
Keith knocks another one out of the park (Crooks & Liars has the video):
Mr. President, former Secretary of State Colin Powell says the world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism. If a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and former secretary of state feels this way, don’t you think that Americans and the rest of the world are beginning to wonder whether you’re following a flawed strategy? BUSH: If there’s any comparison between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist tactics of extremists, it’s flawed logic. It’s just — I simply can’t accept that. It’s unacceptable to think that there’s any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.
**Of course** it’s acceptable to **think** that there’s "any kind of comparison."
And in this particular debate, it is not only acceptable, it is obviously **necessary.**
Some will think that our actions at Abu Ghraib, or in Guantanamo, or in secret prisons in Eastern Europe, are all **too** comparable to the actions of the extremists.
Some will think that there is **no** similarity, or, if there is one, it is to the slightest and most unavoidable of degrees.
What **all** of us will agree on, is that we have the right — we have the **duty** — to **think** about the comparison.
And, most importantly, that the other guy, whose opinion about this we cannot **fathom**, has exactly the same right as we do: to **think** — and **say** — what his mind and his heart and his conscience tell him, is right.
**All** of us agree about that.
Except, it seems, this President.
With increasing rage, he and his administration have begun to tell us, we are **not** permitted to disagree with them, that we **cannot** be right. That **Colin Powell** cannot be right.
And then there was that one, most awful phrase.
In four simple words last Friday, the President brought into sharp focus what has been only vaguely clear these past five-and-a-half years – the way the terrain at night is perceptible only during an angry flash of lightning, and then, a second later, all again is dark.
"It’s unacceptable to think…" he said.
It is **never** unacceptable… to think.
And when a President says thinking is unacceptable, even on **one** topic, even in the heat of the moment, even in the turning of a phrase extracted from its context… he takes us toward a new and fearful path — one heretofore the realm of science fiction authors and apocalyptic visionaries.
That flash of lightning **freezes** at the distant horizon, and we can just make out a world in which authority can actually suggest it has become unacceptable to **think.**
Thus the lightning flash reveals not merely a President we have already seen, the one who believes he has a monopoly on **current* truth.
It now shows us a President who has decided that of **all** our commanders-in-chief, **ever**… he, alone, has had the knowledge necessary to alter and re-shape our inalienable rights.
This is a frightening, and a dangerous, delusion, Mr. President.
You know someone is feeling the heat for Olbermann’s continuing outspoken heroisim, most likely Olbermann. If you’d like to thank him personally please join us for the FDL Book Salon on November 5 when Keith will be here discussing his book, The Worst Person in the World: And 202 Strong Contenders at 2pm PT/5pm ET. You can also help its Amazon rankings by buying the book here.
That’ll be enough to drive the wingnut welfare queens batshit crazy. Oh and O’Reilly. Never forget O’Reilly.
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fitz!
And I sent a large thank-you note to the countdown just now.
Countdown@msnbc.com
KO!
Where am I?
Keith is on a mission.
Here’s to continued ratings increases (to which I’m unable to contribute ’cause comcast basic cable doesn’t include msnbc)!
Cheers.
Last night, I attended a talk by Rob Boston of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. I just wrote up a bit of it here…
Thomas Jefferson: Unelectable
It was only a matter of time before the concept of “thoughtcrime” became a reality.
Hail to the Keith!!!!
Is Bush saying, perhaps, that the proper analogy is to Soviet Gulags, where political prisoners were sent on the basis of secret evidence unavailable to the accused, presented to military tribunals, without any notice to their families and the outside world, and where they were subjected to intense cold for long periods of time, agressive interrogation techniques designed to extract the names and information on their partners in political thought crimes?
Get your analogies right, everyone – the NSA is making a list and checking it twice . . .
While dubya certainly owes the world (not just us Americans) some serious apologies, there are some things that apologies cannot atone for, and he’s been operating in that territory for a LONG time.
Oh and O’Reilly. Never forget O’Reilly
media skank (3), jackasses with word processors (2), loofah (2), conservative (1), falafel (1), firedoglake (1), oreilly (1)
http://www.amazon.com/Culture-…..mp;s=books
heh heh
Keith!!!
Jane!!!!
and completely OT, I always wondered where “bedlam is dreaming of rain” came from. On my way to school today I was listening to Bad Religion and there it was in Los Angeles is Burning. I love that song but somehow never heard that line (correctly) before. Anyway thanks to Keith for his voice and thanks to Jane and the rest of the gang here for your voices.
bdu @
10
True dat. But we gotta start somewhere.
Thanks Keith, keep up the good work. Look forward every night to your show…
“It’s unacceptable to think…” he said.
It is **never** unacceptable… to think.
I think it’s important to remember that Mr. Bush would have to take a basic civics class in order to understand Olbermann’s request.
Amazon just sent me an Email saying my copy of Keith’s book is on it’s merry way (along with Benjamin Britten’s pacifist opera Owen Wingrave on DVD)
I love the way Olbermann keeps raising the stakes. Tonight he demanded an apology. The logical next step is to demand that Bush resign.
How about doing something…….sign the petition.. Bush broke the law:
http://scoop.epluribusmedia.or…..19140/5000
“This week, the Senate is planning to quietly hold a vote that would pardon President Bush for breaking the law by illegally wiretapping innocent Americans without warrants. According to Senator Leahy, the bill would “…immunize officials who have violated federal law by authorizing such illegal activities.”1
President Bush broke the law, and courts are starting to agree. Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter once said the program was illegal “on its face.” But he has now caved to pressure from Vice President Cheney, and introduced legislation that marks a new low: the bill justifies everything the president did. Worse, it makes it legal to wiretap Americans, in secret, without warrants or oversight, whenever the administration wants to.2″
I think we in this country are well beyond the point where apologies will make any kind of difference.
An apology in front of a tribunal at the Hague before sentence is rendered . . . now that’s another story.
LAWYERS, GUNS, MONEY AND VALERIE
Check out this curious story of Plame-Ney-Fitzgerald vs. The Evildoers at
waynemadsenreport. Neocons would never sell weapons of mass destruction secretly to terrorist states, would they? Unless it would give them a moral basis for a war.
“Mrs. Wilson and her CIA network were targeting the very same smuggling and money laundering networks that were aided and abetted by Cheney and his neocon influence network.”
“Eager to protect his and then-New Jersey federal prosecutor Michael Chertoff’s own cover-up of the U.S. intelligence links to the 1993 World Trade Center bombers, Fitzgerald folded when confronted with the threat of exposure from Gonzales, who was acting on behalf of Cheney, Rove, and Bush.”
Mullah Daullah has a plan.
Also, not to ignored, Israel has moved Irans nuclear timeframe ahead….quite a bit.
-GSD
Kofi Annan had better talk to George W. Bush. No one says Iraq is in a civil war until George W. Bush declares it to be so.
Not so fast Kofi.
Complete transcript now up if you want to savor, like fine wine, every delicious drop.
Imagine KO delivering his comments from the floor of Congress.
Here’s that address again for Thank You Keith Olbermann….
He did it again
Leave a little note will Ya.
I just ordered KO’s book too. I also ordered “Marley & Me: Life and Love with the World’s Worst Dog” by John Grogan and “Wait! Don’t Move to Canada: 10 Steps to a Liberal America” by Janeane Garofalo.
Balrog @ 23
Ex cathedra, you mean?
keith olbermann for president!
Oh that Keith O.
It is good to know that there are still some sane and rational thinkers left.
In the media to boot.
-GSD
Livni is a regular diplomat and voice of reason, eh, GSD?
Face it. We lost Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon and the fakey breaky “GWOT”, too.
I’m gonna buy me some boots so I can get in line and dance! It may be the only solution.
Billy Ray Cyrus– yoo-hoo!
Gotta wait to see KO at midnite– read the transcript though and YAY!
J. Donne @
17
This is where, in my mind, he got really subversive*:
*By “subversive” I mean “patriotic.”
RevDeb @
19
Punch line of a joke I can’t remember.
Bush isn’t sleeping well the fourth night when he sees another figure moving in the shadows.
It is the ghost of Abraham Lincoln, Bush pleads,”Abe,
What is the best thing I can do right now to help the country?”
Lincoln replies, “Go see a play.”
Crooks and Liars has a video up that has Retired AF Colonel Gardiner saying (covert) military operations in Iran have already begun. If we openly hit Iran before the elections (or shortly after) I predict there will be chaos in the streets of America.
Looks like I’ve got a date with the book salon–I’ll have to order the book. Everything I tried to read this summer ended up unfinished.
Jane, I was thinking about you, FDL, the book salon, and the tremendous community here today. Are you like the “Oprah” of the liberal blogosphere?
I mean that in a good way.
Conversely, is Oprah the “Jane Hamsher” of the tv talk show world?
tommy yum @ 30
If Olbermann really wants to get subversive he ought to demand Bush commit hara-kiri…Live! On Fox and friends!
Bush is sure unhinged. Rumors of Laura leaving him and Condi having a boyfriend and all had to be tough on the man.
Eli @ 26
Majority Leader will do.
cheese
LindyH @ 37
uh- oh.
*g*
the edit button is active for 5 minutes after you post your fucked up comment. Click it and that gawdful drivel and scrivening appears in your usual commenting box — you have a chance to edit and change it into a witty aphorism or trenchant comment or gai bon mot – as you wish… Click ’save’ and it’s wafted once again to the awaiting eyes of the great unwashed masses …
Is Olbermann writing these things himself? They are incredibly well done. If there is a team behind this, they all deserve recognition. If Olbermann can write as well as he speaks, he really *could* be president.
This kind of clear thinking is exactly what the country needs a lot more of.
angie @ 38
Oh no, not more shrill parmesanship.
Thank goodness someone is still willing to speak the truth.
I will use the spotlight feature on this post.
ccmask @ 25
I ordered this one today. It’s Katrina redux. Arabian Horse Association cronie
screws upheads FEMA. Heritage Foundation croniesfu*k upput in charge of Iraq.http://www.rajivc.com/
I got KO’s book Saturday in the mail ; )
Thank god for Keith. Also there is a terrific review of Frank Rich’s new book in the Sunday NYTimes. Bless them both for taking on the powers that be – and through MSM!
Cozumel @ 11
I like this comment on his book Culture Warrior at that link:
“More like Loofah Warrior”
While I love KO and look for every opportunity to dislike Bush even more (if that’s possible), in this case it appears the president (sic) was simply saying he doesn’t agree with those who draw the comparison. However, he said it in a way that let KO pretend we should take the president’s words as literal.
I hope KO doesn’t make it a habit to read more into Bush’s comments than Bush intends. This administration gives KO plenty to work with; he needn’t twist a partial sentence into something it wasn’t. It cheapens KO’s tirade; makes it look manufactured. And I say that as a fervent fan.
Today Keith gave it a name. By identifying Bush’s 3rd grade rant, Keith has explicitly raised the stakes to a whole new level. The man is crazy, and everyone knows it.
Maybe we’re already at war for the future of our Union…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC2Wx7MYcpE
Olberman for President
Colorado Bob ?
where in THE HELL have you been ?!?! thought you might have been swallered up by The New Madrid or somethin’. Welcome Home
Olbermann. Thank god someone’s speaking out like this. Thanks KO. Maximum respect.
*ilson46201 @ 39
Or not… When I click that (expletive deleted) button I get a completely BLANK comment box, just as if I wanted to start ab ovo, hence I still don’t know what to do…
OT– Hil giving a very nice eulogy for Ann.
(Too bad she sucks at foreign policy.)
Liberal Heart @ 46
When KO said that it was acceptable to compare America’s actions to those of the terrorists, images of Abu Ghraib were flashed on the screen.
I think KO was taking what Bush spewed exactly as it was stated.
I have no idea what Bush might have been trying to say, but I don’t think he was merely disagreeing.
Liberal Heart @ 46
To be fair, he did say it was four words extracted out of context or something like that.
Marion, switch to Mozilla Firefox. IE doesn’t work with this function.
Bush said “It’s unacceptable to think that there’s any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.”
I believe there is a comparison if Powell had said the behavior of the USA government. Let’s face it, a lot of children and innocent women have died to achieve Bush’s objective. Whatever it is.
Liberal Heart @ 46
When KO said that it was acceptable to compare America’s actions to those of the terrorists, images of Abu Ghraib were flashed on the screen.
I think KO was taking what Bush spewed forth exactly as it was stated.
I have no idea what Bush might have been trying to say, but I don’t think he was merely disagreeing with people like me.
At its heart, KO is exposing W’s absolute suppression of dissent, expressions of which are derived from freedom of thought. It is not a stretch.
Old Sow @ 56
what is IE??? lol.
the edit function works with a decent Javascript engine which seemingly works best with FireFox — M$ Internet Explorer doesnt handle it correctly.
Upgrade to the free FireFox — the superior browser! all the kewl kidz use it here!
http://www.mozilla.com/
The bit about Chimpy’s comment being like a flash of lightning at night was dead-on, I thought. I re-read Orwell’s “Politics & the English Language” this past weekend. It seems that KO (and any collaborators he has) have been as well.
If your allies can not tell you apart from your enemies, you’ve lost.
meta @ 59
I agree ‘. . . as long as I’m the dictator.’
On the sexuality scale, I’m just about as heterosexual as a male can be…but, still…I think I’m developing a “man crush” on ol’ Keith.
; )
When I was in fifth grade, one of my teachers scolded me with, “That’s what you get for thinking!”
I was shocked then, and I was shocked on Friday. Thinking is what I do best.
Go get him, Keith.
J. Donne @
17
Followed by the next logical step – impeachment.
RevDeb @ 19
The US is not a signatory to the treaty creating the ICC and so, unfortunately, Bush could not be tried by it, barring a Security Council Resolution or the US becoming a signatory. Still we can dream.
Old Sow @
56
Or switch to Netscape, which also works. Much as I get frustrated with the crashes (on a MAc, it’s especially frustrating)they are declared Democrats so I feel like I gotta support ‘em sometimes. Plus Mozilla hates me for some reason. Won’t let me comment, copy or cut.
Old Sow @ 56
OHH… OhhKay… My housemate has switched and raves about it. Thanks, Mr. Gates… (Anyone remember the old Calvin & Hobbes riffs on Microsquash?? heh)
Marion, Internet Explorer. Mozilla Firefox is a free download and allows for full usage of the editing and preview functions.
*ilson
I use FireFox. Are you saying that makes me kewl? Wow.
I’ve been watching the Goldwater documentary on HBO and John Dean looks so young.
Yes, Meta, I get what KO’s saying and I agree. I just think he pounced on a poor example (the partial quote) to make his point. I would bet the ranch that he could have delivered the same special comment without framing it around that specific phrase. I thought it was forced and beneath KO’s standards. That’s all I’m saying.
meta @ 47
And not just crazy, bat-shit crazy!
It’s time for printed paper pages. Over and Out, see you in the AM..
Comletely utterly OT, the new Aaron Sorkin show starts tonight – Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip. Many of the Sorkin Players will be there – Brad Whitford (member of the All Saints Church congregation) and a couple of others whose names don’t leap to mind.
ThinkProgress has a post.
Now here is something that’s been bugging me. Everyone knows that “‘alternative’ interrogation techniques” is just a euphemism for torture.
I keep hoping, wanting, to hear the loud, public statements of indignation against torture carried out by or at the behest of the US. Religious leaders at a minimum. Editorials. Our politicians.
I know there are some out there speaking against torture. But given the issue, given the scale, given that Bush is asking for a law to allow the US to conduct torture is just so appalling that I am shocked (and sadden) that there is not a greater out cry.
cameronga @ 60
{Making the sign of the Cross}
Internet Explorer… grrrrr
Netscape browser is based on FireFox so go for the gold! Actually, FireFox is supported by Netscape in an open-software arrangement.
http://www.mozilla.com/
Mommybrain, also OT: Isn’t Bill Clinton on The Daily Show tonight?
Lobster at 66: I am so sorry your teacher said that to you. What a snide sarcastic comment, and one that you have remembered clearly all these years.
Have the torturers gone on strike?
Hugh @ 67
So…to be a signatory, we just get the 2007 Democratic senate to ratify it, yes? Do we have to wait til 2009 for President Feingold to sign it, or would Senate ratification be enough?
Liberal Heart @ 74
I somewhat agree. It lacked the bite of the previous two. B plus
Mark Steckel @ 78
I’m no political expert, but I’m pretty sure that any bill that legalizes torture is not a “compromise”.
Liberal Heart @ 74
Well, I think I know what you’re saying. But when I think about the entirety of that press conference, and the heart of the subject matter in question, I don’t know. I really think it’s spot on.
MS @ 78,
Religious leaders. Yeah, right. Dream on.
Next step: Thought Crimes
karen allen @ 82
Now that I’m a teacher myself, I do my best to set a better example.
Sounds like you might be one, too?
We don’t torture heh you fucking monkey?
“They choked him,” the lawyer said. “They bent his nose repeatedly so hard to the side he thought it would break. … They gouged his eyes. They held his eyes open and shined a Mag-lite in them for minutes on end, generating intense heat. They bent his fingers until he screamed. When he screamed, they cut off his airway, then put a mask on him so he could not cry out.”
Point of no return?
-GSD
They are dismantling this country, Bush, Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Yoo, Perle, Kristol…the whole lot of them.
PeteCO @ 88
Progressive religious leaders. The conservative right does not have a monopoly on religious leaders.
Eli @ 86
That would be a compromise of American Values
Marion in Savannah @ 79
As long as we are on the subject, what about the euphemism of “military commissions” for kangarooo courts.
Religious leaders of all stripes have spoken out repeatedly against torture but it’s not news and not covered. Maybe a Bishop throwing red blood-colored paint from the Gallery of the House might get coverage, maybe not!
Mark Steckel @ 78
Alternative to …human, decency, what!?
Mark Steckel @ 92
The word is out — if you are a progressive religious leader and you speak out, your church will be threatened by the IRS.
Olbermann quoted Jefferson and Voltaire tonight-I thought intelligence in the media had been banned: anyone with a brain had long been sent to the American Gulag, tortured, tried in a kagngaroo court, and executed. How else to explain the dumb sheep all over TV, on the radio?
Keith, better watch your back.
*ilson46201 @ 96
that is true *ilson, brown Muslim leaders too!
Cozumel @ 85
Don’t fly in any small airplanes Keith!
Mark Steckel @ 78
I couldn’t agree more, Mark. Bush’s constant and abusive use of fear on the general population has allowed him to hold the entire nation in an extended post 9/11 trauma.
Perhaps it’s diminishing returns.
cleter @
72
It makes you unpatriotic.
Meta, you’ve just hit on exactly what I’m saying. Had KO’s comment been a response to the entire press conference, without making a moutain out of Bush’s verbal mole hill, it would have been, for me, less of a drummed up theatrical performance and a more reality-based statement from KO’s head and heart.
*ilson46201 @ 61
Oh, wow! Does that mean could be a Kewl Kid??? Really, though, thanks for all your help. I’ll try really hard to be worthy. Who ever thought I could be a kewl kid? Lord above knows, I’m no kid! I do thank you for all your help, and will endeavor to be “kewl enough for skewl…” (Sorry, it’s the old-timey proofreader coming out… stuff MUST agree…)
LH @ 74 and others
“In four simple words last Friday, the President brought into sharp focus what has been only vaguely clear these past five-and-a-half years – the way the terrain at night is perceptible only during an angry flash of lightning, and then, a second later, all again is dark.
“It’s unacceptable to think,” he said.”
That was KO’s whole point, I thought.It said more than five years of nonsense from the rest of the MSM.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Montana Sen. Conrad Burns, a Republican in a tight re-election race, flew on a private plane chartered by Vonage Holdings Corp., just days after he pushed legislation that the company has advocated for more than a year.
Burns accompanied Vonage lobbyist Frank Cavaliere on the company’s chartered plane to and from the “13th Annual Burns Classic Golf Weekend” in Bigfork, Mont., on Saturday. Cavaliere and a Burns spokesman both confirmed the plane trip to The Associated Press on Monday.
from Dailykos……
Liberal Heart @
46
pres was not saying he didn’t agree, because Powell’s comments made NO such comparison.
pres was making assumptions and jumping into the arms of strawmen while attacking for the sake of attack
meta @
47
meta, most third graders are about eight or nine years old… KO said the rant was that of a three year old
PeteCO @ 108
Yes; it wasn’t so much that it was necessarily what Bush really meant (although it wouldn’t surprise me), but rather that it was a choice of words that was very emblematic of BushCo’s entire attitude towards dissent.
Spazeboy @
33
Them’s fightin’ words, Spazeboy.
Kidding. How are you? How is school? Good to have you around again.
OT– Lily (that nearly perfect grandchild), Ann Richard’s grandbaby, just delivered a completely perfect eulogy for Fearless Ann W. Richards.
(Yo, Karl and George– didja hear?)
*ilson46201 @ 96
Your idea has merit, and it sort of proves my point. Look at what people did, had to do, during the civil rights movement to effect change. People are speaking out, but it almost seems obligatory.
Likewise, the media’s response. “OK, check. Another person is against torture. Got it. And now more news about a missing white women.”
KO is taking on Bush. But every single reporter, editorial page, and broadcaster should be saying something about (against) this.
While the example of a frog in slowly heated water is hokum, it is an apt metaphor. Is our country as a whole the frog, unaware that the temperature of the water is raising?…
Eli @ 112
A slip of the tongue, you could say. I was certainly shocked by it.
Liberal Heart @ 81
Marion,
I put off downloading Firefox for quite awhile due in large part to my fears of terminally screwing up my screwed up system -
glad to say I was wrong – took about 2 minutes and I wub it
and Mark Steckel -
these folks have been at it for quite some time
http://www.ncccusa.org/
- and many believe they were the beard for US Catholic Bishops (non members) to get in on the condemnation letter from World Council of Churches in February
I hate, in particular, Tony Blankley’s use of “reasonable people agree…” line, where if you don’t agree, suddenly you are unreasonable. He pulls that shit all the time on the Diane Rehme show.
No Tony. I’m just pissed. Know the difference.
Take the essence of what Bush said. Add in Ari Fliescher saying that “people should watch what they say”….
Then read this quote from Dick Cheney on Meet the Press on 9/10/06.
Dick Cheney on dissent:
“And those doubts are encouraged, obviously, when they see the kind of debate that we’ve had in the United States. Suggestions, for example, that we should withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq simply feed into that whole notion, validates the strategy of the terrorists.”
-GSD
Don’t even THINK about questioning Bush and his minions.
jmba @ 117
yes.
njr @ 111
Yes, sorry, I misspoke.
njr, this is what the prez said:
“If there’s any comparison between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist tactics of extremists, it’s flawed logic. It’s just — I simply can’t accept that. It’s unacceptable to think that there’s any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.”
Note that he goes from saying “I simply can’t accept that” to “It’s unacceptable…” I think he’s saying it’s unacceptable for *him* to think (what’s said above) — unacceptable to himself.
It’s a small point I’m making, but it becomes big only because KO is making it big, giving it more significance than it deserves.
oops…where did my comment go? It must have noticed how insignificant it was and deleted it…but I just was thanking for the reminder about our last elected president being on the Daily Show.
Liberal Heart, I see. Thanks for explaining.
PeteCO @ 108
The image of the flash of lightning is brilliant here. If you think about it, we’re so inundated with spin and weasel shit that it takes someone like Mr. Olbermann to point out where the lightning flashed. What worries me is we’ve gone from 16 words down to 4….
Don’t know how many writers he has now, on Countdown, but back in the day when he was on Sportscenter (ESPN), he some perty wicked takes on idiot jocks.
I think he is that smart
Lobster @ 40
Liberal Heart @ 46
I respectfully disagree. George Bush was quoted on dictatorships and said a dictatorship is fine, as long as he gets to be the dictator. I think he meant that…and I think if you go back and read his comments on all manner of things, you’ll find his words to be right in line with his plans and actions to run this country into the ground and piss on its grave.
Lobster @ 66
1978, kids off to school I went back to college, teaching certificate, first interview:
Would you teach a child how to think or what to think?
Aghast, I gave the wrong answer… these folks have been in the woods for quite some time.
cbl @ 118
This is good. Really good. But is it just me, it doesn’t seem to be breaking through…
Here is your elevator response, courtesy of Big Dog:
Clinton on the vote to go into Iraq: “I’m sick and tired of being told that if you voted for authorization you voted for the war. It was a mistake, and I would have made it, too….The administration did not shoot straight on the nuclear issue or on Saddam’s supposed ties to Al Qaeda prior to 9/11.”
Olbermann/Clinton-dog ‘08!
Balrog @ 131
More here. Let’s all Spotlight this gem!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..29704.html
Bush through the ages:
“You don’t get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot easier.” Describing what it’s like to be governor of Texas.
(Governing Magazine 7/98)
– From Paul Begala’s “Is Our Children Learning?”
“I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don’t agree with each other, but that’s OK. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator,” Bush joked.
– CNN.com, December 18, 2000
“A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there’s no question about it, ” [Bush] said.
– Business Week, July 30, 2001
-GSD
john in sacramento @ 127
His book reads just like he speaks. Articulate but with a very unique style.
ccmask — interesting program, this “Mr. Conservative”, yes? By today’s standards, Goldwater is a centrist Democrat, being tolerant of gays, a proponent of women’s rights, while rejecting excessive intrusion of government into individual’s privacy. Cripes, that quote by Helen Thomas, “[Now]…he looks liberal to me,” says it all.
Hugh — thanks for the link last thread. Under deadlines this week, will have to do some research to cross match prices with races when the dust settles. Clapped my own eyes on that 2.18 at 8:20 am this morning just down the street.
Cozumel #85 — we’ll have to agree to disagree. What was different tonight about KO’s soliloquy was that he reached into the very roots of our democracy’s history, rather than consulting popular culture. Tonight’s commentary was for the real patriots, the ones who fight for those things the founding fathers worked so hard under some miraculous power to assemble into the most durable democracy in history. I broke down and cried when he started to utter Jefferson’s words; only one other unitary and unilateral executive has ever attempted to foist a singularity of thought upon us, and this nation-to-be pushed that notion back hard on its heels with those very words.
And Voltaire – good God, Voltaire.
Ecrasez l’infame — vraiment.
Amazon just notified me that my copy of KO’s book is in the mail, along with “Sweet Jesus, I Hate Bill O’Reilly”, which I bought on the strength of it’s title alone! Well, I think I do recall someone saying it’s a good book…
Liberal Heart @ 123
I think Bush just rememberated that he was supposed to be telling us yet again what to think. That’s the deciderer’s job, to edumacate and rule. KO’s comments were right on target in my honest and humble opinion.
Digby has the conversation with the talking heads gushing over Bush’s codpiece. That ball will never fly out of the park. hehe
snip
Ms. KAY: …he arrived there in his flight suit, in a jumpsuit. He should wear that all the time. Why doesn’t he do all his campaign speeches in that jumpsuit? He just looks so great.
MATTHEWS: I want him to wa–I want to see him debate somebody like John Kerry or Lieberman or somebody wearing that jumpsuit.
Mr. DOBBS: Well, it was just–I can’t think of any, any stunt by the White House–and I’ll call it a stunt–that has come close. I mean, this is not only a home run; the ball is still flying out beyond the park.
snip
whole conversation at the link
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com…..4614060703
Digby has the conversation with the talking heads gushing over Bush’s codpiece. That ball will never fly out of the park. hehe
Isn’t that kinda what a codpiece is *for*?
cleter #84,
A treaty that needed ratification by the Senate would need a 2/3 majority. But with the International Criminal Court, it has been argued a Constitutional Amendment would be needed since we would be accepting a court above the Supreme Court. This would require 2/3 majorities in both Houses and 3/4 of the states.
Liberal Heart @123,
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I think what Bush was trying to say was, “It’s unthinkable that we could be compared to terrorists.” That is the sense of his remark, to my mind. It is unacceptable to think that we can be compared, it’s unthinkable, we’re Americans.
No little matter, to me. But we all have our own minds…
Clinton on WaPo’s Susan Schmidt: “A Xerox machine for Ken Starr.”
Steno Sue, where have you gone?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..ck-on-clin ton-on-eve_e_29704.html
This is a two-Redenbacher.
ccmask @ 138
I remember reading somewhere that Will Ferrell said that if he had stayed on SNL, his Bush character would have been in the flightsuit All. The. Time.
I think Olbermann’s writers should write differently for those who fill in for him. When a guest host delivers lines that come across as something that would come straight from Keith (the attitude, the with, the pauses), it telegraphs to me that maybe the things that make me love Keith should actually be making me love his writers.
Oh wow, Rayne. I just meant he didn’t have the same fire as in the previous two where he was clearly pissed off (to me).
Video Here!
LindyH @ 128
Rayne @ 135
Rayne, I’m enough of a newbie here I haven’t seen many of your comments, but those I have seen have been right on. This one, however, takes the cake. Vraiment!
Crikey.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..29704.html
RIP SI
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When you enter the ocean, you enter the food chain. Not necessarily at the top – Jacques Cousteau
Balrog @ 105
Close enough.
Isn’t FireFox made by cowardly Swedes? Or one of the chocolate-making countries?
Preznitin’ is hard. Dictatorin’ is easy, heh-heh, heh-heh.
GW Bush has never had even a speck of respect for anyone else.
His ‘folksy’ ways are a transparent facade.
Underneath is a priviledged brat.
His Campaign 2000 appearance on Letterman (well actually the footage of his demeanor towards the wardrobe woman who was cleaning his jacket) was so obviously “superior’, as in “How dare you touch my person”
There have been a number of other ‘tells’.
The Rose Garden appearance was far more obvious.
His handlers are losing control.
Margot @ 141
Yeah, well…. Wouldn’t it be great to have a President who actually could speak the language??? And have some idea that the crap that flew out of his mouth might actually MEAN something? Just asking, here….
Mack @ 151
I think it gets harder and harder to say No to him.
George is basically that selfish bratty kid in the Twilight Zone episode who could wish people into the cornfield, and everyone around him is too afraid to say anything other than than, “That was a real good thing you did, Mr. President! Really fine!”
Eli @ 143
Kinda like the increasingly frazzled Roman helmet in Doonesbury?? (snicker…)
Marion in Savannah @ 154
I almost mentioned that…
cleter @ 149
It’s made by open-source-friendly folk, regardless of ethnicity. Thus it is good.
PS. I’m not that into scatalogical humor, but I flashed on ClusterFink receiving papers of impeachment and becoming a chocolate-making POTUS.
Margot, we don’t disagree. I guess when one decides the world is either evil or the United States, it is unthinkable that we could be equated with terrorists. And living as he does in a bubble, the prez probably has no clue how truly divided the US is when it comes to how we view our own actions.
I think the four words by Bush were a Freudian slip. Bush revealed his underlying belief that thinking is not allowed. KO called it a lightning moment in the dark – but it really is a Freudian slip.
Eli @ 153
Damn, Eli, you must be almost as old as I am! Was that or was that not one of the creepiest things Rod Serling ever did? And he could be VERY creepy. Not like Karl Rove, mind you, but creepy nonetheless…
I’m very sorry, but I didn’t read all 140-odd posts, because I am SO afraid of Keith getting canned by the Bush-led media.
Please let MSNBC know how you feel about Mr. Olbermann, every time he does so. They need to have our voices of “YEA” to offset Bush’s “Nea” camp.
The email addresses have been posted before.
Let’s please let MSNBC know how wonderful Keith Olbermann is…..
Cozumel — no problem, we just see the degree of anger differently. There’s biting-the-heads-off-small-animals-spitting angry, and then there’s the quiet-but-deadly-angry.
KO has now gone to the quiet-but-deadly-angry.
Invoking those very words of Jefferson’s were just short of the next Declaration. In writing the words, I picture Jefferson being as quietly and seriously angry; Jefferson knew he signed his own death warrant, after all.
KO was just shy of that step, figuratively.
Or literally…depending on how ugly and nasty l’infame will become upon a call for independence across corporate media. The next 40 days are going to be very, very trying.
Marion in Savannah @ 159
TZ epis *do* get re-run on occasion, plus it was remade for the movie in ‘82…
(I’m 37! I’m not old!)
But yeah, it was very creepy. When I first saw it, it never occurred to me that it might be allegorical. Hell, maybe it wasn’t. Yet.
Isn’t Firefox a disney product?
From the link above wrt Clinton, I just love this:
Clinton on the Bush administration: “It just makes me mad…I just wish I were there trying to articulate an alternative vision.”
On the fact that he is not: “You have to bloom where you’re planted.”
Liberal Heart @ 144
I know nothing for sure about KO’s methodology or his writers, but I believe KO is genuine and does write his own speeches. I would bet money on it, in fact. He delivers these editorials with a passion that comes from deep down– he is not an actor reciting lines.
I agree that his worst person in the world and other segments when done by subs is not the same as when he delivers them.
I have yet to hear a sub deliver an indictment against the administration, so I will reserve judgement til then.
My S.O. expressed the same sentiments as you do Liberal Heart and just recently recanted. For many people, I think it is just too good and rare to be true. :)
Bush talking about flawed logic in others would be hilarious if it wasn’t so indicative of his opinion of dissent.
Speaking of apologies –
Liza at Culture Kitchen just posted an apology to Peter Daou – I think it was actually pretty classy of her. Maybe I will bookmark her blog after all :-)
http://www.culturekitchen.com/…..an_apology
Lobster @ 66
I was told this a lot when I was a kid, that I thought too much. I’ve always wondered what too much was as IMO there wasn’t anything I could do about it. How does one stop thinking? Root for Bush maybe?
Marion in Savannah @ 152
Yes, yes it would, lol. I can certainly see that he might have misspoke. I mean, he does that. Whether for effect or not, he does do it.
Whatever has made him so much less fluent? I really would like to know, and I don’t have time to fiddle around waiting for the records to be unsealed 50 years from now. I am not living until I’m 102 (plus a tad ).
ccmask @ 163
Oh yeah. The Firefox & the Hound.
trueblue @ 160
Not to worry. Corporate (MSNBC and NBC) is behind him big time. I posted an article/interview link last week that was on salon.com about it.
In KO’s (knockouts)book, who is the worst person in the world?
ccmask @ 163
Is Firefox Disney??? Well, that blows it the hell out of the water for me… I’ll just have to try REALLY hard, and mash (that’s what we say down south here instead of “hit” or “press”) that “Preview” button more often… I am SO over Disney… Say it isn’t so… {tiny whimpering moan inserted here}
Angie, I don’t doubt he writes the special comments himself. I’m talking about the tongue-in-cheek stuff, the throw-away lines. As a writer, I’m sensitive to branding. When writers give a guest host Keith’s brand, it weakens it.
ccmask @ 171
Tie. Jane and Christy.
NOT!
Oh, no…We shan’t forget O’Reilly
;>)
Balrog @ 174
Joe Wilson, for outing Valerie.
Valerie is runner-up, for outing herself.
Maybe NBC IS realy stepping out. They could just be the first to break out of the bubble. I just watched a new show called “Studio 60.”
It was about a change in a network, curiously enough they name themselves, NBC, wherein they bring back two guys who were canned four years ago for a sketch deemed inappropriate which was never aired.
The new president of NBC, a woman, gets them back to run Studio 60 and her first recommendation to them is to do the sketch they weren’t able to do four years ago.
windje @ 31
Here’s the full joke – and it even fits with Olbermann quoting Jefferson!
One night GW Bush is tossing restlessly in his White House bed. He awakens to see George Washington standing beside him. Bush looks up and asks, “George, what’s the best thing I can do to help the country?” “Set an honest and honorable example; never tell a lie,” Washington advises, then fades away.
The next night, Bush is astir again, when he sees the ghost of Thomas Jefferson moving silently around the bedroom. Bush calls out: “Tom, please! What is the best thing I could do to help the country?” “Respect the Constitution,” Jefferson advises, and then dims from sight.
The third night sleep still evades Bush. He sees the ghost of FDR hovering over his bed. Bush lowers his voice and asks, “Franklin, What is the best thing I could do to help the country?” In that golden voice of his, FDR replies, “Help the less fortunate,” and then he disappears.
Bush still isn’t sleeping well the fourth night. He tosses and turns, and suddenly another figure moves out of the shadows. It’s the ghost of Abraham Lincoln. “Abe,” Bush pleads, “what’s the best thing I can do right now to help the country?” Lincoln pauses, then replies, “Go see a play.”
clinton is coming up on the daily show
When the Path to 911 story was heating up, someone posted that they would have to go back to Internet Explorer because disney owned Firefox…
Liberal Heart @ 173
agreed! We in this house pretty much groan when somebody else is sitting in.
Kewalo @ 167
When I was a kid I didn’t get this kind of crappy comment for thinking. I got it because of physical things… My teeth were too yellow… (well, sorry… born that way) Telling a child that there’s something wrong with how they think or look or feel is reprehensible in the highest degree… (Yeah, she’s pissed again….)
Cozumel @ 170
Coz, would you happen to have that link handy?
Marion in Savannah @ 172
ROTFL! Firefox a Disney product?!?! I truly don’t think so. It was an outgrowth of Mozilla which I believe was Netscape.
Mark Steckel
am with ya but . . .
for a while, a big part of the problem was certain mainstream churches did not want to be seen as banging on other churches and much of the dialog was off line
another facet is a familiar one here – print & broadcast editors trend towards the outrageous – some nutjob gets an end times hard on over the Israeli-Hezbollah war and throws a party for 3500 on the National Mall – that gets press – meanwhile a few million members of the United Church of Christ sign a letter condemning torture and the occupation and zip, nada, zilch
have been loosely following some of the Mainstream (not Mega) Churches sites since Abu Ghraib and anecdotally, there is definitely more noise now than a year ago
then here comes the Danforth book – hoping it will embolden others
drip drip drip, but there’s definitely a leak in that dam
Marion in Savannah @ 172
It isn’t so.
Rayne, these are the states with gas currently under $2.40 as an average for regular:
Missouri $2.190
Ohio $2.193
Oklahoma $2.233
Iowa $2.257
Kentucky $2.267
Minnesota $2.279
Indiana $2.287
South Carolina $2.303
Michigan $2.303
Kansas $2.313
Kansas $2.313
Georgia $2.339
Virginia $2.345
Texas $2.364
Tennessee $2.375
Nebraska $2.381
Arkansas $2.383
North Dakota $2.396
Alabama $2.399
IIRC as gas prices were on the way up South Carolina was usually the cheapest with Missouri not too far behind. Other states with relatively low prices at that time were Oklahoma, Wyoming, Utah, Montana, one of the Dakotas I forget which, and some Southern states like Alabama, Arkansas, and maybe Mississippi. Some of these are still on the list coming down but others like Ohio, some of the states in the Upper Midwest, and possibly Tennessee are more prominent on the list heading down.
LindyH @ 183
Three page article! Enjoy ; )
http://www.salon.com/news/feat…..=whitelist
Margot, Marion — we cut him entirely too much slack by crediting Bush with simply misspeaking all the damn time.
The man went to Yale, for cryin’ out loud. He came from a family of people who can string a few words together coherently.
At what point is he merely misspeaking, or speaking the truth that our cognitive dissonance does not want to hear from the seated President of these United States?
That was the bullying emperor without clothes that we saw at the press conference Friday. KO could have picked apart many other things, like the exchange between David Gregory and Bush. I suspect he picked the one thing we the public would grasp more readily. Even a good number of the fundie base don’t like to be told what to think, after all.
Although I’d like to think, after seeing BeliefNet’s survey results today that said 85% of participants believed that torture is never acceptable, that perhaps KO could have taken on Bush’s comments about torture-as-expected-policy to David Gregory.
the margins are fixed — hit F5
Cozumel @ 188
You’re the best! Thanks!
Hugh @ 187
Hugh FWIW gas was $2.14 in the Twin Cities today. At the BP/Amoco/Standard, which is normally higher.
I must be a Progressive; I get really pissed when gas prices go down.
TRex in the house!
*ilson46201 @
190
*ilson, you’re a fine human being.
Angie,
His subs don’t do the Worst Person in the World thing, only Keith does it.
I think the discussion was more about some computers coming loaded with both Disney crap via Firefox. i don’t remember the exact relationship, but i think it was by inference.
Liberal Heart @ 123
The statement: “If there is any comparison…” is false… Powell did not say there was a comparison. Powell made an observation of what we’re are doing, and Bush claimed it was a comparison. Bush should have addressed the truth or untruth of the observation. After Bush skirts the truth of the observation (what we are doing) he rejects the false comparison (”compassion and decency of Americans” to “terrorist tacticts of extremists”) which he has created.
This angry attack is designed to intimidate, to warn against daring to voice observations unwelcome to Bush.
KO makes a big deal about it because intimidation is another tool Bush uses toward thought control.
EPU’d, but what the hell . . .
KO may have taken Bush’s “four words” a bit out of their context, but not out of Bush’s approach to governing. It matches a remark by Ari Fleischer, Bush’s first press secretary, back in October 2001. Terence Smith of the PBS “News Hour” recounts the episode:
Watch what you say. What what you think. Never dissent. Always obey.
I don’t remember ANY of those phrases, in any context, appearing in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, or any of the other great political writings and speeches of our nation.
Cozumel @ 195
my bad, you are correct.
Balrog #192
Thanks, the numbers I was citing are state averages and so there can be considerable individual variation from station to station. It is rather interesting to see what some of the outliers are because it gives you some idea of where the current lower limits are. $2.15-$2.25 is about where my current guess (OK Wild ass guess) is for averages with individual stations skirting the $2 mark but the situation is fairly fluid.
cbl @ 185
Thanks for the encouraging news. I was in a space when I read the ThinkProgress post and it, well, set me off.
“It matches a remark by Ari Fleischer, Bush’s first press secretary, back in October 2001.”
I remember that and speaking of pissed off, Howard Fineman was big time.
How many countries can we unite in anti-American rage? [James MacDonald, ‘War with Iran’ at Making Light
We’re first in the line to be voted off the planet, I suspect.
We have one party that’s busy stoking the fire with things like ‘head-in-the-sand liberals’ (have they noticed who’s trying to stop this oncoming trainwreck? It ain’t the conservatives).
We have another party that is, at the top, most of it so afraid of scaring the train crew that it isn’t going to do anything useful.
We have a whole helluva lot of pissed off people who can see said trainwreck coming, but are being told to STFU because, well, we-the-people aren’t supposed to be able to see the trainwreck coming. (Hi, y’all!)
We are SOOO screwed.
My favorite part was when Keith said Bush was acting out his rage as though he was a “thwarted three-year old.”
He nailed that one.
Bushie needs a time-out. (Or how about a nice politically incorrect boxing of the ears?)
Once again, to let MSNBC know how much we value Keith’s commentary, here are the e-mail addresses:
viewerservices@msnbc.com
letters@msnbc.com
countdown@msnbc.com
KOlbermann@msnbc.com
dabrams@MSNBC.com’
Better late than never…
Liberal Heart @
123
If that is what he meant he should have said “I”. He didn’t. He means it is unacceptable to think differently from him. Don’t be fooled, he is a meglomaniac. If you disagree it is “unacceptable”.
GSD and LindyH — I vividly see that dictatorship crack from a press availability Bush did at the fireside in the WH in the spring of 2001. There seem to be lots of this comment when you start digging back.
Can’t say he didn’t warn everyone.
Hugh @
187
But the President has nothing to do with gas prices. Yeah,right
Uh oh. I refreshed the Late Nite post, and now I’m getting 404 messages. Hope it’s just at my end.
It’s back. Whew!
cloakanddagger dot de had a photo of a bronze life-size statue of bush elder in texas with red paint splashed over half of it and asked if the anon protestor was thinking of the millions poppy bush had murdered.
At first I thought Keith’s focus on the -unacceptible to think – was strained but then saw that Keith cut to the heart of what bush is doing to stifle dissent in a stalinist way.
New bumper sticker:
“WILL YOU GIVE UP YOUR FREEDOM FOR CHEAP GASOLINE?
Miss Penny @
207
But of course a deeper purpose is at work in all this. As Bush’s actions in the wake of 9-11 indicate, for us the evil must always be outside us.
The day this delusion finally bursts will be an interesting day in America. I don’t believe it will happen in my lifetime though.–his is Davis’ most important message-
Quote:Projection and denial remain the primary principles whereby the collective national psyche operates.
If I believed in tattooing I’d tattoo this on my forehead for the world to read.
This is why the reality of domestic violence, paedophilia, and false-flag terrorism are linked.
The very idea of The Inside Job must be discredited to sustain a system of targeting the American people’s anxieties at State-sanctioned boogiemen who seem different.
You know, poor people, gays, Iranians, etc.—have lots of respect for Walter Davis based on his article also at Counterpunch on fundamentalism. Very thorough explanation and it helped me understand the psychology involved and how it is manipulated.
This man knows what he’s talking about.
Not to divert but to highly recommend the writing of Walter Davis-
http://www.counterpunch.org/davis01082005.html
Walter A. Davis: The Psychology of Christian Fundamentalism
http://p216.ezboard.com/frigor…..–But I also bring you glad tidings. There is an alternative to all this nonsense. A petition exists asking the Governor of Colorado to appoint a Special Prosecutor to take over the case. One can sign that petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/jbr246/petition.html.
There are also, thanks to the Web, places where one can go to get a detailed presentation of all the actual facts and the full history of this sorry affair. The two primary ones are: http://www.supportramseytruth.com and http://www.acandyrose.com.
Though it has become anathema in the mainstream media, it is time to re-instate the hypothesis that offers the most probable account of what happened in the Ramsey house on Dec. 24-25, 1996. That hypothesis agrees with Lin Wood’s belief, in alerting police surveillance people and the media, that the murderer of JonBent Ramsey may very well have been present at Patsy Ramsey’s funeral. In terms of probability-and all we could know about this case if we would begin again and this time stick with the primary phenomenon: the whoring of a child by her mother-the killer was indeed in attendance and now lies in hallowed ground next to her victim.
—But that’s nothing to what JonBent Ramsey and all the other victims of childhood sexual abuse are waiting for in a society where the sexual abuse of children has grown to epidemic proportions and where the primary perpetrators are members of the child’s own family. They await a justice that is no longer possible in Amerika and that its mainline media regard, let’s face it, with cynical contempt. After all, that story could lead to the need to recover the discipline that most everyone, both in academe and in the society at large is so eager to dismiss-Psychoanalysis; and specifically a psychoanalytic understanding of Amerikan society and its most cherished institution, the one where ideology is, in fact, transmitted to those who have little choice but to comply with the desires and conflicts that their parents impose on them. Far better the saga of Mr. Karr, complete with yet another viewing of the JonBent videos.
When it’s all said and done, if we do win our country back, it will be because of the synergy of : John Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Keith Olbermann, and the Blogs (not necessarily in that order). They provided the impetus, venue, and collective voice. There are wonderful individuals, such as John Conyers, Louise Slaughter, Jimmy Carter, Joe Wilson, John Dean, and others (for their courage and tenacity), but they had no venue, without the Blogs and alternative news. It seems it’s all about the venue. In real estate it’s “location, location, location”. In democracy it’s “venue, venue, venue”. Keith, John, Steve, FDL, Dailykos, Crooks And Liars, Media Matters, and several others are like Radio Free Europe. Getting the truth out there.
I have bought the book — and got a notice that they had to BACKORDER it. WooHoo! And I WILL be here when Keith is.
Now this is probably because I remember the assassinations of JFK, RFK, MLK — but I am worried for Keith. I hope he stays safe.
Powell got it wrong when he said “the world is BEGINNING to doubt the moral basis of OUR fight against terrorism.” The world has more than doubted the moral basis for years and it is not OUR fight against terrorism, it’s Bush’s fight against whatever he thinks he’s fighting which has little to do with terrorism.
I compare Bush’s actions (in no way the actions of most of the people of the United States as he claims) to the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective. This is exactly what Bush is doing under the guise of freedom, while also destroying a country and its culture.
Winston Smith was an aspirational terrorist.
GOD BLESS OLBERMANN!
Liberal Heart @
46
KO actually gave Bushwhacker a break. If you read Bush’s actual words, he accused Powell of subverting the actions of the “American people”, not himself. No, none of this is Bush’s fault in his tiny mind. It’s all the will of the “American people”, better known as PNAC.
Peace!
Marion in Savannah @ 52
I get it, too, and a “javascript error” warning icon in the lower left hand corner of my IE 6.0 browser.
The only thing I will watch on MSNBC a few times a month, I was very happy to tune in for this. It was a great opinion piece, and the “uncacceptable to think” also stopped me in my tracks when he played it.
FWIW (and EPU’ing to beat the band):
I haven’t read anyone addressing what Bush actually said re Powell’s statement. Bush “interpreted” it (wrongly, self-servingly) to mean a comparison between the US moral stance and the terrorists’ moral stance. Which he then indignantly rejected. But Powell didn’t say that. He didn’t say, Now we’re as bad as the terrorists. What he said was, Now we are abandoning the moral posture that has made us great. The comparison is to be made, not between us and terrorists (as Bush pretended he’d said), but between our current moral behavior (under Bush), and our previous, better moral behavior.
I know, I know–I’m implying that Bush is dishonest. Well, deal with it.
ccmask @
163
NOOOOO Firefox is NOT Disney!!! But Netscape is a AOL/Time Warner product…you are better off with FireFox than Netscape.
Bush’s comments need closer examination. [also posted at C&L]
“Mr. President, former Secretary of State Colin Powell says the world is beginning to doubt the moral basis of our fight against terrorism,” he was asked by a reporter. “If a former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and former secretary of state feels this way, don’t you think that Americans and the rest of the world are beginning to wonder whether you’re following a flawed strategy?”
“If there’s any comparison between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist tactics of extremists, it’s flawed logic,” Bush said. “It’s just — I simply can’t accept that. It’s unacceptable to think that there’s any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.”
Let’s look at those statements, skipping the ‘unacceptable’ part:
…any comparison between the compassion and decency of the American people and the terrorist tactics of extremists, it’s flawed logic.
…any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.
In the first he refers to the American people. In the next he refers to the behavior of the USA. He falsely equates both with his administration.
He is neither “the American people”, nor “the USA”. He is the head of his administration, and it is becoming more evident by the day that it is quite thinkable to equate the actions of his adminstration and himself with “the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective”.
And that’s why he’s so angry, and needs a retroactive pass for the laws he’s broken, both national and international. You can bet that once he’s out of office he’ll never leave the country lest he be nabbed and shipped off to The Hague for trial.