
Some of you might have noticed, or not, that Sidney Blumenthal's book is published by Princeton University Press. One of the nice things about buying a book from a university press is that you're almost guaranteed that the manuscript has been read by several experts in the field who certify that it is more or less bullshit-free--and that, if it is overly apportioned with bullshit, the manuscript is sent back to the author for further revision and another round of bullshit detection. This process they call "peer review." For Blumenthal's How Bush Rules, I was chosen by Princeton UP as one of the peers.
This was overly flattering. I am no peer to Sidney Blumenthal. He had been, in the past, one of the nation's most distinguished campaign journalists (his book Pledging Allegiance: The Last Campaign of the Cold War--about how the two less-than-heavyweights contending for the presidency in 1988 punted on the chance to shape a novel politics responsive to the radical geopolitical changes then electrifying the world--well displays what made his work in this field special: literary sophistication, historical erudition, and thematic depth). Then, he was the distinguished White House correspondent for the New Yorker. He jumped ship in 1997 -- it was quite controversial at the time; it's something the Firedoglakers might want to ask him about next week -- and joined the Clinton White House. His ringside seat for the ensuing Clinton wars lent a special sharpness to his book called, well, The Clinton Wars. Among other things, Sidney Blumenthal brought to bear an unflinching understanding of the malignant sociology of the modern right wing. (He wrote a book about that too, by the way: 1988's Rise of the Counter Establishment: From Conservative Ideology to Political Power.)
These days he occupies an absolutely fascinating, and nearly unique, position. We netroots partisans (I count myself among your number) are, constitutionally, outsiders to the Beltway culture of go-along-to-get-along. We are moralist and idealists, but also, unlike the torture-compromising clowns running our hate-to-love-it-love-to-hate-it Democratic Party, scrappy street fighters disdainful of a political elite that values politeness for its own sake. Sidney Blumenthal is all these things, too. At the same time he's also unquestionably been a part of that Beltway elite. Inside the Clinton White House, he took charge of Clinton's "Third Way" initiative, an attempt to make liberalism less left. It was an ideological tendency that some of us might have found a little to compromising and polite for our taste. He is an in-between man. He writes the columns that make up this book I was called on to review from that perspective.
So what was my verdict? Not to put to fine a point on it, I said: one hundred percent bullshit free!
Well, I said a little bit more than that. For instance, quoting from my manuscript review:
One of the things that makes the manuscript significant is how it stands the test of time. Even the oldest pieces aren't dated: Blumenthal was reporting as outrages developments other journalists were either ignoring or playing down at the time, in their will to innocence towards the regime in power--things that are being reported now as if they were revelation. It is one of the things that will make the book book valuable five, ten, or even thirty years from now: it provides a record of what well-informed citizens could have been expected to know about the presidential abuses of power and when. Speaking as a historian of political culture in the age of Richard Nixon, I can testify that one of the biggest challenges is answering just this question: to what extent can you blame the citizenry for ignorance of what Nixon was up to in the months leading to the 1972 election? It is a real testament to Blumenthal's astringency that he can provide answers to such questions to future historians of the Bush regime.
I think this is an interesting thing for this community to discuss. It provides a platform for what you Pups do best: holding the media accountable. I asked, and ask: why was the Beltway establishment media so late to the table calling Bush on so many of the things Blumenthal understood when they were actually happening? Here's a homework assignment: read and discuss today's New York Times Book Review piece on this book. Discuss why Sidney Blumenthal makes the reviewer so mad. Why does the reviewer seem to so willfully miss what is fresh, penetrating, and, above all, well-argued in its presentation.
Like the psychological insights. Brother Blumenthal has read (and understood) his Shakespeare, and I'm not sure you can say that about, say, Joe Klein, I wrote that one of the book's key themes,
which I'm convinced more and more historians will be converging upon, is the "Oedipal" interpretation of the Bush presidency. To see it requires a depth of contextual understanding going back several decades that is very much in evidence here, as seen in insights like, "Just as the elder Bush picked someone [as vice president] who might have been one of his sons, young Bush chose a version of his father."... Also--again owing to his lively grasp of the psychological transit between regime sof the first Bush and the second--hisaccount of the bureacratic battle between the neoconservatives and Colin Powell, especially in the years Powell has been out of office, is riveting; likewise his point that Reagan owes his place in history to his rejection of his foreign policy hardliners.
He gets at some of the deeper structures of what Karl Rove is up to. You have to know your American history to do that. For instance, on the changing role in American politics of its biggest swing constituency: Catholic voters, I flagged
Blumenthal's erudite understanding of its importance in the rise of the New Deal coalition George Bush and Karl Rove have made it their long term project to undo, is the role of Catholicism in American political coalitions. His framing of the Hierarchy's motivations in all this--"Politics in red robes"--is particularly fine. It is "part of a crusade against their own declining moral authority," he writes, in the context of the pedophila scandals and the rejection by rank-and-file Catholics of church teaching on abortion and stem-cell research (and, Blumenthal may now wish to add, end-of-life care), and I am thoroughly convinced. It is typical of the most powerful sort of Blumenthal insight: quiet and devastating. His Salon piece on Cardinal Ratzinger, with its concluding roll-call of anticlerical statements by the founders, is an important article in its own right.
Here's another deeply penetrating insight of our author: the price of loyalty to President Bush. The closer one embraces him, the more devastatingly Bush seems to betray them. What's this all about?
At that, I throw the discussion to you.
Rick Perlstein is an author and veteran of the FDL Book Salon himself with his book Before the Storm. He'll be joining us once again here in the comments today.
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Thanks so much for joining us today here, Rick. And thanks for pointing out the lurid, haunting NYT experiment in having right wing lifestyle writers opine on serious, peer-reviewed University Press tomes. Their US Magazine envy is reaching critical mass it would seem.
To all commenters — please limit the topic of discussion in this thread to the book. If you feel the need to go off-topic, please do it in the previous thread.
Mr. Perlstein,
I consider “Before the Storm” to be one of the indispensable books for understanding where the modern — make that “current” — Republican party comes from. I recommend it frequently on comment boards all around the blogosphere. No idea how that translates into sales, but I do what I can…
Roddy, I hereby command you to buy and read “How Bush Rules.” If you haven’t already.
Hi Rick and thank you very much for being here. Sidney Blumenthal’s contribution to my understanding of this Administration is something that I value and am very thankful for. I read his pieces in The Guardian and in Salon and find an honesty and perspective that is sorely lacking in the MSM. I eagerly await his articles and look very much forward to reading his book.
I have a feeling that his take on the odious legislation that is being served up to us (God forbid) will be … devastating.
here’s the link to his most recent post on torture…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqa.....00,00.html
Kobe!
I’m just paging again through Sidney’s book. Here’s an interesting thing he quotes:
“Principle is OK up to a certain point, but principle doens’t do any good if you lose.”
Thoughts?
What a treat - Perlstein on Blumenthal!
America is losing because this administration is sacrificing all of our principles.
S Blumenthal, 9/21/06:
How do you think Blumenthal views the compromise announced last week? Or, if you like, what do you think of it? Has Bush won this battle?
Not to quibble too much, but Bush’s vice president chose himself. And I think the media’s willful negligence began well before the start of the national nightmare of the bush administration, and indeed, helped foist it upon us. Election 2000 was presented as “a regular guy who you wanted to hang with, and who will cut your taxes” against an egomaniacal stiff who “says he invented the internet.” Bush’s bio was there in plain sight, mediocre academics at the ivy league’s king and queen campuses, desertion from the guard during an ongoing military conflict, a resume that started at 40, insider trading, serial bankruptcies, figurehead on the Rangers stadium deal (who received a 6-fold increase in his take from the other partners, while son of the sitting president) and a turn in Austin signing off on what ever the lege haggled out majority votes on. The bullshit started well before 2000.
Kobe is a big Rick Perlstein fan. Just thought I’d mention that.
The quote at #6 is from Dick Cheney. It’s a bit misleading. He has had a definite guiding principle since the 1970s, as Joan Didion explains in an outstanding piece in this week’s New York Review of Books–the expansion of executive power vis-a-vis the other branches of government.
Rick Perlstein @ 6
Can’t swallow that. I immediately think of people like Sophie Scholl and her brother Hans in Munich, who were the founders of “Die Weisse Rose” (White Rose) society, a resistance organization in Hitler’s Germany — they were executed (beheaded) for their efforts.
Yet, to this day they and other figures like Dietrich Bonhoeffer are a dazzling inspiration to people all over the world. Germans, especially young people, love their story because the “Geschwister Scholl” give them an example of genuine patriotism and fearlessness in fighting for what is right no matter how dark the night in which that fight takes place.
Who is to say that “principle doesn’t do any good” if you can’t see ahead into the future to see where the sparks of your principled fight later catch fire?
angie @
8
America is also losing because our side isn’t willing to fight as dirty as the other side.
my thought is that it reflects a overy narrow understanding of who “you” is….in addition to a blindingly short term vision.
Oh, Cheney said that!?!
Well, that figures.
These sociopaths also say things like, “civil liberties don’t do you any good if you’re dead.”
They appeal to selfishness, first and foremost and always.
They have no time for Patrick Henry’s impassioned sentiments, it seems.
So I say, Give me Patrick Henry’s love of liberty or give me death!
Apologies — WordPress spazzed and put my name on top of the post when it should’ve been Rick’s. Fixed now, you’ll see if you refresh.
Following up on my question at 9,
I think Blumenthal would point out that the generals don’t get to vote this week. I would hope that there if this really is the schism he portrayed in his latest column, the military leadership is going to stand up and be counted.
Welcome, Rick!
It seems the democrats could fight a lot harder and smarter without getting close to sacrificing principles. Indeed, fighting harder and smarter might bring their principles into focus.
For example, how can torture make us safer if our allies stop or reduce cooperation with us because we are acting as international outlaws?
The UK, France, Germany, Spain and Canada have either apprehended or helped us thwart terrorists, but could be expected to stop cooperating with our intelligence and military if we flush the Geneva Convetions down the toilet.
Bush’s polices are bad because the are immoral AND stupid AND dangerous. We can appeal to pragmatists and idealists at the same time.
Lee Edwards, on a previous battle, quoted by RP:
“What we have here is the principled conservatives vs. the pragmatic conservatives.”
Where are the principled liberals? Are there any in Congress today who are willing to stand up now, when it counts?
Rick - Where do you see Blumenthal coming down on the principles v. victories debate given his role in the Clinton admin?
Except that Lee Edwards, like most “movement conservatives,” is living in a fantasy world. He’s quite the pragmatic conservative himself: he writes court histories of the conservative movement on salary to the Heritage Foundation.
Let me throw out an interesting debate that evolved with TPMcafe discussed Sidney’s book: is Bush indeed a “radical”? Or is he merely a pragmatist, concerned only with power?
It’s a deep question, as the debate on TPMcafe reveals.
Rick Perlstein @ 23
Sometimes it’s pragmatic to be radical.
Welcome Rick , and thanks for the intro. I have not yet read the book, but did read Blumenthal during his tenure at the New Yorker, and where I find him on line now. And it is my most fervent hope that the military leadership too ffurther endangering any of our soldiers who has the misfortune to be captured. I’ve had enough.
One of the nice things about Sidney’s book is its structure as a series of essays, bu then again, that forces the reader to extrapolate the underlying narrative arc a bit.
Rick, how would you describe the underlying narrative, the story here, since you write your histories so well in the framework of a larger storytelling enterprise?
[Mod note: This belongs in anothe thread. Please keep on topic here]
W - power v. radical?
I tend to think that W is just a figurehead for a power hungry “cabal.” Radical to me implies principles and I don’t see this admin as being concerned with any principles beyond total power and the resulting profits.
Then again, I’ve always been a proud radical so I don’t want to associate the term with them.
Guitar Playing Bastard @ 14
I have to disagree that the way to win the war on terror is to compete in a race to the bottom. You should study history and how the US finally overcame the repressive Soviet regime. It was by being the example of freedom that the Soviets could not compete with.
Bush has taken this country in the WRONG direction.
Siun at 22: You’ll have to ask Sidney! It’s a great question. In the Clinton administration, he worked closely with Blair and “New Labor.” And yet he writes devestatingly about Blair in the book.
I know where I come down on the issue: the problem with those who identify themselves with “the center” is that same problem as the person who tries to balance himself in the middle of a seesaw: it’s a very precarious position. You cannot set the agenda; you can only respond to it. When the center moves to the right, you have to shift your weight to the right–as indeed Blair did, quite able, when the power center shifted from Clinton to Bush.
The question is: is Blair the problem? Or is the very notion of hugging “the center” the problem? Does Sidney regret embracing the “Third Way” as a Clinton staffer? Or does he defend it? Tune in next week, same bat time, same bat channel.
I think Bush & Co are both radical and power crazed pragmatists. They are certainly not the first administration that thinks that the Unitary Executive would be ideal and that our founders were too idealistic with their vision of a system of checks and balances. I think that they are the first to embrace the idea with such vigor and audacity. They have nurtured a never ending atmosphere of fear. Their loyal fundy base coupled with the corporate beneficiaries of this warmaking fuels and applauds their breathtaking overreach.
Pragmatic or radical?
My answer: fool. Bush has never had to suffer the consequence of his actions, and has “failed upward” his whole life. Bush will go down in history with Louis XVI and George III as inept, deluded rulers who failed their countries and their own personal interests in their drive for power, subjugation and superiority. One only has to look to his mother’s comment to a Katrina evacuee in the Astrodome that “This has worked out rather well for you” to see just how vile his formative environment must have been.
Rick,
The more I see the Bushies in action, I regret that the Democratic party does not have any leaders (sans the old Howard Dean) who have a penchant for winning like Rove and Bush does. The characteristic that drives these people is the relentless drive to win; their ideology seems to be secondary. Bush, I think would be perfectly willing to outsource any aspect of policy making to anyone as long as he wins and as long as he gets credit for it.
We as liberals make a mistake when we think that their conservative ideology means a lot to them. They just got a formula that got them to here; now it is too late to switch ideologies. Maybe that is true for most successful people - the content of their ideologies is largely irrelevant to them.
But as citizens we have been tortured by the content of their governing policies and as a nation, we have been diminished by them.
This is probably the reason why folks like Clinton (or any other Democratic leader) have not seriously criticized the President. Heck, the disgraceful Charlie Rangel even attacked Hugo Chavez for telling the truth about Bush.
So in the end, analyzing Bush’s philosophy or his mental make up is a total waste of time. He won and the Democrats lost (twice). And all parties know that. And that probably explains their lack of cojones in the past 6 years.
What a disgrace! Please share your thoughts.
Jesus Christ @
28
I’m not talking about the fight against terror. I’m talking about the fight against the repukes. Until we are willing to swiftboat and do the dirty tricks they’ve done to us, progressives will lose over and over again, and the repukes will laugh at us.
I’m fucking tired of being laughed at.
Pach at 26: Sid outlines the underlying narrative himself in the intro, published–for free!–on Salon. This is the link:
http://www.salon.com/news/feat.....index.html
Even if you can’t plow through the book, everyone should read this.
I’m with Suin. W’s just the front man albeit as petulant 13 year old.
Steve Marris @
32
I completely agree with this statement. We need to take the attaqck directly to Bush and QUIT FUCKING AROUND. Go on FTN or MTP and say “George W. Bush is a disgrace to the nation and has made the terror threat far worse than it was pre-9/11.” Attack them like a mad dog, attack them like a meth-head on a binge. We have to attack or it will all fail and we will have ANOTHER eight years of this fucking bullshit.
Is that what you want?
I’m gonna sit back and enjoy this thread but not before thanking Mr. Blumenthal for all his ‘hard work’ and brutally honest writings. An unrevised history will be kind to people like Sidney. (Bonus, this on the same day I watch the Big Dog take down the rightwing noise machine!)
Let’s talk about the word “radical.” My good friend Siun is proud to claim the label for herself. Sidney, in the very title of his book, seems to suggest the word as an insult. What’s going on here? Is “radicalism” inherently a bad thing? The New York Times book review, Ms. Senior, certainly seems to dismiss Blumenthal as a “radical” not worth paying attention to. What’s going on here? Can a president be both simultaneously “radical” and great?
“Here’s another deeply penetrating insight of our author: the price of loyalty to President Bush. The closer one embraces him, the more devastatingly Bush seems to betray them. What’s this all about?”
Bush is a bully. Like all bullies the more power he has the more he (usually a male) uses it to cut down others. Like women and children abusers. Like robbers who inflict pain on their victims after they get their wallet. Like those who kill animals slowly for kicks.
It almost seems that the very concept — How Bush Rules — presupposes that Bush is the guiding intellect in the Bush Administration. I’ve never thought that was true.
IMO, the presence of Cheney/Rummy and their neocon enablers (Addington, Wolfowitz, et al) suggests they are the guiding force for a belligerent foreign policy premised on the desirability of American domination. Did Bush come into office with that agenda? I think not, because his 2000 campaign and his pre-9/11 statements indicated more an aversion to nation building and interventions, with the possible exception of his unfinished business with Saddam, which was not necessarily linked to any larger vision. The various mutations of the “democracy vision thing” came after 9/11, which seems to have given the Cheney/Rummy group an excuse to exploit Bush’s vision of himself as “chosen” by God to rid the world of evil. One wonders who fed him that view? Did it come spontaneously?
I think those around him cynically tapped into his religious delusions, and Rove simply said, “I can reelect this guy on the theme of the ‘war President.’”
How Bush Rules would then need to focus on those others, far more cynical and ruthless, who rule through Bush. And Bush is the perfect vessel for these themes, because he seem neither ethically sound enough nor intellectually curious enough to understand how he is being manipulated or to question whether any of it makes sense.
I view “radical” as a perjorative. At this point I would need to know a lot more about someone before agreeing with that characterization.
Having said that I “know” that ideas don’t come from the center. The “center” is where deals are cut.
Now that the “center” is as “left” as we get; we see Republicans in power cutting kabuke deals with themselves.
Loved your Goldwater book Rick and sorry I mispelled your handle up there Siun.
Well said, GPB!
yes; what scarecrow just outlined. That’s it for me too.
Rick — sorry I’m running late today (in-laws are here for a visit). This is a fantastic review of the book, and I’m so thankful you took the time to do this for us. Wonderful job.
Well, the definition of radical that I think applies to this discussion is this:
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dic.....va=radical
I’d suggest that Blumenthal uses radical in a different way - highlighting how far this administration’s actions are from the norm of american politics.
And awareness of that deviance is what is so striking in its absense in the media.
I think “Radical” is in the eye of the beholder. What one sees as radical, the other sees as simple necessity.
As far as defining yourself as “center”, “Left” or “right”… it’s frequently setting unnecessary limitations to your own voice. Simply be. Let the chips fall where they may. Of course, that may seem idealistic, but that’s just another categorization that only belittles the sentiment and doesn’t address it legitimately.
(…and no, I can assure you, I am NOT high.)
Rick Perlstein @
23
The two aren’t mutually exclusive–in fact, they’re closely entertwined. The radical completely without power is the guy on his soapbox in Trafalgar Square on Saturdays.
If one looks at Bush’s background, at his upbringing, trying to imagine the things discussed at his dinner table growing up, they show up in his approach to governance. He’s trying to undo the New Deal just as rapidly as he can, no matter what public opinion might be, and move power back into the White House by subverting the independent agencies. Some of that is Cheney, but Bush has to sign off on it all. I’d say that it’s not only the things he’s trying to do, but the pace that he’s trying to do it–in almost all instances, his pattern of action has been to try to blunt or short-circuit any and all debate–”just do it–get it done.”
That shows a marked disrespect for the deliberative responsibilities of the rest of government, but that, in itself, is not radical. The radicalism is formed of not only the changes he desires, but the rate at which he’s trying to make those changes, and the degree to which he’s willing to exercise and expend power to deny the rest of government a voice and to keep his own actions secret.
Taken together, that’s the use of the power of his office and the collective political power of his party in the service of radical change.
Jane Hamsher @
17
Yes, I thought right up to the end that you’d peer reviewed Mr. Blumenthal’s book, Jane. I was so impressed…and then thought, “she CAN’T be that old!”
Mr. Perlstein, welcome. My copy of the book is not here yet, so I’ll sit over here in the corner and listen to the discussion.
Siun @ 46
I agree with that, siun. Glenn G frequently talks about how extreme/radical the Administration policies are, especially wrt to the rule of law and respect for Constitutional principles, but the “handlers” tend to use language that wrap the extremism in seeming moderation — which usually result in Jane/Christy/Glenn expressing outrage over how lazy the press has become in not checking the facts or thinking about what they’re writing or saying.
I would argue that it was an unintentional delivery by Billy Graham. W. found “the Lohrd” after having a long walk and talk with Rev Graham. Like most evangelical ministers tend to do, end times frequently comes up in the conversation. It’s very easy for a guy like Bush to hear that kind of thing and keep it tucked in a special place in his psyche. Then you get a few guys like Rummy and Cheney running around talking about radically altering the world’s stage for the sake of Israel and that little package tucked away in that little special place has a way of coming out. Add a dash of Karl Rove running around to the evangelicals to get W elected and you’ve got a lovely little formula for a self-contrived messianic complex.
W owes his second term to OBL.
Of course he is a radical. What did he do after the 2000 election and before or after 9/11 that could have been expected based on his campaign, on the dominant political opinions and currents of the day, or on the last 40-50 years of history? I can’t think of anything.
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I don’t have a strong feeling about “radical” as pejorative or not, when used as an adjective. As an adverb, it is clearer, as in: “radically alienated from mainstream America”, or “radically Christian” in a modern world. His is a radical faith: if he believes in something, it is good; if not, it is evil. Facts are irrelevant.
Scarecrow @ 40,
I think Blumenthal and Perlstein give a lot of credit to Bush’s ideology / philosophy. Bush’s only ideology, it seems to me, is “I Win and You Lose”. Cheney and his enablers have been acting like rabid dogs who have the keys to the kingdom while the Dauphin boss has checked out for the last 6 years.
Bush does not care a darn for his policies or its consequences or his moronic followers or anything. We have ample proof that he does not care a whit about the country. As far as he is concerned, he won and the other fellow lost. And he was going to have a great frat party. And he sure has. If anyone thinks that he is agonizing about Iraq or Osama or any such thing, you are delusional.
Just this afternoon on CNN, he told Blitzer that in the big picture, the last 3 years in Iraq would just be a comma in the narrative of our big victory over terrorists.
So Rick, I would think that Bush even outsourced his Presidency to Cheney except when he could use it to have a party. I think writing books to analyze his Presidency may be futile. He himslef never gave a damn about “RULING”.
Lindy - Mr Perlstein is not *that* old either
What I love about Blumenthal is his willingness to write in sharp language - he’s not afraid of calling out the issues. Like his line:
Bush’s argument for torture is partly based on the unstated premise that the more sadism, the more intelligence.
That’s real writing!
and he digs deep - like Seymour Hersh as well.
I’m not sure I’d agree with Blumenthal’s politics (but I need to think about that) but I love his writing guts!
LindyH @
49
I think I’m actualy older than Perlstein, but thanks, Lindy, you made my day.
Here’s a sample of the pre-9/11 Bush, from one of Sidney’s articles:
“How bad is he?”
http://www.salon.com/news/feat.....ex_np.html
the baffle-’em-with-bullshit abilities of this admin are pretty astonishing… just heard on CNN that, in response to Big Dog’s statements re responsibility for 9/11, that they believe that the “record shows something quite different from Mr. Clinton’s assertions.”
positively dizzying…
Steve Marris @ 53
AKA…”WOOHOO!!! We won!”
“hrm…now what do we do?”
I agree…which explains why we see so much lack of concern at so many levels. The rampant cronyism, etc. They won. To the victor goes the spoils, etc. He’s always competed for a victory. Period.
W is pure unadulterated EVIL. He enjoys inflicting pain on others. And then he laughs as they suffer.
Chavez is right….he is the Devil. And Knuckledragger @ 31…don’t blame his mother for that. Always blaming the mother…#@(*$!
He put firecrackers into frogs and blew them up. He branded his fraternity brothers with hot coathangars.
The psychiatrist who authored ‘Bush on the Couch,’ called him a sadist megomaniac.
Now I know what I have been smelling for the past 6 years….sulfur.
Now that things have gotten so bad that the repiglicans have had to combine their two favorite bugaboos: 9/11 and the clenis, the big dog has gotten off his non-partisan perch as ex president to defend his record. Let’s hope he sinks his choppers right to the bone.
Slade,
I don’t always blame the mother. But Babs is fair game. Remember when asked whether she was bothered about casualties in Iraq, she responded that she didn’t waste her “beautiful mind” on such thoughts. Let them eat yellowcake.
Maybe that’s the appeal of Blumenthal - he writes from a perspective of the way government *used to be* and has not shifted his viewpoint to match the current craziness while most reporters (so-called) seem to have moved their perspective to match the latest fad.
Bill @ 52
And a little birdie tells me that Osama may deliver 2006 for him too. It is very important for Al Queda that Bush continue his War on Terror. The WOT gave legitimacy to Osama especially after most of the Islamic world was appalled by 9/11. The WOT is the only thing that is keeping Osama going. Iraq was just a lucky bonus for the terrorists.
Unfortunately, most of the American people will not see it this way. So does any of out Netroots efforts even matter if the American people on the whole see winning as a matter of national pride, even though they have no idea what victory would look like.
Rick Perlstein @
6
I agree with that. A principled loser is still a loser. A ruthless winner is still a winner.
I believe that to be effective, a President has to be able to send their best friend on a meaningless suicide mission, and then sit on their corpse and eat a ham sandwich — without being tormented by it.
Without that kind of dispassionate decision making, they will be paralyzed by the responsibility.
That said, there is NOTHING principled about the Bush Cheney Cabal. They are power mad gangsters — nothing more; nothing less.
Dick Cheney is an amoral sociopath; George W Bush is a hateful, spiteful, narcissistic sadist — who acts out his familial resentments in everything he does. George Bush is not stupid, but his willful ignorance and narcissistic self confidence puts our survival at risk.
If there is justice in the world, these monsters will be extraordinarily rendered, so that they might enjoy all of the coercive techniques that they say are not torture.
Does anyone else remember Bush arguing that we need to spread democracy because “Democracies never go to war against each other”? I think it might have been the last SOTU.
This surprised me at the time, because it is a reference to a long-standing academic thesis. Consequently, it stuck in my mind.
Funny thing is, things aren’t working out as planned. Israel and Lebanon. US and Iran. I wonder whether this isn’t another measure of W’s radical views. Does this mean the US is no longer a democracy, or is strongly moving away from being a democracy? I have felt this way more over the last few years than any time before in my life.
Thanks, Shrub.
Here’s the letter I wrote the book review after that pathetic review. Since they won’t print my letter (this will make at least the 765th letters to the Times that have NOT been published), I thought I’d share it here.
Dear New York Times Book Review Editors,
Your reviewer Jennifer Senior took Lewis Lapham and Sidney Blumenthal to task for not having a sufficiently elevated sense of humor when it comes to George W. Bush (Sept. 24). However, any humor about Mr. Bush—the bantam rooster strut, mispronunciations, fondness for demeaning nicknames—stopped being appropriate in about, oh, March 2003, when he involved this nation in a monumentally un-humorous war in Iraq. At this point, anyone who finds humor in Bush—a man who seeks to use torture and nuclear weapons as tools of his leadership—is, at best, a masochist.
Sincerely,
My original draft had the last sentence end, “and, at worst, a borderline psychopath,” but I thought maybe just maybe they’d print it as above. I’m sure they won’t. Hope Sid and Lewis are reading this. You got under their skin so you paid the price. But you knew that, didn’t you? Great work!
And a little birdie tells me that Osama may deliver 2006 for him too.***
Will he be cremated like Ken Lay or will he lay in state of confusion?
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When Mr. Blumenthal speaks, America needs to listen. The world should be all ears when Blumenthal enunciates!
Can it stay this good? Dean, Arianna, Blumenthal, and all the others. Chomsky would be good. Jimmy Carter and the humongous Dog would work. Really, we have such heavy weights in the center to left to progressive thinkosphere. The gravity of these people almost overwhelms.
Frankly, no, none of the netroots effort matters, as long as we’re not willing to fight as dirty as the repukes. We must DESTROY them. Whatever it takes, including armed conflict.
One of many Sidney allusions to the oedipal theme:
From:”Like father, like son.”
http://www.salon.com/opinion/b.....8/24/bush/
Phoenix Woman @ 69
Wow, what a principled stand Levin has taken! I’m sure feeling better now. Thanks, PW!
But maybe you have a point — I am out of coffee right now. Be back later…
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nice try
Guitar Playing Bastard @ 70
I don’t think Armed Conflict is something we should even remotely consider. Most of the Netroots are made up of flabby Nerds who would piss in their pants if Cheney barked at us. We should have no delusions about our capabilities.
What is required is to get a smart operator like Al Gore elected (maybe with Feingold or John Edwards as VP) and get Bill Clinton as Secretary of State. We desperately need Clintonto bring the world together and get us out of this mess that W has got us into.
Sidney on the women who surround/protect Bush:
From “Bush’s top female enabler”
http://www.salon.com/opinion/b.....index.html
Alan Bisbort - great letter!
The review is so bizarre - though reminiscent of the “feminists have no sense of humour” arguments used in the early 70s - you know you have hit a nerve when they complain that you didn’t make them laugh.
great Blumenthal highlights Scarecrow!
He really is a good read!
whew — just got back from that Salon excerpt of Blumenthal’s book. What a scary summary of exactly everything that’s wrong with this Presidency, from start-to-now.
Particularly galling to me is the shell-game aspect of W’s campaign’s vs. his “governance.” He never talked about what he had planned for this country, in any cogent or sensible way. I believe, though, that he does RULE, in the sense of approving programs and signing papers put in front of him — as long as the oligarchs and their designated minions on staff approve, W signs off. But he’s certainly not one to investigate alternatives or be curious about solutions, and this is where he’s radical.
Say whatever you want about Presidents before him, they were interested in how government could solve problems — even Reagan had to concede that, as he saw his military buildup as crucial in defeating the Soviets. But W, being the bidnessman-MBA-President, seems to really believe that monopolistic corporatism is the solution to our problems.
This is why he is radical.
And Sidney on Bush’s grand unifying theory of the Middle East:
From “Israel’s debacle, courtesy of Bush.”
http://www.salon.com/opinion/b.....index.html
I may be old fashioned, but I still cling to what some might call a quaint notion. That principles are paramount. Is not being bereft of principle the signature description of the Bush administration?
Steve Marris @
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We will NEVER get Gore elected to anything.
I may be a flabby nerd, but I would fire on Cheney with a right hand if he barked at me, and then I’d kick him SQUARE IN THE NUTS. I hate that son of a bitch. I hate all of them with a purple passion that keeps me up at night.
Are some of us saying that Georgie Bush is a “mommy’s boy”?
I find much wrong with the rulers right now, but what I cannot wrap my head around is how a preznit can admit to breaking the law so many times and not only does he get away with it, but the Congress enables it.
The lies continue to this very minute, and it is disgusting. But admitting to high crimes and misdemeanors? Nothing happens. Bill Clinton faced the most vicious outrage, now because of fear– these people get away with murder and more.
That’s pretty radical.
Extremely important — critical — week coming up. Congress adjourns on the 30th. The “Bush Torture Indemnity” bills now in play in Congress still contain language [1] permitting Bush to interpret our Geneva obligations, [2] put Geneva out of reach of detainees in any event, and [3] provide retroactive absolution for torture thus far authorized and perpetrated.
I’ve posted the Senate and House “compromise” bills that were offered up Friday here:
http://www.bgladd.com/King_George
That fact that they remain unconstitutional** matters little. Bush is playing for time (which he hopes will get him the 5th Supreme Court vote he needs to validate him as King and keep him out of the dock in The Hague).
** Article III, Section 2. The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;–to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;–to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;–to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;–to controversies between two or more states;–between a state and citizens of another state;–between citizens of different states;–between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.
TeddySanFran — yes, I agree that is what defines his Administration as “radical.” And he has allowed his handlers to surround him with truly radical people. After Cheney, Addington, Haynes, Yoo are certaintly radical in the extreme. The fundee and/or pro-laissez faire business appointments throughout government agenies whose jobs are to regulate business excesses are certainly radical. Bolton is clearly radical. And the moronic appointments to CPB and its effects on PBS and Public Radio have certainly been radical.
At the same time, they intimidated and ousted (or outted, for Valerie Plame) the career non-radicals whose job it is to hold government together through and between regimes. They’ve undertaken a massive and thorough purge of rationalism and decency. That is definitely radical. It’s essentially a coup d’etat against government premised on the Age of Reason.
Sorry for the lack of humor, Jennifer.
scarecrow @ 80
Does anyone ever wonder what the world would look like today if former presidents Carter and Clinton had been successful in achieving peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians? I’ll bet this question has passed through Blumenthal’s mind more than once.
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Dear Rick Perlstein, my god, you are one of the smartest writers in America. I am so glad you are on our team.
angie — I think it’s quite possible that George Bush does not believe he is “breaking the law.” He has allowed himself to be surrounded by people who let him believe he’s on a scared mission from God, and is responding to a higher calling. It is a relatively simple matter for him to accept, without question, that his actions are lawful, because Dick Cheney, his real “dad,” and Addington and Yoo all told him it was okay and necessary. The man’s on a mission, and we, facts, reason and justice are all along for the ride — right over the cliff.
When have we ever seen Bush show any doubt or even concern that any part of his delusion is not correct? There is no doubt in this man. And if it ever lands on that brain, the effects will be ugly.
Darkblack’s EPU’d graphic graphic
darkblack @
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scarecrow @ 89
I believe that.
What excuse does the Congress have?
Like the psychological insights. Brother Blumenthal has read (and understood) his Shakespeare, and I’m not sure you can say that about, say, Joe Klein, I wrote that one of the book’s key themes,
I think Oedipus Rex is more Sophocles than Shakespeare, though.
I am all for doing whatever it takes to drive these evil people out of office. I am sick unto death of the Democrats being the party of principled LOSERS.
Never defend.
Never explain.
ATTACK!! ATTACK!! ATTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!
Scarecrow, thanks for all your great links to Blumenthal. It was very helpful for those of us who have not read the book yet.
Rick, do you believe that many in the media are paid to support Bush? We always think they are not checking facts, but could it be they don’t want to, or they’ll lose their income?
What I can’t figure out is how BushCo keeps seeming to course-correct, even as they plow further and further into disaster. Two weeks ago when Chimpy gave that shit-fligning speech in the rose garden, it seemed that finally the mask was off and we were watching an evil regime implode.
But then the media maintains that his poll numbers have inched up again and it’s suddenly business as usual as McCain and the rest of the appeasement repubs wipe their butts with the Geneva Conventions and hand the results back over to their Master, King George.
Are they paying off everyone in the media?
Rick, if you’re still there, I’m curious about the “betrayal” theme you raise at the end. What would you cite as a good example of how Bush betrayed those who are most loyal?
Putting his WH attorney up for SCOTUS and then letting here hang there while the right ridiculed her?
Powell — Bush sure belittled Powell last week, with a
strawmanfalse comparison between decency of the American people vs al-Qaeda.But who else. Everyone who lied for him and left got the Medal of Freedom.
OS — it’s all guilt; just covering for the fact I’m a wee bit behind on my Salon assignments. Like six books, all half read.
Dr. Scarecrow, I believe we may have lost the patient.
*places ear against this thread’s chest and listens*
I’m getting a pulse, but weakly. Get the crash cart. We may have to hit it with the paddles.
TRex — is Bush self correcting, or are the last remaining realists (i.e, the generals in Iraq) forcing that on him. What I find interesting is that they never say, “gosh, we were completely wrong; we need to do something different.” Instead, it’s always, “our policy has always been to adjust to the enemy’s changing tactics.” There’s some serious mental deficiency going on there.
They used to have that goofy guy as Press Sec who looked uncomfortable, even silly, lying about never being wrong or changing. He knew it and the press knew it and it was all in the family. Now they’ve got a guy who does it without the slightest change in brain wave patterns. He’s perfect.
Stand clear.
TRex @
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I agree with this. I’ve said it before but maybe it bears repeating. We can raise the level of discourse, AFTER we’ve won. But until we drive these evil motherfuckers out of office, all we can do is yap yap yap.
The Repukes are LAUGHING at us. If we were in the same room with them, they’d pat us on our heads and say “there, there, really, we know how to keep you safe. Have a Halliburton cocktail and relax”
We HAVE to attack. We have to swiftboat. We have to use every dirty little secret we can and we have to coerce, by whatever means necessary, the MSM to quit being a bunch of pussies. Jesus fucking Christ, all we have is Keith Olbermann, and who knows for how much longer?
If you do not FIGHT evil, you are evil. We have to take this to them, in the streets if necessary. I’m old enough to remember the violence of the anti-Vietnam war movement (and I lived in the SF Bay Area so I saw a lot of it), and if that’s what it takes, that’s what we should do. REMEMBER - Martin Luther King Jr. was a pacifist. it got him killed.
It was the VIOLENCE in the street that turned the American people against the war, that and the images of dead Americans on the Evening News every night. Of course NOW, we don’t see that because the MSM LIKES the war, they get better ratings because of it. So they’ll roll over and raise their arses for penetration by the repukes, because it means the repukes at the top of the MSM economic food chain get bigger bonuses.
I’m with Malcolm X on this one…by any means necessary.
3!
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CLEAR!!
(Live, little thread, live!!)
Darkblack - that image is devastating …
I suspect that Perlstein would see W as the betrayal of the conservative dream - but that’s just a guess.
On principles: There are principles, and then there are principles. One principle is not to torture; another, as Digby has said, is to use your indoor voice when you’re indoors. When times get tough you have to choose which principles you’ll hold on to.
Let’s lose the indoor voices.
On radicalism: As Billmon has recently written, radical has two very different meanings. The first is analagous to “fundamentalist” in the original meaning of the word before it was taken by a particular set of Christians: returning to a root set of values and principles and using them to guide new choices. (It is therefore somewhat different from the traditional meaning of “conservative”, which generally seeks to preserve a status quo than return to an original principle.) The second meaning is the more usual one, meaning attempting unprecedented, wide-ranging changes.
GWB has pitted his form of radicalism (the second) against what I think is many of ours: returning to the roots of the Founders’ experiment in putting this country together.
Professor Foland! thank you - that is precisely it!
and your description of the first form of radicalism is the one I aspire to … clinging to the roots of democracy and equality and justice
Scarecrow-The motivation may be what it is, the results were splendid: I read some Blumenthal that made sense in the context of this thread. There’s way too much to read now. I had hardly finished Overthrow when my husband showed up with the Free World Colossus by David Horowitz from 1965, for pity’s sake that is a critique of American foreign policy in the cold war. I am Waaaay behind on my reading!!
Trex at 95
Well, I think that BushCo directly pays off some media via the FCC, dangling regulations and ownership consolidation in front of their corporate clients.
But, my sense is that the traditional “journalists” selling their souls, especially broadcasters, have nice jobs in big buildings with lots of air conditioning and security. They get free coffee, and assistants, and are treated as if they’re very important. They’re scared by the BushCo bullies, they love their privileged status, as small as those privileges may be. They’re paid off by by limited “access”, by cocktail weenies, by the professional equivalent of being the cool celebrities who get to cut to the front of the line at the nightclub. They’re bought off by the minor perks of a TV network or a newspaper ID card, or of the average joe thinking they’re interesting at cocktail parties.
I think that the majority of traditional media people who couldn’t report a fact if it pinches them in the nose aren’t being bought off with lavish riches. They’re bought off by cheap perks and small egos.
Professor Foland @ 104– I have been trying like heck to articulate just that while cooking and watching 60 minutes…
you did it, thank you! It’s perfect.
I think that the majority of traditional media people who couldn’t report a fact if it pinches them in the nose aren’t being bought off with lavish riches. They’re bought off by cheap perks and small egos.
Sigh.
The bloodiest battles are fought for the meagerest of spoils.
Kids, I have to run to dinner and then pound you all out a Late Nite thread. If anybody sees Rick Perlstein, tell him I said thanks for coming.
Thanks TRex, looking forward to your post tonight.
How does Bush rule? The short answer is he doesn’t. I agree he is an ignorant, self-absorbed, selfish frat boy with an overblown sense of entitlement but it is Cheney and Rove who feed him his lines and corporations (and those who own and run them) that fund him and, in exchange, write the nation’s laws for him.
Bush just gives speeches. Remember the image they sold of him as the “CEO President” with the “big ideas” who left the “details” (like policy) to others? Where was Bush on 911, after Katrina? Most recently we found out during the conflict in Lebanon that Bush did not talk to the Israeli Prime Minister for nearly a month (and IIRC when they did talk it was actually Olmert who called him). What was Bush’s explanation? Condi is taking care of that. And as for Iraq, the neocon Holy Grail, after his “Mission Accomplished” moment, what has he had to say since except “Stay the course” on a thousand and one occasions? But beyond that what has he actually done? The answer is nothing at least in so far as governance is concerned.
What the Presidency has done for Bush is to give him a stage on which he can parade and boost his ever fragile ego. He may not know policy but that doesn’t keep him from acting the part of a bully. Rove and Cheney know their man. They pitch their positions in terms of good guys and bad guys, of black and white. They keep it simple because simple is all this President can handle. Once they have fed him his views they know his mulish stubborn streak and bullying nature ensure that he will hold those opinions until he dies. This is why privatization of Social Security keeps making a come back, no matter how many times it gets shot down. It is why we are still staying a rudderless course in Iraq. It is why you are either for him or against him. No shades of gray, no nuance, no compromise. Specter on the illegal NSA wiretapping? Warner, McCain, and Graham on torture and kangaroo courts? They compromise, Bush doesn’t.
And Karl Rove especially knows that this persona resonates with a lot of Americans who want to be told what they want to hear (regardless of the facts), who want it kept simple (even if it isn’t), who want to be told that America is the greatest country ever and Jesus is our Savior, and criticism like complexity is the work of the devil. Throw in the corporate money to remind other Americans how afraid they need to be and how strong (no proof needed, just repeat often) Republicans are on national security and Cheney and Rove achieve their goal of 50% plus one. With that they can do anything: illegality, criminality, a war based on lies, a city left to drown, opening the doors of government to be looted by their cronies, anything. These are people who bank on the stupidity, gullibility, and apathy of Americans to rule and so far they have succeeded.
I feel radical, oh so radical, I feel radical, analytical and mad.
wow, Hugh.
That’s one very accurate assessment.
(very well written, too.)
I just read it for the third time and am copying it with your permission for reference when words fail me.
Hugh — that about sums it up. Well said.
off topic:
A paid fundraiser–nice woman–from Planned Parenthood PAC just called and asked me for $$$. We regularly give to PP.
I told her no because of errors in places such as CONN, where PP enorsed “short ride” Joe. I read her the short ride story. She asked her supervisor if this were true and was told that PP PAC doesnt endorse candidates. I checked the google and FDL history, in case I had lost my mind, and informed her that they are totally wrong.
I said many of us are no longer giving to PACs for just this reason.
hi ho
angie, ditto on Hugh!! WOW terse and unflinching.
Thanks all. angie, anything I say at the lake is for anyone to use or make fun of as they please.
Hugh, Prof. Foland, and scarecrow. Doing the heavy lifting today.
Word.
Just the talk of legalized torture dulls my spirit. I want to fight against it. This move by my government scares me.
This time tomorrow Bush and Cheney may be able to legally torture with no threat of oversight ever again.
I want to scream
I do not understand why we aren’t ALL out in the streets screaming. Where did all this compacency come from? Where are the fearless? We need them all in whatever way they contribute. Personally, until 2000, I was an ordinary democratic voting soccer mom. Since then I’m a radical nut case. How did this happen? How do we eliminate such incompetence?
Yeah, Hugh. Feucking great.
I want to start a fight with that one. You mind if I provoke some low-info repiglicans down here in GA with that one tomorrow morning? With proper attribution, of course.
Sorry, I should have kept that to myself.
Hugh @ 112
snip
Well said Hugh. Rove reminds me of a paragraph out of a James Lee Burke novel when he described a dirty politician —
“But Bobby Earl is out there by consent. He has his thumb on a dark pulse, and like all confidence men, he knows that his audience wishes to be conned. He learned long ago to listen, and he knows that if he listens carefully they’ll tell him what they need to hear. Its a contract of mutual deceit by which they open up their flak vests and take it right through the breastbone.”
Eureka Springs, AR @ 124
why? we are friends and patriots here. share your fears and ease your worries.
OT — but maybe not. Something to read for upcoming threads — letter from Ned Lamont to Lieberman raising questions, in light of the NIE Iraq assessment. Contrast the fact-free form of government we’ve been discussing with the following questions, backed by citations:
From a David Sirota post at dailykos
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....17253/3670
*xyz posted that humdinger of a letter on the last thread.
angie, *xyz– good. I left a link to the spotlight on Sirota’s post at dkos.
Agh. Sunday evenings are hell. I’ve got a standing commitment as a board member to be at a Dem committee meeting, every Sunday evening until the election, in order to strategize the week’s ground game.
And these juicy gems like the remarkable Rick Perlstein commenting on the incomparable Sidney Blumenthal…so frustrating!!! But how absolutely wonderful that there is such a thing here in the progressive blogosphere, a book salon that I don’t want to miss!!
The challenge I have with Blumenthal on Bush is that I believe everyone, including Blumenthal, gives too much credit to a man whose entire life has been one failure after another. He may have bright enough and articulate enough to become governor, but every opportunity to speak publicly for the last 5 years has shown Bush not to be up to the job of the Presidency; he is no longer the person who was elected to the governorship of Texas, by far.
He may be talented enough to be a useful tool, but he is little more than a sock puppet.
And perhaps that is the real failing of the Bush administration: there are too many puppeteers using the puppet, and no on-board disciplined intelligence in the puppet itself that can halt the puppeteers from using him so shamelessly.
Norquist and his git ram their hands up the puppet, and encourage him to speak in anti-tax tirades. Cheney and his minions ram their hands up the puppet’s backside, and the puppet channels their belief in absolute global hegemonic power. Dobson-Bauer-Bozell and the Heritage racketeers thrust their grubby mits into the puppet, and theocratic policy spouts from the puppet’s mouth.
And then there’s Rove — the puppet’s pimp. Rove lives out his fantasy of control by selling use of the puppet; what a poor, pathetic excuse for a man, relying on a puppet to fulfill his dreams for him.
There is no Bush. There is only this construct built collaboratively by a collection of users, who only by sheer dumb luck have been able to cooperate this long by way of sharing the puppet; their interests are divergent and cannot be met by one puppet alone, hence the fraying we’ve seen increasingly.
What I believe is happening with the torture “compromise” is that the puppet and his pimp know his utility is shot forever if he is prosecuted for war crimes. They cannot permit it to happen, and the Repugs know they will lose the puppet if they exercise any shred of remaining morality.
Don’t ask me about the Dem leadership on torture; I think they are suffering from a gross case of Stockholm Syndrome, unable to comprehend or come to terms with the fact they’ve been f*cked by a sock puppet for nearly 6 years.
Hugh,
Right on!
Fascists don’t, as a rule, negotiate. When they do so, it is in bad faith. This is because fascism is a temporary alignment of stakeholders who buy into a script which is already written. Fascism is one-goal government, and seeks to trade ongoing bargaining for much higher temporary efficiency. Dissent and debate are thus utterly anathema to it, because all the fundamental decisions have already been made, and any energy wasted on questioning them threatens the objective. Dissenters are eliminated and debate is silenced. This is “How Bush Rules.”
Rayne– that is one well constructed and thought provoking post– yee haw right back at them!
yeah, what Rayne said…
Rayne — that’s as incisive (and eloquent) an explanation as I’ve seen; and see Hugh above along similar lines. There don’t seem to be any votes so far for Bush = an independent force/brain/actor.
I am currently reading this book and it’s quite the fun read. It’s great.
I do agree with the comment that the Bush/Rove use the ultra right ideas as a means to an ends. that to believe in it you have to have a belief or passion for it. For them, it’s only a way to get power.
I just have to say that I love reading Sidney Blumenthal’s writings in the Guardian. The Guardian is where I first came across his writings several years back. Ironic that I had to go to a British publication to read him, but given today’s media, maybe not.
new thread!
I do not believe Bush is a puppet.
Bush has specifically chosen to surround himself with the people he has all his life. He chose to willingly accept being apart of the cabal. He chose to be who and what he is. He worked and specifically groomed to be what he is, for decades.
Bush is no puppet. He may not speak eloquently, his speech writers suck and he’s most definitely a self-centered bastard, but he is no puppet, in my opinion.
Silver Owl — we’ll have to agree to disagree.
I do believe he’s chosen to allow himself to be used by a select group, starting with his beloved Turd Blossom; maybe we can agree on that.
We saw the real Bush when he effed up his debates with Kerry; he couldn’t rely on speech writers, couldn’t rely on any canned material provided by his puppet masters. There wasn’t anybody home.
You don’t like the term puppet for someone who allows themselves to be used for their own gain?
Maybe we can agree on a different label: whore.
LOL! Rayne, I was thinking more along the lines of homicidal sociopath that hooked with other homicidal sociopaths.
Well, Silver Owl, you got a point there…I’ll go along with the premise of a homicidal sociopathic megalomaniacal puppet-whore, servicing the needs of his fellow homicidal sociopaths.
Heh.
No wonder Jimmy/Jeff Guckert/Gannon had such easy access to the White House…
Knuckledragger @ 62: ‘fair game’….where have I heard that? Oh yes, I remember…KKKKarl Rove referring to Valerie Plame.
Two widely published comments from the horrid Babs and that explains why * is what he is. Hey, if you’re in the mood to blame a child’s behavior on its parents, take a look at H.W. Bush…a spook who was never home who enjoyed playing the Iran Contra game and was in Dallas on a fateful day in November. I could go on and on about Poppy * and his rotten behavior….but I guess he isn’t ‘fair game.’
I will go read the book and stay on topic next time. Sorry. But blaming mothers for all children’s behavior is just idiotic.
Geez…I should have realized. Just look at the name….’knuckledragger.’ Sorry I wasted my time and gave the dragger attention. Cuz we all know that his mother didn’t give him enough attention….
an ‘oedipal’ interpretration of bush’s so called presidency….hmmmm. imo, the ‘wannabe caligulal’ interpretation is more to the point.
interesting post. chewy, yah.
peas!
‘unified field theory of fear’….is that like ‘the protection racket’….
peas!
rayne @130, gotta appreciate your riff on the cheney-bush puppet show, and your commitment to your ’sunday service’.
peas!