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		<title>By: CJ</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/16/pull-up-a-chair-14/#comment-298636</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 19:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But all of this misses the larger picture:  liberal bloggers were invited to meet with the former President of the United States to talk about policy initiatives and the Democratic party and politics going into the November elections.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What does that mean?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Call me a cynic (you wouldn’t be in error) but I believe all this means is that the &lt;em&gt;big dog&lt;/em&gt; has a wife who wants to be the Democratic nominee in 2008 and you (popular liberal bloggers) are a means to that end  … nothing more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the interest of full disclosure, I have to admit that I never voted for Clinton. However, I did so knowing that I lived in a state where those electoral votes were safely in his column both elections (also, I did not vote for either Bush or Dole but rather wrote in Jimmy Carter both times in protest - I gave him Pat Schroeder of Colorado for a running mate in ‘96).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will also admit that his presidential performance (Lewinsky issues aside) was better than I anticipated.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But all of this misses the larger picture:  liberal bloggers were invited to meet with the former President of the United States to talk about policy initiatives and the Democratic party and politics going into the November elections.  </p>
<p>What does that mean?</p>
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<p>Call me a cynic (you wouldn’t be in error) but I believe all this means is that the <em>big dog</em> has a wife who wants to be the Democratic nominee in 2008 and you (popular liberal bloggers) are a means to that end  … nothing more.</p>
<p>In the interest of full disclosure, I have to admit that I never voted for Clinton. However, I did so knowing that I lived in a state where those electoral votes were safely in his column both elections (also, I did not vote for either Bush or Dole but rather wrote in Jimmy Carter both times in protest &#8211; I gave him Pat Schroeder of Colorado for a running mate in ‘96).</p>
<p>I will also admit that his presidential performance (Lewinsky issues aside) was better than I anticipated.</p>
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		<title>By: The Mahablog &#187; My Cause Is My Country</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/16/pull-up-a-chair-14/#comment-298536</link>
		<dc:creator>The Mahablog &#187; My Cause Is My Country</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Sep 2006 17:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] Christy Hardin Smith says that she checked with Peter Daou, who told her some African American and Latino bloggers were invited but could not come on such short notice. The meeting was thrown together quickly. I had known for about a week that a meeting was being planned, but didn’t know for sure if it was really going to happen (and where, and when) until the day before. I suspect a lot of people had to make a mad dash for the nearest airport to be there, although for me a trip to Harlem takes about 17 minutes on the Metro North Railroad. […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] Christy Hardin Smith says that she checked with Peter Daou, who told her some African American and Latino bloggers were invited but could not come on such short notice. The meeting was thrown together quickly. I had known for about a week that a meeting was being planned, but didn’t know for sure if it was really going to happen (and where, and when) until the day before. I suspect a lot of people had to make a mad dash for the nearest airport to be there, although for me a trip to Harlem takes about 17 minutes on the Metro North Railroad. […]</p>
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		<title>By: Feministe &#187; Know Your Place</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/16/pull-up-a-chair-14/#comment-297486</link>
		<dc:creator>Feministe &#187; Know Your Place</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[…] But we only know all this because Liza demanded to know why there weren’t any POC bloggers at that lunch. We only know this because Peter Daou responded to her post and her email. She didn’t know this when she put up her post. Should she have done more to find out answers before asking the questions? Maybe, but that assumes that Liza’s primary function is as a journalist rather than as an activist and a blogger and a human being. She did a post off the cuff asking for answers. That she received some answers doesn’t make her questions invalid. (I will also note that one of her questions (and Terrence’s) — why it is that none of the bloggers who attended the lunch meeting mentioned the absence of people of color at a meeting in Harlem? — still hasn’t been answered (though Jessica, whose initial post was done in transit, will get to it once Boobiegate blows over).) […]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] But we only know all this because Liza demanded to know why there weren’t any POC bloggers at that lunch. We only know this because Peter Daou responded to her post and her email. She didn’t know this when she put up her post. Should she have done more to find out answers before asking the questions? Maybe, but that assumes that Liza’s primary function is as a journalist rather than as an activist and a blogger and a human being. She did a post off the cuff asking for answers. That she received some answers doesn’t make her questions invalid. (I will also note that one of her questions (and Terrence’s) — why it is that none of the bloggers who attended the lunch meeting mentioned the absence of people of color at a meeting in Harlem? — still hasn’t been answered (though Jessica, whose initial post was done in transit, will get to it once Boobiegate blows over).) […]</p>
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		<title>By: surfer</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/16/pull-up-a-chair-14/#comment-297452</link>
		<dc:creator>surfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 22:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-296923&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;karen allen @&lt;br /&gt;
                137              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;If he was alive today, he would most certainly be a blogger!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you Karen Allen, my thoughts exactly!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not only would Thomas Jefferson be a blogger, but I think it is safe to say he would have been most enthusiastic about blogging!  I think I remember reading that he invented his copy machine because mail took so long to be delivered, and he wanted to remember what he said in his own letter when he received a response.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can just imagine his delight at having an  device that provided him with virtually instant communictation!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How he found the time to do everything he did never ceases to amaze me.  Reminds me of some folks here at FDL, come to think of it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-296923"><em>karen allen @<br />
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<p>If he was alive today, he would most certainly be a blogger!</p>
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<p>Thank you Karen Allen, my thoughts exactly!</p>
<p>Not only would Thomas Jefferson be a blogger, but I think it is safe to say he would have been most enthusiastic about blogging!  I think I remember reading that he invented his copy machine because mail took so long to be delivered, and he wanted to remember what he said in his own letter when he received a response.</p>
<p>I can just imagine his delight at having an  device that provided him with virtually instant communictation!</p>
<p>How he found the time to do everything he did never ceases to amaze me.  Reminds me of some folks here at FDL, come to think of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/16/pull-up-a-chair-14/#comment-297432</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joe Buck — you got a problem with Clinton’s first meeting with bloggers?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;TAKE IT UP WITH CLINTON.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Buck — you got a problem with Clinton’s first meeting with bloggers?</p>
<p>TAKE IT UP WITH CLINTON.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Buck</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/16/pull-up-a-chair-14/#comment-297417</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 21:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To the proprieters: you run a great blog, but please stop denying that there was a problem: there were no African-American or Latino bloggers at the meeting.  The fact that Peter Daou invited some, who declined, doesn’t change the fact (after all, he could have kept inviting more if it were considered important to have minority representation), so it’s wrong to accuse anyone of not doing fact-checking.  Mr. Daou works for Hillary now; calling him and asking him for a comment is to ask him for his &lt;i&gt;spin&lt;/i&gt;.  The only relevant fact is the number of people who showed up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let’s face it, we frequently point out the lack of diversity of the Republicans, and probably wouldn’t hestitate to point out, in a picture of George Bush meeting an all-white bunch of bloggers, how white and exclusive the Republicans are.  Had a right-wing blogger said that we should have called up Rove or Tony Snow and had him set us straight, we would have laughed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To avoid this kind of thing in the future, the next big publicized sit-down must not look this way, and I suggest to you and the other big-name progressive bloggers, for your own reputations, that you just tell Bill that if he and Hillary put together another all-white blogger gathering, in &lt;i&gt;Harlem&lt;/i&gt; at that, that you won’t come.  If it’s two or three bloggers it’s OK, but twenty white people?  Come on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh yes, I know, there were some gay people, and that’s great.  But the party has a real problem; it just assumes that it can count on minorities voting Democratic even though they are not given a seat at the table.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, I understand that many bloggers objected to the off-the-record format.  Fine.  Peter Daou, if you are reading this, you could hold two sessions, and tell the bloggers, like Steve Gilliard, who don’t believe in going off-the-record with politicains, that they are welcome to attend the on-the-record portion.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the proprieters: you run a great blog, but please stop denying that there was a problem: there were no African-American or Latino bloggers at the meeting.  The fact that Peter Daou invited some, who declined, doesn’t change the fact (after all, he could have kept inviting more if it were considered important to have minority representation), so it’s wrong to accuse anyone of not doing fact-checking.  Mr. Daou works for Hillary now; calling him and asking him for a comment is to ask him for his <i>spin</i>.  The only relevant fact is the number of people who showed up.</p>
<p>Let’s face it, we frequently point out the lack of diversity of the Republicans, and probably wouldn’t hestitate to point out, in a picture of George Bush meeting an all-white bunch of bloggers, how white and exclusive the Republicans are.  Had a right-wing blogger said that we should have called up Rove or Tony Snow and had him set us straight, we would have laughed.</p>
<p>To avoid this kind of thing in the future, the next big publicized sit-down must not look this way, and I suggest to you and the other big-name progressive bloggers, for your own reputations, that you just tell Bill that if he and Hillary put together another all-white blogger gathering, in <i>Harlem</i> at that, that you won’t come.  If it’s two or three bloggers it’s OK, but twenty white people?  Come on.</p>
<p>Oh yes, I know, there were some gay people, and that’s great.  But the party has a real problem; it just assumes that it can count on minorities voting Democratic even though they are not given a seat at the table.</p>
<p>Also, I understand that many bloggers objected to the off-the-record format.  Fine.  Peter Daou, if you are reading this, you could hold two sessions, and tell the bloggers, like Steve Gilliard, who don’t believe in going off-the-record with politicains, that they are welcome to attend the on-the-record portion.</p>
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		<title>By: Shrink in SF</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/16/pull-up-a-chair-14/#comment-297346</link>
		<dc:creator>Shrink in SF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 20:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-296902&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;The Rude Pundit @&lt;br /&gt;
                119              &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;As a mammary-free practitioner of bloggery who lives in the NYC area and wasn’t invited to visit &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ahhhh I’m happy to see that I’m not the only one heartened by the Rude One in our midst…having RO post on FDL is like a fine cabernet and the best dark chocolate…or a rock opera…or pearls and leather.  It’s the perfect unexpected combination.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-296902"><em>The Rude Pundit @<br />
                119              </em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>As a mammary-free practitioner of bloggery who lives in the NYC area and wasn’t invited to visit </p>
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<p>Ahhhh I’m happy to see that I’m not the only one heartened by the Rude One in our midst…having RO post on FDL is like a fine cabernet and the best dark chocolate…or a rock opera…or pearls and leather.  It’s the perfect unexpected combination.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen M</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/16/pull-up-a-chair-14/#comment-297269</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sheesh! What do we need right-wing bloggers for, when progressive ones do their work for them?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, it’s not that dissimilar to the reaction Peter Daou got when he announced we was going to work for Hilary Clinton. Lots of accusations of selling out, etc., etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Does anyone think that this meeting would have happened (whether or not Clinton reads blogs) if Daou had not been on the scene? He deserves some appreciation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheesh! What do we need right-wing bloggers for, when progressive ones do their work for them?</p>
<p>Of course, it’s not that dissimilar to the reaction Peter Daou got when he announced we was going to work for Hilary Clinton. Lots of accusations of selling out, etc., etc.</p>
<p>Does anyone think that this meeting would have happened (whether or not Clinton reads blogs) if Daou had not been on the scene? He deserves some appreciation.</p>
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		<title>By: lotus</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/16/pull-up-a-chair-14/#comment-297245</link>
		<dc:creator>lotus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 19:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great handle, global yokel — nice beat an’ ya kin &lt;em&gt;swang&lt;/em&gt; to hit!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;;-}&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great handle, global yokel — nice beat an’ ya kin <em>swang</em> to hit!</p>
<p>;-}</p>
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		<title>By: global yokel</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2006/09/16/pull-up-a-chair-14/#comment-297227</link>
		<dc:creator>global yokel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tits and progressive bloggers–  what could possibly be better?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Count me in !&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tits and progressive bloggers–  what could possibly be better?</p>
<p>Count me in !</p>
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