
So many people were focused on watching the New York Times tee up Ned Lamont last weekend on behalf of Joe Lieberman (as they indulged once again their favorite obsession, sniffing the panty drawer of The Clenis) that an article pointing out that Lieberman has no ground game was largely overlooked:
Since his defeat in the Aug. 8 Democratic primary, Mr. Lieberman has been seeking Democrats while appealing to Republicans with tough talk about terrorism that is similar to President Bush’s. He is mulling creating nonpartisan “citizen town committees” because he must build a new voter-turnout operation from scratch. And he is calibrating his language to try to appeal across party lines without seeming inconsistent or awkward — though, at times, he does.
No longer the Democratic nominee, he has lost a handful of union endorsements, and his allies in the A.F.L.-C.I.O. may stay neutral. His campaign must replace and train hundreds of field workers that the state party usually deploys to help turn out voters. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, usually on his side, is now providing fund-raising and strategy help to Mr. Lamont. And there is no party organization that can quickly gather its members for the large campaign rallies that can be a shot in the arm.
Independent candidacies are rare, because party affiliation provides so many advantages: Fund-raising aid, battle-tested organizers, policy and strategy assistance, volunteers and an apparatus that can attack the candidate’s opponent without the candidate appearing negative.
[]
Mr. Lieberman has managed to hire one prominent Democratic media consultant, Josh Isay, who demonstrated partisan flexibility by working for Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg last year. (He already has a Republican pollster, who also works for Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania.) Yet other Democrats have left his campaign, leaving Mr. Lieberman’s staff of loyalists to shoulder many new tasks — in particular, building its own get-out-the-vote operation without relying on state and town Democratic organizations that can move voters to the polls.
Sherry Brown, who took over as Mr. Lieberman’s campaign manager last month, said her team needed new ways to identify and mobilize voters beyond using the traditional lists of registered voters that the parties use to plan turnout strategy. The citizen committees are one idea; she also said the senator would rely more than usual on assistance from unions, environmentalists and other groups that have endorsed him, such as the Chamber of Commerce.
Vets for Freedom, a group with ties to top Republican strategists, is also planning to rally Republicans to vote for Mr. Lieberman, using commercials and other organizing tools.
With labor turning overwhelmingly toward Lamont and local Connecticut organizers working steadily within the campaign, Joe is getting killed on the ground. And this week the College Democrats of Connecticut are getting into the act on Ned’s behalf for GOTV efforts.
Joe’s raising tons of money but doesn’t seem to be spending much right now. I’m sure we can look forward to the next 54 days filled with paeans to Republican talking points, his glorious history of sanctimonious finger wagging and of course himself. Sandwiched in between will no doubt be a passel of partisan smearmongering that rails against partisan smearmongering and veiled threats to caucus with his Republican buddies if the Dems aren’t nice to him.
Oh and did we mention overpay? It’s hard to tell what Joe is hemorrhaging faster, money or sense. But you know all the people taking him for that long, last ride have got to be sporting the Big Happy.
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Wow! Jane!
How long before you suppose the pugs will be riding to the rescue?
A Vote for Lieberman is a Vote for Bush!
Joe Lieberman may be scum, but at least he is special, VILE scum.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
But hope Ned keeps it real and rustic, whatever the DSCC is telling him. Be the man that you are, and not a product of any established Dem structure, Mr. Lamont.
Joe Blow!
Can they ride to the rescue, when there are fighting for their own lives? No honor among thieves and Republicans (redundant?!)
Has there been any recent polling in this race? How likely are the likely voters to be swayed by a TV ad blitz?
Christian fundamentalists and fanatics are at least as hateful and dangerous to human survival as are Muslim and Israeli fundamentalists and fanatics.
AFAIK, the sworn enemy of the Chamber of Commerce are Trial lawyers. Anyone know if the CT Trial Lawyers Association has ponied up for Ned?
Your daily gas and oil prices
Average price for regular gasoline 9/14/06 in 50 states and DC
$3.00 plus 1 state
$2.90 plus 7 states
$2.80 plus 5 states
$2.70 plus 4 states
$2.60 plus 9 states
$2.50 plus 5 states
$2.40 plus 10 states
$2.30 plus 8 states
$2.20 plus 2 states
Average national price: $2.575, down $.017
Highest recorded national average price: $3.057 9/5/2005
Highest average price: Hawaii $3.287
Lowest average price: Missouri $2.280
Nymex Crude Future $63.35, down $.62
Dated Brent Spot $62.47, down $.51
WTI Cushing Spot $63.22, down $.75
Gas prices continue to decline in their generally Republican friendly direction. There is talk that this may continue until the start of the cold weather season. If that season starts on November 8, you will know why. Oil prices are wandering in the $60-65 range. The cooling economy and its effect on inventories are rippling back and forth through the system. With regard to the question of manipulation, as I said yesterday there was a big fall off in prices last year but what looks odd this year is the rate of decline and its timing.
OT – Too funny. On Joe Scarbourgh, the possibility of a boycott of ABC TV was mentioned because of something Rosie O’Donell said on The View about Christian extremists. OK, works for me, Boycott ABC TV LOL
And Disney ; )
Hugh – Thanks for that update.
Lowest average price: Missouri $2.280
Now that is getting low enough for some short sighted swing voters to get lazy.
Seems like Joe’s campaign is similar to the axis of dumbfucks (Bush,Cheny,Rumsfield)”shock and awe”. Don’t mean shit if you don’t have enough boots on the ground. Give em hell Ned
AirportCat @ 7
The latest I can find is here at Teagan Goddard’s Political Wire:
Not good news, but Ned’s pulled a rabbit out of a hat once already. 54 days is a lot of time to change some minds.
Colin Powell, for me is a real stomach churner. This man along with the Bush lunatics, has the blood of almost 3000 soldiers and countless innocents on his hands. As does Joe Lieberman, and Hillary Clinton. Obviously I am speaking of Iraq.
How can he not have a ground game when his campaign is always so close to it?
His campaign must replace and train hundreds of field workers that the state party usually deploys to help turn out voters.
This is his biggest problem. Some things money can’t buy.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 15
For me too, OK, because I thought he was capable of more integrity from the get-go. I know his past record is not flawless but I was massively disappointed in him. Kind of like the way I railed against Hillary when she voted to give Bush authority to invade. I was more angry with her than some others because of my higher expectations.
Powell really can’t do much, in my estimation, to redeem himself. He’s got a lot of blood on his hands.
Oklahoma kiddo @
15
yup– perhaps the worst of the lot. I have not heard him say yet he was wrong and that he betrayed soldiers and their families everywhere.
let’s ask Joe: are you for the Geneva Conventions or against them?
I think it’s pretty obvious from that pathetic excuse for a website that Joe is really scraping the bottom of the campaign barrel. I have to say that I find it highly amusing to think about how much he is probably paying those 5th graders to run his website…
It’s hard to imagine that the lack of a ground game – together with a really bad passing game, and an execrable head coach – won’t begin to be reflected in the numbers very soon. And once that starts, the fans will start streaming to the exits, don’t you think?
The more you know about Joe, the more you know he has to go. He and Lincoln Chaffee can start their own party in November…”When you Get a Whiff of Linc and Joe, You’ll Know Why They Had to Go (and you thought New Jersey Smelled Bad).”
(And my family originated in NJ, so I know parts of it smell – and are – quite nice, thank you)
This is his biggest problem. Some things money can’t buy.
Although most of them are things he doesn’t want. Like integrity.
OldCoastie @ 20
Really, for me it all comes down to the torture. What kind of country are we. The campaigns (not just Ned’s) should be all about torture; if the American people don’t feel it and smell it they just won’t understand the enormity of the crime. It’s got to be shoved in their faces.
yup– perhaps the worst of the lot. I have not heard him say yet he was wrong and that he betrayed soldiers and their families everywhere.
Of course not. He is merely a helpless victim, who had absolutely no choice other than to cheerlead for the Iraq invasion…
AirportCat @
7
Last Zogby/WSJ poll released on Monday (sorry, I don’t have a link handy), had Lieberman up 46-42, but with a 4-pt. MOE. So this race is very close, even a virtual tie.
Percy @14, isn’t that the poll that was taken about a month ago, right after Joe-mentum lost the primary, or is it more recent? Also, as the editorial note says, it’s a R poll from Joseph I(’m a Republican) Lieberman’s campaign, no doubt casting JIL’s numbers in the best possible light. I was wondering if there was anything resembling an independent poll of likely voters in the last week or so.
It’s hard to imagine that the lack of a ground game – together with a really bad passing game, and an execrable head coach – won’t begin to be reflected in the numbers very soon. And once that starts, the fans will start streaming to the exits, don’t you think?
So you don’t think the “Win one for the GOPer” pep talk will help?
Airport Cat, please see my #25.
using a pseudonym, I signed up for Joe’s Email alerts when he first set up his reborn website. So far, I have received just one Email. Aside from begging for money (which any wise politician always does) he specifically asked me to be an election day volunteer at the polls — and to try to get others to do so too. That was my clue the LieberFolk knew their ground game was lacking …
al-Scooter @ 25
Thanks, al-Scooter. How independent is Zogby/WSJ? Is that one as right-leaning as the WSJ editorial page? I have no doubt the race is close, but the more you see of Ned Lamont, the worse Joe Lieberman looks.
Did somebody say Piece Of Shit polling firm?
*ilson at 29 — was that the e-mail begging for people to volunteer to stand outside polling places to inform people they had to look all the way down to the fifth spot on the ballot for the Lieberman Connecticut for Lieberman party?
So can money buy a ground game? You know the Gambino Repubs will dump a truckload of cash on him, but will it help?
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 31
Yup. A bit more googling shows they’re quite partisan, and have been accused of push-polling. I’m liking those Zogby numbers.
Good one, Eli!
Nope, I don’t think anything will help…he has managed to paint himself into a corner and pretty much everything he says hurts him in some way.
This is what happens when you want to win for yourself so bad that you fail to think things through. And it’s a testament to the size of his ego that he actaully believed that his running on his own would not be seen for what it is.
If he weren’t such a weasel, I might be able to feel a little pang of pity for him, but he is a weasel, and he deserves whatever he gets.
As of two days ago SurveyUSA shows Lieberman ahead by 13%, way deviant from Zogby 46-42 for Joe in #25. SurveyUSA claims to be biggest political survey co. in US.
SurveyUSA
OldCoastie @ 20
Good question. And follow it up with “Are you for the Constitution or against it?”
“Do you believe in the Constitutional system of checks and balances and separation of powers, or do you support the unilateral executive?”
Airport Cat #30:
Check out John Zogby’s commentary at HuffPo sometime. He’s definitely not a wingnut.
I understand your suspicion re: the WSJ op-ed stance, but the poll apparently is considered “news”, where the WSJ has an excellent reputation. Remember, there are lots of financial heavy-hitters all over the world who want solid info about what’s going on, so their news operation has to be accurate for them to keep an audience.
Shock and Awe=Crock o Flaws
OfT, but exciting: Bob Ney to plead guilty Friday.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/14/20256/6044
al-Scooter @ 25
My optimistic read: Lieberman’s 46% have had 18 years to get to know their man. He doesn’t have any new tricks to perform for the electorate. Lamont, by contrast, is a newcomer, and as such has more opportunity to woo the electorate and overcome distrust.
Also a four point spread means that Ned needs only 2.5% more to move into the top spot.
Wasn’t that polling firm accused and convicted of cooking the results?
Titanyum @ 42
Impossible. Joe would never hire anyone dishonest.
I think this has been discussed here before, but aren’t there TWO Zogbys, brothers? And the one has a polling company that polls exclusively on the Internets, which I think Master Kos says is unreliable.
More research required on this, but this is what I recall….
Christy, isn’t it past your bedtime?
Nice to see you here in the moonlight.
I hope you were able to sort out the tech issues you were having this morning (traveling today, trying to catch up on old threads).
1,263 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Hey TeddySanFran, good ta hear yer still hangin’ in here…I saw that too, doesn’t it get quiet in the crime news when Rethugs go down?! Has any cable talkin’ head mentioned it yet?
KEEP THE FAITH AND MAYBE THEY’LL MEET SOME NICE YOUNG MEN IN PRISON!!!
Teddy at 44 — there are two Zogby brothers. One does polling, both online and phone polls, and has a decent track record overall. One is an Arab-American rights leader, and does quite a bit of public appearance work on behalf of his organization. (I think that is correct. Anyone have better details?)
AirportCat @ 37
Followed up with, Senator you seem to have been absent for many votes on the war. Just what is it you do for Connecticut and America? Did you believe in the soldiers before you abandoned them and their families? Did you believe in equal rights before you abandoned poor minorities on the Gulf Coast? What did you know about Michael Brown before you gave him the Golden Joe Seal of Approval? What did you know about Dubya before you two kissed in public?
ad nauseum.
Ted Koppel (who was on Charlie Rose a week or so ago to hype his 911 special) I thought gave a very simple straightforward answer to a military man who was repeating the Bush canard that part C of the Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions prohibiting
was too vague. Paraphrasing the Golden Rule, Koppel said that any treatment the officer felt uncomfortable with our troops receiving he probably shouldn’t use against those we capture. Works for me.
T- at 45 — I’m up watching the WVU football game at the moment. But I’m still working ont he tech issue — has anyone here used Photoshelter? I’m having trouble getting photos to download for me and I can’t tell if its a problem with me or with them.
TeddySanFran @
44
John Zogby is the pollster, his brother James is head of the Arab American Instutute and a writer/blogger. Both appear at Huffpo, so it can be confusing. James leans liberal-progressive I think. Professionally, John needs to stay neutral, at least in public.
Here’s a question or two that I would like to have every member of the House and Senate answer:
With regard to torture, where do you draw the line?
At what point do you become uncomfortable with torture?
If you believe it is okay to use torture to obtain information about terrorists, would you approve of torture to obtain information about criminal activity committed or planned against US citizens by US citizens? If not, why not?
Why would it be okay to torture non-US citizens if it is not okay to torture US citizens, or do you also believe that it would be okay to torture US citizens? If so, under what circumstances?
If you are opposed to torturing US citizens because our Constitution and our laws do not permit it, would you be in favor of it if it were legal?
How does torture conducted by agencies of the US government differ from torture conducted by dictators?
I probably have 100 more questions like this, but I will stop here.
I’m raising a glass to Ann Richards tonight… they just showed a short clip on the NBC news of her with her “silver foot” comment… what a dame! what a beautiful woman! what sparkle and mischief in her eyes!
I’ve been sad all day…
James and John Zogby. John is the pollster. James is one of my personal heroes and tops at the Arab American Institute.
Looks like someone is flat out Lieber-obsessed.
While the issue of the Flying Zogby Brothers is being sorted out, here’s the link to their latest polling results:
http://online.wsj.com/public/r…..mp;hasAd=1
Here we go again. Ramping it up for more war. I’d be bored to death, except for the fact that I’m scared to death.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14838090/
TeddySanFran @ 40
Teddy, the Ohio GoOPers are so corrupt, they almost make the nationwide operation look like pikers.
Anne @ 52
As Koppel via Hugh alluded to, I would like to ask them whether they would be comfortable with our interrogation techniques being applied to our own troops, since they’re “not torture”, after all.
From angie to Zogby, FDL covers CT.
1,263 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
The 46%-42% sounds right but I’m bettin’ that the internals from Lamont’s camp next week (this weekend) will show even better already. Unless they get pictures of Ned committing some heinous crime of immorality in the street (like crammin’ a copy of the Constitution up Joe’s ass), this race is over.
KEEP THE FAITH, THAT TERRIBLE SOUND YOU HEAR IS JUST A REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGN AD!!!
WVU is for real…and they were last year too.
I can remember the Bulldawg nation griping about having to play the “lowly” Mountaineers in the Sugar Bowl.
We summarily got our asses whipped.
I was hoping for a good game tonight, but this one looks well in hand.
Anyone know how it looks against the spread?
Trying to talk logic with a republican is as futile as this!
Good polling site for all races. Pollster.com
WRT CT
Survey USA interviewed 572 people.
Zogby’s sample size is not available, but it was via the tubez.
OldCoastie @
20
That’s a darned good question. You know, the Geneva Conventions were ratified unanimously by Congress in 1949. Bush’s grandfather voted for them. So did Joe McCarthy. If you oppose them, you have gone to a far-right crazyland even Joe McCarthy would not enter.
What most polls don’t show is the level of enthusiam for Lieberman (I don’t know it was “likely voters” or not, although those definitions can be skewed as well). Lieberman is the lesser of two evils in the wingnut, well, for a lack of a better term, mindset. Ergo, there simply can’t be the same passion as we have for Ned. Bush polls like really low in CT, right? I mean really low, so I just can’t see this tsunami of Regressive shitheads rushing to the polls to vote for Lieberliar to support Bush. I think Ned will win going away as others here, and especially Jane and also Steve Gilliard, as he will have no real passionate base, or a base at all except with the Bush faithful. Maybe Joe won’t drop out, although he’d be a fool not to.
Joe, seriously now, salvage what you have of your reputation, repudiate the last few weeks of your self-indulgent stupidity, throw all of your support behind Ned, and watch all of us forgive you. We won’t hold an empty grudge, once you are no longer enabling Preppy Boy we’ll bring you back into the fold and if you prove that you have lost your lupinal tendencies, you’ll be trusted…at least a little. :)
Raoul
Anne #52,
As Bush says we don’t do torture, so any torture we do do isn’t torture. Hope that clears things up.
So, if W’s new “alternative” standard of what’s torture is that it “shocks the conscience,” my question is: whose conscience? Yoo’s? Gonzales’? Shrub’s? Cheney’s?
Does Cheney even have a conscience?
OldCoastie @ 53
Most of what Ann Richards had to say about the Bush’s, over the years, has proved exceedingly true. This individual was one good human being.
OfT
WVU was favored by from 17 to 18.5.
From my new paper issue of Harper’s: The Way out of War
by George S. McGovern and William R. Polk:
snip
Withdrawal is not only a political imperative but a strategic requirement. As many retired American military officers now admit, Iraq has become, since the invasion, the PRIMARY recruiting and training ground for terrorists.
snip
The 25,000 armed mercenaries employed in Iraq as “Personal Security Detail” now make up a force larger than the British Troop Contingent in the “Coalition of the Willing” and operate under direct control -and with little interference-of the British and American armies. They are literally, the “loose cannons” of the Iraq War.They should be withdrawn rapidly and completely, as the Iraqi’s regard them as the very symbol of the occupation. Since the US pays for them eith directly or indirectly, all we need to do is stop payment.
snip
Property damage in Iraq- World Bank estimates $25 Billion to repair infrastructure alone, apart from the damage to personal property.
snip
Assuming 50,000 unjustified deaths, and the compensation per person to be $10,000, our outlay would be only two days cost of the current war.
snip
It is sobering to think that the cost of rebuilding Iraq’s public health system would amount to less than we spend on the war every twenty days.
Raoul Duke @ 66
Oh, I think I’ll hold a little bit of a grudge. A little bit.
From the story linked by OK @57:
Uh, who else here has more confidence in Mr. ElBaradei and the IAEA than they do in the current Administration?
I’m pleased the ‘nets are showing any of Ann Richards in the current Bush-worshipping TradMed climate, but pissed that they are only showing that single quote. Lady said a lot of fun and worthwhile things about the Bushes, on camera, over the years. Where are all those clips?
AirportCat @ 73
me, me, me, me, me!
hey Firepups!
not when those Mountaineers are whooping ass on National TV
38-17 w/8:30 left in third
Hey, gang! Ms. Redshift says that Bush practically melted down today when asked by a reporter about the Colin Powell letter — went into his “people don’t understand” and practically into a full-blown rant. She says CNN actually showed it, but she didn’t catch it on Tivo. Did anyone else see this, and has anyone heard of the video being available anywhere? ‘Cause I didn’t see it, and I’d really like to.
I checked C&L and YouTube (as well as the CNN website), but I haven’t found it.
I was just trying to be inclusive, Cleter, we have to give the Lieberliar some delusion of reprieve. :)
Raoul
al-Scooter @ 56
Click on “Connecticut” at the site and you get to see the changes between Zogby’s Aug and Sept polls. Joe’s line is running down. Ned’s is headed up. Two sweet-looking trends.
I think the definition of torture that is lurking behind Bush’s denials is the one in the August 2002 Bybee memo: that the conduct must inflict pain severe enough to cause organ failure or death.
outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment
This comment by Mary earlier today says it all:
Hugh @ 67
Unless someone does it to one of ours.
ifthethunderdontgetya @
58
I keep remembering Ney saying stuff like “Oh, people in my district don’t pay attention to silly gossip. They know me, I’ve been there for them.”
Hm. Didn’t know him well enough, I guess.
Come on, Zack Space OH-18!
Scariest thing W said on his latest interview with Larry King: “Look, words mean different things to different people.” When he said that, it struck me that that’s the core of the overall problem.
John Casper, thanks as always.
You always illuminate the most salient issues/posts. That is a huge benefit for folks that that are flying in the dark through comment threads.
Would have been a pretty good game with a little action on the line.
Hugh – thanks for clearing that up (what was I thinking???)
Redshift – I saw part of that when I was at the gym, and he did seem a little unglued at the edges. Kind of like the other day when Matt Lauer interviewed him and he was right up in Lauer’s face, bleating about “protecting” people’s families…Lauer looked a little like he wondered how he would react if the president started pushing that finger into his chest trying to get Matt to “understand.”
I don’t care a straw for your newspaper articles, my constituents don’t know how to read, but they can’t help seeing them damned pictures.
Boss Tweed
Oklahoma kiddo @ 69
Ann and Molly have both been on the mark, re: shrub. But our increasingly corporate press has been horrible.
I’d really like people to just spotlight every FDL post to Fred Hiatt. I know you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, but this clown, like anyone else still spouting bushler propaganda, is hopeless.
P.S. Great pic of a propaganda spouter, from D r i f t g l a s s. But who is that guy with the glasses? Apparently, mealworms for Bobo are like corndogs for Assrocket.
Uh, who else here has more confidence in Mr. ElBaradei and the IAEA than they do in the current Administration?
I have more confidence in the obnoxious question-mark guy than I have in the current administration.
Christy at 32 -
Yes, judging by Joe’s email, they are clearly worried that voters will not look down the ballot to find Lieberman’s name in FIFTH PLACE.
The email begs Lieberman supporters to show up at every poll to “educate” voters about where to find his name.
Lieberman’s campaign had better be extremely careful about advocating such behavior, because, as I understand it, poll watchers are not allowed to try to influence voters or approach them before they vote.
Based on what I have read about the primary, the law is clear on this point. Lieberman’s supporters should be watched closely to ensure that they do not overstep the bounds of appropriate legal behavior at the polls in November.
Based on the unscrupulous behavior of Gerstein and Lieberman’s campaign team thus far, they cannot be trusted to comply with the rules.
TeddySanFran @ 84
“You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
Jenny from the Blog @ 81
I saw a poll mentioned earlier today on some cable news channel. I think it was a WSJ poll but I can’t find it.
It was something like this…
Should the U.S. change (redefine) Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions like Bush wants…
Favor 41%
Against 51%
Republican Senate leader, Bill Frist, on the PBS News Hour:
“We’re not going to do what Harry Reid wants to do, which is surrender, wave the white flag, cut-and run.”
McNeil repeats the white flag words and asks if Frist is really saying that.
Frist, uses the word “surrender” again.
ot, sorry
a few articles posted for everyone to use when engaged in the torture debate
3. An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture.
here’s a quote from the army feild manual;
enjoy
Hugh @ 80
So glad to have that cleared up. So…
Ripping out fingernails – no worries.
Waterboarding – refreshing.
Slicing off an ear – dicey, but not really an organ, so we’ll give it an a-okay.
Electro-shock – easy pass!
Near-suffocation – cool.
Smashing teeth – NOT an organ.
Those guys in legal, they make it so easy…
I have not heard of the Arab-American activist Zogby being associated with polling.
Frist:
“Lincoln Chafee probably votes with me 85, 90% of the time.
Prof @ 97
That’ll really give him a boost in November, I’m sure.
just wrote Ted Koppel at the Discovery channel site (have no idea if it will get to him) and asked he do a show on Ann… you know he’d do a good job – I still can’t get over how good “The Price of Security” was the other night… if you missed it and it replays, I would Highly Recommend!
I hope no one is sanguine about a Lamont victory. It is too soon to be counting those chickens and despite the uptick in the WSJ poll, the other polls are not as rosy. Lamont unfortunately took time off after the primary victory, which I can understand from a personal pov, but it allowed the momentum to shift and now he has to do double time just to catch up.
We cannot rest until after the general election. Nothing is for certain with the crew we have in the WH. Nothing.
President Bush does not have any consideration for human life. He still is the governor who approved the most executions in America. He doesn’t particularly care if a torture victim survives – the less they are surviving , the less they can testify afterwards to being tortured.
moe99 @ 100
Sanguine? Ha. I need *at least* a 10% edge in the polling before I feel confident that the evil candidate won’t win.
from Joe’s letter to me:
he is desperate for Election Day volunteers…
http://www.LieberLoser.com
Ney — who is in alcohol rehab and is pleading guilty in the Abramoff affair — is the one who declared French fries were “Freedom Fries.”
When he is in prison, he’ll be wantin’ some freedom fries…
*ilson46201 @ 103
would it be wrong for a whole bunch of us to volunteer? after all, if he needs the help….
;-)
Lobster @ 104
Actually, I think that was Walter Jones from NC. Who now opposes the war, IIRC…
CNN newscaster is saying Ney’s charges are expected to include conspiracy and making false statements.
Oops, never mind – looks like Bob Ney had a starring role in the Freedom Fries Fiasco as well. I only remembered Jones, maybe because of his ironic conversion.
Does Lincoln Chaffee also torture cats?
Oops, I forgot. “We don’t torture.”
Eli @ 106
you are both right — Jones came up with the goofy idea (actually a constituent) but Bob Ney had the administrative power over the cafeterias to make it happen.
Oklahoma kiddo-Sooners visiting the Ducks this Saturday. #18 vs #16. Friendly wager for Blue State?
Ney expected to plead guilty to conspiracy and making false statements. Per John King on CNN just now.
Christy,
Sorry, I’m of no help to you on the photo software.
And, congrats on a big win on national teevee and more importantly getting an audience with the Big Dog. Looking forward to your insights on the meeting. Howbouthat for affirmation of your impact on the restoration of our democracy?
Also…would look very forward to your candidacy in ‘O8 as the unanimous nominee of the FDL party. Hell, if Joe can make his own shit up, so can we.
*ilson46201 at 103:
“it is extremely important that we have a Joe supporter outside of every polling place in Connecticut on November 7th educating every voter about where they can find the Senator’s name.”
I really don’t think this is legal. Based on my rudimentary understanding of Connecticut election law, campaign volunteers must stay a certain distance from polling places and cannot approach voters who are on their way to cast their ballots.
Lieberman’s efforts to “educate” voters at the polls is inappropriate and likely illegal. Any such “education” must occur before voters enter the vicinity of the polling place.
This needs to be monitored. Any experts on election law around? Should this be called to the attention of the appropriate authorities to make sure that they are apprised of the potential for interference at the polls? I don’t mean to overreact, but we need to be proactive about securing the election sites from undue interference from Lieberman’s supporters.
Bush gets an idea in his head and no matter how wrong it can’t escape. It just stays trapped there. He still thinks that torturing Abu Zubaida was a great idea because we got a ton of information from him. The problem was Zubaida was nuts and his information was garbage. What Bush doesn’t and will never understand is that even if Zubaida had been sane, his information would still have been garbage because that’s the quality of information that torture produces. And calling torture something else doesn’t change that.
But beyond this, Bush is genetically incapable of understanding that the harm that permitting torture does to our reputation in the world, to our Constitution, to our government, and to our own image of who and what we are is so much greater than any illusory information gained. It would never occur to him and even if explained it wouldn’t stick with him. He has his idea in his head and he can tolerate no others.
Also…would look very forward to your candidacy in ‘O8 as the unanimous nominee of the FDL party. Hell, if Joe can make his own shit up, so can we.
Shouldn’t it be the “FDL For Christy” party?
Curious at 107 — woo hoo, that’s two of my three count guesses:
“Rayne at 83 — it was “at least one” — so I’m going to say three counts — conspiracy, obstruction, false statements (or whatever its equivalent is for lying to Congress under oath). And I think he’s the chink in DeLay’s armor that has started the DeLay rumors. Guess we’ll see. *g*”
Am feeling psychic now (or maybe it’s just all that criminal courtroom time).
you want me to grab that domain too?
http://www.FDLforChristy.com ?
Christy, what are you trying to with the image? email it to me and I’ll photoshop it.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 117
Will anything come out of this or Abramoff in time to sink any more corrupt Republicans?
I have this sneaking feeling that indictments are being deferred so as not to influence the elections…
Eli takes snapshots — he might be helpful with photo editing software
Christy-for-president-or-whatever sounds great, but I think I might rather see her as chief prosecutor for the World Court trials in The Hague when defendants Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, et al. come up on the docket.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Eli at 116 — Oh man, I needed that giggle this evening. I mean, honestly, how full of yourself would you have to be to name your party after yourself? Because if you win, you are in your Party of One. What a lame-ass.
I’m retiring to the screened porch (65 with a light breeze)for a stogie and some grape juice.
Can I offer anyone a Sancho Panza Extra Fuerte (Connecticut wrapper [for Lamont]) and a glass of wine?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 123
Of course, in the case of the “FDL For Christy” party, it would actually be true…
T-
Count me in.
AirportCat @ 91
Ok President Jr. Without help right now define “is”. Tomorrow lets define “oath”
Twisted at 119 — I’m just trying to download it from the website to which it has been uploaded by Pres. Clinton’s photographer. And I can’t get my computer to play nice with the software of the photo site. I’ve been trying to pull three pictures off there all day today, and I cannot get it to work. And it is driving me insane. I want to show them to you guys and tell you about the meeting…but I can’t get it to work. Arrrrrrrgh. It’s torture, I tell you!
T- @ 124
I’m in, you’ll have to let me know so I can stock some good cigars for the next FDL happy hour.
*ilson46201 @ 121
Probably less helpful than you might think, but Photoshelter appears to be an online repository, not a software app.
I’d be happy to fetch it if you want to email me the link.
administrative power over the cafeterias???
Wow, for a second there I was worried about this do-nothing Congress.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 128
Do you mean it’s causing organ failure?
Eli at 130 — yep, and it won’t cough up the photos that I’m trying to download. Even though I have a valid passcode and everything. SIGH I’m so hopeless with tech shit. One of these days, I’m going to have to get one of you guys over to teach me how to do something other than just write on this damned machine.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 128
Any idea on keywords? I searched for “Clinton”, and it doesn’t look like any of those shots are there.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 134
Are you not finding them, or are you finding them but not able to download them?
Christy — I don’t know much about technical issues either. Have you tried basically clicking on the picture (essentially highlighting or marking it), then right-clicking your mouse and selecting “copy image?” So, instead of downloading it, you are just copying it in order to paste it on your desktop or file area. HTH
Eli at 135 — I don’t know. Sorry…I’m hopeless.
it is probably in a private collection. I use a similar site for my art on canvas stuff, and it has private collections that require a password
Christy, you could be getting hiccups from your computer/software, or your printer software, or your camera. I have a totally HP system, and find I have to use Microsoft’s software in order to download from my HP camera. Or scan from my HP printer/scanner.
Go figure.
You may have some kind of internal software war going on in your system.
Lesson learned–sometimes it’s better to regroup outside the margins and go with what works. Listen up, Bushie.
percy #95
It’s a slippery slope. These guys don’t think about consequences or about where anything is likely to lead. So they end up with Iraq and the Spanish Inquisition.
NYT (Shenon, 4 minutes ago) on Ney
No, I can find them. In fact, I have a link that takes me right to the thumbnails. And I can pull up an individual thumbnail that I want to download. And then I click on the download high resolution photo button. And then it starts to process for download…and that’s where I get stuck. I let it process for an hour and a half today at one point. Nada. Zip. Zero. Frustrating as hell. And it’s a fun snapshot of Jane…
Twisted Martini @ 139
That does appear to be an option.
Christy, what exactly is happening when you try to download the photos?
Why does Bill Clinton’s picture hate Christy’s computer?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 142
What browser are you using? Some sites are only designed with IE in mind, and stuff doesn’t work so well with other browsers.
I’m using Microsoft. It’s not the newest version — I’ve had this laptop for a couple of years now.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 142
Is there a jpg option? If so, try that instead of high resolution
Redd, note coming your way
Prof @ 93
I fucking hate Bill Frist. I want to sling a giant pot of boiling water into his smug, slimy face. And then dump another one on his crotch.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 147
That *could* be an issue, but I suspect not. I think IE 6 has been out for more than two years now, and IE 7 is still in beta.
I’d like to stick a white flag up Bill Frist’s ass.
So it’s IE. Strange.
On a Mac, you can usually just do an old fashioned drag and drop. Is that an option?
it’s kinda hard to surrender when you never defined what “winning” is in the first place…
Usually not, these photo sites can be real finicky. I use them alot for work.
Suggested Reid response to Frist: stop putting words in my mouth, Bill Frist. I won’t call you doctor since that seems to be in some dispute since you lied about your continuing education requirements.
And while you’re at it. Stop putting in gambling pork in legislation for our troops.
Gentlemen.
I’ve used a v-cutter on your box-rolled Madrid (54 ring 6 1/4″). This roll will pull easy and concentrate the flavors and oils toward the end of your smoke. You might feel gravity’s pull as the ember feels hot on your lips. Don’t feel like you must stand up, enjoy the sensation.
The first wine is a nice Sonoma chardonnay, La Crema. The red is a Sterling Cab from Napa.
I’ll put on a favorite CD of mine that I call “Protest Music.” I’m sure you’ll recognize the tunes.
Cheers.
TRex @ 151
After that, can we let the cats and the gorillas in the zoo have him???????????? Not. a. doctor. at. all.
AirportCat @ 133
No, it just feels like organ failure, which makes it A-OK with the BusCo definition of torture.
No, we’re going to raise strawmen and knock them down!
Re the comment several threads ago wondering why Lieberman still had support in CT, particularly among Dems.
A couple of things – Liarman is a known quantity – and he used to be one of the good guys. It’s not just that he was Senator for 18 years, he was a very good Attorney General for years before that, as well. And this is why you have groups like NARAL and Planned Parenthood still supporting him (much to their disgrace).
His transition to DINO has been fairly gradual and the Dem machine in CT, as well as the big newspapers, have basically covered his back. It’s very, very hard for some to look at him as a bad guy. However, for a majority of Dems, he has gone too far in a number of key areas – (not least of which is the pathetic way he has responded to his primary defeat and the obvious fact that he clearly does not care what happens to Diane Farrell and Chris Murphy (running for Nancy Johnson’s seat). In fact he has basically said they deserve to be defeated because they are now supporting Ned Lamont. Liarman has basically put the break on any momentum any of the Dem candidates had coming out of the primaries. Because – it’s all about Liarman – that’s all that counts.
Liarman has been using Rove’s playbook by defining Lamont – basically an unknown – in the worst possible light. And I don’t see a whole lot of pushback from the Lamont camp (for instance, not coming out against the appalling fact that Liarman was using an eight year old letter to call Lamont a dissembler was a wasted opportunity – IMHO).
I know Lamont is an honest, decent man who doesn’t want to sling mud. However the campaign HAS to start running some really hard hitting ads that underline all the ways that Liarman is screwing CT and the country and why it’s so important to get him out of office. No more Mr. Nice Guy – there are less than 8 weeks left. Liarman & Co have been whining even about Lamont’s campaign even though it has been anything but down & dirty. Might as well do it in reality and get some mileage out of it.
By the way – Carter’s denunciation of Liarman was huge. So when Big Dog, Hillary, Gore – and other party luminaries going to show up to affirm what a great choice Ned will be for all CT residents, whether Dem, Rep or Ind?
Sterling rocks, I’m sure it will complement the cigar well. I usually like a nice single malt with a smoke as well.
Cozumel @
11
This is a semi-clever trick. If you are worried your opponents are going to boycott someone, you boycott them too to muddy the waters, so that they don’t know which side to pander to.
–MarkusQ
My new disclaimer/disclosure statement: I am a registered Republican, but I am also an American. I think Bush is an awful president, and hope that the Democrats take both houses of congress this fall. No one is paying me for anything even remotely connected to politics. I do not troll.
Christy Hardin Smith @
148
Does your laptop have Windows XP with service pack 2 installed? If so, you have the latest version of Internet Explorer.
T- @ 158
Sterling Cab? Wowie. Sounds jammy.
Damn Christy, how’d they let Maryland score 24 pts, unless it was in scrub time?
Redd, Jane and Howie,
Just sent you an e-mail re Diane Benson. Her campaign against Don Young – the only Republican who can neatly tie together ties with Jack Abramoff, Tom DeLay and the FBI probe of oil support and brownbag political contributor Veco here in Alaska – may be about to turn around.
Photoshelter does not recommend any IE older than 6, and the current release of Firefox is their browser of choice.
*ilson46201 @ 118
*ilson, populate the new jewel in your crown with that photo of Christy with VP candidate Jane, and the Big Dog campaigning with them.
you RTFM, huh Eli?
Jon pokes dubya and matt in the face. LOL.
Twisted Martini @ 170
When in doubt…
Eli @
173
You’re a God.
Oh, and new tread.
moe99 @ 100
Lamont took a week off after the primary – that’s it. He has been campaigning all around CT every day, every week since then. He has been campaigning with the other CT Dem candidates, going to Washington, participating in lots of meet & greets and fundraisers, etc. I personally have seen him at various events – including Labor Day – every week since mid-September.
Campaigns retool and recalibrate from primary to general. His campaign has been going through the transition of incorporating the CT Dem infrastructure – and well as coordinating with national Dem assistance.
That being said – winning over Independents, Republicans and reluctant Dems is an uphill battle – particularly when your opponent is saying a vote for you is like a vote for Bin Laden. Who’s saying it will be a cake walk? No one I know. In fact, Lamont supporters are busy “redoubling” their primary efforts.
Big by-election in Ontario today. The riding is on the west side of downtown Toronto, recently vacated by a candidate for leader of the federal Liberals. He had dominated the riding for 3 or 4 elections, gathering up to 60% of the electorate in a three or four party system.
The Libs ran a city councillor, the Conservatives ran former city councillor, the Greens ran their party leader, and the New Democrats (social democrats) ran a popular United Church minister. The Libs panicked and went negative. The NDP won with 40%.
The polls closed at 8. All the results were in before 9, AND THE BALLOTS WERE PAPER!
Here’s the live blogging.
Time to end Diebold’s hegemony over elections.
neurophius @
122
Appearing before one of my personal heroes, Louise Arbour.
TeddySanFran @ 84
It’s fundamentally an admission that Bushco will engage, with full knowledge and no shame, in the worst kinds of relativism. You know…the kinds that were pioneered by Vlad the Impaler, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, and Pol Pot.
Allison @177
The byelection was in my riding.
The NDP really worked at GOTV. From the Liberals I didn’t get one visit, though I did get one scurrilous screed in my mailbox. I’ve never seen one before.
Lots of people here did not like the “American” style of politics.
The Cons weren’t really in it at all, just spoilers for the Liberal vote (the Lib candidate will keep her seat on city council).
There is a big Polish/Ukranian ethnic vote here that trends conservative.
The Greens ran the provincial leader who taught my kids design technology.
The election won’t change the balance of power so to call it a big election is not really true.
But hopefully it will let the Liberal provincial government know not to swing right to get keep power.
The former member of the riding is Gerard Kennedy, IMO a great guy. We could do worse than have him as PM.
Joe may not need a ground game if he continues to lead by 10 points! The average of the last 5 polls shows:
http://www.pollster.com/polls/…..enate_race
1. Lamont has been stagnant at about 40% for about 1 month, since the primary.
2. Lieberman’s average is about 48-51% in the last 5 polls.
I don’t know how this is happening except that Lieberman is being supported by over 90% of Republicans, while getting about 30% of Democrats, while Lamont gets only 65% of Democrats.
Lamont needs desparately to start turning this around, and soon, because all the D.C. Dems will start hedging their bets by switching to Lieberman if he appears to be winning. They don’t want him going off to Republicans in a huff (which he will anyway if he gets the chance)!
This will be seen as a big win for the money elite if Joe pulls it off. That’s horrible news for democracy of course.
There’s time to change things, but Lamont needs to start moving right now. He hasn’t capitalized on is primary win at all and his numbers have been flat for a month.
There’s only so much a ground game can make up. Asking your volunteers to turn out voters to overcome a 10% deficit is asking a LOT.
I really don’t know what voters are thinking, because Joe has only put his foot firmly in his mouth every chance he gets, e.g. forcing his way into the Newton parade when he was politely told he wasn’t wanted. How does that look?
This is all great, only all the polling data is not looking very good at all. Better get those ads out, and fast.
Nice post. Keep ‘em coming.
percy @ 14
Isn’t that the same firm who’s president just went to jail for fraud becauase they were making up results to please their clients?
Also if this is an internal poll it was leaked by the Liberman camp and I wouldn’t trust to tell me the time of day.
Thank you Jane!
A Diary over at Kos reports that the latest Rasmussen is in for CT – and it is good news for Lamont after those other (questionable) polls showing him behind by double digits. I have cut and pasted the diary below:
Rasmussen has just come out with a new poll behind the subscription wall, but since these polls are put out there
i figure it`s ok to give the results.
Rasmussen has this race a dead heat
LIEBERMAN 45
LAMONT 43
Now all other polls show Lieberman with a double digit lead
so it`s a question who to believe. I think Rasmussen has a pretty good record with state polls.
also of interest TESTER 52
BURNS 43
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..8291/46398