Comments on: The GOP At War With Itself — Honestly? Or As An Election Maneuver? http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 16 Feb 2012 13:28:26 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: The Moderate Voice http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-301468 The Moderate Voice Tue, 19 Sep 2006 16:47:21 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-301468 <p><strong>John Yoo is a dangerous idiot</strong></p> <p>(Originally posted at The Reaction.)</p> <p>I wrote about Yoo’s un-American constitutionalism — his championing of the executive branch over the …</p> John Yoo is a dangerous idiot

(Originally posted at The Reaction.)

I wrote about Yoo’s un-American constitutionalism — his championing of the executive branch over the …

]]> By: Good Nonsense http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-299549 Good Nonsense Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:06:01 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-299549 <p><strong>Monday Morning Blogroll!</strong></p> <p>Alright, we’re going to try something new here…instead of Sunday Blogrolling, we’re going to try Monday Morning Blogrolling…sorry, Sundays. You just weren’t cutting it. Oh, and my apologies to our legion of readers (6 readers = legion, right?) f…</p> Monday Morning Blogroll!

Alright, we’re going to try something new here…instead of Sunday Blogrolling, we’re going to try Monday Morning Blogrolling…sorry, Sundays. You just weren’t cutting it. Oh, and my apologies to our legion of readers (6 readers = legion, right?) f…

]]> By: Miss Penny http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-299508 Miss Penny Mon, 18 Sep 2006 07:50:29 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-299508 <p><a href="#comment-298451"><em>LindaR @<br /> 66 </em></a></p> <blockquote><p><a href="#comment-298436"><em>Christy Hardin Smith @ 53</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>Updated above — <a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/09/16/conservatives-revolting-against-the-republican-controlled-congress/">C&L has a clip</a> of Scarborough from Saturday explaing why he thinks conservatives are revolting.</p></blockquote> <p>In this sentence, is <i> revolting</i> a verb or an adjective?</p></blockquote> <p>Yes.</p> LindaR @
66

Christy Hardin Smith @ 53

Updated above — C&L has a clip of Scarborough from Saturday explaing why he thinks conservatives are revolting.

In this sentence, is revolting a verb or an adjective?

Yes.

]]> By: Boudica http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-299105 Boudica Mon, 18 Sep 2006 01:47:09 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-299105 <p>Christy, your assessment is dead on. These rubber stamps deserve nothing so much as expulsion from Congress. They have criminally failed to carry out their constitutional duties of checks and balances. They have put party before country. They have feasted upon pork, while the nation is starved of the programs that protect its citizens. Can anyone think of a worse bunch of unconscionable morons? Shall we believe that now in the eleventh hour they have had an epiphany? Does Joe really think that bullshit still talks and nobody walks? If that’s what they believe, they are stupider than we are. Scarborough seems to think it’s ok that these people protected a President and his pretext for war because their political lives were at risk. How does someone sleep at night knowing they are sending young men and women to fight and die for an unjust cause? How do they atone for all the deaths of Iraquis? Is it really so simple as declaring that the time is right to repudiate all that went before? No. Many of them should consider themselves lucky to just leave with no legal jeopardy. For surely they have behaved with great malice for their own gain. Joe Scarborough thinks it’s just a little matter of politics. Now they see advantage in repudiating the President. It’s such a Republican myopic way of viewing things. Surely the public wants to partner with these people as they seek their personal advantage. NOT!</p> Christy, your assessment is dead on. These rubber stamps deserve nothing so much as expulsion from Congress. They have criminally failed to carry out their constitutional duties of checks and balances. They have put party before country. They have feasted upon pork, while the nation is starved of the programs that protect its citizens. Can anyone think of a worse bunch of unconscionable morons? Shall we believe that now in the eleventh hour they have had an epiphany? Does Joe really think that bullshit still talks and nobody walks? If that’s what they believe, they are stupider than we are. Scarborough seems to think it’s ok that these people protected a President and his pretext for war because their political lives were at risk. How does someone sleep at night knowing they are sending young men and women to fight and die for an unjust cause? How do they atone for all the deaths of Iraquis? Is it really so simple as declaring that the time is right to repudiate all that went before? No. Many of them should consider themselves lucky to just leave with no legal jeopardy. For surely they have behaved with great malice for their own gain. Joe Scarborough thinks it’s just a little matter of politics. Now they see advantage in repudiating the President. It’s such a Republican myopic way of viewing things. Surely the public wants to partner with these people as they seek their personal advantage. NOT!

]]> By: cannablog http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-298973 cannablog Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:54:41 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-298973 <p><strong>Neocons for Pelosi</strong></p> <p>It’s a slow night. Not much new to read on the blogs I usually visit, so I poked my head over the fence to see what might be going on over at the Volokh Conspiracy. The writers there are all male lawyers and law professors, neoconservative Republ…</p> Neocons for Pelosi

It’s a slow night. Not much new to read on the blogs I usually visit, so I poked my head over the fence to see what might be going on over at the Volokh Conspiracy. The writers there are all male lawyers and law professors, neoconservative Republ…

]]> By: Bribes http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-298891 Bribes Sun, 17 Sep 2006 22:49:25 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-298891 <p>Regarding the title of this post, it occurs to me that it doesn’t matter what’s actually going on in Republican circles. It doesn’t matter what Rove planned or did not plan. It doesn’t matter if this is to allow Republicans to run against the president or if it is supposed to be used as a cudgel against Democrats. <i>It doesn’t matter.</i></p> <p>What <i>does</i> matter is that Democrats and liberals paint it as weakness, as an indication that Bush is wrong, wrong, wrong, and an indication that the Republicans can’t stop Bush, and an indication that the country is getting weaker and weaker the longer Republicans control Congress or any branch of the government. What matters is liberals and Democrats taking this and convincing the public of their own theories.</p> <p>The theories don’t need to be true. The perspectives don’t even have to be consistent. As long as the current Republican tussle is viewed negatively for Republicans, it doesn’t matter what the truth is or what exactly people believe. It doesn’t matter as long as we take the narrative and make it serve us.</p> <p>This is “creating reality.”</p> <p>To that effect, this post is great. It argues on one hand that if this is crass political manuevering, then they are Rubber-Stamp Republicans. On the other hand, if this is real, then the Republican Party has no principles, not even the “mavericks” or the supposedly principled ones. And if Republicans do unite, then this means that the Republicans are political opportunists bent on destroying the freedoms of America for their own corrupt, power-hungry ends.</p> <p>Compare this to the other perspective that could argue that this is a “brilliant” political tactic to put Democrats on the defensive and that principled Republicans are not rubber stamps. HAH! It’s only true if they convince the majority of Americans of its truth.</p> <p>I just wish the people in power would realize this.</p> Regarding the title of this post, it occurs to me that it doesn’t matter what’s actually going on in Republican circles. It doesn’t matter what Rove planned or did not plan. It doesn’t matter if this is to allow Republicans to run against the president or if it is supposed to be used as a cudgel against Democrats. It doesn’t matter.

What does matter is that Democrats and liberals paint it as weakness, as an indication that Bush is wrong, wrong, wrong, and an indication that the Republicans can’t stop Bush, and an indication that the country is getting weaker and weaker the longer Republicans control Congress or any branch of the government. What matters is liberals and Democrats taking this and convincing the public of their own theories.

The theories don’t need to be true. The perspectives don’t even have to be consistent. As long as the current Republican tussle is viewed negatively for Republicans, it doesn’t matter what the truth is or what exactly people believe. It doesn’t matter as long as we take the narrative and make it serve us.

This is “creating reality.”

To that effect, this post is great. It argues on one hand that if this is crass political manuevering, then they are Rubber-Stamp Republicans. On the other hand, if this is real, then the Republican Party has no principles, not even the “mavericks” or the supposedly principled ones. And if Republicans do unite, then this means that the Republicans are political opportunists bent on destroying the freedoms of America for their own corrupt, power-hungry ends.

Compare this to the other perspective that could argue that this is a “brilliant” political tactic to put Democrats on the defensive and that principled Republicans are not rubber stamps. HAH! It’s only true if they convince the majority of Americans of its truth.

I just wish the people in power would realize this.

]]> By: ccmask http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-298716 ccmask Sun, 17 Sep 2006 21:01:41 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-298716 <p>PS: Makes a great birthday or Christmas gift! Who could ask for more? Adopt a Republican Ballot!</p> PS: Makes a great birthday or Christmas gift! Who could ask for more? Adopt a Republican Ballot!

]]> By: ccmask http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-298711 ccmask Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:59:16 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-298711 <p>Thanks for the cheers everyone. I was thinking today that everyone should know at least 5 Republicans that would let you fill out their ballots. I got two so far (okay, so they were out of pity but there is a damn war on) and I haven’t even asked outside the family yet. Unless the Bush administration will ask if anyone helped you pack that suitcase, I mean, fill out that ballot….</p> Thanks for the cheers everyone. I was thinking today that everyone should know at least 5 Republicans that would let you fill out their ballots. I got two so far (okay, so they were out of pity but there is a damn war on) and I haven’t even asked outside the family yet. Unless the Bush administration will ask if anyone helped you pack that suitcase, I mean, fill out that ballot….

]]> By: Eureka Springs, AR http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-298668 Eureka Springs, AR Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:16:04 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-298668 <p><a href="#comment-298629"><em>ccmask @ 217</em></a></p> <blockquote><p>When I came out of surgery Tuesday, I asked my Republican mom if I could fill out her absentee ballot for her and she said yes.</p></blockquote> <p>Oh, I hope you are feeling better. Must say I got a nice chuckle out of that.</p> ccmask @ 217

When I came out of surgery Tuesday, I asked my Republican mom if I could fill out her absentee ballot for her and she said yes.

Oh, I hope you are feeling better. Must say I got a nice chuckle out of that.

]]> By: lotus http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-298667 lotus Sun, 17 Sep 2006 20:15:59 +0000 http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/09/17/the-gop-at-war-with-itself-honestly-or-as-an-election-maneuver/#comment-298667 <p>Whatever you wanna call it, Hopie, I’m gawddam glad <b>it’s OVAH!</b></p> <p>Howya doon on that pitcher o’ Bloodies, cha? Need you a refill?</p> Whatever you wanna call it, Hopie, I’m gawddam glad it’s OVAH!

Howya doon on that pitcher o’ Bloodies, cha? Need you a refill?

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