
Haven’t we had enough of this?
On Sunday at Needlenose, I posted the first part of a long-procrastinated long-planned series on how Democrats can turn the 2006 elections from a one-time opportunity to take advantage of disastrous Republican negligence into the start of a long-term adjustment in how the American electorate views both parties — overturning the "frames" that have increasingly straitjacketed the donkey party over the past few decades.
Citing my Labor Day post here and Peter Daou’s well-noted essay on scandal fatigue, I wrote:
If Democrats don’t find a way to hang together through a unifying narrative, they’re at much greater risk of having Karl Rove hang them all separately in November. And from the standpoint of rehabilitating the Democratic brand — and weaving a common line of argument than helps Democrats nationwide withstand the barrage of below-the-belt attack ads — the answer to Daou’s dilemma isn’t to pick one or three issues and drive them home, it’s to make all of them one issue, which is what a successful narrative can do.
. . . consider Peter Daou’s cri de couer over NSA spying. Let’s suppose that, rather than simply hammering on the issue independent of any others, Democrats were tying it into a larger argument — saying that it was another reckless, irresponsible example of a president with dangerously bad judgment , which needed to be remedied by electing Democrats who would bring common sense back to Washington.
If that was the case, when a couple of days after Daou’s essay, VP Big Dick Cheney accidentally shoots a hunting companion, it’s not a distraction – it’s exactly the same issue, and an event that powerfully reinforces the contrast of identities that Democrats are presenting.
My point was (and is) that Democrats don’t have to change their beliefs, or cover them up, to build a stronger brand identity — all they have to do is communicate the core values that separate them from Republicans in simpler, more consistent language.
Addressing issues in terms of a narrative rather than in isolation not only helps with the scandal fatigue/catnip dilemma that Peter Daou described, it helps with what he has called the broken triangle, wherein unfocused Democratic pols and a lazy media leave progressive activists helpless in fighting GOP mythmaking and malfeasance. Repeating a shared theme across multiple issues can help overcome Dems’ limited media exposure, and who knows, maybe if we spell out our side’s narrative in plain language enough times, both the pols and the press will learn to remember it.
As an example of what I mean, let’s look at the subject that Republicans think might save them from disaster in November, and which has notoriously been the most vexing for Democrats: national security. We all know the Rove/Cheney dark empire is pulling out the stops to make all of us look like Osama bin Laden’s best friends over the next seven weeks, on a variety of fronts — including Iraq, changing the laws about torturing prisoners, and warrantless eavesdropping. How do Democrats stand up effectively for the right beliefs, but also "make them one issue," as I’ve sanctimoniously suggested?
I’d suggest taking a cue from how Dubya approaches brand-building on this subject. Here’s how the Shrub-in-Chief described his anti-terror strategy in a recent interview:
"This thing about . . . let’s put 100,000 of our special forces stomping through Pakistan in order to find bin Laden is just simply not the strategy that will work."
Rather, Bush says there’s a better way to stay on offense against terrorists. "The way you win the war on terror," Bush said, "is to find people [who are terrorists] and get them to give you information about what their buddies are fixing to do."
As Steve Benen aptly notes, this is a specific argument "that torture is literally the best way to win a war on terror." That’s no accident; the Shrubster has claimed that NSA eavesdropping is essential to protecting America against terrorism, too. In fact, every time the Fear President opens his mouth, he makes clear to even his strongest supporters the least attentive listener that his top priority is protecting the American people, and it’s the core reason behind just about everything he does.
If Dubya can use this tactic in the service of lies and moral cowardice, Democrats can certainly use it in the service of truth and conscience. Our side doesn’t often trumpet its concern about defending America, perhaps because it seems like belaboring the obvious — who doesn’t care about protecting our country? But when your target audience is one that isn’t paying close attention, sometimes belaboring the obvious is exactly what’s required.
So, if all Democrats are going to get on TV or in newspapers is a one-line soundbite on each issue (if they’re lucky), they’d better make sure those soundbites advertise their priorities and reinforce each other, like this:
– Iraq? "There’s a better way to defend this country than having 1,000 Americans a year die in Iraq."
– Torture? "There’s a better way to defend this country than becoming the first nation in the world to quit the Geneva Conventions."
– Warrantless NSA spying? "There’s a better way to defend this country than to gut the Constitution."
– Iran? "There’s a better way to defend this country than to dive into another war without knowing what happens the day after the bombs fall."
This way, we not only get our objections across, we communicate to all those distracted "security moms" and NASCAR families that Democrats really do give a crap about whether we get blown up or not, contrary to what Dick Cheney and Karl Rove would have them believe.
If someone is interested enough ask what our "better way" is, particularly with regard to torture and NSA spying, an added soundbite I would throw in is that the best way to defend America is to be America. The other day at Needlenose, I quoted Ron Suskind on the real front line against terrorism, which is ordinary citizens in obscure locations around the world who might get wind of a plot against the U.S. — if those random citizens react by thinking, "F—ing Americans, they deserve it" instead of "That’s terrible, I should tell the police," America is less safe. When our country is an example of freedom and tolerance across the world — the kind of nation that drew the world’s sympathy after September 11th — America is safer.
There’s plenty more left to be said on this topic. But the gist of it is, for the past five years Republicans have shown us their way of trying to protect America — based on hysterical threats, ignoring facts, and reckless actions — for which we’re now paying a huge price. We’ve seen the results of their way. Democrats think there’s a better way, based on an honest assessment of danger, telling the truth to the American people about it, and living up to our fundamental values as we do what has to be done. Which way would you vote for?
Related posts:
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- David Brooks Still Confused About Who’s Destroying the Country
- Dick Cheney: I’m Proud I Tortured to Protect Our Country But Not Our Allies
- Alan Grayson Speaks the Language of Morality, Causes Mass Panic
- Three Republican Senators are Worth More Than 76% of the Country





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Frist!
I think “Had enough?” is a pretty good start.
An overarching, if sometimes unspoken narrative the GOP used was “put the grown-ups in charge”. A Dem variation might be, “put people with brains in charge.”
OT: This has to be the best diary I have read yet at DailyKos.
Thunderdome: Bush vs. Roosevelt
by Devilstower
Wed Sep 20, 2006 at 08:28:29 AM PDT
[Promoted from the Diaries - MB]
With Bush so anxious to compare the trials of our own time to the challenges of World War II, and others on the right ready to equate what we’re now facing with the greatest dangers of the past, it only seems appropriate that we see how Bush stacks up against the man who led us through those days.
That’s right, folks, it’s time for Presidential Thunderdome. George W. Bush vs. Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Two presidents enter, one president leaves!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..73653/7046
I like your list, Swopa . . . and we can give “cut and run” new life and new meaning:
We don’t cut and run from the Constitution – eavesdropping requires court supervision.
We don’t cut and run from the Geneva Convention.
Well, speaking of defense, what about helping to support Marcy’s book?
Hope you got my contribution, it was several days ago but hasn’t appeared on the thermometer.
Swopa, this is exactly the strategy we need. Not only because it allows us to roll up all the transgressions of the past several years, but also because it keeps us in the present. Bush’s meme that he will be honored only in generations to come is his way of allowing his constant criminal activity in the present, as if time will cure us of our principles. Or as if he can justify his abominable actions by fomenting even more fear of what’s ahead if we don’t do as he says.
egregious @ 6
I can’t answer your question, but if you’re all good little Firepups, I’ll have a nice, meaty Plame post for you to dig into tomorrow.
I hope there’s a Democratic realignment, but unifying Democratic politicians has always been like hearding cats.
During the DFA Night School on Tuesday, George Lakoff said that any words or phrases that evoke “cut and run” plays into the GOP frame. The session was an hour long, and can be heard via the web or DVD.
DFA Night School
As for the unified campaign theme, my only thought at the moment:
Republicans — corrupt AND incompetent.
I mostly lurk but I have posted a few comments. I originally posted under the name “JL,” but since people have been using that acronym to refer to Joe Lieberman, I thought I’d change to JxL.
There is a great article on the Lamont-Leiberman campaign up to the CT primary at http://men.style.com/gq/featur…..;pageNum=1
It has 16 pages but it is well worth reading.
I used to live in CT (now AR) but I sure wish I could help Lamont’s campaign directly (i.e., other than $).
In case noone has posted this yet, it appears that Lamont and Lieberman are in a statistical dead heat in the latest Rasmussen poll –
Lieberfool – 45
Lamont – 43
http://www.journalinquirer.com…..&rfi=6
Lamont!!!!
I like it Swopa.
And the “there is a better way” dovetails nicley with the “had enough?”
You list a bush failure like torture and how unAmerican that is followed by “had enough?”
then point out that there is a better way to defend America than ditching the Geneva Conventions.
You rinse and repeat with the next outrage and the next and the next.
Voila, you have a nice little stump speech there.
Swopa @ 8
Yippppeeeeeeee!
Swopa @ 8
Tomorrow? You expect to leave us hanging until tomorrow? That’s rough!
Howdy JxL… What part of the Natural State do you hang yer hat?
-ck- @ 10
I wasn’t there, so correct me if I’m wrong, but what I think Lakoff probably was getting at was “don’t try to argue against ‘cut and run’ by coming up with a cute counterphrase like ’stay and pay.’” If so, he’s right – that just lets the Republicans set the terms of the debate on Iraq.
What I’m talking about is much different. Like Swopa, I’m trying to get us – and the electorate – focused on the big picture. “You want to talk about ‘cutting and running’? Iraq is small potatoes. What about the Constitution? The Geneva Convention? The rule of law?” Using ‘cut and run’ in this way doesn’t try to deflect the Republicans; it takes their weapon from them and turns it on their own necks.
how about (instead of a better way), there is a smarter way…
smarter, more competent…shrubya and company are idiots…
FWIW, Lou Dobbs (on CNN.com anyway) is hot about voting machines (not just Diebold’s) today. It doesn’t appear that he’s heard about the keys, though. He’s only touching on viruses and reprogramming.
Thanks SWOPA–I think you have nailed it, especially with
The best way to defend America is to be America.
Peterr at 5–your phrases also nail it. I hope these can gain some traction
OT…..
This was just posted in the comments at Crawfordslist. This woman is a regular there….She doesn’t own a Tin Foil Hat.
rebellious renee said…
I had a very strange thing happen to me last night. I am on the board of trustees for my local library. We do get some funding from the town..but are essentially a private not for profit institution with an endowment. The endowment is with a local investment firm that has spread it around in various funds.
At last night’s monthly trustee meeting, our treasurer informed us that the investment firm (A.G. Edwards) has been contacted by the Dept. of Homeland Security and told to collect information on the board. He passed out an information sheet that each of us was supposed to fill out. We all took one look at it and started to laugh. I gave mine back to the treasurer and said, “let the feds come find me”…..everyone followed my lead and gave the paper back.
F*ck em! We don’t have the motto “Live Free or Die” on our license plates for nothing….
9/20/2006 12:03 PM
Thanks to all of you who have dropped by Thank You Keith Olbermann and left an ATTA BOY…If you haven’t there’s plenty of ATTA BOYS left.
I don’t think smarter works as well as better. Lures us into that “erudite, intelletually superior liberal” quagmire.
Pay close attention to George Lakoff’s work on the power of language and frames. Activists (i.e., do’ers) sometimes blow it off as peripheral.
Swopa underscores how essential all of this is. But if the words don’t reflect our reality, it’s an exercise in futility.
Note to self: What do you believe? What do you value? What are you willing to do to protect your country? The saddest thing, of course, is that we now are in a position of protecting what we value from our own government.
My recurring theme: Must. Win. in. November.
Support candidates. Donate. Write relentlessly. Convert people in that tippy place.
We can do this. We have to.
If warrantless searches, maintaining isolated gulags, and inhuman treatment of prisoners are
so effective, how is it we won the cold war?
The answer is that we won precisely because we did not engage in those activities.
As John Winthrop so long ago said: “For we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us. If we deal falsely with our God {principles}in this work we have undertaken – we shall become a story and a by-word throughout the world. We shall open the mouths of our enemies to speak evil of the ways of our God {principles}.”
Being from Massachusetts, I’m positively giddy with Deval Patrick’s massive victory in the primary.
Here’s a guy who seems to extraordinary political gifts, if not outright true political genius. Aside from his intelligence, passion, grace and savvy…he is not mincing words regarding taxes and being a liberal. He’s being quite clear about his positions and not running on the defensive from those nasty rethugs. It’s incredibly refreshing and galvanizing. While the speech was entirely “positive” he, at the same time, forcefullly took the current regime to task. It was masterful…and I’m not a cheap date. Neither is my wife. I haven’t been this excited about a political figure since the 60s.
I urge ALL democratic candidates to watch and study Patrick’s victory speech. I also urge all Dem candidates to check out his webpage. I think its the future of politics made present.
OT, but the Democratic Mayors of Norwich, West Haven, and Waterbury, Connecticut have defied the wishes of the Democratic voters of CT and announced they endorse Joe Lieberman for United States Senator. I’ve called them and they say I’m the only one who has called to complain about their endorsement. If anyone would like their phone numbers, I have them.
One more thing. Here’s the And please ignore the typo in this erudite liberal’s earlier blog. (sigh)
Oh, poop! This doesn’t do HTML code the way I entered it.
http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/
Lakoff’s site. Go forth and read it.
I’m in a rush here but am reposting this EPU’d from last thread.
HotFlash @ 163
Really, really on topic, a quote from pg 51 of The Maher Arar report:
Swopa: Beautiful, beautiful piece! Probably the most articulate argument on this subject I’ve read since Daou’s gem. Keep up the good work; you guys give me hope.
I am aware of exactly what my beliefs are as a Democrat. Albeit, a progressive one. But, a lot of voters, and potential voters do NOT understand what it is that Democrats stand for. One thing that might help is for the leaders of the Democratic Party to come up with a point by point ‘mission statement’. it could help to harvest many independents and ‘undecideds’ for our party. And steer many voters away from what it is the Republicans claim and want people to believe we (Democrats) stand for.
But you people never get around to describing what the ‘better way’ is.
Just vote for you now, and you’ll focus group the ‘way’ later?
Dr. Bong @ 16
Little Rock (but I have no twang in my voice!)
OK Kiddo @ 30:
How’s this sound?
Let America stand for openness, not secrecy.
Let America stand for justice, not vengeance.
Let America stand for security, not fear.
Let America stand for humane treatment, not torture.
Let America stand for debate, not mindless chatter.
Let America stand for the needy, not the greedy.
Let America stand for checks and balances, not monarchical authority.
Let America stand for freedom, not tyranny.
Let America be America.
Again.
JxL @
11
JxL, I live in Canada but I have friends, clients etc in CT. I am making up a one-page notie thing with some talking points — torture, Iraq, veterans, Medicare, women’s rights/ choice, etc — and setting up some good linkies in my windows so I have proper ammo. I will be calling *everyone* I know in CT between now and Nov, more than once I hope. I think my opening line will be, “Hi, this is —, I’d like to talk politics, have you got a few minutes?” and take it from there. If me living in Canada and calling them doesn’t get them thinking, I don’t know what will. Once they are thinking I can only trust they will do the right thing, which is vote for Ned Lamont. Could lose me some clients this way, but I think it’s better than being nuked by the neighbours…
“Dear neighbours, please curb your president. The constant barking was bad enough, but now he’s eating children.”
Well done.
This ought to be spotlighted (or equivalent) to every Democrat in congress.
Peterr @ 5
LHP @ 13
Both great interfaces
The best way to defend America is to be America…Based on an honest assessment of danger, telling the truth to the American people about it, and living up to our fundamental values as we do what has to be done.
Bears repeating…
Barry: Swopa said it. “Be America” The GOP talks principles, but where the rubber hits the road, they end up failing every time: economy, foreign policy, upholding the constitution.
Making decisions based on the fundamental principles this country was founded on. That’s the better way.
Don’t let the terrorists terrify us.
Don’t let those who “hate our freedom” make us give up our freedom.
Don’t let those without compassion make us lose our compassion.
Of course the highlighted text is from Swopa’s excellent post, but I can’t go back and edit #36.
Dru @ 38
Does “edit this comment” not work for you? It gives you five minutes to clean things up.
Oh, and nice one, Peterr (33)
May I add:
Let America stand for strong deeds, not just strong words.
“There’s a better way to [blank] than [blank]”
There’s a better way to frame our message than “together, we can do better” or “a new direction.” And the better way is to highlight in a non-whiny way the shortcomings of the Republican way every time. Unfortunately, framing is so much more important than policy or logic in winning, so thanks for a great post.
I personally like the “smarter” way. It helps you defend against attacks on all kinds of issues. For example, when you talk about universal healthcare, the haters usually bring up England or another bad version. So you are saying we can’t be any smarter than them and learn from their mistakes?
And in the timely words of Ryan Singel:
Your appendix is more likely to kill you than al-Qaida is
this has been said before and bears repeating:
“Don’t Let Osama Bin Laden Tell You How To Vote”
Peterr –
Lakoff specifically criticized “stay and pay” — but he also said that using any verbage that echoes “cut and run” serves the GOP’s interests. I generally agree with him, but also think there is a time and place for turning your opponents soundbites against them.
Example — in 2001, GWB used the “It’s your money” phrase to roll the Democrats on his welfare for the rich tax cuts. There is nothing simpler than “It’s your money” — so turn it against the BushCo GOP with phrases like:
“It’s your money — and the Bush Republicans are so corrupt they are giving it away to their crooked cronies!”
“It’s your money — and the Bush Republicans are so corrupt they are giving it away as welfare for the rich!”
“It’s your money — and the Bush Republicans are so corrupt they are stealing it from your children!”
“It’s your money — and the Bush Republicans are so corrupt they are letting their Oil Company cronies rob you blind at the gas pump!”
Etc., etc.
Peterr 39; no, it doesn’t work for me.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 30
Hi Kiddo,
I’m from a mixed marriage, Repub mom & Dem dad, they cancelled out each other’s votes for 45 years. I also sell stuff big-ticket stuff for a living and I find that there is no “magic message” that works everytime. I find it is more effective to find out what each potential client is looking for and see whether what I have matches what they want. A vote is a big deal — I think getting someone’s vote should take more than a catchy slogan.
I plan to be calling everyone I know in CT to ‘talk politics’ and I will talk to the Repubs *as* Repubs, taking my cue from Pete McCloskey. YOu might be able to use this, too. He’s the old-guard Repub who came out of retirement to challenge Richard Pombo. He lost and is now supporting Dems as *better Republicans* than what’s passing as R’s now. Other folks might find the war, or veteran’s issues, or choice, ore Medicare, or Joe’s attendance recore, or torture more important — thanks to FDL, I’ve been stashing away plenty of ammo and can talk on many topics. If they go somewhere I don’t know, I’ll ask if I can go do some homework and call them back.
I disagree with the “smarter way” as it plays right into the hands of the GOP smear that progressives/liberals arrogantly think they are smarter than everybody else. “Better way” is simpler, without dumbing it down. I’m glad there is some effort being made to articulate what that “better way” is, but it’s the candidates running for office who need to be ramming it home out there on the airwaves, and so far, as per usual, you can hear crickets chirping in the democratic camp.
One of the best ways to deal with an opponent’s frames is to place them INSIDE your own frames.
Swopa put it like this in that Needlenose post on Sunday, right after the section quoted in the main post above:
By putting “cut and run” into the larger and stronger frame of the Constitution and the values of America, it ceases to do what Republicans want. It ceases to be their frame, but becomes a part of our narrative.
Frames, as important as they are, are static things. A narrative is dynamic – it moves, flows, and pushes the hearers along.
I can’t edit my posts either.
Center to left Democrats. And progressive Democrats in particular, practice what they preach. These sorts of folks may or may not be religious or go to any church. This is immaterial. But these people walk the talk. They do the golden rule thing. I very much dislike how the Republicans have managed to portray Democrats as some kind of anti-Christ demons. Republicans need to be called on this deception. This is the same as the Republican ploy of hanging the yoke of traitors and cowards around the neck of those of us who do not support the Bush Iraq War. I resent it deeply.
Swopa– a truly great post and thank you!
I read this article this morning and it very much jibes with yours:
http://www.tompaine.com/articl….._limbo.php
So where have you been, Barry?
Iraq: James Baker and Lee Hamilton just got back from Iraq and were saying the Iraqi government had half a Friedman to get their act together. So if even these guys see the writing’s on the wall, the writing’s on the wall. The Iraqi government won’t act. It took them 6 months to come up with the hal-*ssed excuse for a government that we see now. And it’s done next to nothing so far except watch the country slide into civil war, unless you count the work of the Ministry of the Interior death squads. The Murtha Plan, a Democratic, and workable plan is out there. It proposes a scheduled withdrawal to bases outside of Iraq but in region, gets our troops out of harm’s way, and keeps our presence in the area. This would allow our army to rebuild and still moderate events in Iraq. And BTW no matter what happens Iraq is going to turn out badly so for us the goal is not to prolong the agony but manage the inevitable chaos. It will be hard to do but harder if we wait.
Torture: It doesn’t work, causes immense and unnecessary damage to our reputation, and hampers cooperation with those who could be helping us. Don’t do it.
NSA wiretaps: Only about a million posts here and elsewhere on the web. One word: FISA, repeat as necessary. Pretty much all the terrorist plots uncovered so far have been the result of regular police work, not illegal wiretapping, torture, or military operations. So FISA, yes; illegal pointless wiretaps, no.
Iran: The Iranians are moving toward nuclear weapons at a headlong mosey so there is time. An attack would ultimately fail, be hugely expensive, damage our and the world economy, and make us less safe.
Don’t do it.
When you are confronted by stupid, costly, ineffective strategies, the better way is: Don’t do them.
Barry, does that answer your question?
nicemonster, you make a good point about smarter vs better.
To all, just curious about the use of these things, and not, *not* being snarky.
My question is, what does one do with these slogans? I can’t see calling my CT friends and reciting them. Shouting them from the housetops seems, um not productive. T shirts? Burma-shave signs? Tablets of stone? 15-second jingles?
What are these things supposed to do, how and to whom?
BTW, Hugh at 53 — that’s what I call a spot-on response! May I crib from that?
HotFlash @ 56
TV, TV, and TV. By candidates, campaigns, and talk show guests.
HotFlash @ 47
Years ago I lived in McCloskey’s district out in California. Though I did not agree with him on all things, I respected him then, and I respect him now. He is a person of principle.
the best way to defend America is to be America
That’s the best progressive slogan I’ve read in a long while. It shows that we have the confidence to win without resorting to destroying what we are. You could fit it on a bumper sticker, although it might be hard to read in traffic ;)
I don’t know if you’ve seen this yet, but a new poll shows a House race that has suddenly become very competitive for the Democrats! In Minnesota Second, which hasn’t even been listed at any competitiveness rating by the Cook Political Report, a new poll shows FBI whisteblower Coleen Rowley only three percentage points behind the GOP incumbent, John Kline, at 45% to 42%.
Not to rest on his laurels, Kline’s district director was filmed shouting racial epithets at veterans going to a Rowley event with John Murtha at a VFW post, and the film was posted on one of our local blogs. The district director and Kline both came out with “apologies” which were belligerent non-apologies – Kline only made things worse for himself by essentially saying there was nothing really wrong about his district director’s racial slurs.
The poll was BEFORE the racial scandal, which is just now breaking. A Star-Tribune article today discusses it, and compares it to Allen’s “Macaca” problem – a dire omen for Kline.
Minnesota has often been characterized lately as a traditionally blue state that is tilting red, but in the Senate race, Dem Amy Klobuchar keeps extending her lead over the slimy GOPper Mark Kennedy – she is now ahead by 24 points in the latest poll.
The Minnesota Second District house race is just now really gaining the chance for a firestorm of bad publicity for the GOP incumbent and a surge of support for Rowley – this is one of three Minnesota house seats now held by the GOP that have a great chance at flipping this year.
Please see http://shotgunfreude.blogspot.com/ for more references, and please take a new look at Coleen Rowley and start doing what you can to spread the news about her and Kline’s sliminess and the terrific chance we have in this race. Thanks!
- bryan @ shotgunfreude
I agree with every point in Swopa’s excellent post with the possible exception of what it implies for what bloggers do vs what we expect the Democrats and their leaders to do.
I believe that the Democratic leadership is still a long way from taking positions that are aggressive enough, and convincing enough, to persuade the American people that a dramatic change in Congress, including turning over both House and Senate leadership to Democrats, should be a high priority for voters.
HotFlash @ 56– speaking for myself, I use these things to confirm to myself what I want us to be. I use them to learn how to talk to others and convince them of the errors and dangers of this sick path we have been on. I use them to become a more assertive and better American. I use them when communicating with my elected representatives. I use them to give and sustain hope.
HotFlash @ 57
Sure
Peterr @ 33
Sounds good! Something to build on. A good, solid foundation of principles.
Fuckin’ home run Peterr!
I also think the progressive blogs are not likely to change the attitude or positions of the Democratic leadership far enough, and fast enough, so that their statements and their strategies can make a significant difference in time to affect the election results. Getting even the leaders, let alone the individual candidates, to sing the right tune well before the elections seems highly unlikely.
In other words, the progressive blogs probably have to function independently of the leadership, and maybe even against the leadership’s current tactics and strategies. The blogs have to lead them, because they cannot lead.
This “real America” that you want to be (again) – when was the last time it actually existed? What exactly did it look like?
Thanks Op99 at 58, not a TV person, that’s all strange country to me. I only see what ends up online, lucky me!
I want to echo what Swopa says (and what Taylor was saying in the last post) about emphasizing that the things the current Republican administration are doing are just “reckless, irreponsible examples” from people with “dangerously bad judgment.” That’s a great theme that would help Dems everywhere.
For example, it would be fairly simple for progresssive bloggers to frame the possible war with Iran in those terms:
We all know the arguments. The Bush Administration – including the President, the Vice President and the Secretary of Defense – either recklessly misled or deliberately lied to the American people to lead us into a war in Iraq that we didn’t have to fight and for reasons that we now know, and they probably knew then, were bogus. Now these same people are doing exactly the same thing in Iran.
The reasons and the rhetoric the Administration officials are using today are exactly like the reasons and rhetoric they used in misleading the country into the Iraq quagmire. Just like then, they are already ignoring the independent advice and distorting the findings of international experts on whether there is a threat and how serious that threat is. If they are not stopped, these same people – Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield – and their rightwing neocon cheerleaders — will lead us into another bloody quagmire, even as we are still bogged down in Iraq.
Instead of helping win both wars, conducting two wars at once with too few troops will put US forces in extreme danger and instead risk crushing and humiliating defeats for America in both wars. In the meantime, we will be even further distracted from finishing the job in Afghanistan and even further from focusing on the real enemies, the al-Qaeda type extremists who attacked us on 9/11.
Further, getting bogged down in yet another war, and losing even more support and influence in the Middle East, will make it even harder to defend Israel. If we get bogged down in yet another ME war, it will not help Israel; it will instead place Israel in even greater danger than today, increasingly isolated in a region furious at the US and Israel and motivated to undertake ever more extreme measures against citizens of both countries.
This is an insane policy. It is completely contrary to America’s interests and security, as well as Israel’s security. Those who advocate this insane policy should be stopped and checked to prevent another catastrophic war. Short of multiple impeachments, the only way for the American people to stop this insanity is to remove the Republicans from power in the Senate and House so that an opposing party can serve as a useful check on this madness.
HotFlash @ 56
Well, if it’s OK with swopa, I’m going to use her “better way” message in emails to my representatives in Washington and in a letter to my local newspaper. That’s a start.
If it comes down to a single campaign issue, how about PRIVACY.
It covers NSA wiretapping, reproductive choice, Terri Schiavo, eminent domain, even the Second Amendment. I’m sure there are more. Just leave us all the fuck alone.
When I read, “there’s a better way to…” I know the GOP’s response will be…”And what is it?”
What is the better way? What is the better way for our troops not to die? Is it just to bring them home? We know that answer falls flat, because we know that on the other side of that is “what do you do when the country then falls into full-blown civil war?”
We know that the administration’s way is the wrong way, but they have managed to get out the message that the alternative to the wrong way is no way. They have managed to frame a false assumption and a false choice – they take objections to programs that do not follow the law and turn them into that we don’t want terrorists to be eavesdropped on, to our being more concerned about the rights of terrorists than we are about the safety of Americans. They want the people to think the choice is between Bush’s program or no program, because they know that people are uncomfortable with the idea of no program. That tactic continues to work, no matter how loud and how long and how articulate we are about what the law allows and how we support a program that does keep tabs on suspected terrorists.
The other problem is that there seems to be a changing vision on what, exactly, it means to be America and to be American. Bush continues to frame this in a way that allows him to push an agenda that diminishes our rights as Americans and diminishes our stature in the world, but frames it as being about protecting America – and there are a lot of people, apparently, who think that is the only choice there is – that we may have to give up some of our identity in order to be safe.
What works for Bush is the flawed logic of: we weren’t doing these things = attack, so if we do it the Dems’ way, the attacks are inevitable.
It’s an insidiously manipulative tactic that works, and there is no way that we can get away with “better way” themes unless we are prepared to define what those better ways are. If we don’t, all we will hear is, “Those are lovely thoughts, but what is the plan? What is the action? What will you DO?”
Maybe you have to bring it down to a level people can relate to, and instead of talking principles and theories, you ask them how they would feel if we no longer had a presumption of innocence in this country, if we no longer had the right to an attorney, if we no longer had the right to a trial or to see the evidence against us. You ask them how they would feel to be taken out of their homes without knowing why, held indefinitely at a location not disclosed to their families, and tortured for information they didn’t have. You ask them why they should be confident that policies that allow the government to do that in the name of national security could not one day soon be done in the name of domestic security. And you ask them how we can promote democracy if we are not preserving our own.
The sick thing is that that is using fear, too, but I guess that’s where the expression “fighting fire with fire” comes from.
I do not mean to rain on anyone’s parade here, nor take anything away from Swopa’s fine post, but the GOP will kill us on this better way stuff if that’s all there is to it.
There’s a couple at the end of Late Night I didn’t need to read this AM. Reality shitality, not going to do the news today!
Fern @ 69
Here’s what Ben Franklin had to say in the last debate over the product of the Constitutional Convention:
Has the US ever been perfect at standing for those things I listed above? No. But when it has done them, however imperfectly, it has always ended up better, stronger, and closer to what it claims to be than it was before.
If Franklin could vote for, live with, and champion a constitution with flaws (and a mechanism for correcting them as needed), I think I can manage to do so as well.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 65
Peterr,
If you’re open to suggestion, start with
justice. not vengeance because everything else flows from there.
I keep stumbling over monarchical authority because monarchical is such a clumsy word. How about checks and balances instead of imperial authority? Or checks and balances instead of unilateral power?
alittlemusicalityplease @ 76
Good point about justice and vengeance, and “unilateral power” flows much better! Thanks!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 51
Amen!!
Thank you for that statement. I couldn’t have said it better myself.
Oklahoma kiddo @
59
McCloskey is a former Marine if I recollect. Let’s see…..
Marines:
McCloskey
Webb
Murtha
Looks like the Marines have landed.
Any other Marines running for office on the Democratic ticket?
Any high profile Marines backing the Cheney Administration?
I’m just asking. I really don’t know.
Anne — I completely agree that we’d have to be able to answer the next question, “what is the better way.” I happen to believe we can articulate those alternatives, but the problem I’m focused on is “what is possible for this set of elections?”
I think the best we can do between now and November is to spread the argument Swopa and Taylor are making (and see my 71, if it gets out of moderation) that the current Administration is dangerously reckless, irresponsible and exercises dangerously bad judgment — in every area affecting national security. Their way has made us less safe, and it’s going to get at lot worse unless there is a change of power in the Congress.
If the press want position papers on alternative, fine, we can draft them, but that’s not what makes the news shows or even the NYT articles. I think we have only enough time to brand Bush and his neocon/Republican party as near lunatics, and we should focus our attention there.
Vote Democratic in 2006 – Common Sense Government for the Common Good
fahrender -
don’t forget Tony Zinni – not backing the Cheney Adminstration
same for Paul Hackett
Fern @ 69
I think it existed on September 10, 2001. I think it got stomped flat on November 2, 2004. George’s stolen presidency got extended. And when that happened, the culture of lies, deceit, secrecy, torture, ignoring civil liberties, Constitution tampering, Geneva Convention tweaking became the norm.
It was never perfect. It will never be perfect. But it sure as heck can be better than this. BTW, I love “Let America Be America Again!”
Erudite liberal haiku:
Let America
Be America Again.
Elect Democrats.
OT but YAY–
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld…..565073.htm
before we get too wound up in this language thing maybe you all should go over to Whisky Bar and read what Bilmon put up about George Orwell and how language is used in political contexts. Orwell pretty much knew that subject, doncha think?
It gave me paws. woof! woof!
cbl @ 81
thanks. i wonder if there’re even more …….
Sad thing is, we are still horribly trapped in their frame. The 9/11 attacks were symbolic, certainly, but it is completely disingenous to portray terrorism as a serious threat to public safety
3000 people died as a result of the 9/11/2001 attacks. Mortality statistics are reported annually, so that is 9 additional and unnecessary deaths for every day of 2001.
By comparison about 9000 people die each day in the US from all causes. 9/11 increased that number by 0.1%.
In the age range of most 9/11 victims (20 to 69 years) about 2200 die each day. So 9/11 increased that number by 0.37%.
About 100 people die every day in automobile accidents. Which, for the year, is 10 times more than 9/11.
If since 9/11 there had been 50 attacks of similar magnitude, the average US citizen’s risk of dying from terrorism would still be lower than the risk of dying in an automobile accident.
In a reality-based world, terrorism would be managed as a psychological threat rather than a physical one. (That’s what the “terror” bit means – they are not “exterminationists”).
Forget all the BS about “we need to do this to keep you and your family safe”. NO, ACTUALLY YOU DON’T! If politicians actually cared about my welfare, they would get much more bang for the buck by fixing healthcare. Unfortunately, it just suits their nefarious purposes so much better to nurture the fear.
fahrender– he’s not a marine, but Wes Clark is in and the Fighting Dems are too!
http://www.fighting-dems.com/
Interesting Fineman: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14922820/
Though I’m still trying to decipher that last sentence…”now less”???
fahrender -
let’s not forget Lt. Josh Rushing from the film Control Room – f’ ing Jack Armstrong, All American Boy – who is said now to be working for al Jazeera and their North American launch – loved that kid
True *ilbo, there are 3 odd posts at the end of late night that do not contribute anything here.
A followup to this:
bryan @ shotgunfreude @
61
I didn’t catch this earlier, but Kline’s chief of staff compared someone who complained about Kline’s aide’s racial slur to David Duke. That’s right – he compared him to David Duke because he objected to a racial slur.
The word about this has got to get out: a GOP incumbent and his staff are standing up for the propriety of racially offensive speech.
Look into the John Kline story at http://shotgunfreude.blogspot.com/, and get some support moving for Coleen Rowley for the MN-02 house race!
Not really OT: I’m reading “The Looming Tower” by Wright, on the road to al qaeda and 9/11. I am struck by how similar the jihadis are to the “end time” Xtians. They virtually have the same philosophy and goal, it’s just that Xtians do not have the convenient permission to use the sword that Mulsims can seem to find in the Quran.
Tortoise @ 87
….Forget all the BS about “we need to do this to keep you and your family safe”. NO, ACTUALLY YOU DON’T! If politicians actually cared about my welfare, they would get much more bang for the buck by fixing healthcare. Unfortunately, it just suits their nefarious purposes so much better to nurture the fear.
AMEN.
Another thing in “Looming Tower” that might be helpful in this disucssion. We are offering Democracy. That is expressly what jihadists are against, and that is why shoving democracy out there (via war, no less) is creating more jihadists. Bush doesn’t get that, and maybe we should point that out. The fact that many moderate Muslims DO want democracy, tho their authoritarian governments eschew it, could give a competent leader some traction against jihadis. But the risk here is that we are allys of these current authoritarian governments (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, et al.)
OK Kiddo, you still here? This might interest you – a local (Rochester) post mortem/ what’s next on the drubbing Tasini took in his primary vs. Hilary.
Anne @ 72
Sorry for not being able to squeeze everything into one post. I said it was a series. :-)
Generally speaking, though, here is the narrative for the “better way.”
Here’s how it applies to Iraq (with a bit more here).
I’ll flesh that out further in the next couple of installments as the week goes on.
On this danger of civil war in Iraq:
Besides the fact that all but the most blind have recognized that there is already a civil war, i wonder how many Republicans are willing to bet me even money, much less give me odds, that NO MATTER HOW MANY YEARS we wait before a pull out, draw down or whatever euphemism one might emit, there will be civil war in Iraq.
And I mean the kind that we don’t even want to think about.
The Sunnis, the Kurds and the Shia have too much bad blood between them. Every day we stay there, another bucket of bad blood gets put in their store rooms to remind them of their grievances. Especially between the Shia and the Sunni.
Call me cynical but I see no way to keep a full-on civil war from happening, and most of the people who piously say that we can’t leave because it will be a bloodbath if we do, are either being disingeuous (even though what they say is, technically, true), or they haven’t looked at the almost certainly inevitable.
We need to follow the Murtha plan and draw down. We will save our soldiers and Marines. The killing of Iraqis will be done by Iraqis. A real government will be formed.
How many Iraqis will die and how long it will take I don’t pretend to know, but the day when it will be accomplished is not hastened by our staying. I would like to be wrong.
End of rant.
angie @ 87
yes, and there are a lot of other military who get this probably much better than we do. I didn’t intend to devalue anyone who has served. i was just focusing in on Marines because, i think, they are the iconic, symbolic and real warrior image in the minds of most Americans and McClosky’s name came up in this thread. i’m not sure how many people know he is a Marine.
Freedom and liberty are traditional American values.
Freedom of speech is a traditional American value.
Separation of church and state is a traditional American value.
The way to derail the current cult of authoritarianism is to cite traditional American values. It doesn’t matter what you’re arguing for, you must frame it as a traditional American value. Traditionalism is a form of authoritarianism.
Remember when the Republicans started talking in terms of ‘traditional family values,’ and it sounded like empty rhetoric, because you could see right through it? Well, there are people who *need* that kind of rhetoric in order to *see your point.* Their situation is backwards: Without the appeal to tradition, there’s no argument. And *with* the appeal to tradition, you can say whatever the hell you want and people will believe it.
Now, in the cases I wrote above, they just happen to be true. There is a traditional American value of, for instance, separation of church and state. It predated the Constitution, and it predated the revolution. It’s about as traditional an American value as you can get: Freedom of religion. Freedom of speech. The ACLU fights for traditional American values. This is simply true.
Liberals represent traditional American values, and thus have the authority to speak to those matters. Traditionalism authoritarianism. Imagine a liberal polemicist on some MSNBC news chat show saying: “Liberals are all about traditional American values.” It would be true, wouldn’t it? That speaker would then be speaking to authoritarianists, as well as the choir.
all of the above talking points/arguments are good – but I keep using this one everytime one of my winger friends spouts the Limpballs crap about – security/torture -
I gently remind them their Great White Father Reagan (Randolph Scott !) had a couple thousand nukes pointed at WH everyday and I just don’t recall him telling anyone t/b afraid, let alone justifying torture, throwing out Habeas Corpus, or flushing the Constitution – and he knew what they had and where they had ‘em . . .
so are ya saying Ronnie was soft on defense ?
jeepers they hate that one
Uh, excuse my ignorance but how does one e-mail any of these postings? There used to be a feature and now I do not see it.
And do we have a plan, an exit strategy, to take our people out of Iraq if indeed there is a civil war?
That, in my opinion, is what clear-eyed realists need. Damn whether it’s PC or not PC. Who gives a f*ck? Lives are at stake, and they’re our soldiers. We have got to have an exit strategy.
And the Republicans don’t. They think it’s ‘apppeasing the enemy’ to even make such plans.
And they’re in charge, and we’re f*cking LOSING a battalion a month.
link
spiderpaws! click on spotlight at the bottom of the post.
The goopers have had the better of us not just in the use of language addressed in this post, but in tactics. Some of that advantage is simply the power of incumbency, especially in the White House. They can control the news cycle, at least in a relative vacuum. I agree with Anne at 73, that we must also offer a strong message of our own (and I have a thought on that in a minute). But first, we must do two things better that the Republicans do as easily as lying (which I don’t espouse):
1. Using Talking Points
2. Going Negative
No matter how much I might like (and I do, mainly) or dislike the language suggestions on this thread, it doesn’t matter if there is no discipline to them. When Ken “the Malone” Mehlman faxes, goopers follow the party line even when is so transparent as to be laughable. We resist such bald-faced attempts to tell or be told what to say, but unless Howard Dean and the DNC at least adopts and distributes the preferred language and responses and issues of the day we will be ever playing defense.
I see more hope on the second point, with ads like the brilliant one featuring body armor in the Virginia Senate race. this OUGHT to be a slam dunk, though. We are dealing with Republican rule that has corrupted or frittered away innumerable lives, jobs, dollars and the good will of only the whole freakin’ world. Every candidate can pick a muscular argument (”my opponent has been weak on, oh, crime, protecting our older citizens, standing up to North Korea, catching Osama bin Laden, immigration reform, oversight of runaway spending, hurricane relief, protecting cargo shipments, illegal drugs, ensuring a decent working wage, defending the Constitution” just for starters) and go with it.
As for the positive message that must follow, my word is “aspirations”. Americans feel we are on the wrong track and we just have to define what is the right track. We want an America that is respected around the world, because that will mean greater security and markets for our goods. We want a government that fights to defend constitutional rights–not to water them down. We want jobs. We want to know that Social Security and Medicare will be there when we need them. We want to have jobs for every able bodied person and we want them at wages that can provide a decent standard of living. We want peace. We want prosperity. We want , in short, what he had the last time the Democrats were in charge.
If they are going to get away with claiming success in the war on Terror because we haven’t been attacked, then by the same logic we can say to Dick Cheney et. al. “I don’t think it’s any accident that we have the largest trade deficit, and budget deficit and the highest gas prices and the greatest gap between the haves and the have nots in our history. In fact, I’d love to see an advertising campaign beginning with Darth saying “It’s no accident” and finishing with all those points and more.
Tortoise @ 86
true. but, 9/11 was a live media event. as horrible as it was for that many people to have died in such a short period of time what you have told us doesn’t register. after the first plane crashed into the towers the nation watched, live, much of what happened after. for the vast majority of Americans this trumps all of your statistics.
OT,
Swopa , I am so sorry, but Clarice has just sent a letter to the DOJ Office of Professional Responsibilty demnding an investigation of PatFitz
http://www.freerepublic.com/fo…..4505/posts
WTF is up with that?
The swiftboating begins in ernest.
lhp – tried to wiki Clarice (nada) is she a reporter?
Great post, Swopa! And comments, too, tho I read just a few before zipping down here to leave a comment.
There’s all kinds of examples of verses that can carry this chorus forward:
My slight revision for Swopa’s wonderful succinct sentence because it’s open arms to the moderate/Reagan/liberal Republicans who are disgusted by the current leadership.
Open arms to the independents and minority party people who recognize they don’t have enough clout on their own.
And a reminder to Dems/progressives/liberals why our fight matters so much. Because BushCo are going to keep up the negativity as long as it works, and this may be one way to stand up to that. Small stones….
[now back to reading more of your comments]
Help–what put me in moderation in 109 so I don’t do it again!
Swopa @ 96
Thanks, Swopa – truly didn’t mean to be negative on the whole idea of changing the conversation, I just think that for too long we have gotten sandbagged on the “so, what’s YOUR plan” thing, and that’s where the wind seems to go out of our sails.
We should be flooding the airwaves with what WE want to talk about, and we should be asking more ordinary Americans to realize that this isn’t just about choosing a Democrat over a Republican, but about choosing what kind of country, what kind of democracy we want to be.
Many years ago, ordinary people came here looking for a better way. Over time, they realized that geography was not going to solve the problems they came here to get relief from. Eventually, ordinary citizens with a vision for freedom made the choice to become a new country. After years of living under the thumb of a monarchy, they took up arms and fought and died for the opportunity to set their own destiny. Eventually, they came up with two documents that have been the definition of what America is and was intended to always be. Over the years, the Constitution has been amended to expand the rights of Americans, not further restrict them. Always, there has been a devotion to preserving the rights of the minority, and protecting the righrs of all people from the tyranny of a shifting majority.
The vision of those pioneers, born out of oppression and died for on battlefields, is dimming with each attempt to narrow those rights and freedoms, and to scare people into thinking that they must sacrifice liberty for security.
That is one of many false choices that have been presented to the American people.
We do need to remind people what it is that really needs protecting, for as much as we may fear loss of life and property from an attack on our shores, we should all be much more afraid of the attack on the core of what America is.
OT– but sheesh.
(emphasis mine)
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0920.html
angie @ 112
Well, that’s wrong in all sorts of ways. Separation of church and state, anybody?
looseheadprop @
107
Clarice is the Althouse of Plamegate. Only she is more anal and thicker.
Eureka, thanks, but what if I want to send the post to a friend who is not in the media…???
The Nefarious Leslie @
113
uuuuuuuuweee! we need a photographer at that meeting, that is, if they’re actually all on stage at the same time.
you would probably never guess, but, i grew up in the Baptist Church in Nashville. in case some of you don’t know it, Nashville is the Vatican City of the Southern Baptist Church. our preacher man was J. Harold Stephens. there has never been a straighter, rock hard, Baptist since the original. he was the Man. to this day i can remember him railing against the Catholic Church. seperation of church and state was fundamental to that man.
Eureka Springs, AR @
108
Clarice, i’m pretty sure, is a Washington attorney. She’s been a nattering nabob of negativity over at Hugh Hewitt’s tea and bisquits party since hector was a pup. At least i think it was his blog but it could’ve been one of the other loopy ones.
Here’s the link to FRC and its “illustrious” gallery of speakers and Huckabee, Santorum, Katherine Harris, Mitt Romney, K-Lo and too many others.
gag.
Here’s some of the topics:
Using the Media to Communicate our Message
The Future of Health Care: HillaryCare or Values-Driven Health Care
Training the Next Generation of Youth
and drumroll please:
In Defense of Mixing Church and State from Acts 16
http://www.frcaction.org/index…..;f=WX05E01
i find it outrageous that the American public supposedly believes that Republicans are better at protecting this country even though the current crop of hawkish administration leaders were all people who skipped out af any military fighiting. Americans believe this piece of nonsense because Republicans keep telling the people that this is so and, for some reason, Democratic leaders seem too polite to call them on this.
mayan @
24
You said a mouthful my man!! With you 100% and also am thrilled to have Deval running…
he will take our little Muffy to task and knock
her right out onto Beacon Street come January!
It is the beginning of a new era for Boston
politics…and let’s also change the House and Senate…the honcho’s need to be replaced…
On to victory!!
nicemonster @
48
The Ford Motor Company used a similar slogan back in the day.
ie: “Ford has A Better Idea”
President Bush’s war on terror is more effective against American political opponents in support of his corporate partners and financiers than it is in stopping terrorism. Osama, Al Qaeda, 9/11, Iraq, Katrina, by every objective measure, Bush has failed to protect the American People.
On issues of human dignity so vital to the moral basis of our efforts around the world and in the name of all Americans, Bush publicly advocates for torture removing all doubts about the connection between America and Abu Ghraib.
Bush spends more time on election politics, digging into the records of innocent Americans, breaking American law, violating our rights, and the Constitution, than he does in all the wars he has started.
Bush uses election politics to justify detaining people based on suspicion, without charge, contact with their families, legal representation, even the right to know their charges and for that they are routinely tortured.
Apparently using the same tactics as the terrorists causes no unease and are the standards President Bush invites the rest of the world to adopt; thereby turning America into that for which so many Americans have fought and died to oppose.
Watch out! The Democrats, after taking the back seat on a signature world issue, will be smeared again as weak on terrorism, by a bill they will vote for and Bush originally opposed.