Comments on: Screw the Kabuki, Let’s Kick Some Butt http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:15:47 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: digamma.net - notes » Shorter Christy Hardin Smith http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-307469 digamma.net - notes » Shorter Christy Hardin Smith Sun, 24 Sep 2006 06:02:10 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-307469 <p>[…] Shorter Christy Hardin Smith Posted by digamma @ 2:01 am EDT Democrats just helped legalize torture. Therefore, opponents of torture should vote for Democrats. […]</p> […] Shorter Christy Hardin Smith Posted by digamma @ 2:01 am EDT Democrats just helped legalize torture. Therefore, opponents of torture should vote for Democrats. […]

]]> By: janinsanfran http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-307460 janinsanfran Sun, 24 Sep 2006 05:53:52 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-307460 <p>So we are supposed to reward the enablers of torture? No. Can’t go there.</p> So we are supposed to reward the enablers of torture? No. Can’t go there.

]]> By: Sean-Paul http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-306892 Sean-Paul Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:46:20 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-306892 <p>Who knew doing the right thing would be so hard?</p> Who knew doing the right thing would be so hard?

]]> By: David Ehrenstein http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-306804 David Ehrenstein Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:54:53 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-306804 <p>Politicians will always disappoint us. We’re always in the position of holding out hope that they won’t, but they do.</p> <p>Read the fine print and vote when and where it matters, but there will be no real change without revolution.</p> Politicians will always disappoint us. We’re always in the position of holding out hope that they won’t, but they do.

Read the fine print and vote when and where it matters, but there will be no real change without revolution.

]]> By: sjvalleygal http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-306785 sjvalleygal Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:44:06 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-306785 <p>Late to the thread, but I have been out walking precincts here in CA-11 and just got home. Thanks Christy for reminding everyone to DO SOMETHING. You and Jane and Howie and all the people who volunteered for Lamont have truly inspired me. I have been walking precincts for McNerney (one of the Blue America candidates) every Saturday since the beginning of August. I can tell you we are making a difference. Today we had an overwhelmingly positive response from the people we talked to and name recognition was amazing. The first week I walked precincts, almost no one knew who McNerney was. I am getting excited and extremely hopeful that things may just be changing. But most of all, I feel like I am contributing and making a difference.<br /> The next big thing here is a visit from the Preznit on October 3rd to campaign for Pombo (one of the most corrupt members of congress) and there are protests planned. So anyone who is in Northern California on October 3rd and wants to protest . . . join the crowd! Yep, do more than vote. It feels really good.</p> Late to the thread, but I have been out walking precincts here in CA-11 and just got home. Thanks Christy for reminding everyone to DO SOMETHING. You and Jane and Howie and all the people who volunteered for Lamont have truly inspired me. I have been walking precincts for McNerney (one of the Blue America candidates) every Saturday since the beginning of August. I can tell you we are making a difference. Today we had an overwhelmingly positive response from the people we talked to and name recognition was amazing. The first week I walked precincts, almost no one knew who McNerney was. I am getting excited and extremely hopeful that things may just be changing. But most of all, I feel like I am contributing and making a difference.
The next big thing here is a visit from the Preznit on October 3rd to campaign for Pombo (one of the most corrupt members of congress) and there are protests planned. So anyone who is in Northern California on October 3rd and wants to protest . . . join the crowd! Yep, do more than vote. It feels really good.

]]> By: Oklahoma kiddo http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-306767 Oklahoma kiddo Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:23:34 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-306767 <p>Blair should have gone long ago. He’s no more a Laborite than are many of todays Democrats, real or traditional Democrats. For that matter, George Bush is not a Conservative either.</p> Blair should have gone long ago. He’s no more a Laborite than are many of todays Democrats, real or traditional Democrats. For that matter, George Bush is not a Conservative either.

]]> By: Oklahoma kiddo http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-306764 Oklahoma kiddo Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:17:28 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-306764 <p><a href="#comment-306757"><em>David Ehrenstein @ 157 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="http://mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2006/09/clintons-doma-turns-10-gay-marriage.html">Here’s something we should NEVER forget about Clinton.</a></p></blockquote> <p>I voted for Bill Clinton twice. But there were certain of his positions I did not approve. Now I am worried about Senator Clinton’s views on the Iraq War and the Palestinian ‘question’. The Senator seems determined that the Bush Middle East policies are correct.</p> David Ehrenstein @ 157

Here’s something we should NEVER forget about Clinton.

I voted for Bill Clinton twice. But there were certain of his positions I did not approve. Now I am worried about Senator Clinton’s views on the Iraq War and the Palestinian ‘question’. The Senator seems determined that the Bush Middle East policies are correct.

]]> By: sporkovat http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-306763 sporkovat Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:15:55 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-306763 <blockquote><p>In 2000, lots of people supported Nader on the theory that there was no meaningful difference between Gore and Bush. That’s looking like a pretty dumb call right now, isn’t it? Wouldn’t punishing the Dems for their incompetence by staying home on election day be even dumber, now that everybody has the benefit of hindsight?</p></blockquote> <p>Where was Nader in 2004? Looks like the donks managed to lose that one without any third party whipping boy to blame. </p> <p>Did Nader make Gore lose his own state? come on. </p> <p>Do think Lieberman helped out the ticket? come on.</p> <p>If the Dems do not get punished for their incompetence, and can simply count on everyone to the left of Dukakis or Mondale or whatever centrist non-entity holding their nose aand automatically voting for them, where is the incentive to get better?</p> <p>Sorry, but my support for the charade is permanently withdrawn- if even ostensible progressives like Obama cannot rouse themselves in defense of the Geneva conventions then they are not a very convinging alternative, sorry buddy I know the Cheney regime has worse in store but at least those wolves show their teeth.</p>

In 2000, lots of people supported Nader on the theory that there was no meaningful difference between Gore and Bush. That’s looking like a pretty dumb call right now, isn’t it? Wouldn’t punishing the Dems for their incompetence by staying home on election day be even dumber, now that everybody has the benefit of hindsight?

Where was Nader in 2004? Looks like the donks managed to lose that one without any third party whipping boy to blame.

Did Nader make Gore lose his own state? come on.

Do think Lieberman helped out the ticket? come on.

If the Dems do not get punished for their incompetence, and can simply count on everyone to the left of Dukakis or Mondale or whatever centrist non-entity holding their nose aand automatically voting for them, where is the incentive to get better?

Sorry, but my support for the charade is permanently withdrawn- if even ostensible progressives like Obama cannot rouse themselves in defense of the Geneva conventions then they are not a very convinging alternative, sorry buddy I know the Cheney regime has worse in store but at least those wolves show their teeth.

]]> By: David Ehrenstein http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-306757 David Ehrenstein Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:07:04 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-306757 <p><a href="http://mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2006/09/clintons-doma-turns-10-gay-marriage.html">Here’s something we should NEVER forget about Clinton.</a></p> Here’s something we should NEVER forget about Clinton.

]]> By: Oklahoma kiddo http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-306754 Oklahoma kiddo Sat, 23 Sep 2006 20:02:02 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/23/screw-the-kabuki-lets-kick-some-butt/#comment-306754 <p><a href="#comment-306731"><em>ccmask @ 150 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Oklahoma: It only makes a difference if Bush is trying to pass the torture bill knowing Osama is already dead.</p> <p>What I mean is that Bush claims we need torture to help with the War on Terror. The War on Terror began with hunting down and finding Osama. If Osama had been found prior to the 5th Anniversity of 9/11, and prior to “The Path to 9/11″ ABC movie, he will not be able to say “Well, we wanted to be certain before we reported his death”. </p> <p>Osama has to stay alive for Bush prior to going into Iran…I know the story may not be true, but if in fact he did die in Pakistan, it could explain why Musharref came for a visit. In an article Bush was quoted the other day when asked if he wanted to go into Pakistan to look for Osama, he said “We would have to get Musharref’s permission first”. Maybe the French found out about it….</p></blockquote> <p>Sounds plausible.</p> ccmask @ 150

Oklahoma: It only makes a difference if Bush is trying to pass the torture bill knowing Osama is already dead.

What I mean is that Bush claims we need torture to help with the War on Terror. The War on Terror began with hunting down and finding Osama. If Osama had been found prior to the 5th Anniversity of 9/11, and prior to “The Path to 9/11″ ABC movie, he will not be able to say “Well, we wanted to be certain before we reported his death”.

Osama has to stay alive for Bush prior to going into Iran…I know the story may not be true, but if in fact he did die in Pakistan, it could explain why Musharref came for a visit. In an article Bush was quoted the other day when asked if he wanted to go into Pakistan to look for Osama, he said “We would have to get Musharref’s permission first”. Maybe the French found out about it….

Sounds plausible.

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