YAY and YAY and thank you Jane!

GET OUT!!!!!

Fantastic! I’ve been emailing him with support letters lately.

Outstanding!

He’s about to replay his 9/11 speech and Jon Turley was just on rebuking the preznit and I am so excited and thankful.

Keith!

well, if there is a modern day hero, keith is it

I’ll do whatever I can to get here and trade

nicely done firedoglake

Jane, you rock so hard. Now, where to get the book?

KO on FDL . . . Life is Good!

Oh, man.

I’m gonna have to be SUPER snarky as a lead in!

Thanks, Jane.

Hope FDL has the bandwidth because it’s certainly going to get a lot of traffic on November 5th.

YEEHAWWWW!!!!

‘Fuck Ted Baxter…How many divisions does he have?’

;>)

meta @ 6

Jane, you rock so hard. Now, where to get the book?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi…../ref=nosim

Go Keith, Kobe too.

WOW! that is fantastic. I hope he sticks around to answer questions and comment. John Dean’s participation was exceptional though we can’t expect to many authors to do what he did.

Olbermann, Arianna, Dean, Blumenthal! Takes the breath away! Who’s next? Jimmy Carter, Molly Ivins, Helen Thomas? The Extremely Large Dog?

Just got Keith’s book in the mail today – loving it so far!

Holy cow! That is so cool. Thanks Jane!

It doesn’t get much better than this booking, Jane. Fantastic!

Oklahoma kiddo @ 15

Olbermann, Arianna, Dean, Blumenthal! Takes the breath away! Who’s next? Jimmy Carter, Molly Ivins, Helen Thomas? The Extremely Large Dog?

Clifford?

Be still my beating heart

;>)

lmao @ watertiger

This is so kewl. ;~}

Ohgoodygoodygoodygoody!

…almost forgot, I’ll see you Sunday for Arianna. The book is wonderful.

Jane -

Thank you very much for this pleasant surprise!

Jane,

Try to catch PBS’ NOW tonight and you will see your beautiful face in it. It’s about blogs.

Oh, the servers will be off the hook. With Keith and the election, we will be locked up!

meta @
2

GET OUT!!!!!

Double “GET OUT!!!!!”

Current ‘tags’ on his book at Amazon…

firedoglake (5), truth (2), hypocrite (1), liar (1)

Need some help here ; )

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi…../ref=nosim

Olbermann and Now a couple of my top tivo shows.

When the TeeVee poll person asked what I usually watched…. the list was pretty small.
1. CSpan
2. Olbermann
3. Daily Show
4. Colbert Report
5. PBS
Nothing and never Fox either national or local.

Thank you Jane & Christy for giving us the opportunity to meet and chat with such hero’s.

Damn! I just realized that I’ve been asked to participate in the installation service of the minister who just began her ministry at a church I served as interim that afternoon. Service starts at 4. Then I was planning to drive to CT to pitch in for Lamont on the last 2 days (If I can get my current church to let me go for those 2 days, a Big IF).

Gotta figure out how to work this in to the mix.

Holy multi tasker! Rev Deb.

RevDeb @
30

Damn! I just realized that I’ve been asked to participate in the installation service of the minister who just began her ministry at a church I served as interim that afternoon. Service starts at 4. Then I was planning to drive to CT to pitch in for Lamont on the last 2 days (If I can get my current church to let me go for those 2 days, a Big IF).

Gotta figure out how to work this in to the mix.

I’m trying to master the infinite subtelties of the Palm Treo for just such occasions. Unfortunately I mostly just want to throw it against the wall.

EEEEEEEKKK!!!

[teenage girl screaming]

Keith!!!

This format of book reviews is like the best thing going on the web today. It surpasses Oprah’s book club or whatever that was, by a mile. I know I don’t post here much but I do read and I do read this blog everyday.Please keep them coming. I look forward to them like we use to look forward to watching “Leave it to Beaver” or other shows of our youth.

Thanks for not only doing a great job on the political activism front, but also doing a great job with this very professional blog you have going right now.

Eureka Springs, AR @ 31

Holy multi tasker! Rev Deb.

Well, I had a DSL line and installed at that church while I was there. I set up the wireless myself so I may need to run off to the office and use it.

can I go ot please?

I know it’s a book salon thing, but he’s not here yet so I think it’s ok

has anyone noticed that as long as election day grows near gasoline prices go down?

I’m telling you, I notice a drop in prices whenever the president gets in trouble too

really, I think you can track this…president in trouble…prices go down…going smooth for a month or twi, prices go up

no kidding

anyway, prices are WAY down over a couple of weeks ago, why isn’t anyone assiciating this with the elections?

darkblack @ 11

‘Fuck Ted Baxter…How many divisions does he have?’

;>)

DarkBlack, that is so funny. I love how you reworked that quote, just classic.

Don’t know how, but I’m gonna have to pony up the funds for the hardcover copy. Since I’m not a Regressive, I don’t have a ready made slush fund on hand. Maybe FDL could do a contest with the prize being the book? Just teasing. Even though it’s in the heart of football season, I’ll be there. Yes, I as a liberal like football, I can’t spend all my time reading Mao’s Little Red Book by the light of burning American flags, sometimes I have to watch football. :)

GO SEAHAWKS!

Raoul

Twisted Martini picking up from last thread,

Another consequence of torture is that it taints the whole legal process. A lot of the detainees probably can’t receive a fair trial simply because of the extent of governmental malfeasance. How do you try someone that you have held so long without charge and tortured? How does the court distinguish between evidence legally obtained and that which came as a result of torture, especially if there was no meticulous paper trail made, and do you really think these asshats took the time and energy to do that? Me either. I think this is why Bush is so interested in establishing his military commissions/kangaroo courts. Only a thoroughly defanged judicial process can cope with the taint that his policies of torture and suspension of habeas corpus have produced.

Jane,
No way I could go to a Treo. My life is haunted enough as it is by electronic devices. There has to be a limit somewhere!

DO catch NOW if you can, though. I think the capture of you was at the FDL caucus.

me to me @ 36

can I go ot please?

I know it’s a book salon thing, but he’s not here yet so I think it’s ok

has anyone noticed that as long as election day grows near gasoline prices go down?

I’m telling you, I notice a drop in prices whenever the president gets in trouble too

really, I think you can track this…president in trouble…prices go down…going smooth for a month or twi, prices go up

no kidding

anyway, prices are WAY down over a couple of weeks ago, why isn’t anyone assiciating this with the elections?

Price manipulation for political gain? Terror alerts just before an election? Nope, could never happen here.

Keith!!!!

KO now reprising the tour de force from last Monday. TUNE IN NOW.

Thanks for a great comment flatford39.

me to me – Especially considering Ohio and Missouri are the lowest in our land. Highly suspect to some blatent to me.

Just noticed..
Amazon doesn’t have WAIT Don’t Move to Canada listed.

Maybe Bush finally “jawboned” the oil companies into submission Me to Me, c’mon, don’t you believe in miracles. Hell, don’t you believe in AMERICA!

I have to go slice my typing fingers off now as reparation for such drivel. :)

Raoul

Don’t have to tune in, I saved it to my desktop so I can be inspired whenever I want. Nice job Jane.

I heard Keith on the Dan Patrick show today, and he was awfully self deprecating. Dan was giving him shit about saving the world. Somebody’s got to do it!

me to me,

We talk about gas prices all the time, Hugh has a detailed analysis every few days. Interesting how the largest drops in price recently are in states with close elections.

Nah, probably just my imagination.

RevDeb @ 39

DO catch NOW if you can, though. I think the capture of you was at the FDL caucus.

NOW replays at 1:30 am EDT.

Raoul Duke @ 44

Maybe Bush finally “jawboned” the oil companies into submission Me to Me, c’mon, don’t you believe in miracles. Hell, don’t you believe in AMERICA!

I have to go slice my typing fingers off now as reparation for such drivel. :)

Raoul

during the presidential race it was made clear the saudi’s promised to lower prices to help his chances

that reporting sort of stopped it from happening

nobody is reporting it this time but it definately looks like that’s what’s going on

My mom knew nothing about Keith before Monday. I made her watch the comment.

She’s besotted.

“bosotted

/goes to look up;

Make dull or stupid or muddle with drunkenness or infatuation

I think the horse is out of the barn as far as influencing the election is concerned. People are not going back to the Gambinos just because they can save a few quid at the pump.

Keith! Keith!

snoopy dance :) :)

Hey Jane, have you seen “New Clues in the Plame Mystery” by Robert Parry at Truthout.

me to me,

I have been commenting on this for a while. There is always a seasonal downturn in prices. Last year’s was both deep and suspicious post-Katrina. There was no election then. This year’s declines are even steeper and more suspicious than last year’s not because of their size but their rate. This is happening very fast, much faster than can be accounted for in what is admittedly a volatile market. I usually post gas/oil prices during the week. Today’s I believe is in the last thread.

op99 @ 47

RevDeb @ 39

DO catch NOW if you can, though. I think the capture of you was at the FDL caucus.

NOW replays at 1:30 am EDT.

Fortunately it is on several times over the next few days so I logged in to set my TIVO at home to capture it. Living in 2 different places half the week is a challenge. I’ll have to watch it when I get home next week. Being able to set TIVO from my laptop is a blessing!

flatford, please join us.

FYI, NOW airs in SF at 10pm tonight. Thanks, RevDeb.

Going fishing all. Don’t worry, I’m a catch and release type guy, especially considering the polluted lake I live by.

See you all latenight for the snarkosaurus. Peace out.

Raoul

Don’t mean to be a party-poop — but won’t a large part of the FDL community be heavily involved in GOTV activities on that Sunday, particularly with the post on DMTV? Might that be a day for a book salon hiatus, and bring Keith on the next weekend when we’ll all be recovered and back?

Hugh @ 54

me to me,

I have been commenting on this for a while. There is always a seasonal downturn in prices. Last year’s was both deep and suspicious post-Katrina. There was no election then. This year’s declines are even steeper and more suspicious than last year’s not because of their size but their rate. This is happening very fast, much faster than can be accounted for in what is admittedly a volatile market. I usually post gas/oil prices during the week. Today’s I believe is in the last thread.

did last year’s drops have anything to do with bush tapping the strategic reserves? i seem to recall that happening…

meta @ 56

flatford, please join us.

FYI, NOW airs in SF at 10pm tonight. Thanks, RevDeb.

You are very welcome! I saw snippits of it in between watching KO with Turley.

kirby @ 58

Don’t mean to be a party-poop — but won’t a large part of the FDL community be heavily involved in GOTV activities on that Sunday, particularly with the post on DMTV? Might that be a day for a book salon hiatus, and bring Keith on the next weekend when we’ll all be recovered and back?

That sure would make my life easier! I’d second that motion.

watertiger @ 49

My mom knew nothing about Keith before Monday. I made her watch the comment.

She’s besotted.

Oh man, water, you’re so lucky.

Jane,
So the thumbscrews must have did it eh? All I can say is Thank You, Thank You, Thank You. I am looking forward to this date. I will be sure to tune in.

I just finished watching his re-broadcast of the “Hole in the Ground” commentary. And once again I am left with goosebumps on my skin and tears in my eyes. He is a fine, honorable, and patriotic man and I am so glad you all got him to be a part of the FDL Book Salon.

flatford39 @
34

This format of book reviews is like the best thing going on the web today. It surpasses Oprah’s book club or whatever that was, by a mile. I know I don’t post here much but I do read and I do read this blog everyday.Please keep them coming. I look forward to them like we use to look forward to watching “Leave it to Beaver” or other shows of our youth.

Thanks for not only doing a great job on the political activism front, but also doing a great job with this very professional blog you have going right now.

Thanks, flatford39. Please de-lurk more often.

I think Peter Dau’s triangle is starting to come together. Media, pols, blogs talking to one another and working together. Just think what we could accomplish if this became the way we did things normally.

meta @ 62

watertiger @ 49

My mom knew nothing about Keith before Monday. I made her watch the comment.

She’s besotted.

Oh man, water, you’re so lucky.

My mother is exceptionally cool.

A couple nights ago, Barnes and Noble still had some copies, Amazon sent me a notice that they were backordered, so I cancelled and went to B&N. I should have my copy next week. Olbermann rocks so hard it hurts.

We need MORE public figures of courage. But please, if you can tip your hat to Charles Barkley, formerly known as the Round Mound of Rebound,” for this qoute:

“I used to be a Republican until they lost their minds.”

Ol Charles is always good with a quip. ;)

p-rex

Tapping into the strategic reserve was atmospherics. What was interesting was that the oil companies use the argument that no new refineries have been built in this country in decades and that as a result refinery production capacity is always at 90% or more. Katrina knocked out several refineries which remained essentially out of service for months. Gas prices declined anyway not so much because production magically increased (because it couldn’t) but because Congress started talking about opening investigations into price gouging.

ko is the best.

i used to watch olbermann back in his espn days and i always enjoyed his dry wit. i’m really glad to see that he’s now on to more important topics and has a wider audience.

Oh, and Bill O was the worst person again tonight. Something about the clothing he tries to peddle on his web site with a quote about a shirt description including the words ” . . . cut and run . . . “

I got my copy of the book today and I am almost done with it. HA.

p-rex @ 70

ko is the best.

i used to watch olbermann back in his espn days and i always enjoyed his dry wit. i’m really glad to see that he’s now on to more important topics and has a wider audience.

Right ON!
“Deep, and I don’t think it’s playable.”

Hugh @ 69

p-rex

Tapping into the strategic reserve was atmospherics. What was interesting was that the oil companies use the argument that no new refineries have been built in this country in decades and that as a result refinery production capacity is always at 90% or more. Katrina knocked out several refineries which remained essentially out of service for months. Gas prices declined anyway not so much because production magically increased (because it couldn’t) but because Congress started talking about opening investigations into price gouging.

Funny thing, there was an article in today’s Glob about the price of natural gas going down this winter and the utility company offering a “lock in” price if we opt in before Nov. Interesting timing!

Hurrah! Will order as soon as I get back to broadband! Came here tonight to post a thought and then will go back and read comments.

Listening to Bush’s presser this morning until the bile made me gag, I took his hysteria as the madness of King George because his insubordinate CIA was refusing to follow his torture orders so he was trying to get them rewritten. Now, listening to KO [the gold standard of commentators] and Turley, the new, darker motive of CYA for his own selfish, sorry butt emerges.

Which makes resonate even more strongly with me my immediate disdain for his conflation in response to the questioner before Gregory…no, Mr. President, it is not about the honor and decency of the American people [at least not until election day as the mask fully slips away from the mad despot’s face]. And he must be feeling desperation, because Chee-knee and Krewe have successfully put the onus squarely on The Decider. And the fall will be his. And history will harshly judge him.

For this is, at its core soul, about the honor and decency of George W. Bush.

Smallest. President. Ever.

Hugh @ 69

p-rex

Tapping into the strategic reserve was atmospherics. What was interesting was that the oil companies use the argument that no new refineries have been built in this country in decades and that as a result refinery production capacity is always at 90% or more. Katrina knocked out several refineries which remained essentially out of service for months. Gas prices declined anyway not so much because production magically increased (because it couldn’t) but because Congress started talking about opening investigations into price gouging.

thanks, hugh, i seemed to also recall thinking it was a piece of political theatre. funny how the “talking about” didn’t result in actually doing anything.

but i could go on and on and on about that. and i really shouldn’t. ergh, i say. ergh.

hehehehe I love the Book Salon. :)

Now, listening to KO [the gold standard of commentators] and Turley, the new, darker motive of CYA for his own selfish, sorry butt emerges.

that’s what it has always been about, but it is to obtain cover for the entire cabal. This lawlessness occurred from the top down.

Jane promised Keith an exclusive TV interview with the Big Dog — I wonder when Olbermann will realize she means Kobe?

P.S. at 75

For this is, at its core soul, about the honor and decency of George W. Bush.

Somehow the words “honor and decency” just feel totally out of place in the same sentence as George W. Bush.

Yes, his emphatic snarls over the issue would totally make sense if he was mainly trying to cover his own sorry ass. God forbid he should ever be accountable for anything, let alone torture!

Very strange way with words has he; “You’re Looking Beautiful Today, Dave.”

Is history repeating or is this just what democracy sounds like? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCaBCdJWOyM

Harry @ 81

Very strange way with words has he; “You’re Looking Beautiful Today, Dave.”

Yep, that sure seemed odd. Inside joke? You know they are all just pals anyway, right?

Florida Mom @ 72

I got my copy of the book today and I am almost done with it. HA.

Mine shipped yesterday, tomorrow maybe. Whew!

RevDeb @ 83

Harry @ 81

Very strange way with words has he; “You’re Looking Beautiful Today, Dave.”

Yep, that sure seemed odd. Inside joke? You know they are all just pals anyway, right?

are we going to start talking about weenies here?

As I mention elsewhere *cough*dependablerenegade*cough*, would this be classic?

1. Congress doesn’t pass the “Cover My Preznitial Ass By Retroactively Making My War Crimes NOT War Crimes” bill.

2. Republicans lose the House in November.

3. Nancy Pelosi becomes Speaker.

4. Impeachment proceedings and international criminal charges are brought against Bush and Cheney.

5. Nancy Pelosi, as Speaker, becomes President.

(accompanying picture at my joint)

RevDeb @ 74

Hugh @ 69

p-rex

Tapping into the strategic reserve was atmospherics. What was interesting was that the oil companies use the argument that no new refineries have been built in this country in decades and that as a result refinery production capacity is always at 90% or more. Katrina knocked out several refineries which remained essentially out of service for months. Gas prices declined anyway not so much because production magically increased (because it couldn’t) but because Congress started talking about opening investigations into price gouging.

Funny thing, there was an article in today’s Glob about the price of natural gas going down this winter and the utility company offering a “lock in” price if we opt in before Nov. Interesting timing!

well, this is still ot, but it seems to be the unofficial off-topic topic: natural gas was really cheap for years, but it went up sharply about a decade ago(?) — when it did, the utility companies where i lived exercised their own “lock-in” price and continued to charge the high rates after the wholesale natural gas price went down. they wanted to milk it for as long as they could, i guess, and of course they had no competition in the area.

john casper: i think that dry wit was lost on some of the espn viewers. btw, who did he usually do his shows with — was it rich eisen?

woo hoo — KO on the Book Salon! Worth de-lurking for indeed.

Cozumel @
27

Current ‘tags’ on his book at Amazon…

firedoglake (5), truth (2), hypocrite (1), liar (1)

Need some help here ; )

OK, so how do you add tags?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi…../ref=nosim

Hugh @
38

Twisted Martini picking up from last thread,

Another consequence of torture is that it taints the whole legal process. A lot of the detainees probably can’t receive a fair trial simply because of the extent of governmental malfeasance.
…

I think these guys have had the exclusionary rule in their sights for a very long time.

Congratulations on getting Keith, Jane&Christy. Looking forward to it, and to the others in the meantime.

LindyH @ 89

Cozumel @
27

Current ‘tags’ on his book at Amazon…

firedoglake (5), truth (2), hypocrite (1), liar (1)

Need some help here ; )

OK, so how do you add tags?

Go where it says ‘Tag this product’ and follow the steps. It’s right above the reviews.

*ilson,

Are we going to start discussing Weenies? Do you mean the cocktail type or . . . ?

RevDeb #74,

I don’t really follow natural gas prices because I am mostly interested in the international political aspects of energy but I do know that natural gas on the futures market fell below $5/millionBTUs and that that was supposed to be a big deal. Bloomberg’s has an article on it:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..fer=energy

They seem to think that we are in a trough between natural gas used to power electrical generation for air conditioning and its use in winter heating. As a result inventories are currently high. For myself, I think you can flip a coin between whether it’s related to November 7 or the weather.

Wow! I’m a bit late, but wow! FDL Book Salon is just amazing!

Will people forgive me if I ask Keith if he has received the Spotlight emails people have sent thanking him? (Keith’s commentary on 9/11 is the second most Spotlighted topic so far. ABC’s PT911 is no 1)

RevDeb @ 83

Harry @ 81

Very strange way with words has he; “You’re Looking Beautiful Today, Dave.”

Yep, that sure seemed odd. Inside joke? You know they are all just pals anyway, right?

And the look on his face after he made the comment, coupled with his snickering was both bizarre and condescending – just creepy

Did you catch his comment at the end of his rant? Something about it taking Gregory a long time to untangle himself and then a long time questioning his majesty with the same “stupid” question

Also – when Bush refers to good upstanding Americans not being able to “interrogate” terrorists without this bill – is he referring to Blackwater mercenaries?

Dan Patrick…it was the only reason to watch SportsCenter. Those guys were magic together, probably why Dan and Keith were reunited on Dan’s radio show once a week

Wow. The stars shine on FDL. A veritable cavalcade! And now KO. I mean, I ain’t gay or nothin’, but I’d bounce that ass.

Looks like the Bushies have found the political equivalent of New Coke: a week’s worth of dribbling by about Islamofascists, the mockumentary misfire, then finally the exploding cigar of the torture revolt. Clusterfuck presides over the whole thing, crouching, petulant, obstreperous. King Lear for the Springer crowd. The MSM courtiers do their bit and proclaim a bounce in the polls of a point or so, but the reviews are in, and it’s a stinker.

Cue the sarcastic slow-clapping.

Hugh,
So do you think locking in a set price for the winter would be worth it? Obviously it isn’t my line of expertise.

“What the American people have to unnnerstan…”

I will shoot my television the next time the Preznit says that.

p-rex @ 59

Hugh @ 54

me to me,

I have been commenting on this for a while. There is always a seasonal downturn in prices. Last year’s was both deep and suspicious post-Katrina. There was no election then. This year’s declines are even steeper and more suspicious than last year’s not because of their size but their rate. This is happening very fast, much faster than can be accounted for in what is admittedly a volatile market. I usually post gas/oil prices during the week. Today’s I believe is in the last thread.

did last year’s drops have anything to do with bush tapping the strategic reserves? i seem to recall that happening…

I believe he refused but I’m not sure

watertiger @ 99

“What the American people have to unnnerstan…”

I will shoot my television the next time the Preznit says that.

It’s getting worse.

“It’s unacceptable to think that there’s any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.”

watertiger @
99

“What the American people have to unnnerstan…”

I will shoot my television the next time the Preznit says that.

Thank you verruh much!

RevDeb,

I don’t have the expertise to advise you. It comes down, I think, to the question of what they want to lock in compared to what you paid last year. And, of course, a lot depends on how severe the winter is.

*ilson46201 @
84

“Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?” — Juvenal

And all this time I thought you meant- “who’s minding the store?”

You asked for it, you got it: On November 5, two days before the election, Keith Olbermann will be joining us….

I am SO fucking impressed..

I am monstrously happy.

That’s Guy Faulkes Day.

It’s also my birthday.

Mr. Olbermann may have no idea what he is in for, so I’ll just get my inttial stuff out of the way>>>

{{{{{{APPLAUSE}}}}}}}, and much more applause sir.

could someone give me a link on who is responsible for treaties please?

I want to point out that the president doesn’t unilaterally define or disolve treaties

Valley Girl @ 104

*ilson46201 @
84

“Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?” — Juvenal

And all this time I thought you meant- “who’s minding the store?”

Doesn’t it mean something about who’s doing the janitorial work at the store?

Rove’s terror strategy in shambles:

(snip)

“Seven weeks before the November elections, the dispute left Republicans fighting among themselves — rather than with Democrats — about national security issues that have been a winning theme for the GOP in past elections.

Responding to Bush, McCain rejected the president’s assertion that an alternative bill approved by the Senate Armed Services Committee dealing with the trial and interrogation of terror suspects would require the closure of the CIA’s detainee program.

(snip)

Democrats were eager to point out the GOP disarray.

“When conservative military men like John McCain, John Warner, Lindsey Graham and Colin Powell stand up to the president, it shows how wrong and isolated the White House is,” said Sen. Charles Schumer (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y. “These military men are telling the president that in the war on terror you need to be both strong and smart, and it is about time he heeded their admonitions.”

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said, “Instead of picking fights with Colin Powell, John McCain and other military experts, President Bush should change course, do what the American people expect, and finally give them the real security they deserve.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..pr_wh/bush

OT: The Guardian has this up on the meeting with Big Dog – and I’ve come across an interesting little tidbit about the DMCA that might just be a landmine on the Net Neutrality issue -

In short, the DMCA gave telecoms a pass on copyright infringement suits so long as they didn’t make any selection of the content that passed through their service. As long as telecoms are blindly routing requested content to its end destination, they could not be held accountable for that material.

However, the minute they start intelligently discriminating one type of material from another, their situation becomes in doubt. They no longer meet the qualifications of “transitory communications” provider and now have no clear status under the DMCA.

Since there are actual lawyers hanging out here, maybe they’ll take a look and see if the theory holds water?

Prep for KO’s “appearance” at the Salon. Get hold of a copy of Good Night and Good Luck and watch it some time during the week prior to the Salon. It’s a great film and reminds us of how powerful the medium and the messenger can be when done right. KO certainly seems to be growing into the role that Murrow exemplified.

tommy yum @ 97

Wow. The stars shine on FDL. A veritable cavalcade! And now KO. I mean, I ain’t gay or nothin’, but I’d bounce that ass.

Looks like the Bushies have found the political equivalent of New Coke: a week’s worth of dribbling by about Islamofascists, the mockumentary misfire, then finally the exploding cigar of the torture revolt. Clusterfuck presides over the whole thing, crouching, petulant, obstreperous. King Lear for the Springer crowd. The MSM courtiers do their bit and proclaim a bounce in the polls of a point or so, but the reviews are in, and it’s a stinker.

Cue the sarcastic slow-clapping.

Definitely worth a spew alert. My stomach hurts from laughing

Is there any news about a mailbox for donations (as compared to waiting for the ‘donate via plastic’ thing to get fixed so it’s possible to donate again without a Paypal account)? Because I’vee been wanting to donate for emptywheel’s book for a week, and can’t.

Post Katrina Bush said that he would release some oil from the strategic reserve if requested by refiners. I don’t know if any was. Then in April he said he would stop shipments to the reserve for a while to increase oil supplies. The amounts involved were not significant in either case as far as I know.

Cozumel @
101

watertiger @ 99

“What the American people have to unnnerstan…”

I will shoot my television the next time the Preznit says that.

It’s getting worse.

“It’s unacceptable to think that there’s any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.”

Coz, prior thread, you also made exceptional use of “bold” wrt Bob Ney’s deal. According to it, Bob has zilch on everyone in DC, that he can give the Feds for a sentence reduction? In return for NOT cooperating, he’s getting 27 months in prison? That sounds to me like Bill Frist’s family’s attorney, Alice Fisher, now at the DoJ, is doing exactly what Bush wanted her to. Please tell me I’m wrong.

*ilson46201 @ 108

Valley Girl @ 104

*ilson46201 @
84

“Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?” — Juvenal

And all this time I thought you meant- “who’s minding the store?”

Doesn’t it mean something about who’s doing the janitorial work at the store?

Indeed. I looked up the translation, and came up with other possibilities, which I then liberally interpreted. But yours is more liberal than mine. You are more expert than I re: Latin (mine- none zip nada nil) but I do wonder about the verb tense- as in who will do the janitorial work at the store?

me to me @
106

could someone give me a link on who is responsible for treaties please?

I want to point out that the president doesn’t unilaterally define or disolve treaties

He doesn’t? Don’t worry. He will. Or at least he’ll throw a sobbing shirt-wetting snot-dripping foot-stomping tantrum about it, after which he will be firmly led away to his animal crackers and milk. And Valium. And…etc.

Valley Girl @ 104

*ilson46201 @
84

“Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?” — Juvenal

And all this time I thought you meant- “who’s minding the store?”

Sed quis custodiet ipsam tabernam?

watertiger @ 86

As I mention elsewhere *cough*dependablerenegade*cough*, would this be classic?

1. Congress doesn’t pass the “Cover My Preznitial Ass By Retroactively Making My War Crimes NOT War Crimes” bill.

2. Republicans lose the House in November.

3. Nancy Pelosi becomes Speaker.

4. Impeachment proceedings and international criminal charges are brought against Bush and Cheney.

5. Nancy Pelosi, as Speaker, becomes President.

(accompanying picture at my joint)

I’ve been wantin’ some chimp&Cheneypeachment for a long time, watertiger.

I saw these pics at Tbogg, I thought they deserved some notice.

Big Dog at Stewart Monday night (9/18)??

ahh, yes, twisted — dan patrick. another master of the broadcast desk. used to listen to his radio show when i lived in texas.

Harry @ 119

Big Dog at Stewart Monday night (9/18)??

First the Bloggers Conference and now The Daily show? Chelsea must be doing his scheduling nowadays …

ifthethunderdontgetya @ 118

watertiger @ 86

As I mention elsewhere *cough*dependablerenegade*cough*, would this be classic?

1. Congress doesn’t pass the “Cover My Preznitial Ass By Retroactively Making My War Crimes NOT War Crimes” bill.

2. Republicans lose the House in November.

3. Nancy Pelosi becomes Speaker.

4. Impeachment proceedings and international criminal charges are brought against Bush and Cheney.

5. Nancy Pelosi, as Speaker, becomes President.

(accompanying picture at my joint)

I’ve been wantin’ some chimp&Cheneypeachment for a long time, watertiger.

I saw these pics at Tbogg, I thought they deserved some notice.

Tbogg and I were on the same page today.

Cozumel @ 101

watertiger @ 99

“What the American people have to unnnerstan…”

I will shoot my television the next time the Preznit says that.

It’s getting worse.

“It’s unacceptable to think that there’s any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.”

And, exactly how many innocent Iraqi (and Afghani) women and children have been killed by our ill-prepared and trained armed forces in the last few years? (I’ve just finished “Fiasco” by Tom Ricks and I’m furious)

And, JH, if you’re here — do Treos really work?

Patrick is ok on the radio, but a bit of a star-fucker and too full of himself if you ask me. Him and Keith still have the chemistry though.

watertiger @
86

As I mention elsewhere *cough*dependablerenegade*cough*, would this be classic?

1. Congress doesn’t pass the “Cover My Preznitial Ass By Retroactively Making My War Crimes NOT War Crimes” bill.

2. Republicans lose the House in November.

3. Nancy Pelosi becomes Speaker.

4. Impeachment proceedings and international criminal charges are brought against Bush and Cheney.

5. Nancy Pelosi, as Speaker, becomes President.

(accompanying picture at my joint)

This would be justice. I hope the entire administration and Rummy, Myers, Franks et al face charges. It will be a first and important step toward restoring our reputation.

John Casper @ 114

Cozumel @
101

watertiger @ 99

“What the American people have to unnnerstan…”

I will shoot my television the next time the Preznit says that.

It’s getting worse.

“It’s unacceptable to think that there’s any kind of comparison between the behavior of the United States of America and the action of Islamic extremists who kill innocent women and children to achieve an objective.”

Coz, prior thread, you also made exceptional use of “bold” wrt Bob Ney’s deal. According to it, Bob has zilch on everyone in DC, that he can give the Feds for a sentence reduction? In return for NOT cooperating, he’s getting 27 months in prison? That sounds to me like Bill Frist’s family’s attorney, Alice Fisher, now at the DoJ, is doing exactly what Bush wanted her to. Please tell me I’m wrong.

John,

He had nothing to give evidently, just a taker. I suspect the same is true with Ralph Reed

A truth and reconciliation comittee at the very least.

me to me,

It’s the Constitution:

Article VI, Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Margot @ 116

me to me @
106

could someone give me a link on who is responsible for treaties please?

I want to point out that the president doesn’t unilaterally define or disolve treaties

He doesn’t? Don’t worry. He will. Or at least he’ll throw a sobbing shirt-wetting snot-dripping foot-stomping tantrum about it, after which he will be firmly led away to his animal crackers and milk. And Valium. And…etc.

well, according to the constitution, any treaties we enter into are the “supreme law of the land”.

but that question is an open topic apparently. there are arguments for only the president, the president and the senate, or the president and the entire congress, respectively.

i tend to think that if the senate and the president ratify them, then it’s the senate and the president who have to unratify them.

Totally OT, there’s a catfight going on over at Gilliard’s. Meow!

Twisted Martini @ 129

Totally OT, there’s a catfight going on over at Gilliard’s. Meow!

And Althouse has made an ass of herself yet again.

Hugh @ 129

me to me,

It’s the Constitution:

Article VI, Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

nicely done, thanx

Bush says that if you don’t pass this statute allowing torture, I’ll stop the torture program He says that US torturers want to follow the law, so they won’t torture people if it’s against the law. Rove Bush thinks this is supposed to persuade someone, anyone? Well, maybe Howard Fineman. Olbermann asks Howie if the anger is appropriate, and Howie explains that Bush isn’t trying to persuade anyone, except maybe himself.

So, I have a President who thinks this is an argument? Am I in Hell?

dab from CT @ 9

Thanks, Jane.

Hope FDL has the bandwidth because it’s certainly going to get a lot of traffic on November 5th.

My thought exactly! Should we set up a tip jar?? Me, I

me to me @ 131

Hugh @ 129

me to me,

It’s the Constitution:

Article VI, Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

nicely done, thanx

well, i just lost my last post about it, but there’s a good discussion of this topic at the cornell law site…

the President negotiates treaties but the Senate has to ratify (approve) them for them to be legal.

just can’t wait!

Re: He had nothing to give evidently, just a taker. I suspect the same is true with Ralph Reed.

Or put another way, anyone he could deal already flipped (first)! LOL

Steve G smacks her pretty hard as only he can.

IN an earlier thread I asked somebody to say something controversial. Leave it to some pea brained moron like Ann Outhouse to deliver.

good ole Wikipedia on Treaties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaties

OT: FYI rawstory has this link up
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/091506.html
An “unnamed republican source” linking rove/armitage. Has anyone scene an evaluation of this anywhere yet? thanks

Kak @ 124

And, JH, if you’re here — do Treos really work?

Don’t know what Jane thinks about it but I sat next to Amy Goodman in a workshop once and she was tapping away on one. She did have to go plug it in for a recharge at one point. I assume that if she’s using it, it must work somehow.

P J Evans @ 112

Is there any news about a mailbox for donations (as compared to waiting for the ‘donate via plastic’ thing to get fixed so it’s possible to donate again without a Paypal account)? Because I’vee been wanting to donate for emptywheel’s book for a week, and can’t.

There is now a post office box address for Blue America, I don’t have the address. Anyone? Buehler?

*ilson46201 @ 140

good ole Wikipedia on Treaties http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaties

nice

got this;

Amendments
There are three ways an existing treaty can be amended. First, formal amendment requires States parties to the treaty to go through the ratification process all over again.

watertiger @ 131

And Althouse has made an ass of herself yet again.

Why does she hate her body so much?
Why does she hate herself so much?

Althouse gives law professors, scholars, women, and fake-white-middle-class-feminists a bad name.

Gotta mention gas prices here in Ohio….They have dropped more than $1/gallon. Just a few weeks ago, the price went to $3.15 here in central Ohio….and today they are $2.04/gallon!!!

Sickens me that oil corps get away with this crap. F*cking fascism.

splunge @
141

OT: FYI rawstory has this link up
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/091506.html
An “unnamed republican source” linking rove/armitage. Has anyone scene an evaluation of this anywhere yet? thanks

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing it.

Slightly OT — Broder’s on-line conversation at the WaPo here left me with a strong sense of dis-connectedness. First — lots of questions w.r.t. apologizing to Karl Rove over the Plame leaks (at least one firepup made it through). But then Broder just can’t admit that the Prezdent willfully lied to us about Iraq and that, really, Bill Clinton lying about a blow job was the worst. I mean. C’mon. Much as Ken Starr blew threw the $$, it wasn’t $6 billion/month, 2700 American soldiers weren’t killed, more thousands wounded… The logic of his thought-process escapes me — nor do I care for his value judgement. Maybe he’s written his back up against a wall, but somewhere in there shouldn’t there be a mea culpa?

RevDeb @ 142

Don’t know what Jane thinks about it but I sat next to Amy Goodman in a workshop once and she was tapping away on one. She did have to go plug it in for a recharge at one point. I assume that if she’s using it, it must work somehow.

Thanks for the info. I “borrow” a unsecured wireless network while at work to lurk, but I really do need/want to stop. Plus, my current phone probably only has one or two more drops in it before recycling …

You think maybe we can build a list of news events, either covered or not by the MSM, that we could give to KO before he gets here. Then he could pre-answer them in the Salon post that day so everyone could start off well informed of his positions?

Just a thought…

PS: Great snag getting KO at FDL. Well done!

slade @ 146

Gotta mention gas prices here in Ohio….They have dropped more than $1/gallon. Just a few weeks ago, the price went to $3.15 here in central Ohio….and today they are $2.04/gallon!!!

Sickens me that oil corps get away with this crap. F*cking fascism.

And you can bet your bottom dollar that natural gas and heating oil are going through the roof right after November 7.

Kak @
123

And, JH, if you’re here — do Treos really work?

No.

immanentize @
145

watertiger @ 131

And Althouse has made an ass of herself yet again.

Why does she hate her body so much?
Why does she hate herself so much?

Althouse gives law professors, scholars, women, and fake-white-middle-class-feminists a bad name.

I love that it’s the women who take shit for attending the meeting…from other women.

I think Master Rex will have a bit more to say about this tonight.

masaccio @ 133

Bush says that if you don’t pass this statute allowing torture, I’ll stop the torture program He says that US torturers want to follow the law, so they won’t torture people if it’s against the law. Rove Bush thinks this is supposed to persuade someone, anyone? Well, maybe Howard Fineman. Olbermann asks Howie if the anger is appropriate, and Howie explains that Bush isn’t trying to persuade anyone, except maybe himself.

So, I have a President who thinks this is an argument? Am I in Hell?

But didn’t he say “we don’t torture”.

Was that after he said “we tortue, so what’s wrong with that?” or before he said that?

Yep, this must be Hell.

Y’all are getting a little off track on treaties. There are (as you have discovered) two types of treaties — “self-executing” and “executory.” The first type are extremely rare — they are, basically, laws fully formed. A self-executing treaty needs no further action other than ratification to make it part of the law of the country (co-extensive, supposedly, with the constitution itself).

However, most treaties this country has ever entered into — especially the multilateral (more than two signatories) treaties — is the executory type. That means, there must be some congressional legislative action to create the laws necessary to make the treaty a functional legal regimen.

So, BUsh is right that most treaties not only allow, but depend on state signatories to implement legislation in their own law books to effectuate a treaty. This is particularly true of structure treaties like the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which specifically requires each signatory state to enact legislation to make the outlines of the treaty (particularly the security aspects) enforceable within the countries that signed it.

The Geneva Convention has never been legislatively “construed,” but it probably could be. The problem with all this treaty stuff is the reality of American Exceptionalism — which is the concept that this country is legally exceptional. In pursuit of that theory, the US often announces “exceptions” or “reservations” to many details in treaties to which we do not want to be bound. For example in the international treaty regarding the Rights of Children — to which we are a signatory — the United States made a specific exception to the provision banning the death penalty for juveniles.

There were no exception to any of the Geneva Convention provisions. Although what Bush is trying to do is legally supportable, it is wrong wrong wrong in terms of history, the general structure of international multilateral treaties (which Bush and Bolton abhore) and to basic human dignity. It is possible that, even if such a change to the Geneva Conventions was legislated, there are many other treaties (like the International Convention on Torture) which would still be violated by this administrations actions.

Woooo! Keith here! That’s going to be great. I’m expecting the book in my mail box any day now.

joysness @ 154

masaccio @ 133

Bush says that if you don’t pass this statute allowing torture, I’ll stop the torture program He says that US torturers want to follow the law, so they won’t torture people if it’s against the law. Rove Bush thinks this is supposed to persuade someone, anyone? Well, maybe Howard Fineman. Olbermann asks Howie if the anger is appropriate, and Howie explains that Bush isn’t trying to persuade anyone, except maybe himself.

So, I have a President who thinks this is an argument? Am I in Hell?

But didn’t he say “we don’t torture”.

Was that after he said “we tortue, so what’s wrong with that?” or before he said that?

Yep, this must be Hell.

I thought that was bizarre myself

he was threatening to stop the torture program if he couldn’t redifine torture

this was A FRIGGIN THREAT!

I’m TELLING you, if the bill doesn’t pass we’re getting a “surprise” right before the election

I think we’re getting a surprise anyway, but this looked like a threat…no veil either, an outright threat

When John Dean was on FDL Book Salon recently it was one of the happier days I have had for awhile. It felt so inclusive and smart. And I didn’t even issue a comment. I can’t wait for the big K.O. day.

Possible union endorsement for Senate in CT up for grabs.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenat…..n/15121782

Jane Hamsher @ 152

No.

Thx.

me to me @ 157

joysness @ 154

masaccio @ 133

Bush says that if you don’t pass this statute allowing torture, I’ll stop the torture program He says that US torturers want to follow the law, so they won’t torture people if it’s against the law. Rove Bush thinks this is supposed to persuade someone, anyone? Well, maybe Howard Fineman. Olbermann asks Howie if the anger is appropriate, and Howie explains that Bush isn’t trying to persuade anyone, except maybe himself.

So, I have a President who thinks this is an argument? Am I in Hell?

But didn’t he say “we don’t torture”.

Was that after he said “we tortue, so what’s wrong with that?” or before he said that?

Yep, this must be Hell.

I thought that was bizarre myself

he was threatening to stop the torture program if he couldn’t redifine torture

this was A FRIGGIN THREAT!

I’m TELLING you, if the bill doesn’t pass we’re getting a “surprise” right before the election

I think we’re getting a surprise anyway, but this looked like a threat…no veil either, an outright threat

here ya go

watch this, he is threatening us

http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..d-gregory/

he says something like;

let me make this clear, if I can’t do this, this program will not go forward

and he’s ANGRY when he says it too…this is a THREAT

Jane Hamsher @ 153

I love that it’s the women who take shit for attending the meeting…from other women.

I think Master Rex will have a bit more to say about this tonight.

There is so much that is interesting and worthy of discussion regarding your meeting — we had a great chat this morning on the topic….

How the women looked is not one of the interesting things….

I’ve read the Althouse thread and that at Feministing. Althouse seems like a 7th grader not invited to the pool party where all the happy children went. She proves her unworthiness to be there by criticizing the skirts and shoes of the children instead of recognizing her own bitter uselessness.

Althouse is a pill.

watertiger @ 131

I’m particularily keen on that one quote:

I really don’t know why people who care about feminism don’t have any edge against Clinton for the harm he did to the cause of taking sexual harrassment seriously

Yeah, like Kenny ‘Bluenose’ Starr didn’t do his bit to turn that issue into a serial media joke.

Ann Althouse, searching for relevance in a Maidenform cup…If she wants to see a resplendent tit so bad, stroll on in to Glenn Reynolds’ office.

then there’s this pesky little thing he would love to obviate and eviscerate and eradicate:

2441. War crimes

(a) Offense.— Whoever, whether inside or outside the United States, commits a war crime, in any of the circumstances described in subsection (b), shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for life or any term of years, or both, and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the penalty of death.
(b) Circumstances.— The circumstances referred to in subsection (a) are that the person committing such war crime or the victim of such war crime is a member of the Armed Forces of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 101 of the Immigration and Nationality Act).
(c) Definition.— As used in this section the term “war crime” means any conduct—
(1) defined as a grave breach in any of the international conventions signed at Geneva 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the United States is a party;
(2) prohibited by Article 23, 25, 27, or 28 of the Annex to the Hague Convention IV, Respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land, signed 18 October 1907;
(3) which constitutes a violation of common Article 3 of the international conventions signed at Geneva, 12 August 1949, or any protocol to such convention to which the United States is a party and which deals with non-international armed conflict; or
(4) of a person who, in relation to an armed conflict and contrary to the provisions of the Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Mines, Booby-Traps and Other Devices as amended at Geneva on 3 May 1996 (Protocol II as amended on 3 May 1996), when the United States is a party to such Protocol, willfully kills or causes serious injury to civilians.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/us…..-000-.html

me to me @
36

can I go ot please?

I know it’s a book salon thing, but he’s not here yet so I think it’s ok

has anyone noticed that as long as election day grows near gasoline prices go down?

I’m telling you, I notice a drop in prices whenever the president gets in trouble too

Oh yeah. It’s noticed. But you really don’t think Corporate Press is going to mention, right?

This is an email — no link:

Still wondering if we need a separation of oil & state? Take a quick look at gas prices.

In August, we were hearing that BP’s negligence, corroded pipes, and shut-down at Prudhoe Bay would push the price of a barrel of oil past $80, and the price of a gallon of gas past $4. Now here we are, one month later, and the price of oil has declined to roughly $63/barrel, while gas is down to a national average of $2.67.

So what happened?

If you listen to the experts, traders have miraculously calmed down over the prospects of violence in the Middle East, conflict with Iran, and violence in Nigeria and Iraq. Its a little unclear why these prospects look substantively better all of a sudden. Iran casually blew through a UN-set August 31st deadline to stop nuclear work, Iraq continues to be a bloodbath, and there are ongoing worker strikes and community unrest in Nigeria.

So, all the places the oil market is nervous about supply are still a bit shaky – and one of the few places that the oil industry thought it could count on – Prudhoe Bay – has seen its output cut by half. You’d think (and in fact everyone did) that all this would mean higher, not lower prices.

So what’s different?

How about the election? By mid-August numerous polls were predicting a Democratic victory in November, with high gas prices remaining one of the most potent issues for voters. Big Oil and OPEC must realize that a shift of control in Congress will likely mean more constraints (windfall profits tax, price controls, less new areas opened up for drilling) on them for the future. Although many here in Washington will note this, very few would go on record as saying it – because absent a whistle-blower, its near impossible to prove.

But if prices are being manipulated for political reasons, it probably wouldn’t be the first time. Before the 2004 election, Bob Woodward reported a secret deal between the Bush White House and the Saudis to keep prices down in advance of the election.

Big Oil has a lot of levers of influence it can pull. Its not for nothing that 83% of donations from the oil industry are going to Republicans this year – thats the highest partisan skew in oil donations ever – the historical average is 75/25.

Meanwhile, BP said last week that it expects to bring Prudhoe Bay back online in late October.

That should be just in time for Big Oil’s last October surprise. Don’t let them get away with it…keep working to Separate Oil & State.

Thanks for all your hard work and support.

Peace,

Steve Kretzmann

Take Action!! Separate Oil and State!

Edward R. Murrow was the journalist who had the courage to stand up to Joseph McCarthy, but Olbermann is displaying even greater courage because today’s McCarthy-esque threat comes as much from the corporate media itself as it does from the politicians. O’Reilly, Limbaugh and Hannity, as much as Bush, Rove and Cheney, are the Joseph McCarthy’s of today. And Fox, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, WaPo, Time and the NYT are as much to blame for our current dire predicament as Congress and the White House.

Murrow had to convince his network to let him confront the McCarthyists. But the very network which employs Olbermann is an active participant in today’s new wave of McCarthyism.

Obermann is speaking truth to power from within the belly of the beast and thus, to me, has already surpassed his great mentor.

I only hope that his listeners prove to be as intelligent and courageous as Murrow’s were – and that they get the message in time.

darkblack — nice commentary earlier. Most good. Also your Birthday present to Lotus was vibrant and beautiful. And the Mt. Rushmore… and the pajama party… and and and

Just thanks.

I’d like to see more women (and men) Democrats giving Hillary more shit about her support for George Bush’s Middle East mess!

As far as I’m concerned, FDL Book Salon is one of the best things happening in the blogosphere; because in my view, a major part of what this whole blog-internets thing is all about is a democratic restoration in American politics, and the Book Salon embodies that potential by creating an intellectual space for serious participatory civic discourse. Great job, Jane and all others involved in making it happen and executing it so smoothly.

I have to admit that although I always liked Olbermann on SportsCenter, I was among the skeptics when he launched Countdown. I thought it would be over-produced dumbed-down personality-driven infotainment. Turns I was wrong, and boy am I glad.

Not sure whether I’ll make it to the live session (yup it’s gonna be a big weekend), but either way I look forward to reading the thread.

Cheers.

Thank you, imm @ 155.

Just another thing to thank the Cheney regime for. Now we’re just another tinhorn dictatorship. With sekrit torcher prisons. How exceptional.

Hmm. If I had the multi media skills, I would make a sekrit torture prison youtube with this video.

Hahaha just kidding, I meant Sekrit Torcher Prisons.

Clean up in aisle 166

Apologies for that post. Obviously I don’t know how to use the “Quote This Comment” feature. Back to my corner…

angie #164,

18 U.S.C. 2441 The War Crimes Act of 1996 (as amended)

immanentize @ 168

Just thanks.

Just you’re welcome, imm.

;>)

…I’m only a poster here, after all is said.

I don’t know that I’ve ever been prouder of this blog than I am looking in the left sidebar at the upcoming book salon schedule. Supporting liberal writers and thinkers has always been really, really important to me. I’m so happy everyone here has shown up and made the Salon a really valuable place to do that; without the folks that take the time to read the books, comment and interact with the authors it would be nothing.

You guys rock.

Sorry, the link to my 164 did not work after I hit submit, I ‘ll try again– Hugh what is it that what you are asking me?

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/us…..-000-.html

Hugh, for some reason, I don’t know how long you’ve been here or where you came from. But I’m so glad you do what you do here.

darkblack — what imman- said; but I missed lotus bb card. Yesterday? Link?

Kak @ 148

Slightly OT — Broder’s on-line conversation at the WaPo here left me with a strong sense of dis-connectedness. First — lots of questions w.r.t. apologizing to Karl Rove over the Plame leaks (at least one firepup made it through). But then Broder just can’t admit that the Prezdent willfully lied to us about Iraq and that, really, Bill Clinton lying about a blow job was the worst. I mean. C’mon. Much as Ken Starr blew threw the $$, it wasn’t $6 billion/month, 2700 American soldiers weren’t killed, more thousands wounded… The logic of his thought-process escapes me — nor do I care for his value judgement. Maybe he’s written his back up against a wall, but somewhere in there shouldn’t there be a mea culpa?

For what it’s worth, I sent some pretty blistering questions his way. Broder doesn’t like anything that upsets his little village of power players, where he is deferred to as the elder statesman, the king who has abdicated in favor of a more macho prince (Russert, of course). Clintons blow jobs happened in what he sees as “his place” (see the infamous Sally Quinn article); all those kids who are dying come from places he’s never heard of, and they’re dying in places he can’t pronounce, to paraphrase one of Chamberlain’s Anschuss apologists.

On my last comment, I told him he was despicable. They didn’t post it.

Jane Hamsher @ 176

I don’t know that I’ve ever been prouder of this blog than I am looking in the left sidebar at the upcoming book salon schedule. Supporting liberal writers and thinkers has always been really, really important to me. I’m so happy everyone here has shown up and made the Salon a really valuable place to do that; without the folks that take the time to read the books, comment and interact with the authors it would be nothing.

You guys rock.

I have to admit, it is a dream come true, Jane. Thanks again for it.

Jane Hamsher @ 176

I don’t know that I’ve ever been prouder of this blog than I am looking in the left sidebar at the upcoming book salon schedule. Supporting liberal writers and thinkers has always been really, really important to me. I’m so happy everyone here has shown up and made the Salon a really valuable place to do that; without the folks that take the time to read the books, comment and interact with the authors it would be nothing.

You guys rock.

It’s been amazing to have witnessed what you’ve done with this place, just wow!

slade @
146

Gotta mention gas prices here in Ohio….They have dropped more than $1/gallon. Just a few weeks ago, the price went to $3.15 here in central Ohio….and today they are $2.04/gallon!!!

Sickens me that oil corps get away with this crap. F*cking fascism.

I’m in eastern Ohio, and gas prices got down to around $2.07. Now they’re $2.15. Look at these two maps:
http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx
and
http://www.electoral-vote.com:2006/

immanentize
Thank you for that explanation of treaties @155. That was very helpful.

Jane Hamsher @ 175

I don’t know that I’ve ever been prouder of this blog than I am looking in the left sidebar at the upcoming book salon schedule. Supporting liberal writers and thinkers has always been really, really important to me. I’m so happy everyone here has shown up and made the Salon a really valuable place to do that; without the folks that take the time to read the books, comment and interact with the authors it would be nothing.

You guys rock.

As if you have nothing to do with it!
You, Jane, rock yourself.

Jeeze, in Colorado, we’ve barely come down a quarter/gallon

jen,

The underlying fundamentals are seasonal decline and a cooling economy. Specifics included no hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico, a ceasefire in Lebanon, and less overt saber rattling toward Iran. Instability and questions of reliability in Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, and Nigeria continue to exert speculative pressure. This does not preclude the possibility of manipulation, especially with gasoline.

watertiger @
131

Twisted Martini @ 129

Totally OT, there’s a catfight going on over at Gilliard’s. Meow!

And Althouse has made an ass of herself yet again.

omg. this is too funny. TRex, to the snarkmobile!

scarecrow @ 179

darkblack — what imman- said; but I missed lotus bb card. Yesterday? Link?

Here, and thank you, scarecrow. A little something to sip to.

;>)

I have to tone down my questions to David Broder and then I can get published as I did today. I find I really have to consider the wapo chatter before I submit any of my queries– I don’t think the mods have all that much to say about things, and I reckon it is only fair. Today I was able to get 3 out of 5 questions taken between Broder and Weisman– sometimes I am even able to get my point across :).

angie,

I was just trying to remark ineptly that that’s the War Crimes Act, something I never thought I would ever look up before Bush took office.

OK — it’s 11:00 EST — way past my bed time…

Sleep well, comrades.

Hugh @ 190

angie,

I was just trying to remark ineptly that that’s the War Crimes Act, something I never thought I would ever look up before Bush took office.

Hugh, you are anything but inept :). I know, I have it memorized nearly in its entirety and often look it up just to make sure it is still there.

imman!

What’s also so great is that the growth of FDL has been so organic and natural. It reflects Jane’s interests and intelligence and at the same time it also pushes us to completely understand and remake the context for change. The introduction of books and music makes it such a rich experience that more than fills the humanistic void created by the politics. Multiphrenic in a good way, we lap up the opportunity to be in the world. Our world.

darkblack @ 188

scarecrow @ 179

darkblack — what imman- said; but I missed lotus bb card. Yesterday? Link?

Here, and thank you, scarecrow. A little something to sip to.

;>)

Wow. That’s a treasure. Thanks.

meta @ 195

imman!

What’s also so great is that the growth of FDL has been so organic and natural. It reflects Jane’s interests and intelligence and at the same time it also pushes us to completely understand and remake the context for change. The introduction of books and music makes it such a rich experience that more than fills the humanistic void created by the politics. Multiphrenic in a good way, we lap up the opportunity to be in the world. Our world.

Let’s not forget Christy and Pach who have been focusing on the community aspects of what we have going here as well.

Kudos to them and to all who contribute in their individual ways to making this the best “home” on the web.

angie @ 190

I have to tone down my questions to David Broder and then I can get published as I did today. I find I really have to consider the wapo chatter before I submit any of my queries– I don’t think the mods have all that much to say about things, and I reckon it is only fair. Today I was able to get 3 out of 5 questions taken between Broder and Weisman– sometimes I am even able to get my point across :).

I’m usually very polite, sometimes even stroke the chatter in question before I send it, but he just sent me around the bend today, defending his absurd defense of Rove while Bob Novak was undermining him that same day, and saying that Clinton’s lie was worse than Bush’s “misjudgment”.

Yeah Jim I sent him a follow up to the “misjudgement” thing and bingo– he did not take it! I was shaking with my usual rage… it went like this:

With all due respect David, I do believe that Phase 2 has revealed that the White House cherry picked and pressured at least George Tenet to fit the intelligence to the policy. He testified to the Senate Intel Committee in July of this year and admitted that it “was the wrong thing to do.” This was not a “terrible misjudgement”, but a deliberate lie and people died. Many people.

jim #196,

That has been one of the great educational lessons for me of the net and blogs. I used to trust people like Broder to give me a relatively true portrayal of the world and the issues they covered. The net let me see who these people were and gave me the depth to assess their track records. It sounds harsh but it never ceases to amaze me that these guys are considered professionals. If they didn’t have access they would have nothing because their analytic skills are nonexistent.

angie @ 197

Yeah Jim I sent him a follow up to the “misjudgement” thing and bingo– he did not take it! I was shaking with my usual rage… it went like this:

With all due respect David, I do believe that Phase 2 has revealed that the White House cherry picked and pressured at least George Tenet to fit the intelligence to the policy. He testified to the Senate Intel Committee in July of this year and admitted that it “was the wrong thing to do.” This was not a “terrible misjudgement”, but a deliberate lie and people died. Many people.

Just a thought, cut the but a deliberate lie and people died. Many people and you’re in. Don’t answer your question for him, let him do it. Otherwise, excellent! ; )

The first thing I thought of after hearing that KO is going to be here on 11/5….but we have to be out canvassing and/or phone-banking. That’s just 2 days before the Election that must give us subpoena power.

I’m on EST so I should be done with canvassing by 5:00 pm….but you West Coasters will have to go out afterwards, OK?

I wonder if KO is working on another ‘oration’ for the night before Elections! We’ll have to mention this to him.

Yeah, Coz– that’s cause my rage got hold of my keyboard– baaaad angie! Thanks for the compliment!

angie @ 189

I have to tone down my questions to David Broder and then I can get published as I did today. I find I really have to consider the wapo chatter before I submit any of my queries– I don’t think the mods have all that much to say about things, and I reckon it is only fair. Today I was able to get 3 out of 5 questions taken between Broder and Weisman– sometimes I am even able to get my point across :).

that’s why none of my eleven snarkalicious questions for Teh Dean got picked! *g*

good show, angie!

You are the dean of wapo chats to me, Teddy and the reason I make a point of submitting as many days as I can.

– blushing –

i think they may be on to me, though, angie, i haven’t had nearly the success at getting mine picked as i once did….

Keith Olbermann is coming because he can see what a great event we had with John Dean and so many others.

Margaret Atwood invented a remote control book signing robot so that she wouldn’t have to go on tour. It’s too bad her readers had to gather at the bookstore where the robot was signing. Otherwise, we might be able to figure out how to get the honored guests to sign the firepups’ books!

watertiger @
86

As I mention elsewhere *cough*dependablerenegade*cough*, would this be classic?

1. Congress doesn’t pass the “Cover My Preznitial Ass By Retroactively Making My War Crimes NOT War Crimes” bill.

2. Republicans lose the House in November.

3. Nancy Pelosi becomes Speaker.

4. Impeachment proceedings and international criminal charges are brought against Bush and Cheney.

5. Nancy Pelosi, as Speaker, becomes President.

(accompanying picture at my joint)

I’m afraid your joint is what inspired these hallucinations…

Fun to dream though!

Please forgive me but I’ve been out of the loop all day – has anyone speculated as to who Ney is going to turn in as part of his plea?

egregious @ 143 asked about a P.O. Box for Blue America:

Howie Klein says:
September 13th, 2006 at 3:30 pm
Anyone without ActBlue, we have a P.O. Box:

Blue America
PO Box 27201
L.A., CA 90027

KO is coming to the Lake, oh yeaaaaa baby.

p-rex @
129

Margot @ 116

me to me @
106

could someone give me a link on who is responsible for treaties please?

I want to point out that the president doesn’t unilaterally define or disolve treaties

He doesn’t? Don’t worry. He will. Or at least he’ll throw a sobbing shirt-wetting snot-dripping foot-stomping tantrum about it, after which he will be firmly led away to his animal crackers and milk. And Valium. And…etc.

well, according to the constitution, any treaties we enter into are the “supreme law of the land”.

but that question is an open topic apparently. there are arguments for only the president, the president and the senate, or the president and the entire congress, respectively.

i tend to think that if the senate and the president ratify them, then it’s the senate and the president who have to unratify them.

Article II, section 2, of the Constitution states that the president “shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, …

Oh, come on, somebody’s gotta say it:
I, for one, welcome our new Countdown overlord!

I loved the brood X cicadas bit.