
I don't know about everyone else, but I have quite had it with the kerfuffles that keep threatening to take our eye off the real work going into November.
Contrary to some people's ignorant rantings, women have always had titties, so get over your nasty, smarmy insinuations and get your head out of someone else's lingerie bin. I hadn't spent time with Jessica prior to the meeting on Tuesday, but she seems quite nice and was very sharp and doesn't deserve a bunch of faux jealous whining because she happens to have boobs. Here's a news flash: every woman has boobs. (Some men do as well, but that's a whole 'nother post.) They come in all sizes. Some women use them as props (Katherine Harris, Pamela Anderson, etc.), some women just have good posture. But no woman should have to hunch over and be ashamed of her boobs because some other woman is perpetually walking around in claws out mode, hoping for an opportunity to use them -- especially when we are all well past the eighth grade. That's not feminism, it's jealousy.
And all the griping about who was what color at the Clinton meeting earlier this week...well, it was done without anyone first checking with Peter Daou or anyone else on the Clinton staff. Had such checking been done (you know, reporting...how quaint), inquiries would have revealed that a much larger number of folks had been invited -- including a number of African-American, latino, and so on and so forth bloggers -- but that they couldn't make it due to the quick nature of this first meeting being arranged.
Yes, you read that correctly.
I've actually corresponded with Peter on this issue -- I thought checking with someone who might actually know what DID happen would be prudent before spouting my mouth off -- and it is my understanding that they hope to do a few more meetings with more bloggers in the future. (Because, unlike some Presidents who are insular and like a sycophantic echo chamber, Bill Clinton likes to discuss issues from a number of perspectives. So all this premature whining was just that -- premature.)
I also know how quickly the meeting was put together, because it was an enormous scramble for me and my family to get me there -- making arrangements for our 3 year old, Mr. ReddHedd rearranging his schedule, etc. -- but we did it because it was important to me, and I felt would be important for FDL and our readers. But it is completely understandable that everyone could not turn their schedule around on a dime -- and anyone who has spent time working or raising a family in their lifetime ought to know that.
But all of this misses the larger picture: liberal bloggers were invited to meet with the former President of the United States to talk about policy initiatives and the Democratic party and politics going into the November elections.
What does that mean? I'll let a snippet from a Guardian article speak to that:
Ever since blogs took off in America three or four years ago, the running has been made by writers and editors from the right such as Andrew Sullivan, Michelle Malkin and Glenn Reynolds, the law professor behind InstaPundit. Liberal sites were confined to the role of second cousins.So the Clinton meeting was a much-needed pat on the back. Bill Scher, who edits the Liberal Oasis blog, thinks they are now emerging as real forces. "Right-wing blogs have been very good and very fast at putting out misinformation. What we are now learning to do is to be better than that - to put out good information faster than they do and accurately so that it cannot be rebutted."...
Now they have moved a step beyond that. "We are no longer dismissed as just ATMs for the Democrats - now people have to listen to what we say."
And THAT rising tide raises ALL the liberal blogger boats -- and those of our readers as well -- and not just the ones that happened to be in the room at this first meeting.
In the larger scheme of things, Democratic messaging has been a sort of leaky life raft the last few years -- sometimes it floats okay, sometimes you spend all your time bailing. Liberal blogs have become an effective means of messaging -- for the Democratic party, which needs the help getting their message across. And also, and more importantly in my mind, for our readership, who are often folks who have trouble getting the ear of people in power, but often have a lot of incredibly valuable things to say and needs that ought to be addressed. Blogs give all of us an opportunity to say these things and maybe, just maybe, have someone who can do something about them actually listen, by acting as a sort of megaphone for the greater sentiment of our aggregate group of readers.
How about instead of pointing our fingers at each other, we instead turn our energy toward pointing at the GOP? Because, you know, they have really earned it. And with an election coming up in less than two months, our energy ought to be focused on that...and not each other.
So I thought we could use some time this morning to brainstorm about how to more effectively kick the GOP out of power in the House and Senate. And in state and local races nationwide as well. Let's talk about things you've been doing locally to build Democratic party infrastructure (or what hasn't been working). Let's put our considerable brainpower toward something that brings us all together, and lifts us further upward. Pull up a chair...
(Manet's Rising Tide, oil on canvas, 1873, private collection.)
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Segunda!
Good morning, Christy.
Good Morning Christy.
Have another cuppa joe and relax.
The fun has just started today!
frith!
good morning Christy!
(back to mute mode :-)
Hi medaka! long time no see.
Buenas dias, perritos del lago !
Morning all. I need more coffee. I thought the Manet painting was a lovely one for this morning — hope everyone enjoys it.
Good job as always, Christy — though one you really shouldn’t have had to do this morning, alas.
WAY too much going on out there for us to aim at instead of devoting ourselves to internecine firing parties, dammit.
So I’m with you and Manet … just soon’s I find what I did with my thinking-cap yestiddy and get it back on here . . .
Anybody see victoria toensing on c-span this morning?? Same old stuff!! Guess what?? Victoria wasn’t covert and the left has a spiritual sickness and delussions. UGH!!
If Ben Franklin were alive today he would be a blogger, and a mighty fine one I would add. Not Jefferson though, being of a more reserved and contemplative nature, he preferred to be alone with his thoughts.
The old extrovert/introvert thingy.
Ben Franklin would have been a kick-ass blogger.
We have delusssions spelled with a multitude of s’s!!
Hmmmmmmmmmm…
Liberals are the intellects of the politcal spectrum. Constantly weighing each idea against itself and forming a logical and complete thought.
On that note, I find it bizarre that people of the progressive ilk try to eat their young or their mentors by accusing them of unsubstantiated claims.
It was heartwarming and a foward thinking person that organized this meeting.
Peter Dauo.
You know him. Did you think that he would not have all the bases covered. Why we had such a session of flamethrowing is beyond me.
Yes, Liza desrves a little (or big) spanking. A few words from the FDL gods suggesting a little fact checking would have gone a long way.
It is easy to start wars you see. But who really wins, our true enemy, the Right Wing and their party apparatus. We can not give them ammunition to use against us. WE MUST BE UNITED.
I used to say “HAVE YOU HAD ENOUGH?”
Now I say “IT MUST BE A LANDSLIDE”
Christy Hardin Smith @ 8
Beautiful painting. At first I thought it was the American original, Winslow Homer.
I’ve got a spiritual sickness alright, but its origins are Victoria and her ilk.
Re kicking out the GOP: I’m won’t be happy with just winning back the House. I want the Senate too. I’m working to get VA and TN in the “D” column — with money and phone calls and emails.
Just a quick notice - looks like we’ve hit the $20,000 mark on Marcy’s book funding drive.
Good Morning, all… staggering off for coffee… question: who is the lawyer that is on the KO show?
back in a minute…
Good morning, and thanks for this one Christy. Of all the mornings on FDL, Saturdays are my personal favorite.
I could not agree more with your sentiments. And so, just in case the Big Friends of Big Dog are reading this morning, let me say that the Democratic Party needs to be democratic.
Howard Dean has been doing a lot of good things at the national level. But our party, and here I am speaking about our party in the great state of New Mexico, is moribund, and frankly, pathetic.
I honestly do not think the R party is so much better here, as they have about as many problems as we do, it seems. But really, as a party, we should be vetting candidates (yes, I know, not totally democratic, but damn, it might save a few embarrasments, not to mention that we might get better candidates).
We should be building future candidates by supporting young people with potential political fortune.
And for heaven’s sake, we must have ethical and vigorous leadership. I won’t go into the details, but our party is really a mess.
And it should not be thwarting the energies of people who want to be involved, have time and willingness, not to mention the needed skills.
Thanks again, Christy and all the FDL folk. You rock!!
katie Jensen @
9
Katie - please read David Corn’s comments on the Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....29562.html
Good morning Christy, I’ve got the coffee brewing here. So far not much on the activity front. Everything I do has been donations that have been suggested here.
Although there has been some corruption of previously right-wing relatives. After I finished John Dean’s “Conservatives without Conscience” I sent it to my dad (who was appalled that he was agreeing with anyone in the Nixon administration) who then sent it on to the other relatives.
I think it’s a sign of progress that such formerly rabid republicans are completely disgusted with their party.
I missed the K.O. thread yesterday. That is great news! We asked and FDL delivered. Now it’s time we deliver what they ask of us.
CIA Leak Investigation Book by Marcy Wheeler
I know some are waiting for a P.O. box to send a donation. Any word on that Christy?
KO’s lawyer guy… Toobin? is that the guy? last night he said something interesting about dubya’s rush job on the torture legislation - something about (maybe) international organizations bringing charges(?) or action or ??? against Bush… that’s what I thought he said yesterday… but I fell asleep and perhaps I was just dreaming…
haven’t seen one word anywhere on it - so perhaps I imagined it…
oddball at 13 — we had a discussion about Peter having invited a number of folks who couldn’t make it in my first thread yesterday. Knowing Peter as I do (and that he is a Lebanese-American who has a very full understanding of ethnic and racial tensions having lived in Lebanon, for hell’s sakes, during a portion of his lifetime), I went straight to the source and got a forthright answer. I just do not understand why people don’t think to do that first.
Here’s a news flash: every woman has boobs. (Some men do as well, but that’s a whole ‘nother post.)
I’ll bet Karl Rove has boobs.
Reading, and I have to say, participating in last night’s discussion and then going back this morning to read further comments, I was struck by several precedents in the politics of the last ten years. John McCain was defeated in South Carolina with help from a whispering campaign about his daughter’s race. John Kerry was swiftboated on snide remarks about his military service. Those are the two that stand out in my mind.
With the rise in profile of the left blogs that came with meeting with President Clinton, I think I was expecting some sort of attack, and lo and behold, in less than a week, you have not just one, but two attempts to derail the very focused liberal blogs…one attack on a woman’s “true feminism”, the other playing the race card.
It seems to me that one or both could have been motivated by jealousy, yet they both seem to resemble a certain nasty man’s MO and I think it behooves us to stay focused while answering such jibes with truth. There are, after all, enough of us to do both :)
OldCoastie @ 17
Jonathan Turley - teaches at GWU
I’m in earlier than normal today. Extreme cold and rain in northern Utah, so yardwork is out. Working on my 3rd cuppa, and enjoyed the Manet immensely.
I’m extremely disappointed that our one Democratic elected congressman broke with the other house Democrats this week and refused to call for Rumsfeld’s resignation. It is discouraging to live in this reddest of red states. What do I do? I have my blog RedStateBlues, and a small email tree that we use during Utah legislative sessions to try to influence local legislation. Occasional letters to the editor, lots of talking, and never giving up hope altogether.
twolf1 at 21 — to be honest, I haven’t had a chance to even talk with Jane about that lately. She’s been on the road and then we had the meeting to get to, and Fi’s been sick off and on and…well, let’s just say that August and the first part of September have been a blur for me.
I promise to try and get something on it this weekend though — if I can get the time.
lina! Turley! that’s it!! thank you! did you see him on KO last night?
I am headed out later in the morning for some door-to-door in my own precinct. I walked it maybe 25 times in the last month and a half before November 2004, so voters who have not moved know me. I love walking the precinct.
Re: Karl Rove. Huffington had an article the other day about Rove’s gay father. Anyone catch that?
OldCoastie @ 30
I didn’t see it. But Turley is a regular on KO.
Christy
CW says that women are in the blogging minority, so on that front Peter should be praised for including so many women bloggers - and all of the women deserve a very big thank-you.
OC– iirc, Turley did say that there was a potential for up to 30 charges wrt the illegal NSA program and that coupled with the torture junk, dubya could be in for a world of hurt.
(I fervently hope so.)
MEDAKA!
Get yer butt and big ol’ eyes rat over hyeah where I can hug on you, boy! O happy day!!!
((((((MEDAKA))))))
Good Mornin’ Firepups,
Tommy if you’re still here, let me settle my tab from friday Happy Hour. . .and a big fat tip to my fave bartender
AAAH Christy, you’re hitting on something I’ve been dealing with a lot lately -
yeah I know, TMI, but I am 5′ 4″, 110 lbs, with quote big ones unquote. and only recently did it dawn on me that the condescending vibes I’ve received from some otherwise progressive women is due to that - like somehow the IQ goes down as the cup size goes up - whatever !
suffice it to say, my inner smart ass has taken care of that
after seeing similar sentiments in the threads from time to time, have thought this would be the perfect place to have a ‘body image’ thread at some point.
lotus - from downstairs - ‘Southern women who call everybody baby ‘ guilty as charged!
and OMG! Keith @ FDL - I’m with egy - eeeek!
I’ll be sure to bring my best posture*g*
angie @ 33
angie - there was that part, but then - I’m pretty sure - he said something about “international charges”… I thought it was significant, didn’t really understand it and have been surprised that nothing further has been discussed… and what seemed most interesting about the comment was he thought something was coming down really soon… not some far off kinda thing…
there’s a church in L.A. getting investigated by the IRS because they preach peace:
http://www.latimes.com/news/lo.....home-local
There’s been a lot of talk about facism lately. Anyone wanting to know what it looks like, this is it.
OldCoastie @ 36
No transcript available yet ;( Cannot confirm or deny but can only hope.
re boobs: they are considered a commodity where I live (S. Calif.)…… You can pay up to 10K for them. Every third house in my neighborhood contains a plastic surgeon.
angie - where do you find the transcripts? is it on KO’s msnbc site? I’m apparently not seeing those…
WHITEBOOBBLOGGERGATE?
lina @ 38
LOL!
Here OC– Friday shows are not up til Monday, though.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/
Coastie,
An interesting point that was brought up is that this rush to “define” Article 3 is an effort to make previous war crimes retroactively legal, in a CYA attempt to avoid prosecution for violations in international law.
I had to smile when I read that. It reminded me of what my mother said when I started developing: “Don’t be one of those girls who hunches over and tries to hide herself. Keep your back straight and your shoulders squared and be proud of yourself.”
The other thing she said that always stuck with me (she died when I was 13) was a comment she made while watching a news story about a “women’s lib” march. (To preface, I’m the oldest of four sisters.) Mom said: “I don’t like all this bra burning. But you know how your Dad and I always tell you you girls can be anything you want to be? Well, now you really can.”
Snap!!!
OldCoastie @ 23
OC, if your dream made that up, would you mind awfully if I come hang out in it with you? Sure sounds like mighty fine country there . . .
Morning All, I have Boobs, though they hang low these days ha ha, I don’t understand why someone would use race card against Dems, I have many friends of different races, most, if not all love & trust Bill Clinton. JMO
For those who might think the corporate media is hopelessly out of touch, you should know that Katie Couric has started blogging: http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2.....6771.shtml
I was expecting an in-depth look at the burning issues affecting our country and maybe even a little up-close & personal (what is Rush really like?); instead it would appear America’s darling Katie has studied TRex & become a subtle master of parodistic snark. Have they no shame?
lotus - from downstairs - ‘Southern women who call everybody baby ‘ guilty as charged!
Now how did I guess that, cbl?
SMOOCHIES unto you, baby!
OldCoastie @ 39
MSNBC lags about 24 hours or so on them. For a Friday show it’s worse. Look for them sometime Monday.
OT: For those following Bush’s campaign to legalize war crimes, two superb must-read articles got posted this morning:
“Behind the Debate, Controversial CIA Techniques: Interrogation Options Seen as Vital”
By R. Jeffrey Smith, Washington Post Staff Writer (16 September 2006)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01252.html
“Getting with ‘The Program’: Clarity Through Obfuscation”
By Marty Lederman, Balkinization (16 September 2006)
http://balkin.blogspot.com/#115837728275178230
[based on Smith’s article]
Both get at the irony that Bush complains of the vagueness in CA3’s prohibition on “outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment.” But Bush admits that CA3 clearly rules out the CIA’s “alternate techniques,” which according to “CIA’s Harsh Interrogation Techniques Described” by Brian Ross and Richard Esposito, ABC News (18 November 2005) http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Inve.....id=1322866 include:
Therefore Bush would “have to shut the program down”:
Bush now wants flexible context-sensitive standards wherein the legality of a technique depends on how badly the information is needed. Ironically, he sees such flexibility in McCain’s Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, which did not succeed in criminalizing the CIA’s secret prisons or the techniques used therein.
OT: Update from one of the Blue America campaigns . .
Woke up this morning and on the front page of my local paper, it was announced that none other than Dubya himself will be in Stockton California for a fundraiser for Pombo. Wow. Dubya himself.
Cheney was here this spring for fundraiser for Pombo prior to the primary. Stockton California!
I have been walking precincts for weeks for McNerney and will keep doing so until the election, but McNerney is way behind on $$$ and now with Dubya coming . . .
So if any of you haven’t yet sent some love out here to CA-11 via the ActBlue pages . . .
Pam in SC @ 45
The MO is attack a person’s strengths..thereby undermining them.
I think Redd’s point that this is not the time to be in a big fight amongst ourselves is EXACTLY it… we have critical work to do… we are perfectly capable of figuring this out without wrecking each other…
Good Morning! Just spent last night talking with one of our state legislators in CT about the need to organize more young people and bring them into the political sphere. We are talking about organizing groups of people who have invested their time in politics for many years. Having these people go out and drum up support for young people’s Democratic groups.
We no longer have the committment of youth that once blanketed this country in the 60’s, and 70’s. What is different now from then?
For myself, I was born into politics. My mom was an active Democrat; still is. But not everyone cuts their teeth on campaign issues and candidates. You learn early how politics affects your life.
The people in my family have been workers; some even ran for office. One served in the state legislation; the rest in Town government. Some just stuffed envelopes. My own children have stumped for candidates in their districts. And, they ALWAYS vote.
Today, the largest voting group in CT is the Independent Party. Most of them are much younger than I am. They don’t participate unless their backs are to the wall over issues that have gone so wrong that they cannot ignore them anymore. Why?
Speaking of boobs I must be one because honestly I don’t get the whole “if we don’t clarify the law to allow torture then that whole torture program thing won’t move forward”.
Is this some kind of Rovian reverse psychology or are Americans that stupid.
lina - lol
after 3 years in SoCal, my college girl (UCLA) fell under the augmentation sway for a while - but thankfully changed her mind
Pam in SC, gravity (and bad lighting) is not our friend
sjvalleygal - as a former resident, keep hoping Jerry’s campaign will remind the valley folk of how often Pombo has stabbed the ag crowd in the back
Remember all of the generals who were taking aim at the Bush administration a few months ago?
Do you think they have gone away? Or, has their ranks swelled.
The most remarkable thing that Bush said at his Pissy Presser yesterday was that he “hopes other nations would adopt the US’ standards”.
If you were a soldier and you had inside information as to what the new US interrogation “techniques” were and Bush was just on TV telling the world that he was hunky dory with you gettting waterboarded, stripped nude, soaked with water, humiliated, smeared with menstrual juice, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Would that be good on your morale?
Question: What would be worse for your morale, that information or Jack Murtha talking about a redployment?
-GSD
btw, gang, today’s Blue America is a great one — Robert Rodreguez from CA-25. :) Howie will be here to chat with Robert at 2:00 ET/11:00 am PT.
suntzu @
15
i had the very same thought (homer). beautiful light in that painting. homer learned a lot from manet. so did hopper i believe….
What we need is simple, so simple that it’s infuriating that we don’t have it, and we haven’t had it since the ‘92 Clinton campaign.
We need a message. Reduced to a phrase or no more than one sentence, a message that communicates what the Dems are about and what the Repubs have done for the last 6 years.
Any top notch advertising firm could create it. The problem is that our party cannot get its act together, agree on it and say it wherever and whenever they are on TV or radio or interviewed for the print press.
Remember ‘94? The Repub message was Dem corruption and they would clean up the Congress. Remember the contract with America? Well, the Dems came up with one a few months ago. Where is it now?
Our problem is that we have incompetent party leadership that does not know how to win elections. The Repubs know how.
And that is why come November, we will not take the House, and certainly not the Senate.
stomp @ 54
rude pundit has an excellent post on this subject:
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
he says “We’re in the midst of one of the most degrading debates in the history of the nation.”
Christy, there is a bit of disagreement here about what the issue really is. People who were invited, like you, think it’s about inclusion; and people who weren’t invited see it as just the opposite. That’s rather the Democratic Party in a nutshell, isn’t it? Is it to be big-tent or just A-listers? More on my blog…
lina @ 40
And I reckon that any of ‘em who, um, leak outta lina’s neighborhood wind up in Palm Beach living high-wide-&-handsome offa Botox injections (both real and homemade).
lina @
16
toensing. brother. how would she ever figure that out? i thought when you’ve struck the faustian bargain, just fuggedabouddit….
GSD,
just this week, one of the original nine generals; Batiste, came out swinging against the Chimp’s torture moves - can’t seem to find the link this am over at Raw Story
I didn’t see Turley, but from an earlier occassion I think that he is including each 45 day interval that “the program” was renewed as a possible count for the wiretap program.
RE: International (or national, but not this nation) charges - as info has come out, there are certainly grounds. Especially with a situation like the German who was kidnapped and tortured on the basis of “oops” and who our courts have refused to hear. At some point, some court is going to grab jurisdiction and run with it. IMO.
I haven’t followed the kerfuffle, but I gather that Althouse and someone named Liza are upset about a) a lack of representation of ethnic groups and b) that the women bloggers who went had boobs. ? I don’t know Liza’s work, but I have seen the pitiful struggle Althouse has had with the intricacies of both Marbury v. Madison and Motions for Summary Judgment and it could well be that the highest and best use of her talent is to blog about breasts.
Hear hear, LindyH at 26! Yes’m!
Elayne at 61 — look, if they invited every single blogger to every single meeting, it would have to be held at Madison Square Garden. So yes, it is about inclusion, whether people want to argue the point or not — people who weren’t included in the meeting want in, and the people who were at the meeting aren’t saying they shouldn’t be there in the first place and all of the finger pointing in the world doesn’t change the fact that someone is always going to be included and someone is always going to be left out and feeling pissed because they weren’t included. But fighting amongst ourselves over the invitation list — rather than using this moment to build ont he momentum and push forward an even stronger progressive message? That’s just ridiculously short-sighted and plays right into the hands of all the establishment Democratic consultants who are constantly arguing that ALL of us be excluded in the first place.
Thanks for that Lina.
Haven’t made it over to the rude one yet today.
Elayne Riggs @ 61
I don’t mean to be unkind, but I just read your blog post on this subject, and I have no idea what you’re talking about.
(but then, I am in S. Cal. and we’re known more for big boobs than big brains).
Kimster @ 59
i could not disagree more. although part of your comment certainly has elements of truth to it, and we DO have lots of problems, we have an excellent chance of taking the house. i won’t lay money on the senate, sweet as that would be. but even that could happen.
over all, though, losing is a foregone conclusion only if we simply give up as you, apparently have done. can we at least count on your vote?
Redd@65
Not to mention a sure fire way to keep yourself of of many lists…
OldCoastie @
23
Turley last night on KO said Bush is in a hurry to get his way because the Red Cross can examine the prisoners now at Guantanamo and if they have been tortured while in secret prisons things will not go well for Bush
Just a note about grassroots work. When I talk to conservatives and wingers, they are steadfast and sometimes defensive. They are a little concerned with cronyism and corruption in Washington but they see both parties as guilty depending on who is in power. It doesn’t move them to change their views.
What gets them every time is when they are faced with facts about the extent the national debt has increased under Bush and the corrupt companies that benefited.
It’s the money going to the favored and the class warfare that it smells of. Iraq is a concern of course, but it’s the theft of tax dollars that will get them motivated to either stay home in November, or vote the bums out.
I bring this grassroots experience up because it could be a good platform for a strategic national Dem approach.
Elayne at 61 — while we’re at it, “people like you”? WTF is that supposed to mean? I’ve been blogging for less than a year, come from a blue collar family, worked my way through college, graduate school and law school, started my own law firm from scratch, then switched hats to become a prosecutor on principle, spent years of fertility work trying to have my daughter, and have spent a lot of my professional lifetime advocating for the rights of children in at risk families, all the while volunteering in my community.
“People like me” are what, exactly? I started blogging here less than a year ago. Anything I have ever gotten in my lifetime I have earned myself.
o/t
ooohhh lotus,
fyi - used some of the Judge Jackson on some ‘pro torture’ folks yesterday - hoo boy, can you say about face ? I knew ya could
I too haven’t follwed the kerfuffle, but thanks once again Christie for proactively bringing the eyes and ears back to the matters at hand. Of course Clinton would be one of the first to recognize the tremendous think tank offered up by bloggers; receprosity is our friend, eh?
Turley is a conservative. He has been vocal about his opinion that Bush has been breaking the law for quite a while now. He clearly thinks Bush has legal trouble ahead, which is really good news. Bush looks more desperate every day.
Christy — so glad you are back. Good morning.
Wigwam - thank you for the links.
stomp @ 54
Lest we forget - this is exactly what the one trick ponyboy did with the Patriot Act renewal last December.
Feingold has a discreet number of items that the Senate Judiciary committee had pretty unanimously agreed needed to be addressed.
Bush-Cheney-Gonzales screech like preschool girls who’ve had a mouse dropped down the back of theirshirt.
Specter immediately capitulates and goes for renewal without the changes.
Feingold says, nu’uh and actually crafts a few Republicans together and threatens filibuster, but since a recess is coming up says - or we can do a 3month only renewal and work things through.
Bush has meltdown. Threatens that the Sen from Wisconsin is going to cause the whole Patriot Act and everything it has done to make American safe collapse. Rants that he WILL VETO a 3 month extension and then it will be all Feingold’s and the Democrats fault that the country comes apart at the seams.
As I recall, Feingold smiled, said nonsense, and went on.
cbl @ 74
Judge Jackson?
jere - Bush looked frightened yesterday at his “aggressive” presser - that was my impression anyway with all that anger trying to cover up the fear… he really NEEDS his legislation… something’s coming…
for that matter, I think he’s scared all the time and he wants us all to join him… (’course, if I were him, I’d be scared all the time too - being so far in over my head and all)
OldCoastie @
36
TURLY is no BOOB. always great with KO. his point last night re: ‘international charges’ was that the soon to be transferrred to GITMO prisoners that chimpy has been ‘not waterboarding’ will be interviewed by the RED CROSS. Turley suspects that these prisioners will claim to have been tortured ( surprise ) —- one of the most serious of international crimes. so: TURLEY posits, chimpy needs to legalize RETROACTIVELY what they have done to prevent being an ‘official’ international war criminal.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 72
Plus, when you write, I understand what you’re saying.
(Not like reading a George Will column.)
I don’t know Liza’s work, but I have seen the pitiful struggle Althouse has had with the intricacies of both Marbury v. Madison and Motions for Summary Judgment and it could well be that the highest and best use of her talent is to blog about breasts.
Just so.
The primary objective of this voter is to bury right wing, religio, neo-con zealots, corporate greedies and war mongers. Which generally speaking, means defeating Republicans and replacing same with center to left progressive Democrats. Nothing else matters. In this house, constructive discussion of the issues is desired, and indeed essential. Bickering is not.
OC - I thought that about the Lauer interview too - like a fear biter dog. Growls and snarls and lurching with a wild fearfilled eye.
I’ve got to go do outside things, but this afternoon I’m doing LTEs and probablysomething longer than on LTE on the interrogation/commissions legislation.
wonder when the secret prison prisoners are arriving in Gitmo?
Real quick before I go - lotus, celebrating becomes you - you look a year younger than yesterday.
Happy Belated.
Basically what I heard W say yesterday was, “We gotta torcha to keep ‘Mericans safe. If yer not fer torcha, yer for ‘Mericans being attacked. So if ya won’t let us torcha, yer gettin’ attacked. If ya get attacked, it’s yer own fault.”
But I think that bounce from 9-11 is over. Buh bye.
there is something in his eyes, Mary… yup - a dog that fear bites is a good analogy…
I keep thinking that we are so close to things that we don’t pay attention to the long arc of the progressive movement. In so many ways, these times look like the Gilded Age, and the arc it took. I just hope that we don’t have a depression and dust bowl again. At the same time, the speed that the progressive blogosphere has evolved means that change can happen much faster than it used to. In the long view, we need to focus on the milestones of the major elections, but keep our eyes on putting in progressives in every level of government in every state and county in the US. And then, every schoolboard, every local committee, and every media outlet. Can’t be more clear at the moment… more coffee…
ding7777 — The CW to which you refer, that women are a minority in blogging, is old CW. You can find demographics at Pew Internet & American Life site (I can’t pull the right study on this machine, must have a bug with Adobe reader).
kimster — it’s not incompetence as much as it is internecine conflicts between old school Dems and newer grassroots activism that is the root cause of a lack of an umbrella message.
Messages are also much more effective if they are organic; it may not be up to any figurehead leadership, but up to us to develop the message that we need to use to win.
As for specific performance of one leader: I cannot say enough positive things about Dean and the DNC. The 100Actions.com website is wonderful — check it out.
BTW, FirePups, today marks 52 days until the election. Do you know where your democracy is?
Off shortly to go work on developing a database to record canvassing data for our door-to-door efforts. See you out there!
OldCoastie @ 86
14 of them are there. He timed his announcement for right afer they arrived IIRC
Whether there are more? Or some have been disappeared? Or didn’t make it?
Grass is calling -
hmm… prisoners are there? then I wonder when the Red Cross will interview them and make their report… any day now?
shrubya must be in a total panic…
Mary -
Judge Jackson - Chief Allied Prosecutor @ Nuremberg - some great on target comments were posted in the threads this week - slippery slope towards inhumanity, etc.
cbl @ 78
Brava, cbl!
bg @
92
That short attention span and lack of historical knowledge is now working against Bush now htat he has been around for 6 years.
-GSD
Check out the KOS diary that lets air out of the “Rove strategy” theory that this torture blitz is working out to the Torturer in Chiefs advantage.