Well, kids. I’m back. Thank goodness for your optimism and tremendous insights on Friday night. You pulled me back from the brink, after my depressing dinner with some of the centrist and monied Dem gentry. Thank you kindly for your heroic efforts in the comments section. You fortified me so that when I saw this piece about the netroots in Time today, I resolved to get to work immediately on some posts and other writing that will drive home the truth about the budding blog infrastructure being both a vital medium for exchanging information and ideas, and for organizing. Maybe it is, as Jeffrey Feldman suggested in the comments, a matter of leadership and habits. In other words, I agree that we, who see the tremendous possibilities and value that blogs offer our democracy, must be the ones to lead the funders to the promised land, and teach them new media habits.
Afterall, it’s not surprising that Democratic funders do not understand the ballast that progressive blogs are and will continue to be to the Democratic party. They don’t know us. They eat a mainstream media diet, perhaps peppered with the occasional Nation or American Prospect article, if we’re lucky. And the mainstream media regularly trash the blogs, with few exceptions, with pieces like Perry Bacon Jr.’s this week:
…Moderate Democrats say it with remorse, conservatives with glee, but the conventional wisdom is bipartisan: progressive bloggers are pushing the Democratic Party so far to the left that it will have no chance of capturing the presidency in 2008.
Or maybe the Netroots aren’t all that. Make no mistake, these online activists are having a profound impact on the Democrats and on politics in general. But the phenomenon is in its infancy. Compared with established interest groups like organized labor and conservative Christians, the Netroots play a small role in national politics. Even their most ardent players now recognize that you can’t create a true movement using nothing but modems and instant messaging.
Oh, if only Perry and his ilk would spend a week really learning what the progressive blogs are about. First of all, they cannot lump all blogs and bloggers under a one-size-fits-all label, as there are those who are citizen journalists, researchers, commentators, activists, historians, Constitutional attorneys, movie producers, radio DJs, public relations professionals, professors, teachers, soldiers, and, increasingly, former and current members of their own media ranks. You name it, and you’ll find it on the blogs. We are their fellow citizens, and we’ve finally found ways to share ideas and information without having to rely on Perry’s editorial judgment, time constraints and, sometimes, outright biases.
And while some blogs focus on writing and investigating, or commentary and media criticism, many are also run by activists and pols who communicate with each other and organize their fellow citizens to stand up for our democracy. Perry thinks this is new.
What’s more, the Netroots are, paradoxically, attempting to maximize their effectiveness by going off-line. MoveOn is organizing its members to make a combined 5 million phone calls before Election Day, asking people to vote for Democrats. Markos Moulitsas, who runs Daily Kos, is talking about building real, bricks-and-mortar gathering halls where progressives can meet and organize political activities in person. Jane Hamsher, who runs the piquant online hangout Firedoglake, and other bloggers have started the "roots project," in which they employ nonweb political tactics like writing letters to the editors of their local newspapers. "We can hammer the New York Times and the Washington Post forever," Hamsher said, but "candidates are more influenced by what we’re doing in their own backyards."
Even with these changes, the Netroots won’t be kingmakers. The fact is, day-to-day campaigning in 2006 is not very different from how it was in 1996: candidates call a few very rich people to ask them to give money so the campaign can run ads on television and hope soccer moms catch them between cooking dinner and driving to practice. If the Democrats win in the fall elections, the roots of that victory will not be on the Net.
First, I don’t think any bloggers I know are out to be "kingmakers." In the year that I have gotten to know many in this community, I have primarily experienced, in myself and others, the thrill that citizens can talk to each other, share ideas, build alliances and take action. There is a true desire to build a movement that will make this country more fair for more people, and one way to do that is to help elect more progressive candidates. And, there have been offline campaigning and organizing activities such as these all along. Maybe the Perrys are just waking up, and perhaps the funders are, too. So, back to Jeffrey Feldman and his very good thoughts on leadership and habits, and how to help people understand the need for continued growth of the progressive blogosphere:
I don’t think that the only reason we all see your points and (mostly likely) agree is simply because we understand the arguments or see the ideas. It’s also because we are now politically built of a new set of habits. In order to bring the “big” folks in your narrative into the story, we will also need to bring them into our habits.
Why not give these guys the blog equivalent of personal trainers? Send them a person everyday who sits with them for an hour and walks them through the basics of how to participate in the blogs–sets up their profile, logs them on, shows them the sites, helps them participate in a comment thread, post a diary. And we could do this for them from now until 2008. A blog personal trainier program for potential Liberal/Progressive/Democratic philanthropists.
Habits. That’s the key. Miraculously, we have changed our habits–but they have not changed theirs. But we can help them along. Would they be open to a blog personal trainer? Some might not be, but it only takes one to succeed and the rest will follow.
There is something to Jeffrey’s idea. Whether it’s a blog personal trainer who actually sits with these funders, or whether there is some other way to best introduce them, I’m not sure and would like for us all to discuss further. But the notion that we should teach them some new habits seems like a course worth pursuing. We must start at the beginng with these folks, and then keep them abreast of the work being done in the blogosphere, so that they see us as an integral and worthy component of the infrastructure for disseminating ideas and info, as well as organizing and bringing more people around to voting for Democratic and progressive candidates. Perhaps it starts with some outreach and a report that aggregates some of the successes we’ve seen emanate from the blogs, something created particularly for Democratic funder types.
And, as we find the ways to introduce ourselves to the funders, we must bring more people to the blogs. Perry’s article says there are an estimated six million folks who are a part of the netroots. After writing that piece on Friday, and getting charged up by your enthusiasm, I decided I had to personally start sharing my enthusiasm for the blogs with everyone I meet. So, I started talking to friends, who kind of get it and those who don’t at all. I’m sending links to posts and encouraging people to read them and to check the blogs regularly. I aggregate posts from many blogs, to give them a taste of what’s out there. At a party this weekend, I chatted up total strangers and urged them to get involved. You might expect people to look at you like you’ve got two heads when you start talking about blogs, but I found quite the opposite. In fact, I came home with the business cards of three people from that one party, who said they really wanted to find some way to get more involved, and to understand what is happening in the blogosphere. Ironically, one turned out to be a program officer of a major liberal foundation!
Just think if all six million of us could bring another ten people to the blogs and get them engaged in various ways, online and offline, over the next month. We’d certainly start getting the attention of funders quickly, perhaps they would finally see the value in investing in WHAT WORKS and what is connecting the citizens of this nation more and more. Perhaps some much needed money for operating support would finally be funneled into the blogs.
We just need to keep showing people how necessary the blogs are, in getting the word out and building momentum for necessary change. And if we are indeed pushing the Democratic party to the left, maybe it’s because the wingnuts were so successful in skewing everything so utterly and grotesquely to the right. We’re talking about a necessary corrective to the political spectrum in this country. Letting the media paint us as "left-wing radicals" and "crazy 60s types" is effecting how funders see blogs as well. We are about winning elections, and standing up to authoritarianism. Nothing radical there. But, it sure is telling that Dem funders see us as radical, so it’s time to attack that meme.
I want to leave you with some other possible actions to take this week, in addition to these longer-term goals. With the midterms fast approaching, we’ve got to do our part to point people toward tangible actions they can take over the next few weeks. And since the corporate media cannot be counted on to cover the myriad problems concerning voting and elections, and to point citizens toward action, I hope you’ll join the incredibly energetic and whip-smart organizers at Mainstreet Moms: Organize or Bust and Pollworkers for Democracy.
This is about protecting our elections. Trex has been doing a stellar job of pounding away at Diebold here at the Lake, but feisty Megan Matson and Felicity Crush, from MMOB, are hoping to get the word out about their Give a Day for Democracy campaign, which is being co-sponsored by VoteTrustUSA and Working Assets. First, watch their video, above. And check out this site for a new movie on this very subject, out this week.
With the current national shortage of pollworkers–by nearly 500,000!–and all the persistent controversies around voting machines and elections, they’ve come up with an easy way to do something about it. Sign up to work the polls, people!
“It’s time to give a day for democracy and sign up to work the polls,” says Megan Matson. "The only way our democracy can truly work is by turning concern into action and becoming part of the solution. Helping voters and assisting elections officials is a simple, supportive and paid way to do this."
At present pollworkers are hired, trained and paid by their local election officials to work in their county on Election Day – the average age of a pollworker is 72. Pollworkers for Democracy is recruiting pollworkers to help with the kind of problems seen in recent primaries: thousands of frustrated would-be voters, long delays, and confusion generated by failing voting machine systems. These problems, combined with a recent flurry of lawsuits and a growing stack of government and institutional reports against electronic voting machines have lead to low public confidence in the American electoral system.
The Pollworkers for Democracy campaign also plans to collect pollworker observations through an online survey. Participants are encouraged to keep an eye out for problems at the polls such as the mishandling of voter registration requirements, delays and errors due to failing electronic voting systems, voter intimidation,and issues surrounding the use and counting of provisional ballots. The campaign will also be looking for reports of well-run precincts and best practices among elections officials. The pollworker survey is linked to a national Election Incident Reporting System supporting informed election reform
solutions.
Ummm, I know my plate is pretty full with hijacking the Democatic party and making it succumb to my evil plans for irrelevancy and unelectability, but I think I’ll go sign up now to offer assistance to my local elections officials.
Let’s all give a day for democracy, and show those Dem funders and the media what the blogosphere is truly about.




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Mr. Olbermann is my hero.
KO KO’s 43
About time somebody held him to account
Holy Shit! KO just gave me the greatest moment of tv I’ve ever experienced. Bar none!
KO has just slammed Bush in the most appropriate and stunning comment. If you have not seen it make sure you do. It is the best statement he has made about bush so far. Keith is my hero.
KO smack down again, it is becomming a weekly thing.
Keith will be on again in California at nine tonight. Watch!!!!!!!!!!!
KO is definitely a true hero. And so are the folks behind Pollworkers for Democracy. Check them out, and sign up to help out at the polls.
I was floored when I got a call today from the California Democratic Party, telling me they have local telephone banks available for anyone who has the time and the inclination to help…
I told her I was already doing as much as I could but it was evident that the passion in my voice inspired her to make more “annoying” calls.
It Feels Good to Help! Get to it!
Keith!
What a statement…
A Pulitzer….
Jack
Keith Obermann absolutely rocked tonight!!! I salute his brass balls.
Wow! I just came in from a jog in the middle of Keith’s speech. Wow!
I can’t wait to see the whole thing on C&L.
ceci @ 10
And may I be the first to advise (on this thread, anyway):
KEITH! Please stay off of small planes! We need you.
Bless You.
It’s broadcast, so won’t be a Pulitzer, but could easily be a Peabody.
I want to have Keith’s babies.
Via onegoodmove;
Ben-Veniste about Preznit Commatose ignoring OBL;
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/
KO was unbelievable. Fearless.
He connected all the dots – up to and including clips of torture from the movie 1984.
I am stunned and speechless.
And I will echo a concern others have verbalized. Please, Mr. Olbermann – do not fly in small planes. (I hope he has bodyguards.)
Liberal Heart @ 13
Get in line honey.
There is a bumper sticker around that says (something like), “If the people lead, the leaders will follow.”
The same thing apparently applies to blogs. The standard print people are in such a different and established/-ment world, that I think they really can’t see what’s happening in front of them.
I don’t bother with things like Time because its news is always days or weeks old by the time it gets into print and because the editing process makes it read as it is written, by boring committee, but unfortunately a lot of people take it as gospel.
In time, I think they will learn to see, but in the meantime we just have to keep on keeping on. (How’s that for an old-time cliche?)
Watch this on the MSNBC website, Countdown page as soon as it’s posted there. We need to make clear to MSNBC we appreciate Keith’s forceful commentary. Ask your friends and family to read at the MSNBC website, too. They’re counting.
Republicans can’t be trusted to rein in this rogue President.
Hey Jennifer,
Great post. I’ve been trying to introduce some like minded folks to the blogosphere.
This post will bridge the gap.
What a great addition you’ve been to to the all-star lineup at FDL.
How’s the M. T. Wheeler book project coming?
I have to wait till 11, but I’ll do it. Getting to be too much of a habit though. I need tivo.
Way OT, but interesting and ties a bit with the misperception of the radical left –
Who knew there was something called the Declaration of Peace, Week of Action going on now?
http://www.declarationofpeace……id=2011077
I only did through my church (national committee office). Almost all of the “mainstream” Protestant churches are in lockstep with the “radical left” on the war being a very bad idea and one that needs to be put to bed now, minimum wage and poverty and education initiatives needing increased attention, support for troops by bringing them home, etc.
I wonder if the non-violent protests planned for tomorrow and Weds will get bodies and if so, if they will get press.
Fitz?
Constant Reader @ 17
I think we have to do more than just “keeping on” though. I think we have to reach out, bring more people to the blogs to actually read them and get involved in various ways. The more we can chip away at the myths that reporters at places like Time keep peddling, the better off our country will be.
Liberal Heart,
Yes. A Peabody as a Wake-up Call…
Let’s reclaim our Nation…
Jack
I can hear it now:
Reporter: Mr. President, I’d like to know what your reaction is to recent remarks by Keith Olbermann.
President Bush: I don’t know what he said; to tell you the truth, I don’t pay much attention to him.
Only one of these statements can be true:
OR
Which is it Perry? These statements cannot both be true, yet Time readers are given them both as proof that bloggers are bad.
sheesh
T- @ 19
Good, I hope it does help. I guess I realized after that dinner last week, and in reading the comments here, etc., that we really have to start at the beginning for a lot of folks. Just because I get it, and other bloggers and blog-readers get it, it isn’t enough. We need to better explain what we are, and reach out to more people. So, the shit just don’t fly any more.
And the book is moving along. Working on lining up a distributor this week.
Liberal Heart @ 13
So do I, and I’m a straight male!
Dorgan and the amazing truth testimony up on cspan again at 12am and 509am on cspan 1
http://inside.c-spanarchives.o…..hedule.csp
tpres2000 @ 24
…gnashing his teeth all the while, of course.
Constant Reader @ 17
I hope that you’re right. But, the MSM has been complicit in what’s happened for a long time (e.g. witch hunt against the Clintons, so on). When/if they realize how they’ve been played, do you really think there’d be a mea culpa coming? It may not pay to underestimate the American people but it does seem to for American journalists.
Great post, Jennifer. Everyone’s excited about Keith but I did like your post a lot. Last Friday I was kind of depressed after reading your post about the funders, but now you and Keith have picked me back up.
I liked this line:
Whether it’s a blog personal trainer who actually sits with these funders, or whether there is some other way to best introduce them, I’m not sure and would like for us all to discuss further.
I had to laugh at the image of the funders being so fucking stupid they need a trainer to hold their hand and show them how to read a blog and comment on it.
But what can we do? Should we e-mail them links to some really good posts?
After a deeply depressing day (over that sham of a “hearing” by Specter), Mr. K8 and I are off to the local monthly PDA meeting.
One of the agenda items is the protest on Friday against
Josef GoebbelsKarl Rove when he shows up in Scottsdale AZ this Friday to spread his evil anti-American poison to the wealthy pigs here in town.Trying to see if Mr. K8 can take off from work so we can be there! Or be square.
Tomorrow it’s back to phone banking from home for Herb Paine.
When I get a chance, I’ll report on the Jim Pederson fundraiser we attended last night.
Gosh, Keith was the shot in the arm I really needed today — his fearlessness is contagious!
Keep the faith, Firepups! Some days are very dark, but the test of courage is keeping to your heart-held principles even when the skies are the darkest you’ve ever seen. I keep thinking of Washington’s men getting frostbite at Valley Forge, but sticking with the plan for revolution against King George even when all seemed hopeless.
How can we lose faith with that type of example in our tradition?
BLITZER: … that the CIA and the FBI had, in his words, certified that al Qaeda was responsible, he was still president until January 20, 2001. He had a month, let’s say, or at least a few weeks to respond.
Why didn’t he?
BEN-VENISTE: Well, I think that was a question of whether a president who would be soon leaving office would initiate an attack against a foreign country, Afghanistan. And I think that was left up to the new administration. But strangely, in the transition there did not seem to be any great interest by the Bush administration, at least none that we found, in pursuing the question of plans which were being drawn up to attack in Afghanistan as a response to the Cole.
snip
BLITZER: And we asked the White House to respond to Ben- Veniste’s comments and the deputy White House spokeswoman Dana Perino gave us this statement. “The bombing was on October 12th, 2000. The president wasn’t even in office.” That was the statement and as far as what President Bush did do after he was in office during those eight months, the White House referred us to what Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice, then the national security adviser to the president, what she testified before the 9/11 Commission.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRA…..om.03.html
Full transcript of KO;
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15004160/
OT as usual: Your daily oil and gas prices
Average price for regular gasoline 9/25/06 in 50 states and DC
$3.00 plus 1 state
$2.90 plus 1 state
$2.80 plus 2 states
$2.70 plus 4 states
$2.60 plus 5 states
$2.50 plus 4 states
$2.40 plus 7 states
$2.30 plus 9 states
$2.20 plus 10 states
$2.10 plus 8 states
Average national price: $2.384, down $.057 from 9/22/06
Highest recorded national average price: $3.057 9/5/2005
Highest average price: Hawaii $3.141
Lowest average price: Missouri $2.107
http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp
Nymex Crude Future $61.82 (I screwed up on the figure from yesterday to compare.)
Dated Brent Spot $60.22, up $1.14
WTI Cushing Spot $60.95, up $.87
The decline in gas prices remains about a month ahead of similar declines last year. The national average is currently about 30 cents less than at this point last year. The low point last year was about $2.12 and occurred in early December so if current trends continue we could see a similar national average by election day.
I have begun to see stories discounting pre-election manipulation in gas prices. While gas prices are currently being affected by factors like end of summer price declines, a cooling economy, the absence of Gulf hurricanes, and lessening speculative pressure on oil, this does not preclude Republican friendly timing in price declines orchestrated by the oil companies. In fact, the variety of possible influences on gas prices actually makes it easier for such manipulation to take place as the past history of convenient price changes always seeming to favor oil company interests indicates, or perhaps they were just lucky.
Oil prices continue to circle the $60 mark.
“mainstream media diet”? Can one OD on the Purple Pill?
1,270 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Nix:
I wonder if it has occurred to people like Jeff Feldman that maybe the “big folks” with money will never be excited about electing progressives…maybe in fact, we progressives should be aiming to create a system where money and the “big folks” have only one person one vote.
It’s time to understand that the new politics is not new if it plays the same game directed by the same forces as the old politics.
The possibility of a “new” progressive politics is growing in proportion to the structural changes in institutions of communication…if the web does indeed replace the corporate print and cable businesses in importance if not completely, then, the degree to which the new medium is different from the old will be it’s freedom from the forces of the market as we now know it.
In other words dear, if the new medium of communication is to be a force to reshape politics as we know it it will also have to be a force in reshaping capitalism…this is why “net neutrality” is more threatenin’ to the “big folks” than alternative energy or nuclear free economies and societies.
KEEP THE FAITH AND TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER, THE BAD GUYS AIN’T GOIN’ DOWN EASILY!!!
moeman @ 34
Hmm, that’s his blog. He’s done this before and it wasn’t the entire thing. The “official” transcript will be up tomorrow.
moeman @ 34
Thanks for the link, moeman.
Awesome rant, Keith!
Okay. I just emailed MSNBC in support of Keith Olbermann. I’m still blown away by his commentary tonight. And incredibly grateful.
Jennifer, I just signed up to be a pollworker.
dab from CT @ 40
excellent! now only 499,999 to go. Let’s go FDL!
Another great piece, Jennifer. I’m glad to see you are still hitting hard and chipping away at the biases.
I like Jeffrey’s idea. I don’t know if a trainer will work. Maybe a party thrown by bloggers where there is discussion and fun, and then projected navigation of some successful blogs. Talk about the readership and the trajectory of success. The organic nature of how these things grow, in some ways unpredicably. The way that blogs mimic human thought and interaction and decision-making and how they gather momentum for action in a collective way.
EvilDrPuma @ 27
Things are getting at least, mildly odd.
So can we send Keith some flowers and chocolate tomorrow?
Jennifer — I agree the bloggers are making a big difference and filling an important role. I had a happenstance meeting with the local democratic precint captain in my area. She was really quite busy telling me all the rumors about the new mayor but could not think of anything I might be able to do to help the local democratic party. To actually make any kind of difference, I had to get involved with the national bloggers and now am attempting to get involved more with local bloggers. I saw what happened with the Connecticut bloggers via FireDogLake. It works. Don’t much care what the entrenched say about it.
It’s really on the same wavelength as Colbert’s “Reality has a well-known liberal bias.” Blogs are further left because, in reality, so is the population. We have a govt that completely ignores 49% of the voters, in entirety. Add in all the people who don’t vote and we have a hugely frustrated populace.
Like others who have been dragged into political activism by this wrecking crew Administration, I can handle differences of opinion. What I can’t handle is utter incompetence! Hubris, arrogance, failure.
Their days are numbered, while our numbers will continue to grow.
OT (or not) but way back when, Olbermann was the only MSCM person who did significant reporting on vote fraud. Alas, he dropped the story. I wish he’d take that one up again..
http://www.progressivesociety.com/blog/?postid=7
Reminder:
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countdown@msnbc.com
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letters@msnbc.com
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Celebrate KO’s big KO. Send him a little love tonight…
This has nothing to do with journalism and everything to do with punditry and the conflation of the two. Pundits by and large are not journalists. But by lumping them in with journalists they gain a respectability. Its sort of like a gated community. And the gatekeepers don’t like the fact that blogs allow anyone to express an opinion. Not only that, but they let anyone pass judgment, fact check etc what they read in the filtered media. This is very threatening.
So honestly, if an old media sees itself being displaced by a new one, if it sees that its exclusivity is evaporating why would you expect anything but hostility from it? To expect favorable coverage from them is really quite silly. Those buggy makers just loved the first cars didn’t they? They are going to fight a rear guard action to discredit the entire concept. The degree of their savagery is going to be directly proportional to their desperation. Its a good sign that we are driving them nuts. These elite opinion mongers are only as good as their opinions. As good as the reasoning and ideas behind them. What they fear is a true marketplace of ideas rather than some sort of twisted old boys club. Blogs are just a tool to open up the marketplace of ideas.
Well said, SW.
Every time I read an MSM outlet trashing bloggers and the readers it pisses me off. The reason it pisses me off is because without thought and investigation they trash American voters and their own readers.
It would fabulous if one day the MSM realize exactly whom they are insulting. Maybe then they can stop screwing the pooch so badly.
I was thinking this morning that blogs like FDL are somewhere close to Committees of Corrrespondence: blogs pass the word and get people to organize. They also let us talk across the country and around the world, to find out what’s going on that won’t be on the news (mostly because it doesn’t fit the government’s picture of reality).
A lot of journamalists don’t get that.
I serve a congregation whose average age is 70. They are hungry for the information I am giving them about the blogs. Had a session yesterday after the service to get them to kick off group discussions of 50 Simple Things and 25 people stayed for it. (there were maybe 80 at worship). From that session came commitments to start a regular group to talk through the book and the actions in it; a volunteer to set up a screening of Iraq For Sale; and a couple of people interested in starting a Drinking Liberally on the lower Cape. Not bad for a one hour meeting.
Oct. 28 is the district Fall meeting on Social Justice. I’ve agreed to give a workshop on blogging and online organizing. People want to find ways to get involved. We need to be out there talking it up and helping them learn.
a few points about six degrees of perry bacon that i made over at skippy:
i was blogging back in 2002, and i came late to the party, so for perry bacon jr (isn’t that a sandwich at the san francisco burger king?) to say liberal blogging started two years ago is totally up his you know what. even if he meant “oh that’s when a whole bunch of people really got into it,” then for him to write the next sentence as “blogs like dkos and mydd grew rapidly” is, as i say, disengenuous at best and downright wrong at worst (dabadwaw).
he also propagates the false meme that lamont is far behind lieberman in the polls as proof that liberal netroots are not effective. i suppose the truth (that rassmussen and arg both have the two candidates tied) would be directly opposing to his premise, ie, it would prove that libblogs are actually quite effective.
worse, bacon says “the rightroots movement is only just getting started.” total bs. instapundit, cap. quarters, et al, were all working furiously when i first started in 2002, and peaked about three years ago. this is only because of the market place, bacon, less people like to read lefty blogs way more than righty blogs. deal with it, or at least admit it on the pixels of time.com.
lastly, and steve gilliard pounds this point already on his blog, as does stirling newberry over at tpm cafe, perry pretends that blogging activists have only just now become activists, when markos, to name just one, has always admitted that getting dems elected was priority one, over spreading agenda. no leftist blogger i know only sits in their pj’s in their parents’ basement.
that’s for the rightists.
angie – is that for the testimony from the retired military?
*********
It looks like Germany is getting pressure to issue warrants in the el-Masri case Newsweek article and WHY ISN’T THIS HUGE NEWS?
Has any administration every ended up with 40 of its representatives the subject of warrants for criminal activity in two countries?
I don’t guess Canada is planning on anything? I noticed that they have tried, here, recently to sell the “Arar was a legal deporation” theme. Just how many legal deporations involve drugging and cutting off clothes, and escort to toture detention, all the while obscuring from an ally and country of citizenship just where we have the guy?
Apparently both Fran Townsend and Powell chewed out the last PM in Canada bc he complained about Arar and they told him it was a “joint decision.”
Then Powell contacted him later to apologize and indicated that it had been all the US.
Really interesting if you read the opinion in Arar. You can see that the DOJ crew sold a bill of goods to the Judge there, who wrote in some detail about how the state secrets had such validity bc it would be such a huge diplomotic issue if the US had to come forward and say, “Canada made us do it” or “Canada was in on it with us.”
Is there any Federal Judge in NY, VA or DC that doesn’t have their own, personal Bill of Sale from a DOJ? Why do they keep believing them – they are starting to look like an army of Charlie Browns, all still with starry eyed belief that Lucy won’t be moving the football this time.
*sigh*
P J Evans @ 52
But the Committees of Correspondence never had such cool boots.
Awesome. Keith Olbermann is a force. Brutal, brilliant, and beautiful!
Oh_My_God. Wow…..
Cozumel @
38
Sorry Coz, looked like the real deal when I read it. Thnx for the clarification. If there’s more its bonus!
C&L has the video!!!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
Olbermann’s Special Comment: Are YOURS the actions of a true American?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
Video ; )
I just signed up to be a pollworker too! Between KO’s comment tonight and Jennifer’s post, I felt absolutely compelled to do so.
LOL moeman
Ya out gunned me with C&L ; )
rat bastahd @ 46
“…wrecking crew Administration…”
Great image – wish I’d said that.
In my dreams
Yes, Mary @ 55 and it is jaw droppingly honest. I watched the whole thing and though I may not agree with their feeling that a continued military presence is the only real solution to the debacle that this admin created, they are blunt and the testimony is truly damning.
Not one of them spares the admin or the Congress. The torture and widespread killing of Iraqis is blamed on the administration. Batiste also lays the blame for our dead soldiers at the feet of Rumsfeld. Worth the time to see and hear the truth, imho.
SW @ 49
I am not of the opinion that all mainstream media coverage is bad, but I am all for answering the attacks that do come, and for blog communities being more proactive in reaching out to more of their fellow citizens whenever possible, and fighting the bad press about blogs. I believe that with outreach and continued effort on our parts, that media will be held more accountable. I am not a proponent of professional media going away. I think blogs are a democratic follow-through on what media does or does not report. And a way for us to communicate with each other. And, I do see some reporters and such from corporate media world starting to get it. But it will take diligence and passion on our parts to keep making our case.
Prairie Sunshine @ 18
Negroponte:
8 minutes ago.
“But Bush administration officials including Negroponte are contesting the media accounts, saying they describe only a portion of the conclusions and therefore distort the analysts’ findings on trends in global terrorism.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..telligence
Hey Jennifer,
I mostly lurk, but tonight I have to say that I sat down with a friend and did the blogger “personal trainer” bit with her Friday night. I showed her around many of our favorite neighborhoods. She was wowed and impressed, and after the second glass of wine, wondered why she wasn’t connected before. It was a joy to watch her increasing interest.
Great idea. Sometimes you just have to SHOW people something. So many of us are visual learners that the “showing” makes it real.
riiight, ok Mr. Negroponte spa man, suuure.
Go sit at your club and shut up.
1,270 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Holy Batshit…Olbermann declared war on the fascists and named names and almost begged ‘em ta come after ‘im.
For those of you who have some kinda religion that includes prayer…ya might be sayin’ a bunch for Keith’s health and safety. No joke folks, they’re gunna come after ‘im and it’s gunna be right out in front of everyone.
KEEP THE FAITH AND LET’S TAKE CARE OF OURS, THIS IS GUNNA GET REAL BAD IN A HURRY!!
Cozumel @ 61
Like you Coz, I’m just spreadin’ good news. Its one thing to read (and copy and paste and email) Olberman’s truthfully hurting words but its quite another to just sit back, watch and listen (and link).
RevDeb @ 53
That’s wonderful. My mother is 76 and understanding and using the Internet has broadened her horizons tremendously – particularly since she has become partially handicapped. She loves getting links from my sister and me – and then sending them on to her friends.
It’s a great communication tool for those who can’t get out and about as much as they used to. My mother can continue her activism without as much physical wear and tear.
moeman @ 71
He called Chris Wallace a Monkey (among other things)
Bwahahahaha
Jennifer Nix @ 22
In my haste to write, and not wanting to rattle on, I expressed it badly. By “keeping on,” I meant do more of what we’re already doing, which is reaching out, speaking out, writing, chipping away at the ossification surrounding things like Time.
As an ex-print reporter, I am particularly pained by the shortsightedness and narrow focus of the traditional media, but I recognize that the real innovations do and will come from outside the establishment that contains most of what Mr. & Mrs. America think of as “the media.”
Meanwhile, I continue to read, even though I don’t often post, and places like Firedoglake keep me from trying to bang my head against the wall too often.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
The testimony this afternoon from various senior military officers who have served in Iraq puts the lie to that particular spin. Iraq is a disaster of this administration’s making and it has increased terrorism and our vulnerability to future attacks.
The extent to which Powell and Tenet were used still manages to surprise me.
Canada Told US No Known Ties to Al-Qaeda
Interesting. And yet we still we had the Judge in the Arar case here saying
And finally tonight, a Special Comment about President Clinton’s interview. The headlines about them are, of course, entirely wrong. It is not essential that a past President, bullied and sandbagged by a monkey posing as a newscaster, finally lashed back.
It is not important that the current President’s “portable public chorus” has described his predecessor’s tone as “crazed.”
Our tone should be crazed. The nation’s freedoms are under assault by an administration whose policies can do us as much damage as Al-Qaeda; the nation’s “marketplace of ideas” is being poisoned, by a propaganda company so blatant that Tokyo Rose would’ve quit. Nonetheless.
The headline is this: Bill Clinton did what almost none of us have done, in five years. He has spoken the truth about 9/11, and the current presidential administration.
Y’know, these guys know who bloggers are, but they’re just plain a-skeered to say so.
Blogging is the 21st century version of pamphleteering in colonial times.
The Republicans are the British.
The Beltway Democrats are the Tories.
The rest are just hungry for some real news and some truth and some relief from British rule.
Even I can figure that out.
When Negroponte comes out of the swimming pool and then the steam room, let’s ask him – what part of “The Army is broken” don’t you understand?
Today Rayne had a comment about how she had called Levin’s office and the staffer told her to look for the Specter-Levin amendment on line. She had looked and it was not anywhere.
I thought to myself, wow– what an assumption and answer. The staffer had no knowledge of the text and sent her on line. Lots of people can’t/won’t/don’t have access to the internet. That’s a huge obstacle realistically and psychologically and an easy out for a flippant staffer. It is a way to throw up obstacles for the common man/woman so they cannot be involved or informed even when they try.
Jennifer Nix — you know, I think Perry was WAY off the mark on his “bloggers not kingmakers” comment.
Two words: HOWARD DEAN.
The power of blogs escalated him to a lead during the primaries, although it could not be sustained because of inadequate ground game and a combination of media and intra-party backstabbing.
But bloggers did provide the leverage he needed to become the chairman of the DNC.
The folks who were hard-core Deaniacs were overwhelmingly better read, more internet-savvy than the rest of their party counterparts; it’s what enabled them to organize and get Dean elected to the chairmanship, in spite of their less-than-critical mass within the party.
We Deaniacs — and our counterparts in MoveOn — have been steadily working towards building upon that strength, while organizing from the inside out inside the party. We’ve turned on many of the folks with whom we work in the grassroots to reading blogs, and even turn them into bloggers as well. It’s cultural change, which doesn’t come as rapidly as we like, but it is gradually becoming the community infrastructure we’ve been missing that our opponents supply through their fundamentalist churches.
We are kingmakers, we bloggers and readers — but it is not what we set out to do per se. We are merely realizing what the good doctor Howard Dean reminded us: We have the power to take our country back.
If Perry was at all right in that incredibly cheesy and outright LAZY article he wrote, it’s that we are really something else, something entirely new that does not yet have a title, can’t be articulated. We are the birth of direct representation in democracy, we are its doulas and nursemaids.
Tonight I had the chance to coach one-on-one a candidate running for a House seat; I read from a blog post, pointed out the salient bits, printed it for him to put in his pocket notebook to use in his next speaking engagement. I dug up a Congressional District map, discussed the issue of gerrymandering in relation to current and future races, and what the impact of a population crash in our state may do to the electoral college.
I would never have had the chance to do this had I not been a blogger, who tripped on the Dean campaign, became a Deaniac, who in turn was coached by Dean to get more involved in the Democratic Party.
Kingmaker? maybe not…but find me a better word for it.
Good post, Jennifer! I signed up and was certified recently to be a polling commissioner. I can’t wait!
Cozumel @
73
Kudos to KO for calling out one smirking chimp defending another. No offense to real monkeys but its said that they like to throw their feces through their cages.
NorskeFlamethrower @ 70
Most importantly – he called Bush a liar and a COWARD.
Negroponte is the consummate cool, calm and collected lunatic.
Thanks angie. I thought that was it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 85
They pretty much all are until you rile them up a bit. Listen to Perle, Cheney, Kristol, Weyrich, and especially Ledeen. All very soft-spoken, laid-back, self-assured, no hint of violence, smooth as a baby’s butt. Not even a hint of wild-eyed radicalism in the bunch.
They all come off looking rational and reasonable because no one’s thinking about what they’re actually saying and doing.
I think they have to pass a course in it before they can appear in public….
angie #80 — and I am SO not done with that.
I am going to hunt them down and spank them for that. I couldn’t do it at the time, but you better believe I am going to have a chat as soon as I can get one-on-one with the communications person in the local office.
It was more important that I spend my time on my letter to Levin and getting it on the fax, outlining my reasons for rejecting the existing torture bills, and asking for any and all action to obstruct them or mitigate their damage, including filibuster, insertion of poison pill amendments, or invoking Senate Rule 16.4 if the opposition decides to take an end-run and insert the torture bill into an appropriations bill.
KO. Wow.
“It’s deep, and I don’t think it’s playable.”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
They have made us less safe but on the good side they want to torture.
If you want an idea on how far to the left we need to push things . . . got a newsletter today from the “grassroots” section of an insurance trade organization. It urged its members to elect a “pro-business” Congress, while warning that just because there has been a Republican-controlled Congress, doesn’t mean it’s been “pro-business”. Apparently, the last Congress has exhibited some sort of antipathy toward business, which need to be rectified. I guess all the R’s as well as the Bidens and Libermans still don’t add up to a majority?
I don’t know if you saw my comment earlier Rayne– I spoke with a staffer named Patrick in Specter’s DC office who denied the existence of any amendment by Specter/Levin wrt habeas corpus. Then I watched Specter at the National Press Club and he said he was offering one.
Where the heck is it??? I cannot find it. If it is “circulating”, why can’t the American people see it so we can advise our congresscritters how we want it finessed or voted on?
This government stinks to high heaven.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 85
He is all that and unfortunately more. Death Squads in Honduras. Two college friends worked with a widows group in southern Honduras in the summer of ‘85. The group was supported by the local Catholic church and a nun there. She started feeling threats so she left before the army picked her up. The leader of the widows group was the only one in it who could read and write. After my friends left, when they started hearing rumors that something might happen to them, she was picked up by the military and was never seen again.
Ya, Negroponte is a piece of work.
This is the letter I sent to Time:
Perry Bacon’s article says more about Perry Bacon and the traditional media than it does about the netroots. From the headline on, he ernestly attempts to perpetuate the condescension the MSM has for the net bloggers and to assert his self-determined reality that blogs cannot be that influential. The article reminds me of the business exec in the 1940’s who wondered why on earth anyone would ever need a computer.
All the code words are there: bloggers are “edgy, loud” and operate as a “gang”, “relentlessly derid(ing)” candidates they oppose, and, of course, “pushing the Democratic Party so far to the left.” It’s actually impressive that Mr Bacon (Jr) could fit so many cliches into his opening paragraph.
In all honesty, supporters of the netroots and blogs can easily fall into the same trap, triumphantly announcing the “new politics” the way dot.com entrepreneurs announced the “new economy” right before the bubble burst.
The essence is this–blogs and the net represent a new form of political communication. Information can be spread quickly across a large network, linking widely scattered groups and individuals who might share a common purpose. Statements, speeches, and political ads are almost instantly available across the net. This means that politicians who try to BS their way past the voters are going to get caught. This also means that individuals can find out that many others support their candidate thus be emboldened to work harder.
The biggest mistake is to see progressive blogs or net organizers as a monolithic institution, or as cut from the same cloth. The inherent democracy of the internet insures that there will be as many different opinions as there are blogs. For every strident leftist, there are moderates, progressives, and even conservatives. For every well-known site such as dailykos, there are millions of anonymous individuals, picking and choosing from the information to which they now have access to act on the issues and for the candidates that are important to them. Or, people will become energized because of the information they have sought out, and will get involved with more traditional organizations.
Only a traditional media that has allowed itself to be cowed and coopted by the Republican administration would characterize liberal/progressive blogs as pushing the Democratic party to the extreme left. According to current polls, most of the social and political opinions espoused by progressive blogs are solidly in the mainstream for most Americans. The fact that this seems “radical” to you, just shows your capitulation to right wing talking points.
People forget that the right wing started this process years ago. Only they used talk radio and a network of conservative, evangelical religious organizations.
Where this will all lead, no one knows. The availability of this network of rapid and personal communication means that the use of the internet as a political organizing tool will continue to evolve. To try and predict the future or to say that the “netroots hit their limits” is wonderfully short sighted.
Batiste made it clear today that the “new rules” have made us so much less safe… we killed and tortured and imprisoned so many.
So many were innocent he said.
angie #91,
I look through Thomas to see if I can find a Specter amendment but an amendment usually has to be read into the Congressional Record and is part of the daily proceedings. Specter may have an amendment that he is working on but that he has not yet put into the record.
Hugh @ 90
WTF is up with Negroponte anyway? Isn’t his position supposed to be NON partisan? You wouldn’t catch Mueller weighing in with crap like that, ever
Rick Gerwin, I love you.
angie @ 94
In Bushworld this reinforces his rationale to get us more fearful — there more terrorists now, ya’ll got to be more fearful so I can create more terrorists and you will be getting even more fearful and vote for my brother in ‘08.
now you owe lunatics an apology
he is a godless killing machine. he can and has condemned thousands of innocents to horrible deaths just as easily as a Mobster pushing a button on a single hit – without any changes to BP or heartrate
Hugh, I looked there too, but the CCR and TPM says it exists. Now, if the CCR is urging us to call and support it, I kinda want to see it.
http://www.democracyinaction.o…..n_KEY=5215
Cozumel @ 96
DNI is a cabinet position, so, by definition, it’s partisan. (That’s one of the very great wrongs the 9/11 commission perpetrated on the public by insisting on that additional layer of bureaucracy and another cabinet official to lead it.)
Mueller is head of the FBI, which is supposed to be non-partisan (gentle guffawing in the background as accompaniment, please).
Rick Gerwin,
can I carry your laptop for you ?
dead solid perfect.
I can’t get the KO video at Crooks&Liars to play. Has anyone else had better luck?
angie #91 — in the software industry we call this stuff “vaporware”.
Rumors and fluff. Hot air. The stuff of dreams. That’s what I think this is.
Until I actually get a copy of the text, there is NO Specter-Levin amendment.
And I have a feeling somebody sent us chasing after it, to keep us from actually watching the Torture Bills themselves — and perhaps at least one party wanted us to look for it because believing they were involved made them look good [Specter].
I think I’m going to send a revised version of the letter I sent this morning to Levin to both Reps. John Conyers and Sander Levin (Carl’s brother). I’m going to ask them to do some maneuvering with HR 5122, the appropriations bill for 2007. We’ve got nothing to lose at this point.
Really, think about it: the flimsy terminology that defines “terrorist” in S.3901 means that any single one of us could be labeled a “terrorist”. Color me highly motivated.
guffaw, guffaw, guffaw. (shhh)
bless you Rayne.
montag @ 102
Thanks, I didn’t know it was cabinet position It’s still BS.
Mueller Rocks!
*ducking*
AZ Matt @ 92
It was my misfortune to be in Honduras, (San Pedro Sula , etc.) and Guatemala during Negroponte’s reign. I will never ever forget some of the things I saw there. I left my heart in Honduras. And some one of these days I shall go back. No doubt about it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 108
how very sad this is. Criminals keep getting promoted in this government. And to think people doubt and demonize Hugo Chavez…when he says we tried to assassinate him etc.
@104 I think the servers have been overloaded. I finally got QT to play..KO un-fucking believable.
neurophius @ 103
No, it won’t load for me either. I think they got slammed.
meta @ 111
not me either, but I can wait. yay. :)
How pathetic is this….?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…../20…
Cheney Accuses Democrats of ‘Defeatism’
By SCOTT BAUER
The Associated Press
Monday, September 25, 2006; 7:10 PM
MILWAUKEE — Vice President Dick Cheney said Monday that Democratic leaders aren’t doing enough to fight terrorism and said Americans must “reject any strategy of resignation and defeatism in the face of determined enemies.”
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“We have to stay on the offensive until the danger to civilization is removed,” Cheney told about 110 people at the Pfister Hotel in downtown Milwaukee.
Cheney attacked Democrats for turning their backs on Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., after his loss in the primary to anti-war candidate Ned Lamont.
He took Democratic Party chairman Howard Dean to task for saying the capture of Saddam Hussein has not made America safer and accused Dean and Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., of advocating what Cheney called a failed policy of retreat in the war against terrorism.
The vice president chided Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada for opposing the Patriot Act and suggesting the U.S. should not have invaded Iraq, even if it meant leaving Saddam in power.
If I didn’t know better, I’d say the bandwidth demand for that KO clip has singed the toobz badly.
Everything’s loadly slowly at DKos now.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 107
Neer got to Honduras myself, served in the Peace Corps in Costa Rica when the crop in Nicaragua was going on and the CIA was using landing strips in Costa Rica. It was interesting to hear Central American opinions on all of this.
I love Costa Rica…
I never spent much time in Honduras or anywhere else in Central America. But the people and the landscape of CR. Magnificent in every way.
angie @ 111
I downloaded the file to play independently (so I can load it on my ipod) and it plays fine. The load of everyone going to it is probably overloading the servers.
I have a feeling KO’s upcoming book club make get a record number of posts at FDL! My book better get here soon!
angie @ 115
I love Costa Rica so much I got married to a lovely Costa Rican on a beach at sunset in Costa Rica.
Truthfully, I think the one of the first times that I smelled a rat with this administration was when I saw the re-appearence of Elliott, Poindexter, Negroponte, etc.
oooh, AZ Matt.
I have been lucky to travel a lot in my life. When I saw and experienced Costa Rica, it took my breath away. The gentle natures and nurturing ways of the people, no guns, a magical country.
I dream of taking those I love with me and finding a little spot and building a hacienda and just living right there.
RevDeb @ 116
I got to it as soon as it was up. He was in great form and really threw down the gaunlet to the Bushies and the Foxies. Good thing Fox has security guards protecting the offspring of Mike Wallace(hard to believe) nad Bill O’Loofah or they would wet their shorts.
just in case y’all haven’t seen it -
Stirling Newberry fries up some Bacon
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/co….._with_that
Jennifer, I got caught up (and still am) in “Studio 60.” I swear everyone here should watch this, it’s like the rebirth of Saturday Night Live after their muzzling after 9/11. And the discussion of censorship by groups threatening to boycott…wow. It’s the whole media issue being played out.
Anyway, I’m heartened to hear that you’re feeling more upbeat now. Yes, everything you mention is all good and that’s the way these things proceed naturally.
I don’t know how many people I’ve gotten to “touch” the blogs simply via link, or action prompt, a million little things really.
So while the grander notions on big scale activities can maybe do more in less time, do believe that regardless of big actions, like many other things the blogs will eventually get more attention and more understanding in one of the simplest albeit maybe slower ways, virally.
And we are all hosts. :)
angie @ 120
She is moving up here for now but I plan on living there after I retire which is too many years from now.
Angie–
All is well, I am chillin’ w/Dru–give me a call.
Cheers
-Cap’n (Arrghhhh)
Congratulations to you and your bride, AZ Matt. It’s nice to know you a little bit more. ;)
Save me a spot, for afterwards– you know when we fix our country here!
Here’s that address for this week show :
http://thank-you-keith-olbermann.blogspot.com/
I’m really surprised that some so called “liberal” talking heads are defending Chris Wallace (about 4 or 5 by my count). Excuse me?
I have a LONG memory
Cap’n Crunch @ 125
aye aye, cap’n and good to see you sir!
Jennifer @ 65
I think blogs are much more than a democatic follow-through on what media does or does not report. Who is more professional: Wolf Blitzer and Tim Russert, or Jane and Christy?
Activist blogs are a descendant of the Open Source movement in high tech. This is quite literally true, as Tim Berners-Lee intended the web to be a radically different open information management system. He wasn’t worried at all about security or commerce, he was trying to create dynamic transparency and a hyper-texted environment in which information-sharing would explode. To him, increased information-sharing meant increased accuracy at a data level. I know this because he told me so himself in 1989 when I was working in Switzerland and trying to understand what the hell he was talking about.
The Open Source Initiative employs Tim’s transparent engineering approach, which is now referred to as “The Bazaar” model. It’s an inherently more efficient way to make complex software because it surfaces and fixes bugs so quickly versus the old way, which is known as “The Cathedral.” It’s the software equivalent of the Protestant Reformation, and I was one of the grunts in The Cathedral (Microsoft) who were allowed to have input about the threat posed by the Bazaar and figure out how to respond. Our preferred answer (”use the better way”) wasn’t popular, because we couldn’t prove any business model for it would make as much money. Microsoft and a few other companies know very well how powerful Open Source is, but there was just too much money left in the old way for awhile. It’s not a coincidence that Microsoft’s stock price stopped going up as soon as that decision was made.
The media suffer from a similar problem. They make money by owning and marketing the news, not by sharing ownership of it. It’s still the old data model. Thus it takes them a comparatively long time to fix their “bugs,” and their QA departments are run by lawyers. Transparency is bug-spray to the publicly traded MSM, just as it is to our government, and this explains their attitude toward blogs. They’re know they have to co-opt blogs, but they can’t (won’t) give up sole ownership of a story or an office, respectively. Rather, their response has been to narrow the number of information conduits down in an effort to achieve maximum control, and to milk the most they can out of a system they know is dying.
I believe that our own Jane’s appearance on KO will be looked back upon as a significant turning point, because she puts a voice and personality to the blogsphere which almost perfectly captures its essence, a trait which broadcast media by its nature requires. (Peter Daou and Kos, for example, can’t do that.) What she’s asking for is Open Source Media, and the infrastructure required for it to run already exists. But that demands professional media change in a very fundamental way, in a way the corporations which employ those professionals cannot do without flushing their business model. The only “getting it” you’ll get out of professional media will be window-dressing to buy time, just as Microsoft and Oracle have done. Meanwhile they’ll do their level best to kill their Netscapes once they learn they won’t be co-opted.
When you start hearing about newspapers or media conglomerates putting Linux systems in, then you’ll know it won’t be long that governments will begin to follow the Open Source model.
a zero shrum game
SharonW @ 123
Saw it for the first time tonight. Best line- “we’ll be the first network to charge a chicken penalty”
for sponsors who wimp out under pressure from the wing nut astroturfers.
Did my heart good to see Tommie Schlamme & Aaron Sorkin’s names at the end of the show, white letters on black background just like WW.
Now TDS is going after Chris Wallace.
Go Jon!
dab from CT @ 113
Gawd that story made me laugh – they’ve become ridiculous – parodies of themselves. Even when the old propaganda, the old lies, the old “tried and true” catch phrases have stopped working and are just “trying,” they just keep at it – never give up, never change the channel. They take their supporters for morons, which they are. But now there are so few of them left…
I read somewhere today that Cheney had 125 people at a repug fundraiser – in a room meant for thousands.
They’re losing it – and they’re losing. Humorously (yet still dangerously) desperate.
I made additional donations to some ActBlue candidates that Howie Klein wrote about and had blog here. I am planning on writing letters to them to thank them for caring enough to run and to let them know the FDL and ActBlue made my donations possible. This helps to impress upon them that there is good reason to be connected to blogs.
montag @
87
“Twenty dwarves took turns doing handstands on the carpet …”
That makes a lot of sense to me. The effort to raise money from the rich led to the formation of the DLC. That kind of fundraising necessarily moves a group away from progressive politics towards the center and on to the right. Progressive politics has to learn to fund itself from the grassroots. It cannot stay true to its principles if it requires principal from corporatists.
That is why the most important thing FDL and the rest of the progressive bloggers have done is to support ActBlue. It records money that comes from the grassroots and makes it public. Our candidates are beholden to us, not to the gigantic accumulations of capital that currently dominate politics.
We have tens of thougands of reader every day. We have only raised $21,000 for Marcy’s book. We have to do more.
When I hit the KO button on C&L I waited for the file to start downloading and the “play” icon turned to the “pause” icon.
I then clicked “pause” to let the whole file download and had a glass of wine.
Then I clicked “play” and watched the whole ass-kicking rant without the annoying “buffering” scam going on.
Monkey? Hyenas? Don’t know if that helps or hurts. Whaddyathink?
Cozumel @ 129
Wallace is a tool. Another dynastic twit with half the talent and brains as his dad.
He’s George W. Bush with a microphone.
-GSD
Oh, yeah, things are happening under our feet. The new pushback from the military and the spy services is really strong these days…Everyone knows that Cheney and Bush are ruining the nation..Now to convince Bush and Cheney of what everyone else knows.
cbl @ 132
That was one of them ; )
THe Bush Comma quote is one that needs to be translated to a visual. Darkblack where are you? A big comma with photos of dead American soldiers — just hold something like that up at a Republican rally.
meta @ 111
Guess I tied it up for you all. I got through a little while ago…it just takes maybe 5 minutes to load.
Frankly, I’m almost speechless. Do watch it.
Really, think about it: the flimsy terminology that defines “terrorist” in S.3901 means that any single one of us could be labeled a “terrorist”.
Rayne, you are so right on that. I’m worried about what they’ll pull after the election … not right after, I don’t think, but next year, if we don’t take back at least one house of Congress. And maybe even then, if we can’t get some backbone in these people.
What is Bush’s greatest weakness?
-GSD
Everhopeful at 135
What really stuck out for me was the bit…”Cheney told about 110 people at the Pfister Hotel in downtown Milwaukee…”
I was at the Pfister Hotel in Milwaukee this July and 100 people in one of their ballrooms is pretty darn pathetic. (Of course, at $15k to $20,000 per seat, I guess it was worth the trip.
AZ Matt @
142
It’s already up. You all must be channelling.
masaccio says
September 25th, 2006 at 8:06 pm
There are people who won’t use plastic on the Internet. There are people without plastic or a Paypal account. There are people (like me) who want to donate and keep getting error messages telling us we can’t use plastic without a Paypal accouont. We’re all waiting for a snailmail address. When that happens – please let it be soon – the thermometer will jump a bit.
GSD @ 145
He’s an incompetent liar. If he was a competent liar we probably wouldn’t know ; )
everhopeful @ 133
RevDeb @ 133
Yes! Wasn’t it grand? This so reminds me of the science fiction writers of the fifties who told the tale of reality through fiction so as not to get blacklisted as Communists.
The last segment that had the actual opening to a “supposed” SNL show of “The Very Model of a Modern Major Network Show” was a blast. It was, as if, an actual show unto itself. However, by removing it one level into a show about a show they are absolved of any Communist/liberal taint. In essence, they’ve created their sci-fi world where anything can be said without risk of penalty.
Way cool. I look forward to the next episodes. They’re having the conversations we have been having on the net, out there in public.
skippy @ 54
Don’t forget their cheetos™!
Cozumel @ 141
Man, I was agog when I saw that! Nearly got whiplash from my double-take. WTF is up with Shrum?
GSD @ 145
His gross overestimation of his own abilities and consequential disregard for the opinions of others.
GSD @ 143
his lack of self esteem that has been transformed into hubris.
He is a lifelong and consummate failure propped up by idealogues (including evangelical preachers). Dangerous indeed.
GSD–
Bush’s greatest weakness is his fear of lacking confidence. God knows he doesn’t mind appearing dumb.
prostratedragon @ 147
That one is good, I actually saw the other night. I think if you put the faces of those whose sacrifice Bush is blowing off the impact would be greater and more personal. THe way the administration manages the imagery of this war keeps people from understanding the true lose we are having.
GSD: Lack of knowledge of history & Geography?
GSD @
145
Is that a trick question? The array of choices is staggering.
Didn’t see it above so thought I’d mention that TRex is offering A Chance to Delurk upstairs.
SharonW @ 153
I guess we have a “paid appearance protection racket” going on with the cable news. Sure looks that way with the Nasty Disgrace (Nancy Grace) regulars too on her gig.
The KO video is up on youtube in full.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4KgkrApJ5PE
KO’s full video is up on youtube
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4KgkrApJ5PE
Bush’s biggest weakness is also what has been his biggest strength…..
Someone else is now defining the narrative that was owned by Bush and comapny.
It all boils down to 9/11. That is the big push to blame Clinton, because history hasn’t looked at the issue out of courtesy to the grieving..that courtesy was ruined by the one and only Ann C—t-r.
Now people are realizing that Bush can’t protect them because 9/11 happened on his watch.
The big lie was making it appear on Clinton’s watch.
That is why Clinton is hitting this point. Wes Clark is too…..bam….
-GSD
WALLACE: Why didn’t you do more to put Bin Laden and al Qaeda out of business when you were President?
Right Shrum, et al, defend that. Oh, and when did you stop beating your wife?
It’s my theory that the blogs emerged because of the failure — the failure — of the mass media and the press– encompasing both their continued dumbing down of everything on the airwaves and the success of the Rove machine in skewing the media to the Right. They have redefined “far left” as the 3/4 of the country on the other side of the small group in power with their narrow range, who continue to try to simplify as they hold the lid on the bursting, burgeoning 3/4 of the rest of the country. Out here there are people with ideas and talents and insight of all kinds. It was not until the press had failed — by continuing to simplify they eliminated us one by one (Did they think we would stay there forever listening to nothing?) and people — intelligent lively curious interested people began finally to do what the press had stopped doing. And that is the blogoshere. That is how we came about. We were born naturally out of their failure.
>PS. I am a voting rights activist who attended many of the hearings pictured on this DVD. I am working for Bowen for Sec’y of State, organizing a phone bank.
GSD @ 164
you may have just hit the nail on the head, GSD!
Modem’s? How out of date is that? To anyone who is limited to modems, my condolences. If you’re stuck at the pace of the MSM, come on in to broadbad, the water’s fine!
I’ll bet the majority of the folks at FDL passed the Modem stage long ago. Then again, it’s not a suprise that the MSM still has it’s head so far up their GOP Master’s @$$es, that they can’t think beyond 56.6! To quote Bert from Tremors 2: “Is your head up your ass for the warmth?”
Enjoy Keith’s commentary while you can. If Tuesday’s WaPo accurately describes the new stautory definition of “enemy combatant” that was supposedly agreed on between the regime and the Republican leadership of the Senate over the weekend, KO will be on his way to Guantanamo right quick.
The Constitution of the United States, 1789-2006. R.I.P.
Interesting that when the traditional media refer to ‘blogs’ that they almost always mean left-leaning blogs. Back in 1999/2000, the right wingers dominated on the internets (Drudge, Instapundit).
I take it as an indication of the huge power shift that has occurred with the base that’s being built by participatory lefty blogs. Give yourselves a pat on the back FDL,lefty bloggers, and readers!
Massive change, when it occurs, is usually ignored or denigrated by the institution which is being coopted. The MSM is no different. The viral nature of the internet is not something most MSM outlets want to think about. It threatens the very way they have to think about information distribution. And it scares them. They perceive the loss of control. Like most things in life, it will become a self fullfilling prophecy.
NorskeFlamethrower @
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Good question/observation.
I’d say we can and must do both: work to innovate at the level of institutions and practices, as well as work to bring about change in what is already out there. How we marshal our efforts towards these two ends will depend, as Jennifer points out, on how much each of us is willing to push ourselves past our previous limits of involvement.
Jeffrey Feldman — thanks for stopping by to check out this thread, nice to know you’re on top of your game at the early hour of 7:26 am EDT.
;-)
MarcLord 7:58pm — I’d had to sign off last night before you posted; you make an important point about the rising influence of open source and its impact on internet-mediated communications.
For those folks not familiar with this seminal work, a link to Eric Raymond’s “The Cathedral and the Bazaar“, an online treatise discussing the theory of open source development. Perhaps for Jennifer and Jane this text might be of some help; book publishing has not yet become as open source as software, but it could become so.
What has appealed to me for the last 11 years on the internet has been its ability to encourage collaboration among disparate participants, as well as its ability to organically enable “swarms”. Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow — as are all corporate media lies and political propaganda. Traditional media cannot compete with these features, and they cannot yet figure out how to co-opt them, either (thank goodness).
I suspect that many peoples’ initial aversion to blogs is the word “blog.” It sounds like a place where frogs hang out. What an unfortunate name for something so vital.
I don’t know why but the comments wouldn’t come up for the previous post so I’ll put it here. I really resent the term “lurker” if you look up the definition it means that the lurker stays quiet and waits for the opportunity to do harm. Nothing could be further from the truth, I spend much time and some of my meager funds to support reality based candidates and causes. I get the feeling that I’m just not one of the in-crowd If I don’t comment, when in reality if I don’t have anything new to add I prefer to leave it to those who do.
john griffith — your point is taken about the term “lurker”, but unfortunately it’s now a term that’s embedded within internet culture having been used for roughly two decades, starting back in the heady early days of online BBS. It’s not meant as a derogatory term to you or any specific reader; it’s a term of art that was originated by people who would have been considered ultra-nerdy geeks at the time of coinage (when words like nerd or geek wouldn’t have been comfortable fits, either). You’re not part of an “out-crowd”, rather you’re part of a substantive majority, numbering in the millions and possibly tens of millions.
Uncle Bug — ditto for you; “web log” became “blog” as so many phrases before have become slang phrases. Younger folks for the most part don’t bat an eye over the word, but many of them don’t realize that the origin of the phrase “web log” actually rose from log records of server and network activity. I suspect we would have had to invent a word for this if it didn’t emerge on its own.
Rayne et al @174-177,
The platform preconfigures the media, and this is New Media, in which “Blog” and “lurker” are good words. Agreed, they’re not good words in the Old Media, but we can’t get out by re-tracing our steps, we can’t even go back to where we came from.