
Looking at the civil war in Iraq, it's hard to imagine what would (will) happen if (when) George W. Bush turns his talents on Iran. If we think we've got problems now -- and we do -- going into Iran would make the bombs bursting in Baghdad seem like firecrackers at a football game.
Sam Gardiner has put together a fascinating and chilling report talking about what will happen once Bush and the Republicans turn their military sights and lack of planning on Iran. According to his official bio, Gardiner is a "retired U.S. Air Force colonel who has taught strategy and military operations at the National War College, Air War College, and Naval War College". He also did some war gaming on Iran, which James Fallows covered for the Atlantic Monthly.
In a new report for the Century Foundation, Gardiner lays out what's going to happen and how it will unfold, which I outline in the rest of this post. No, that's not exactly right, because it's already unfolding. But it's not like Iraq, with Wolfowitz and Perle filling Georgie's little head full of delusions of being greeted as the liberator of Iraq. This time the delusions are straight from Dubya.
...And on top of all of those pressures--pressure from Israel, pressure from those worried about a nuclear Iran, Iran in Iraq, and Iran in the war on terrorism--is another decisive piece of the puzzle: President George W. Bush. The argument takes several forms: the president is said to see himself as being like Winston Churchill, and to believe that the world will only appreciate him after he leaves office; he talks about the Middle East in messianic terms; he is said to have told those close to him that he has got to attack Iran because even if a Republican succeeds him in the White House, he will not have the same freedom of action that Bush enjoys. Most recently, someone high in the administration told a reporter that the president believes that he is the only one who can "do the right thing" with respect to Iran. One thing is clear: a major source of the pressure for a military strike emanates from the very man who will ultimately make the decision over whether to authorize such a strike--the president. And these various accounts of his motivations and rationales have in common that the president will not allow does-not-make-sense arguments to stand in the way of a good idea.
The End of the "Summer of Diplomacy" - Assessing Military Options on Iran (pdf), by Sam Gardiner, Colonel, USAF (Ret.) (h/t)
The first important tactic, according to Gardiner, is to stay "below the CNN Line". It was the advice given to the Air Component Commander, General Mike Mosley, during the classified secret air strikes that took place in Iraq in July 2002. You remember, it was right after Bush came home from Europe to say, "I have no war plans on my desk."
As for what happens when we decide to go above the CNN line, it starts with sanctions. But we all know these won't work, so the next step will be obvious and meant to look as if the Bush administration tried their best to follow a diplomatic path. When sanctions don't work, air strikes are to follow. Here are the targets, as Gardiner sees them: nuclear facilities; military air bases; air defense command and control; terrorist training camps; chemical facilities; medium-range ballistic missiles; 23rd Command Division; Gulf-threatening assets: submarines, anti-ship missiles, naval ships, small boats. He goes on talking about follow-on strikes.
Oh, and it will be an American operation. But you likely already figured that one out.
As Gardiner stipulates, not even the experts know how Iran will react. But you can sure make educated guesses at some of the consequences of Bush striking Iran. Gardiner does just that and none of it's good, because there are no good military options on this one.
The Iranians would likely look to target Israel as a response to a U.S. strike, using Hezbollah as the primary vehicle for retaliation. ...
Moqtada al-Sadr has said publicly that if the United States were to attack Iran, he would target U.S. forces in Iraq.
Iran could channel more individuals and weapons into Iraq. ...
Moqtada al-Sadr controls the large Facilities Protection Service forces in Iraq. Some estimates put this force as large as 140,000. ... read on ...
There is a lot at stake right now, but the trouble is, according to Gardiner, the game has already begun. I wonder how many people in Congress know?
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‘mornin’, Taylor!
Fitz!
I love doing that
Couldn’t stand the thought of polluting “0″ with a comment on Matalin this morning on Imus.
They are in full court press, aren’t they?
Hmmm, she mentions talking to folks in NH and CT…one wonders if she’s working on J-Lie’s campaign….
And the fact that Chee-knee shot an old guy in the face? Hey, that’s not a political event… yeah, right. Tell it to Ken-the-Perv Starr.
She’s spewin’ the kool-aid…. but ol’ Imus is pushing her hot buttons hard.
When Bush attacks Iran who will hold him accountable? Who has the power to stop him?
Bush needs to be dragged out of the WH in leg irons.
and very soon…
Mornin’ Taylor.
Mornin” Firepups.
OT but I have to ru n and wanted to get this out there.
Evidently Peter King, my Congressman has GUTTED money that ws meant to fuffill a 9-11 Commission recommendation that first responers have radios that can actually allow them to talk to each other.
Sheesh!
Read it and weep. In particular New Yorkers should be out with tourcges and pitchforks.
King’s claim to fame is that he was made head of the Homeland Security Cimmittee to make the Big Apple safe.
If I were the loved one of a firefighter or police officer, or a Union Official representing any first responder, I would be flexing my considerble muscle in Kings’s direction.
And Yes, I mean you, Gary Del Robbia.
Read it and weep
http://kingwatch.blogspot.com/.....first.html
last night Rayne mentioned that the Warner, McCain, Graham bill for the Geneva Conventions does NOT prohibit torture of children. I know there were kids kept in Gitmo and it seems to me that Sy Hersh saw a video of Abu Gharib with a young boy being raped in order to get his father to talk… he said the sound of it was beyond horrible.
I barely can get my mind around the fact that we are torturing adults, torturing kids is almost unthinkable…
time to hit the phones again…
Will you put a link up so that people who visit your site and want to can easily write a note to congress in support of The Brad Blog Uprising’s push to get an emergency paper ballot mandate? I used The Nations Mail System which I have bookmarked, but I can’t figure out a way to post a link to it.
LET AMERICA VOTE ACT
(EMERGENCY PAPER BALLOT MANDATE OF 2006)
Emergency paper ballots shall be made available at every voting jurisdiction in the United States during the November 7th, 2006 General Election. These paper ballots shall be available in sufficient numbers for optional use by voters who prefer to use them, and by all voters in the event of voting machine failure or unavailability. These paper ballots are not to be provisional ballots, but regular paper ballots that shall be counted immediately upon the close of polls on election night along with all other votes cast by properly registered voters.
Sometimes I wish Iran & Iran were located where Canada is so that Bush would be too scared to attack. It’s so easy for him since the repurcussions are on the other side of the world. He’s like most Americans…lay down a map of the world on Election Day and dare most voters to circle Iraq with a highlighter. I really don’t think the percentage of those circling the correct country would be higher than 20%.
I wonder the same thing, Mark W.
Why can’t he be stopped before he goes too far?
When will the people of his Administration or the Generals simply say,”No. It’s a f*cking horrible idea.”
*sigh*
I really hate GWB.
I don’t really see how we stop this. It’s not like we can urge our senators to vote against the Iran War Authorization. There isn’t going to be one.
We could tell our reps in Congress that if Bush attacks Iran w/o a Congressional war authorization, we expect them to impeach him. For all the good that will do.
What preventative, pro-active things can we do?
Get it above the CNN line, somehow?
According to Ben Ferencz, the greatest crime against humanity is starting a war of aggression.
GQ article on Lamont/Lieberman is up, well worth a look.
http://men.style.com/gq/featur.....ntent_5003
What if?
1. the U.S. will achieve total pariah status. Not even Tony Blair will have anything to do with us.
2. The Arab oil embargo of the 1970s will look like a day at the beach.
3. The U.S. economy will completely crash.
I never thought I’d fantasize for a military coup in this country, but yes, whp can stop Bush? He’s a madman.
4. It will be open season on U.S. military and diplomatic personnel abroad.
Did anyone see Turley on K.O last night?? He implied that several people would be coming forward in the next few days/weeks that they were tortured by “waterboarding”. He suggested that Bush signed off to allow certain military staff to be trained as “tortureres” and that this is illegal in every nation in the U.N. He sounded as if Bush could in fact be brought up on charges of war crimes. I know he has his own agenda representing those detainees who have suffered at the U.S hands but wondering is there any legal UMPHHH!! to this. Turley sounded as if the U.S would have to do something to sanction Bush or risk looking like terrorist ourselves. (for shame). Is this just one more hope that we could get this guy out of office before he does anymore damage or could there be something to this???
I have a button that I wear pretty much every day now.
It says:
I Never Thought I’d Miss Nixon
Is it at all possible that the senior officers in the military would not execute an order to attack another country after seeing first hand the mess that has become Iraq?? With the ‘Messiahs’ approval rating in the dumper and the Republican infighting isn’t there hope that a large majority of officers would just say “screw this” and hold there ground? The man (w/ Rumsfeld help of course) has destroyed the military and I just get the feeling that the career guys in the ranks despise the commander in chief! I think if they did disobey an order they would also have the approval of citizens in our country being we understand what this would do to our already shaky econonmy (not to mention the number of lives saved on the ground.)
katie Jensen @ 17
Maybe get these people in front of the Senate as they’re “debating” the torture bill?
Since the whole world has been declared a terror zone, is this all accomplished under the AUMF? Are there no checks or balances on this? Or do we have the Republican rubber-stamps as our last hope? Make no mistake, there is a rush going on. The MSM has been pounding the meme into our brains for several weeks now, so the shock of it has worn off and the American people are now ready for the second stage of propaganda, that of rallying round our President.
Hi. I’m a longtime lurker who explodes on occasion, then re-disappears. Just a thought on “our nation wants peace” from Bush’s UN appearance: it reminds me of the quote on the Emperor Justinian (?)(and also used in Sandburg’s “The People, Yes”): He made a desert and called it peace.
… the president is said to see himself as being like Winston Churchill, and to believe that the world will only appreciate him after he leaves office; he talks about the Middle East in messianic terms…
What bebimbob said @ 15 — he’s nuts. Here’s something I wrote in June 2003:
The only way Dubya could talk himself out of cowering in the corner after 9/11 was to convince himself that he was God’s chosen instrument against terrorism. He’s nuts.
Iran will close the Strait of Hormuz, the US will become a pariah overnight.
The US will suffer one or more attacks (not spectacular, but unnerving), and the Bill of Rights will go into the shitcan. Martial Law will be declared, elections postponed, and Preznit Messianic Visions designated by acclamation as King George I by the remainder of the republican congress, before it dissolves itself out of respect for the Throne and to avoid arrest.
Iran will buy the Nukes it can’t build, and deliver one to a major US city, prompting a retaliation which will be like using an elephant gun to kill a mosquito. Iran will be radioactive and dead. Islam will be on fire, and the crusades will look like good times forgotten.
Preznit Rapture will happily go on knowing that on the day of the rapture, he’ll be given his place at the right hand of God. Unfortunately for him, she’ll be asian, lesbian and pissed (thanks for the imagery sort-of, Kevin Smith).
Now back to your regularly scheduled fear.
swopa - my feeling is shrubya is so scared, he needs all the power and might of the U.S. military to protect him…
he scares himself with all the talk of terror (shows us just how frightened he’s become)
I happened to flip over to CSPAN and at the top of the page it looked like they were voting for
“Religious Freedom For Iran”
Did anyone else see this??
What the hell was that?
The scorched earth president is a man of peace. That is one of the most depressing aspects of his current lecture circuit. When we see the images from Iraq everyday, the constant death and destruction, contrasted with his fairy tale gloss about peace and democracy, it is an outrage.
Swopa @ 24
Last night, I mean, around the time Keith was on!
OldCoastie @
5
Hear. Hear.
Jo Fish @ 25
Gosh, you make Bush sound just like a religious terrorist crusader.
lina @ 14
4. There will be chaos in the streets of America.
If you missed Terry Gross interview with Pastor John Hagee, you should give it a listen. In the context of Rice’s “birth pangs” characterization Gardiner’s characterization of Bush’s foreign policy as “Messianic”, it is chilling.
Speaking of chilling (as in using the IRS to attack liberal churches in an election season because they are “political”), don’t forget how explicitly political the winger churches are.
Swopa, it may be time to repost that. It is chilling.
drinksforall @ 19
Excellent discussion of this possibility here .
OldCoastie @
7
John Yoo gave a glimpse of White House thinking on that matter in following exchange that occurred in a debate in Chicago with Professor Doug Cassel of Notre Dame:
Some legal scholars accuse progressives of “demonizing” and “villifying” Professor Yoo. But in 1950, the Nuremberg Tribunal defined Crimes against Peace as:
Certainly Yoo’s guilt is no greater than that of say Joseph Goebbels, but the Nuremberg Tribunal never got to rule on Goebbels’s guilt.
Note to the FDL Webmaster:
I use the Mozilla Firefox browser, and live links do not show up in a different color unless the cursor happens to pass over them. It sure would be helpful to readers if you could make the change in the FDL blog scripts that would have them show all the time. I know it can be done because it’s an inherrent feature of the theme I use on the Word Press blog I run. I must have spent a full minute or more trying to find a live link for Gardiner’s report. God only knows how many links I would have found informative in the past that I didn’t know existed because they were invisible.
Speaking of maps, every American should be able to complete this. Especially those with loved ones in the region.
http://www.rethinkingschools.o.....pgame.html
[Dear Mods: clean up in aisle 36 - thank you.]
Shout-out and thanks to all FirePups, appreciate your being there last night. Tests came back fine, probably a skeletal problem causing the pleuritic pain, spouse released and now home.
Hope that Mrs. Redshift will have similarly fine test results today.
George Orwell witnessed the horrors of the totalitarianism of Hitler and Stalin, and anticipated their high-tech successor, Big Brother, who would protect the people of Oceania. Karl Rove read 1984 and saw the possibilities, not a horror story but a vision to be implemented: universal surveillance, a hated enemy, and Room 101 for those who failed to cooperate in their own protection.
Jo Fish @
24
and maybe Sharkbabe can stand in for St. Peter…….
Rayne @ 39
super, Rayne. i’ll bet the both of you sleep well tonight…
Taylor:
You always have such a profound insight into the dangers arising in the ME. What strikes me as most dangerous in all of this is Bush’s delusion of bringing democracy to the ME. There is no rational dealing with a delusional individual. Maybe we should have some mental health professionals bring him back to reality.
Wigwam — thank you very much for this painful bit:
This is how Bush has been counseled; he has been told there is very little that can stop him — and that maiming and assaulting of CHILDREN is within his purview.
Worse, it has been done, as a simple search around the internets will tell you, and it has been done because of the very same counsel to Bush, and in our names.
Do not let them do this to yet more children in yet another country. At some point we must consider doing far more than we did in 2002 and 2003 to stop these mad men who believe they have impunity torture children in our names.
meta @ 38
Wow. My performance on that test was embarassing!
Thanks for that link. I obviously need some educating!
Taylor - You are right on. And it is scary. The difference between Iran and Iraq however is that this time there will most likely be no British, Spanish and Italian support. Nor are there expats (such as the anti-Saddam people) calling for this move. Bush will be doing it alone. It suggests how scared the Bushies are about the next election. Also, how out of touch they are with world opinion and that of most professionals here. This is also a move that involves great risk, for Israel will be a key brunt of counter attacks. And, as the recent foray in Lebanon proved both to Israel and Syria supporters, Israel is not all that secure when faced with massive popular attack from the outside.
I would love to see someone here and elsewhere in the blogs (more clever and connected than I) put together something politically pre-emptive before any Iran air attacks can actually take place.
it’s a great post trex
I want to clarify one point
give us greater access to all that sweet, black, delicious oil. Oil, oil, oil.
it’s to resrict the market so they can raise the price, it’s not having the oil, it’s being ablle to resrtict the oil
nice post…cut and pasting it with links to here I am
Daily Kos has a great discussion going about the Turley interview with K.O. It’s chilling the point he makes and it makes me angry that the dems continue to sit back without speaking up on this one and framing it properly.
We have to get Bush out of office or we will be completely alone when he attacks Iran.
Yay, Rayne!
I mentioned the following last night, but it bears repeating here. . .
I’ve been playing around lately in some archives of old speeches, and your post made me think of Douglas MacArthur. Not exactly a bleeding heart liberal progressive. But in 1962, he was given the Thayer Award at West Point - a huge honor - and used the occasion of the award to talk about the code of “Duty - Honor - Country”.
Here’s a taste of General MacArthur’s address to the corps of cadets:
I’m guessing that Bush never connected with the whole “Duty-Honor-Country” thing in the Texas Air National Guard.
More from MacArthur:
Bush could learn a lot from listening to old, dead soldiers. It might help the living soldiers to stay that way a good while longer, and give their prayers for peace a much better chance of being realized.
We need all of Europe to put sanctions on the US. That’s the only way to get the american people to wake up to stop the madman.
good morning, and gotta run.
Lobster @ 34
Yesterday there were political ads on NPR for the upcoming elections. One attacked the Democrat on the issue of wiretaps. From the above mentioned article, I highlight this:
“LUTTWAK: It’s more like an erosion. The president is usurping additional powers. Although what’s interesting is that the president’s usurpation of this particular power was entirely unnecessary. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court, which approves terrorism-related requests for wiretaps, can be summoned over the telephone in a matter of minutes. In its entire history, it has said no to a request for surveillance only a handful of times, and those were cases where there was a mistake in the request. Really, even a small-town sheriff can get any interception he wants, so long as after the fact he can show a judge that there was reasonable cause.”
So many battles, so little time.
Also bear in mind, that the Air Force will probably be called on to do the deed, a military branch now overrun at every level with fundies. The better to bring about the hoped for Rapture. Also, it is less likely the upper brass will speak out against the plan. (I can’t get out of my head that horrible image that was posted of kids praying before the huge image of Bush and the flag during bible summer camp).
the president is said to see himself as being like Winston Churchill, and to believe that the world will only appreciate him after he leaves office; he talks about the Middle East in messianic terms
A lot has been said about Winston Churchill that is not very flattering. That he was bipolar, craved power, was the last of the imperalists, etc. However, Churchill did not invent the threat of Nazi Germany– Not like Chimpco invented the threat of nucular weapons in Iraq, which is more like how Hitler invented the “threat” of Poland and the Jewish folks in order to goosestep into Poland and detain/torture/kill millions of persons in concentration camps and Gestapo posts, and spurn the precurser to the United Nations. If I was being nice, I would say ChimpCo is Napolean sailing on the battleship Potemkin.
There is no way for this administration to “make nice” with Iran, because it has become clear to everyone in the ME and many in Asia that BushCo is intent on stamping his own facist brand of hegemony on them. Especially since ChimpCo showed so little sympathy when it came to those Lebanese civilains, many of them children.
Cheney recently said he would do exactly the same thing w/r/t Iraq “knowing what we now know” (of course! They knew what we know now back then too. This might have been the one time Cheney was telling the truth!).
This admin. has an agenda that dates back to way before 9/11 and has nothing to do with terrorism, and NOTHING detracts these dangerous fools from their own agenda. Some nuisance or tragedy pops up, like 9/11 or Katrina? They just USE it to further that agenda.
They are the only known. What is unclear to me is how and when so many Americans became so stupid, ignorant and like cult members that lunatics like these ever came to power and have managed to hold onto it despite all that has happened.
Great post Taylor. It is going on already - by all reports Rumsfeld has been sending or allowing terrorists groups to go back and forth over the border for disrupstions with fair impunity.
The more Bush is under the gun for things like torture, the more the noise machine turns out and his numbers creep up, so it reinforces his perception that he gains approval and support through war and crime. No one is disabusing him of that concept.
lhp- the first responders piece is hard to believe. Hasn’t this been “THE” issue on the table for preparedness? For natural and man-made disasters?
Old Coastie - I’ve never really heard any confirmation of the Hersh story, only that the private review Rumsfeld arranged of a few members of Congress and “unreleased” info had them shaken. I do think that there is blastocyte protection in both the Bush and Graham bills.
Demand for Torture Investiations/COmmissions? I may try to throw together a long post later, but I just looked yesterday at some of the pieces that ran here and there in the press last year and one piece as a long examination of pros/cons torture (in NYT I think - by an ex-editor?) In any event, one of the statement that jumped right out at you was that Collins and others the author spoke with said they weren’t hearing anything from constituents on the matter.
Is there no way - with the list below - to get support for demanding a torture investigation before torture legislation (incuding doing away with Habeas) is passed? It’s not “torturing terrorists because there is a ticking time bomb, it IS:
1. Beating an innocent cab driver across his legs until bone and muscle are jellied, then leaving him tied in a position where has to try to stand on the pulverized mass to be able to breathe - and having the innocent tortured many die when he cannot.
2. Kidnapping an innocent Canadian citizen and sending them to Syria for torture all the while hiding from Canada what we were doing. Leading to the most recent Canadian investigation which (and no one is talking about this part much) has indicated that the RMCP et al have rules about sharing intelligence with countries who torture and that now applies to the US - so the Canadian judge is indicating that Bush’s actions are threatening the ability of our border ally to share info with us.
3. Kidnapping and directly handling and participating in the torture of an innocent German citizen travelling on a valid passport based on his name. Just that. Kind of like the Omars murdered in Baghdad. Threatening our relations with Germany.
4. Kidnapping from Italy for torture, resulting in indictments issued against 20 purported CIA or other Executive Branch agents and embroiling the US in Italian investigations of intelligence misconduct.
5. Being in the position where we now have to confess to the existence of rendition flights that were previously denied, with the result that Spain has a judge that has required an investigation - the US State Dept is giving Spain the somewhat implausible story that: yes, renditition flights did land in Spain, but pinky-swear they were always “empty” and we were “just” on our way to or from torture sites or kidnapping, never did we land on your soil with a kidnapped or tortured victim. Oddly enough, they are still investiating even after that reassuring statement.
6. The European COuncil and other organizations are all involved in an investigation of rendition flights that Our Own Congress is ignoring.
7. Americans are having to find out from investigation in other countries what the American Govt has been doing - including, with Arar, the release of times, places and names all of which were paranoically claimed as “state secrets” in the Arar litigation here.
8. WIth the 14 arrivals at Guantanamo, there is still no explantion of what has happened with the up to 80 additional kidnapped persons acknowledged in some reports, or the CIA Inspector General’s investigation that last year Dana Priest said might be looking into three dozen renditions of wholly innocent people.
9. WIth torture of even those with acknowledged ties to al-Qaeda, there has not been any ticking time bomb scenario. The PResident has yet to acknowledge that Zubaydah was known to be nuts before his questioning, that to escape torture he invented all kinds of plots on malls and public places that did not really exist - but gave his torturers something so they would reduce his torture, and someone really needs to ask about the Padilla confessions he made, especially since the Florida court is going to allow torture statements to be used in the Padilla trial (thank you Ashcroft & Co for what you have done to this country) Bucket swinging Mr. President? The “critically important” info involved bucket swinging?
10. Perhaps most importantly, the torture of al-Libi was used to get him to make Cheney approved statements on training camps etc. in Iraq, all of which have been proven untrue, but which were very much wanted by Cheney to help flesh the grounds for going to war - and torture got him the lies he needed.
11. Then there are all the completely innocent persons, like the Chinese Uighars, that have been kidnapped and sent to GITMO and had no way to secure any release until the courts that Graham and Bush both want to get rid of became involved. Why hasn’t any committee had them, or anyone similar, before it to discuss things that went wrong - very wrong - and how to prevent them with any new legislation? For that matter, why hasn’t anyone asked Rumsfeld under oath to go into his “worst of the worst” and “captured on the battlefield, have to keep them from returning to the battlefield” statements? And then follow up on the Uighars etc.?
12. There is also the issue of children. Children kidnapped with their parents and held. Children used to make their parents talk. Children tortured themselves. Reports of all of them going unchecked (to where it is no surprise to hear about troops raping a 14 yo and murdering her and her baby sister, as well as parents - Bush, Cheney, Pace, Rumsfeld, Hayden, Tenet, Gonzales, Ashcroft etc. - all allowing children to be kidnapped and used as fodder, exactly what message does that send to troops on the ground, encouraged to hate all the Iraqis anyway?
How can you have that panolpy and no one in Congress is saying they need to investigate the Bush Administration torture programs and orders before they authorize legislation?
And no one saying that this President, who has claimed all kinds of power he doesn’t have - but which Congress has handed over like lunch money to a bully - DOES have the power of pardon, making amnesty provisions unnecessary. If he has ordered violations of law, he can pardon them. If torture has taken place without his knowledge or consent, then he would obviously want it investigated and punished, not covered up and given amnesty - right?
Anyone want to ask what kinds of things both the Bush and the Graham bills would provide amnesty to for Hussein? After all, the Kurds were all un-uniformed “enemy combatants”
“I wonder how many people in Congress know?”
I swear I’ve seen reports, but can’t remember where, that there are several members of Congress who have been briefed in and who are, if anything, at least as hawish on this as the President.
trueblue @
45
trueblue, it took me quite a few minutes!
Rayne #39: Thanks for the good news!
After the Iran/Iraq war, Bush finishes what Iran could not.
After years of buffering by its enemies Afghanistan and Iraq, both like Iran, have become Shiite dominated, neither are stable democracies, increasing Iran’s influence.
After financing Iran’s nuclear program, support of Hamas and Hezbollah, with ever-increasing oil revenues and his energy policies, Bush wants war against that which his policies created.
Hamas, democratically elected, Hezbollah could be too. Both have more influence than ever.
These are the results of Bush’s plan to stabilize the region by spreading democracy.
What does this mean?
Good Morning Taylor and Firedogs
The Frontline Cheney Heart of Darkness Show confirmed something we all frequently hit on - it’s a small company town - and gossip, innuendo, and other snippets of truth are the lingua franca - everyone watching came away knowing that many of them knew plenty - and how much they knew was indicative of their spot on the Power food chain -
Gonna sound simplistic, but I’ve reduced their silence and acquiescence on AUMF to the then prevailing political atmosphere - political suicide to go up against that damn bullhorn - they’ve now seen where that leads - in addition the country’s mood and atmosphere have changed greatly -
so my constant, fervent prayer is many, many more will resist this time - and trust me, I know how naive that sounds - they should be speaking out NOW, but it’s all we’ve got
Redshift - hope all goes well, Rayne - glad all has gone well.
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Yesterday rawstory had a piece up that several choices were going to be approaching Lieberman to take a torture stand today.
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Wigwam - demonizing Yoo’s legal theories is like mustardizing grey poupon.
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OldCoastie @ 7
Does anyone know who might have provided Sy Hersh with this video? Sounds like something that needs to be leaked, and soon because Americans who support his position on torture naively think he’s just talking about serious bad-asses like OBL and Zarqawi (sp?).
How many Americans do suppose are aware that we not only captured Khalid Sheik Muhammad, we also captured his little kids?
This is what makes me a raving lunatic: if GWB is ok with raping a kid or crushing the testicles of a little boy, what hope is there?
kos is posting a wapo link that says the administration is dropping it’s request to redefine the genva treaty
however they are trying to get “immunity” for “our soldeirs to protect them”
translation;
“imunity for myself using our soldiers as sheilds”
Mary @56–
Thank you for pulling all these details together.
Talk about shocking the senses
Think Wolfie will ask Bushie about crushing little boy’s testicles when they go One-on-One [yeeeeuuuuuuwwwwww] in the Situation Room later today?
fyi, Wolfie/CNN was soliciting email questions, if you want an exercise in timewasting. Get real, CNN…put Cafferty on the case.
Danbury @ 55:
Why wouldn’t he? The war goes exactly as planned. Huge profits for the reconstruction and defense industries. The longer it goes on, the bigger the profiteering. We always seem to think that Bush had no plan for after the invasion. That is not true. His plan was all along for his cronies to profit from the war.
Mary @ 56
this is also a great post mary
do you have links to your enumerations, becuase I would SURELY like to referance your points but I WILL need the links
thanx in advance
Anyone know if chimpy is speaking publicly today? other than to blitzer
Mary: If I could write like you, I’d quit my day job.
Turley said that Bush is a “clear and present danger.” Something serious must be done.
Rayne: I must have missed you and the Mr. being under the weather. Hope is well with you both soon.
me to me — we will have to be VERY firm with own troops, even with people who may be family.
We must demand that our own troops be held to account for any acts of torture that were in violation of the Geneva Convention. By focusing on the most obvious and egregious examples — explicitly those where children were tortured or killed in an attempt to extract information — we are working in an arena where it should be absolutely clear there is NEVER permission, ZERO tolerance of this kind of behavior.
As a family member of a soldier who served in Iraq, I say this with no small amount of trepidation and concern, knowing the extremes under which we placed our troops, but I must hold to account even my own family member if they could not find it in themselves to have the basic humanity to reject and refuse to do something so abhorrent to all normal humans.
If we cannot do this, hold even our own accountable, we will not be able to hold that spoiled mad man and his minions accountable; we will be complicit by informed inaction.
You know the reason we are all so scared of what lies ahead with Iran, don’t you? It’s because we don’t have any faith that the other two branches of government can restrain this administration or hold it accountable. We are like a vehicle that has no brakes and no emergency brakes, and there’s a madman at the wheel.
I mean, how do you restrain an executive who willfully ignores and flouts the checks that are imposed on him? And where there is no price to be paid, no consequences exacted for having done so?
We’re afraid because the attitude and message is, “We’re doing what we want, we don’t care what you think, we don’t care what the courts rule, and there’s nothing you can do to stop us.”
That’s why we are afraid. The country’s in the hands of a madman, and we might as well turn the Congress into an orchestra, so that we can be entertained with music as the nation tumbles into the abyss.
(Glad to hear that Mr. Rayne is okay, and hoping all goes well with the Redshifts today)
Glad to find out that there were protests outside of the UN yesterday against the occupation of Iraq and Bush. Bush’s speech at the UN was so unreal and arrogant, and what was with the special treatment of the lights being lowered like a star was coming on stage? Interesting to watch the different countries reaction as Bush talked to them like 3rd graders being scolded in school, I was just waiting for some booing or something. I sure didn’t care for his lies one more time.
C-span yesterday had the talk on if the U.S. should get out of the UN, waste of money blah blah. Then there’s the International Criminal Court, might have been a way to solve problems of accountability , but the Bush Administration withdrew on the treaty May 2002, and 3 months later Bush signed a new law prohibiting any U.S. cooperation with the ICC. The law went so far as to include a provision authorizing the president to “use all means necessary and appropriare,” including a military invasion of the Netherlands, to free U.S. personnel detained or imprisoned by the ICC. … If the United States showed more interest in building an international justice system, they could have put Saddam Hussein on trial for his 1990 invasion of Kuwait. http://www.commondreams.org/cg.....825-06.htm
So will Bush attach Iran? Looks like he’s aiming to, and I guess I’d take what he says seriously. He certainly isn’t interested in Peace as he claims yesterday, or we would still be a country ratified with the International Criminal Court.
NPR has a story today on the Pentagon’s Office of Special Plans, the same group that brought us the Iraq invasion. OSP is Cheney’s baby.
Cheney only has two more years to take Iran. He’s got Bush on his timetable: make a speech at the UN, say the US wants peace, impose sanctions, claim Iran violated nuclear treaty, nuke ‘em.
The US doesn’t have the troops to invade Iran. No, I fear this is going to go nuclear.
me to me @ 64
I think it was all kabuki anyway. The result Bush and Graham and Warner all wanted is amenesty for the President and the people he directed to commit crimes - so something more egregious had to be put on the table to make that look like the “good” alternative.
The fact that the House committee, including a huge chunk of the Dems, is ready to go foward with that legislation is mind numbing - and why I am not very enthused over voting for Dems bc they are going to change one God Damned (used in the biblical sense) thing.
Rayne @
44
One of things I find most painful is that the Republicans, Bush, McCain, and the rest, want to ratify in law the just-following-orders defense, which was so thoroughly repudiated at Nuremberg. They use the words “good faith” rather than “just following orders,” but it amounts to the same thing: “It committed these crimes in good faith on the assurance of my boss and/or counsel that all this stuff was legal.” This defense is already written into McCain’s Detainee Treatment Act of 2005.
me to me - yes, I’ll have to dig around some but I can get links to most Some of the Zubaydah and al-Libi is from Suskind’s book (although I know that there have been other sources that the “reports”(i.e., al-Libi’s torture statements) of training camps were disproved. I’ll probably have to just throw stuff up here and there instead of in one place, but I’ll get you links or quotes. The Suskind info on Zubaydah- some passages have been quoted so often that there are probably net references too.
Mary thank you for always remembering the people who have been so egregiously abused. You put faces and lives to the words.
That’s powerful and it matters and I thank you.
Dilawar, and so many others, deserve that from us.
Thank you for the post Taylor.
Hitler just wanted to rule the world.
Bush wants to destroy it.
All of this reminds me that I got a letter from my Rep. Rosa DeLauro, ending with this, more or less: “I have no confidence in (Preznit) Bush to address this threat. That is why I joined (Rep.) DeFazio and more than 40 of my colleagues in writing to Bush, warning him that any premeditated attack on Iran would be unconstitutional unless authorized by Congress.”
And then:
” With America bogged down in Iraq and the current situation in Lebanon, I am doubtful about U.S. Military action against Iran. But for sure we cannot allow the administration another unilateral military action that hurts rather than helps our security.”
Uh, er . . . spotlight to Congresscritters please?
me to me - A lot of links will be in these pieces from Obsidian Wings
but trying to find some for you, I just came across their new post up on Arar.
The Canadian report mentions in a vague way the need to investigate other Canadians held/tortured in Syria. Well, OW’s new piece is that the torture of some of those persons probably contributed to the pick up and torture of Arar.
Salem Witch Trials, now @ circa 2002 et seq.
Waterboarding: For when a dunking stool is just too much trouble.
Now -
something being discussed everywhere but the US Congress and OSP, is the Shia Crescent or Shia Revival as fueled/emboldened by US in Iraq. TDS had some Prof from one of the service academies on who has written on it (hint, hint, Dems)suspect there’s plenty over at Prof. Cole’s place - so there’s plenty out there as to just how swell Cheney’s Iran plans will go
am linking these 2 from Steve as they have the ring of authenticity to them
tidbit - yeah there’s the Medhi Army and Badr Brigades, but what about shia in Saudi rising up ? huh? what about the Kurds/Turks, huh ?
Iran Part 1 (Gilliard)
http://stevegilliard.blogspot......ke-pt.html
Iran Part 2 (Gilliard)
http://stevegilliard.blogspot......e-pt2.html
Mary @
62
Thanks, I like that.
Yesterday, you commented:
It’s my understanding that the War Crimes Act makes Common Article 3 a source of judicially enforceable individual rights, and that both bills are gutting the War Crime act when they legislate to the contrary. (FWIW, I have no legal training, and will gladly defer to superior knowledge on this matter.)
Mary @ 79
thank you so much
please tag your links with a referance to my name so I can use the control=f to find them
/much apprecuated mary
Open for business
Trade show in Irbil
It was just an ordinary trade show - booths papered with colorful displays and overflowing with brochures. It was the hum of business, the sound of sales pitches and the slap of handshakes.
Except this trade show was in Iraq.
The city of Irbil hosted “Rebuild Iraq 2006” Sept. 14-17. More than 800 companies from 27 countries were represented inside a makeshift convention center in the capital of the Kurdistan region. Raid Rahmani, an engineer and chairman of the Iraqi Economic Development Corporation, had just two months to put the event together, but said he had little trouble filling the hall.
“People see that now is the time to come together and do business in Iraq,” he said.
http://coolblue.typepad.com/th.....index.html
clean up requested : 266 last thread!
Go here for Iraq trade show: DEFEND AMERIOCA http://www.defendamerica.mil/a.....06dg3.html