
Michael Isikoff and David Corn made a big splash in promoting their new book, Hubris, by confirming speculation about Richard Armitage talking to Bob Novak during the week in July 2003 that Valerie Plame Wilson was outed as a CIA employee, and by revealing Ms. Wilson’s key role in pre-war Iraq intelligence (a possible reason for the Bushites to seek revenge against her).
But what you may not know is that Isikoff and Corn also pretend claim to have solved the mystery behind the September 2003 story in the Washington Post that seemed to break the leak scandal wide open with this sentence:
… a senior administration official said that before Novak’s column ran, two top White House officials called at least six Washington journalists and disclosed the identity and occupation of Wilson’s wife.
Due to the combination of one senior administration official (the Post’s source), two White House officials (the leakers), and six or more reporters, this version of events has become known as the "1×2x6 leak." On page 320 of Hubris, just after implying that "the CIA’s press-savvy spinners" planted the claim with the WaPo’s Mike Allen and Dana Priest, Isikoff and Corn write:
The Post story on the CIA leak was consequential. . . . But this pivotal article (written mostly by Allen, not Priest) was partially off the mark–due to a slight wording change in a crucial sentence.
In the paper’s early edition, the words "before Novak’s column ran" were not in the sentence noting that "two top White House officials called at least six Washington journalists." An editor on the Post national desk inserted that phrase to sharpen the copy and clarify what the editor took to be Allen’s understanding of events. But the addition of those four words — "before Novak’s column ran" — made a huge difference. . . . it would have been no crime to talk to a journalist about what had already been published in a newspaper column. But if Bush aides had placed the calls before the Novak column, they would have been divulging classified information . . .
This behind-the-scenes nugget sounds convincing, and it’s consistent with a story Isikoff wrote for Newsweek on October 8, 2003, claiming that the calls in the 1×2x6 story had been made after Novak’s column was printed.
But there’s just one catch. This anonymous national desk editor must have been awfully persistent, since the same description of the 1×2x6 leak occurring before Novak’s July 14, 2003 column showed up in follow-up Post articles on October 1 and October 12 of that year, as well as a retrospective on the Plame leak in July 2005. Since Mike Allen co-wrote each of these stories, either the phrase "before Novak’s column ran" really was accurate, or the Post’s desk editor was stalking his prose to insert the error over and over.
Even worse, though, is this claim by Isikoff and Corn in a footnote:
Within the Post, there was concern about the first article and discussions about whether any correction was warranted, according to Post sources. But no action was taken. The editors and reporters involved, one Post correspondent subsequently said, "had no real desire to let people know we fucked this up." A year later, the Post ran a piece by reporter Susan Schmidt noting that government investigators had been trying to confirm the allegation in Allen’s story but had failed to do so.
Both of the statements in bold are incorrect. As I wrote at the time and in greater depth three months ago, the October 12 Post story I cited above was written in a direct (if unacknowledged) response to Isikoff’s claim that their timeline was wrong. (Undoubtedly, Spikey was reading the WaPo at the time; did he just forget the article, or choose to drop it down the memory hole?) And the Susan Schmidt story from November 2004 to which the footnote refers is not based on any admission from special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald or his team, but rather speculation from attorneys for reporters who had been questioned by Fitz.
Returning to page 320 of Hubris, Isikoff and Corn confirm the confusion in their thinking by trying to piece together an alternative "2×3" hypothesis:
The truth was somewhere in the middle. . . . two White House officials, Rove and Libby, had spoken to at least three reporters — Novak, Judy Miller, and Matt Cooper — about Valerie Wilson before the Novak column came out. The reporters, though, had contacted them, not the other way around. . . . The White House’s anti-Wilson campaign had been less organized than depicted by the explosive Post story, and much (but not all) of it had occurred after the Novak column was published. Mike Allen’s source had supplied him a slice of the story–with some significant details wrong.
Um… but you forgot somebody, guys. Only back on page 277, in passing, does Hubris mention that on July 12, 2003 — two days before Novak’s column ran — Washington Post reporter Walter Pincus was told about Joe Wilson’s wife working for the CIA by a senior administration official who "veered off the precise matter we were discussing." This official wasn’t Karl Rove or Scooter Libby, but ace investigative journalist Murray Waas reported in April of last year that the source had come clean, having "told a federal grand jury that he made the claim to the Post reporter [Pincus] and others."
Others? How many others? As many as six or more, perhaps? Let’s take another look back at that Susan Schmidt article in the WaPo from November 2004:
Prosecutors have questioned numerous witnesses, some of them repeatedly, to learn whether two senior White House aides actively peddled Plame’s identity to more than half a dozen reporters before Novak revealed it in print — an allegation made by an anonymous administration official in a Sept. 28, 2003, Washington Post article.
. . . In questioning reporters for The Washington Post, NBC and Time, prosecutors have shown a particular interest in the events of July 12, reporters and their attorneys have said.
If Isikoff and Corn’s reconstruction is correct, there’s no reason for this "particular interest" — aside from the tooth fairy (apparently) talking to Walter Pincus, the orgy of leaking by Rove, Libby, and Armitage was already complete by July 12, so there was nothing left for the miscreants to do but lie back and smoke a cigarette.
But Fitzgerald appears to suspect otherwise. And if Pincus was leaked to without asking, it would be reasonable to believe the same official told other reporters the same thing that day ("It was unsolicited," the anonymous "1" SAO had told the Post about the 1×2x6 leaks on October 12).
On July 12, 2003, then-White House press secretary Ari Fleischer was flying back from Africa on Air Force One with Dubya, Colin Powell, Condi Rice, and other officials. I’ve long had a theory that the 1×2x6 calls were made from Air Force One (apparently on orders from Libby or Dick Cheney), with some loose ends and speculation about reporters who received the calls addressed here. This seems to be the scenario that Fitzgerald has been looking into; perhaps Isikoff and Corn should have checked it out as well.
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fitz!
Fitz!
So we have someone (Armitage?) planting the seed in the reporters’ minds, who then call Cheney, Rove, Libby, etc to confirm and get more info, at which point they spill the National Security Beans.
Nope, no concerted effort here…
FYI, you’ll have to discuss things amongst yourselves for a moment, but I’ll be back in less than an hour (I hope) to field questions, insults, etc.
“at least three” is a superset of “at least six”
(i.e. 3plus is more general than 6plus, but still includes 6, 7, 8 etc…)
Sounds like they deliberately (and stupidly) left out Pincus’ name from that list (Judy, Bob, and Matt). They were trying to play down the number, and flubbed on internal consistency. Oops. They did leave it open though with the “at least” slipperiness.
Good work, Swopa.
Make that three Fitz’s, an Olbermann, a Colbert and a Hamsher….
Totally OT, but this from the front page at HuffPo:
“Smoking Gun” Spinach Bag Found In Victim’s Refrigerator…
IN BRIEF | comments (12)
If there were ever four words in the English language I never expected to see together, “Smoking Gun Spinach Bag” would be they.
“Smoking Gun Spinach Bag” actually sounds like a cutting edge new Chinese film with lots of martial arts scenes. “Crouching Salad, Hidden Bactii”.
I would have expected a little more from David Corn. He is turning out to be a MSM whore like Isikoff. Corn’s credibility was shattered after he defended Vivica Novak based on her husband’s basketball playing. Writing this book with access whore Isikoff is just another attempt to cash in. The Nation should fire him.
Nice work, Swoopa! And how about adding Woodward? Didn’t Armitage leak to him prior to the Novak column?
TRex @ 8
OMG, the TRex is on a roll and it ain’t even late nite yet. *g*
Fearless carrot, insert in…*g*
TRex @ 8
ROTFL! Oh man, you hit that one outta the park. Or maybe I’ve got a sensitive funny-bone when it comes to vegetable humor…but I don’t think so.
Mad Dogs @ 11
You think the carrot’s fearless? You should see the hamster!
Swopa @ 4
Ooohhh…insults! If we have a food fight, can I reserve the green Jello? *g*
And then there is the Air Force Two angle where plans were made…
“The age of the mass media is just that — an age. It doesn’t have to last forever.” – Jay Rosen
FOOD FIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!
*opens the flour can and slings contents across the room*
Jane’s gonna kill me…
TRex @ 8
707, TRex
Thanks for making the mis-direction clear, Swopa. Would Fitz have authority to get the phone records from Air Force One?
Have you emailed David Corn this link? I’m sure he’d eventually respond.
http://www.davidcorn.com/
OT – Writer of 9/11 Film Compares Critical Backlash to the Salem Witch Hunt
-via Thinkprogress
*throws eggs at daCascadian*
The motivation for Scoots to lie has always interested me.
There’s no way that Scoots can be so dumb to lie to Fitz over and over again unless he’s taking a bullet for someone (or two) higher up the food chain.
And the only folks higher up are the Deciderator and the real boss, Darth.
Perhaps the reason we’ve not heard more from Fitz is that he’s laying in the weeds while the inevitable heat builds up with a Plea bargain for Scoots to hand over those 2 higher-hangin’ fruits.
twolf1 @ 19
-via Thinkprogress
“No one could have forseen…”
TRex @ 19
And piles on with limmmmmeeee greeeeeeeen Jello!
The thugs may hope that the Armitage smokescreen provides sufficient cover for the post election pre trial pardon.
These issues need to stay alive and out front.
You’ll be happy to know, Swopa, that James Moore concurs with you–at least on the manner in which it was done, if not the details. He said in a BuzzFlash article that this would be, precisely, the modus operandi of Rove–to set it up so he could put the ball in motion without having his fingerprints on it.
I’d be more intrigued if I&C found out that the unnamed national desk editor had removed the line about “before Novak’s column ran” instead of added it. The fact that the phrase kept being used seems to severely undercut I&C’s claim.
Now how would Edward R. Murrow put this matter to rest? . . .
Lookie here what I found on the WaPo website:
I think I might have a question or two for her . . . if you’ve got any, or want to see if she answers, check it out right here at the top of the hour.
Swopa,
When you get back, a question I’d like the answer to if you know:
Everybody has rightly piled on Novakula for his reluctance to spill the beans, but wrt to Pincus, has anyone ever publicly heard his full story?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I seem to “remember” that Pincus hasn’t laid out his full story except perhaps to the Grand Jury.
Eric @ 18
I’d like to see Corn come over here and discuss his book and take questions.
OT: tried to send Jane a Lieberman-related hat-tip but her mail server is again rejecting e-mails from my ISP (Orange – Europe’s largest) on the advice of SpamCop.
Here’s what I was trying to send:
“A coalition of religious leaders in Connecticut has come together to pressure US Senators Joe Lieberman (D-CT) and Christopher Dodd (D-CT) to come out in opposition to torture, RAW STORY has learned.
“An event to publicize the campaign will be held in Hartford tomorrow…
“…Lieberman was one of five Democrats in the Senate who voted to strip the right to habeas corpus from prisoners at Guantanamo. The group also noted that Lieberman was one of six Democrats who voted in favor of the confirmation of Albert Gonzales as Attorney General.”
- Raw Story
See also:
The kind of behaviour those votes encouraged:
- Independent
Why Lieberman is now trimming on torture:
- CBS News
Why Bush closed the foreign torture centres:
- Financial Times
SharonW @ 28
Yeah, we dare ya’ Davey boy!
You anti semits are grasping at straws. Everyone knows that it was Armitage and not Libby what spilled the beans.
Scooter would never do such a thing, such a nice boy.
Swopa, as per usual, thanks for, a lucid post of a very complex set of facts.
I can’t find the video but here are the lyrics–Best Kip song ever.
LIFE IN THE SLAW LANE
by Kip Adotta
It was Cucumber the First; Summer was over.
I had just spinached a long day and I was busheled.
I’m the kinda guy that works hard for his celery, And I don’t mind tellin’ you I was feeling a bit wilted.
But I didn’t carrot all, ‘cuz otherwise things were vine. I try never to despairagus, and I don’t sweat the truffles.
I’m outstanding in my field, and I know that something good will turnip, eventually.
Read the rest of the lyrics here:http://www.anvari.org/shortjoke/EmailJoke_Set_9/407.html
Here’s part of the music of the kip song.
http://www.kipaddotta.com/soun…..w-lane.wma
This is off topic, but having just read this on Think progress: In a new interview with Foreign Policy magazine, right-wing “Path to 9/11″ writer Cyrus Nowrasteh was asked if he was surprised by the reaction to his biased, inaccurate film. “No, this was a witch hunt. It was like a national book burning. It’s Salem all over again.” He added, “I think the hubbub is because we got to the truth.” I had to write a new letter to Mr. Iger. I just want to encourage everyone to remind ABC/Disney that we have not forgotten what they have done and we all still hold them responsible.
Swopa,
Have you, yourself, ever emailed Mike Allen directly about this? (I’ll email him if you think he’d be more likely to respond to someone who does not use a nom de plume.)
Swopa,
“We needle,you decide”.
It appears to me ,you have found a very deep sliver and are needling fast and furious!
Good on ya.
even if the information came after the novak column, officials aren’t allowed to confirm or deny the story
In a perfect world, Needlenose would have just released a book, and it would be on the NYT list right now.
Anyone know if Murray Waas has commented on the Corn/Isikoff book yet?
me to me @ 38
Yeah, I don’t know where they got the idea that it was legal for someone with a security clearance to talk about classified info after it’s been leaked. It’s not.
oh snap, swopa!
FITZGERALD IS A NEOCON!!!!!!
http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/CiaAsset.htm
“Fitzmas”, my ass!!
Stop being fooled, people!!
(Sorry, if OT)
btw excellent post swopa, I am reading Hubris right now, but haven’t gotten too far into it yet, it makes me so angry!!!
Thanks for the Fitz fix, Swopa– what a amazingly complex story this is… lots of sand being thrown at Fitz and his team.
OT– I cannot believe that I read this just now:
http://www.alertnet.org/thenew…..319837.htm
what will bushco say now?????????????
OT:
jmba @ 35
Nowrasteh is quite the little talespinner, isn’t he?…Such self-serving statements, it’s hard to know where to begin.
I love the use of the word ‘conflation’ to describe the bogus Berger scene, and ‘ABC was anticipating an attack from the Republicans‘…?
Why?…Because the movie didn’t show Clinton with a loaded hookah in a skunky smoke cloud, surrounded by a harem of cute-but-zombified interns under the Clenis spell, ordering al-Qaeda into action upon the end of his term as part of his evil plot to undermine and overthrow all things apple pie?
Give it up…You got busted
Seeing as they were praising the GOoPers and attacking (again!) Clinton, why were they ‘anticipating an attack from the Republicans’? (Not to mention that Nowrasteh seems to have serious problems with his definitions of truth and history!)
darkblack @ 46
There are so many outrages to write about, bitch about, contact congress/senators/media about…..argh….Sometimes it just makes me feel like giving up…but I won’t, damn-it!!!
I’m confused, but happily so for the moment. Everytime we read a new Plame piece, it challenges us to reframe what’s going on. The MSM doesn’t make it any easier. It’s like a parlor game. Only it’s not. It’s an outrageous federal crime against the people of the United States of America.
I’m starting to see this story in chapters because it’s too hard to see it in the aggregate, only not sure what constitutes Chapter One. And the cast of characters is still very fluid. There must be some kind of friendster site somewhere where all these people populate an organizational chart of fear and treason.
Swopa, I love everything you’ve written on this. Looking forward to more of your commentary when you return.
Hokey smokes! Isikoff lying his ass off to cover up Bush administration wrong-doing? And Korn sitting there with a wan smile on his face?
Color me… completely fucking unsurprised.
Great recap, Swopa.
The thing is, there’s no ’scoop’ from #1 if his information is simply about what happened after Novak’s column came out. The drama, the legal jeopardy, the secrecy is over by then [repeating public, formerly-classified information will not put a person in serious legal jeopardy (or in any political jeopardy with Bush ‘in charge’ of the circus), however irresponsible such gossipmongering may be]. This #1 source’s information was absolutely, and obviously, about what happened before Novak’s column appeared. And the editor’s correction was a good one – he/she realized that the information only really mattered if the events occurred before July 14th, and I’m sure he/she checked with Allen/Priest before making that crucial wording change in September, 2003.
Furthermore, the wording in later stories conveyed the same timeline, but did not use the same phrase over and over – it was not just inadvertently carried forward; it was consciously used and updated each time. And by July, 2005 the #1 source was being described as a “senior White House official” rather than as just a senior “administration” official.
Based on other snippets of information in Hubris that emptywheel and her commenters have posted at the The Next Hurrah, Dan Bartlett has started to look like a very viable candidate for this #1 source role.
NOW THIS IS SCARY!
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0921.html
rove is promising an “OCTOBER SURPRISE” to insure a republican win
this could mean any number of things, from a “thwarted attack”, to a successfull attack.
to some kind of information about some democrats to make it look like WE are not capable
scary scary stuff
I think we need to prepare for all scenarios and be ready with how to address the situation when rove’s plan begins
TPM dishes on Murtha:
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/001579.php
jinny @ 53
murtha is in serious trouble and he deserves it too
I feel like I’ve been kicked in the stomach because now when someone attacks his integrity I will have to agree
this sux
me to me @ 52
I agree it is very disturbing, but not unexpected.
Can we unload on Corn and Murtha AFTER the midterm elections? I mean, I’m willing to be convinced Corn enjoys TV too much and Murtha’s an old politics and money guy. But not now. Now, there is too much of a chance to conduct investigations of atrocities on an entirely different scale that I’m just not going to listen to infighting until later.
Swopa,
I’m delighted to see you posting here. Great post.
A couple of points on the 1×2×6.
This official wasn’t Karl Rove or Scooter Libby, but ace investigative journalist Murray Waas reported in April of last year that the source had come clean, having “told a federal grand jury that he made the claim to the Post reporter [Pincus] and others.”
Why not Rove? Waas’s article doesn’t eliminate Rove, the reported testimony of the Pincus source in Waas’s article reads like Rove’s known testimony.
Almost 2 years after the original 9/28/03 1×2×6 article, the July 2005 Wapo actually became MORE specific on the administration source. The 2005 Allen and VandeHei article put the source in the White House.
The day after the 1×2×6 article, Pincus had this in this 9/29/03 online session in the WaPo.
Clemons at the Washington Note had an interesting post on the 1×2×6 last November.
OT, but I love the smell of scared Republicans.
Papers Show Bush Allies’ Inside Access
snip
The Bush administration on Wednesday released over 1,000 pages of Secret Service logs to settle a lawsuit by the Democratic Party and CREW seeking visitor logs for Norquist, fellow Republican activist Ralph Reed and other figures in the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal.
snip
Democratic National Committee spokeswoman Karen Finney said she saw a pattern of the White House trying to avoid answering legitimate questions.
“By trying to extend a special privilege typically reserved for U.S. government employees, to protect their Abramoff cronies like Grover Norquist, and Ralph Reed, the Bush administration showed just how willing they are to manipulate the law to hide the truth and protect their political interests,” Finney said.
snip
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s…..TEMPLATE=D
Oh,it’s a good article. Bwahaaahaaaa.
OT Raw Story links to newsmax ……..the headline says it all… of course or it wouldn’t be a surprise…..
Conservative sites: Rove promises ‘October surprise’
http://www.newsmax.com/archive…..1615.shtml
Guess I ought to have refreshed before I commented…
97 times Grover was granted access often escorted by Susan Ralston….
inneresting.
angie @ 45
Probably what they always say: We are making progress and the terrorists in desperation are increasing their violence. Eventually we’ll have made so much progress that the place won’t be inhabitable.
Really nice analysis. I, also, remember the early reports saying that the anti-Wilson/Plame stories had been shopped to at least 6 reporters prior to Novak’s article being published, and I believe Walter Pincus was one of the sources for that observation. If I recall correctly, I believe that Joe Wilson also said in his book that a well-connected (unidentified) friend had also told Wilson something about the story being shopped and the guns being out for Wilson. Does anyone else remember that comment? I borrowed Wilson’s book from the library so don’t have it as a reference anymore.
Kak @ 17
Yes, and he did so early in the investigation.
This makes my head spin. Is it too confusing for a bunch of jurors?
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Judge Walton rules against the prosecution……
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01410.html
Me personally, I want to see what’s in Cheney’s “daily intelligence memos”. It would be so fascinating to track the intelligence Dick was seeing with the spin coming out of his big maw.
CMike @ 36
No, I haven’t. I presume he wouldn’t be in the business of outing his own sources (or otherwise revealing information to a stranger that he hasn’t printed), but please give it a try if you’d like.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Allen himself told Isikoff the bit about the desk editor inserting a phrase, just to put him off the trail.
TRex @ 7
Too bad for the victim that smoking gun became a spinach cloud….
This little tidbit from the 7/11/03 Condi Rice press gaggle aboard AF1 over Africa (3 days before the Novak column), is a pretty telling indication that the entire high level Bush administration was on board with the “smear the Wilsons” program. I’m not saying KindaSleaza crossed the line, but watch how she tries to steer the press to the CIA to dig into the genesis of Wilson’s trip to Niger. When they fail to take the bait, she tries to keep them on the topic.(Emphasis mine.)
Mysteries of Life: all my comments are going into moderation today for no apparent reason.
Mad Dogs @ 27
Here’s where he wrote about it in the most detail.
Swopa, Kak — Fitz may have gotten Air Force One’s phone records…but I wonder what was in the records John Bolton requested from the NSA?
I mean, why in the world would Bolton be spying on someone on AF1…?
p.s. nice post, Swopa!
OT-Hugh, great point. For Chimp, the very nature of Iraqi war escalation means we’re winning.
Eric @ 18
Since I think the 1×2×6 stuff in “Hubris” was largely Isikoff’s work (trying to reinforce his Oct. ‘03 Newsweek take), I’d love to hear more from Corn about this. Haven’t tried contacting him yet, though.
Thanks for the link, Lobstergirl. The big showdown over admitting, or not, all/most/some of the classified discovery material that Libby has received starts next Wednesday, Sept. 27th. The rulings by Judge Walton after, or during, those (non-public) CIPA oral arguments about relevance at trial of the classified PDBs, etc., to the charges against Libby will be very important ones.
And no doubt one of the main arguments that all concerned [except probably Libby, who’s trying everything he can to avoid ever going to trial] will be focusing on is whether this classified information will simply “confuse” the jurors and/or “make their heads spin,” as you put it, or whether it will help them to decipher intent/context/perspective with regard to the behavior Libby has been charged with (perjury, obstruction, etc.)
Swopa @ 65
You wouldn’t be asking about his sources, you’d be asking about whether an editor at the Post changed his story in a way that was (a) accurate or (b) false.
If I were a reporter, that’s a question I’d be happy to answer!
I emailed that question to Dana Priest for her chat today, scheduled for 10AM Pacific time, but according to a note just posted by the discussion’s moderator, “Dana Priest has been delayed. Please check back in later for an update on the status of today’s discussion.”
OT:
me to me @ 52
They’ve played the ‘thwarted attack‘ card before…It deflated somewhat quickly.
And a real attack would cement the perceived public image (since Katrina) that Republicans cannot or will not protect America, in spite of their claims.
However, I would posit that either scenario played before the elections would have a ‘police state’ denouement.
Next would be some juicy scandal involving top democrats in a web of sex or illicit money.
Of the two, a sex scandal is more likely, because it could get the full Wurlitzer and thus stay on the radar longer. Democrats, keep it zipped up! And how about those Republican defense-contracting whoremongers…?
An Osama capture? The appropriate response would be why did Bush let him get away at Tora Bora, years ago?…Unless we suspend reality and accept the premise that the dark imprint of Clenile force was felt there, also.
Another tax break? Whoop-te-doo. Mama loves her new cardboard house, ever since the rain made the old one moldy. Let’s all celebrate with ersatz instant cocoa around the Coleman stove.
Iraq pull-out timetable? The mother of all flip-flops, ‘Stay The Course’ augers in on final approach.
My personal paranoid ‘tin foil beanie’ theory is some type of event that can be used to make Iran an evil patsy, reigniting decades-old latent hatreds and putting the War Party on ‘all systems go’, followed by ‘limited’ nuclear engagement (that just so happens to fuck with Russia’s plans and China’s oil needs) and full loss of domestic civil rights, including elections…And it’s coming soon.
Silly, isn’t it?
;>)
new thread: TRex brings us a guest post by Gordon Lamb – “A Now A Word From Chronic Town“
pollyusa @ 57
I can’t remember where it was decisively stated that Pincus’s source wasn’t Rove, and I haven’t had time to look it up. But we seem to know so much about Rove’s testimony that it seems impossible his role in talking to Pincus wouldn’t have been revealed.
It’s hard to know what to make of a one-time variance in the attribution. Cf. “former Hill staffer.”
I dealt with both of those issues in this post. Pincus seems to be referring not to the 1×2×6 SAO, but to things that Joe Wilson said for the September WaPo story, which were clarified in the 10/12 story.
OT and interesting:
http://business.bostonherald.c…..eid=158642
The Hugo Chavez Book Club? Interesting.
The best Chavez quote was “you can still smell the sulfur….” after GWB had been at the podium….
Swopa @ 67
In that piece, mostly about the general treatment of anonymous sources, Pincus uses the Wilson case to introduce the discussion. He says flat out: “The call with me had taken place two days before Novak’s column appeared.”
Patt Morrison: Border Fence Is Borderline Insanity
Erecting a 700-mile barrier will trample protected wilderness and endangered species, but it won’t address illegal immigration’s root causes.
September 21, 2006
http://www.latimes.com/news/op…..commentary
WHAT, no land mines?
If the United States really means business with that fence along the Mexican border, why flinch at installing things that go blooey?
snip
I wonder what big company will get to erect the fence?
Heh heh… he said “erect”
:-)
Thanks Swopa!
The inclusion of “before the Novak article” is a critical issue. I wish Allen would confirm or comment on the source and accuracy of this phrase. It’s so phenomenally frustrating to try and reconstruct events and motives from media sources. So much can be invested in the turn of a phrase, or the spin of a source.
I want Fitzgerald’s notes! heh
Swopa,
Do you give any weight to the Sealed v Sealed
argument?
Will the contents ever be unsealed?
Thanks,
Jack
me to me #54
So agree with you and am beginning to think that everyone in both houses should be sent home and told not to report back. I know that we can’t sweep them all away, but wish we could. To an extent even the supposed “good guys” must know whats going on and are, therefore, complicit by their silence.
Just read about a new decision from Judge Walton in the Plamegate case:
NY Times link
Not good for Team Fitz. Scooter’s gotten his graymail wish.
Where are workers to build the fence going to come from? Mexico?
ccmask #81
Boeing have The Wall contract!
thanks for staying on top of this swopa and keeping us updated now that the spin machine is on to other things!
jinny @ 88
Not really ‘The Wall’ contract…but its a start:
http://rawstory.com/showarticl…..15_pf.html
Human rights investigators and the US:
U.S. ambassador to the U.N. in Geneva Warren Tichenor said he regretted the decision of the five [UN human rights investigators] not to make the visit and accused them of basing their report on “second- and third-hand allegations.”
Well, gee, we don’t allow them in, then we tell them that they can go in to Gitmo but they can’t speak to prisoners individually, and he complains about their report because they don’t have first-hand information?
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I know it’s EPU’d, but it doesn’t really belong on the next thread!
Anyone who would still believe Isikoff is a fool. Ah, yes — I actually remember Isikoff in the ’90s, sniffing after Clinton. for YEARS. Journalist? LOL Some little boy sure ruined HIS credibility. As for Corn, how desperate can one get? Far from being a reporter himself, he now has to tag after the panty-sniffer? Pathetic.
Peterrr @74 caught my drift; there’s no need to ask Mike Allen to reveal his sources, just whether or not he sticks by the story. I just worked up an email for him and now The Washington Post tells me Allen no longer works there. I guess I haven’t been paying attention.
Smoking Gun Spinach Bag — I think I saw them in 1967 at the Fillmore, right before the Hendrix set.
That’s right, Allen is at Time Magazine now. I R learning.
This is a bit OT, but I’m seeing where rove is quoted by newsmax (and maybe others) as promising an “Oct Surprise” to help his gang of sadistic thieves get elected. I think is would be good if this “promise” was made very widely known, so the public will know where look for a culprit if something gets blown up.
Swopa
I’m with Polly–I think Rove is still in the running, as is Hadley. I absolutely agree that Isikoff biffs this (and more problematically, doesn’t reveal his own role in trying to sway the direction of the investigation).
But we know that Ari had an opportunity to leak Plame’s ID on July 12, and didn’t. Meanwhile, there’s the whole difficulty of logistics (getting Ari to leak after the AF2 trip), which makes Ari less likely. And frankly, since Ari was almost certainly following talking points (not least because Bartlett was on the same page as he), if Ari were Pincus’ source, you could expect some noise about whoever the talking points person was.
So I’d love to hear more about why you think it IS Ari.
One more point. It appears that Pincus’ source didn’t immediately reveal the contents of the conversation with Pincus (or else Fitz wouldn’t have interviewed Kessler). So it is likely that Pincus’ source is not a central witness to Fitz’ prosecution (because it’d be pretty damned incriminating if he were–you’d have the Armitage problem all over again). Which again, suggests against Ari.
I need an aspirin and a vacation!
http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
An October surprise guaranteed to help Bush in the big way he and the Rethugs need has to be terrorist-related — but it can’t be a real attack (why didn’t he protect us?) or another thwarted one (yawn). Rove and Cheney probably have bin Laden on ice and are waiting until ten days before the election to re-stage his capture for the press. How will they have nabbed him? Why, by torturing an informant, of course and wiretapping phone calls. “See? If the Democrats were running things, we’d never have brought the mastermind of 9/11 to justice.” 2006 will be a massive Republican win and no Democrat at all will be viable in 2008. Rove really is the Antichrist.
Swopa,
I think this is a great insight. I say “think” because you Plamologists are so into the details that it’s hard for mortals like me to get the subtilties. Is this idea fleshed out [or maybe fleshed down] somewhere?
I am totally confused. Can anyone show me where Armitage fits into the Plame/treason timeline?
Please make it simple — I ain’t too bright.
CMike @ 95
That’s right — it slipped my mind, too. But even if there’s no institutional issue about protecting a WaPo coworker, it’s still not clear to me why he would want anyone sniffing around his story.
emptywheel @ 97
I’ll have to look into the Rove angle this evening. As I said, I think there’s a definitive statement somewhere.
Dickerson says in this article that his talk with Ari (not identified by name) was on the morning of Friday, July 11 — before Rove had talked to Matt Cooper.
Would this have been any more difficult than a brief phone call from Libby to Fleischer?
IMO, Fitzgerald has tried to wall off the 1×2×6 leaks from the Libby perjury case because they’re part of whatever conspiracy case he might build. But he did point out the Libby-Fleischer lunch where Scooter gave Ari the information about Wilson’s wife.
Huh? You lost me here. Kessler was subpoenaed over a conversation with Libby, not anyone else as far as I know.
I’m not sure I follow you here, either. Why can’t Pincus’s source be a key witness against Libby (aside from Fitz not wanting to tip his hand on the conspiracy front)?
Mickey @ 100
See the links in the last paragraph of the post.
Mac @101, check this out. Also see June 13.
Swopa @ 102
I’m thinking of time differences and whatnot. Not a fatal problem with the Ari theory, but one that would make things more difficult.
Fair point, about walling off the conspiracy. But he raised the Libby-Fleischer lunch because it is the most important part of his case against Libby, as he indicated in his press conference. Ari is proof that Libby knew–and was sharing info–that Plame was covert before he leaked to Judy, and before he spoke to Russert. Libby might have gotten away with “forgetting” Dick had told him, but not with Ari testifying Libby told him two days before.
Right. Kessler was subpoenaed because he was one of the two people who might have gotten the WaPo leak, based on phone records. Fitz claims Kessler’s testimony differs from Libby’s (I suspect, but am just guessing, that as with the Cooper conversation, Libby claimed to have told Kessler, thereby hiding a different conversation). But if Pincus’ source had testified from the start that he told Pincus, then Fitzgerald wouldn’t have had to go after both Kessler and Pincus. He could have skipped the Kessler stage altogether.
Because the witness would have no credibility (as Armitage now doesn’t) if he had forgotten to tell Fitz that he had leaked to Pincus. It would make it insanely easy for Libby to say the witness was testifying to cast guilt away from himself. It would utterly ruin the witnesses credibility. And as I’ve pointed out, Ari is probably the most important witness in the Libby trial. If Ari had really leaked–and not told about it–then Fitz wouldn’t have a case against Libby. It’d be bad enough if Ari leaked and admitted it, but the Pincus subpoena process seems to rule against it. Furthermore, Libby would be trying harder to get Pincus on the stand, which for some reason he hasn’t done. Or put it this way. For some reason Libby doesn’t seem interested in going after Pincus’ source, based on his list of intended witnesses, as distinct from the way he’s going after Armitage. That means either he doesn’t know who Pincus’ source is, or that person’s testimony doesn’t hurt Libby’s own case.
emptywheel @ 105
I think you’re piling too many assumptions on top of one another. Pincus said he testified about the July 12 leak to clear his source’s name (i.e., to confirm that he wasn’t told Wilson’s wife was covert). I don’t see how Kessler relates to that.
The difference between Armitage and Fleischer is that Libby isn’t in the chain of information to Armitage — thus, promoting Armitage as a leaker helps to clear Libby.
Promoting Fleischer as a leaker simply causes Ari to point the finger back at Libby as (1) the person who told him about Wilson’s wife and (2) the person who authorized the leaks. Thus Libby has adopted an “Ari who?” approach.
Swopa @ 106
Let me start over again, because these are very simple assumptions, based on a fair amount of data. Independently, any of the three would rule against Ari. Together, they really do.
I’m basing my argument on the notion that Fitz would not indict someone if he couldn’t make his case. That’s probably what happened with Rove–once Armitage’s credibility was shot because he didn’t reveal the Woodward leak, Fitz didn’t have a strong enough case.
In Libby’s trial, Ari is the most important witness. Therefore, we can assume Fitz has reason to believe Ari will be a reasonably credible witness.
If Ari lied about leaking to someone, then he wouldn’t be a credible witness (as Armitage isn’t). Therefore, Ari almost certainly didn’t lie about leaking to someone (though I believe he came clean on his hints to Dickerson).
There are three pieces of evidence (in addition to the fact that Fitz took the case at all, relying as it does on Ari) that say Ari isn’t Pincus’ source.
First, Fitz by DOJ guidelines couldn’t go after Pincus and Kessler both if he knew who had recieved the leak. Therefore, he didn’t know, from the first round of testimony, who had received the leak (and by association, who the leaker was). Therefore, Pincus’ leaker didn’t come clean when he first testified. (This is backed up by the August 2004 affy, which names Pincus based on Kessler’s testimony. though you’ve got to do some un-redactions to find this.) From this we can assume that whoever leaked would be about as credible a witness right now as Richard Armitage, which is not credible enough to stake an indictment on. This has nothing to do with chain of command–it’s all about making sure you have credible witnesses before you charge the Chief of Staff to the VP.
Second, Fitz would need a really good reason to trade immunity on a higher charge to get a witness against a lesser one. You’re suggesting a Federal prosecutor would trade an IIPA violation (or espionage) for a perjury violation, knowing that his espionage person would be facing harsher consequences than his perjury person. That’s not going to happen, because it would be simple to for the perjury indictee (Libby) to impeach the witness.
And finally, there are Libby’s actions. As I (and Fitz) have said, Ari is the key witness here. Therefore, we have to assume Libby will avail himself of any means to impeach Ari as a witness. Yet all Libby’s using to impeach Ari (based on court documents) is the suggestion he was leaker from last summer’s INR memo fest. He’s not subpoenaing Pincus. If Libby had any suspicion Ari was Pincus’ source, his lawyers would be remiss for not calling Pincus, because it’d be a sure way of ruining the most important witness against him. Remember, it was legal for Libby to share Plame’s covert status with Ari–if Ari then leaked that to a journalist, though, that’d be a crime. It’s clear that Libby doesn’t suspect Ari as Pincus’ source, or he’d subpoena him.
And then, finally, there’s the question of evidence. Sure, Ari is remotely possible (though highly unlikely given Libby’s pre-trial motions) to be Pincus’ source. But why is he a better candidate than Hadley? Or Rove? Or Cathie Martin?
Kevinsf @
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I have wondered about Corn’s liberal cred for awhile. He is unwilling to aggressively take on Charles Krauthammer when they appear together on the local (and syndicated) DC program “Inside Washington with Gordon Peterson”. His articles on the Nation’s website are always more direct and confrontational than the views he expresses in TV appearances. Quit pulling your punches Mr. Corn and call out the bastards for who they are all the time. You are one of the few liberal voices allowed to get any airtime by the MSM gatekeepers, please use it more effectively.