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		<title>By: Rev Zafod</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/18/olbermann-on-fire-again/#comment-301979</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev Zafod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 01:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bush’s comments need closer examination. [also posted at C&amp;L]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Mr. President, former Secretary of State Colin Powell says the world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism,” he was asked by a reporter.  “If a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and former secretary of state feels this way, don’t you think that Americans and the rest of the world are beginning to wonder whether you’re following a flawed strategy?”&lt;br /&gt;
“If there’s any comparison between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist tactics of extremists, it’s flawed logic,” Bush said.  “It’s just — I simply can’t accept that. It’s unacceptable to think that there’s any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  Let’s look at those statements, skipping the ‘unacceptable’ part:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…any comparison between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist tactics of extremists, it’s flawed logic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  In the first he refers to the American people.  In the next he refers to the behavior of the USA.  He falsely equates both with his administration.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  He is neither “the American people”, nor “the USA”.  He is the head of his administration, and it is becoming more evident by the day that it is quite thinkable to equate the actions of his adminstration and himself with “the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  And that’s why he’s so angry, and needs a retroactive pass for the laws he’s broken, both national and international.  You can bet that once he’s out of office he’ll never leave the country lest he be nabbed and shipped off to The Hague for trial.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush’s comments need closer examination. [also posted at C&amp;L]</p>
<p>“Mr. President, former Secretary of State Colin Powell says the world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism,” he was asked by a reporter.  “If a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and former secretary of state feels this way, don’t you think that Americans and the rest of the world are beginning to wonder whether you’re following a flawed strategy?”<br />
“If there’s any comparison between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist tactics of extremists, it’s flawed logic,” Bush said.  “It’s just — I simply can’t accept that. It’s unacceptable to think that there’s any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.”</p>
<p>  Let’s look at those statements, skipping the ‘unacceptable’ part:</p>
<p>…any comparison between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist tactics of extremists, it’s flawed logic.</p>
<p>…any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.</p>
<p>  In the first he refers to the American people.  In the next he refers to the behavior of the USA.  He falsely equates both with his administration.</p>
<p>  He is neither “the American people”, nor “the USA”.  He is the head of his administration, and it is becoming more evident by the day that it is quite thinkable to equate the actions of his adminstration and himself with “the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective”.</p>
<p>  And that’s why he’s so angry, and needs a retroactive pass for the laws he’s broken, both national and international.  You can bet that once he’s out of office he’ll never leave the country lest he be nabbed and shipped off to The Hague for trial.</p>
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		<title>By: twoluvcats</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/18/olbermann-on-fire-again/#comment-301729</link>
		<dc:creator>twoluvcats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-300706&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ccmask @&lt;br /&gt;
                163              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Isn’t Firefox a disney product?&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;NOOOOO Firefox is NOT Disney!!! But Netscape is a AOL/Time Warner product…you are better off with FireFox than Netscape.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-300706"><em>ccmask @<br />
                163              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Isn’t Firefox a disney product?</p>
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<p>NOOOOO Firefox is NOT Disney!!! But Netscape is a AOL/Time Warner product…you are better off with FireFox than Netscape.</p>
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		<title>By: MrWonderful</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/18/olbermann-on-fire-again/#comment-301502</link>
		<dc:creator>MrWonderful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FWIW (and EPU’ing to beat the band):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I haven’t read anyone addressing what Bush actually said re Powell’s statement.  Bush “interpreted” it (wrongly, self-servingly) to mean a comparison between the US moral stance and the terrorists’ moral stance.  Which he then indignantly rejected.  But Powell didn’t say that.  He didn’t say, Now we’re as bad as the terrorists.  What he said was, Now we are abandoning the moral posture that has made us great.  The comparison is to be made, not between us and terrorists (as Bush pretended he’d said), but between our current moral behavior (under Bush), and our previous, better moral behavior.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know, I know–I’m implying that Bush is dishonest.  Well, deal with it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW (and EPU’ing to beat the band):</p>
<p>I haven’t read anyone addressing what Bush actually said re Powell’s statement.  Bush “interpreted” it (wrongly, self-servingly) to mean a comparison between the US moral stance and the terrorists’ moral stance.  Which he then indignantly rejected.  But Powell didn’t say that.  He didn’t say, Now we’re as bad as the terrorists.  What he said was, Now we are abandoning the moral posture that has made us great.  The comparison is to be made, not between us and terrorists (as Bush pretended he’d said), but between our current moral behavior (under Bush), and our previous, better moral behavior.</p>
<p>I know, I know–I’m implying that Bush is dishonest.  Well, deal with it.</p>
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		<title>By: gleex</title>
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		<dc:creator>gleex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The only thing I will watch on MSNBC a few times a month, I was very happy to tune in for this. It was a great opinion piece, and the “uncacceptable to think” also stopped me in my tracks when he played it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I will watch on MSNBC a few times a month, I was very happy to tune in for this. It was a great opinion piece, and the “uncacceptable to think” also stopped me in my tracks when he played it.</p>
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		<title>By: JoyB</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/18/olbermann-on-fire-again/#comment-301404</link>
		<dc:creator>JoyB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-300594&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Marion in Savannah @ 52 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-300580&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;*ilson46201 @ 39 &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;the edit button is active for 5 minutes after you post your fucked up comment. Click it and that gawdful drivel and scrivening appears in your usual commenting box — you have a chance to edit and change it into a witty aphorism or trenchant comment or &lt;em&gt;gai bon mot&lt;/em&gt; - as you wish… Click ’save’ and it’s wafted once again to the awaiting eyes of the great unwashed masses …&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or not…  When I click that (expletive deleted) button I get a completely BLANK comment box, just as if I wanted to start &lt;em&gt;ab ovo&lt;/em&gt;, hence I still don’t know what to do…&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I get it, too, and a “javascript error” warning icon in the lower left hand corner of my IE 6.0 browser.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-300594"><em>Marion in Savannah @ 52 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-300580"><em>*ilson46201 @ 39 </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>the edit button is active for 5 minutes after you post your fucked up comment. Click it and that gawdful drivel and scrivening appears in your usual commenting box — you have a chance to edit and change it into a witty aphorism or trenchant comment or <em>gai bon mot</em> &#8211; as you wish… Click ’save’ and it’s wafted once again to the awaiting eyes of the great unwashed masses …</p>
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<p>Or not…  When I click that (expletive deleted) button I get a completely BLANK comment box, just as if I wanted to start <em>ab ovo</em>, hence I still don’t know what to do…</p>
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<p>I get it, too, and a “javascript error” warning icon in the lower left hand corner of my IE 6.0 browser.</p>
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		<title>By: Peej</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/18/olbermann-on-fire-again/#comment-301284</link>
		<dc:creator>Peej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-300587&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Liberal Heart @&lt;br /&gt;
                               46              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;While I love KO and look for every opportunity to dislike Bush even more (if that’s possible), in this case it appears the president (sic) was simply saying he doesn’t agree with those who draw the comparison. However, he said it in a way that let KO pretend we should take the president’s words as literal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope KO doesn’t make it a habit to read more into Bush’s comments than Bush intends. This administration gives KO plenty to work with; he needn’t twist a partial sentence into something it wasn’t. It cheapens KO’s tirade; makes it look manufactured. And I say that as a fervent fan.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;KO actually gave Bushwhacker a break.  If you read Bush’s actual words, he accused Powell of subverting the actions of the “American people”, not himself.  No, none of this is Bush’s fault in his tiny mind.  It’s all the will of the “American people”, better known as  PNAC.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Peace!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-300587"><em>Liberal Heart @<br />
                               46              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>While I love KO and look for every opportunity to dislike Bush even more (if that’s possible), in this case it appears the president (sic) was simply saying he doesn’t agree with those who draw the comparison. However, he said it in a way that let KO pretend we should take the president’s words as literal.</p>
<p>I hope KO doesn’t make it a habit to read more into Bush’s comments than Bush intends. This administration gives KO plenty to work with; he needn’t twist a partial sentence into something it wasn’t. It cheapens KO’s tirade; makes it look manufactured. And I say that as a fervent fan.</p>
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<p>KO actually gave Bushwhacker a break.  If you read Bush’s actual words, he accused Powell of subverting the actions of the “American people”, not himself.  No, none of this is Bush’s fault in his tiny mind.  It’s all the will of the “American people”, better known as  PNAC.</p>
<p>Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: moron</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/18/olbermann-on-fire-again/#comment-301230</link>
		<dc:creator>moron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;GOD BLESS OLBERMANN!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOD BLESS OLBERMANN!</p>
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		<title>By: Creeping Truth</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/18/olbermann-on-fire-again/#comment-301066</link>
		<dc:creator>Creeping Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 12:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Winston Smith was an aspirational terrorist.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Winston Smith was an aspirational terrorist.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/18/olbermann-on-fire-again/#comment-301036</link>
		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 11:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Powell got it wrong when he said “the world is BEGINNING to doubt the moral basis of OUR fight against terrorism.”  The world has more than doubted the moral basis for years and it is not OUR fight against terrorism, it’s Bush’s fight against whatever he thinks he’s fighting which has little to do with terrorism.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I compare Bush’s actions (in no way the actions of most of the people of the United States as he claims) to the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.  This is exactly what Bush is doing under the guise of freedom, while also destroying a country and its culture.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Powell got it wrong when he said “the world is BEGINNING to doubt the moral basis of OUR fight against terrorism.”  The world has more than doubted the moral basis for years and it is not OUR fight against terrorism, it’s Bush’s fight against whatever he thinks he’s fighting which has little to do with terrorism.</p>
<p>I compare Bush’s actions (in no way the actions of most of the people of the United States as he claims) to the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.  This is exactly what Bush is doing under the guise of freedom, while also destroying a country and its culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Olbermann, patriot &#171; cannablog</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/18/olbermann-on-fire-again/#comment-301010</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Olbermann, patriot &#171; cannablog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] Hat-tip also to Gen. JC Christian and Jane Hamsher, both of whom already wrote about this extraordinary and much needed honesty from at least one mainstream news source. It’s only a shame that I don’t get MSNBC, although it is supposed to be on our cable service. We receive Free Speech TV on that designated channel instead, which is a fine thing to have. I just wish they’d blown off Fox News to make room for it instead. […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Hat-tip also to Gen. JC Christian and Jane Hamsher, both of whom already wrote about this extraordinary and much needed honesty from at least one mainstream news source. It’s only a shame that I don’t get MSNBC, although it is supposed to be on our cable service. We receive Free Speech TV on that designated channel instead, which is a fine thing to have. I just wish they’d blown off Fox News to make room for it instead. […]</p>
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