
While we’re discussing a need for accountability, there’s a great op-ed in the Baltimore Sun that deserves some discussion today:
Ultimately, the struggle over the Sept. 18 authorization – and how the U.S. fights terrorists in general – is a battle between competing visions of American democracy. The Constitution establishes the courts as a check on power and Congress as a means to oversee, restrain and improve executive conduct. In a radical departure, Mr. Bush rejects that American tradition. He primarily sees Congress and the courts as a barrier to effective national security. (The administration’s 2005 report on National Defense Strategy even predicts American "judicial processes" will become a weapon of choice for our enemies.)
Yet recent history in the fight against terrorists demonstrates the opposite. The vulnerabilities exploited by the 9/11 hijackers came to light only when a congressionally mandated commission scrutinized the executive branch. The Abu Ghraib trials are supposed to advance accountability, legitimacy and order in the military. And recent congressional investigations helped expose the faulty intelligence on weapons of mass destruction and the waste and graft in defense spending.
Five years after Congress authorized force to destroy the perpetrators of 9/11, Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaida leaders remain at large. It is a tragic irony that President Bush spent years embellishing the Sept. 18 authorization to cover new targets and illegal actions, yet failed to catch the enemy the authorization was meant to destroy.
In public and in court, the administration still claims it got a blank check on Sept. 18, 2001. But it is now clear that Congress did not write a blank check – the president forged it. (emphasis mine)
It is worth noting that the sole reason we are even having a discussion about the treatment of prisoners in US custody this week is because the conservative-leaning United States Supreme Court told the Bush Administration "enough." The GOP-controlled rubber stamp Congress has had more than five years to perform their duty of oversight — but have only stepped into the fray in the small way that they have following the challenge in Hamdan. Some real commitment to the Constitution and ethics, huh?
Mary hits the nail on the head with the following:
There is a tremendously larger picture and the door has blown wide open for some minor accomodation on torture and then “rejoicing” over the “victory” as a systemic evisceration of both our criminal justice and military justice codes becomes enshrined.
Graham sees a win/win IMO He can raise this squawk, appease some of his military friends that he is trying to do something, offer up a singleton or deuce area of compromise for the WH to still get all the amnesty it wants and continue with secretive abuses that have no review. But he thinks – hey, Bush won’t be around that long. The military wants to clean up, so it will some as soon as he’s gone and with the amnesty and no judicial review, no habeas, we won’t have to re-live the abuses that have already happened and tarnish the country and military with them.
He just forgets the most central posit of both criminal and military justice – accountability.
Bush has NOT gone with military commissions under the much waved banner (that Graham endorses) that the ideologic confrontation as well as the physical one is a “war” which makes the commissions the “logical” response Instead, he’s gone for this for two reasons.
First is one that has some minor aspects that need review and consideration – but which has been twisted and abused beyond recognition. The issue is that with the kinds of significant, paramilitary attacks/threats posed by some of the “terrorist” groups (and BTW- if someone checks the definitions and lack thereof for what makes a “terroris” group in the US, THERE is a frighteningly vague matter – if there are worries over vagueness) there is a perceived (and possibly/probably real – it’s just the level of depravity of what passes for DOJ’s practice of law in this area leave me with no trust) need to be able to detain someone, even if there has not been a crime that can be pointed to with clarity.
The only place this concept comes to any fruition under our common law heritage – with its strong habeas corpus tradition – is “battlefield” detentions by the military. It is the only place where the ability to detain without charges until a “resolution of conflict” can be found.
So what Bush&Co have done is to declare the world a battlefield, an unending battle against terror, and thereby to justify detention with no charges until the memory of man runneth not to the contrary. That’s where military detention aspects come in. However, standard military justice aspects didn’t give him what he wanted, even there so…
Second concept. I’m CIC, I can make the military do anything I want Throw in CIA as a part of DOD. With this, he has said, by fiat, that he can get rid of the Geneva Conventions requirements
a) for regularly consituted tribunals for trials of charges (what went up on Hamdan) and
b) similar standards for review of status under the conventions (which means, if someone claims they were mistakenly rounded up and are not a “battlefield” or “illegal combatant” detainee – but are, say a civilian or a POW etc.
Now those have been, not only requirements of the Geneva Conventions but of our UCMJ – and Bush just ditched. Entirely. And pretty much wants to continue with that. Not only that, he also went with getting rid of requirements
c) relating to juveniles
d) disallowing tortured and coerced testimony (and big heads up here – this is happening in civil courts as we speak with Salah and Padilla – Padilla just lost round one on exclusions of torture testimony)
e) disallowing hearsay etc (and here, after years, they laughingly use the ‘battlefield’ justification – no one can stop and collect evidence on the battlefield, doncha know – google the combatant status review tribunals and look at the kangaroo court approach for this)
f) requiring that a charged party know the charges and the evidence against them….
The frightening thing is how many of these aspects the Graham Warner bill is willing to keep. To then say,they will compromise with the WH to dilute – that has to just grab you in the gut, even if the torture aspects were not so overwhelming….
But even the Grahams (and I think he absolutely and clearly sees each of these issues – whereas McCain seems to be a relatively clueless figurehead who wants to just keep his gravitas on torture) are primarily concerned with not haveing things come out that will make people look bad – not really about fixing what the President has done. I’m sure he thinks that the military will eventually get around to fixing some of it when Bush is gone.
When has that ever worked for any military – let’s just keep going down an immoral subverted path with no accountability for years, b[ecause] someday will have a better leader and then it will miraculously all be better?
Spot on, excellent rant, Mary. And something that deserved a bigger spotlight than being buried in the comments, so I hope you don’t mind the lengthy quote.
Oh, and speaking of waste and graft in defense spending as mentioned in the above op-ed, Robert Greenwald is having a press conference, along with Sen. Byron Dorgan and Sen. Harry Reid and other Democrats today in Washington DC, regarding his Iraq for Sale documentary on abuses of war profiteering. Following the presser, there will be a hearing run by Senate Dems. on the issue, taking testimony from former employees of a number of the companies who have had no-bid cost-plus contracts in Iraq for years with little to no (emphasis on the no) oversight from the GOP-controlled rubber stamp Congress. (Details here.) We’ll bring you more on this as we get it.
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FITZ!
“If you are against torture, you are in favor of protecting the terrorists.”
False choice.
We’re for law and order. As demonstrated by WTC bombers in 1993, terrorists are best fought with cross-border police work, not the military. By the way, there are a few laws and treaties which apply here, although Bush never let things like that bother him. Don’t like the law? It’s time for a signing statement.
We’re for protecting the Constitution – maybe you want to revisit those oaths you took at your two inaugurations. (Interesting campaign ad – Bush promising to preserve protect and defend the constitution with an scrolling text overlay of his crimes.)
We’re for protecting American freedoms and American values, you know – the ones you always say the terrorists hate us for. Maybe that’s how you plan to win the ‘War on Terror.’ If we have no freedoms, the terrorists won’t hate us.
We’re for protecting our reputation of equal justice for all.
Torture doesn’t work.
At the end of the day, we’re in favor of protecting ourselves, Mr. President, from you.
Mary!
Christy, the hearing is supposed to be on CSPAN 3 at 2pm.
Also David Corn replay from this morning on CSPAN 1 at noon.
http://inside.c-spanarchives.o…..hedule.csp
YAY Mary!
Here are the authors of the Baltimore Sun op-ed. They deserve a few props.
Posted this on the other thread, but I missed the party so will re-post it here: If anyone wants a debate call Sen Smith’s office…..
Wow…, well that was interesting… I just spent 22 minutes on the phone with a staffer for Senator Smith (R-OR). We debated the merits of Bush’s and McCain’s plans for re-defining artical 3 of the GC. I have to say I have never had that experience before. When I usually call it is a quick 2 minute here is where I stand call. So, Smith is “leaning” toward the McCain style approach, but is still basically keeping his options open on where he stands. I am so glad I had FDL to resource during the debate. I mean, come on, I had only had one cup of coffee. One little tidbit, the staffer tried to use the red herring about how muslims consider interrogation by female officers tortuous, therefore, we need to define what is torture so we don’t have all that grey area. Of course I told him that was a red herring and certainly no one in the international community was upset over that issue. How about waterboarding??? I also pointed out that if the president won’t state what tactics we are employing because he doesn’t want to tell the enemy what we are doing, then how are we supposed to debate actual techniques that we can use that aren’t torture? It makes no sense!!! Argh…. Whew….I’m awake now!
It nneds to be said that Bush’s desire to use torture on detainees has nothing to do with keeping America safe. America’s safety is the last thing on his mind, and he has proved that to be the case many times over. His insistance that torture be used is a manifestation of his sadistic urges, first telegraphed by his mistreatment of small animals as a child. This is about a sick man wanting our permission to gratify his base impulses under the false umbrella of national security. We can’t let him get away with it.
Rushton @ 7
Perhaps, but it seems more likely that he just wants to keep the focus on the GWOT, and away from the disaster in Iraq. Dems should not be distracted. Keep talking about Iraq.
I read that op-ed in my Baltimore Sun this morning, over breakfast (what does it say that I can still eat while contemplating this stuff?).
Sunday’s WaPo had an editorial that I was kind of surprised to see, frankly. Here’s part of it:
A License to Abuse
Just say no, indeed.
That is a great meme/elevator speech to throw back in their faces.
J. Donne @
8
To this I would add that their greatest fear right now is that a Democratic House will initiate several investigationis into WH conduct, including lying the nation into a war (9/11 and WMD), detainee torture, and NSA unwarranted spying.
To the Pubs, each of these is like holding up a crucifix to Dracula’s face.
I’m not for terrorists, I’m not for a unitary executive, I’m for due process of law.
Christy,
Sorry I botched my response in the previous thread – so with the indulgence of this community, I am reposting it here.
Thank you for writing about this subject in such an informative and pragmatic way. My emotions become so embroiled over this issue that I doubt my own ability to put together coherent thoughts.
For you and others who are interested – a couple of things came out over the weekend.
First – given the way even the “so called” compromise bill is written, it is possible that those writing it and voting for it open themselves up to “War Crime” charges, per this article in “The Jurist”: http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/for…..litary.php
Also, Lord Goldsmith, Britain’s Attorney General, fired a warning shot to Bu$shCo that the “civilized world” WILL INSIST on accoutability: http://politics.guardian.co.uk…..83,00.html
So if your Senator or Congresscritter leans toward the Torture and CYA abomination, and they are so craven as to have lost all Principle, Morals and are ethically bankrupt, you can remind them their own asses are on the line.
Christy – a question for you – Is their anyway “We the People” can file class action law suit against a list of the Bu$hCO cabal and sue back some of the war profits these twisted, criminally insane Psychopaths have stolen from OUR treasury?
Cogent analysis, mary. And a great rant as well!
As I said at the bottom of the last thread, there does seem to be agreement within the Republican party that any illegal deeds of the past should not be prosecuted. They seem to be baiting the Democrats to wiegh in as partisans to advocate prosecution of those poor young CIA agents who just, golly, couldn’t possibly be expected to administer “the program” for another gosh darn minute until those mean old vague Geneva conventions the rest of the world and we have been operating under for the past 60 years are cleared up. *breath*
The issue before us is simply this: If the administration is claiming that what they were doing–whether it worked or not– was not illegal, then there is no need to change current law. If they think it was illegal, then there is no need to provide amnesty for those who broke the law. If they are not sure if it was illegal, a court will need to sort that out. In NO instance will retroactively changing U.S. law affect the prosecution of those acts in a court adjudicating the Geneva Conventions.
And let there be no mistake that it is NOT the poor, young CIA agents they are concerned about giving amnesty to.
“Les Caught, C’est Vous.”
Grandma, 13: Your link to jurist.law is broken. Connect the “.php” to the end of the “military.”
OR, one of the mod’s can fix it for you.
The WaPo editorial is wrong about the clock ticking: it’s ticking for the war criminals. Now that the 14 high-value (tortured) detainees are at Gitmo, they’ll soon have Red Cross visitors who’ll ask them about their treatment in previous detention facilities. That’ll blow the lid off Bushie’s grown-up version of exploding frogs, and he knows it. There’s a reason for the rush — it’s not the midterms, it’s the humanitarian monitors of our detainers’ behavior, coming soon to Gitmo.
Of course he’ll stop the program if he doesn’t get his way — international opinion will be a chorus of disapproval, just after his warmongering speech at the UN and prior to the November elections. The Red Cross may say, “I gotcher October surprise right here, Mr. Preznit!” Let’s hope!
Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq’s Green Zone
Rajiv Chandrasekaran
Monday, September 18, 2006; 12:00 PM
He will be online Monday, Sept. 18, at noon ET. to discuss his new book, Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq’s Green Zone, and to answer your questions.
Submit your questions and comments before or during today’s discussion.
I think the content of this book is a way to get the TM to ask the Shrub questions about Iraq and the
War in ErrorWar on Terror that he does not want to answer. Anyone who wants to show the author some love can use this online chat.Mmmmmm…warm cider heated with some cinnamon and ginger in it. I love Fall… (Had to share a happy morning moment with you guys. *G*)
If we were to apply the same standards listed above to governnments other than our own, they would be broadly called dictatorships. I’m stunned that GWB actually has considered the opinions of the SCOTUS, I’m sure they annoy him. One would think that he’d challenge the SCOTUS to display the army that would enforce the opinions against him, as another president in another century has done.
orangejumpsuit @
15
fixed
Anne at 9:04, thanks. It sure doesn’t look like something Fred Hiatt wrote.
OT: for New York area-people, I don’t know if this has been very publicized, but United for Peace and Justice is marching to the UN tomorrow.
link
Posted a longer reply to Mary on the last thread . . . if Bush’s prescription is so good for dealing with foreign terrorists who want to do us harm, why not allow all this agressive interrogation, secret evidence, etc. for attacking domestic threats?
Another question: shocks whose conscience? A “simple” beating shocks mine. I don’t even want to think about what it would take to shock Cheney’s conscience (although I suspect it’s a lot higher voltage than it takes to shock that sooty black thing that pumps his blood).
OT Howard Kurtz will be online Monday, Sept. 18, at noon ET to discuss the press and his latest columns.
One of the points that Jane brought out this weekend about Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq’s Green Zone is Kate O’Beirne’s husband, Jim,’s role. He administers the Bush loyalty test to anyone who wanted
to stealto work on Iraq’a reconstruction. It didn’t matter what your skills were as long as you were anti-abortion and pro Bush. I have already submitted to Howard Kurtz a question about why Kate doesn’t disclose this when she comments on Iraq. She and her husband have a financial interest in our staying there.yeah, except bush is changing the laws to protect himself after he has broken them…a tactic used for other things… if he gets away with it he’ll literally be getting away with murder and torture
http://www.miserywatch.com/200….._craf.html
Um, you mean, he’s torturing them over there, so he can torture us over here?
Also, Mary for Attorney General.
John Casper @ 17
Thanks, John
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Rushton:
“It nneds(sic) to be said that Bush’s desire to use torture on detainees has nothing to do with keeping America safe…”
It has everything to do with keeping America terrified OF IT’S OWN GOVERNMENT!!! The corporate fascists have been using fear and terror on their own political allies as well as those in the general public who do not agreee with ‘em. The glue that keeps these fearful elected political figures cemented to the Bush Junta is campaign contributions and outright graft paid for by a slick and direct laundary of taxpayers’ money from government to corporations to politicians and back to the executive again thru legislation.
Is there anyone out there who is gettin’ mighty worried about the rediculousness of the Kabuki dance of election politics while the executive thru the federal courts holds unchecked power to act. We have a full blown corporate fascist government in power, controlled by an oligarchy of intermarried families thru large and internationally consolidated corporations. That’s a fact Jack!!
Enough of this agonizing, intellectual faggot hasseling about how to “frame” the issues or politically position ourselves in order to convince a mass of people who are already convinced by their own expeience and way ahead of the curve. We need some Howard Dean plain speaking ACTION and to start with we call ‘em what they are: FASCISTS. Then we run “Throw The Rascals Out ” videos in every single fascist held congressional District. And we make every single elected fascist Senator up for reelction run on his/her support for the war or make ‘em denounce it. Fight ‘em with the language and issues they have expropriated and sue the bastards in state and federal court like the Wilson’s have done on a variety of actions that have damaged individuals (whether or not the charges even get to trial).
The elction is meaningless unless it is a referendum on Bushfascism, illegal acts and treason…take every phrase and every issue that the fascists have used to terrorize EVERYone including Republican critters and put it to the vote. In other words, take Karl Rove and cram ‘im right up their asses.
KEEP THE FAITH AND SAVE US FROM THE DACHSHUNDS OF LIBERAL HELL!!!
TeddySanFran @ 16
That clock is not going to stop ticking just because the president strong-arms Congress into passing any legislation. This is part and parcel of the election strategy, though – that’s why it’s being framed as “it’s either this program or terrorists hunting us down in our neighborhoods.” Even though it’s total BS and a total false choice, they want some kind of record to beat us over the head with heading into November. They weren’t counting on so much opposition from within their own party (yeah, I know it’s only a few people, but for the GOP that’s a lot of resistance), and from within the military.
I have had enough, and can’t understand why others have not…have they acquired a fondness for the taste of BS? Have they been fully and completely brainwashed into believing that there really is a pony under that mountain of manure that’s been shoveled at us for the last 6 years?
Although off topic, this Time magazine cover story appears to be of sufficient importance to justify mentioning on this thread: http://www.time.com/time/magaz…..17,00.html
Time subscribers can view the text of the complete story online. It originally came to my attention by way of Raw Story.
If anyone else here has read this entire article, please post comments about any other revelations contained in it.
Norske, aZACKly! And be prepared to meet some contractors on our front porch.
John Casper @ 21
Had the same thought, John – *g*
Peterr @ 23
Geez, don’t give ‘em any ideas. (Not that they haven’t already had ‘em.)
Peterr @ 23
Peterr – The internal terror has already begun.
Outing an NOC is an act of terror.
This terror act has a target universe larger than just one individual. It targets the entire CIA and intelligence community with the following message – be very afraid – we can and will do anything including destroying you, our own intelligence agents, to further our political objectives.
That our own government is engaged in state sponsored terrorism targeting US intelligence agents is far more frightening than any number of extremist bombings or plane hijackings.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 32
That must be the October suprise. We’re going to blockade.
The second paragraph is at TPM
jmba, someone in Sen. Smith’s office likes to talk. I had about as lengthy a conversation with a male in his DC office over net neutrality a couple months ago. Not that it helped Smith vote correctly…
Speaking of Baltimore, and Maryland, check out the latest on the Donna Edwards campaign and the very real possibility of fraud and tampering in the race for Congress:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/9/15/191754/190.
UptownNYChick @ 37
Just because there is really a quarter in their left hand (torture), doesn’t mean there isn’t a quarter in their right hand (Iran), too.
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Hotflash:
“And be prepared to meet some contractors on our front porch.” Yes indeed, the domestic political terror has already started…it started a long time ago ( the Palmer raids, the McCarthy movement, Richard Nixon’s Cointelpro…). So what are they gunna do, send our asses ta Iraq, put us in the newly privatized ,federally subsidized prisons??!!
I am so tired and disgusted with mainstream liberal fear masqueradin’ as politics that I am ready ta call the whole thing off…come and get me muthafuckas!!!
KEEP THE FAITH, YOUR ENEMIES ARE THEIR FRIENDS BUT SO ARE A WHOLE LOTTA YER FRIENDS!!!
As a college student at Harvard, John F Kennedy was moved by Winston Churchill’s While England Slept. Then, as a senior, Kennedy wrote Why England Slept, trying to explore the motives behind what Churchill described. In 1941 – before Pearl Harbor – Kennedy’s book was published, and it was republished in 1961 when he took office as president.
In the introduction, JFK writes this:
I fear that someone is writing a book right now Why America Slept. Given our free press, our system of government which provides for congressional hearing to keep the executive branch accountable for its actions, and our public elections, it is certainly more than just “Bush lied; people died.”
But if that book is being written today, FDL and its commentors will go down as the voices crying for accountability.
Bravo!
Excerpts from the Text of the Bush torture indemnification bill:
A BILL
To facilitate bringing to justice terrorists and other unlawful enemy combatants through full and fair trials by military commissions, and for other purposes.
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE. This Act may be cited as the “Military Commissions Act of 2006”.
SEC. 2. FINDINGS.(6) The use of military commissions is particularly important in this context because other alternatives, such as the use of courts-martial, generally are impracticable. The terrorists with whom the United States is engaged in armed conflict have demonstrated a commitment to the destruction of the United States and its people, to the violation of the law of war, and to the abuse of American legal processes. In a time of ongoing armed conflict, it generally is neither practicable nor appropriate for combatants like al Qaeda terrorists to be tried before tribunals that include all of the procedures associated with courts-martial.
(Emphasis mine: note how they’re all summarily “terrorists” a priori. Why even bother with trials? Just kill or Gulag everyone collared – after we finish torturing them, including the likely vast majority that are simply innocent.)
SEC. 2.(7)(B) exclude the use of hearsay evidence even though such evidence often will be the best and most reliable evidence that the accused has committed a war crime.
(So, if it’s all we’ve got it’s good enough, irrespective of any evidentiary weakness?)
SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR MILITARY COMMISSIONS.
(a) IN GENERAL.—The President is authorized to establish military commissions for violations of the law of war and other offenses triable by military commissions as provided in section 4 of this Act (chapter 47A of title 10).
(b) CONSTRUCTION.—The authority granted in subsection (a) shall not be construed to limit the authority of the President under the Constitution of the United States or the laws thereof to establish military commissions on the battlefield, in occupied territories, or in other armed conflicts should circumstances so require.
(More “Unfettered Executive with Plenary Powers” BS)
SEC. 6. SATISFACTION OF TREATY OBLIGATIONS.
IN GENERAL.—(a) Satisfaction of the prohibitions against cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment set forth in Section 1003 of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (title X of Public Law 109-148; 119 Stat. 2739; 42 U.S.C. 2000dd) shall fully satisfy United States obligations with respect to the standards for detention and treatment established by section 1 of common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, with the exception of the obligations imposed by subsections 1(b) and 1(d) of such Article.
(Bush gets to simply stipulate that we are full compliance with Geneva.)
(b) RIGHTS NOT JUDICIALLY ENFORCEABLE.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—No person in any habeas action or any other action may invoke the Geneva Conventions or any protocols thereto as a source of rights, (emphasis mine) whether directly or indirectly, for any purpose in any court of the United States or its States or territories.
(2) CONSTRUCTION.—Paragraph (1) may not be construed to affect the obligations of the United States under the Geneva Conventions.
(So, nobody gets to invoke Geneva in any event, BushCo has totally covered its ass. Prohibitions against torture, consequently, are essentially moot)
SEC. 9. RETROACTIVE APPLICATION.
This Act shall take effect on the date of the enactment of this Act and shall apply retroactively, including to any aspect of the detention, treatment, or trial of any person detained at any time since September 11, 2001, and to any claim or cause of action pending on or after the date of the enactment of this Act.
(More blatant and utterly obvious CYA.)
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Again, I’m not a lawyer. But this piece of shit could not be more blatantly unaccaptable to our U.S. moral and constitutional heritage.
_
Message for this thread’s moderator(s): how easy will it be to correct the misspelling of my name in comments 37 and 40, please? Thank you very much for your help.
This from earlier thread, just prior to Mary telling Peterr it was possible:
HotFlash @
91
‘Scuse me, I gotta go make me a pointy stick.
Christy, this and the previous post are why I love this site so much: frank, clear, concise analysis of a very complicated issue. Not that to torture or not to torture is a complicated issue, but the legal and political maneuvering can be baffling. Your writing, however, is quite simply, outstanding.
And, Mary, kudos.
Finally, on the topic of waste and fraud, in the September “Harpers”, Lewis Lapham details the “winners” of the Iraq occupation:
“During the five years since the striking down of the World Trade Center towers, the United States Congress has appropriated well over $300 billion for the Bush administration’s never-ending war against all the world’s evildoers. Now flowing eastward out of Washington at the rate of $1.5 billion a week, much of the money takes the form of no-bid contracts, cost-plus and often immune from audit-at least $12.4 billion to Halliburton; $5.3 billion for Parsons Corporation; $3.7 billion for Fluor Corporation; $3.1 billion for Washington Group International; $2.8 billion for Bechtel Corporation.
snip
So also the goods and services with which private security companies supplement the American military…For a discreet companion armed with an assault rifle and a record of prior service under the Chilean dictator General Augusto Pinochet, Blackwater USA charges $600 a day, plus a 36 percent markup for expenses…
snip
For the friends of the free market operating in Iraq it doesn’t matter who gets killed or why; every day is payday…”
Lapham’s editorial has my blood boiling. He goes on to document how the share values of these companies have doubled, and even tripled, over the past three years.
Lapham called for Bush’s impeachment several months ago. If I had my way, languishing in a cold jail cell for the rest of his life is too good for that war criminal.
Thank you Christy, for helping me to redirect that rage into action and constructive, but slow, oh so slow, change.
OT
Alexandria, Va.: At National Review, and confessing he’s friends with the people involved, Ramesh Ponnuru suggests you have some basic problems of competency yourself when it comes to the facts. Will you be addressing the idea that you’re spinning this war against the Bushies?
Rajiv Chandrasekaran: I haven’t read his piece, but I’ll do so after this chat.
Here we go, shoot the messenger
mc at 46 — aw, thanks. Much appreciated. :)
booyah!
I submitted something similar– this is wayyy better! John, is this yours?
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Hotflash:
LMAO…tinfoil hats and sharp sticks and maybe a few clubs and non-radioactive rocks, that’s what we’re gunna be left with if we don’t get rid of these folks. This election is just the first action step. We will need treason and war crimes trials to permenantly place these folks in history’s hell.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN’ AMMO!!!
Adrienne @ 39
The comments are very interesting on that post. Matt Stoller is (deservedly, I would say)taking a lot of flack for this:
Hi fives, Norske, gotta go do some work!
Completely off topic question for the woodworker/birder types in the audience: Mr. ReddHedd has purchased a brand new, lovely cedar feeder and post for me for my upcoming birthday. (It’s a ways away, but my old feeder is in pathetic shape here by the kitchen window and he thought I might like something a bit nicer. He is correct. *g*)
Because it is cedar, I know that it has some protective qualities in terms of bugs and the elements, but I’m wondering if it wouldn’t be a good idea to give it a good dosing of some protective varnish or some such to keep it from rotting in the rain and snow. Any thoughts from folks who work on this sort of thing far more than I do? (It’s really a lovely feeder — a gazebo style, with a central core for the seed and covered areas for the birds to hop in and out, and a lovely cedar pole on which to mount it.)
Christy-you are welcome!
Now I just need to find a way to stop pounding my head on my desk when I read shit like this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..cut_senate
The banging annoys my coworkers.
Christy,I wouldn’t put varnish on it,the birds won’t like the smell.(this does apply for bat houses,birds may be less picky)Or just varnish the roof,not the whole feeder.
Perhaps you or hubby could fashion a little roof cover out of copper flashing(you can cut it with scissors or tin snips)that overhangs the roof a bit to protect it some.
Emanuel is dragging the Democratic Party through the mud. Big time!
http://www.workingforchange.co…..DA8075DD01
angie @ 4
I’m assuming that since the hearing on war profiteering is being held by the Dems, that means no subpoena power, no testimony under oath and a room in the basement?
Don’t get me wrong, thank goodness for CSpan and it’s great to shine some more light on the cockroaches involved in this disgusting situation, but it just makes me yearn even more for January when the consequences will finally hit the fan for this mind-boggling corrupt administration. Are there enough rooms in the Capitol for all of the hearings and investigations that will need to be held?
The magnitude of the infestation of cronyism and corruption into every department and agency of our government makes me think of the giant fungus that’s been discovered in southeastern Oregon. All that’s visible on the surface are small scattered clumps of mushrooms, but they are part of the single largest living organism on earth that lives three feet underground and is 3 1/2 miles across.
Moderator(s) – thank you for the corrections you made. I think I see what happened. In comment 40, my name contains a link to Talking Points Memo; part of the URL for that link was originally combined with my name. How easily can that link to TPM be eliminated? Once again, thank you for your help.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 53
Western Red Cedar is one of the few wood species that are naturally at home in the outdoors. It is classified as a durable wood by the building codes across North America, which permits the use of its heartwood in exterior applications without preservative treatments. The heartwood contains extractives that are toxic to decay causing fungi. The two principal extractives that are responsible for the decay resistance are Thujaplicans and water soluble phenolics. The tree’s ability to produce these extractives increases with age making the outer regions of heartwood the most durable.
http://www.weyerhaeuser.com/co…..istics.htm
Christy Hardin Smith @ 53
Hi Christie,
Not varnish, but linseed oil. Available at any hardware store, apply to wood with a rag or brush on all exposed surfaces, wait 20 min and wipe off excess. Wait 24 hours between coats, 2-3 should do. No solvents or toxic fumes, safe for peoples and birdses. (I wouldn’t use it on people-food surfaces, though.)
Maintenance: put another coat on, maybe once a year. Unlike varnishes, linseed oil finishes never need stripping. My cred: harpsichord builder, knowledgeable re historic finishes. It’s on my bird feeder, too.
persiflage & piffle @ 57
Actually, iirc Byron Dorgan has routinely put witnesses under oath and the hearings are in proper rooms. He has been doing fantastic work all along, though I feel your pain that it is just the Dems. It does seem a lovely convergence is occurring though with Rajiv’s work, Iraq for Sale and these hearings.
And yeah, hopefully we will take the Hill with hearings and investigations post November. No extended vacations, but lots of cleansing sunshine.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 53
Christy, I think the reason so many bird feeders are made out of cedar is that they are resistant to weather – I think cedar has a fiarly high oil content, which helps prevent damage from water.
HotFlash @ 60
Kewl.
RawStory – Soros tells Raw: Dems must subpoena Bush… Soon…
Excellent! Rajiv Chandrasekaran has a web site, including an ‘events’ section ; )
http://www.rajivc.com/
Amazon link to order the book, I just did.
http://www.amazon.com/Imperial…..mp;s=books
windje @ 2
Will go back to reading others in a moment, but this nails it. We can’t let BushCo frame this.
If you are against torture, you are standing up for the Constitution and this democracy against a president who boasted in March 2001 that he didn’t have a problem with dictatorships as long as he got to be dictator. And he’s been going down that road ever since. If the RubberStamp Republicans won’t stand up, we the people will.
Now back to reading your comments above…hope I’m not redundant!
Hotflash at 60 and everyone else — thanks SO much. This is one of the many reasons I love our commenters. No matter how obscure my question, I know someone out there is going to be an expert on it. :) Will head out to the hardware store today and get this started. I can’t wait to get this feeder up — will post a picture for everyone when it is. :)
OT–cspan 2 has a live Webb/Allen debate right now.
Allen praising Walmart.
sheesh.
op99 @
63
you play concerts champêtres ?
HotFlash @
60
For food surfaces you can use mineral oil. With linseed oil, be careful disposing of the rags you use to apply it. They are prone to spontaneous combustion.
*ilson46201 @ 69
Not if it looks like rain!
On Friday in the Rose Garden, Bush said:
Unless he gets his way, he’ll stop torturing and send his young proessionals home, and outcome much to be desired. So, for exactly what reason is McCain trying to appease and compromise with the young professionals’ commander-in-chief? For what reason is he trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
op99 @
63
That is cool. I’m an archaeologist and have little real woodworking cred. Though I have refinished stuff before.
P.S. Frank Rich was on Imus this morning promoing his new book, The Greatest Story Ever Sold, about how BushCo lied us into Iraq…which sounds like a sure Pulitzer nominee. He’ll be on Colbert Tuesday evening. Must-see tee-vee…or vidclips at the websites. If MSNBC were as technologically advanced and/or marketing savvy as Comedy Central and actually did manage to get the vidclip on their website. Colbert, we know we can count on. I’ll check MSNBC later.
*ilson46201 @ 69
Je joue le kazoo. :)
cleter @ 70
For food surfaces you can use mineral oil. With linseed oil, be careful disposing of the rags you use to apply it. They are prone to spontaneous combustion.
Hi Cleter,
Mineral oil won’t be so good outside, it evaporates completely. That’s why no ‘waxy buildup’ with lemon oil= scented mineral oil, etc. For salad bowls and other food-contact surfaces that get wet I use walnut oil or beeswax.
Prairie Sunshine-
Thanks for the info. How sad is it that media’s most reliable news analysis source is often the comedy channel? If Edward R. Murrow were alive today would he be the host of The Daily Show?
cleter at 70 — any hints on how to avoid the spontaneous combustion? Because, you know, I’d rather not set my trash cans on fire or anything. *g*
OT: Y’all don’t forget Big Dawg on TDS tonight
Yowza!
:-)
HotFlash @ 76
Hi Cleter,
Mineral oil won’t be so good outside, it evaporates completely. That’s why no ‘waxy buildup’ with lemon oil= scented mineral oil, etc. For salad bowls and other food-contact surfaces that get wet I use walnut oil or beeswax.
I usually apply mineral oil several times, and then wax with a mix of mineral oil and beeswax. I’ve had good luck with that, but I’ve never tried it on a bird feeder or something outside. I did not know that the lemon scented-stuff was mineral oil. That’s interesting.
On-topic, I am opposed to torture. I can’t believe the ostensible President of the United States is even bringing up crap like this. How low have they sunk? How much lower can they go?
Cleter, what’s your area? My BGF is an Assyriologist, specialty Old Babylonian omens. She’s cried and cried over what’s being lost there. Us too.
cleter @ 77
But he is alive today…Olbermann.
Moi meme @ 75.
“Je joue le kazoo” doit etre “Je joue au kazoo.”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 78
I’ve seen the smodering trash can thing and it’s not pretty.
I think if you soak them in a bucket of water for a good long time you can then safely throw them out if you want. Soak ‘em until right before your trash pickup. Then throw them away. That doesn’t sound very environmentally sensitive but it should work. In theory, you could probably wash out the rags as well. You just don’t want a wad of oily rags in the trash (or anywhere) for an extended period.
You probably won’t have many rags, anyway. It’s not like you’re finishing a giant chifferobe or table or something.
op99 @ 51
Thanks, OP, for commenting. This story is not getting much play, but if Ohio was any indication, fraud and tampering will play a big part in the mid-term elections, whether it involves electronic machines or not. I wrote to John Dean to ask if the DNC has a group of lawyers on standby. They should. The Democrats, and our country, should not roll over again.
Christy, Probably wouldn’t hurt to hang some “peanut butter suet” nearby but not attached to your cedar feeder for distraction. Woodpeckers are notorious fans of cedar. As my husband the insurance guy can attest by the clients filing claims for woody’s pecking at their cedar siding.
Ask your hardware guy for advice on disposing of the linseed oil rags.
op99 @ 63
Interesting. Shouldn’t you then be something like BWV.99 or Kirkpatrick99 or Longo99, then? Do you have a catalog online, HotFlash?
Christy – re treating cedar organically. No idea whether the stuff you got is Western Red Cedar, which is very durable, but here’s what they do in Cordova, Alaska to treat cedar or what they call ‘iron bark.” Linseed oil, pine tar and turpentine. The Cordova formula, called “bear shit,” is pretty heavy on the pine tar.
I’d recommend one part pine tar, three parts linseed oil and two parts turpentine. Let it dry in a breeze for 48 hours.
On the California and Oregon coasts you see a lot of totally untreated cedar in buildings. But if you live where it freezes, you have to treat cedar, or the expansion and contraction begins to destroy the integrity of the wood’s cellular structure.
HotFlash @ 81
Mostly Southeastern US. Worked some in Mexico but that was a while ago. Yeah, it is appalling what’s going on in Iraq. So little planning. In WWII, there was a lot of planning for how to handle cultural resources. In Iraq, not so much.
BobbyG @ 43
Spot on. They are in panic mode. Thanks Bobby.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 78
Heat is released as the oil ‘dries’ — actually, it oxidises, which is what ‘burning’ is a form of. If heat from oxidation is trapped, as in a pile of oily rags or a trash barrel, it may reach the kindling temperature, (for paper that is the famous Fahrenheit 451), ie ‘bursts into flame’. We’ve done it twice here, fortunately Mr Hotflash is the bionic nose! :)
Solution 1: immerse oil rags in water — what is recommended on the linseed oil bottle. It is safe but very messy, and then you have contaminated water to dispose of.
Solution 2: hang rags up to dry outside, so that the heat can dissipate. Oily paper towel I spread in a single layer on racks on the picnic table. Thoroughly dried rags and paper towels can be safely disposed of through normal channels and won’t catch fire in the garbage truck or at the dump, either.
BTW, cloth soaked in linseed oil and dried is waterproof, in fact it is ‘oilcloth’ — old Girl Scouts will remember buying it by the yard at Kresge’s to make ’situpons’.
I second ET’s formulation. I’ve used something more or less similar to that, and it seems pretty durable.
I also agree with Kemo. They are desperate to CYA before the power tranfer after the Dems take back Congress. I bet somewhere they are getting ready to throw a bunch of stuff in the shredder.
I bet the presidential transition will be a degree of nastiness we’ve never seen before, too. I don’t see these guys being particularly helpful to President-elect Feingold’s transition team.
kemo @ 89
Yeah, but the timing of Bush’s move has Karl Rove writ large all over it too. Try to bludgeon their way to what they want by boxing the Dems in right close to the election. The timing of the very public announcement of moving the 14 “high-level terrists” to Gitmo was utterly obvious. We’ll see if it works.
He’s right to be sweating the Hague, the prick.
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I just saw this Christy – thanks for fixing my typos and making it more coherent. And my jaw is dropping over the WaPo editorial.
Hi ET, my husband and I build ‘em, he is the player in the family. And I’m no musicologist, either. Not too keen on Bach, etc, anyway, heard me a *ton*& of that stuff. Ralph K, well… I have little use for editors, give me facsimile scores. I like wood a lot, though.
google harpsichord Toronto and we’ll come up. Gotta run, we’re taking an h’chord in to Cdn Opera Co, rehearsals start tomorrow for Cosi Fan Tutti.
Prairie, wonder why the woodies are attacking cedar? Bug in it? Nesting? Our cats love to sharpen their claws on it (but they only like raw, they ignore oiled). Maybe they just gotta peck holes in things.
Totally agree re cedar in freezy climates, ET. We used a version of your pinetar cocktail on the composter, but when it finally rotted away after abt 20 years we switched to a (recycled) plastic one.
cleter @
80
You know, watching this president is like living with an abusive husband – you keep thinking this is the worst thing he is capable of doing, but then there is always a surprise.
Je joue du kazoo equals play a musical instrument.
Je joue au kazoo equals play a game called kazoo.
From Froomkin:
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The New York Times editorial board writes: “Watching the president on Friday in the Rose Garden as he threatened to quit interrogating terrorists if Congress did not approve his detainee bill, we were struck by how often he acts as though there were not two sides to a debate. We have lost count of the number of times he has said Americans have to choose between protecting the nation precisely the way he wants, and not protecting it at all.
“On Friday, President Bush posed a choice between ignoring the law on wiretaps, and simply not keeping tabs on terrorists. Then he said the United States could rewrite the Geneva Conventions, or just stop questioning terrorists. To some degree, he is following a script for the elections: terrify Americans into voting Republican. But behind that seems to be a deeply seated conviction that under his leadership, America is right and does not need the discipline of rules. He does not seem to understand that the rules are what makes this nation as good as it can be.”
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it’s always amazing to me the things i am able to learn here about many different areas of knowledge but especially about the law and the constitution and government. but to go with that knowledge i experienced something saturday night reading pach’s excellent and timely post about artist’s.
cameronga, who is canadian, linked a song by leonard cohen, a video of “i’ve seen the future and it’s murder”. it’s difficult to watch the video because it shows photos from abu graib, among others. yet it is important for us to watch this video, see the images and hear the song. it has a powerful, visceral effect that brings home what we are fighting the Cheney Administration over. it is a strong welding of truth, images, music and words. everyone, at least every american adult should have this experience.
the comment numbers are #22 and #43. you don’t need to watch #43 unless you want to understand how different the experience of the song is in another visual context. the latter is a live concert performance without the relevant political images. in this latter version the experience is simply enjoyable. in the video at #22 i was stirred. i had an epiphany, a realization and much deeper understanding of how important it is for us to bring about a change in the power structure of America.
simply from an artistic perspective i had to remind myself that the song had been written many years before Fuckwad had moved into the white house. Leonard Cohen had really seen the future and it is murder.
BobbyG:
Yeah, he got that from his wingnut version of Christianity, ie the idea that God gives us “free will” and it turns out that free will means we can either “accept Jesus as our personal savior and pray for forgiveness of our sins or, we can go to hell. free will? not much wiggle room there…
BobbyG @
43
First of all, thanks for the scholarship and the rage!
So, here is some bad news. Jack Balkin has a link to the final form of the Warner-McCain-Graham Bill: http://balkin.blogspot.com/200…..raham.html
It’s not significantly better than Bush’s bill. Specifically, it guts the War Crimse Act of 1996 (starting on page 76) and retroactively indemnifies Bush and his “young professionals” (page 82).
Christy,
Re oily rag disposal: since combustion requires oxygen gas to proceed, any means that effectiveley isolated the rags from air (20% oxygen) would prevent aerobic combustion, e.g., sealing them in an old paint can or glass jar.
Re Bush’s lack of clarity re torture. Perhaps some straighforward scientific experiments would help here, Mr. President. Would you and your family and staff like to volunteer? You know, walk the talk? Just let your “professionals” try a few things and let us know when it starts to feel cruel, inhuman or degrading or shocks your conscience. Thanks.
I am freaking out over the “compromise” bill by the so-called rebels, McCain et al. How can we push back on Democrats with the same urgency: no compromise on the Geneva Conventions! This is definitely kabuki and I fear the Rove/W “ram it through now” is working.
To orangejumpsuit@20
Thank you for fixing my link. As you probably guessed, I am only barely computer literate and need instructions cookbook style like
1. turn on computer
2. wait for main sccreen to come up
Deep appreciation for your help.
After further thought, I believe I know what BushCo has planned for 2007.
Several points:
1) BushCo gaining control (if possible) of all of our nation’s military forces, including state national guard units, cutting out the middlemen and women, our nation’s state governors. ALL Republican and Democratic governors have signed a letter demanding that the House remove this provision from a bill being considered.
2) Building $385 million worth of prisons around the country, for immigration and “other purposes,” purposes to be determined by BushCo.
3) Air Force Secretary Wynne stated the other day that crowd control tactics using non-lethal weapons should be used first to control crowds in the United States before being used on unruly crowds overseas. Wonderful. U.S. citizens being used as guinea pigs again.
4) BushCo seems hell-bent for leather to bomb suspected nuclear sites in Iran either later this year or early in 2007.
So, what would happen next year if BushCo gets us into another conflict that costs hundreds of billions of dollars, leads to the death of hundreds of thousands of people and ends up devastating the U.S. economy?
Anti-war protests would surely erupt in U.S. cities, with protestors calling for the heads of all those in BushCo responsible.
Thus, BushCo needs in place certain things in case this all unfolds as I predict. 1) Absolute, imperial presidential control of our nation’s military forces, including our nation’s national guard units. 2) More prison cells run by a company supportive of BushCo. 3) Crowd control weapons to break up any riots in response to what BushCo has done.
Plus, when you add in the expansion of illegal surveillance of U.S. citizens by BushCo, it becomes very clear that 2007 will be a pivotal year in our American democracy.
Come 2008, will America still be a democracy or will we be a right-wing, banana republic dictatorship ruled by Bushco?
Oh, and John Yoo, he’s one of the architects behind this totalitarian, anti-democracy madness, along with all the neo-con nutjobs at PNAC.
Is this “the end of the world as we know it”? Is this to be the end of our beloved democracy?
The Oracle @
104
The Oracle @
104
OMG.. I hope not. And this has been happening right under our noses! FDLers are atleast paying attention. What happens to those poor souls who aren’t? Talk about trauma…
This cannot stand. WE cannot let this happen. Get thee to your local political party and get the democrats in your area to vote. Stand on street corners with signs. Put up signs on your highways and freeways. Sign every bill you spend with “HAD ENOUGH?”. Talk to your neighbors. Talk to your shopkeepers. Write letters. Make phone calls. Refuse to give in.
This is our country.