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		<title>By: raj</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/and-if-they-were-american-nurses/#comment-304782</link>
		<dc:creator>raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2006 09:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I suppose that the Libyan prosecutor and judges are too stupid to realize that this incident will discourage foreign doctors and nurses from volunteering to assist their sick people.  If that’s what they really want, so be it.  But they should be careful of what they want–it might come back to bite them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose that the Libyan prosecutor and judges are too stupid to realize that this incident will discourage foreign doctors and nurses from volunteering to assist their sick people.  If that’s what they really want, so be it.  But they should be careful of what they want–it might come back to bite them.</p>
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		<title>By: JoyB</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/and-if-they-were-american-nurses/#comment-304125</link>
		<dc:creator>JoyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-304067&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;steve ex-expat @ 101 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Not to defend Libya or what they are doing to these people, but the U.S. is doing far worse to far more people.  Americans have no moral high ground to work with anymore and it is hypocritical to criticize the actions of other countries when the U.S. is doing what it’s doing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Every citizen of the world who does NOT torture and does not support torture possesses the moral high ground to protest and rattle cages.  I will not let embarrassment at the current administration’s actions allow me to be embarrassed about my entire country and what I believe it stands for. We should just sit on our hands until voters overturn a current president? No way.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-304067"><em>steve ex-expat @ 101 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Not to defend Libya or what they are doing to these people, but the U.S. is doing far worse to far more people.  Americans have no moral high ground to work with anymore and it is hypocritical to criticize the actions of other countries when the U.S. is doing what it’s doing.</p>
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<p>Every citizen of the world who does NOT torture and does not support torture possesses the moral high ground to protest and rattle cages.  I will not let embarrassment at the current administration’s actions allow me to be embarrassed about my entire country and what I believe it stands for. We should just sit on our hands until voters overturn a current president? No way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Nix</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/and-if-they-were-american-nurses/#comment-304085</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Nix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-304067&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;steve ex-expat @ 101 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Not to defend Libya or what they are doing to these people, but the U.S. is doing far worse to far more people.  Americans have no moral high ground to work with anymore and it is hypocritical to criticize the actions of other countries when the U.S. is doing what it’s doing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree that we are doing worse to far more people, but that is the U.S. government and not you and me, so to speak. We can still fight to save the lives of these six people. We can stand for what’s right and fight torture abroad, as well as torture done by our government. I think it’s extremely important for the world community to know that while George Bush may support torture, Americans–and most certainly progressives–do NOT. It’s not hypocritical to stand for justice. Ever.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-304067"><em>steve ex-expat @ 101 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Not to defend Libya or what they are doing to these people, but the U.S. is doing far worse to far more people.  Americans have no moral high ground to work with anymore and it is hypocritical to criticize the actions of other countries when the U.S. is doing what it’s doing.</p>
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<p>I agree that we are doing worse to far more people, but that is the U.S. government and not you and me, so to speak. We can still fight to save the lives of these six people. We can stand for what’s right and fight torture abroad, as well as torture done by our government. I think it’s extremely important for the world community to know that while George Bush may support torture, Americans–and most certainly progressives–do NOT. It’s not hypocritical to stand for justice. Ever.</p>
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		<title>By: steve ex-expat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/and-if-they-were-american-nurses/#comment-304067</link>
		<dc:creator>steve ex-expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not to defend Libya or what they are doing to these people, but the U.S. is doing far worse to far more people.  Americans have no moral high ground to work with anymore and it is hypocritical to criticize the actions of other countries when the U.S. is doing what it’s doing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to defend Libya or what they are doing to these people, but the U.S. is doing far worse to far more people.  Americans have no moral high ground to work with anymore and it is hypocritical to criticize the actions of other countries when the U.S. is doing what it’s doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Nurses in Libya &#171; Greg Prince&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/and-if-they-were-american-nurses/#comment-304062</link>
		<dc:creator>Nurses in Libya &#171; Greg Prince&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] Great piece at FDL on human rights abuses in Libya.  Would we tolerate this if the medical workers were American?  The nurses are from Bulgaria, and the doctor is Palestinian. Libyan prosecutors are demanding death by firing squad for these five nurses and the doctor on charges that they infected more than 400 children with HIV at a hospital in Benghazi. At least 50 children have died. The six medics were convicted on the same charges in 2004 and sentenced to death then, but Libya’s Supreme Court overturned the convictions and ordered a retrial, which opened in May. The next hearing is scheduled for today, and lawyers for the medics say this will likely be the last hearing before the court announces its verdict. Human rights groups and Bulgaria have accused Libya of concocting the charges to cover up unhygienic practices in the hospital. […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Great piece at FDL on human rights abuses in Libya.  Would we tolerate this if the medical workers were American?  The nurses are from Bulgaria, and the doctor is Palestinian. Libyan prosecutors are demanding death by firing squad for these five nurses and the doctor on charges that they infected more than 400 children with HIV at a hospital in Benghazi. At least 50 children have died. The six medics were convicted on the same charges in 2004 and sentenced to death then, but Libya’s Supreme Court overturned the convictions and ordered a retrial, which opened in May. The next hearing is scheduled for today, and lawyers for the medics say this will likely be the last hearing before the court announces its verdict. Human rights groups and Bulgaria have accused Libya of concocting the charges to cover up unhygienic practices in the hospital. […]</p>
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		<title>By: Whiskey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whiskey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I called Senator Durbin’s office, and spoke with one of his staffers, who hadn’t heard of the issue, was shocked they’d been in jail since 1999, and asked whether or not this had been discussed in one of those CIA country reports that are public. He said he’d look into it and get back to me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I called Senator Durbin’s office, and spoke with one of his staffers, who hadn’t heard of the issue, was shocked they’d been in jail since 1999, and asked whether or not this had been discussed in one of those CIA country reports that are public. He said he’d look into it and get back to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Nix</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/and-if-they-were-american-nurses/#comment-304012</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Nix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-303862&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;marblex @ 94 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Does anyone have enough hard information about this to help determine independently, whether they are in fact guilty?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On what evidence (i mean physical evidence) are these charges based, apart from the 50 dead children?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Finally, what if….the charges are true?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I believe the underlying assumption of your piece is that the charges are false.  But …based on everything I have read about this case, I really can’t tell.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyone with cogent information ….I would appreciate a link.  Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I spent 4 hours on this last night, once I was made aware of Declan Butler’s request to the blogs. I’ve put in many links, from different sources, so you should be able to get an fairly accurate view of what’s happened. Obviously, without being there in the courtroom, and spending time with the evidence against these people, it’s very hard to know for certain. But, from what I read last night, the experts who have looked at everything, believe these six people to be innocent of the charges. And, within the last week, apparently it’s become clear that Gaddafi may be after money from the int’l community, it order to make this go away.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-303862"><em>marblex @ 94 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Does anyone have enough hard information about this to help determine independently, whether they are in fact guilty?  </p>
<p>On what evidence (i mean physical evidence) are these charges based, apart from the 50 dead children?</p>
<p>Finally, what if….the charges are true?</p>
<p>I believe the underlying assumption of your piece is that the charges are false.  But …based on everything I have read about this case, I really can’t tell.</p>
<p>Anyone with cogent information ….I would appreciate a link.  Thanks.</p>
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<p>I spent 4 hours on this last night, once I was made aware of Declan Butler’s request to the blogs. I’ve put in many links, from different sources, so you should be able to get an fairly accurate view of what’s happened. Obviously, without being there in the courtroom, and spending time with the evidence against these people, it’s very hard to know for certain. But, from what I read last night, the experts who have looked at everything, believe these six people to be innocent of the charges. And, within the last week, apparently it’s become clear that Gaddafi may be after money from the int’l community, it order to make this go away.</p>
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		<title>By: marblex</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/and-if-they-were-american-nurses/#comment-304005</link>
		<dc:creator>marblex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Declan….do you have any information (I was unable to find it) about what evidence was presented in court?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This seems bizzare to me…any clues on the motivations for the government to persecute these people?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Color me baffled&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Declan….do you have any information (I was unable to find it) about what evidence was presented in court?</p>
<p>This seems bizzare to me…any clues on the motivations for the government to persecute these people?</p>
<p>Color me baffled</p>
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		<title>By: Respectful Insolence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Respectful Insolence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Libya’s miscarriage of justice&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Declan Butler of Nature has issued a call for help from the scientific and medical blogosphere in protesting and raising awareness about an utter travesty of justice, a vile and utterly vicious miscarriage of justice. This is one that I…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Libya’s miscarriage of justice</strong></p>
<p>Declan Butler of Nature has issued a call for help from the scientific and medical blogosphere in protesting and raising awareness about an utter travesty of justice, a vile and utterly vicious miscarriage of justice. This is one that I…</p>
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		<title>By: Declan Butler</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/21/and-if-they-were-american-nurses/#comment-303928</link>
		<dc:creator>Declan Butler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hello&lt;br /&gt;
Re evidence&lt;br /&gt;
On my original blog post on this, I’ve added links to the external scientific report by two leading AIDS scientists discussing the evidence, and other material. This should help.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://declanbutler.info/blog/?p=59&quot;&gt;http://declanbutler.info/blog/?p=59&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
My news story in Nature also goes into this in more detail.&lt;br /&gt;
Best&lt;br /&gt;
Declan&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello<br />
Re evidence<br />
On my original blog post on this, I’ve added links to the external scientific report by two leading AIDS scientists discussing the evidence, and other material. This should help.<br />
<a href="http://declanbutler.info/blog/?p=59">http://declanbutler.info/blog/?p=59</a><br />
My news story in Nature also goes into this in more detail.<br />
Best<br />
Declan</p>
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