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		<title>By: Hola Chavez! :: Updates &#171; Marisacat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/place-your-bets/#comment-305239</link>
		<dc:creator>Hola Chavez! :: Updates &#171; Marisacat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 20:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] Jane Hamsher at firedoglake looks at 9/21′a New York Times article reporting ex-VA Gov Mark Warner “has largely avoided Mr. Lamont, instead lending his name and fund-raising capabilities to races that are genuinely in play and have longer-term strategic value for the Democratic Party, like Representative Harold Ford Jr.’s bid for the Senate in Tennessee.” […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Jane Hamsher at firedoglake looks at 9/21′a New York Times article reporting ex-VA Gov Mark Warner “has largely avoided Mr. Lamont, instead lending his name and fund-raising capabilities to races that are genuinely in play and have longer-term strategic value for the Democratic Party, like Representative Harold Ford Jr.’s bid for the Senate in Tennessee.” […]</p>
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		<title>By: KathyinBlacksburg</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/place-your-bets/#comment-304995</link>
		<dc:creator>KathyinBlacksburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree –both about the “conventional wisdom” (which isn’t wisdom), and your comment about Warner.  I’m a Virginian who’s absolutely not for Mark Warner in 2008.  We do not need another DLC-type presidential candidate.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Moreover, his leadership is the opposite of what we need.  It’s tremendously discouraging to hear him use rhetoric straight from the GOP songbook (”We shouldn’t cut and run”), refuse to deal with auditable-voter-machine issues (he knows technology enough to know the risks), among other problems.  He couldn’t even bring himself to speak out against the war, until recently.  We’ll win with real leaders who run based on the courage of their convictions, not wishy-washy corporatists, who look past voters as they shake voters’ hands.  Talk about zero charisma!  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do not get this state’s hype about Warner (though he’d certainly be preferable to the GOP leading contenders, so I’d reluctantly push the touch screen if he were the nominee).  He’s definitely better than his Republican predecessors in the governorship, by a long shot.  But there were tremdous contrast effects here.  Both Allen and Gilmore had a devastating effect on our state’s budget, education, transportation, and other services.  Note Allen is now thinking he should be president and also running to save his own Senate seat.  Anyone who sees this guy, will see that it wouldn’t take much to be a better public servant than Allen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seeing all the active Democrats I know, one after another, line up to support him, without evening knowing any of his positions (because he doesn’t have many or well-articulated ones)is one of the more baffling political experiences I’ve ever had.  I think the “faithful” just want to be able to say they “know” him (ie, have met him superficially on numerous occasions).  Warner has gotten across the state to meet partisans many times.  It’s most likely the familiarity effect, a well-known rating error.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree –both about the “conventional wisdom” (which isn’t wisdom), and your comment about Warner.  I’m a Virginian who’s absolutely not for Mark Warner in 2008.  We do not need another DLC-type presidential candidate.  </p>
<p>Moreover, his leadership is the opposite of what we need.  It’s tremendously discouraging to hear him use rhetoric straight from the GOP songbook (”We shouldn’t cut and run”), refuse to deal with auditable-voter-machine issues (he knows technology enough to know the risks), among other problems.  He couldn’t even bring himself to speak out against the war, until recently.  We’ll win with real leaders who run based on the courage of their convictions, not wishy-washy corporatists, who look past voters as they shake voters’ hands.  Talk about zero charisma!  </p>
<p>I do not get this state’s hype about Warner (though he’d certainly be preferable to the GOP leading contenders, so I’d reluctantly push the touch screen if he were the nominee).  He’s definitely better than his Republican predecessors in the governorship, by a long shot.  But there were tremdous contrast effects here.  Both Allen and Gilmore had a devastating effect on our state’s budget, education, transportation, and other services.  Note Allen is now thinking he should be president and also running to save his own Senate seat.  Anyone who sees this guy, will see that it wouldn’t take much to be a better public servant than Allen.</p>
<p>Seeing all the active Democrats I know, one after another, line up to support him, without evening knowing any of his positions (because he doesn’t have many or well-articulated ones)is one of the more baffling political experiences I’ve ever had.  I think the “faithful” just want to be able to say they “know” him (ie, have met him superficially on numerous occasions).  Warner has gotten across the state to meet partisans many times.  It’s most likely the familiarity effect, a well-known rating error.</p>
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		<title>By: tulip</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/place-your-bets/#comment-304969</link>
		<dc:creator>tulip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 15:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-304095&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Twisted Martini @ 19 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;A spider and a turtle are standing by the side of a stream.  The spider says to the turtle, “put me on your back and carry us across the stream.”  The turtle replies “no way, you’ll bite me and I’ll drown.”  The spider say “no I promise I won’t.”  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So the turtle lets the spider climb on and halfway across the strea, the spider bites him.  The turtle starts to go under and says “what did you do that for?”  The spider replies,”I can’t help it, it’s my nature.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Joe Lieberman has been screwing his party for 18 years.  It’s in his nature.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Worst case scenario, imo: HoJo does caucus with the Democrats and, if they take the majority, he accedes to the chairmanship of the committee overseeing Homeland Security, where he thwarts every  attempt to investigate the Bush administration and hold them accountable.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In fact, there are many areas in which he can sabotage Democratic efforts, betrayal being– as you point out– his nature.  Seems to me he is much more use to Rove as a DINO– unless the Republicans need one more Senator for a majority– then of course, he’ll flip. It’s simply a question of where he can best serve the Bush agenda.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-304095"><em>Twisted Martini @ 19 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>A spider and a turtle are standing by the side of a stream.  The spider says to the turtle, “put me on your back and carry us across the stream.”  The turtle replies “no way, you’ll bite me and I’ll drown.”  The spider say “no I promise I won’t.”  </p>
<p>So the turtle lets the spider climb on and halfway across the strea, the spider bites him.  The turtle starts to go under and says “what did you do that for?”  The spider replies,”I can’t help it, it’s my nature.”</p>
<p>Joe Lieberman has been screwing his party for 18 years.  It’s in his nature.</p>
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<p>Worst case scenario, imo: HoJo does caucus with the Democrats and, if they take the majority, he accedes to the chairmanship of the committee overseeing Homeland Security, where he thwarts every  attempt to investigate the Bush administration and hold them accountable.  </p>
<p>In fact, there are many areas in which he can sabotage Democratic efforts, betrayal being– as you point out– his nature.  Seems to me he is much more use to Rove as a DINO– unless the Republicans need one more Senator for a majority– then of course, he’ll flip. It’s simply a question of where he can best serve the Bush agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/place-your-bets/#comment-304961</link>
		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 14:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This can be ignored or deleted.  Am trying to learn how to quote a specific comment, while giving the title instead of the url.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The egregious &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/4608/#comment-304455&quot;&gt;political report&lt;/a&gt; experiment.  Yay it works!  Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This can be ignored or deleted.  Am trying to learn how to quote a specific comment, while giving the title instead of the url.  </p>
<p>The egregious <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/4608/#comment-304455">political report</a> experiment.  Yay it works!  Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Olson</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/place-your-bets/#comment-304866</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Or worse yet, Joe caucuses with the dems and reports to the repubs.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or worse yet, Joe caucuses with the dems and reports to the repubs.</p>
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		<title>By: 60yoh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/place-your-bets/#comment-304337</link>
		<dc:creator>60yoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 01:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;me not tarzan, but you definitely jane.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;peas!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>me not tarzan, but you definitely jane.</p>
<p>peas!</p>
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		<title>By: angie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/place-your-bets/#comment-304287</link>
		<dc:creator>angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I did hear Rangel’s press conference wherein he lambasted Chavez more vociferously, but it was in advance of the remarks by Chavez at the church in Harlem, iirc.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did hear Rangel’s press conference wherein he lambasted Chavez more vociferously, but it was in advance of the remarks by Chavez at the church in Harlem, iirc.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/place-your-bets/#comment-304275</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-304253&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hugh @ 141&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is a deep and disturbing irony that our two main allies in the War on Terror: Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are its two main sponsors.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It takes your breath away just a little bit when it gets put down in words, short and simple.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That our top “interrogation” resources are Egypt and Syria hits a little hard too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;*******&lt;br /&gt;
alittlemusic - the only awesome thing is that FDL has been really really tolerant of letting me ramble, sometimes very long rambles, and I appreciate it.  Like the monkeys in the room with typewriters, I improve my chances by just tossing out lots of words, typos and all ;)  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hugh’s pieces on English as the national language are a pretty awesome though.  I hope they’ve been saved for posterity.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-304253"><em>Hugh @ 141</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>It is a deep and disturbing irony that our two main allies in the War on Terror: Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are its two main sponsors.</p>
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<p>It takes your breath away just a little bit when it gets put down in words, short and simple.</p>
<p>That our top “interrogation” resources are Egypt and Syria hits a little hard too.</p>
<p>*******<br />
alittlemusic &#8211; the only awesome thing is that FDL has been really really tolerant of letting me ramble, sometimes very long rambles, and I appreciate it.  Like the monkeys in the room with typewriters, I improve my chances by just tossing out lots of words, typos and all ;)  </p>
<p>Hugh’s pieces on English as the national language are a pretty awesome though.  I hope they’ve been saved for posterity.</p>
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		<title>By: angie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/place-your-bets/#comment-304274</link>
		<dc:creator>angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mary 142– he is such a fake but LOL to your question.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hugh 143– exactly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary 142– he is such a fake but LOL to your question.</p>
<p>Hugh 143– exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: John Casper</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/place-your-bets/#comment-304273</link>
		<dc:creator>John Casper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;new thread: “Who’s running the War?”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>new thread: “Who’s running the War?”</p>
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