by Sheldon Rampton
There is something deeply scary about the Bush administration’s efforts to pass the Cheney/Specter bill, which if approved would give the White House unprecedented powers to wiretap and spy on U.S. citizens, without the need to obtain a search warrant. In addition to the threat that this poses to the privacy of all Americans, it particularly threatens journalists.
According to the American Civil Liberties Union critique of the bill, it would "vastly increase the government’s statutory power to examine all international phone conversations and emails, making warrantless surveillance of Americans’ conversations the rule rather then the exception and expand the ability to conduct warrantless physical searches of Americans’ homes."
As an example of how this legislation could be abused, consider the situation of my own organization, the Center for Media and Democracy. We are based in the United States, but one of our staff members — Bob Burton, who lives in Australia — works as the editor of our SourceWatch project. Giving the government the ability to examine all international emails without a warrant could mean that even our routine staff communications could come under secret surveillance — ranging from discussions of editorial policy to matters as mundane as staff vacations and the family photos that Bob occasionally sends us. The same thing could happen, of course, to any organization whose employees work outside the United States — which happens to describe every major news outlet, and in particular publications whose reporters are covering the mess in Iraq.
This comes, moreover, at a time when the U.S. military is also planning to spend millions of dollars to monitor and and manipulate journalists. As Walter Pincus reported recently in the Washington Post, "U.S. military leaders in Baghdad have put out for bid a two-year, $20 million public relations contract that calls for extensive monitoring of U.S. and Middle Eastern media in an effort to promote more positive coverage of news from Iraq. The contract calls for assembling a database of selected news stories and assessing their tone as part of a program to provide ‘public relations products’ that would improve coverage of the military command’s performance, according to a statement of work attached to the proposal."
In short, the government will be ranking reporters and news outlets based on how favorable or unfavorable they are to the U.S. military and to the war in Iraq. And $20 million is a lot of money to spend on monitoring the media.
Back when Bill Clinton was president, John Stauber and I wrote an article about then-Secretary of Energy Hazel O’Leary, criticizing her for spending a much smaller amount — $46,500 — to hire a PR firm named Carma International to monitor reporters and rank them according to whether they wrote favorable or unfavorable articles about the Department of Energy. Not only did we criticize this practice, government officials and journalists from across the political spectrum united in condemning it — including even the Clinton administration itself.
Clinton’s press secretary, Mike McCurry, said O’Leary showed poor judgment and her media monitoring was "clearly unacceptable." The Washington Post called it "a thoroughly dumb idea." The Washington Times wrote that the Carma contract evoked "the chilling suggestion of a press blacklist." The New York Times said O’Leary had "stepped well beyond the bounds of propriety" and called on Clinton to fire her. Mary Manning, a reporter for the Las Vegas Sun who had criticized the federal government’s plans to locate a repository for high-level nuclear waste in Nevada, said that finding herself listed on Carma’s roster of "unfavorable" reporters felt like being put on "Nixon’s enemy list." She added, "If private companies want to hire a PR firm to monitor the media, that’s one thing, but this is the government. If they start making lists of reporters they don’t like so they can ‘work on us a little,’ we have to worry about the fact that they control the police, the FBI, the CIA and the IRS."
At least 77 members of Congress, mostly Republicans, signed on to a letter calling for Clinton to demand O’Leary’s resignation. Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.) chaired a hearing to investigate the Carma contract, at which Rep. Chris Cox (R-Calif.) complained, "This is about ranking reporters for the purpose of manipulating the press: awarding friends and punishing enemies. Reputations and lives have been destroyed." Tom Coburn, (R-Okla.), said, "My heart’s kind of sick today that we’re even doing this … We don’t have a money problem. We have a moral problem about how we spend our money."
All of these warnings are even more valid today, when the proposals to grade Americans according to their political thoughts are coming, not from the lowly Department of Energy, but from the Vice President of the United States and the U.S. military. Moreover, these proposals come at a time when the Bush administration’s right-wing base is vigorously denouncing journalists as traitors, with some even calling for the editor of the New York Times to be sent to the gas chamber. Nor is it any comfort that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld seems determined to fan these extremist flames, as he did in his recent speech to naval personnel, when he declared that terrorists are "actively manipulating the media in this country."
The White House and Senator Specter would like us to believe that their plan for warrantless wiretaps and other surveillance of American citizens will only be used to trap real terrorists, and that this vast power to engage in secret spying will not be used against journalists, bloggers and other peaceful citizens who challenge their policies. Given the things that they have already done, and the frequency with which they condemn their critics as traitors, we would have to be extraordinarily naive to trust them.
Sheldon Rampton is the co-author, with John Stauber, of several books including The Best War Ever: Lies, Damned Lies and the Mess in Iraq, which was published this month by Tarcher/Penguin.
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George Orwell’s 1984 – KKKarl’s favorite book!
Mad Dogs @
3
That and Mein Kampf
Too bad they never read Sun Tzu.
I agree, this is the most important issue facing congress and the American people. I just wish the Dems would get smart on this and redefine and reframe it.
It is the Citizen Surveillance Program
This Republican Congress has not only not performed any oversight, they have authorized every Bush administration failure to date.
Good morning!
Kinda OT, but I need a little help this morning. In the Had Enough? videos (which Howie has so graciously offered to do for our candidate) I need to make absolutely sure that our Rubberstamping incumbent did support the illegal wiretapping. I’m not finding it in his voting record, anyone have a bill # or something to help me pinpoint that info? Thanks!
Great yet chilling post, Christy.
Will it never end?
What’s overlooked in this debate is that all journalist communications are ALREADY monitored, domestic or international. The NSA/CIA spend billions upon billions every year in eavesdropping efforts. Does anyone really believe there are lines in the sand that aren’t routinely crossed? The government doesn’t need statutory permission to wiretap, open mail or place bugs wherever they please. Legal and illegal are abstract, nuisance concepts. Bush will jam through retroactive immunity for anyone accused of breaking any laws anyway. Failing that he can just issue pardons on his way out of office. You’re all being listened in on to some degree, with the more prominent journos, policy wonks, politicians and corporate titans totally under the microscope.
not watching the Bush jokefest, but I hope somebody pushes him over the edge.
windje @ 4
Junya says he was going work on that one over the summer, but he couldn’t find his crayons.
He’s close to flipping out right now. Someone brought up the Powell criticism. Touched a nerve. He’s babbling incoherently.
This is an issue that just makes me feel sick when I contemplate the full implications of this legislation even being proposed, much less passed.
While Bush is certainly to blame for his failure to adhere to the law, I fault Congress for failing to exercise their own oversight responsibilities, and for failing to exact any consequences from the executive branch. I find myself appalled that the government is even talking about torture and warrantless wiretapping and surveillance, much less crafting legislation that approves it.
I said yesterday that the Specter bill might as well go into the category of “faith-based initiative,” as the bill is so vague and so broad that the American people can do little more than have faith that the powers given to the president – and future presidents – in this bill will not be abused.
Where is the accountability? Where are the limits that are supposed to be observed? What is wrong with these people? Obviously, the president knows he is breaking the law, and it astounds me that Specter is going along with the request to shield the president from any liability for having done so.
I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that if these were things being proposed by a Democratic administration, the GOP would be rioting in the streets, and I can’t for the life of me understand why the Democrats continue to take such a laid-back and passive approach to this.
Yes, Harry Reid has indicated that the Specter bill will not pass, but these Democrats should be going all-out to protest and to educate the public on the ramifications of this kind of legislation.
Honestly, impeachment seems like the least these criminals should be subjected to, but it would be a start.
immanentize @ 7
So chilling that Christy had to publish under the psuedonym of Sheldon Rampton! *g*
Imm made a boo-boo…Imm made a boo-boo! *g*
Now he’s doing the manic thing of cracking jokes and talking folksy and then getting mad again. Talking like a 3 year old in 5 word sentences.
Jesus H. Christ on a unicycle, even if these people think Bush is the Messiah and they’d trust him to shave their genitals with a straight razor, are they so completely unimaginative that the thought of “President Hillary” with these powers never occurs to them?
Or do they all have absolute faith in Diebold and the Thousand Year Right?
May I suggest this talking point…
Who watches the watchers?
Mad Dogs @
12
Is my face red!!
Sorry Sheldon (Christy gave us a heads up on the last thread and I just went to text….)
Mad Dogs @ 9
Also, there isn’t a comic-book version.
Bearpaw @ 14
Oooh, good one!
rat bastahd @
6
is your incumbent on the House Judiciary Committee? they’ve been debating H.R. 5825?
Anne @ 11
And then there is the Courts…isn’t there?
Hello…paging the Courts! You have an urgent message at the white courtesy phone!
My question for Bush:
Would you like American soldiers to be treated the way we treat our enemies?
“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.” – Sinclair Lewis
Look familiar?
Bearpaw @
14
LOL, this just deserves to be block-quoted. Nice one, Bearpaw.
meta @ 13
And it is sooooo impressive when he gets “faux mad”!
He can’t even get that right.
meta @ 10
Wow, that’s the second near-meltdown in two days in response to that! I sure hope journalists have the balls to keep asking about it.
The tone of the questions are a lot more incredulous than ever before.
Bush ain’t gonna meet with Ahmadinejad “NO”. Great balls of fire, he does not get it at all.
The most dangerous man in the world is the preznit.
“we would have to be extraordinarily naive to trust them.”
Suicidal.I wouldn’t trust them to open a can of beer for fear they’d cut me with the tab.
chimp – i hope people aren’t trying to rewrite the history of saddam. saying that he was a benevolent fellow…
Raw Story headline: Bush’s second-choice VP nominee attacks Republicans
over ‘big brotherism,’ ‘gay bashing’. . . Developing. . .
The guy “Dave” is asking my question
He tells David Gregory that he looks beautiful.
Great question by Gregory.
immanentize @ 31
that guy has been grilling chimpy and snow the last few times i have watched
…in an effort to promote more positive coverage of news from Iraq.
So, for instance, today’s biased liberal media headline Police found 30 bodies bearing signs of torture Friday could be rewritten, “Most Residents of Baghdad Still Alive And Untortured Friday”.
I feel safer already.
So why was Rummy shaking his hand, if he was so bad?
immanentize @ 31
But the question is not being answered. *yawn*
Bush is just trying to cover himself and all the other monsters so they don’t go to the proverbial Hague and it is too late, buddy– y’all already broke the law. There is clarity in the law.
He’s screaming at David now.
Democratic leaders need to engage in this battle, prominently and unequivocally. My sense is that the Republicans are actually quite keen to have a very public intra-GOP “debate” on these issues. Look for endangered Republicans to use the secret prisons and wiretapping stories to distance themselves from Bush, and look for the White House to string this out, then cut a very public deal with those Republicans on both wiretapping and secret prisons. This helps the GOP in at least 4 ways: 1) distracts from Iraq; 2) lets individual Republicans distance themselves from Bush and portray themselves as agents of change, as doing oversight etc; 3) allows the White House to recite its “Defending America” and strengthen its War on Terra credentials while putting on a show of being willing to “work with Congress” and listen to criticism; and 4) (ironically) lets Republicans attack the Democrats as too weak to stand up to the President. At least, that’s how I would play this if I were Karl Rove (eww etc). If you’re interested, I have a post with my take on the secret CIA prisons part of this and Saint McCain’s role in it. http://zaxtracks.blogspot.com/…..watch.html
I’m watching with the sound off. If I listen to that dumb son of a bitch, I’ll have a stroke.
chimpy trying to worm out of answering Dave Gregory. Dave keeps asking. Chimpy pissed now.
I can’t watch the Child-in-Chief, that’s no way to start any day, let alone a Friday.
selise, no Greg Walden is not on the Jud. Committee, but I believe there must have been a House-wide vote on it at point.
Your republic is disintegrating. i don’t think the people of the US realize how little there is left.
Man, the press has really gotten their act together.
When does he start stomping his feet, cause he’s losing it, big-time.
MY point is the imprortant point. Sheesh
angie @ 32
I couldn’t tell it was Gregory — I am watching the Wapo streaming….
Oh, what’s the matter now, Bushie-baby-poo? Why the sudden push for yet another surveillance bill? The White House still doesn’t have enough power? Is that it? We still haven’t caught the al-Qaeda bogeyman that’s hiding under your bed at night, so let’s expand the search?
I guess it is all about oil!
“Idealogical war of the 21st century.”
chimp – imagine an enemy that cant stand what believe in, getting hold of oil resources. or imagine iran w/ nookulur weapon.
so chimpasshole expects us to imagine hypothetical situations but he wont respond to hypothetical questions.
BTW – CNN audio way better than CSPANs right now
He “laks” Kofi…but has no odea what else to say.
Jesus, this is like absurdist theatre.
I keep getting an error message,’Invalid Session I.D.
What is he talking about?!
“Blue helmeted”
Is he just buffing helmets?
Christ, he can’t even pronounce Darfur. “Da-fur”
women being raped is causing him “frustration.”
I’m glad I missed the first part of this presser because this part is really pissing me off.
Chimp – “Im frustrated with the UN concerning the Sudan”
i m lost
meta @ 13
Talking like a 3 year old in 5 word sentences is the way his briefers have to talk to him, and he just repeats it the same way.
meanwhile, we are building trenches around Baghdad and setting up checkpoints in a desperate attempt to “control” anything in Iraq – what a successful plan to spead democracy:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5349398.stm
twolf1 @ 51
C-span 3 has audio also.
The non-reply to David Gregory was instructive. In response to “what if Iran or North Korea were to adopt standards of their ‘interpretation’ of humane treatment for our soldiers?” he basically said “we’re defining these standards, and if they adopted them, that would be great!” It appeared that he was not just rejecting the hypothetical, but (similar to the impression I’ve gotten from other administration lackeys) was impervious to the idea that anyone else could set “international standards.” Call it Boltonism, perhaps…
reporter “HUTCH” asks about eavesdropping program, chimp corrects him saying “we call it the terrist surveillance program”
Lookin forward to going to NY — always an intereting experience for a west texas feller…
Starts off by talking about is “conversations” with 9-11 families and then the 1st chance he gets, slips in a little dig at NYC.
Huge fuckin’ softball — who is McKinnon?
Press conference: In answering a question whether a civil war was already on in Iraq, Bush inadvertently gave the reason for the war in Iraq —- to protect our access to OIL.
I can’t repeat his exact words here, but he said in effect that if we do not prevail in Iraq the region will be in chaos (as if it isn’t already), and endanger our oil sources.
Some reporter just referred to the “eavesdropping program” which Bush quickly corrected as the “terrorist surveillance program.” We can only wish that was true.
He actually believes the average voter is going to buy the idea that the economy is doing great?
chimpy believes the goopers will win in elections because of their record on the economy – cites success with katrina.
now answers a hypothetical saying that he believes dems will raise taxes
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 34
How do they know it was torture? Did they do an autopsy to show if there was organ failure before death? Have they done a thorough examiniation into the hearts and souls of the
torturersinterrogators to see if they actually “intended” to torture? Did they check to see if there had been prior authorization by a superior officer? And really, the bodies were ME right? Arab,Persian,Turk,Kurd whatever – that means they were enemy combatants doesn’t it Some of them probably were wearing a Casio watch, or drab clothing –This country is unrecognizable and there is not one person in the Administration that you can view with any credibility.
I thought we’d reached the apex awhile back when a Fed Dist Ct judge in open court had to question a DOJ lawyer as to why they should be believed (in their statements to the court – that’s what the Bushleague lawyers have done to this country) but it’s just gone on and on from there.
Who would this be that Raw Story is promising us?
Bush’s second-choice VP nominee attacks Republicans over ‘big brotherism,’ ‘gay bashing’. . . Developing. . .
Siun @ 59
The Baghdad Pale . . .
So, apparently, our legislation will clarify Common Article 3 for the entire global community…
Court decision on terrorist surveillance was “flawed.”
GOP record on the economy is strong (man, is he out of touch). Aren’t those tax cuts great?Doesn’t believe Dems will take over. Dems will raise taxes on working people – they will call them taxes on the rich, but that’s not how it really works…apparently that MBA is just a goddamned piece of paper, too. Wants the election to be about economic performance.
1,264 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ JUST GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Thank you (SLAP!!) Sheldon, I needed that…Now is there anyone out there that really wants to argue about whether or not we are dealin’ with real, live, to-the death FASCISM here??!!
We need to crank up the heat in this election battle because I am convinced that Bush will break before November and try to suspend the Constitution and the elections if the tide keeps building against ‘im.
These folks are not isolated nutcases…they are elected leaders, lifetime-appointed judges, military commanders and insulated leaders of World Banks. The organized reserve army for the corporate-fascist oligarchy have been sayin’ out loud for decades that “we have people everywhere in positions of power”. The “Mein Kamf” for the fascist beast was published in 1996 as the manifesto of The New American Century…it’s not as though this is a surprise here folks!!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND FOR GOD’S SAKE LOAD UP SOME A THAT AMMUNITION…WE’RE ALL GUNNA NEED IT BEFORE THIS IS OVER!!!
immanentize @ 64
Either Jeff Gannon’s “bottom” or KKKarl “The Weasel” Rove’s gofer for another roll of TP.
reporter asks about people saying dems want to protect terrists more than americans
chimpy – i wouldn’t put it exactly that way. but look at the patriot act.
wtf was that mumbling stumble??? mwhmmmmsmsmeem smmw (sounded like that)
“i dont question the patriotism of people that dont agree w/ me” B.S.
Sorry, Stephen P, didn’t see ya had it aleady.
Marc @ 15
“Who will guard the guardians.” Robert Heinlein
That is a great name — IEP — I agree with the President on calling it the “Illegal Evesdropping Program.”
Uh, er, um. Errr…
He doesn’t question the patriotism of those who disagree with him – it’s a difference of opinion.
(We gotta change this from the Terrorist Surveillance Program to what it really is…)
He is just dying to call Anne Richards a lesbian.
Chimpy giggles weirdly while saying “what was it you called it – the illegal eavesdropping program? – iep instead of tsp” hahahahaha
Can’t even string together an appropriate comment about Ann Richards…what an idiot he is.
Chimpy on CNN – talking about Ann Richards. stuttering and leaving long pauses, no coherent string of words.
“Sed quis custodiet ipsos Custodes?” — Juvenal
Interesting how chastizing the UN about Darfur shows his ability to talk in detail about atrocious events like women getting dragged out of their homes and raped, but a question about events suggestive of civil war in Iraq elicits nothing.
-ck- @ 70
So Rumsfeld’s “modern army” plan involved moats.
Wow – maybe he’ll work up to catapults before Bush is out of office
Won’t someone ask him about pressuring military JAGs to sign his phony letter?
Is he still talking? I didn’t think his handlers let him go this long between naps.
Chimpy on CNN – grunts every time there is a question he doesnt like (as usual)
article 3 of the geneva conventions is very hard for normal citizens to understand – so he’s going to tell us about it because it’s a ‘vague’
I took a phone call and have missed the last 15 mintues. And he’s still on. Wow, he’s really trying to hog the limelight. Over-explaining is bound to get him in trouble, no?
Siun @ 79
Numbnutz probably doesn’t realize that an IEP is an Individualized Education Program that special education teachers write for their students. He doesn’t realize it because his teachers never showed him his.
Muzzy @ 83
After all, he only has women dragged from their homes and kidnapped to get their husbands to turn themselves in. Way different.
Well, except for a few stray 14 yos.
The SNL skit of a debate between Bush I and Dukakis keeps going through my head, with a paraphrase of Jon Lovitz’s great line being applied to Dubya:
I can’t believe dems LOST to this guy! Twice!!
He can’t answer a question directly. Unwilling to listen to other opinions, even from his allies. Unable to consider the possibility that others might have something to contribute. Belittling of those who question him. Contemptuous of those who oppose him.
David Gregory’s question was crystal clear, and if I were an undercover DOD or CIA intelligence operative without official cover, Dubya’s answer would scare me to death that my commander in chief is going to get me tortured and killed.
Of course, if I were a DOD or CIA intelligence operative without official cover, I’d have thought that way ever since Valerie was outed.
The public key encryption nerds have been worried about all this for at least 25 years. They have prepared a smorgasbord of possible ways to mitigate the problem, ranging from IPSEC to SSL to PGP to steganography to onion routers.
It’s not nice, but now that we really need these techniques, we should thank these prescient inventors and start partaking of the fruits of their labors.
Been waiting for Sun Tzu to pop back up in comments. I want to read the Tzu and would appreciate a recommendation of the best version. Any thoughts?
Also on Cheney/Specter obviously the most important issue to Cheney/Bush is retro immunity for countless past violations of law. I hope they don’t let this slip through in any bill! That may very well be Conyers future ace in the hole and they wont lose this fight without an all out war. Accountability dammit!
re prior assertions about future troop levels “are you moving the goal posts, Mr. President?” ouch. reeling again.
Oh good one: troops coming home when the Iraqi government decides they can come home!
we NEED to put this in the perspective nobody would argue with
the ‘breaking the law”, “against the constitution”, “violating my privacy” won’t work
we need to point out that with this program they will steal
with this program and no warrants, with no doubt they can steal your company secrets, with the financial information they are able to gather they can take over your most valuable contracts, find your sources, they can out bid you, they can glean the people who have become your personal contacts you’ve spent your entire carreer to discover, they can steal your trade secrets, they can tell where you’ve been, where you are going, what you are doing, what you have done, what you are buying, to who you are selling, what price you pay, what price you get, how you manufacture your goods, how you develope your product
that’s the short list and only the first few things that come to mind, the long list is too tiresome to post.
ONCE keeping our personal affairs private was a concervative position…how easy for “party loyalists” to change…”concervatives” have abaindoned yet another princicple…surprise surprse…are there any left?
they not only think it’s fine and dandy (now), they get mad if anyone exposes these crimes commited against Americans…why is this postition no longer a principle of the republican party?… their “party” leader wants to do it that’s why, so “let’s just abandon ALL of our principles why don’t we.”.
the most important thing to which you have closed your eyes;
there is NOTHING that would not have been gathered WITH warrants and WITHOUT breaking the both the law and the oath this president made to god and country
nothing…not one thing….nada…zilcho…zero…ummm…nothing
the ONLY reason to conduct searches without warrants is if you want to gather information that has nothing to do with national security, information nobody would agree you should have.
Chimpy on CNN – is he harder to follow today than usual or do I need more coffee?
-mentions building a berm around baghdad (as Old Sow pointed out at end of late night thread)
-shorter chimp – “i reeeelly want the trupes to kome home”
Bush says terrorists ‘are coming again’
*ilson46201 @ 82
“Who bells the cat?” — Aesop
Yo, Pakistan is a sovereign nation. You gotta be invited in.
What was Iraq?
Re Mary – “After all, he only has women dragged from their homes and kidnapped to get their husbands to turn themselves in. Way different.
Well, except for a few stray 14 yos.”
Good Lord. What a reminder.
Did he just say, “The Paks?” for Pakistanis?
Wow
By Bush’s “logic”, isn’t Pakistan a state sponsor of terrorism for harboring Bin Laden?
He called the Pakistanis Paks just like Cheney did on MTP– it is an insult!
Bush: We can’t send in troops to Pakistan to go after OBL because Pakistan is a “sovereign nation.”
And Iraq is chopped chicken liver?
Pakistan is a sovereign nation? So was Germany.
Jesus.
In spite of the fact that he has said that he doesn’t spend much time thinking about bin laden, it is only an urban myth that he doesn’t spend much time thinking about bin laden.
angie @ 98
Or Afghanistan?
Paks
Japs
Huns
Niggers
Mary @ 68
They’re living in they’re own “reality” thingie they made for themselves.
Ya know…that one with all the purty colors and with all their BFFs like Huey, Dewey, Louie, Micky and Goofy. All courtesy of Disney
Peterr @ 98
Who kicks the murdering moron’s ass up between his shoulderblades? (Oops, too harsh?)
OMG, he just mentioned the Third Awakening. HELPPPPP.
Cozumel @ 105
Yeah, Coz you are right, of course!
Chimpy on CNN – sounds like 2 more questions.
asked about sending more resources to get OBL
chimp – Pakistan’s a sovereign nation, we have to be invited to go in before we can go in.
(someone needs to ask him what sovereign means, he has proved before that he has no idea)
“I just read a book on abraham lincoln” gots ta let people know dat i can read
Ooo…OOOO…don’t forget this interesting tidbit:
“Testing weapons on testy US mobs” http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/…..index.html
Nonlethal weapons such as high-power microwave devices should be used on American citizens in crowd-control situations before being used on the battlefield, the Air Force secretary said Tuesday. ~ (How about testing the newest DU weapons, Dipshit?)
Side note: remember to use titanium in all your protective wear…tinfoil just doesn’t cut it anymore. *wink
immanentize @
102
You know, if this were a movie, it would be so bad that it’s good. It’s a damn shame that it’s real life.
Sheldon, in case you’re hanging around: I posted a Stratfor (G. Friedman) essay here this morning, and since I also quoted CMD on Stratfor, I have a question or two for you about that outfit.
Is Friedman (whoever he is) pretty-much “Stratfor”? Is that Sept 7 article of his just sample-as-subscription-bait, or is it representative of the stuff his/their actual subscribers pay for? I mean: That’s it?
Thank you not only for this post but those answers (if you’re around to supply them)!
Holy shit — he was elected to usher in a personal responsibility era! So whose fault is it that Iraq and Afghanistan are such a friggin disaster.
He’s encapsulated!
Wow that was a weird presser.
“Thanks for the prayers. Outty.”
rat bastahd @
41
i think it’s been in committee – but i’m no expert, suggest you email christy or glenn greenwald.
twolf1 @ 117
Just needed repeating.
Oh, I get the rules now…we can’t send troops into sovereign nations without being invited…
On the hunt in a “smart” fashion…oh, lordy.
Oh, goody – a religious question…the “Third Awakening.” Again, if he had truly open events, I guarantee you that there would be a lot fewer “I’m praying for you” comments…
Seems to him that something is happening in the religious life of America – based solely on the 100% friendly crowds that he sees, of course, but it inspires him.
Cheney and Bush must have incredible discussions full of frat boy lingo and racist remarks. They have both used the slur Paks recently. I am so ashamed that I can barely contain it anymore.
meta @ 111
Amen!
From the standpoint of a historian, it’s obvious he has no clue about the nature of the first two awakenings if he thinks there’s a third one going on right now. Some individuals may be going through some kind of spiritual renewal, but as a widespread societal movement – not so much.
meta @ 109
no shit?
Obviously, the handlers have him trained to go on and on and on repeating the same old thing in order to limit the number of questions that are asked.
Any chance we’ll get a comment from the ambassador for “the Paks”?
1,264 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
George Caligula Bush is losin’ it on national television!!! JEEzus H. CheeRIST on a fuckin’ crutch this is a surrealist nightmare…we can’t get rid of ‘im until we win the election and impeach his vice president FIRST. And if we go after his VP he jest suspends the Constitution and deploys the 82nd and 101st…
Come on folks, it’s here, we’re fucked today and nobody even unzipped their pants!!
KEEP THE FAITH ALL WE’VE GOT IS EACH OTHER!!
I can’t listen to him, I just can’t — thanks to all of you who can, at least I know some of what he’s saying. Sounds like the reporters are actually asking serious questions for a change.
OT (but is anything ever really OT these days) UPDATE
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He really is completely nuts.
And now for the wingnut calls on C-Span…always entertaining.
C-Span will repeat the presser at 8:00 tonight, just in case you want to make sure you really heard what you heard. It’ll seem even worse the second time around, for sure.
Anne @ 131
Can’t do it — not enough drugs or alcohol to make me watch it twice.
Sorta OT:
Listening to citizen call-in response to the rose garden presser on C-SPAN.
First woman: He is such a LIAR
Second woman: Can’t you see the honesty? He is so concise…
My Husband: “Shut up Laura”
:)
Here’s the quote from MTP:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14720480/
There is a great call on cspan comparing Bush to the pre-reformation Catholic church! That is the legislation that he is proposing is akin to the system of indulgences!
Peterr –
What were the first two Awakenings?
Was the Protestant Reformation the First? The 19th century revival the Second?
Was the Know Nothing movement part of the Second Awakening?
Lizzy L @ 128
You know, they try to ask serious quesions. One thing Bush does that is so patently obvious is he does everything he can to disarm and emasculate and undermine their position by ridiculing and cajoling them under the guise of cracking a joke. But the press don’t see it for what it is. They fold like little school kids.
There is an interesting passage in Genesis 4:7 where the Lord says, “Is it not true that if you do what is right, you will be fine? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at the door.”
If what the administration desires to do is right, than why NOT operate through legal means? Especially when one considers that the government can operate on an “as needed” basis for a full 72 hours before filing a request with the FISA court!
There is truly only one reason I can think of as to why they want to circumvent the legal system and it has NOTHING to do with security – unless we’re talking about THEIR security from legal prosecution. Who in their right mind would trust these incompetent BOZOS with ANYTHING? By now, even Republican lapdogs should be able to see that the more power Bush and Cheney get, the more they’re likely to abuse it – AND push for MORE! Their thinking is NOT “POST-9/11,” it’s “PRE-Constitution!”
The First Great Awakening refers to a wave of Christian fervor in the American colonies from about 1730 to 1760, while the Second Great Awakening is generally believed to have occurred from 1800 to 1830.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01594.html
I finally understand now just why the Fundies don’t believe in evolution.
With the Chimpster, how could you?
angie @ 141
This crap feels a helluva lot more like The Big Sleep.
I guarantee you that the majority of people understood David Gregory’s question – “What if other countries treated our troops/citizens in accordance with their interpretation of Common Article 3 – would that be okay with you?” – and were not assured by the president’s inability to address it, understand it, or reply beyond telling us that WE were going to do the defining, and if other countries follow OUR interpretation, that would be just swell…
What, if any, input have we gotten from the other parties to the GC, and what are their opinions on our interpretation? Why is our interpretation of the Conventions more valid or carry more weight than any other country’s? Seems to me that regardless of how we interpret it, we can most certainly still be in violation of it.
Eureka Springs, AR @ 93
I heard my name being invoked. Gen. Sun Tzu is still here, at your service.
Get Thomas Cleary’s: The Art of War
or the fancy illustrated version
Art of War Illustrated
John Danforth to assail GOP over Schiavo, gay rights
I literally have a headache now.
I have to stop listening to that Ignorant Son of a Bitch.
Dru @ 143
heh ;(
The Age of Unenlightenment or The Cradle of Uncivilization
lotus @
70
lotus – I also saw your 8:59 am comment. Please don’t worry about duplicating my comment; that will happen from time to time.
The answer to your question is former senator John Danforth. Here’s an updated link: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2….._0915.html
Windje sed: Too bad they never read Sun Tzu.
I would’t count on that, Windje. I think Karl reads it annually, while waiting by the fireplace to bludgeon Santa for not bringing him a pony when he was 12.
twolf1 @ 89
Man, I would LOVE to play poker against him. He’s permanently on tilt.
suntzu @ 144
suntzu – I am humbled by your personal answer. Thank you. *g*
OT– Looks like the Pope’s comments did not go unnoticed by millions across the globe:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14846353/
Eureka Springs, AR @
152
With right fist in open left palm, I bow.
The assault on civil liberties began with the synthetic terrorism of 9/11.
People have to seriously examine the possibility that the true enemy is, and has been, within the gates for a considerable amount of time.
Perhaps Powell is convinced of the danger now and is finally stepping up.
Protect your freedom.
Never negotiate with terrorists.
On a lighter note, from Ney’s written statement at his plea bargain today:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI…..index.html
I have yet to see anyone mention the possible political misuse of wiretapping. So…. nobody remembers Nixon?
Turn about, Stephen P (i.e., hit F5 and check 146 ^ ).
angie, here’s more on Badmouth Benny’s pot-stirring:
ToL: Muslim leaders accuse Pope of bigotry
Guardian: Muslim anger builds over Pope’s speech
LAT: Muslims Lash Out at Pope’s Remarks
So much for his trip to Turkey . . .
Ret General Batiste hanging tougher than the collective Joint Chiefs
Says Geneva Conventions need to stay; Rumsfeld needs to go, and btw – lest we forget – Rumsfeld has still never been held to account for creating Abu Ghraib (and let’s not forget his NAMA group either)
I hate to think where we’d be right now, today, if it weren’t for how many in uniform (the anti-thesis of the Myers and the Haynes), including JAG, hadn’t stepped up to the plate. You expect and hope that it will be our Congress or Dept of Justice. They have both been such absolute horrific failures that it is chilling to think how much further we would have sunk without there being a few in the military who were willing to make it a fight, not a route.
Speaking of Bush hypocrisy: a caller (on the cspan indie line) pointed out that Bush chastized the UN for not invading Sudan with the “blue helmets” because it wouldn’t go without the permission of the Sudan, a sovereign nation, but then turns around and uses the very same excuse for why we don’t go into Pakistan to root out bin Laden and friends, ie, that Pakistan is a sovereign nation!
Danforth has been ringing alarm bells about the authoritarian tilt of modern day Redublicanism under the Bush/Cheney stewardship.
Looks like Bush may take a page from the Iraqis and build a berm around DC to keep the terrrists and the media and other hostiles outside.
-GSD
I honestly hope that more people will keep hammering this, it is shameful:
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0914-28.htm
Angie #153;
Typical bridge building for these times, wouldn’t you say? All those hats must be cutting off the blood flow to Pope Maledict’s brain.
So, I’m sure this has been already asked (and of course we already know the answer), but why aren’t the rightwingers all over this? Surely at least some of them must realize that this is a two-way street. But reasoning and logic went out the window years ago, right?
ConcernedCitizen @
48
angie @
38
concerned citizen, IMHO Angie describes the core issue: Bush and other Executive Branch employees have committed felonies including violations of the War Crimes [sic?] act. Bush and his minions also conspired to commit criminal violations of Federal “wiretap” laws.
Bush and Co want the new law in the hope they will have retrospective immunity for their crimes.
(I thought the Constitution specifically prohibited ex post facto legislation, but what do I know…?)
New Thread – Mr. Pissy has a Presser
Norske,
I have faith that asking the US military to turn on Americans will be one deployment too many. If they even think about that option they are done.
I can feel it deep inside me.
-GSD
GSD @ 163
Amen,brother.
Dru @ 161
One wonders if he has a direct line to Gerson and dubya. The former Pope must be writhing.
http://www.beliefnet.com/story…..413_1.html
suntzu @ 151
With mastercard and open wallet, I order.
Mommybrain @ 150
707!
Toles on torture
King Georgie can respond instantly to reporters who he feels are not giving him proper homage & tries to cut them down to his size. Reporter: Hi, Mr President”. Georgie: Did you say HELLO Mr. President?
Every time Georgie takes questions from reporters & I listen to his tortured attempts to answer the non-softball ones, I am wondering when he is going to cry in frustration. If reporters will keep on asking the questions americans deserve the answers to, I don’t think he will be able follow even his present incoherent response script. Reporters: more tough, legitimate questions = exposing the truth. And I dearly hope for more & more meltdowns…it’s way past time to strip the emperor of his clothes. More reporters should take note of the attention & respect Keith Olbermann is getting…don’t they want some of that?
lotus @
117
Obviously I’m not Sheldon, but I have a friend who subscribes to some of Stratfor’s services and I get to see some of their free stuff every once in a while.
IIRC, Friedman is an polisci ex-academic gone commercial. He has an analytical staff in Austin and a network of contributors globally, much as a large blog might. I don’t think his track record of predictions is necessarily is all that, but a lot of businesses need a second or third source around risk assessment, and it’s a branded way of getting due diligence in the file if nothing else. I wouldn’t exactly call his company’s reporting the Da Vinci code of how executives think about foreign policy, but that’s just me.
Thanks, al-Scoots!
Been missing you lately but still love to reach your stuff when I finally do get to wherever it is.
Howya been, my bro?
Eureka Springs, AR @
168
Ah, so!
Eureka Springs, AR @
95
I’ve read all the famous English transations of Sun Tzu and my favorite is by Samuel Griffith. I think it has the cleanest, tightest prose and a terse, military style that best reflects Sun Tzu’s original text. But I see I may be too late to this conversation…? In any case, Cleary isn’t bad either, just not my favorite.
Whatever translation you get, Enjoy! I’ve read it about a hundred times and study different chapters regularly. Like many canonical works, it’s an unending reservoir of thought.
Peace.
Lotus wrote:
The article on Stratfor that you mention is partly written by Bob Burton, our SourceWatch editor. You might want to shoot him an email with your questions: bob AT disinfopedia.org. My email address is sheldon AT prwatch.org, if you want to shoot me some followup questions. (Right now I’m about to hop on an airplane, so I don’t have much time right now for a considered response.)
If your basic question is, “is Friedman the only person who really works at Stratfor,” the answer is that they’re bigger than that. For example, Bart Mongoven works there. If you do a search for “Mongoven” our websites (PRWatch.org and Sourcewatch.org), you’ll find some information about him and his father, Jack Mongoven, both of whom are/were specialists in compiling sneaky dossiers about environmentalists and other activist groups for corporate clients. (Jack Mongoven is deceased now.) We’ve got some examples of their work products in the form of leaked documents that people have passed to us over the years. They also fancy themselves as deep-thinking strategists who love to dabble in the theories of war strategists like Sun Tzu and Clausewitz.
If, however, your question is, “Is Stratfor’s analysis usually this superficial?” I’m afraid it probably is. You can usually find deeper insights on newspaper op-ed pages or websites like this one.
1,264 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
GSD @ #165:
Bless yer heart…I also believe that any attempt to use troops against US citizens would be the end of things as we know them, and the soldiers would not fire on their brothers and sisters…however, the military is already broken and the only effective, disciplined forces remainin’ are those mercenary forces that have been quietly but very effectively built by Haliburton et al. Anarchy and the collapse of democratic institutions including the Army are part of the “final solution” of the corporate oligarchs. There is a national network of militias that have been ready for years to sow confusion and chaos within local law enforcement and civil institutions…the mercenary armies are already positioned and outfitted to be brought to bear strategically in protection of the oligarchy. The only branch of the US military that the fascists can count on in this end of times scenario is the US Air force..look back on the recent history of evangelism and anti democratic scandal at many levels beginning at the Air force Academy.
Trust me…the only folks who have any plans for a response to the anarchy that is coming are those corporate fascists who have planned it.
KEEP THE FAITH, TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER AND MAYBE WE’LL HAVE A CHANCE TO START ALL OVER AGAIN!!
NorskeFlamethrower @ 176
A couple a hundred million,well armed,and VERY pissed off Americans might make them think twice.
kristinejoy @
151
OH YA! I say we raise the steaks. He’s gone on a bluff. oh ya! F–king idiot. Can not believe you all watch the chimpster, but then again the reality is so inane to bear a resemblance to alien dis-intelligence. Entertainment? It’s hypnotic, I’ll tell ya, something that must have been preprogrammed by the puppetmasters. Oh well, back to the mug o’ java.
lotus @
175
Pretty busy, walking my daughter down the aisle to give her away tomorrow night. Somewhat buried with project work earlier this month, likely will resume Monday. I’ve usually ended up on the night shift at FDL the last couple of weeks (at least when I can get here at all), so our timing hasn’t been the best.
Right now I’m trying to cope with the emotions around my little girl being all grown up and on her own as officially recognized, etc. even though it’s been the reality for a good long while. It has to happen, and her mom and I are incredibly happy for her, but I envy Christy a little if you know what I mean.
Been following your adventures here as I can, and I hope Flowah Day was everything you wanted it to be. It looks like an el nino weather pattern’s developing, so I’m hoping that you’ll catch a break this hurricaine season. We can always use wet winters out here.
Stay well, and I hope y’all get to do the FL FDL get-together.
Kentucky Woman @
135
707!!
“could mean that even our routine staff communications could come under secret surveillance — ranging from discussions of editorial policy to matters as mundane as staff vacations and the family photos that Bob occasionally sends us. The same thing could happen, of course, to any organization whose employees work outside the United States — which happens to describe every major news outlet, and in particular publications whose reporters are covering the mess in Iraq.”
As mentioned above in #94, any organization with overseas members should be using pgp for all inter-company email.
http://pgp.com if you want to pay for support,
http://www.gnupg.org/ if you want free open source. They both work. You can pick the key length – longer is slower and more secure. Despite all the paranoia, I’m pretty sure this is unbreakable in any reasonable amount of time using existing super computers. Certainly it will slow down NSA if they have to spend the time on every one’s email.
Art
Sheldon R at 179 — thanks so much for that answer (and yes, that was my kernel question). Have a safe flight in smooth air with a pleasant seatmate, and come see us again when you can!
al-Scoots at 183 — Aw, you and Mrs. Scoots must have such a mix of emotions, and though I’ve never been in your sitch, I can imagine what they include. Tremendous pride and happiness are surely in there, and sure to absolutely dazzle all concerned tomorrow night. That’s how I’ll picture you, anyhow.
Meanwhile, back here ’round the ol’ lotus pond, you’re right, the benign skies have been to treasure, and we’uns been busy doing just that.
And Flowah Day was so wonderful that it’s limbered-up my petals for this big ol’ hug to include the whole happy wedding party —
((((((HUUUU-UUUUUUUU-UUUUUUU-UUUUG)))))
immanentize @ 109
you forgot Macacas
.. the Cheney/Specter bill ..
.. the Dick Cheney ghost of Fascist Present ..
“WAKE UP!”
- Rage Against The Machine
-GFO
Remember hearing that Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, and Rice do not use e-mail? They communicate on paper,which is shredded and then burned. Are you starting to get the picture? This isn’t something they are GOING to do, it’s already up and running. Now they need to slowly bring it into the light.
In today’s world, analyzing the “necessity” of surveillance efforts has become a topic of daily conversation. It is undeniably the obligation of our government to take the measures needed to keep us safe. But to what extent and at what cost? If Pincus’ Washington Post report bares truth regarding the U.S. military’s attempt to “promote positive coverage of news from Iraq” then we have truly reached a point of encroachment upon our first amendment rights. After all, under this amendment protection from legislation which infringes on our freedoms of speech and right to free press is guaranteed. More importantly however, the actions undertaken by the Bush administration to further powers to wiretap, spy, and execute search warrants and their justifications for doing so must be openly revealed to the American public. And it is the duty of a responsible citizen to inform himself via alternative media outlets and reliable NGOs rather than idealistically putting unlimited trust our public administrators.