq invasion. Get ready, people – Iran is no longer smoke on the horizon.
And a question. If the military is pushing back, what whould happen if they refused to go to Iran? Not a coup, per se, just a refusal to deploy. Thoughts, anyone?
Professor Foland @ 10
Well, it would be great to have you here in VA! At minimum, if you can, I’d wait to decide until the next round of polls. I expect both Lamont and Whitehouse are going to be shown to be in a pretty good position. If either of them isn’t, then by all means, they need your help. If they’re looking okay, come down here and help us with the less sure thing.
Well apparently BUsh has decided to declassify and release “parts” of the NIE, “as soon as possible.”
When is Libby having lunch with Miller?
Uh-oh. There’s definitely been a server or network burp, or something else going on.
My last comment is stuck in mod, and the refresh and reload is really slow and flukey.
???
Maybe THEY are trying to mess with us…heh.
BobbyG @ 114
Congress will recess at the end if this week. They come back after the election for a lame duck session. There’s usually not much done in a lame duck session.
If anything is done on any legislation in the lame duck session, it will be easier to fight from a position of majority status beginning in January.
did anyone notice that exgeneral Batiste made direct reference to the elections and what would happen afterward?
did anyone get the same impression I did from his comment? I know what I heard, I just want to know others may think of his statements concerning the upcoming election, it was only a couple sentences mixed in, but it was stunning
My latest email from Feingold says that the votes went to Sherrod Brown as the newest Progressive Patriot to receive financial support. Go Ohio!
Lina,
It’s certainly possible the Democrats are trying a run-out-the-clock strategy while on the surface saying nothing critical. But that would seem a risky strategy. The Republicans are pretty desperate to have this come to a vote and, by saying nothing so far the Democrats have failed to lay any groundwork with the public to explain a principled filibuster or other tactic at the 11th hour.
Waaaaay OT
Berkeley Chief, Employees Indicted on Criminal Charges
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http://www.naturalproductsinsi…..11389.html
Christy
I s’pose you already know, but access to comments is very slow to impossible on several threads, not just Late Nite.
As you said, maybe Jamie. . .
p.s. I’ve been recommending FDL to a bunch-a-folk. Just looking at the recent material at the site, I couldn’t be more proud to do so!
Thanks to everyone for making this THE Go To Site on the ‘net, even if it does slow the toobz a bit from time to thyme. ;->
Primordial Ooze @ 117
It’s very well said. It captures not only the arrogance but the mean mindedness.
Who has access to NIE’s? Was it only parts that were leaked? What sort of position might one be in to leak? I know that there are scores of officers who contribute, but who might have access to the whole piece?
OT – Happy Banned Books Week!
Or maybe not so OT . . . There’s a lot of stuff Bush wouldn’t like folks to read! Stick it to the White House: Read!
“Restriction of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us.” — Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas (from the ALA website)
Storyboard/ad:
Voiceover: George Bush may not have any problem with turning our democracy into a dictatorship.
videoclip or still of GWBush sitting fireside in the WH saying “I don’t have a problem with dictatorships as long as I get to be dictator.”
Voiceover: The Republican congress sure hasn’t done anything to stop him. We can’t trust them to do anything to rein in Bush.
videoclip of buffalo stampeding over a cliff
Voiceover: We’ve got one day to get it right.
On November 7, vote as if your democracy depends on it. Vote Democratic.
[any YouTube-savvy people who want to run with this, go for it….]
lawsinger @ 127
Today is Tuesday. They’ve got three more days to vote on it before it’s Adios!
Say hello to Sen. Tester, Sen. Webb, Sen. Lamont, Sen. Not-Chafee (cant think of his name), Sen. Brown. Did I forget anyone?
I think all the torture talk is giving the tubes indigestion. If it can sicken and disgust even artificial intelligence, what does that say for the politicians, lawyers and military?
Still, on the bright side, Rumsfeld found a miiltary that still respects him – in Montenegro. And Rice has pravdalike resplendency all over my yahoo news pages – download 60 minutes clip, download her cute lil outtakes, story on Clinton, story on this, story on that, all Condi, all the time. When you think of all the pomp and circumstance of this administation, the staged settings, medal awards, etc. – you wonder if she got just a little too enamored of the USSR when she was putting together her cold warrior resume.
EvilDrPuma @ 109
Mary @ 106
sadly, my phone calls (to senators and reps) this morning did not give me hope. i think this is not only immoral, it is pragmatically STUPID.
meta @ 131
Pat Lang’s blog addresses this:
http://turcopolier.typepad.com…..n_nie.html
This morning’s CNN.com poll:
Before 9/11, which administration did more to pursue or kill Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda terrorist group?
Bush 32% 13113 votes
Clinton 68% 28217 votes
Total: 41330 votes
Looks like people are getting it, even if the MSM can’t (or won’t).
oldtree@125: which comments? We don’t all have video during the day.
Trust but verify. Bush is weaseling on the release of the NIE. All qualifiers all the time.
Olbermann nailed it. This guy’s a gutless coward who blusters and bullies and hides behind the skirts of Mushroom Cloudaleeza and Laura and redaction.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Josh has several posts up about “the other secret NIE, the one on Iraq.
Jane Harman has also discussed this at The National Press Club
this morning.
Bush has said he will release the NIE.
Site is loading better now (that I am about to leave). ;)
Shorter version of the rambly, typoladen grammatically shocking post above:
Even without the torture provisions, the legislation is a nightmare.
Susan inIowa – “parts of” the NIE.
file under the concept of “run ‘em ragged”, Jane Harmon (per TPM Muckraker) is asking for a 2nd, more damaging, intelligence report to be released…
article here
lina @ 124
Yeah, but the worry is that they’ll ram some POS through this week — recall the Patriot Act? Almost NO congresscritters even knew what was in it.
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Richmond @
108
He who pays the piper calls the tune. Look at who controls the money for the democrats and what outside influences they might have on them.
Lina (138), KO would do well to have Colonel Lang on Countdown as his guest to discuss this important subject.
OT: wrt the Clinton/Wallace interview, the CIA & FBI would not let Clinton go into Afghanistan. After he left office, not one meeting was called to discuss Osama bin Laden. What made the Bushco Conservative MSM’s think immediately after 911, that Osama was directly responsible? What changed the inteligence agencies minds? Didn’t they know that the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia?
This interview is very very interesting when you hear it without listening to the MSM’s Combative atmosphere it has been cloaked with.
OT – Drudge report has up: “ABCNews, Washington Post Reporters: ‘Drudge Rules Our World’” Why am I not surprised?! But, that they would say it….
Old Tree at 125, can you isolate those few sentences for us?
PS at 133, sounds good to me!!
Susan @ 142
Yes, but it depends which one he’s releasing and it looks as if they’re “cleaning” it up beforehand. The Iraq NIE is, according to Justin Rooad,
“dismal”.
It’s time for the talking heads to start having some of the publications on their shows that reported years ago about the lack of planning, lack of WMD, stove-piping of intelligence, etc, and say “hey, you guys were reporting this a long time ago, how come we didn’t hear you?” Redshift @ 111
In other words, if 3 houses fell down in my neighborhood and I got on TV and said Osama did it, wouldn’t an investigator be sent to question me as to where I received that info?
Oh, well…..carry on mates!
Eugene Robinson on the NIE and the declassification…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01038.html
Raw: “Pelosi calls for secret session over Iraq/Terror, House voting now!” You rock Nancy!!!
On Christy’s call to action above, anyone within driving distance of Charles City, IA, meet at Aromas coffee shop at 3:30 with your walking shoes on. We’re doing two towns today. It’s the Go Blue Weight Loss Through Canvassing Program. Hope it works.
Richmond @ 156
If nothing else this burns up House time prior to recess.
Tic, tic, tic…
Re the NIE
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12913317/
Bush also said that it was naive to think that the sun came up in the east, that the earth was round (because how come people in Australia don’t fall off, answer me that, I thought you couldn’t), and that whole science thing, how can you trust anything with all those numbers?
Sally @ 148
agree.
dont think he’s done much tv lately.
angie (155), Daniel Ellsberg was calling on people in the know to release information that the public should know and is being kept from it by the Administration. Maybe there is one patriot who will release the full report, classified or not. No one should doubt Bush will try to release only what benefits his lies. There are people who can stop him cold. Maybe we’ll hear from them which will be a great service to our country.
Hugh @ 159
I thought that was Dangerstein…
Hugh @ 159
George W. Bush calling anyone else “naive” is just surreal in its moronic audacity.
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from a comment by cboldt, a few minutes ago at balkinization:
mary, are you still here to explain this to us? this there really less than 1 hour to go?
Cheney and Rice and Bush say that given everything they know now, they would still invade Iraq. I would follow up with this add on to that question: If YOUR son or daughter were killed in Iraq, would you still invade Iraq?
Richmond @ 68
OK, Sandy Berger, time to play the Ace of Spades in your sock…
Does anyone know what Trent Lott’s threat to the Dems was over secret meetings?
The page won’t come up on Raw Story..
Also, I wonder how the nukyular option to end filibuster would play these days? Not that they would have time to use it anyway.
OT: Your daily d r i f t g l a s s on congress…
And right now all of the “thinking” seems to be coming from the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue, and the acrid stink of their own burning skin seems to have awakened at least a few on the Right that all the “thinking” from the West Wing seems calibrated to sacrificing everyone and everything else in order to salvage the legacy of one halfwit who barely acknowledges their existence except when he needs his ass wiped in public.
[snip]
Adrienne @ 120
ccmask @ 165
I [bleeping] hate that asinine assertion that continues to go unchallenged by the MSM. The simple fact is that, had the public and the Congress known everything now known, the Bushzies would never have gotten the authorization they used as a blank check to perpetrate the madness that has ensued — and they [bleeping] know it full well.
It makes me crazy that no one in the media simply and cleary refutes that to Bush’s face in public.
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Imus webpage at MSNBC has pull quotes from Kerry’s appearance this morning.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036713/
Also, tomorrow’s guests include Chris Wallace. Got questions? imus@msnbc.com
How about starting with asking him what his father issues are?
Then there’s who sent you the emails asking you to ask Clinton that question–Rove or Roger?
My own personal favorite would be “have you no shame”?
Praying for Pelosi! and Wanted voodoo Frist doll!
Josh Marshall is asking everyone to call their representatives and senators now in order to get both reports out.
Below this post is Fighting Democrat Webb’s new ad.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
OT, but important piece of the Iran puzzle:
Over at the DailyKos General Wesley Clark…feels that the only chance to stop a strike on Iran is the election of a Democratic Congress in November, assuming BushCo does not manage to start dropping the bombs before the election. The only good news about Iran is that Clark feels there are clear divisions in the Administration, with Rice showing some misgivings about striking, and CheneyCo wanting war with Iran ASAP. The bad news is that with RiceCo wavering, and CheneyCo chomping at the bit, a strike is simply a matter of “when, not if.”
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..125738/074
New Thread.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..s/#respond
Adrienne @ 174
So, when does Bush attack Iran next month? Late in the month, so as to leave little domestic political blowback time in the event they hit back hard and lethally on a large scale?
Just for the sake of argument — that it’ll be prior to election day. How close to election day? Two weeks? A week?
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Prairie Sunshine @ 171
“How about starting with asking him what his father issues are?”
Presumably the same as W’s.
selise @ 164
Christy, can you comment on this?
Merely a question to throw out here but is it possible to have due process without a right to habeas corpus? Is there any point in having a legal process without it? Without it, detainees who have not been charged have no recourse to demand that they either be charged or released. Those who are charged might still be limited in their knowledge of the scope of the charges against them, hanpering their defense. Even those who were eventually acquitted could be detained indefinitely because they would still have no means to contest their continued detention.
I wonder if anyone has even bothered to read the NIE report?
The office of intelligence director John Negroponte released a 3-1/2 page section of the April report “Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States” compiled by the 16 U.S. spy agencies hours after Bush ordered it declassified.
Declassified NIE Report