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		<title>By: jinny</title>
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		<dc:creator>jinny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rayne #261&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seems to me that its rather “bad form” to try an assassinate someone - reportedly twice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Seems to me that its rather “bad form” to try an assassinate someone &#8211; reportedly twice.</p>
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		<title>By: oldtree</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldtree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 16:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;just my opinion, but;     any time someone refers to someone reviewing a film they ruin it and society.  reviewers are the lowest form of humanity.  they are patronizing little minds that don’t have anything better to do than to try to understand and comment on someone else’s work.  this is the same thing a preacher does,  pretend to understand something they are not capable of,  for it was created by someone else’s mind.&lt;br /&gt;
  Please,  reviewers are something we should attempt to eliminate in this world,  because their opinions are their own, and should never be posted, that is mentally criminal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;reviewers are people that do not have a life of their own, and live vicariously thru the work of others.  they have no reason to be&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just my opinion, but;     any time someone refers to someone reviewing a film they ruin it and society.  reviewers are the lowest form of humanity.  they are patronizing little minds that don’t have anything better to do than to try to understand and comment on someone else’s work.  this is the same thing a preacher does,  pretend to understand something they are not capable of,  for it was created by someone else’s mind.<br />
  Please,  reviewers are something we should attempt to eliminate in this world,  because their opinions are their own, and should never be posted, that is mentally criminal.</p>
<p>reviewers are people that do not have a life of their own, and live vicariously thru the work of others.  they have no reason to be</p>
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		<title>By: scarecrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>scarecrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 15:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-307627&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Christy Hardin Smith @&lt;br /&gt;
                256              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;scarecrow at 247 — hmmm, no idea.  But I’ll mention it.  I’m not seeing it — which browser and computer are you using?  Jamie will want to know…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Christy — I use a Mac, and Firefox.  Thanks for responding.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But at work I use a pc and Bill Gates, who provides less service.  e.g., I don’t get “edit this comment,” so it’s a good think I never make tipos.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-307627"><em>Christy Hardin Smith @<br />
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<blockquote><p>scarecrow at 247 — hmmm, no idea.  But I’ll mention it.  I’m not seeing it — which browser and computer are you using?  Jamie will want to know…</p>
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<p>Christy — I use a Mac, and Firefox.  Thanks for responding.</p>
<p>But at work I use a pc and Bill Gates, who provides less service.  e.g., I don’t get “edit this comment,” so it’s a good think I never make tipos.</p>
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		<title>By: jayackroyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>jayackroyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 14:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Shorter Jennifer Senior:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Okay, so they’re right. But do they have to be so darn SHRILL?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter Jennifer Senior:</p>
<p>Okay, so they’re right. But do they have to be so darn SHRILL?</p>
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		<title>By: David Ehrenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ehrenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 14:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Charlie Rangel thinks this is his country. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As history (both recent and ancient) has shown he’s very much mistaken.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This country is for genocidal white protestants. Everyone else is the “Third World.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Little Miss Sunshine&lt;/em&gt; is an enormous hit. Per-screen-average throught the roof. As an indie it’s this year’s &lt;em&gt;Sideways&lt;/em&gt;. But it’s far more political. In extremely subtle ways it takes on the whole neo-fascist &lt;em&gt;meme&lt;/em&gt; of “Family Vaules” and examines them in an actual setting. This means, of course, that the film does not attack the family it depicts for being “dysfunctional.” It functions quite well in point of fact, as it’s diminuitive heroine proves.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie Rangel thinks this is his country. </p>
<p>As history (both recent and ancient) has shown he’s very much mistaken.</p>
<p>This country is for genocidal white protestants. Everyone else is the “Third World.”</p>
<p><em>Little Miss Sunshine</em> is an enormous hit. Per-screen-average throught the roof. As an indie it’s this year’s <em>Sideways</em>. But it’s far more political. In extremely subtle ways it takes on the whole neo-fascist <em>meme</em> of “Family Vaules” and examines them in an actual setting. This means, of course, that the film does not attack the family it depicts for being “dysfunctional.” It functions quite well in point of fact, as it’s diminuitive heroine proves.</p>
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		<title>By: Wigwam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 13:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-307577&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ed*ard Teller @&lt;br /&gt;
                217              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Charlie Rangel on Chavez at the UN:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;“You do not come into my country, my congressional district, and you do not condemn my president. If there is any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not. I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Ch�vez or any other president, do not come to the United States and think because we have problems with our president that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our Chief of State.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Charlie, I don’t care whether I offend such a “chief of state” as W.  Hugo Chavez is as manly as you or I, I think.  Are you suggesting he can’t be honest and manly when he humorously presents  his continent’s concerns? Is Hugo supposed to STFU when he delivers his nation’s annual position statement at the UN?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WTF is your issue with this passionate liberal, Charlie?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Go hug Joe, Charlie, before John McCain leaves you sloppy seconds.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, as leader  of the Fourth Reich, Bush is Chavez’s leader too, but he criticizes the Reich’s leader at his own foolish peril.  God bless America.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-307577"><em>Ed*ard Teller @<br />
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<blockquote><p>Charlie Rangel on Chavez at the UN:</p>
<p><em>“You do not come into my country, my congressional district, and you do not condemn my president. If there is any criticism of President Bush, it should be restricted to Americans, whether they voted for him or not. I just want to make it abundantly clear to Hugo Ch�vez or any other president, do not come to the United States and think because we have problems with our president that any foreigner can come to our country and not think that Americans do not feel offended when you offend our Chief of State.”</em></p>
<p>Charlie, I don’t care whether I offend such a “chief of state” as W.  Hugo Chavez is as manly as you or I, I think.  Are you suggesting he can’t be honest and manly when he humorously presents  his continent’s concerns? Is Hugo supposed to STFU when he delivers his nation’s annual position statement at the UN?  </p>
<p>WTF is your issue with this passionate liberal, Charlie?</p>
<p>Go hug Joe, Charlie, before John McCain leaves you sloppy seconds.</p>
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<p>And, as leader  of the Fourth Reich, Bush is Chavez’s leader too, but he criticizes the Reich’s leader at his own foolish peril.  God bless America.</p>
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		<title>By: Wigwam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 13:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-307561&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;prostratedragon @&lt;br /&gt;
                203              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Good morning.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/r8389&quot;&gt;The President and the Law&lt;/a&gt;: a letter to the NYTimes editor from Sen. Feingold.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks!  I recommend that everyone read that short but to-the-point letter by Feingold.  For anyone who wants to read a fuller version of where this is all going, I recommend: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/&quot;&gt;http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-307561"><em>prostratedragon @<br />
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<blockquote><p>Good morning.</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/r8389">The President and the Law</a>: a letter to the NYTimes editor from Sen. Feingold.</p>
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<p>Thanks!  I recommend that everyone read that short but to-the-point letter by Feingold.  For anyone who wants to read a fuller version of where this is all going, I recommend: <a href="http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/">http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/</a></p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 13:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-307569&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ed*ard Teller @&lt;br /&gt;
                210              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-307566&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;prostratedragon @&lt;br /&gt;
                207              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Even more important and bothersome is that Young’s charismatic challenger, Diane Benson (http://bensonforcongress.com/ ), has elicited nowhere the interest from places like FDL (ET now huffs and puffs!) as her possibilities merit.&lt;/i&gt;—Something to mull over, eh? I’ll bet that as things have begun to shake out and we’ve seen successes like Ned Lamont’s, a lot of challengers look better now than they did when time was first getting pledged.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wrote a diary on the Feingold letter over at DKos, just because I think it’s too important to get lost in the Sunday brew. Hope I don’t fly off the page too soon!;)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/24/63138/2815&quot;&gt;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/24/63138/2815&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;pd,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thanks for reading my rant and for the link.  I voted.  preaching to the choir territory X 10 when I was there…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks, ET. ‘Tis tough to fight despair, isn’t it? See y’all—need a bit of rest.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-307569"><em>Ed*ard Teller @<br />
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-307566"><em>prostratedragon @<br />
                207              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>Even more important and bothersome is that Young’s charismatic challenger, Diane Benson (<a href="http://bensonforcongress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://bensonforcongress.com/</a> ), has elicited nowhere the interest from places like FDL (ET now huffs and puffs!) as her possibilities merit.</i>—Something to mull over, eh? I’ll bet that as things have begun to shake out and we’ve seen successes like Ned Lamont’s, a lot of challengers look better now than they did when time was first getting pledged.</p>
<p>I wrote a diary on the Feingold letter over at DKos, just because I think it’s too important to get lost in the Sunday brew. Hope I don’t fly off the page too soon!;)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/24/63138/2815">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/24/63138/2815</a></p>
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<p>pd,</p>
<p>thanks for reading my rant and for the link.  I voted.  preaching to the choir territory X 10 when I was there…</p>
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<p>Thanks, ET. ‘Tis tough to fight despair, isn’t it? See y’all—need a bit of rest.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 13:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ed*ard Teller — I understand your anger at Rangel and the other Dems who appeared to come to Bush’s defense against Chavez.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But here’s the problem: while Chavez is very much the kind of countervailing force we need to pull in the opposite direction against fascism, he could also be highly disruptive if he believes he has no limits.  What could he do to a progressive majority or a progressive president here in the US if Chavez did not get his way?  We don’t know yet, but we must tell him now that he does not have carte blanche.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And it’s simply bad form to be as openly contemptuous &lt;i&gt;on the soil of his target.  &lt;/i&gt; Period.  Rangel was not defending Bush as much as he was protecting the office of the presidency of the US, and not just against verbal attack now, but against other assaults in the future when Bush no longer tarnishes the White House.  I would expect similar reaction from any other legislators around the world if someone came and insulted their presidency on their own soil, regardless of how much the actual president is despised by their countrymen.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed*ard Teller — I understand your anger at Rangel and the other Dems who appeared to come to Bush’s defense against Chavez.</p>
<p>But here’s the problem: while Chavez is very much the kind of countervailing force we need to pull in the opposite direction against fascism, he could also be highly disruptive if he believes he has no limits.  What could he do to a progressive majority or a progressive president here in the US if Chavez did not get his way?  We don’t know yet, but we must tell him now that he does not have carte blanche.</p>
<p>And it’s simply bad form to be as openly contemptuous <i>on the soil of his target.  </i> Period.  Rangel was not defending Bush as much as he was protecting the office of the presidency of the US, and not just against verbal attack now, but against other assaults in the future when Bush no longer tarnishes the White House.  I would expect similar reaction from any other legislators around the world if someone came and insulted their presidency on their own soil, regardless of how much the actual president is despised by their countrymen.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 12:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Damnitall, we bought this f*cking party, we OWN it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just as Eli Pariser said back in November of 2004 - we grassroots activists busted our *sses and did yeomans’ work that the party failed to do.  Since 2004, we have worked our way through the ranks and in many cases, actually took over the entrenched old school party.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the work is NOT done; we are only now at the point where we implement generational shifts at the level of elected officials.  Jon Tester in MT, Ned Lamont in CT, pick another grassroots candidate…it is with the insertion of these people into more seats that we begin to undo the existing power structure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And THEY know it — both the entrenched elected officials of the old school party, and the opposition that counts on them.  They are scared sh*tless.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s a pointed example: Bill Clinton didn’t get his anger on until AFTER the grassroots rose up and created a furor over the 9/11 farce on ABC/Disney, AFTER meeting with progressive bloggers.  He could have come out the day after the program and blasted them, but he didn’t.  That’s because he got the kick in the ass, even if provided by proxy through Daou.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So Big Dog appears on Faux, reams that cheesy dork Wallace a couple of new bodily orifices, and lo, we are pleased.  But the opposition is terrified — enough so that they unleash the OBL uncertainty principle within 12 hours of the Clinton interview.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did you notice that at all?  Did you see that they HAD to change the subject?  Clinton was chewing up too much airtime, sucking the air out of their narrative — because somewhere along the line the Big Dog read the blogs and heard from the netroots that he must, WE must ATTACK, ATTACK, AAATTTTAAAAACKKKK!!!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WE took over the narrative.  We created the reality.  We f*cked with them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I for one am not about to give up, not even in the case of torture.  If anything, this is where we need to put on our very best game.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is yet another St. John’s Dark Night of the Soul; we need to regroup, think deeply but quickly, and get back to the game.  Because if we cannot master this test, we will not be able to handle the machinations necessary to purge the government of negative forces under a new progressive majority, will not be able to handle the the gamesmanship required to operate as an effective majority.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s OUR party, bought and paid for.  We need to act like it and start kicking *ss and taking names.  Right NOW.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Tomorrow morning I’d like to see calls to every Democratic Senator and Representative, telling them we need more and better tactical manuevering — like the insertion of a poison pill in a bill that negates the damage of this past week on the issue of torture.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Are you up to it?  I know I am.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damnitall, we bought this f*cking party, we OWN it.</p>
<p>Just as Eli Pariser said back in November of 2004 &#8211; we grassroots activists busted our *sses and did yeomans’ work that the party failed to do.  Since 2004, we have worked our way through the ranks and in many cases, actually took over the entrenched old school party.</p>
<p>But the work is NOT done; we are only now at the point where we implement generational shifts at the level of elected officials.  Jon Tester in MT, Ned Lamont in CT, pick another grassroots candidate…it is with the insertion of these people into more seats that we begin to undo the existing power structure.</p>
<p>And THEY know it — both the entrenched elected officials of the old school party, and the opposition that counts on them.  They are scared sh*tless.</p>
<p>Here’s a pointed example: Bill Clinton didn’t get his anger on until AFTER the grassroots rose up and created a furor over the 9/11 farce on ABC/Disney, AFTER meeting with progressive bloggers.  He could have come out the day after the program and blasted them, but he didn’t.  That’s because he got the kick in the ass, even if provided by proxy through Daou.</p>
<p>So Big Dog appears on Faux, reams that cheesy dork Wallace a couple of new bodily orifices, and lo, we are pleased.  But the opposition is terrified — enough so that they unleash the OBL uncertainty principle within 12 hours of the Clinton interview.</p>
<p>Did you notice that at all?  Did you see that they HAD to change the subject?  Clinton was chewing up too much airtime, sucking the air out of their narrative — because somewhere along the line the Big Dog read the blogs and heard from the netroots that he must, WE must ATTACK, ATTACK, AAATTTTAAAAACKKKK!!!!</p>
<p>WE took over the narrative.  We created the reality.  We f*cked with them.</p>
<p>And I for one am not about to give up, not even in the case of torture.  If anything, this is where we need to put on our very best game.</p>
<p>This is yet another St. John’s Dark Night of the Soul; we need to regroup, think deeply but quickly, and get back to the game.  Because if we cannot master this test, we will not be able to handle the machinations necessary to purge the government of negative forces under a new progressive majority, will not be able to handle the the gamesmanship required to operate as an effective majority.</p>
<p>It’s OUR party, bought and paid for.  We need to act like it and start kicking *ss and taking names.  Right NOW.</p>
<p>Tomorrow morning I’d like to see calls to every Democratic Senator and Representative, telling them we need more and better tactical manuevering — like the insertion of a poison pill in a bill that negates the damage of this past week on the issue of torture.</p>
<p>Are you up to it?  I know I am.</p>
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